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Speaker 1: Warning you're about to enter the arena and join the

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Speaker 1: battle to save America with your host Sean Parnell.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Battleground podcast. We are at part two

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Speaker 2: with Secret Service agent retired Secret Service at Secret Service

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Speaker 2: Agent Jeff James. We talked a lot about Jeff's background

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Speaker 2: and his history and why he wanted to join the

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Speaker 2: United States Secret Service, and unexpectedly so, but I think appropriately,

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Speaker 2: we also talked about child trafficking and what you can

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Speaker 2: do to insulate your children and your family from this

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Speaker 2: threat that, frankly, most Americans turn a blind eye to.

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Speaker 2: It's a modern day slave trade in this country every day.

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Speaker 2: Only it's not public. It happens online, behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: But it's a crisis in this country that we can't

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Speaker 2: afford to ignore anymore. So this is part two, So

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Speaker 2: today I want to talk about what Jeff's experience was

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Speaker 2: like protecting presidents of the United States. Jeff, welcome back

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Speaker 2: to part two of Battleground. Thanks for coming back.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I honored to be here again. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so you have.

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Speaker 2: You've done just so much with your career. You're a

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh guy like me, Western Pennsylvania. But I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about how you get selected for and correct me

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Speaker 2: if i'm I'm if I'm not saying this properly, but

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Speaker 2: the Presidential Protection detail on the Secret Service, because that's

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Speaker 2: that's not an assignment that everybody gets, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, you know, the actual number of people who

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Speaker 4: are assigned to the President's details classified, but it is

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Speaker 4: something that not every Secret Service as gets to do.

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Speaker 4: And it's very frankly, something I'm proud I was able

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Speaker 4: to achieve. And it's you know, it happens for you

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Speaker 4: in a couple of ways. You know, they look they

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Speaker 4: look at your assignments prior, they look at you know,

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Speaker 4: recommendations from your bosses, they look at your shooting scores,

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Speaker 4: they look at your PT scores. So there's you know,

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Speaker 4: several components that go into it, and part of it

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Speaker 4: is very frankly, you know, you're a lot of your

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Speaker 4: bosses will have been there and they'll know whether or

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Speaker 4: there are other opportunities. It's not like it's that or nothing.

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Speaker 4: There's the Vice President's detail, there's former president presidential details.

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Speaker 4: There is now it wasn't there when I was in,

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Speaker 4: but now there's an investigative track because the Secret Service

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Speaker 4: has gotten very highly involved in cybersecurity and cyber threats.

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Speaker 3: So there's a track for that now for.

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Speaker 4: Because we do have agents who, in spite of joining

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Speaker 4: the Secret Service decide that the protection side isn't for

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of travel, a lot of time away

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Speaker 4: So so there are other opportunities, but it is something

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Speaker 3: To have done.

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Speaker 2: So how do you let the Secret Service know that

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're in the military and you're you know,

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Speaker 2: Q course and do starland navigation and everything else, and

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Speaker 4: They're not gonna They're not going to force anybody to

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Speaker 4: When I was in you you actually had throughout your

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Speaker 2: Was the sense was there a sense of camaraderie like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and not just in that class of twenty four,

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Speaker 4: case scenario on a mistake is somebody gets hurt. A

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Speaker 4: the president dies or whoever we're protecting. President and vice president,

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Speaker 4: That's the very worst case scenario. So along with the pressure,

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Speaker 2: So what was it like when you make it through

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Speaker 2: Is is there a Secret Service agent in charge? I'm

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Speaker 4: When you come back and you're pretty much spending all

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Speaker 2: I have so many questions based on what you just

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, even though you know the Secret

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Speaker 5: How do you train?

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Speaker 3: Well, we would always get somebody to play the president.

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Speaker 3: To open the door and get them in.

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00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 4: So that's when the protocol changed that somebody always has

437
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 4: the door open. And you'll see even when the president's

438
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 4: walking in a parade, there's going to be somebody.

439
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 3: Right by the door.

440
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes they'll have the door, you know, just with their

441
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: hand chalked open a little bit. But if he's like

442
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 4: when they say all right, we're coming out, like, somebody

443
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 4: has that door wide open, so he could just come

444
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 4: out and go right in. So when President the President

445
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 4: was walking out of the Washington Hilton and the shots

446
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 4: rang out, Jerry Parr, who was the detail leader, just

447
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 4: shoved the President's head down, shoved.

448
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: Him in the car.

449
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: You know, three people were hitting in the fire Officer

450
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 4: Dellahanny A Washington, DC police officer was hit in the

451
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 4: back of the neck. Of course, Jim Brady sustained the

452
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 4: most serious room. He was hitting the forehead and Secret

453
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Speaker 4: Service legend Tim McCarthy, who I spoke to about this,

454
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 4: and he said, you know, I heard the shots, but

455
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 4: I never saw the gun. He said, so I just

456
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 4: turned and tried to make myself a big target. If

457
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: you ever watch the video he does, he turns and

458
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 4: he kind of does this, and he gets shot in

459
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 4: the abdomen as he's the President's right behind him as

460
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 4: mister Parr shoving him into the car. So that would

461
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: have been another hit on the president had Tim not

462
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 4: done that incredibly brave thing. Now, the fluke of it

463
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 4: all was that as the President was being pushed into

464
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 4: the car, you know when you open your car door

465
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 4: and there's that gap between the frame and the window.

