WEBVTT - Bump & Grind Feat Heidi Murkoff

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Good Mom's Five Choices. I'm Erica and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nila, and it's Wednesday, Bitchy, Happy mother fucking hump Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and pump Day and pump and pump Day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I like how you say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, like technically, if we're going to be technical.

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<v Speaker 4>It depends where you're at in your journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That No, I don't think it matters. I think always

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<v Speaker 3>pumping comes before the bumping.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, let's be pumped. Lets you're pumping because you've pumped.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, pump Day is a different day. No, We're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're confusing and confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have a very special guest today. If you

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<v Speaker 1>hear a foreign voice, that's not Erica or I. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the all time most high off at the pregnancy

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<v Speaker 1>Bible that everyone has seen, read and heard of the

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<v Speaker 1>series of What to Expect When Expecting, Heidi Murka.

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<v Speaker 2>That's me, Like, I mean, why Hi, everybody? Hi? I

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<v Speaker 2>love there.

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<v Speaker 3>Heidi is a very very special guest today.

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<v Speaker 1>She is probably like one of the most recognized women

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<v Speaker 1>in pregnancy world.

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<v Speaker 3>She was recognized by Times.

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<v Speaker 1>For most one hundred most influential people in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel so special to be honored to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to like interview you.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel, Oh, but that's so twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>So what it never goes away.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a Smithsonian. I mean you've sold millions and millions

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<v Speaker 4>and millions and millions and millions. I mean I can

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<v Speaker 4>keep saying millions because it's going to keep going, like

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<v Speaker 4>twenty millions of millions of books. I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 4>when I you know, I got pregnant, that's like the

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<v Speaker 4>book everyone recommends that you must have, you know, So,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you are a legend for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA I feel, I don't know what to say besides

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<v Speaker 2>I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>You had me at Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for like allowing us in your space.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Eric, and if you guys have been listening,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that Eric and I are very pushy. And

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<v Speaker 1>when Heidi's agent told us she didn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time to come to us, we said, we'll come

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<v Speaker 1>to her house.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't worry, We said, ask her if I could come over.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not my house, just so you know, we're remodeling,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is not my space.

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<v Speaker 4>But enough, when you go back home, we'll come over

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<v Speaker 4>there too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, date, it's a date.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll bring red wine.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent your open invitation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a joke once you come on the show,

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<v Speaker 3>or your friend for life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I like the way that sounds. I need me

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<v Speaker 2>some friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Well here you are too, mom friends. You never knew

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<v Speaker 3>you needed.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of did.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh perfect, I'm happy. So let's roll right into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we do our Tarot card.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the day. Sure, we always open the show with

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<v Speaker 4>little Taro. So what do the Tarot gods have for

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<v Speaker 4>us to day?

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<v Speaker 3>Mela today? The Tarot guards Taro guards.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tarot gods today have given us the card of judgment.

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<v Speaker 3>No upside down.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 1>So it says, in a financial context, don't be overly

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<v Speaker 1>cautious with money.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not to.

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<v Speaker 1>Suggest you should go wild. You may find yourself deliberating

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<v Speaker 1>endlessly about every purchase. If it's something you need and

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<v Speaker 1>you can afford it, just buy it. It's good to

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<v Speaker 1>be financially responsible, but you don't have to fret about

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<v Speaker 1>every penny you spend.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I think this card is fucking with me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it's no.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's telling us something. It's telling us we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be rich very soon. Nice, Heidi's richness is

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding off onto, and just not to worry, like it's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Her success is just gonna bleed.

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<v Speaker 4>So those Gucci shoes that I was looking at on

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<v Speaker 4>the internet last night, I should just get them.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, okay, but don't put them on my credit Fine,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we just met, I know we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>best friends and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I have access to those yet, Heidi,

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<v Speaker 1>we're your new daughters now, like, just one Paragucci shoes, eat,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get wait?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, wait, wait have you run this by Emma?

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<v Speaker 1>Though we're all going to be matching, it won't be

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<v Speaker 1>official if we're all that matching to the event.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, okay, Well, just so you know, Emma buys

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<v Speaker 2>her own shoes. Now mama wants a new pair of shoes,

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<v Speaker 2>she has to buy it. I'm just saying that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>We're mom's now with my own ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck, the one thing I miss about childhood?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Wait, what size shoe do you wear? We can share?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm really sad to say that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like very small, but I have an average size woman's foot.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like below average and size, but my foot is

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<v Speaker 1>average size.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what they say about that? Yeah, actually don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I just was going with a huge vagina.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well they do say that about petite women, Heidi.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you've heard it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard an inappropriate joke about you know what

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<v Speaker 1>they saw about small women.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's why I was telling the joke. But I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know. I didn't know what the Well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily pertaining to your shoe sides, but they

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<v Speaker 1>there's there is a running joke. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>you've never heard it about petite women.

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<v Speaker 2>What you could drive a truck through it or what.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, Yeah, you could take big penises.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so now relative to us, they are all big.

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<v Speaker 1>True, that's actually that's not a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not agree with that. I in fact, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well you probably someone probably told you that joke, Hidi,

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<v Speaker 1>right over your head.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm happy. I'm tired. You don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything goes over my head. But no, nobody has actually

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<v Speaker 2>said that before. But good to know.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, now you can use it your next dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>I can.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pissed that everybody feels comfortable enough with me to

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<v Speaker 1>just throw that joke around.

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<v Speaker 3>I must say fuck with me. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I'm I'm down with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I always talking as a compliment, but you know, take

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<v Speaker 3>it out where you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pun intended.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, we're so inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 4>Well yeah, welcome to good mom's bad choices.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, listen. I gotta say, for the record, I was

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<v Speaker 2>the first person to say penis on national television, right

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<v Speaker 2>a legend.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you, I told you guys, well, it was beautifulson.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't out of context or anything. I was invited

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about sexert and pregnancy on Good Morning America

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<v Speaker 2>with Joan London. We're going back a few years, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it came up in the conversation, like what was

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<v Speaker 2>I supposed to call it? And then get off the

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<v Speaker 2>secon Yeah, yeah, exactly, mister Johnson. I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I said penis, you know, and as I said, in context,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't out of context. And I get off the

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<v Speaker 2>set and they were all like, you said penis, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yes, I did. We were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>sex during pregnancy. You saw like everybody shifting uncomfortably. And

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, so then it was Seinfeld and everything was penis.

