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Speaker 2: Times Bestseller, twenty time first place winner, National Writing Contest,

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Speaker 2: New York Post. He's written The Captain. You know, I

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Speaker 2: loved The Rise and Rain of Mike Krzyzewski, author of Belichick.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking of you flying back from Boston the

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Speaker 2: other day. So I was flying from Boston on vacation.

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Speaker 2: I came back to LA and I watched a couple

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Speaker 2: episodes of Dynasty. Now that's Jeff Benedict's book, and that

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Speaker 2: is you know, it's understood in the industry that that's

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Speaker 2: a very craft favorable interpretation of Dynasty. Yours was not.

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Speaker 2: It was and this is not a criticism of Jeff.

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Speaker 2: But everybody needs sources. Everybody needs windows. Are you at

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Speaker 2: all bothered in all your years? I mean to get

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Speaker 2: access to coach k You know, there's certain places you

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Speaker 2: when you want because you write these long, one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty sourced books minimum, do you ever have a

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Speaker 2: problem a balance of Okay, this is starting to feel

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Speaker 2: like a little too Belichick a little too craft a

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Speaker 2: little too brady. Is that something you struggle with?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, I think I struggle with that in every

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Speaker 1: book I've done, in long pieces I've done for different outlets.

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Speaker 1: I've worked for Colin and he just talked to as

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Speaker 1: many people as possible. And if you do that, it

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Speaker 1: sort of happens organically that it balances out the negative

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Speaker 1: is when someone is a collaborator, and I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if Robert Kraft is a collaborator in this project with

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Speaker 1: that book that Jeff wrote, and he's really good. I

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Speaker 1: have not seen these episodes yet. I'd plan to at

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Speaker 1: some point when I get a chance. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: it's a struggle with something you always have to be

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Speaker 1: aware of. But again, I think if you are contacting

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Speaker 1: it will happen organically where you're not favoring one party

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the there's an argument. Bill Simmons tweeted the other day,

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Speaker 2: you know about God, the pettiness by the Crafts has

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Speaker 1: They can be? I know that Robert Kraft wants to

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people. And frankly, I've heard this

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting anytime somebody passes. I don't worry

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Speaker 2: But I do think about Belichick. Where do we put Spygate?

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Speaker 2: that spygate as you look at Belichick's dynasty has run,

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Speaker 1: I do not think it ruins his legacy. I think

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately that didn't happen, and Bill faced that team.

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Speaker 1: And I got this from three guys in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: a lot of times when guys like him take responsibility

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Speaker 1: It was none of that, and I got that from

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Speaker 2: No, that was portrayed in Dynasty that they were pissed off.

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Speaker 1: But Belichick told them the Giants have now moved ahead

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Speaker 1: of us this week in practice, and he was right. Ian.

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Speaker 2: Peter King retired this week, and you had a line

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Speaker 2: You also have a great understanding intellect with baseball, but

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Speaker 1: that performance, and even if he played, but I do

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Speaker 1: think if he played some of those guys Lazarre, it

431
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Speaker 1: certainly would have been better. And Cobb, I think would

432
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Speaker 1: have been more useful, and Hackett would have been better.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't be any worse. So that was just being

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Speaker 1: in that building that night when he got hurt. I've

435
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Speaker 1: just never been in a building where there was that

436
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Speaker 1: sort of heartbreak in a crowd. I just it was unfathomable,

437
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: But only the Jets. That was an only New York

438
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Speaker 1: Jet moment. And so here's the thing. The Red Sox

439
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Speaker 1: fans before two thousand and four thought they could never

440
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Speaker 1: ever win another World Series, particularly after what happened in

441
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Speaker 1: two thousand and three when Aaron Boone walked them off

442
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Speaker 1: in Game seven. The franchise that had tormented them for

443
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Speaker 1: decades did it again in two thousand and three. They

444
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Speaker 1: come back their downh three in two thousand and four,

445
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Speaker 1: and they win the whole thing, the end the Curse

446
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Speaker 1: of the Bambino the Cubs in twenty sixteen. Those fans

447
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Speaker 1: thought it's never going to happen, and it did happen.

