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Speaker 4: It's the Drive live for Radio Row at the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six Combine, West Shuler and Matt Williamson with you

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Speaker 4: for the next three hours. And we've got a heavy

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Speaker 4: hitter with us here to begin. Greg Sell, of course

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Speaker 4: of NFL films, so.

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Speaker 2: Nice a first and combine history, so nice for having

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Speaker 2: them on to us. Exactly. I never had to repeat

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Speaker 2: through guests before, but this is my favorite one. Let's

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 3: So what do you I was not part of the

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Speaker 3: first conversation.

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Speaker 2: The Yeah, we talked about all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 3: You tell me where you want to go with this one.

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Speaker 2: I really wanted to focus on some league wide trends

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Speaker 2: with you, Greg, Okay, I know that you're you're so

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Speaker 2: dialed in with you know, up to date with the league,

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Speaker 2: and there's one both sides of the ball. But let's

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Speaker 2: start with a real increase which really effect was a

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Speaker 2: Steeler thing too, that from past year in thirteen personnel.

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Speaker 2: You know, like, oh yeah mc veigh and the Rams,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's such chameleons there and they've changed year

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Speaker 2: after year. What advantages does that present? And do you

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Speaker 2: see that sticking around the league.

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Speaker 4: For a while.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's funny that the Rams through the

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Speaker 5: first five games of the season did not play one

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Speaker 5: snap of thirteen personnel, and then week six they started,

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Speaker 5: and then there were games where they would play forty

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Speaker 5: to fifty snaps of thirteen personnel.

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Speaker 2: Even with two great receivers on the team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and when they started playing thirteen personnel, believe it

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Speaker 5: or not, the only wide receiver on the field was

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Speaker 5: DeVante Adams, not Pooka na Cout. Not that DeVante Adams

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Speaker 5: is a bad player, right, but it wasn't Puka.

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Speaker 2: And then they ucas still almost right, right, And of course.

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Speaker 5: Then you know DeVante got hurt in miss games and

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Speaker 5: Puca started playing in the thirteen personnel as the only receiver.

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Speaker 5: But you know, obviously the first thing it does is

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Speaker 5: it forces the defense to decide how they want to

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Speaker 5: think as a general thing, oh, thirteen personnel, three tight ends,

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Speaker 5: you know, seven bigger people. Whether you play a five

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Speaker 5: seven bigger people. But if you have the right mix

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Speaker 5: Here's their first back by they tryed out. Yeah, so

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Speaker 5: you know, so obviously, as I said, it starts with

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Speaker 5: because now there are formations that the Rams could use

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Speaker 5: variants let's use that term. Coaches like to use that

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Speaker 2: Get, especially if you have a combination of McVay and

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Speaker 5: So you know, the question is does that become a

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Speaker 5: it just a case of you know, certain teams. You know, look,

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Speaker 5: the Steelers did some of it, but it's not as

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Speaker 2: I thought the Bills were really interesting becauselast year they

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Speaker 5: Right, right right, So yeah, no, it's it's really you

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Speaker 5: you definite advantages if you have the right trio of

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Speaker 2: So going back, you know the last twenty years, college

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Speaker 2: it creates a new gap, coming through the B gap

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Speaker 5: You're forcing linebackers who, as you say, because that's what

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Speaker 5: the college game is giving the NFL, you know, their

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Speaker 5: one this year in Sunny Styles who's big. I'm sure

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Speaker 5: Just haven't gotten to the linebackers yet, so I don't

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Speaker 2: That was going to bring up at that point, because.

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Speaker 5: They're not going to be thirty of those guys. But

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Speaker 5: you know, linebackers have to be able to stack in shed.

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Speaker 5: They have to be able to use their hands to

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Speaker 2: Don't really do that, and they're small, yeah, and they're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's you know, we'll see about the you know,

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Speaker 5: it all factors into what you said, Matt. With the

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Speaker 5: run game, you know, are we're going to see more

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Speaker 2: We're definitely seeing heavier personnel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now that we know what we're seeing for sure,

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Speaker 5: So well, you know, we'll see if we end up

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Speaker 5: seeing more run game or not.