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<v Speaker 2>Penis penis after that.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically you broke the like nothing, I broke the cherry.

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<v Speaker 1>You broke the cherry of penis on TV. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, I really do, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>your work.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. Yeah, I've used it liberally ever since.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think that that's really important. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean even now, like with our space and talking

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<v Speaker 4>about I mean, our spaces were very transparent.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't note I had not thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>pointing that out.

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<v Speaker 4>But even talking about like to our children and kids

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<v Speaker 4>about their body parts and like things that I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 4>why are we making all these code names for things?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, call it, call it what it is exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've said vagina and peenis so far. So can we

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<v Speaker 2>move on or is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think we want to move on to

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<v Speaker 4>the affirmation of the day. How do we normally ask

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<v Speaker 4>our guests to, you know, help our listeners kind of

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<v Speaker 4>you know, set their week up and something that's going

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<v Speaker 4>to motivate them for the week. I'd love to know

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like how you stay motivated or what maybe

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<v Speaker 4>mantra you live by.

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<v Speaker 2>My mommy mantra? Sure, go ahead, Yeah, No, My mommy

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<v Speaker 2>mantra is stop and smell the babies, because I learned

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<v Speaker 2>this a hard way. They don't smell so sweet after

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<v Speaker 2>a while, and I think it's like a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a metaphor for everything. You got to slow down

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<v Speaker 2>and enjoy those moments that are going to be over

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<v Speaker 2>in a flash.

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<v Speaker 3>So stop and smell the babies.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's funny you say that because I was smelling

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<v Speaker 4>my daughter yesterday because she still has like round cheeks,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're like starting to get thinner, and I'm getting

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<v Speaker 4>really sad. In fact, like I was looking at her

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<v Speaker 4>the other day and I like started crying and she

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<v Speaker 4>was like, why are you crying so dramatic? And I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, because, like you're growing up and I just

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<v Speaker 4>need you to stop. And I was smelling her and

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, she still has a smell to her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>although like there have been a few times where I've

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<v Speaker 4>smelled her armpits and they've kind of smelled and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, what is happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for six you know that. Yeah, I remember the

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<v Speaker 2>first time. And you know, it's funny. With boys, it's

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<v Speaker 2>more of a sudden thing. Because I have a girl

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<v Speaker 2>and a boy, a woman, and a man. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>start out that way. And with my son, it was

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<v Speaker 2>literally overnight. I tucked him into bed one night and

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<v Speaker 2>he was a little boy, you know, a little blonde

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<v Speaker 2>chair up with these rown teeth. And next morning I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up and I took him to school, picked him up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what is that smell? There was

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<v Speaker 2>a smell in the car and I never ever had

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<v Speaker 2>been a smell in the car before. And so, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think with girls it's a more gradual process, like

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<v Speaker 2>they have pppppms, you know, for like years and then

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<v Speaker 2>they become women. But it's much more abrupt. Boys.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thank god we have girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if I don't know. The jury's out, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the sury's out. The attitudes are high.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yesterday I cuddled with our friend's new new

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<v Speaker 1>new babies, like one month old at the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you stuff and smell the baby dud in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at a party, and I was still just like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't someone trying to take the baby from.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, don't take the baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on, step away from the baby a minute. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh huh?

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<v Speaker 1>I've only had seventy minutes, yeah, but going on the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth minute and like take it, I'm getting baby fever.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the cheek is again, yeah, you put your face.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't, and it's like you hope they'll just stick there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and then they don't. They keep growing and

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<v Speaker 3>talking back.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to talk about them. Okay again, I

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<v Speaker 4>literally cried, it's ridiculous. My daughter the other side, I

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't cause tra She's like, I always look at

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<v Speaker 4>little cry my mom. Okay, mentally unstable. Definitely thinks I'm unstable.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, why are you crying. I'm like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>sad but happy. But you're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>You have grandchildren, so you're able to kind of like relive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're both boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Both her son and daughter both have kids.

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<v Speaker 2>No, just the daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they smelling yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Not yet? No, okay, they're eight and three, but

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know they well, I mean the three year

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<v Speaker 2>old smells because he hasn't pooped in the potty yet,

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<v Speaker 2>so he smells for other reasons, but just he's sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>sticky sweet. But yeah, it's a smell. We don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about necessarily.

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<v Speaker 3>And the outside doors. Yeah, so I have a question.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows your epic amazing book, but like has stopping

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<v Speaker 1>and smelling the babies of like pregnancy and motherhood has

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<v Speaker 1>always been your jam?

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<v Speaker 2>So true? Sorry, No, I was barely an adult. Got married,

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<v Speaker 2>like just really. We met in September, got married in Ale.

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<v Speaker 2>This young man, this young man right here. We met

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<v Speaker 2>in a bar in New York. And so I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what guy. We just like decided, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get married. Got married, and three months later, Oops,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pregnant. Now I didn't for some reason, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see that coming. So we were completely unprepared. And I

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<v Speaker 2>went out to the books. Remember when there were bookstores

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<v Speaker 2>that sold books very very long time ago. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>iget no not target, okay, and it was. I bought

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<v Speaker 2>all three books that were available, and none of them

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<v Speaker 2>answered my question. So two hours before I went into

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<v Speaker 2>labor with Emma, I delivered a proposal for a book

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<v Speaker 2>that all I wanted was for a couple of parents

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep better at night than we just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hold their hand, give them a hug. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what was about to happen?

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<v Speaker 4>How did you know though, like being your first child,

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<v Speaker 4>like during your pregnancy, were you doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>research or how did you come to.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, No, I knew nothing. I literally if you if

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<v Speaker 2>you had googled clueless, but of course there was no Google.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was a little Yeah, that was me. We

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<v Speaker 2>knew absolutely nothing and there was nobody to turn to

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<v Speaker 2>for advice, and so that I had to start from

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<v Speaker 2>scratch with the research and learn it all.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there anything now looking back on that book because

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<v Speaker 4>you did write it before you actually had a child?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I for the proposal, yeah, propose. I just

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<v Speaker 2>knew that I wanted to do this. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to do it. I didn't know what would be

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<v Speaker 2>in it, Bunny, I knew it was necessary. Right, that

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense?