448
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Speaker 1: So at some point, haunted franchises usually will break through.

449
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Speaker 1: So is it possible that the Jets had to bottom

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Speaker 1: out with this horrific season? Seven to ten doesn't sound terrible,

451
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Speaker 1: but that was a terrible season. The only saving grace

452
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Speaker 1: was beating Belichick, breaking that fifteen game winning streak he

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Speaker 1: had against the Jets and sending him out of Foxboro

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Speaker 1: with a loss. Other than that, it was a disaster.

455
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Speaker 1: And it felt more like four and thirteen. So is

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Speaker 1: it possible they bought them out and they come back

457
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Speaker 1: and they have the season that they were supposed to

458
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Speaker 1: have last year This coming season, maybe go eleven and

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Speaker 1: six with an easier schedule and lower expectations and win

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Speaker 1: a game or two in the tournament. I think that's

461
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Speaker 1: feasible winning the whole thing. It's going to happen at

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Speaker 1: some point, hopefully. I think you and I are about the

463
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Speaker 1: same age. Hopefully when we're alive that that will happen.

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Speaker 1: I really want to see that happen. It doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be this coming season, and it probably won't be,

466
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Speaker 1: But the New York Jets winning a Super Bowl again

467
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Speaker 1: for the first time since January sixty nine, for the

468
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Speaker 1: first time since Neil Armstrong stepped on the moon, would

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Speaker 1: be the biggest sports story in my forty plus years

470
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Speaker 1: of covering sports in New York. I think I think

471
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Speaker 1: it's bigger than Messia in ninety four. I think it

472
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Speaker 1: would become bigger than Nameath in Super Bowl three, although

473
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Speaker 1: that change professional football just because of the media age

474
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Speaker 1: we live in. Just think of how big if they

475
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Speaker 1: wanted this coming season with Aaron Rodgers at age forty one.

476
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Speaker 1: In December, he turns forty one, coming off in Achilles.

477
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Speaker 1: That would be I think that would be the biggest

478
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Speaker 1: story in my thirty eighth to forty years of doing

479
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Speaker 1: sports in New York.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I know you have there are certain boundaries

481
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Speaker 2: you want to protect on this Aaron Rodgers book. Is

482
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Speaker 2: he willing to talk? Can I ask that.

483
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Speaker 1: He did talk to me recently? I visited him for

484
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Speaker 1: a couple hours and it was very healthy, I think,

485
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Speaker 1: a respectful give and take. I don't know how he'd

486
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Speaker 1: classify it, but yeah, and it wasn't Listen, I would

487
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: have loved ten hours with the guy. So it wasn't

488
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Speaker 1: like full cooperation. This is an unauthorized book. It's my book,

489
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Speaker 1: not his, And so it's more like, after all these interviews,

490
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Speaker 1: let's check some facts here. I want to make sure

491
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Speaker 1: I'm getting things right. And it was a sit down.

492
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Speaker 1: That was the spirit of it. And I was grateful

493
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Speaker 1: that he did and he certainly didn't owe me anything.

494
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Speaker 1: So I recently did that, and so I think it

495
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: will be a definitive and fair and honest and accurate

496
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Speaker 1: account of who he is, why he is, the way

497
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Speaker 1: he is, and I had so many people, Peter King

498
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Speaker 1: one of them, the best ever. I think Peter is

499
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: the best ever at what he does. So he knows

500
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but I don't know him. And I think

501
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: there's so many really smart football people who told me

502
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: they don't feel like they've got a firm grasp on

503
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Speaker 1: who he is. So that was my objective was to

504
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: try to explain who he is and hopefully I pulled

505
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Speaker 1: it off.

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Speaker 2: Let me throw something at you that, you know years ago.

507
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Speaker 2: I can remember my dad, who was more of a

508
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Speaker 2: Reagan Conservative. You know, it was considered healthy. It could

509
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Speaker 2: be Abby Hoffman, it could be anybody that pushed back

510
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Speaker 2: on the authority that was considered sort of healthy. It

511
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: was mostly left leaners against authority, against wealth, against power.

