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Speaker 1: Smell off now, lady, Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to met Eater Radio Live. As always,

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Speaker 2: It's eleven am on Thursday here at meat Eater HQ

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Speaker 2: and Wintry Bozeman, Montana. It's eight am and Maui, where

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Speaker 2: it's currently about seventy five degrees, which sounds pretty nice.

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Speaker 3: It would be nice to be out.

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Speaker 2: There hunting pigs and access steer and shorts and a

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Speaker 2: T shirt. But anyway, I'm your host, Brody. I'm joined

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Speaker 2: today by Jannis and Randall, you know these guys. Today

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk to our favorite local wild game

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Speaker 2: butcher and a borgman, and we're al gonna chat with

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Speaker 2: our friend Jim heffle Finger about lumpers, splitters and extinct elk.

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Speaker 2: And we've got a news round up for you and

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Speaker 2: another round of hot tip offs from our listeners. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get right into it. Have some fun today

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Speaker 2: before we get into the first interview. Big game season

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Speaker 2: is over. It's kind of kind of sad.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm may I got the mega post big game

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Speaker 1: season blues going right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of kind of sad, but I

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Speaker 2: mean they're still hunting to be done. What do you got?

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Speaker 2: What do you guys got planned for the next.

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Speaker 1: You guys get the blues too?

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Speaker 4: Oh season, Big Blues, Big Blues right now. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: don't really have any plans at the moment, trying to

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Speaker 4: figure out what tags I'm gonna apply for.

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Speaker 5: Got the calendar for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Season, get into that.

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Speaker 5: I'll look at lads and points and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mountainine seasons open, that's right. Yeah, I've already had

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Speaker 1: a couple of days out there there, found some tracks,

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Speaker 1: but they were going into private, so we didn't cut

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Speaker 1: loose on them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We're getting some snow now, which is good for

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Speaker 2: you too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice, makes it life easy.

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Maui and how nice to be there? Are

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Speaker 1: you already sick of the cold and we're not even dude,

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Speaker 1: barely in November.

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Speaker 3: I get I get sick of the real cold stuff. Easy.

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Speaker 1: You think you're going to turn into a snowbird.

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Speaker 2: No, but I eventually I might turn into like a

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Speaker 2: mid South bird, Like if I moved. I want to

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Speaker 2: be somewhere where there was seasons and it snowed once

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Speaker 2: in a while, so I'm got there.

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Speaker 1: I got like a Missouri.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll buy some land from

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Speaker 2: Clay and moving down there Arkansas. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I For whatever reason, this cold snap hit pretty badly

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Speaker 4: because it was so warm, and then one day it's

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Speaker 4: just like ten degrees and blowing snow. And then we

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Speaker 4: were I was taking the taking Yannie's trailer back to

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Speaker 4: his house and we got two pickups stuck and a

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Speaker 4: trailer stuck.

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Speaker 2: At his house.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Man, get that plow truck out.

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Speaker 4: Well we did, well, we did because he needed to

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Speaker 4: pull me out with the plow truck.

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Speaker 2: One nice thing about the cold is I think we're

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Speaker 2: gonna hopefully get some some early spearing ice, and I'm

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Speaker 2: tentatively planning a spear and trip with the boys for

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Speaker 2: pike and hopefully like work some pheasant hunting into that too.

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Speaker 4: Toscani where no, no oh, gotcha a big pike here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would be fun over Christmas break. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: it stays cold enough and we'll get get some good ice.

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Speaker 1: Call me if you go. I'd like to go do that.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna be around over break?

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Speaker 3: Yep? All right, then I go too. Yeah, man, perfect.

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Speaker 2: You got a spear grab one out of Steve's.

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about I got a bunch of decoys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just like to watch.

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Speaker 2: We should take a whole posse out there. Man, it's fun.

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Speaker 5: Empty a few cans and bottles, put some tip ups

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Speaker 5: out nice. Yeah, that would be super fun.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: All right, enough talking about our fun. We got to

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Speaker 2: get into the serious stuff and move on to our

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Speaker 2: first guest, Jim Hefflefinger. Many of you guys have seen

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Speaker 2: or listened to him on the podcast, so hopefully and

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Speaker 2: know him. But we got Jim up yet or did

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Speaker 2: he disappear on us?