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<v Speaker 4>No, for sure, I'm just curious of like now as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's because things have changed so much, so dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>since the first edition.

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<v Speaker 3>It's changed, right, Oh my god. Yeah, it's like double

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<v Speaker 3>the about of pages.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I updated like a couple times a year. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's that important to say current. But I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing is if you just look at well

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<v Speaker 2>don't look at the cover, the original cover, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was this woman in rocking chair with like the basket

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<v Speaker 2>of flowers and popery, and she looked miserable and anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So but the point is that it has changed so much,

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<v Speaker 2>because pregnancy has changed so much, and how we are pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>how we are empowered in a way that we weren't

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<v Speaker 2>in my pregnant days. And by the way, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to show off my bump, which was spectacular, but

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<v Speaker 2>nobody ever got to see it because she had to

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<v Speaker 2>hide it under a polyester pop tent. Yeah, you could

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<v Speaker 2>sleep a family of four under there with your Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the norm, like everyone but know you're pregnant,

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<v Speaker 3>but don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Pregnant exactly, huh exactly. Remember back in the day they

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<v Speaker 2>called not my day, but before my day, they called

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<v Speaker 2>it the period of confinement. I did not know that

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<v Speaker 2>women had to be confined because they were pregnant, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't supposed to be out doing anything or on

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<v Speaker 2>your feet or living.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, just like that's a showcase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, no, no, no, no no no. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the most fun time to be pregnant. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>gotten you know, I've had the opportunity now to experience

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<v Speaker 2>it through my daughter's eyes too, and through her beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>pumping close.

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<v Speaker 4>Only got the close and not the clothes of coming

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<v Speaker 4>a long way. I mean, even since I was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 4>the clothes and come a long way. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 4>only option really when I was shopping was the pea

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<v Speaker 4>in the pod and that was it, the p in

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<v Speaker 4>the pod. Now there's so many cute pregnancy brands. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>do I want to have a baby again? Just so

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<v Speaker 4>I can't?

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<v Speaker 2>I do? I do? I do?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I do? I do. I loved being pregnant. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it would be hard giving up the red wine,

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<v Speaker 2>but just the whole idea of.

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<v Speaker 4>This, I mean, even that though, I mean there's so

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<v Speaker 4>many I mean for us, I mean we are cannabis users,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think even still back there's so many things

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<v Speaker 4>that have changed as far as like what you can

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<v Speaker 4>do when you're pregnant, probably a glass of red wine

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<v Speaker 4>and every now and then is you know, not a big.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal as it was like you know, well actually you ask.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like then they were like drink a martini.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, when Eric's parents, my mother in law, was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the only reason she didn't drink and smoke

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time was because she was thrown up for

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<v Speaker 2>nine months because she didn't know she was having twins.

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<v Speaker 2>But had she been feeling fine, she would have been

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<v Speaker 2>having the martinis everybody did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's really normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, babies, we're smaller.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but they made it.

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<v Speaker 2>They made it. No, that's true. I mean it really

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<v Speaker 2>it depends who you ask when it comes to things

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<v Speaker 2>like wine, even you know, sushi, all those things are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's so many opinions on caffeine.

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<v Speaker 4>I definitely drank the coffee every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I had sushi.

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<v Speaker 4>My doctor said it was fine. I was, like, I

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<v Speaker 4>really did, like besides the coffee, like I was super strict.

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<v Speaker 4>I was fucking terrified like everything that my doctor told

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<v Speaker 4>me to stay away from. I listened to a tea,

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<v Speaker 4>the coffee. Yeah, but you're you're coffee was fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, your doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Did't say there's coffee was fine, and maybe not the

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<v Speaker 2>five shot.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a latte drinker or regular, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you're getting calcium bonus.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, No wonder sunk, but I was so

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<v Speaker 4>terrified in pregnancy, and I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>think that once you get pregnant, it's like, really, isn't

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<v Speaker 4>about the mother at all. It's really about protecting the baby.

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<v Speaker 4>Must protect the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it should be about the mother a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more than it is. And that's a whole other story.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we'll get into that, but yeah, it is

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<v Speaker 2>very much about protecting the baby.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I didn't eat any cheeses.

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<v Speaker 2>I well, first of all, okay, ps who could have

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<v Speaker 2>eaten all cheeses unless they weren't past pastorized?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's what I meant.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but well, there's pasteurized breed.

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<v Speaker 4>What are people in France doing eating photoperiod?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I explain something? But can I explain? The ish

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<v Speaker 2>there is that you don't buy drugs like drug store

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<v Speaker 2>or gas station sushi in Japan like your sushi is fresh.

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<v Speaker 2>The only reason they tell you to avoid it is

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't want to get sick like bacteria. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the serious a different story. That's in the cheeseese super rare.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean as far as like cold cuts in Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>whole different story than cold cuts here. They're more like

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<v Speaker 2>to be contaminated so same thing with sushi. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like an abundance of caution. But in terms of like sushi,

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<v Speaker 2>the only downside would be if you got food poisoning,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sucks to have food posing when you're pregnant, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and get dehydrate, had to you know, get ivy foods.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe it's America and you're pinking anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>America has all these rules, yet we have like the highest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes exactly, Well, we have the rules, but we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the care right And so a lot of women

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<v Speaker 2>don't even find out what the rules are because they

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<v Speaker 2>don't get the information because they're not empowered to have

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<v Speaker 2>that information in your hands. So that's the problem. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of problems in our country. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a big problem when.

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<v Speaker 1>You're writing this book, Like there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>problems with like childbirth and pregnancy in the States, like

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we would assume that there's not because

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<v Speaker 1>it's oh, it's the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>We're smart, right, but American exceptionalism right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, or the backs do everything great except birth.

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<v Speaker 2>People and take care of them, take care of them

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<v Speaker 2>than that, we're.