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Speaker 2: You know this better than I, but it seems like

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Speaker 2: the biggest goal and it's easier said than done. Seattle

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Speaker 2: was the master of it. But if I can I

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Speaker 2: always use the NBA equivalent if I can play defense

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Speaker 2: against big people or a bunch of guards with the

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Speaker 2: same starting five, right, right, I don't have the substitute.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Seattle used a lot of different people,

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Speaker 5: These different people up front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they laid a rotation.

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Speaker 5: Essentially, they played big nickel and dime. That's what they

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Speaker 2: They were never in base hardly hardly ever, Right, So

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Speaker 2: do you have to have great defensive tackles first and

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Speaker 5: The defensive tackles come in is more a function of

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Speaker 5: the increase in you know, sort of quarters or too high. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: because what happens there you're you're you do not have

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Speaker 5: So now you're losing a gap. So now you're defensive tackles.

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Speaker 5: play what coaches called gap and a half. It's not

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Speaker 5: Able to play not just one gap but then half gap.

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Speaker 5: And if both do that, then you they take care

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Speaker 5: So you know, they so detached.

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Speaker 2: I don't quite understand is how they do that from

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Speaker 5: That's yeah. I don't know that for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how they coach that.

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Speaker 5: That's a coaching thing. I don't know that for sure.

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Speaker 5: But I mean you look at the two teams in

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Speaker 2: So I think they're more important than they have been. Well,

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Speaker 5: If I think teams continue to play more of that

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Speaker 5: because when you're playing single high, there's just too many voids,

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Speaker 5: and the seams in particular can be a problem. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, everything sort of there's a domino effect with everything.

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Speaker 5: And then, of course all this is cyclical. We'll see

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of the best of the best.

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Speaker 3: Chris, thanks for taking the time brother.

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Speaker 4: How we feel this is this is always the first

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of networking going on, but you know,

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Speaker 6: when the process is really starting to kick off. You've

439
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 6: got Pro Day's coming up after this, you got the

440
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 6: pre draft visits that will come up.

441
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 7: But it's a fun week here for sure.

442
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: You mentioned Harmon, So let's just start with the D line. Yeah.

443
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 2: Everyone always talks about is Rogers coming back, but no

444
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 2: one imagines his cam coming back. I mean, I'm going

445
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: to operate under the assumption you get at least one

446
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 2: more year out of them. But do you still think

447
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 2: a nose tackle type should be somewhere in the mix here?

448
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,360
Speaker 2: As an addition?

449
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 7: It could be.

450
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

451
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 6: I think the one thing that's dangerous about the draft

452
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 6: regardless of the position, but especially a position like a

453
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 6: I don't want to call it a niche position, but

454
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 6: it's not a common one in today's NFL, and.

455
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 2: I don't need it's will Ford, right, you know? But

456
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: hard Rave?

457
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'd be nice. But the one thing you don't

458
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 6: ever do in the draft is reach for a position

459
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 6: just to address a need. That's what free agencies or

460
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 6: you prefer to do that. The draft is especially earlier

461
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 6: on in the draft, it's meant to look at These

462
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 6: are the type of players we want a draft to like,

463
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 6: impact the franchise regard almost almost regardless of position. Of course,

464
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 6: you have a perfect world. Yeah, but I think you

465
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 6: definitely turn over more stones. Possibly It'll be interesting to

466
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 6: see what Mike McCarthy, Patrick Graham, what those guys want

467
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 6: to do with me, maybe Keanu Betton, who's been the

468
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 6: nose tackle, how they feel about Ya Black and and

469
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 6: you know anybody else in particular. But I don't think

470
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 6: you completely ignore nose tackle.

471
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah this week either, I prefer to do it in

472
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: the draft. And I'm excited to watch these guys, Yeah,

473
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: work out to figure out which ones I like better.

474
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 2: But the free agency big body did intere Your guys

475
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: don't look real exciting to me.

476
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 4: Chris uh pick twenty one, Like, we've talked a lot

477
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: about about trenches, We've talked a lot about wide receivers.

478
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 4: What's what's your vibe? You know on the quarterback possibility.

479
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 4: I know you report the Steelers haven't met with Tyson,

480
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 4: and I don't think that is shocking to anybody. But

481
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 4: but now we know that that that's the case. Uh,

482
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 4: exactly right, exactly right, because that's what you're here to do.

483
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 6: Almost a formality, that's the point of breaking news, but

484
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 6: it's really not breaking.

485
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 4: That's why we're all here in Indianapolis is to have

486
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 4: these conversations. Does that feel like a a I mean

487
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: real possibility. That's it's a very broad way to label it.