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Speaker 6: Oh he's still here, but he's not in yet. Let's

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Speaker 6: bring him in.

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Speaker 1: Jerry is.

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Speaker 2: Jim for people aren't familiar with you, Uh, just quickly

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Speaker 2: introduce yourself and let let us know what you do

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Speaker 2: and then what we'll get into the nitty gritty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I've been I'm a well let science coordinator for Arizona

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Speaker 7: Game and Fish Department. I've been with the apartment for

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Speaker 7: thirty three years and probably most of my focus there

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Speaker 7: has been big game management Western Big Game I chair

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Speaker 7: Western North America Mealdier Working Group and then also involved

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Speaker 7: in Mexico both recovery last fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Nice. But you also do some work with elk, which

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about today.

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Speaker 7: Interesting things.

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Speaker 2: The reason, the big reason I want I need to

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Speaker 2: have you on today is because you're doing some pretty

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Speaker 2: cool work with Merriam's elk. And if you're if you're

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Speaker 2: not familiar with Merriams elk, it's a jump in and

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Speaker 2: correct me wherever I screw up, Jim. But Marriams elk

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Speaker 2: are an extinct subspecies of elk, and Jim's doing some

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Speaker 2: work trying to figure out like were they different than

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Speaker 2: other elk, Like do they deserve the subspecies designation all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. So we're going to talk about that, But

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Speaker 2: before we get to that, we got to talk about

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Speaker 2: lumpers and splitters. So, Jim, can you real quick explain

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Speaker 2: like the two basic schools of thought that biologists kind

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Speaker 2: yourself to like identify and classify wildlife species and subspecies.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, there's a you know, we've got to classify animals

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Speaker 7: as species, and then when we start classifying animals as subspecies,

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Speaker 7: things get a little sketchy. And so there's this concept

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Speaker 7: or the other somewhere in between. And it basically at

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Speaker 7: the most basic level is the lumpers are focusing on

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Speaker 7: similarities between animals. Like they might look at all elk

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Speaker 7: and just say, you know, they're basically elk. They differ

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Speaker 7: a little bit in the east and the west, but

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Speaker 7: they're all just elk. So they're all one kind of animal.

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Speaker 7: Other people focus on differences and they might say, well,

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Speaker 7: tend to crown a little bit more, and these have

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Speaker 7: bunch of different categories. We'll talk about. Miriam Duck was

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Speaker 7: named after seaheart Miriam. Miriam actually designated eighty four different

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Speaker 7: brown bear and grizzly bear species, not even subspecies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was going to get at. Like,

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Speaker 2: of ridiculous, But there's good reasons for splitting two when

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Speaker 7: Sometimes they'll focus on animals, but pure taxonomous though, we

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Speaker 7: don't split animals just so that there's some conservation focus

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Speaker 7: on that. Animal taxonomy is a pure science of are

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Speaker 7: those animals really different? And then if they're different, then

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Speaker 7: we should probably doing some different conservation acts.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So let's talk elk and have you run

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Speaker 2: through the generally accepted subspecies of elk in North America,

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Speaker 2: both living and extinct. And we've got a map that

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, I say that map, and I said this

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Speaker 7: it's the closest representation of just generally these different subspecies

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Speaker 7: things disappeared so quick that science didn't really catch up

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Speaker 7: and document many specimens. They weren't studied physically, so we

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Speaker 7: don't know a lot about whether they differed in the east.