466
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 4: John Hinckley's fifth shot hit the side of the limousine

467
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: and it flattened out like a dime, and it ricocheted

468
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 4: into that opening, and as mister Parr was pushing the

469
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 4: President in, the President was in that opening when it

470
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 4: hit him, and the President had put his arms out

471
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 4: to break his fall, and the bullet went into right

472
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 4: under his left arm pit.

473
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's such a terrible place to be shot.

474
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean getting shot is is terrible.

475
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 5: Period.

476
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: But that like when guy, when guys got shot underneath

477
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: where their ib their body armor what I mean, that's it. Yeah,

478
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: no armor there, but oh my god, like that is

479
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: that is crazy.

480
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 4: So what we found is in spite of that lucky

481
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 4: ricochet that Hinckley got that that plan works, you know,

482
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: and and they took so to go back to my

483
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 4: previous story, you know, they throw the president in the

484
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 4: car and they take off.

485
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: Well, the president's doctor, the.

486
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: Military aid, none of them got to the cars, so

487
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 4: the president was essentially isolated from them until they could

488
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 4: get there. And especially if the military aid, it's a

489
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,239
Speaker 4: big deal. So we started to bring those folks out

490
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 4: the docks and military aids and they train with us

491
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 4: just to learn like, hey, we are going like you

492
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: can get in a car, you can get on a car,

493
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 4: but we're going without you, like we're not and we're

494
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: certainly not going to open an armor door to say okay, like.

495
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: That stuff in the movie like good in here like that.

496
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 4: That's and in fact, we really have at least when

497
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: I left, we had no plan to recover our wounded,

498
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: except we always kept an ambulance at the middle, at

499
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 4: the back of the motorcade to help with any collateral damage.

500
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: So as Tim McCarthy got shot that day, and he

501
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: was laying there on the ground, and there were other

502
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: agents who were who were you know, still behind who

503
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 4: were able to render aid. But you know, our focus

504
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: is the president and getting the president of safety and

505
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 4: getting them out of the hot zone.

506
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: It's not it's really not, you know, recovering our own

507
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: at that moment.

508
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: So it's yes, I mean you talked about, you talked

509
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: about you know, how you train and how you frame things.

510
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: You know, you know, it's bad if somebody gets hurt,

511
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: it's worse if the principal gets hurt. Like this might

512
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: seem like a tough question, and I certainly don't mean

513
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: it to come off like that, But was there a

514
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: failure in I mean, despite the heroic actions of the

515
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: agent that day, it certainly didn't seem like.

516
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 5: There was a failure because as I always say, like

517
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 5: look at the enemy gets a vote.

518
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: No matter how great your training is, no matter how

519
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: well prepared you are.

520
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 5: It's like Mike Tyson.

521
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: You know, it's like his quote like everybody has a

522
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: plan until they get until they get punched in the face.

523
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: And so and the key is is how do you

524
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: react when that punch comes and the training kicks and

525
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: the clearly on the day that the assassination attempt had

526
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: that was made on Ronald Reagan's life, the training worked.

527
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I mean, how do you how

528
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: do I guess my question is how do how does

529
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: Secret Service measure success? Do you think that the agents

530
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: that day felt like they let something slip through the cracks?

531
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Speaker 4: Well, so four changes for significant changes were made in

532
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: Secret Service operations based on that one attempt, and I

533
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 4: think maybe there maybe it's something that that should have

534
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: been happening prior to me. You know, maybe there was

535
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 4: conversations about that, like oh, we probably should have done

536
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 4: this all along.

537
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, you re find your tactics techniques and based

538
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: on the situation, you just always have to be that's

539
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: what good units do you evolve? And so it sounds

540
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: like that's what you're talking about, right.

541
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: So the one thing is you will almost never see

542
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: the president come and go in the open, like like

543
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: President Reagan.

544
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: Was that day.

545
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: You know, maybe for brief brief times, like when the

546
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: President goes to Saint John's Church across from the White

547
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 4: House on the other side Lafayette Park, you know you'll

548
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: quickly see him get out and.

549
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: Hop up those those short steps.

550
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 4: But if we can't arrive underground, when I keep saying

551
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: we when if the Secret Service can't take the president

552
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 4: underground to arrive somewhere, uh, they'll build these big tents

553
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 4: they could pull the limousine into. Now they're not ballistic,

554
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 4: but what they do is they eliminate line of sight

555
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 4: because you never know when the president's in the car

556
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: when he's out of the car. So so that's one

557
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: thing that changed, is the president being in the open.

558
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 4: The other thing that changed was John Hinckley was able

559
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 4: to get close enough to the President to shoot him

560
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: because what he did was the press gaggle was there

561
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 4: behind a rope and stanchion and he just went stood

562
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 4: in there with all the press folks. No one told

563
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: him me couldn't be there. So now what we do

564
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: is there's there's an agent always assigned with.

565
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: The press pool.

566
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: He make sure everybody has their hard tag, they're vetted,

567
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you, the press is very good about

568
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 4: policing themselves.

569
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: I was.

570
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: I was a press agent with President Clinton for a

571
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 4: trip to India and oversees the press pool just it's

572
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: eighty ninety people because.

573
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: Foreign press jumps on, and they're very good about.

574
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 4: Like, there was a couple of times people came up

575
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: to me and tapped me and they're like, hey, none

576
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: of us know this guy over here in the red shirt.