488
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 4: But is it Is it not obviously a favorite in

489
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 4: the clubhouse, but is it something that you think is

490
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: is a real possibility?

491
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 6: Really big variable on that is, well, how did that

492
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 6: interview go? Sure, Ma, that's that's something else entirely, and

493
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 6: that's just the first step in it. If they meet

494
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 6: with him again at the Alabama Pro day and like

495
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 6: have dinner with him, and then they bring him in

496
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 6: for a pre draft visit and they hit the hatch, Yeah,

497
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 6: then maybe, maybe, just maybe it's a possibility.

498
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 7: I think it's hard to say definitively at this point.

499
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 6: There's a lot to like, you know, when it comes

500
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 6: to competitive drive, when it comes to uh a lot

501
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 6: of other things. He just he doesn't have that one

502
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 6: trait where it's just you go Google Gaga over it.

503
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 7: Just you know, like he doesn't have that elite arm,

504
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 7: he doesn't have the elite size, he doesn't have that.

505
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 6: He's not the most dynamic, mobile, dual threat type of guy.

506
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 6: So there's gotta be something between the years that really,

507
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 6: you know, gets the Steelers pumping if that's a legitimate

508
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 6: possibility twenty one, Because I've operated under the informed opinion

509
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 6: that the next time they take a quarterback in the

510
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 6: first round, it's not gonna be just a guy.

511
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 7: It's gonna be a guy that they really really believe

512
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 7: is our an next franchise quarterback.

513
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to me, I'm not sure if Simpson is

514
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: a strong enough guy.

515
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 7: I have my doubts on that.

516
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 6: But that's why I'm curious, how did that, how did

517
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 6: that interview go? And how does it go from here?

518
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 6: Because even if he knocked it out of the park

519
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 6: in this interview, what if it doesn't go quite as

520
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 6: well if they meet with him again at the pro

521
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 6: day or pre draft visit or whatever, and maybe just

522
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 6: maybe they like them a lot. But when you get

523
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 6: to twenty one overall, or you get to a certain

524
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 6: spot in the first round where they were considering trading

525
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 6: up or anything like that, there's another player that they've

526
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 6: already met with that they are head over heels in

527
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 6: love with U.

528
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 7: It's like, you know what, we'd rather.

529
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 2: Have that k Yeah, I totally get it. Sticking with quarterbacks,

530
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: most people think this part of the process will really

531
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: favor Simpson. You know, he's a coach's son, should do

532
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: really well in interviews, on the board, et cetera. I've

533
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 2: never met him, but that's just what you read and

534
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: what you hear. Are there any other mid round dart

535
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: throws at that position? I bring up Cole Payton a lot,

536
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: and I bring up Drew all Or a lot. Is

537
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: there any that those guys interest you or would you

538
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: not even bother? Sorry Robinson?

539
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, Drew Aller has you know, talked about the traits.

540
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 7: Drew Aller has some of the traits.

541
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 6: He's got the size, he's got the arm. When you

542
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 6: looked at some of the concerns with him that those

543
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 6: are usually things coaches run to and they like to embrace.

544
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 6: You know, if there are are mechanical issues when it

545
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 6: comes to footwork or upper body and lower body being disconnected,

546
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 6: things like that leading to some some wild throws that

547
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 6: you should never be missing.

548
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 7: Coaches aren't afraid of that, at least they shouldn't be.

549
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: All these guys will have their own personal quarterback guy.

550
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 6: Part too is that, and then how does that dynamic

551
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 6: work between Mike McCarthy and those quarterback guys, because who

552
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 6: knows how it works between Mike Tomlin and the and

553
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 6: those guys, because every quarterback got their own got their

554
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 6: own half.

555
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 7: They work with you.

556
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: That's where Allen changed things. It wasn't because of the bills.

557
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but then but then again it's I'm curious

558
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 6: to see going forward.

559
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 7: How does Mike McCarthy embrace that.

560
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 6: How does he incorporate that, uh as as part of

561
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 6: not just who they might draft. But Will Howard is

562
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 6: another guy lack how how how is that going to work?

563
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 7: So Drew Awler is a guy.