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Speaker 7: But the Manitobin elk in the middle of the continent,

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Speaker 7: in Rocky Mountain elk, they don't all the genetic work

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Speaker 7: And I suspect if we had the same kind of

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Speaker 2: And when you say it like this is this map

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Speaker 2: is like original range, Like obviously there's not Manitoban elk

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Speaker 7: Yet you cut out there a second, But there's no

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Speaker 2: Yep. So what's that of total of six six subspecies

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Speaker 7: Right, So those are three in the continental and then

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Speaker 7: the Roosevelt and the Tulei elk. A lot of different

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Speaker 7: We don't know if that how far those differences, how

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Speaker 7: have been all the same. And it's really human influence

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Speaker 7: isolating those populations. We don't don't really know. That bottom

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Speaker 7: Manitobin in what little we know about Eastern really don't

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Jim, could you this is Randall When you

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Speaker 4: say that Manitobin elk don't break out genetically compared to

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Speaker 4: like a rocky mountain. Up, can you describe some I

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Speaker 7: Yes, the physical descriptions that people use to describe the

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Speaker 7: different subspecies. They're oftentimes like they shot an elk or

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Speaker 7: they shot two elk, and they said these look kind

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Speaker 7: They gave it a subspecies name, and they said this

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Speaker 7: are described separately based on a couple of little general characteristics.

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Speaker 7: They would not hold up to modern day kind of

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Speaker 2: God, what about what about Roosevelt versus Rocky Mountain? Like

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Speaker 2: you can look at those to someone who's looked at

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Speaker 2: a lot of elk, you can look at like a

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Speaker 2: there's like obvious physical differences, right yep, absolutely yeah, bigger

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Speaker 7: More tendency to crown out on Roosevelt. You're right, physically,

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Speaker 7: those breakout too. So it kind of supports that yeap

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Speaker 7: And part of that is not just a g whiz thing.

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Speaker 2: So first you, for one second, when were they gone

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Speaker 7: So there's always been a question did some of the

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Speaker 7: There's a PhD student, Kenzie, who's doing this for PhD

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Speaker 2: So you're you're still wait non results is basically where

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Speaker 7: And I get those emails. But if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: Well I got to pin him down. Question why is

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Speaker 7: Like I said, not only the interesting part, but we

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Speaker 7: Do we have any Miriam Duck jeans in today's Arizona helk.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of people forever that have been talking

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Speaker 2: Are you able to put out like an opinion yet?

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Speaker 5: He's a science man, I know that.

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Speaker 2: But you always got to ask. You got to try

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Speaker 4: But but we're the mainstream media here, Jim, we need

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Speaker 7: No, I don't but I don't mind. I don't mind

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Speaker 2: And those same reintroductions have happened in a few southeastern

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Speaker 7: And you know, we see that with turkey certainly too,

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Speaker 2: you find out. I guess you got three more years

438
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: of work you're looking at on this stuff.

439
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 7: Yep, that's right. And there's other people doing a majority

440
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 7: of the work. I did a lot of the sampling

441
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 7: and involved in the beginning of it. Now the geneticists

442
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 7: are sitting at the genetics lab bench doing most of

443
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 7: the work. One interesting thing is that Seeheart Miriam, who

444
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 7: miriams Elk is.

445
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: Named after him.

446
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 7: He's the one who named Roosevelt Elk after Theodore Roosevelt.

447
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 7: And there's a letter that's on display at the American

448
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 7: Museum and Atrohistory in New York, and it's Theodore Roosevelt

449
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 7: writing back on the Department of Navy letterhead thanking See

450
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 7: Heart Miriam for naming that elk after him.

451
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, we talked about this a little bit

452
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: through email. Miriams. How many how many species does that

453
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: guy have his name attached to?

454
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 7: He named seventy one species, but not with his own name.

455
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 7: He has about twelve species that have his name on it.

456
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

457
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 7: One interesting factoid too, is that Vernon Bailey used to

458
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 7: work for Sea Heart Miriam as a mammalogist. Vernon Bailey

459
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 7: then married Miriam's sister, and Vernon Bailey is the guy

460
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 7: who described Eastern Elk for science.

461
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: Huh.

462
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 7: So a lot of the same famous people running in

463
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 7: the same circles, as you can see by that picture

464
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 7: with See Heart Miriam driving Teddy Roosevelt around.

465
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

466
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: Sure, Jim, are you hoping to one day put attach

467
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: your name to a new subspecies heffelfinger eye.

468
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 7: I was oping a deer species heffelfinger eye would be nice.