512
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Speaker 1: Now you know, the.

513
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Speaker 2: Conservatives would argue, we're pushing back against power, and power

514
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: is not only our government, but it's the media in

515
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Speaker 2: Silicon Valley, which is there's certainly a point there to

516
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Speaker 2: be made when I have tried to do psych one

517
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Speaker 2: on one with Aaron Rodgers. I've said this on the air.

518
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Speaker 2: I'm not a psychologist, but he pushed back on his

519
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: parents in religion. He pushed back on authority in Green Bay.

520
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Speaker 2: He has pushed back on the vaccine, He's pushed back

521
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: on media, He's pushed back. He's a bit of a contrarian.

522
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Speaker 2: That maybe he is, you know, he's our modern day rebel.

523
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: Is that if you look at his personality, what he

524
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Speaker 2: does is constantly push back on conventional mandates, conventional wisdom,

525
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Speaker 2: conventional authority. That's my interpretation. He just pushes back on groupings. Now,

526
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Speaker 2: sometimes group think is correct. I think people should have

527
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Speaker 2: taken the vaccine if they were older, right, kids, maybe

528
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Speaker 2: not as much. Is that a fair or reasonable interpretation

529
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Speaker 2: of what you're discovering? Is that, you know, he's never married,

530
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Speaker 2: No kids, may not. You know, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: his pet situation. He's really an independent guy. He's wealthy,

532
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: good looking, older, He's got his worldview. It's a lot

533
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Speaker 2: like Joe Rogan's. They're both talented. But he basically just

534
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: pushes back an authority. Maybe one of the reasons he's

535
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Speaker 2: not married. He doesn't want to conform, and that's his personality,

536
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Speaker 2: that's his id.

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Speaker 1: Is that reasonable reasonable? He certainly pushes his pack on

538
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Speaker 1: an awful lot of fronts, and I think growing up

539
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: in a very strict religious household is certainly part of it,

540
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Speaker 1: maybe the beginning of when you grow up in a

541
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Speaker 1: household like that, I think, maybe naturally later on, and

542
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Speaker 1: he goes to Cow, this liberal global institution, people from

543
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Speaker 1: all over the world, and he's experiencing different cultures and

544
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Speaker 1: backgrounds and ethnicities and races, and you grew up into

545
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Speaker 1: town overwhelmingly white, and so I think you start to

546
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Speaker 1: see it, maybe a cal cal Berkeley, and I think

547
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: he starts pushing back, maybe against the religious upbringing, and

548
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: that leads to other pushback. I think that's a reasonable

549
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: interpretation of the journey of his life and where he

550
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Speaker 1: is right now. And I think that's, you know, the

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Speaker 1: one thing about him that I admire, even though I

552
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Speaker 1: don't agree with with everything he says, is he's he

553
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Speaker 1: is pretty fearless. He's not afraid to confront opposition and

554
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Speaker 1: to say unpopular things and to deal with the consequences

555
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Speaker 1: of those things. And I think that's an admirable trade.

556
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Speaker 1: I don't think that he's doing it just for that reason,

557
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Speaker 1: just to push back. I do think he believes in

558
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Speaker 1: what he says, but I think that's a it's a

559
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Speaker 1: good read on the Journey of Aaron Rodgers, and I

560
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Speaker 1: did ask him some QUI for instance, when he said

561
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Speaker 1: I'd been immunized, and then he got killed for that

562
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: later on, of course, when it came out that he

563
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: did not get the vaccine, and he explained why he

564
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Speaker 1: said what he said, and he was allergic to an

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Speaker 1: ingredient in Maderna and Pfizer and also concerned about the

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Speaker 1: side effects, the reported alleged side effects of the Johnson

567
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Speaker 1: and Johnson shot. Is why didn't you just say that

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Speaker 1: in August of that year when he gave that press

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Speaker 1: conference instead of saying I've been immunized and sort of

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Speaker 1: misleading people. And I thought his answer to that, which

571
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Speaker 1: I'd like to say for the book, was very interesting,

572
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Speaker 1: And because if I were sitting there as a columnist,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel Colin about vaccines. And