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<v Speaker 1>We have no ethics in our food and everything from

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<v Speaker 1>the time he wrote the book just out of pure

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<v Speaker 1>there's not being enough information available to you, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the MUF Now, right, how much has it like since

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<v Speaker 1>the book dropped and you've had this wild success. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure because you've learned a bunch of stuff in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>And I keep learning that I'm sure you weren't even

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<v Speaker 1>aware of because.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I keep learning every single day. I've learned from moms.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll probably learn something from you. Guys, I told you

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<v Speaker 2>that joke. Well that's true, that's true. That's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well quickly we forget how that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I filed it away. I'll pull it out one day.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like it's a lot of information, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm better off not knowing some of it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally get that when I was pregnant, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a very hippie crunchy.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm gonna give a home birth. I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 3>orgasmic birth and breathe through it. It's gonna be great too.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I went to I mean, I'm a stuge fan

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<v Speaker 2>of orgasm. I'm not gonna lie, but maybe not. At

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, I just that's me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was hopeful it just didn't happen, because that shit hurts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I did all this research into all these

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<v Speaker 1>like crunchy hippie podcasts, I read a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>all of Nime Gaskins books.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'm gonna go to Commune and give

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<v Speaker 3>births on the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I didn't realize, and thank god I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize because I didn't really want to give birth in

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital that me as a black woman. I was

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<v Speaker 1>almost three times as high as like not leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital with my baby. I had no idea of that,

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<v Speaker 1>And thank god, because I was already scared at the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital and I end up going to the hospital. If

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<v Speaker 1>I would have known that, there's no way I would

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<v Speaker 1>have went. I'm like, fuck that, I'm going to be home,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So it's like I didn't even know that

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<v Speaker 1>that was fucking seven years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, so the reality is that's real reality for

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<v Speaker 2>black women. It's also reality for indigenous moms American Indian

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<v Speaker 2>and Alaska Natives so as well as moms living in

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<v Speaker 2>maternity care deserts, which are all over the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's that It means you can't get care, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no hospital, there's no birthing center. There's no hospital that

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<v Speaker 2>does O B like even in Chicago, in the South

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<v Speaker 2>Side Chicago, Mattornity Terra is shut down. In a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of places in rural areas. That's crazy. So many hospitals

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<v Speaker 2>have stopped doing birth livery so you have to travel

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<v Speaker 2>so far to get care and in an emergency, that

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<v Speaker 2>puts you at great risk. And now, let's face it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been to South Sudan and Somalian border, We've been everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and okay, you sort of it's not okay that happens there,

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<v Speaker 2>but you understand it to a certain extent. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand why in the United States, the wealthiest nation in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, we can't do a better job on maternal mortality,

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:10.440
<v Speaker 2>morbidity of moms of not making it through childbirth or

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<v Speaker 2>dying postpartum because they their care lapses, their Medicaid lapses

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<v Speaker 2>at two months.

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<v Speaker 3>What what you see.

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<v Speaker 2>The doctor for the last time, it's six weeks. A

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<v Speaker 2>third of death happen after that because moms aren't getting

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<v Speaker 2>continued care. So that's not okay. We have to change that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you had information, whether you wanted to access

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<v Speaker 2>or not, you had it, but a lot of moms

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<v Speaker 2>don't get any and they're not listened to. The CDC

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<v Speaker 2>just did this great campaign called hashtag Hear Her, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's all based on the fact that many women are

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<v Speaker 2>not heard black moms, especially women of color, when you

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<v Speaker 2>speak up and you say this hurts, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having this symptom, and they say, oh, it's normal, stopping dramatic.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I mean I think of Serena Williams. Yeah, except

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 4>she was hemorrhaging and she told them something's not right,

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 4>and they pushed her aside until she was like, no,

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 4>someone needs to listen to me and think about how

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<v Speaker 4>many women of color, not just black, that that happens too.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's alarming. And we know our bodies. We

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<v Speaker 4>know when something does not feel right, even me, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I think about my experience and you know, I did

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<v Speaker 4>want to have a home birth. And then because I

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<v Speaker 4>was the first of all my friends to have children,

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<v Speaker 4>I told my friends that I told my family that

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<v Speaker 4>they all looked at me like I was fucking nuts.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom. I come from a family that's very like

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<v Speaker 4>you're sick, you go to the doctor, that's it. Even now,

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 4>they're still like you, what are you doing go to

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<v Speaker 4>the doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's probably a good idea right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But you know when I did decide to because

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 4>I had of fear. I was telling my daughter's father

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<v Speaker 4>or we I invited a midwife to our house. And

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<v Speaker 4>this is my last attempt at like proving to myself

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<v Speaker 4>that I was going to do this and then like

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 4>proving to him that, like we're doing this. But I

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<v Speaker 4>also had a lot of guilt because like, Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not just my baby, it's his baby, and like I

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<v Speaker 4>want him to feel comfortable even though I'm the one

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<v Speaker 4>carrying it. And I remember this moment he was asked

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 4>the midwife like, so, what happens in an emergency? And

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<v Speaker 4>I was like fuck, And he was like, well, we

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 4>would go to the hospital. And he was like, well,

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.959
<v Speaker 4>why don't we just go to the hospital. And so

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 4>we went to the hospital. And that was my first

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<v Speaker 4>experience ever, Like I'd never laid in a hospital bed

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<v Speaker 4>ever in my life. I never had surgery ever in

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 4>my life, so kind of going to the hospital was

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<v Speaker 4>already traumatic. I remember, like I had planned, I was

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<v Speaker 4>like a week late, so of course my doctor was

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<v Speaker 4>pushing me to nine days. Yeah, I was seven days.

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<v Speaker 4>But my doctor was like, you must go. The baby's

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<v Speaker 4>getting too big, like we have to induce you. And

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<v Speaker 4>so even now wishing like I didn't listen to her,

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<v Speaker 4>like I wish I would have just waited a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit longer. I went. I got the potocin. Throughout my pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 4>she had been like talking about sea sections a lot,

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 4>and I kept saying, like, I don't want to see section.

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 4>She's she's like, you know, all my babies were delivered

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 4>sea section. It was very sazy. You're obviously capable of

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<v Speaker 4>your healthy weight and you have a birth. I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I'm just saying, what. So anyway, I get

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 4>the potocin. You know, I'm in labor for thirty six hours.