577
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: And we'd be able to be like, Okay, you don't

578
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: belong here, or we'd find out, you know, he'd be like,

579
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: oh crap, my credential, and then we'd know, like we'd

580
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: go verify who he was and things like that. The

581
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: other change was I mentioned that the you know, when

582
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: the people were wounded, you Officer Della Handy, mister Brady

583
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: and agent McCarthy. You know, they had to call ambulances,

584
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: and you know, ambulances come rolling in. You know, it's

585
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: after the facts. So now, like I said, we keep

586
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: that one ambulance with the with the motorcade, Well, there's

587
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: actually a couple ones dedicated just to the president, and

588
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: then the one at the back will be for any

589
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: collateral damage that might happen. And then and then the

590
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: other part is, and this was in play already, like

591
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: the snipers are there, but now like our snipers also

592
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: are there for intel movements, which wasn't always happening at

593
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: that point in nineteen eighty, but now we utilize our

594
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: snipers everywhere to give us that big bubble over the

595
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: top and not that it would have been appropriate for

596
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: that because of.

597
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: The crowd and everything moving around.

598
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but those are those are some of the changes

599
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: we made to just like, Okay, we've had this event,

600
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: how do we mitigate this event from ever happening again.

601
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's what great, That's what the best

602
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: of the best tactical units do. I mean, you know,

603
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: and I asked the question because I bet you in

604
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: the wake of that there were some Secret Service agents

605
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: that were kicking themselves just because I know how men

606
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: and women act in those scenarios. They if they're in

607
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: an elite position like that, then you're a true believer

608
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: of your mission. And I mean I had I had

609
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: guys Jeff that you know, found themselves in you know,

610
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: the center of a kill zone of an ambush and afterwards,

611
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: I mean, they fought a fight, they get themselves and

612
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: their men out alive, and afterwards they're kicking themselves for

613
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: finding themselves in the situation in the first place. And

614
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 2: I always found myself saying, like, this is not your fault.

615
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: You know, the enemy gets to vote. Like our job, Yeah,

616
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: our job is to prepare and train and do everything

617
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: we can to mitigate that punch when when the enemy

618
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: throws a punch, But to mitigate that And yeah, I

619
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: just wondered if the secret service was if you know,

620
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: if you found yourself.

621
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Speaker 5: Well being competitive.

622
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's it sounds silly to phrase it as competition,

623
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: but you are, I mean the state a life and death,

624
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: but you are competing.

625
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: Well. One of the men I talked to who was

626
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: working that day and I.

627
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: Was so when I when I did my first master's degree,

628
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: my culminating project was about how the law changed after

629
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: that because John Hinckley was found not guilty by reason

630
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: of insanity, so they changed the insanity defense.

631
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: And that's a long story.

632
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: So I talked to all the men and women who

633
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: were involved that day, and one of them was Bob Wonko,

634
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 4: who sadly.

635
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: Just passed away last week.

636
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: But he's the guy you might see the pictures he's

637
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: holding up the UZI and he's directing people.

638
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

639
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: And when I talked to him, one of the things

640
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: he said was he was po to himself that he

641
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 4: didn't get to the cars. But he said, once I

642
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: realized I wasn't going to get there, I got the

643
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: sub machine gun out. And now my assignment is we

644
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: didn't know if John Hinckley acted alone. It's during the

645
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: Cold War. There might be a team of Russian commando's

646
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: coming down the street. I'm going to protect my fellow agents.

647
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: You know, I'm ready to go. That's my new mission.

648
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: But he said he was, and this was, you know,

649
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: decades later, and he's like, I'm still so ticked off

650
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: of myself that I didn't get to the cars. But

651
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: uh yeah, So there's that, you know, there's that uh

652
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: that competition when you get it right, you know. And

653
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: and and I'll tell you the one thing I I

654
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: still appreciate so much now is the uh that training

655
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: piece that the Secret Service put in me, that that

656
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: never stopping, even the mental reps. You know, read an

657
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: article not too long ago that said, by the time

658
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: you're thirty five, ninety percent of your day is habit

659
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: and routine and you think.

660
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: About it, it's really true.

661
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: Like your coffee is the same every morning, you know,

662
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: you eat at the same time every day. And but

663
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: a corresponding article to that I read is about this

664
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: reflexive and reflective mind that you have. That you know,

665
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: your reflective mind can slow you down and the moments

666
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: of tension where you get the tunnel vision and you

667
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 4: don't react even though your reflexive mind is kicking in.

668
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: Well you can, you know, even through reps of just

669
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 4: like I put out to my men and women here

670
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: all the time about you know, we see officers getting

671
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: attacked in their cruisers. You know, take some time before

672
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: you go on shift, empty your handgun so you're doing

673
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: it safely, and sit in your car and just make

674
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: sure you can draw while you're sitting in your cruiser,

675
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: like make sure you can protect yourself. Practice that dry fire,

676
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: like if you can't get to the range, dry fire.

677
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 4: Because all these things we do, these mental reps, you

678
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: can speed up that ooda loop, you know, the oot

679
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: of the observe, orient the side act that loop when

680
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: you're in those moments attention, you can speed that up

681
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: just through mental reps. So you know, I'm glad that

682
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: the Secret Service put that in me. I got some

683
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 4: great training from some great trainers and and that stuff.

684
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 4: You know, I really want to pass on to my

685
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: men and women here about you know, just if you

686
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: can't do it, think about it, you know, and practice

687
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: in your head and do the mental reps too. So

688
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: so I'm glad I was I'm glad I was given

689
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 4: that gift.