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Speaker 1: I got vaccinated, but I put myself sort of in

575
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Speaker 1: the middle on it, because I do think it was

576
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Speaker 1: not quite as effective as it was advertised, and I

577
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Speaker 1: got COVID twice. And so I said, if you gave

578
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Speaker 1: that explanation about being allergic and also being concerned about

579
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Speaker 1: side effects, I actually I think that's a reasonable explanation,

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Speaker 1: I would have accepted it. Unlike Kyrie Irving, who could

581
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Speaker 1: not play because of the mandate of New York. You

582
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Speaker 1: could play with that position. And my biggest problem with

583
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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving is what he was doing to his teammates

584
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Speaker 1: and particularly Kevin Durant, but also to middle and bottom

585
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Speaker 1: of the roster players whose careers were being affected and

586
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Speaker 1: could be elevated by winning a championship that they had

587
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Speaker 1: no chance of winning with him not playing. So Aaron

588
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers didn't have to deal with that. He was eligible

589
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Speaker 1: to play with the position of not taking the vaccine.

590
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Speaker 1: But I think if I were sitting there as a

591
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Speaker 1: columnist and he gave the explanation he gave months later,

592
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Speaker 1: I would have thought that was reasonable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's New York. Sports is really interesting.

594
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Speaker 2: I was talking about this to a friend. There's been

595
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: a convergence of sports entertainment for thirty years now. It's

596
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: jet fueled. We all know it. You know, athletes moved

597
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: to California. They all get production companies in Los Angeles

598
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: right now, in California as a whole, but Los Angeles,

599
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: our coaches are stars Harbaugh, Lincoln Riley, Sean McVay. Our

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks are stars, Stafford Herbert shohe O, Tani, Mookie Betts,

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Speaker 2: Freddie Freeman. You can go down the line. We've done

602
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Speaker 2: this a couple of times. We have a Bosa pass

603
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Speaker 2: rusher in LA and they got one in San Francisco,

604
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Speaker 2: Steph Curry, Draymond Green. The state of California and specifically

605
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. We go about twenty deep. I mean, Cooper

606
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: Cup doesn't make the top eighteen. Like it's insane. New

607
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: York right now has Aaron Judge, Aaron Rodgers, kind of

608
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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson, and it's weird. It's a moneyed city, it's

609
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Speaker 2: a major market. It's well capitalized, like California, it's heavily

610
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: there's a heavy burden on taxing.

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Speaker 1: We have better weather.

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Speaker 2: But I got into this discussion and I'm with Jason

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Speaker 2: McIntyre on my show. We've talked about on air and

614
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: off air. New York has been in about a seven

615
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: eight year star drought and I can't explain it. Chicago's

616
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: going through a lot of the same stuff. Ian La

617
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: is not, you know, Dallas is not, Miami is not.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's taxes, weather, but right now,

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Speaker 2: there is something in New York. I just feel like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like Jalen Brunson is the most

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Speaker 2: trustable athlete in the city. Like I know his personality Villanova,

622
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: he plays DFA. I love Jalen Brunson. I think he's terrific.

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Speaker 2: I think he's the heart of that city. He's a

624
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: hard working kid, second rounder. But there has been in

625
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Speaker 2: your time in New York. Has there been a six

626
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Speaker 2: or seven year period where it just feels like everything

627
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Speaker 2: is off the rails a little?

628
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Speaker 1: Not like this. It's a good read too. And obviously

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Speaker 1: the last championship was what of the major men's sports,

630
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: the last championship was the Giants in twenty eleven. And

631
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: the Giants have played a grand total of three playoff

632
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: games since that Super Bowl victory over the Patriots, and

633
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: they got destroyed in two of them. And then, of course,

634
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones beat Kirk Cousins on the road a couple

635
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: of years ago, and that was that. But you're right,

636
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: and Aaron Judge is homegrown. He was drafted by the

637
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Yankee so it wasn't like they got him. Aaron Rodgers

638
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: was interesting because there weren't a lot of suitors, and

639
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: he looked at it. Okay, I think he looked at

640
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: it this way. Where could I go? Where if I

641
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: win a championship, my legacy could explode and I could

642
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: get back into that Brady stratosphere. And that was the Jets.