564
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 6: Who's who's interesting to me, but it's mainly because he

565
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 6: has those traits. You know what when you look at

566
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 6: like just the art, like if you just turn on yeah,

567
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 6: if you turn on the Big Ten Championship against Oregon,

568
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 6: you see the throw that he made on fourth and

569
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 6: ten where he's getting pulled by a defensive tackle and

570
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 6: he just whips it and it's it's just a seed

571
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 6: to the end zone between two defenders.

572
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 7: You're like, I want that.

573
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: I take that.

574
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want that, and I.

575
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 2: At least have seen it in it. I know that

576
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: it's possible. Yeah.

577
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's interesting to me.

578
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 6: And if you can get that in the third round potentially,

579
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 6: or even late in the second.

580
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: Round, I'm I'm interested.

581
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm interested in it.

582
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

583
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: Defensive backs and tight ends at the podium today. Correct,

584
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 4: it feels like the big news m dermaud McCoy not

585
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: going to work out, correct, not after missing all last season.

586
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: I mean he's thirteen months removed from that ACL injury.

587
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 4: But that that's a that's a big that throws a

588
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 4: big wrench into this process.

589
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

590
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 5: Uh.

591
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 6: He did meet with the Steelers though, so you can

592
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 6: at least get the meeting with him. You can, you know,

593
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 6: just pick his brain, you can do all the things

594
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 6: you do in the meeting with him. That's interesting at least. Yeah,

595
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 6: you'd like to see, you know, you'd like to see

596
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 6: the measurables. You'd like to see, you know, potentially forty

597
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 6: yard dash, you know, whatever whatever else he's doing, you

598
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 6: want to see him do some things after, you know,

599
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 6: missing an entire season. But man, it's so tantalizing. And

600
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 6: the thing that really sucks about.

601
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 7: Like these these these.

602
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 6: Guys that you know are coming off of injuries, is

603
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 6: they're such wild cards in the draft because when you

604
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 6: pure town alone, it's like the you know, Jordan Tyson conversation.

605
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 6: Pure Town alone, you take injuries out of it. Tyson's

606
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 6: top ten pick, but you have to include the injury factor.

607
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 6: And the same thing with with Jamon McCoy two. So

608
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 6: it's interesting and I'm curious to see, you know, if

609
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 6: the Steelers continue to court him throughout the rest of

610
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 6: this process.

611
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: So, speaking of defensive acts, what are your thoughts or

612
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: hunches of what what Jalen Ramsey's future is here. I

613
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: know they could open up a lot of capspace if

614
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: they let them go. They have a lot of cap space.

615
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: When no more was at the podium, it didn't I

616
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: didn't get the hunch that that was something they were

617
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: interested in doing.

618
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 6: From what I've been told and what I've reported, I

619
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 6: highly doubt he's being cut.

620
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's kind of what we've been saying

621
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: the last few days too. But do you think he's

622
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: a free safety or do you think he's a slot

623
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: corner because that changes things is a lot in terms

624
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: of what I mean the safety room and be barren.

625
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would be.

626
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 6: And I think that's why when you look at you know,

627
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 6: the you know, you go to the podium sessions today

628
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 6: with the corners and especially the safeties.

629
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 7: They've been meeting with safeties.

630
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: And they're gonna be a really good safety draft.

631
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're gonna meet with players of all positions,

632
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 6: but whenever, there's not a.

633
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 7: Lot of safeties in the in the class.

634
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 6: So if they're meeting with a high percentage of that position,

635
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 6: that probably is yeah, And that also might mean that

636
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 6: they don't want to necessarily put Ramsey in like one spot.

637
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 6: Like overall, I my hunch right now is that primarily

638
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 6: he could be your slot corner, but then depending on

639
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 6: what happens in free agency or in the draft in

640
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 6: terms of like if you get a Jermond McCoy at

641
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 6: twenty one overall something like that, can he be your

642
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 6: outside corner when you're in base you know where you

643
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 6: know you're not gonna be in base that often, so

644
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 6: you don't have Ramsey out there a lot. But I

645
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 6: think slot corners probably where I'm leaning for it right now.

646
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 6: But free safety would not surprise me either.

647
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: It's funny, Rob and I almost touched on this, then

648
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: me to go to break and then we got a

649
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: guest and we never end up talking about it. But

650
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't talk about with you too if Ramsey. You know,

651
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: last year there was three corners and two safeties. Thornhill

652
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: was one, Sleigh was one. Neither one really worked out,

653
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: but we would often talk about, Okay, that's your nickel,

654
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, with with Ramsey, Porter and Elliott. Okay, that's easy,

655
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: but what about when there's four? Are they gonna take Thorntoll.