690
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean it is an incredible It is

691
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 5: an incredible gift. And your your your officers that serve

692
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 5: with you or.

693
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: They're lucky to have that knowledge and you you're there

694
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: to pass it along to them, you know, because it

695
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: could save lives. And ultimately, I hate to say it,

696
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: but it's complacency does kill if you find yourself like routine,

697
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: especially in a tactical scenario where an enemy is watching

698
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: what you do and your patterns, and you know, hey,

699
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: if you're walking in and out of your house at

700
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: the same time every day, you know, you know, back

701
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: here at home is not a big deal. But if

702
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: you're the president of the United States and people want

703
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: to do you harm, or you're in combat where an

704
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: enemy wants to kill you like that, that's not a

705
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: good thing, you know, So getting complacent like that and

706
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: just allowing yourself to fall into those patterns can get

707
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: can get people hurt and killed.

708
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell them all time too. You know, take

709
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: training personally. You know there's that person there that you know,

710
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: all the statistics tell us that police shootings take take

711
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 4: place within about five feet, right, you're never really a

712
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: lot of times, never more than a few yards away

713
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: from your enemy. But I tell them, you know that

714
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: person wants to kill you, whether they're three yards away

715
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: or whether they are one hundred feet away, Like, are

716
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: you going to be able to neutralize that threat?

717
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: Like?

718
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: You know, think again, it's think about practice and then

719
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know I read your book. You know

720
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: you guys are being watched all the time on your

721
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: on your maneuvers, and you knew, you knew it was

722
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: just going to be a matter of time till you

723
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: got attacked, and you put in your head every day,

724
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: this is a date it's going to happen, so you're

725
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: ready for it, and you're you're here to tell a

726
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: story because of that, So you know, I.

727
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: It's why everything you say resonates with me personally, even

728
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: though our jobs and our missions were so so very different.

729
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: But I mean, you're clearly doing it the right way

730
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: in the Secret Service. And so I want to ask

731
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: you about a couple of things. Is that maybe didn't

732
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: go the way of the Secret Service. But ask you

733
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: about a scenario JFK. I mean, millions of people, millions

734
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: of theories on what happened there, But give me, give

735
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: me a sense, your sense of someone who's protected presidents

736
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: what happened with the JFK assassination and it's just your opinion.

737
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the first thing that happened, and again blessed

738
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: and fortunate to be in a position to have met

739
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: and had a couple of conversations with Clint Hill, who

740
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 4: was the guy who jumped on the back of the

741
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: limousine and pushed pushed missus h Missus Kennedy back in

742
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 4: the car. He was actually assigned to protect her, and

743
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: in talking to him, one of one of the things

744
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: he told me that stuck with me was, you know,

745
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: they didn't everybody knows the ear pieces, right, the ear

746
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: pieces and the races we talk to each other. He

747
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 4: said they didn't even have that. He said they would

748
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: be walking along the limits, you know, beside the limousine

749
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 4: as the President was going, and they would use they'd

750
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: knock on the side of the limousine to signal each other,

751
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 4: or they would just have to like yell to each other.

752
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: So they were so far behind the eight ball. Technologically,

753
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: the counter sniper program hadn't been developed yet because Secret

754
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: Service snipers were the only snipers in the United States

755
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: don't I don't know about international teams, but they're the

756
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: only law enforcement snipers in the United States that don't

757
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 4: need a Green Knight authorization from a supervisor to use

758
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: deadly force. If they see a threat, they could neutralize

759
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: a threat. So that day in Dallas, as soon as

760
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: that barrel would have come out the window of the

761
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: school book depository, if that happened today, it would be neutralized.

762
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 4: But that wasn't an asset in place yet. And then

763
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 4: of course the president riding in an open car again,

764
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: something that you know, you really didn't see much after that.

765
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 4: You'd see some of them, you know, you have pictures

766
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 4: of them outside of the sun roof, you know, waving.

767
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: And parades and stuff.

768
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: But so those three things put the Secret Service so

769
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: far behind the eight ball, and that regardless of what

770
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 4: conspiracy you think if you think it was Lee rv

771
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: oswant enact alone, or if you think it was a

772
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: CIA team or the mafia, it was it was ripe

773
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: for success by the bad guys because at that point

774
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: the Secret Service, all they really had to mitigate that

775
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: threat was getting between that bullet and the president.

776
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: There really wasn't much.

777
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: How do you I mean how I mean talk about

778
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: maybe this is the wrong way to say it, so

779
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: if it is, for forgive me if but but I

780
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 2: mean talk about being set up for failure?

781
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you're you're in a parade, You're in

782
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 5: a city, there's a million windows all around you, there's

783
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 5: people lying in the streets.

784
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: You're a slow moving Yeah, it's slow moving. It's slow

785
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: moving target. You have a difficult you don't have comms,

786
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: You're you're you're knocking on cars to communicate with each other,

787
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: and it's chaos. It's chaos. So how do even if

788
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: you're knocking, how do you really know? I mean, how

789
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: do you even how do you know?

790
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 5: Why do you hear?

791
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: I just feel like, how do you how does the

792
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: Secret Service? How do you even protect something like that?

793
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: To begin with? You know, even today, even today, if

794
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: the President's gonna You know, when you see presidents go

795
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: and visit Iraq and Afghanistan, Yes, they fly out in

796
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: Air Force one in the middle of the night. No

797
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: one knows they're going there. But you know there are

798
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: a million local nationals working on these forward operating bases

799
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: that all of them could be a threat at any

800
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: given time. How do you secure any of that? I mean,

801
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: it's just the whole. It just seems like a herculean task.