643
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Speaker 1: And so unlike far who didn't want to go to

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Speaker 2: You know the newspaper industry. LA Times now has eighteen

689
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: people on staff. We have eight pro teams. That's insane.

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Speaker 2: I mean, high school football in La is substantial. We

691
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Speaker 2: have USC UCLA. I mean it's a tiny, tiny, granular

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Speaker 2: sports section compared to you know what it was even

693
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Speaker 2: seven eight years ago. And you could certainly write books.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're working on one now, but you you

695
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Speaker 2: still do columnist work, and I know it's not just

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Speaker 2: for income. Do you still like the newspaper part of it?

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Speaker 2: Are you turned off by a lot of the information

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Speaker 2: that's often hijacked from you ends up on blogs. Nobody

699
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: gets credit is for somebody that's been doing this for

700
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Speaker 2: forty years at a high level. How do you view

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Speaker 2: your industry.

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Speaker 1: I still actually like holding a newspaper and reading, and

703
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: it's like I still like holding a book and reading

704
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Speaker 1: a book instead of reading a book on kindle. But

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00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't rage against technology, and I certainly use all

706
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Speaker 1: those social media tools to consume information and read. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I will always be a newspaper person at heart, without question.

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Speaker 1: And so there were very few of us left, and

709
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Speaker 1: that's fine, that's that's the way it goes. The industry

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Speaker 1: is entirely different. When I entered it, the goal was

711
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Speaker 1: to become a columnist. Now columnists really don't exist. Any

712
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: general commists anyway, There are very few left. And so

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Speaker 1: when I talk to kids coming out of college and

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Speaker 1: I say, now, if you want the most visibility and

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Speaker 1: the most money, and you're in the print game, it's

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Speaker 1: about being a twenty four to seven insider. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you are a feature writer slash calmness journalist at heart,

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Speaker 1: you can still do it and you can make a living.

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Speaker 1: But obviously, when you look at where the business is

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Speaker 1: right now, it's well, what you do. You're one of

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Speaker 1: the all time greats at what you do, Colin, and

722
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Speaker 1: so very few people are going to do it at

723
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Speaker 1: that level. But I'm talking about sort of more rank

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Speaker 1: and file and writers, calmness who become TV personalities. The

725
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Speaker 1: way to get there, to get to the top, to

726
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Speaker 1: get the most visibility, to get on TV is really

727
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Speaker 1: to break news and just be a twenty four to

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Speaker 1: you look at chapter, you look at rapaport and charms

730
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Speaker 1: and others and so. But if you don't want to

731
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Speaker 1: do that, you can still make a good living. But

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Speaker 1: that is the best way to get become an expert

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Speaker 1: in something. And like me, I think I'm known as

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Speaker 1: somebody who knows a little bit about everything. But maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm known years ago as a basketball guy and then

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Speaker 1: a golf guy later and then an NFL guy. But

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Speaker 1: bouncing around is not going to get you to the

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Speaker 1: to the top. It's becoming an expert at something. And

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Speaker 1: that's us it the advice I give.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I view you as a storyteller. I think you're

741
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Speaker 2: a great American sports storyteller, and that's what I value. Yeah,

742
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Speaker 2: I mean your books. I've read them all and I

743
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: can't wait for this. Aaron Rodgers, that's a really you

744
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: know part of this book writing thing is the topic.

745
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: I tell people this all the time in my business.

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Speaker 2: You can be the greatest sports talk show host of

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Speaker 2: all time. You choose hockey, I choose football. I win

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Speaker 2: the segment. It doesn't matter how great you are, howeverage

749
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Speaker 2: I am. Topic matters, and right now I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to read the Aaron Rodgers book.

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: That's a great topic. I can't because nobody's really done

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Speaker 2: the seminal book on him, because he's been a little

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Speaker 2: bit elusive, he's a little bit prickly. He can be

755
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Speaker 2: a tab aloof and he's not that giving.

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Speaker 3: Teammates don't know him.

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Speaker 2: He's not that giving. So do you know the name

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Speaker 2: for it yet?