656
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 5: Off the field?

657
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: Or are they gonna take Sleigh off the field in

658
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: this case?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, well, Ramsey should never leave

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Speaker 2: the field. Now I can make a scenario where I

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Speaker 2: don't want Ramsey ever being an outside corner. So he's

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Speaker 2: either going to be a slot or free And is

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Speaker 2: he do you want to move him back and forth

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Speaker 2: doing that all the time or does he come off

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Speaker 2: the field and base? I mean, I just I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's an answer, but I think it's just an

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Speaker 2: angle we need to talk about.

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Speaker 6: I think I think it's something that they really have

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Speaker 6: to work through, and free agency in the draft are

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Speaker 6: going to dictate that, of course. Yeah, well, if you

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Speaker 6: bring back James Pierre, who would you rather have on

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Speaker 6: the outside.

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Speaker 7: Would you rather have Ramsy or Pierre?

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Speaker 2: I think Pierre there's a really there's a really good

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Speaker 2: in the contract will probably tell us the answer.

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Speaker 6: To that, right, Yeah, and so but if they if

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Speaker 6: they're not able to bring back Pierre, and then that

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Speaker 6: makes corner more of a need in the draft, then

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Speaker 6: do you make.

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Speaker 2: A second round pick?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's and it depends on how you take because

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Speaker 6: there are a few corners in this draft that are

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Speaker 6: going to be able to come starters pretty quickly, whether

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Speaker 6: it be Day one or maybe not, like, you know,

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Speaker 6: the first game of the season, but maybe by the

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Speaker 6: time October turns into November, then okay, yeah they're good

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Speaker 6: enough to start or you know, whatever it is. It's

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Speaker 6: it's a it's an interesting conversation that's got to continue

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Speaker 6: to happen because I don't think that they've just completely like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: we're sold on Ramsey being right here.

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Speaker 7: It's an interesting wild card in this.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think one of the things that Omar

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Speaker 6: Cohn's always done is he's just brought in as many

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Speaker 6: good players as he possibly can and then we'll just figure.

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Speaker 7: It out later.

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Speaker 2: And his versatility helps do it really does, Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: really does.

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Speaker 4: Chris Alec DK Pittsburgh Sports kind enough to join us

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Speaker 4: here live on Radio Row inside the Indiana Convention Center,

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Speaker 4: right in the middle of a busy, busy week in

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Speaker 4: a busy day.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for taking the time as always.

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Speaker 7: Dude, of course, dude, thanks for having guys.

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Speaker 4: You know you're one of our favorites and we will

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Speaker 4: certainly be keeping in touch here all throughout this offseason process.

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Speaker 4: Got to get to our last break here of the

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Speaker 4: two o'clock hour.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back, we'll get into some news of the day.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk.

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Speaker 4: We got to talk about some measurements that we got

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Speaker 4: today for some of these defensive linemen getting ready for

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Speaker 4: on field stuff. This evening plenty to get you as

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Speaker 4: we roll along here. What you Matt Williamson. It is

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Speaker 4: the Drive Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is live covera chup that twenty twenty six NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Audio Network.

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Speaker 4: Back inside the Indiana Convention Center, West Ruler Matt Williamson special.

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Speaker 3: On location edition of The Drive.

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Speaker 4: As we continue to roll along here throughout the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six NFL Scouting Combine, this will be our last

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Speaker 4: three hour edition of The Drive. Man, Oh, it'll be

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Speaker 4: a special start time tomorrow because Friday's a busy day.

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Speaker 4: We do all of our radio stuff and then you know,

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Speaker 4: we got about a five and a half six hour

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Speaker 4: drive to get us all back home.

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Speaker 3: Into the station and our houses and everything.

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Speaker 7: So we pack all this stuff up.

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Speaker 3: We sure do you know this.

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Speaker 4: We love this TV guy, all right, he's a good dude,

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Speaker 4: But man, did he bring a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot more travel light. We've got a

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Speaker 3: lot more stuff to pack up this time. I tell

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Speaker 3: you what.

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Speaker 4: So we'll have a little bit earlier edition of the Drive.