802
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be, but that's why we One of

803
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: the things we.

804
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 4: Do with our advanced teams is, you know, you're really

805
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: only in charge of this much during an advance.

806
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: So if if the President was coming to.

807
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 4: I don't pick a place in the Hilton downtown Pittsburgh

808
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 4: to give a speech, like, I would be in charge

809
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: of securing the hi and that's all I would do.

810
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: I would tell you how many post standers I needed.

811
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: I'd say, all right, this is where we're coming in,

812
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 4: this is a you know the route he's going to walk.

813
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: This is how many people I need to secure it.

814
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: Then someone else is in charge of the motorcade to

815
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: get him there, and someone else is in charge like

816
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: then we have our our guys who our uniform housers

817
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 4: who run the metal detectors. They'll come out to decide

818
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: how many metal detectors we need. Then we have our

819
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: sniper team. Then we have our counter assault team, who's

820
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: like our swat team that travels with them.

821
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: So the reason I'm saying that is.

822
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: You only are in charge of this much because it

823
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: would really get away from you if you try to

824
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: do more. And that's when mistakes are going to be made.

825
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: You know, you do have a lead agent who's in

826
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: charge of everything. They're like the they lias with the

827
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: staff about how it's going to look, and you know,

828
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 4: the fine finer tune things like some big picture stuff

829
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 4: but also some smaller stuff it and it really is

830
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: just the idea of what we tried to make everywhere

831
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 4: the president went as safe as the White House was,

832
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 4: knowing that we were most vulnerable during the motorcades. In fact,

833
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: when we got hold in the early right after the

834
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: war started, we got hold of one of the al

835
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: Kada training manuals. It actually said in there that one

836
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 4: of the stupid things Americans did was put the president

837
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: in a car and drive him from place to place,

838
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: And they used the Arabic word for safe. They said,

839
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: they take him out of the safe, out of the

840
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 4: White House, and they put him in a car and

841
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: drive him around you know where it's it's I mean,

842
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: he's the people's president, right, he has to get out.

843
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: He has to do that.

844
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: But we knew we were most vulnerable in the motorcades,

845
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 4: so we you know, the cars are heavily armored. We

846
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: were moving fast. You know, we had a lot of

847
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: assets in the motorcade. They're actually you know, I sound

848
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: like a jerk sayings, but they're classified that we could

849
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 4: usiz if we had to. But then when we got

850
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: to that next stop, we had the confidence in the

851
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: advanced team that it was it was as secure as as.

852
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: The White House was. We were taking the president of the

853
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: safest place possible.

854
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's so fascinating, Jeffy, you

855
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, again speaking of someone in the

856
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: military unit, this is what when people say that your

857
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: life is in the hands of others, and you you

858
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: trust that person, you put you actively place your life

859
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: sometimes in the hands of your brother or sister who's

860
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: out there with you.

861
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 5: On the line.

862
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: But it's no different when you're you know, mobilizing a president.

863
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: You're in a convoy one hundred miles an hour down

864
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: the freeway.

865
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: You're in a vulnerable position.

866
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: But you know that when you arrive on site that

867
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: the ad on guys, the guys that were supposed to

868
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: prep a site for the president coming in, do their

869
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: job and you just trust that it happens.

870
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: It sounds like yeah, and and you know that that

871
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: kind of permeates all through law enforcement. You know, like

872
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: the men and women I work with, you know, I

873
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: you know, I trust if something happens today and I

874
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: go down there, they're gonna they're gonna drag me to

875
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 4: where I need to go right, They're gonna, they're gonna

876
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: render aid. They're gonna they're gonna help me. You know,

877
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: they're going to be right behind me if you know,

878
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 4: bullets start to fly or I'm going to be right

879
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: behind them. You know, that's that mutual support. So I

880
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: think that permeates all the enforcement. Not that you don't

881
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 4: have personalities like and I tell them, I'm very frank

882
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 4: about this, Like I worked with people in the Secret

883
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 4: Service that I wouldn't have dinner with, but I knew

884
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: that if they were working the six o'clock position on

885
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 4: me that I never had to turn around and check,

886
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 4: like I knew they had it. So, you know, sometimes

887
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: personalities aside where where the rubber met the road was

888
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 4: in those moments of those assignments, it was getting done.

889
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 5: M hmm.

890
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: Let me ask you about another scenario, Jeff. It's twenty twenty.

891
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: It's the Summer of Love. There's thousands of people outside

892
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: the White House shaking the fence. They've got some mock

893
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: guillotine cutting off the head of the president. They're burning

894
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: fires everywhere. Uniform Secret Service officers are getting hurt. Put

895
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: me in the shoes of the Secret Service in the

896
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: White House.

897
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 5: What are you thinking?

898
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: I mean because watching that as a military guy, right,

899
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, how the hell is a Secret Service going

900
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: to get a wrap on this? I mean, if these

901
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: people breach this gate and run to the White House,

902
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: there's no way they can stop all of them.

903
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

904
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 4: Well, I did some media when that happened, and the

905
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: one thing I said then that I will repeat now

906
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: is I would put my back to the White House

907
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: and I would be there until I ran out of

908
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: ammunition or until a bullet went.

909
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: Through my head. Like that was just going to be

910
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: it now.