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Speaker 1: Out of the Darkness? Oh my, the mystery Daron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is sort of the subtitle, but he he has said

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Speaker 1: those words, out of the darkness. I came out of

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Speaker 1: the darkness. It was more last year than I guess

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Speaker 1: this year. But when he went on that darkness retreat

764
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Speaker 1: and came outside, he still wanted to play. Then he

765
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Speaker 1: wanted to play for the Jets. And so the idea

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Speaker 1: is to bring light to the mystery of who he is.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why that title was picked. And so

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Speaker 1: you're not really you're not a huge fan of his

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I first ballot Hall of Famer would

771
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: always choose him over Far But I thought he was

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Speaker 2: more efficient and more of a thinking man's player. I

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Speaker 2: consider him like a Rod or Kevin Durant, an all

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Speaker 2: time talent, not a great leader, a little passive, aggressive.

775
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Speaker 2: Jeter's more leader, Brady's more leader, and I think there's

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Speaker 2: a there's a distinction between the two. I think Lebron

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Speaker 2: has leadership quality. Steph Curry does. I think Kawhi Leonard's

778
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: just great, and so we tend to think quarterbacks all

779
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: have to be great leaders. Manning certainly was. He was

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Speaker 2: very confrontational with Jeff Saturday, Brady with a coordinator Mahomes

781
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Speaker 2: with a coach that's not Aaron. But I do think

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Speaker 2: he's a fascinating personality. He's a content machine. He's a contrarian,

783
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Speaker 2: and I appreciate him. I think he suffers from a

784
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Speaker 2: little bit of that smartest guy in the room disease.

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Speaker 2: Rich single doesn't really have to sacrifice for kids, a family,

786
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you when you're married

787
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Speaker 2: it's a series of sacrifices. I'm willing to do all

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Speaker 2: of them. But it's a different lifestyle than Aaron and

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, Bill Simmons and I have talked

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Speaker 2: about this older richer, handsome, never married. You know, you

791
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Speaker 2: kind of get into your own You get into your

792
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Speaker 2: mirror a lot. You are the son the galaxy and

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Speaker 2: the stars, and I think there's a bit of that

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00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: that's a little over the top. But I respect the

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Speaker 2: hell out of him.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's interesting because the Jets, the players love him

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Speaker 1: to death, and I think most of them did. In

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Speaker 1: who had some negative things to say about him and

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Speaker 1: his leadership style and approach over the years. There's really

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Speaker 1: kind of just those two guys. And I had a

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Speaker 1: prominent NFL figure. I used this quote in the book,

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Speaker 1: but I'll give it to you now. I didn't name

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Speaker 1: the person because he said, listen, I can't stand Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers and everything he stands for, particularly on the vaccine.

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Speaker 1: And this is somebody who's done a lot of business

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Speaker 1: with the Packers and the Jets, prominent NFL figure, and

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00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: he said, but I have to admit I've never met

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Speaker 1: an NFL player who doesn't like so in the locker room.

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00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: He's loved in a lot corners and so Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: was very good for him. I think it became an

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00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers infomercial really in terms of how he connected

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Speaker 1: with players, older players, younger players, and how they responded

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Speaker 1: to him. So we'll see, we'll see how the season

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Speaker 1: plays out. I just want him to be healthy. I

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Speaker 1: just want to see the season. I just want to

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Speaker 1: see him make fifteen starts. And I've never I've covered

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Speaker 1: some of his games here and there, but I've never

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Speaker 1: seen a full Aaron Rodgers season. I'd love to see

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Speaker 1: it in my backyard with the Jets. And if he

821
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Speaker 1: could win a championship with the Jets, which is unlikely,

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Speaker 1: that would do a tremendous amount for his legacy. I

823
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Speaker 1: think right now i'd have him fifth all time on

824
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825
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Speaker 1: to two or three, and with a Super Bowl victory

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Speaker 1: with the Jets, i'd probably putt Well, Brady's won Mahomes two,

827
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Speaker 1: Montana three, Manning four, and I'd have Rogers five. But

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Speaker 1: I think he can move up a step or two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Brady Mahomes, Montana, Peyton l Way, and

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you have more like seven eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have him more like eight. But I always

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Speaker 2: preferred him over far of who I thought was reckless,

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Speaker 2: not as coachable, was more instinct driven, which I understood

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it my way. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: very outdated way to play football. So Ian O'Connor is

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite and I've told him this many times,

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite sports writers, A dogged reporter, exceptional writer.