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Speaker 4: The Drive will be uh less of an afternoon drive

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Speaker 4: and more of a midday show. Tomorrow we'll be on

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Speaker 4: from noon to two, you and I and we'll have

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Speaker 4: run right and we'll have we'll have Rob King with

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Speaker 4: us throughout throughout the show as well. So we've been

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Speaker 4: nine to five all week. Just nine to two tomorrow,

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Speaker 4: but still another great day of coverage on the Friday.

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Speaker 3: To get us up out of here.

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Speaker 4: We'll have some on field stuff to talk about, some

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Speaker 4: more measurements to talk about.

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Speaker 2: I want to get a guest or too, probably lined

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Speaker 2: up too for tomorrow, a special guest. I just want

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Speaker 2: want to guarantee anything, but I think there's a good chance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So so don't don't spill the beans, is what.

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Speaker 2: You're telling you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get people excited and then not being

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Speaker 2: able to come through like.

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Speaker 3: Our chance, Matt, you always delivered.

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Speaker 2: We got a couple of maybe a couple lined.

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Speaker 3: Up, maybe a couple of fun ones.

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Speaker 4: Uh before we get out of here today and certainly

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Speaker 4: uh tomorrow, Matt. Some news of the day quickly before

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Speaker 4: we get into some measurements, not as much as there

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Speaker 4: has been.

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Speaker 3: The last trade though, wasn't there?

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Speaker 2: Did you see that? I think the Titans and Jets

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Speaker 2: made a defensive line trade. I only saw the blurbro

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Speaker 2: care sweat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jermaine Johnson to the Titans for Cavandre Sweat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't see that coming because these are two

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Speaker 2: young players. Sweat really was good for the Titans, next

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Speaker 2: to next to Simmons, and I can understand why the

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Speaker 2: Jets would be very interested in him. They start getting

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Speaker 2: foundational building blocks on that team. And Johnson, I think

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Speaker 2: it's his fifth year option year, and he was kind

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Speaker 2: of a tough one because he was coming on like

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Speaker 2: Gangbusters as a former late first round pick. Was a

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Speaker 2: straight up or are there any picks involved?

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Speaker 3: Trying to find out here?

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Speaker 2: It looks I don't know who would be more valuable

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Speaker 2: than the other. I think they'd be pretty darn close.

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Speaker 3: Player for player trade.

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Speaker 2: Of course, so the Titans have cap space and they

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Speaker 2: had a need as a four to three end and

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Speaker 2: Johnson fits that need. But they'd give up something quite substantial,

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Speaker 2: you know, a big important defensive tackle on a rookie deal,

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Speaker 2: which you don't you hate getting rid of. I wonder

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Speaker 2: now I think about it. I mean, ruben Bain had

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Speaker 2: short arms. Did that make the Titans go, boy? We

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Speaker 2: really liked him and we were thinking about drinking it

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Speaker 2: DLFT them at six, while don't we trade for a

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Speaker 2: defensive end instead? I don't know. I mean, I'm really

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Speaker 2: looking into things here. But I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: Jets were going to pick up his fifth year option

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Speaker 2: or not. I don't know that they would extend him

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Speaker 2: because they do have Will McDonald who's a really good

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Speaker 2: edge pass rusher as well. But my biggest takeaway is

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Speaker 2: I think this really implies Yesterday rvel Re said I

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Speaker 2: want to be an edge rusher. Jets pick a two, like,

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Speaker 2: we'll probably just take our best guy. We had an

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Speaker 2: edge rusher's spare let's turn Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's a good reading of the tea leaves, And I said.

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Speaker 2: You can start to figure out how they think.

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Speaker 4: If we've suddenly got a spare edge rusher, let's let's

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Speaker 4: turn that into a defensive that's going to be cost

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Speaker 4: controlled exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I really understand from a Jets perspective. I just wonder.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the Titans detackled depth enough to be like,

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Speaker 2: maybe they have a fifth round pick. I don't know

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Speaker 2: about that. They're they're happy with, you know, something like that,

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Speaker 2: or they they have a lot they still have a

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Speaker 2: lot of capspase too. Maybe they have a guy lined up.

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Speaker 2: But to me, it's for them, it's almost like we

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Speaker 2: we created a need to fill a need as opposed

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Speaker 2: to the Jets, it makes more sense. Here's an easier answer.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, uh, moving and shaking here.