911
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 4: It goes beyond evacuating the president. Like we could take

912
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: the president, we can get him out and people would

913
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: never know. But we were never going to let eighteen

914
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: fourteen happen again, where the British came in and burned

915
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: down the White House. That was never going to be

916
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: an option.

917
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

918
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 4: The White House is a symbol of our democracy. It's

919
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: a worldwide symbol our democracy, and we're not going to

920
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 4: let anybody put a hand on it. So that was

921
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: that was how I felt then, and that's that's how

922
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: I feel now, And I gotta I gotta believe that

923
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: everybody else, the uniform guys and gals and the agents

924
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 4: that were there that day, and even the people who

925
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: came in when they weren't supposed to that they came

926
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: in because that's how they felt.

927
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: So go one step further. So a couple of days later,

928
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: things died down, but there are still a million protesters

929
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: in and around the Capitol and the White House, and

930
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: President Trump, along with Milly and all the Secretary of Defense,

931
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: walks out to walk to Saint John. They just just

932
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: just try to burn down Saint John's historic church, and

933
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: the President walks out and open air, because you just

934
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: said in this episode, like we don't it's we don't

935
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: really like the president doing that. But president walks out

936
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 2: with an open air to stand at Saint Saint John's church.

937
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: What are you thinking about that? How do you how

938
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: do you protect against that?

939
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so at some point we have to leave the

940
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: comfort zone. Right if life would be easy if the

941
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: President never left the White House. So at some point,

942
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: you know, we have to use.

943
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 4: Our training and we have to say, all right, we

944
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: trust our snipers, we trust our spotters.

945
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 3: Who are you know, we have.

946
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 4: Agents who assigned as counter sniper response who if somebody

947
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 4: sees a window open, they react to it as well.

948
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: You know, we trust our outer perimeter to not let

949
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: any cars in. So you are, you are leaning a

950
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: lot on the trust of people.

951
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: But again it's that it's that idea that you know,

952
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: I know, nobody's gonna nobody's gonna break down intentionally, but

953
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 4: there is a breakdown, it'll be communicated and you know,

954
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 4: we can move the president if we have to, But

955
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: in those moments, it's you know, when you come out

956
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: of that sterile environment and into a place where he

957
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 4: really needs to be protected, and those times you really

958
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: get to use your training.

959
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 3: It's it's a little bit.

960
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: Of a thrill, you know, actually to you know, to

961
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: be able to say you you know, you were there

962
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 4: in those moments. And and I remember one time, I

963
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: forget what year it was, but President Bush was walking

964
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 4: in the parade, Saint Patrick's dy Parade in Chicago, and

965
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 4: that stuff's mostly scripted, right, So the president, we tell

966
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: them you'll get out of the Mizzine at this point,

967
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 4: and you'll get back in at this point, and anybody

968
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: who's in those zones will have been through metal detectors.

969
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: On the President's side, he wanted to keep walking, so

970
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 4: he went past the zone where people had been through

971
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 4: bags and and you know, some people didn't like it,

972
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: and you know, you hear the chatter on the radio

973
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 4: about hey, somebody getting back in.

974
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: Somebody got back in. But you know, but it is

975
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: those moments where we get to use our training and

976
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: we you.

977
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: Know, we come back to the the basics of you know,

978
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: get your head on a swivel.

979
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: You know what you're looking for.

980
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: You're looking for those furtive movements, You're looking for those

981
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: things that are out of place. You're looking for somebody

982
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 4: trying to get over the barrier, all the you know,

983
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 4: all the stuff you're looking for that, you know, really

984
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: being able to lean on that and lean on each

985
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 4: other was you know, at those times where you're not

986
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: in that sterile environment, it's like I said, a.

987
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: Little bit of a thrill. You know, you get that

988
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: tension headache, but it's still.

989
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: A little.

990
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: So you ever find yourself when a president wants to,

991
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, do like walk to the Saint John's church

992
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: or wat walk a little bit longer in the parade

993
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: in Chicago? Is your first reaction ever like, well, son

994
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: of a bitch, here we go. Is there ever even

995
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: the second hesitation? Because I know in the infanty like

996
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: there always is. God, I don't want to do this,

997
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: but you saddle up and go anyway?

998
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know you'd always like it to go

999
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: by the script. I think. So it is that that.

1000
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: But the biggest, the.

1001
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 4: Biggest groans I always had was the short notice stuff

1002
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: like and and it always surrounded like a terrible a

1003
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: terrible event, you know, like when the tornadoes go through

1004
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: the South, or the wildfires and the president or you know,

1005
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: Hurricane Katrina. When the president says, hey, I got to

1006
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: get down there, and you have like a day and

1007
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 4: a half to go do your advance. You know, we

1008
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: those things are First of all, there's the groan because

1009
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: you know you're going to see have to see this terrible,

1010
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: this carnage that happened, you know, homes destroyed and people's

1011
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: lives uprooted. But there's also the the idea that you know,

1012
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 4: you're you're a little bit less prepared than you would

1013
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 4: like to be. And not that not that we have

1014
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 4: our intentionally cut corners, but you know you're just going

1015
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: to be awake for thirty hours instead of being able

1016
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 4: to take seven days and have everything squared away. It's

1017
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: it's a spring at that point. So those those to

1018
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: me were the biggest Like, oh.

1019
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, so President George W. Bush. You worked for him, right,

1020
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 5: you were on his detail?

1021
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: Correct? Yeah?

1022
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: Good good guy? What do you think of him?