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.119
<v Speaker 4>I end up. You know, once your water's broken for

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 4>that long, you're susceptible to infection. I get an infection.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I'm going in for an emergency. See section. Not

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<v Speaker 4>part of my birth plan at all. Never had a

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<v Speaker 4>major surgery in my life, never sat in the hospital

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<v Speaker 4>ever except for death, like going to visit people who

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<v Speaker 4>are dying and just feeling like none of my like,

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<v Speaker 4>no one was listening to me, like I told her,

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<v Speaker 4>like I think we should wait, and she said, no,

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.439
<v Speaker 4>we shouldn't because her baby's getting too big. I delivered

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<v Speaker 4>my daughter, she was seven pounds. I'm like, people are

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<v Speaker 4>delivering eleven pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Say yeah, those estimates are way off in lean Away,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's not something you can take to the bank. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>thank Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like I just feel like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pressure to just you know, especially as a first

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 1>time mother like you. For me, like I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I must do everything by the book because I am

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<v Speaker 1>putting my child at risk.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's all this fear around birth, and like that

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 4>you don't actually matter. All that matters is this thing

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 4>that you're growing inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Right in your opinion, doesn't matter. You're not in a

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 1>medical school, did you go. I didn't think so, So

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>it's you are. You're gonna die if you don't do this.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what her experience is with other, you know,

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 4>women or white women that she caters to. She's not

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 4>a black doctor, and that maybe she would have been

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more like, Okay, let's wait, I could

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 4>we could argue that or whatever. But I did feel

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 4>like my needs were not listened to, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>then suddenly I'm in surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing. I mean, there's a good reason

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>why we have sea sections and why we have induction,

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 2>why we have all these interventions. It's to save lives

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>when necessary, but it's for use as necessary, and so

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>there's a fine line. And I don't know the circumstances,

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>but I have to tell you that black doctors are

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 2>less likely to perform sea sections on black women than

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 2>white doctors. I mean that's just a statistic and for

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>whatever reason. And black moms are more likely yeah, yeah,

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>and to have all kinds of complications. Now, what it's

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>correlated to, whether there's you know, a higher risk you know,

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>because of certain pre existing conditions whatever not for you. No, absolutely,

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.640
<v Speaker 2>So it's a balance because you want a healthy mom

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>and a healthy baby. And I you know, then on

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>the other extreme, when I go to Africa and we

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 2>were in a clinic in South Sudan where a mom

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<v Speaker 2>walked in barefoot. She'd walked fourteen miles in labor.

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh my God.

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 2>To get to this clinic so she could safely deliver

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 2>her baby. Now, this clinic had no infrastructure at all,

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>but the midwives were trained and they had clean hands,

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and that's already a leap above what you could get

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>in your village. So there's extremes, but I feel there's

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>a need for balance with you know, any birth that

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<v Speaker 2>ends in a healthy mom and a healthy baby is success.

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't successfully say.

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<v Speaker 4>That, but you see, yeah.

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>And yours was. However, you know, could you have waited? Maybe?

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't. Who knows what the indications were, whether you

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 2>had any reason to deliver sooner.

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 4>I think thinking about what Jamila said about saying that, like,

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that. You know, black women are four

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 4>times three to four times were likely to die in

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 4>birth than white women. I had no idea of that either.

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 4>And in my work, you know, in this space with

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:37.719
<v Speaker 4>good moms and you know, meeting women like you and

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 4>talking to birth workers and doulas and doctors, I do

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 4>feel like, reflecting back on my experience, I'm just like, huh,

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 4>I do feel like I wish I would have been

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 4>more knowledgeable yeah about that.

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>And then just being more empowered to say, you know what,

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to wait longer, Like why is there a

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 1>rush and you're trying to get to are you trying

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to get to vacation?

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of times doctors do do that.

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Like there's studies that correlate c sections happening around lunchtime

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and the time it's time.

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<v Speaker 2>O'clock out because people are ready to go home, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's definitely something to be said for that. I feel

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>like when possible, midwife, definitely have a duela. Those both

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>lower your risk for needing a sea section, because sometimes

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 2>you need a sea section and there's nothing to advocate

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 2>for you exactly. Yeah, and I believe every mom should

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 2>have a duel. We just passed the duel a resolution

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that just recognizes the importance of them and hopefully we'll

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>get them covered by Medicaid.

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 3>We also work on much which is so amazing because.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, for a mom who can't afford to hire

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>a doula but will benefit so incredibly from having that advocate.

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>From having that physical and emotional support can make first

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of all, lowers your risk of sea section, lowers your

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 2>risk of complicit ex floors your risk of postpartum depression.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a small investment for.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge for a huge And like, if anyone's had a baby,

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>that hospital bill.

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Is like twenty racks, twenty five thousand dollars.

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like Okay, America, you could throw like twenty five

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>hundred in for a doula.

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Not even not even not right, But it's.

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Just crazy, like the amount. First of all, it's so

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>over medicalized. Then it's so very expensive, like if you

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>don't have insurance, you're fucked. And just even to hear

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even realize that they only cover you, you know,

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>two months after.

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Giving states that have not had Medicaid expansion, which is

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of states, that's when it lapses. Two months

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and until the states say, okay, moms matter in this state,

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>it won't change. California, of course, is great, like comparatively

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 2>amazing in terms of maternal health places like New Jersey

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and New York, But you go to other states like Texas,

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 2>and the rates are so high and moms are not

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 2>getting care. And you're also talking about undocumented moms who

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 2>are afraid to get care or they don't can't afford it,

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>so they wait until they have a complication at eight

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 2>months and guess what that ends up costing more than

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>it would have just to give her prenatal care in

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 2>the first place. So you know, as far as I'm concerned,

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 2>if you know, legislators don't you know, see it from

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>a compassionate point of view where I want all moms,

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>these are my sisters, I want them all to be healthy.

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Then you know realize it's economically it makes sense.

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>People are always talking about keegels. Do kegels tight and

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 3>you're pussy do kegels? But where are those muscles hiding?

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 3>And how do you exercise them? I don't know? And

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 3>so perfect with poor Moi, it's like the gym for

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<v Speaker 3>your pelvic floor.

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0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.960
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, whether you're consolidating high interest debt or

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 4>funding personal expenses. Over a half a million people have

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 4>used Upstart to get a simple, fixed monthly payment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing because sometimes it gives me anxiety to see

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>so many credit card bills, so just having one would

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>eliminate so much of my anxiety.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you tell our listeners too, I mean, you do

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 4>such amazing work, I mean all over the world with

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 4>your foundation, and can you tell them more about your

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 4>what to Expect foundation? And also bump Day. I'm really

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 4>excited today.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yes, yeah, not surprisingly it's a Wednesday and bump.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, today is bump Day, and I just want to

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 4>talk about your work and your foundation and how you

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 4>came to bump Day and what it means for us

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:02.879
<v Speaker 4>and you and all the moms out here.