469
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll keep our eyes out for one of those

470
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 5: running around.

471
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: We'll let you know, all right, Jim, We're gonna you

472
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: go have fun at that Big Boone and Crockett conference

473
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: you're at right now, and we'll talk to you. We'll

474
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: talk to you soon.

475
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 5: Thanks, Jim.

476
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: Yep.

477
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting stuff.

478
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 4: I want Jim to you know, it sounds like there's

479
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 4: some people in Arizona who are upset about all these

480
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: big giant bulls walking around and they want some smaller

481
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: elk I like Jim to make those connections for us.

482
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 5: Sure, I'd be happy to help them with that problem.

483
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, I think it's probably people that just don't

484
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: want hunting in general.

485
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

486
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: Let's move on to a news round up. I assigned

487
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: these guys a little homework to find some interesting news

488
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: stuff that you guys should know about. I think we've

489
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: got Randall first, Randal. What are you gonna fill people

490
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: in on?

491
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? Uh, this is not a very fun or exciting

492
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 4: news topic.

493
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: But let's do it anyway.

494
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 4: I feel like this this season, I've probably seen more

495
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 4: news stories than years pasted about accidental one hundred deaths

496
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: from from gunshot wounds. The most recent one I saw

497
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: was in Pennsylvania, which just opened like last week. Guy

498
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: was shot in a deer drive. There's another one in

499
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 4: in Texas. And then there's two ones actually very close

500
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 4: to home, uh here in Montana and another one in Idaho,

501
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 4: and those actually involved law enforcement officers on their time off.

502
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: And and those two cases and the one that I

503
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: saw in Texas, the circumstances were very similar. It was

504
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 4: getting in and out of a vehicle and casing and

505
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 4: uncasing firearms. And it's just a good reminder, I guess

506
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: to always, you know, keep safety in front of mind.

507
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: And no one ever thinks they're going to be that

508
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: person involved in an accident like that. And you know,

509
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: we before the before we started recording here, we're all

510
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: saying we've been in situations where someone had a loaded

511
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: gun that they thought was unloaded.

512
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 5: And you know, that.

513
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: Stuff only happens when you when you aren't constantly challenging

514
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 4: yourself like did I unload this?

515
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 5: You know, did I see them unload this?

516
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 4: And and it's just always got to be front of mine.

517
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know that I've got much else there.

518
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 4: The one thing I will say in pulling these stories together,

519
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: and someone had sent me one of these earlier in

520
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: the year. There are fundraisers for the families of the

521
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 4: two law enforcement officers who who died. One was a

522
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: UH law enforcement officer from California who died in a

523
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: in a hunt in Idaho, I think in October. And

524
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 4: his name is Nathan Cass k A A S. And

525
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: there's if you go to help aher dot com, there's

526
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: a fundraiser for his wife and kids.

527
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 5: And then.

528
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 4: A guy named Michael flore who is a I believe

529
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 4: he was a sheriff's deputy with Galatin County here in

530
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: Monte And there's a go fundme for Michael floor f

531
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 4: l o h R. So, you know, this time of year,

532
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: it's we all look forward to it, and then when

533
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: it's gone, we're all sad, you know. But and it's

534
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: kind of fun to tell stories and do all that,

535
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 4: but it's very serious business whenever you have loaded guns around.

536
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: So just seeing all these in the headlines, I felt

537
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 4: compelled to It's interesting.

538
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: I doubt that there's been more this year on average

539
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: than in the past, you know, accidental like involving hunters,

540
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: accidental shooting desks. And I would also guess that in

541
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: the same period of time there were way more accidental

542
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: shooting desks among non hunters that didn't make the news.

543
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: But these things tend to hit the headlines for whatever reason.

544
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: But it is just a great reminder just to like

545
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: always be safe.

546
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes you got to get up in people's

547
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: faces about it because people like to act like it's

548
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: not a big deal. And as a guide, you learn

549
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: very quickly. That like it's a there's no it's a

550
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: no strike policy.

551
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 6: Yeah.

552
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't put up with any of it.