1023
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1024
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: And and you know, in spite of their politics, I

1025
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: found that he and President Obama were an awful lot

1026
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: alike in a couple of ways. They they were good

1027
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: to us, they were good to all law enforcement, actually

1028
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: love their wives, love their kids, didn't want to be

1029
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: away from their families very much. Neither one of them,

1030
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 4: and and yeah, you know sports fans, you know, they

1031
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: again the kind of guys that you could watch a

1032
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 4: college football game with and uh, you know, and they'd

1033
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: be they'd be right in it, hooting and hollering with you.

1034
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, they Yeah, but both good guys in spite

1035
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 4: of politics. Both I think in their hearts good guys.

1036
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: And I think you've seen that now that they're both

1037
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: out of office, that their families have become close.

1038
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: So I think that's you know, that's something.

1039
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you the guy who and I'm going

1040
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: to tell you two stories about the guy who I

1041
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: just I didn't work with a lot, but I just

1042
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: had so much respect for and probably almost seem like

1043
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: too kind hearted of a person and too nice of

1044
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: a person to be in politics.

1045
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: Was the first President Bush and something I.

1046
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 5: Admire him. I admire him a lot.

1047
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: I know you dipped your tone in the policy and

1048
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 4: you know, I admire you a lot. In our my

1049
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: state representative here, Mike Kelly, I think is in Pennsylvania

1050
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: is a great guy.

1051
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: Like so there are there are, you know, people of

1052
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: character in politics.

1053
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: But so the two stories I'll tell about foreign President

1054
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: Bush was in twenty thirteen. He's a former president and

1055
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 4: one of our agents on his detail, John John's son Patrick.

1056
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: They discovered he had leukemia and he was going through treatments, and.

1057
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: This chokes me.

1058
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 4: He lost his hair. So the President shaved his head

1059
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 4: to in like a sign of solidarity with Patrick. And

1060
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: if you go online, and all the guys on the

1061
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: detail shape their head. But if you go online, you'll

1062
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 4: find pictures of Patrick sitting on the President's lap and

1063
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 4: the President's in a wheelchair, you know, both, you know,

1064
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 4: and the presidents smiling from ear to ear, and.

1065
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: He had just had his head shaved. And then there's

1066
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: a picture.

1067
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: Of him with all the detail guys and Patrick on

1068
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: his lap and they're all bald. And you know, how

1069
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: many of us are going to do something like that

1070
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: for a child. It's not ours, you know. And that

1071
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 4: was really that was really something. And then and then

1072
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 4: the other stories. In nineteen ninety eight, Arnold Palmer's wife,

1073
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 4: Winnie passed away and the Palmers live in Latrow, Pennsylvania,

1074
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 4: about forty minutes east of Pittsburgh. So I get a

1075
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: call from my boss. They're like, hey, we just found

1076
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 4: out that President Bush wants to go to Missus Palmer's funeral.

1077
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 4: Get out there and just get what you can't. I

1078
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: had a day and then I just get set up

1079
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 4: what you can get set up. So I go out

1080
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 4: there and I meet with everybody I have to meet with,

1081
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: and we get everything set up. And the President lands

1082
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: in a small jet at La Trob Airport and as

1083
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 4: he walks off the plane, the detail says to me.

1084
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 4: The detailer says to me, hey, the President has a

1085
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 4: question for you. And he walks up and he says, hey, Jeff,

1086
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: you know I changed clothes in the plane, but I

1087
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Speaker 4: forgot about Is there like a men's shop around? We

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00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 4: can go get a belt? And I said, sir, the

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00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: only thing in La Trop I said, out on route

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Speaker 4: thirty there's a kmart. And without missing and without missing

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Speaker 4: a beat, he goes, well, looks like we're going to kmart.

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00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: So we go to the Mars and we go to

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00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 4: kmart and and it was just you want to talk

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00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: about surreal moments. So the detailer said to me, He goes, hey,

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00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 4: just you and I will go and with them. We

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00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: don't want this to be a big And the footprint

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00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 4: that former presidents have is much smaller than a current president.

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Speaker 4: So he goes, but just you and I will go in.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to make a big show of this.

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00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: So you'd see, you know, we're four or five steps

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00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: behind him. You'd see him walk by people and people

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00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: would look at him and they kind of go and

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00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: then they'd see us with the earpieces and they and

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00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 4: then they'd put it together and they were like, holy crap.

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00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: So he's at the back of the store, in the

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Speaker 4: men's department. I don't know if you remember the old

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00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 4: k marts. They always had the belts on that circle

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00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: rack that you would spin. And he's back there and

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00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: he's looking. He goes, nah, bar went like that one,

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00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 4: or no, this one's too brown. And he finds what

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00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 4: he likes and and by then there's fifteen people just

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00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 4: standing there with their mouths open because here's the former

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Speaker 4: president of the United States and the kmart and the

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00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: trope Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 5: It's a fun time.

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Speaker 3: By the time we.

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00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 4: Get to the cash register's there's thirty people just literally

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00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: standing there like you're looking at him and and he yeah,

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00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 4: you know, the Palmers were legends there, so everybody knew

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00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 4: why he was there. But he was very gracious and

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00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: said hello to everybody, and and they and He's like,

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00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 4: you know, I got to get going, I got to

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00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 4: get over there. And they all knew why he was there,

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: so they were very gracious too. But you know, just

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00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 4: the the idea of like, hey, well we're going to kmart,

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00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 4: let's go get a belt.

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00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 3: And I never missed a beat.

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Speaker 5: So it was That's amazing.