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 2>So this is our seventh annual Bump Day and which

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>is very exciting, keeps getting bigger and bigger. And the

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 2>idea is to flood social media, especially Instagram, with beautiful bumps,

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 2>because we're all about celebrating beautiful bumps past and present.

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be personally dusting off my polarizers. Of

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the three pictures that I actually have pregnant, one there's

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of pubic hair that I have to

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 2>because I was pulling my shirt up, so I have

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 2>to like tuck it down. But the idea is to

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 2>have fun but raise awareness about the urgent need for

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 2>better maternal healthcare in the US, because motherhood is yeltimate's sisterhood,

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 2>and our sisters are at risk and we can't let

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that stand. We have to advocate share messages about the

0:35:56.680 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>crisis of maternal mortality that here in the US at

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 2>this moment, because we have the highest rate of maternal

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 2>mortality in the developed world, not okay, not okay, not

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 2>even remotely okay, and we can change that, but we

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 2>have to all speak up.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm really excited to be part of it. I

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 4>can't wait to show off my bump. And if you

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 4>guys are listening, make sure that today is the day

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 4>show those bumps off. If you have any pregnant mamas

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 4>listening right now, go take a picture or you know,

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 4>I know you guys have probably photo shoots. I mean,

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:34.800
<v Speaker 4>we're in the age of social media exactly. Everyone people

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 4>love to post a bump photo. I mean I wish

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 4>I had more photos. I think even me, like, I

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 4>wasn't like one to like walk around with like a

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 4>crop top on and my like belly show.

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh I would do that, right, I.

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 4>Mean I definitely showed my bump. It wasn't hiding it.

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 4>But I wasn't like boom like sports bron belly here I.

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Am oh man to do Yeah, for sure.

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I was dedicated to not buying a single maternity outfit.

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be pregnant very long, so I'm

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 1>not buying that shit.

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 1>And then I was just squeezing my already small shit

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 1>over my big ass belly and you were gonna get

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>it all no matter what.

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 1>But you know, even as empowered and like I was

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>in my pregnancy, I do wish. It's crazy how you

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>can think at one point you're empowered and you were

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>comfortable in it, and then you look back and there's

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>things that, like even with breastfeeding afterwards, Like I was

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>a breastfeeder and I breastfed for a long time, but

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 1>like I just remember some people are like, oh, you know,

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>go in the bathroom and then not feeling like ballsy

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 1>enough that day to be like no, And I was

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>like okay, like for me, and I thought that I

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>was like all empowered in it, but I was looking recently.

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a lot of pictures from me breastfeeding

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>because I was probably like this is too much to

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.319
<v Speaker 1>take a picture, right, But now I'm like, I miss

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it so much.

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I miss it all these years later. I miss it

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.720
<v Speaker 2>like crazy. And I was a person who actually whipped

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>them out back before it was cool to whip them.

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm so proud of you.

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like tried to put a napkin on

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 2>me in a restaurant. But you know, Emma was always

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>like body exactly so I so to speak, how was.

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Your husband with that at that time?

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Like, is he advocating for you or was he like, oh, totally,

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>well he.

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Was fond of them too. I mean, but it's like,

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 2>if you can show breast everywhere else, damn it, you

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>can share breast when you're feeding a baby, period, end

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 2>of story. Not even negotiable.

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 1>There's so much sexualization of women's bodies, of bodies in general,

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's crazy that, like we are so programmed

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>to sexualize every fucking thing, because I guess this is

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>America that even when it comes to something as natural

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and as beautiful and it is like god given as birthing,

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.399
<v Speaker 1>and like enjoying the body that you're in, and like

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>even like I think I got flagged on the Internet

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 1>because I posted a picture like a beautiful my belly, but.

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 3>My nipples are showing. They were fucking huge. But the

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 3>point is it wasn't sexual at all.

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Why the fuck Instagram? But you take my beautiful picture

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>down at a beautiful couch.

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's just it's an interesting thing.

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like so many moms like if you're listening,

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're pregnant, if you're about to get pregnant, if

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you have, you know, having a second baby. There's so

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>many things like to be empowered in and information to

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>soak up and just like just to know where you

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 1>stand in your pregnancy and to like make sure your

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>partner is informed and you're informed when you go to

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. What you want, what you don't want, what

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>you're standing for. If someone told you to put your

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>tit away in the restaurant, tell the fuck off, you know, like,

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>there's I just I want to give you the unless

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 1>you're not breastfeeding, unless it's just like.

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>You're randomly pulling it out nice to me too. Yeah,

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 2>that's no, and that's okay, and it's a wardrobe malfunction

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and I get that. But if you are breastfeeding and

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 2>this is true, all, oh for the world, what is

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 2>the matter with us?

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 1>And also if you're that weird ass fucking friend that's like, oh, hei,

0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 1>do you put your boob away?

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you?

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Fuck you friend. You need to shut the fuck up.

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>And the next time you catch yourself about to tell

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>someone to put their tit away or put a blanket

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>over their baby's head or whatever fucking great advice you

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>think you're about to give a mom or like maybe

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 1>you should put those new hot milky boobs like away. No, no,

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>I earn these milky boobs and I earned belly, and

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I can do whatever the fuck I want. And like,

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>even if it's your mother in law, you know, maybe

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 1>don't have to use those words because you might get divorced,

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 1>but like you must stand up for yourself.

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's true with mother in laws and with mothers,

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like they'll give you a lot of shit,

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things, and you just this is your

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 2>time to be the parent. It's not their turn anymore, right,

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you wear the parent pants.

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's true, it's your time to Really, you make

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:41.320
<v Speaker 4>the rules.

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 2>It's you made the baby. You made the baby. You

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 2>made the baby, not them. And by the way, pregnancy

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and new moms are not community property. I can't know

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 2>everybody thinks that meeting. No, No, they're not going to

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.320
<v Speaker 2>contribute to the raising of your child.

0:40:58.440 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 3>So their opinions.

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, No, they don't get to tell you what to

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 2>name your baby. They don't get to tell you how

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 2>to feed your baby or how your baby. You know,

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 2>should what schedule they should sleep on? Nothing? No, they

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>don't earn that.