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Speaker 4: That trade will it's a fun trade now, won't be

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Speaker 4: processed until the start of the new league year on

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Speaker 4: March eleventh. But all all you know, agreed to according

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Speaker 4: and Tremaine Johnson even took to his social media accounts

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Speaker 4: to you know, to thank the Jets for for the

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Speaker 4: last four years. So it seems like all they got

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Speaker 4: to do is just wait for that thing to become

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Speaker 4: officially official. But sounds like it's about as close to

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Speaker 4: that as it could be at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Matt, we talked a little bit yesterday about Anthony richardson

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Speaker 4: Colts Cornerback. We had Matt Taylor on of course yesterday

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Speaker 4: the Voice of the Colts. You can go back and

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Speaker 4: find that on our YouTube page and your various podcast

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Speaker 4: channels as well.

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Speaker 2: I joined them today too, made a good chat on

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Speaker 2: their what they want to ask you about scouting background stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked a lot about like what the

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Speaker 2: fifteen minute interviews are like.

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Speaker 3: We'd finished Steelers specifically, not.

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Speaker 2: Really, and we finished things up with you know, how

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Speaker 2: would you address the Colts needs. I didn't bring up

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Speaker 2: Pittman or richards We didn't know the Richardson news at

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Speaker 2: the time, but it was a lot of how things

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Speaker 2: go here, you know, and your combine experience and things

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 4: Well, Anthony Richard has been given permission to seek a

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Speaker 4: trade given his uncertain future here in Indianapolis. This is

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Speaker 4: a similar We just talked about this, I think it

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00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: was two days ago with your made Edmonds and the

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Speaker 4: Buffalo Bears. The given permission to seek a trade agreement.

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Speaker 2: Which often is like in the Edmunds case, is different

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Speaker 2: than this because Edmonds is big money. That's either, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're probably gonna cut you. So if you want to

848
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Speaker 2: go get us a six or seventh tround pick in return,

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Speaker 2: would rather have that and you can fit me facilitated.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you can go to the team you want and

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00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: they have a lot of cap space and they don't

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Speaker 2: mind to pick up. But we can't afford you Richardson.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not give a Matt Taylor a hard time

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Speaker 2: because I'm guilty of this. You're guilty of this, pursue us,

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Speaker 2: guilty of this, DoLS guilty of this when you're so

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Speaker 2: focused on one team I brought up Richardson to him

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Speaker 2: yesterday and he kind of thought, well, you got to

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Speaker 2: develop them, you got to keep him. And I've kind

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Speaker 2: of thought all along, like, I don't think he's going

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Speaker 2: to be back. You know, it's a big profile guy.

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00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Daniel Jones's team. I don't need the distraction.

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Speaker 2: So I always thought somebody might give you less than

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Speaker 2: you think a mid round pick for him, and maybe

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Speaker 2: he can, you know, be a reclamation project for the

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Speaker 2: Eagles behind Hurts if they trade McKee or whatever.

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Speaker 4: That's the You don't go out and get him right

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Speaker 4: now to be your guy this year, and you go

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Speaker 4: out and get him to stash him like you've talked

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Speaker 4: a little bit about, you know, let him sit behind

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Speaker 4: one of these guys for a year and read reset.

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Speaker 3: Go to QB rehab a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit exactly. Go to some good team that doesn't

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Speaker 2: just take the expectations off my plate. Really good, well

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Speaker 2: off you know, structured offense, offensive minded coach, you know

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Speaker 2: that type of thing I can just sit and learn.

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Speaker 2: You know the best places to do that are like

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Speaker 2: San Francisco and the Rams. You know, things like that.

878
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: People just do it under Sean Payton a lot like

879
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: when James Winston's career got kind of funky. Took a

880
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: lot less money to just go sit behind Drew Brees. Great,

881
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, smart, go sit behind Mahomes or maybe that's

882
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: even a good spot because Mahomes might not be ready

883
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: to start the season, you know, I mean somewhere that's

884
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: you're not going to threaten the Josh Allen be his

885
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: backup or something like that.

886
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: And a year from a mile, yeah, following Milake Willis's footsteps.

887
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: Chances are you're gonna stay healthy finally, you know, and

888
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: maybe put out some great preseason game tape, or.

889
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: Maybe you get in for a game or two and

890
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: do well, yeah, right.