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00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a true gentleman too, to the very end.

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00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: Man, Absolutely amazing experiences. Jeff.

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00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: So, so what are you up to now? Fill us

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00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: in on what what what you're doing. Yeah, if we

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00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: can help, how can we help?

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Speaker 4: Well, right now, I'm the chief of police at Robert

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00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: Morrisse University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. So you know, feel free

1136
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 4: to send your kids here. We'll make sure they're safe

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00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 4: as they can be. We'll send them home, hopefully a

1138
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 4: lot smarter, but as safe as you sent them to us.

1139
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 4: But the other thing I do is on the side,

1140
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 4: I have a consulting firm. It's Capital Security Consultants. It's

1141
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 4: spelled C A P.

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00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 3: I T O L. And we do a few things.

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00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: One of the big things we do is we do

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00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: active assailant survival training where we come into houses of

1145
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: worship or corporations, anybody who invites us out and we

1146
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: do this seminar and it's not the dynamic stuff they

1147
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 4: used to do where we run in and shoot you

1148
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 4: with their soft guns. I think everybody found out that

1149
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 4: people got so nervous about that part that they weren't

1150
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 4: listening to the content. But you know what it is

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00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 4: in our study of these events, you know, when you

1152
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 4: look at all of them, they're all alike in about

1153
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 4: ninety percent of the ways, so you know, there are

1154
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 4: best practices to survive. So you know, we come out,

1155
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 4: we share that with folks and hopefully they'll never need it,

1156
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 4: but it's it's a tool they have in their toolbox

1157
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: that whether they're in church or the mall, in a restaurant,

1158
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 4: you know, help them survive. We're also certified in Pennsylvania

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00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: to do risk and vulnerability assessments for K to twelve

1160
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 4: school districts, so so we do that and we also

1161
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 4: have a component where we teach some self defense. So

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00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: if anybody'd like to check out our website, it's Capital

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00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: C A P I T O L. Dash Security dot

1164
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 4: com and and yeah, you can reach me through there

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00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 4: if you like any of our services.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine a better person to instruct

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00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 2: schools on how to protect themselves, teach people self defense,

1168
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: or work with law enforcement, or houses of worship or corporations.

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00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: All of it's necessary. And for those of folks who

1170
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: are listening watching, it's not paranoia. You're just being prepared

1171
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: and having that training in your kit bag could save lives.

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00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 2: And you know, you hear hear people say all the time,

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00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: well if if we do this and if we just

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: save one life, then it's worth it. Well, if that's

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00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: the same benchmark that we're using to measure things, then

1176
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: you should definitely be calling Jeff in Capital Security.

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: Consultants for some help if you need it.

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Speaker 2: And so, Jeff Man, I am so grateful for you

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: coming on two episodes.

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00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 5: Now, I didn't you know.

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00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: I always say to people, yeah, we're gonna keep you

1182
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: forty five minutes to an hour, and then we always

1183
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: end up talking a lot longer. So I'm really grateful

1184
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: for you, man, Thank you, thank you for coming on.

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00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 4: Oh right back, I said, the pleasure has been mine.

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00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: You know, I'm honored to call you a friend. You

1187
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 4: know the number of texts and messages I've gotten in

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00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 4: the last couple of days since our first episode dropped

1189
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: or first day.

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00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 3: You know, people are like, oh you really know him? Yeah,

1191
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: so so you have.

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00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: Got so many so much feedback, so much feedback from

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00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: that first episode on Rumble, which we stream exclusively on now,

1194
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 2: Like we're up over thirty two thousand views just on

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00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: on Rumble alone, which is crazy.

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00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: It's crazy, but you you have a pretty big fan

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00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: and I know a lot of people we're excited I

1198
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 4: got to come on with you.

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Speaker 3: So I appreciate you. You having me back twice.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm truly humbled to even know you and have

1201
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: you on and I'd love to have you back more

1202
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: to talk about stuff Jeff. And yeah, you know, for

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00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: those of y'all who are who are watching, Jeff James

1204
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: is a patriot. Capital Security Consultants is They're all the

1205
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: real deal. They know obviously if you watch these two episodes,

1206
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: they know exactly what they're doing. And if you like

1207
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: this content, you like what you hear on Battleground Podcast,

1208
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: please subscribe to our Rumble page.

1209
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 5: We just opened it up. We need your help. And

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00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 5: you know, like the videos they call them on Rumble

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00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 5: Rumble like click the little thumb up. We need that.

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Speaker 2: That's a metric that they use to measure success in

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00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: the algorithm. Comment on the videos. Now that we're doing

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Speaker 2: live streams, Jeff, your episode was the first one we

1215
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: did live. The live a live stream, there's a live

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00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: comp there's a live comment section where I'll jump on

1217
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: and I'll reply or our producers will reply to so

1218
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: that that's a cool function of it. And subscribe to

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Speaker 2: the podcast Apple, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts. Go

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Speaker 2: to Official Seawanparnell dot com. We sold out of our

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Speaker 2: merchandise so quickly when we launched it, but we're getting

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Speaker 2: new stuff in and we have lots of other cool

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Speaker 2: T shirts that we're selling there. So Official Sean Parnell

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 5: Go there. And in the meantime, Jeff, thank you again

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00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 5: for joining us. Man. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Pleasures mind. I'm flaring helm over be.

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 5: Here all right, all right, take care of my friend.

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Speaker 5: Thanks you too.

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Speaker 3: Thanks