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I tell you I never got more motherfucking unsolicited advice

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 1>until I was a mom. And I'm telling you you've

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>got to start that shit in pregnancy. You got to

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 1>start putting your motherfucking foot down as soon as you

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 1>see two fucking lines on that stick your swollen foot.

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you put that swollen foot down.

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 3>You have to like stand in it because people will try.

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 1>You and it will make you question yourself and question

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 1>how your parents.

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. And I know you guys are not

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 2>like this, but there's so much on social media of

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.319
<v Speaker 2>the mom judging, which is why when you pulled out

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 2>the tarrot card about judging, I was like, no, no,

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 2>not that, no, but we can't. We have to support

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>each other. And you know, and there are like two

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 2>absolutes about being parents. Keep your child healthy and safe,

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 2>love your child unconditionally. Beyond that, keep it alive, keep

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>it alive, keep it happy. That's it.

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 4>And even on social media, there's a lot of judgment

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 4>from the crunchy moms to the non credown and I

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.400
<v Speaker 4>think that I have to speak to that too, because

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 4>there's women that was both ways. Yeah, I mean, it's

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:15.839
<v Speaker 4>really easy for us to be like give home birth

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 4>and don't want don't want to that's if it would

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:22.720
<v Speaker 4>put you at high. Why are you giving them formula

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 4>and mother's milk?

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, okay it listen. Emma did not make milk.

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 2>She closet pumps eight hours a day and she would

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 2>make like this much milk and it was funny because

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Lennox was loved it, so she would give it to

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>him first. I used to call it the appetitidizer. I

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>was taking literally one ounce and he loved it. And

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:45.799
<v Speaker 2>that made her feel so guilty, so she would go

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:47.879
<v Speaker 2>back to the closet and pump and pump and pump

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 2>until her nipples hanging on by a thread. And we

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 2>finally had an intervention and said, Emma, you can't continue

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 2>this like you know, And they did not bond until

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 2>she gave up the breast pump. She was so gung

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 2>ho and it was keeping her baby. Lennox hated the

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 2>sight of her because she would always try to shove

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 2>a breast in his mouth and there was nothing in it.

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 2>And she tried every herb she tried every Electasian consultant,

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:19.760
<v Speaker 2>she tried cupping drugs from Canada, like she tried everything

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and she couldn't make milk. So it's like, yes, breast

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>is bas but if you can't pressfeed or you choose

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:30.399
<v Speaker 2>not to, the most important ingredient in a feeding is love, right,

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 2>that's it. You provide that love. You provide everything a

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 2>baby needs. So that's what I'm saying.

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I sucond this message good mom is not a place

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 1>for judging or what to expect.

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited to see all these bumps. I can't

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 4>wait to see all the bumps on the internet, all

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 4>the bumps that I've yet to see. I know we

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 4>have a lot of moms that are pregnant right now.

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 4>They're like, say, what is the assage? But it's hashtag.

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Hashtag bump day. And then we have a social media

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>toolkit you can share messages about the need for better

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>maternal health care. There's so many stats that are really

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.839
<v Speaker 2>like the fact that you know, two zero point two

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.839
<v Speaker 2>million moms live in a health care desert where they

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 2>can't get care.

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 4>I mean not okay, it's a lot.

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And most pregnancy complications that lead to death are preventable,

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Like you can actually do something about it by spreading

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 2>awareness isn't that crazy.

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 1>There's things we could do about it, but we just

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 1>haven't done it because you know, well do that last

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>well and a.

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Lot of people don't know. They just don't know what

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>they don't know, and I'll give them the benefited I mean,

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.959
<v Speaker 2>but now you know. So, Yeah, we have to mom

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 2>mobilize around issues that are really important to all of us,

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 2>because if we don't do it, who's going to do

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 2>what I'm going to do it? Mom?

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.879
<v Speaker 3>Does matter? Yeah, we make the people. Do you want

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 3>more people will take care of us?

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 4>Fun?

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Do you want a population?

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well yeah, try to have a health health the future.

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Without a healthy mom, it's not possible.

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 3>You'll have nothing.

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>You have nothing. You owe it to us, right, Okay, then.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a few little questions we wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 4>you before we head out of here with. So we

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<v Speaker 4>were recently gifted this amazing game by may our podcast

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<v Speaker 4>coordinator who's sitting over here. The game is called We're

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<v Speaker 4>Not Really Strangers. You guys have maybe seen us post

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<v Speaker 4>about it. Maybe you guys have heard about it because

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<v Speaker 4>it's all the rage on social media. But it's a

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<v Speaker 4>good way to have some really amazing questions in here.

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<v Speaker 4>That I think some people haven't been asked. I know

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<v Speaker 4>I have never been asked tobo these questions.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a self reflection edition. Uh oh, so you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a self reflect tidy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, deep do I have to look.

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<v Speaker 3>No questions?

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<v Speaker 2>Not in this light? Okay? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>What have you always accepted as true that turned out

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<v Speaker 4>to be false?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? I'm not good at self. What if I always

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<v Speaker 2>I assume that everybody cared about moms and babies that

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<v Speaker 2>turned out not to be I assume that, Yeah, I don't. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one I'm really bad at this. I'm good that.

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<v Speaker 3>You've taken the initiative to make people care.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm trying starting the.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you should care about moms and babies.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm campaigned because trying done an amazing job. Okay, here's

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<v Speaker 1>another one. What's a non negotiable in my life?

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<v Speaker 2>Your life?

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<v Speaker 3>Hugs hugs same same girl. You gotta hug me own friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I have hugged my way through countries where nobody hucks,

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<v Speaker 2>no body hugs. I hug men in countries where men

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<v Speaker 2>are not supposed to hug. I've gotten people from man

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<v Speaker 2>pats all the way through shaming them of course. But

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<v Speaker 2>the other day I was a Senate office and this

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<v Speaker 2>guy was giving me this like little Mandy candy, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like cat and I was like, no, no, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not okay. I'm getting train news. So hugs, hugs, hugs. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's not okay, Like you don't hug

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<v Speaker 2>like this, It's not you know, it's like the Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>air kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The people's face like like to touch them, uncomfortable to

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<v Speaker 1>get I've always.

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<v Speaker 2>I only had security called on me.