891
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: Right right, and and you just kind of take some

892
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: of the stress off of you. So I don't think

893
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: his story's written yet, But I never know.

894
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: One of those guys who's still a puppy.

895
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: And he's so young and he's so talented. It's just

896
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: stay on the field. And what's crazy is when you

897
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: drafted him, you know he needs a lot of work,

898
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: but you can't give it to him because you can't

899
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: get on the field, you know, right.

900
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: And that's always the conundrum, right, of particularly you could

901
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: say that I think about any positions, yeah, yeah, but

902
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 4: especially quarterback because it's not it's not rotational, it's it's

903
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: like it's similar. Maybe the offensive line is maybe the

904
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: only other position group that's as that guy doesn't come

905
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: off the field, So it's not a third defensive lineman

906
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: that's gonna get ten snaps a game and you can

907
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: kind of hold their hand training wheels however you want

908
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: to describe it.

909
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: Or you can have a wide receiver that's super fast

910
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: that isn't a developed route runner, but he could run

911
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: out go out there and run eight go routes for you. Okay,

912
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: at least you're in a stadium, as Tomlin lace to say,

913
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: and then next time you.

914
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: Can put them on there's a little bit more on

915
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: this place.

916
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 4: You can't get that with quarterbacks. It's like it's like

917
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 4: all or nothing. So what's I mean, like, what's the

918
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 4: best approach in your mind when you have a guy

919
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: like that I want all preseason in training camp.

920
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's so big and he's so strong, and

921
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: he's so athletic. I mean, at least he's your tush

922
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: push guy or depending maybe I mean if it's behind Mahomes,

923
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: then you're never gonna take them off the field, obviously,

924
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: But I mean, if it's like Lamar's rookie year with Flacco,

925
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 2: you have a package for him or something along those

926
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: lines you'd like to be able to utilize on Taysom

927
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: Hill roll.

928
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 5: Sure.

929
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that's kind of the one cheat code

930
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: to get those quarterbacks feet wet a little bit.

931
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: So if you're just a pocket passer, you can't even

932
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: do those things. Sure, you know, right.

933
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: It's also though, and you know, you know this works

934
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: better than me. If he does go to one of

935
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: these places where he's behind a Stafford or a Josh

936
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: Allen or a clear established Unicorn Dynamite franchise quarterback, they

937
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 4: don't want to take those guys off the field.

938
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: And what's crazy and more I think too, and then

939
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: you're not gonna take those guys off the field, right.

940
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: The only time we ever saw that was with Drew

941
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: Brees and Taysom Hill. Every other time it's.

942
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 7: Like, I'm not taking that.

943
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: I'm not taking my future Hall of Fame quarterback off

944
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 4: the field for a gadget play.

945
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and always bothered me. I know, they like you're

946
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: yards per play when Taysom Hill was out there back then,

947
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: we're really good. It was like six point five. But

948
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: I'm like Drew Brees on the sideline and he's in

949
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: the prime of his career. He can't tell me this

950
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: is better.

951
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 4: Yes, it's It's not like thirty three year old Russell

952
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: Wilson going to the sideline for Justin Fields to come

953
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 4: in for a few plays exactly.

954
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: I guess what Richardson might be looking at is can

955
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: I be the next Malik Willis? Yes, yeah, that's a

956
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: perfect example. He was a disaster with the Titans and

957
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: in way over his head for similar reasons but similar talent.

958
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: Now he's gonna get a nice call.

959
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: I might get thirty million a year from just going

960
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: to Green Bay and doing what he did. You know.

961
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Speaker 4: That's it's there's there's a lot to be uh to

962
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: be gained. I think specifically from that Malik Willis example.

963
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Speaker 4: One hour in the books, two more hours to go,

964
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Speaker 4: more guests. When we return, We've got to get into

965
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Speaker 4: some of these measurements from today. We've got to talk,

966
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 4: of course about the big story of a Reuben Bain

967
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: and the the short ar length measurements of today. Verry

968
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Speaker 4: We'll get into all that more in hour number two.

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Speaker 4: Just getting started here one hour in the book's two

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Speaker 4: more to go. On this Thursday, live from Radio Row

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Speaker 4: inside the Indiana Convention Center downtown Indianapolis, was Schuler Matt Williamson,

972
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Speaker 4: all part of our ongoing combine coverage Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 4: on the Steelers Audio Network