553
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: And if you have someone in your group that continues

554
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: to do it, you need to quit hunting with them,

555
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: right because it's just a matter of time till they

556
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: make a mistake.

557
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's easy to keep all that stuff

558
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: in mind when you're at the range and you're taking

559
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 4: your time, and and it's you're very methodical and how

560
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: you approach it. But when you're hunting, you know, you're cold,

561
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 4: you're tired, there's animals moving quickly.

562
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: You might.

563
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: Wear yourself out to the point that you're no longer

564
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: thinking straight. And you just got to always double check

565
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 4: and triple check. And that's like even with when I'm

566
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: hunting with my wife, I'll ask her, like, did you

567
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: unload it? And she'll hand it She'll say yes and

568
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 4: hand it to me, and I'll stick my finger up

569
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: in the in the chamber, you know, just yeah.

570
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: And I think you're just begging for trouble if you're

571
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: the kind of hunter who's like it's hard not to be.

572
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: But like maybe you're driving from spot to spot, or

573
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: maybe you're even road hunting, We're like, oh, I got

574
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: to be ready. I'm in the truck, but I gotta

575
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: be ready, like having a like not even having one

576
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: of the pipe, having a clip in the rifle, whatever

577
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: it might be. Like, I don't think you can be

578
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: thinking about like what happens if a buck pops out

579
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: right next to the road kind of thing or stuff

580
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: like that.

581
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh it's killing me. This fall in Wisconsin, I was

582
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: climbing trees a bunch and going up in a saddle.

583
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: I would have to pull my rifle up, you know,

584
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: with the string. Yeah, And of course I wanted to

585
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: be unloaded when I was doing that, because you're literally

586
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: pointing it up. Well, I guess you could pull it

587
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: up button first either way, but yeah, you don't want

588
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: to be loaded. But the stink the bad part is

589
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: is that when you're in that tree and it's you know,

590
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before daylight and it's super quiet, and then

591
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: you gotta rack it, you know. Oh god, it almost

592
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: made me want to like pull a loaded gun up

593
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: up the tree, but which I never did, but like

594
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: I just I learned to. Actually, I would take extra

595
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: clothes so I could like grab it cover the whole

596
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: action with a jacket and then slowly just slide one

597
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: in there and try to make it as quiet as

598
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: I could.

599
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, no shortcuts.

600
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: Yep, be honest, what do you what do you got

601
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: going big news out of Idaho?

602
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: I think it's big news. You know, a lot of

603
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: us that live here in Montana and people that live

604
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: all over this country like to hunt Idaho. You don't

605
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: really want to go hunt there if you're into like

606
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: elkin deer, because the wolves have eaten most of them.

607
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: But if you want to give it a shot, they're

608
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: going to make it a little bit easier. A lot

609
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: of us complained in years past. This has all happened

610
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: in probably the last ten years, because ten years ago

611
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: I hunted Idaho and I was literally able to buy

612
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: a deer license at the gas station with like five

613
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: days left in the season. And when I bought it,

614
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: the guy offered me a second one. That is no

615
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: longer the case. The last whatever. You know, five to

616
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: ten years, you've had to either go in and stand

617
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: in line or stand in a digital line like.

618
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: A queue stand in line in Idaho.

619
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Idaho, or get online and stand in a

620
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: digital queue and they gave you a number, and uh,

621
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: you know that's kind of the order that you would

622
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: be you'd get to try to buy a license. And

623
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: it was a mess. It was hard. I think there's

624
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people gaming. The system was forever, and.

625
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: They had more technology errors than we do on this program.

626
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: Right, it was not it was not pretty bad.

627
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: The way it worked is you were like, if you

628
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: were going to do this online thing, you were assigned

629
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: a random number for a position in line.