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<v Speaker 4>One security was called called security on you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think almost No, it was it was five one woman,

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was on this it was no. I haven't. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I would not. That would be my one exception. That

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<v Speaker 2>would be. Yeah. It was on the set of the

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<v Speaker 2>What to Expect when You're Expecting movie. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it and if you did, I apologize. It

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<v Speaker 2>was embarrassing. You love it. So we were on the

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<v Speaker 2>set and I was hugging everybody, and I got to

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<v Speaker 2>what's his name, Dennis Quite and he was at the

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<v Speaker 2>you know the.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that Meg Ryan's ex husband? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, rude, he didn't he called security.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I was like, hi, I'm mighty, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else had been so awesome about it, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't actually call security, but I'm exaggerating little, but

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<v Speaker 2>he won't exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Look Dennis get it together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah rude.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just I wouldn't give him one rain check.

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<v Speaker 4>He seems like a hugger. I'm pissed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you'd be surprised he was my shunger that you

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<v Speaker 3>think is a hugger. He's an actor, Eric damn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And some people are weird about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's I mean, like minus COVID and all the

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 1>other you know, whatever, the cold that's gone crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>But people are so weird about human touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but yes, And I actually the first time I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the CDC and I met with the director

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<v Speaker 2>of the CDC, and everybody who knew I was a hugger.

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<v Speaker 2>They would take me into his office and saying, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you do, do not hug him. Don't don't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it. I went right in, Like, I went

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<v Speaker 2>right in. I gave him a big old hug, and

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<v Speaker 2>I swear he would not let go, like he was

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<v Speaker 2>hugging me for the next like.

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<v Speaker 4>Waiting for this hug.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, you know, here's the thing. About hugs

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<v Speaker 2>and public health, Like, I understand no handshaking, handshacking scross,

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<v Speaker 2>but hugs, you're going like this, you're not. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>swapping of any fluid. You don't keep fluids on your shoulder.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel it's so much more hygienic and it's

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<v Speaker 2>good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine the memos that like go before,

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<v Speaker 1>like Heidi's agent.

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<v Speaker 3>Sends up, she's a hugger. Just morning everyone. She will

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<v Speaker 3>touch everyone. Be aware.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it depends on it depends on literally.

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<v Speaker 3>You know a lot of important people.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I you know, Star General, I know

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Oh my god, slide it here. That photo.

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<v Speaker 2>That photo. So that's when Eric or somebody told her.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote what to expect when you're expecting, and that's her.

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<v Speaker 2>You did not.

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<v Speaker 3>Our face was to look at this, look at this

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<v Speaker 3>hug an amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's this well, first of all, I'm wearing heels,

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 2>she's wearing flats, and I'm in her armpit. But but regardless,

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<v Speaker 2>she is an amazing hugger. But that's her face saying literally,

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<v Speaker 2>she was saying, you did not.

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<v Speaker 4>I see it. That's your facing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I did.

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<v Speaker 2>That's me, and that photo. She's she's saying, and I

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<v Speaker 2>used to go through it every night, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>using the hand description.

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody's read the book. I meant read the book,

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<v Speaker 3>including Michelle Obama.

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<v Speaker 4>That's amazing you've made it.

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<v Speaker 2>She's it's a really good hugger though.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say you're a good hugger too. You

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<v Speaker 3>gave me a good hug. I was very pleased with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do Oh, I'm so excited and binding over our

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<v Speaker 3>feet hugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we crushing.

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<v Speaker 3>I love I love it, I love it here.

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<v Speaker 4>This is my family. Now, well, why do you thank

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<v Speaker 4>you so much for coming on the podcast.

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for coming to me.

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, we came to you, and we'll come to

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<v Speaker 4>your house.

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<v Speaker 2>So special.

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<v Speaker 3>You're aggressive and we don't take no for an answer.

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't either, so yeah, I don't.

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Maya was like good news, I'm like perfect. Nobody was

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<v Speaker 3>going to email. I'm like, I'm going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy that you joined us and shared your

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge and shared energy with us in space, and thank

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you for all the work that you do. And we

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<v Speaker 1>will be posting every fucking picture of our bump that

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<v Speaker 1>we can find on it. Yeah today, Yeah, I hope

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 1>you do too, tag what to expect when when expecting,

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<v Speaker 1>and hashtag.

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<v Speaker 3>Bump day, happy bump day. All my beautiful mama's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy bump day, Happy healthy bump day.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy healthy bump day. And don't forget to hump because

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 3>it's also hump day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, you can get the bump or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you don't have to get the bump every

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 2>time you hump. I'm just clarifying.

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<v Speaker 3>That you can pull out.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't rely on that, okay, or you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can take better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a doctor, and I don't certify this message.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have a snort, I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Where can our listeners find you?

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<v Speaker 2>At Heidi Markoff. All my social media is at Heidi Markoff.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course there's at What to Expect and the

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 2>What to Expect Project, which is the foundation, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things and what to expect. App wait,

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:45.120
<v Speaker 2>there's what to Expect podcasts, there's a lot of what

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<v Speaker 2>to expect.

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<v Speaker 4>Just google what to Expect It follow all of them

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<v Speaker 4>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know where to find us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're Good Mom's Underscore Bad Choices on Instagram and Good

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<v Speaker 1>Mom's Bad Choices everywhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't forget to read review this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Make sure to follow us on Twitter. You guys, we

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<v Speaker 4>do have a Twitter. We tweet why you do? I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've gone on a little Twitter Titus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot over there, but it is. But I

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<v Speaker 2>for bumped ay, I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think we're good. We're bad girl, good mom.

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<v Speaker 4>No, good mom, underscore bad girl. That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, we will tag all of the lik.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're good and you make good choices. You just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling you do.

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<v Speaker 4>The bad choices are not necessarily bad, they're just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>some people might think that talking about sex is bad,

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<v Speaker 4>but or saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Penis on the tele, well, clearly I'm not one of

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<v Speaker 1>those people.

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<v Speaker 4>You are a good mom bad You are a good

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 4>mom that makes bad choices and good choices. But we

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<v Speaker 4>will link everything in this episode description. Don't you fret

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll see you guys next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, my mos.

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<v Speaker 5>So don't so. Then I saw him and he saw

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<v Speaker 5>him the best a

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<v Speaker 2>Qu