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Speaker 2: So am I reading this right? I know this is personal,

845
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: but you put it out there A bomb scare on

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Speaker 2: a plane you were recently on. When did this happen?

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Speaker 1: Looks last week? That's when I was flying out to

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Speaker 1: We got well about it an hour and a half

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Speaker 1: into the flight. Pilot comes on and says, we have

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Speaker 1: a situation on board. We need to land his plane.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to land in Chicago. And he didn't

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Speaker 1: say medical situation, so that concerned me. So now we

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Speaker 1: have a situation, and so you're thinking the worst. Is

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Speaker 1: there a serious mechanical problem on the plane. Is it

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Speaker 1: possible we're going to crash? And as we're landing at O'Hare,

857
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Speaker 1: we were coming in pretty hot, so we had no information,

858
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: and we saw the emergency vehicles with their lights flashing.

859
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: So that's not good. You don't want to see that

860
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: when you're coming in pretty hot. And so we landed.

861
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: It was bouncy, but okay, we parked the plane and

862
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: we're far away from the terminal. They did not want

863
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: our plane near that terminal. And then we found out.

864
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: The senior crew member gets on the intercom and says,

865
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: now we can tell you what the situation is. And

866
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: we had somebody go in the bathroom and leave a

867
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: message that there's a bomb on this plane, and so

868
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: we're going to get you off and law enforcement will

869
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: come on and inspect the plane and we'll see what

870
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: where we go from here. Meanwhile, they didn't rush us off,

871
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: so we're thinking that it's possible there's a bomb on

872
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: the plane. We'd like to get off as quickly as possible.

873
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: They finally got us off, They loaded us onto buses.

874
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: They eventually took us to the terminal. We sat there,

875
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: or I did, anyway, for seven hours. They checked the

876
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: plane head to toe and that was it. The interesting

877
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: thing is I ended up taking the same plane from

878
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: O'Hare to Lax seven hours later, and it might have

879
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: been the safest plane in the air because of the

880
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: way it was checked. But that was odd to me

881
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: that I ended up back on that plane and it

882
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: was covered to some degree nationally and locally. But as

883
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: far as they know, nobody was ever arrested. And if

884
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: it was just a hoax, that's a fello in these

885
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: notes in mid air, Okay. So I don't know if

886
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: that's a statement on news outlets and all the cutbacks

887
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: and layoffs in these newsrooms have been completely slashed, and

888
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: there's been I keep checking, How could they're not be

889
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: an arrest, How could there not be any follow up? Nothing?

890
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: Now I understand it. Maybe it's so embarrassing that United

891
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: Airlines or the FAA doesn't want this to get out

892
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: whatever the result was, if it was just a total hoax,

893
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: but I can't believe that. If I weren't so busy

894
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: with my book and I have to get this thing done,

895
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: I would probably turn it into a personal crusade to

896
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: find out what exactly happened. But there's been no follow

897
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: up whatsoever, and it just went away. And I guess

898
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, I'm happy that everybody's safe, but

899
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: somebody did something on that plane to cause that, and

900
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: as far as I know, nothing's coming it.

901
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: Ian O'Connor, God, what a pleasure. Thankfully you landed safely,

902
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: an American hero. You came in hot and landed. By

903
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: the way, I've only been on one bad flight. There

904
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: is nothing worse when you when you're on a hot flight,

905
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: it's bumpy. You gotta get down, not just.

906
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: Get on the ground, right, Just get on the ground,

907
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: that's all.

908
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Speaker 2: Mike Breen's got some all he's flown enough. He's got

909
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: some all time stories as well. In the air I

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Speaker 2: and is always it's a great talking to you.

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Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. Colin. Thanks so much the volume.

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