630
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So like last year, I tried it, and I

631
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: think I had five devices open, Like I had my

632
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: wife's phone, my phone, a couple of computers, maybe even

633
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: like my daughter's iPad or something. Right, the lowest number

634
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: I had was seven thousand and something. Wasn't going to

635
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: get a tag, or at least not one of tag

636
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: attack you want, I want it. So now they've listened

637
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: to the complaints and they're changing it. It's it's going

638
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: to be just a straight up application process, very short

639
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: application period, which I was surprised about. December fifth to

640
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: the fifteenth. It's actually opens tomorrow. You have ten days

641
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: to to do it. You have to buy a hunting

642
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: license to apply. The hunting license is non refundable. The

643
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: way I look at it when I do that is

644
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: just that you know, you're chipping in on conservation, sure,

645
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: because there's a good chance you're not going to get

646
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: the tag. You're not going to get that. I think

647
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: it's like one hundred and sixty.

648
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not nothing like in.

649
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: The upper half of the one hundreds.

650
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: You know, I think there will be people that are like, nah,

651
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not that committed, but the people who

652
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: are committed will pay it. It's something other states to do. Uh,

653
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: So you know, it's something to think about. You're like,

654
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: you could end up not getting a tag and you're

655
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: still in for whatever.

656
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: And this is just for general season, like regular old

657
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: what used to be, you know, what you'd call an

658
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Speaker 1: over the counter attack. This is not for their what

659
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: they call their controlled hunts. And so if you're like

660
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: looking to apply for a special unit for a big

661
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Balkanist special date range, this is not it. This is

662
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: just for like the general season.

663
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: You still have to pick like a unit, yeah right, yes, units.

664
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Speaker 1: Non residents have to have to pick a unit, but

665
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Speaker 1: it's for like the general season. I think I think

666
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good, hopefully, it'll there'd be less stress,

667
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: and there's no stress. Correct me if I'm wrong, but

668
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: there's no. It's a total lottery, right, Like, there's no

669
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Speaker 1: They're not gonna have a preference points system or anything

670
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: like that.

671
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be a pure lottery.

672
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I Jaho doesn't have points for anything, right.

673
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: Which I like.

674
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like.

675
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean you could if you're an unlucky person, Uh,

676
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: you could go your entire life and never draw a

677
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: tag there. Yeah, you know, it is what it is.

678
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I like this system better than what like Colorado's got going.

679
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

680
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 4: Sure, and I think like the new you know, more

681
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: and more things are going to a draw and like

682
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: that's a bummer. But the way that it was working

683
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 4: before it if you could fly to Idaho and spend

684
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: money on a hotel room, you know you were going

685
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 4: to get it, or or if you had an outfit

686
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: or who would wait in line for you, you'd get it.

687
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 5: So this just makes the.

688
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: Playing fields.

689
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: It makes it levels the playing field for people. And yeah,

690
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 5: like you said, I think it takes a lot of

691
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 5: stress out of it.

692
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

693
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: And what else I like about Idaho and I'll leave

694
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: it at this, is that they they really. I forget

695
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: what the numbers were, but they cap they're non resident numbers,

696
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: and it's not that high. It's like like ten to

697
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: fifteen k per species per you know, deer and elk,

698
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: and so it's that way they're gonna they're they're going

699
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: to give their residence and the few non resident to

700
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: get to hunt there. They're going to give them a

701
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: quality hunt. And I would much rather have that every

702
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: couple three years than go and have a crowded hunt

703
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: every year.

704
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure, But don't go hunt there because

705
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 5: of the wolves and the bears.

706
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 9: Yeah.

707
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, last time I was there,

708
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like there are many wolves or many

709
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: elk or deer left because of the wolves and lions

710
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: eating them all. But it's up to you.

711
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, give it a try if you're feeling adventurous. Speaking

712
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: of wolves wolves, been a while since we've done a

713
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: Colorado wolf update, and there's there's been some some action

714
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: down there, so I thought i'd give you guys a

715
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 2: little update. They started their reintroduction famously started their reintroduction

716
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 2: program a couple of years ago after a ballot box

717
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: initiative that's been going on for a little while now.

718
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: There's currently about thirty in the state of Colorado, thirty

719
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: wolves and those were sores from Orgon and Canada or

720
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: those part of those thirty or offspring of those reintroduced wolves.

721
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: Over the last couple of years, at least a dozen

722
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: have died from various causes, including being lethally removed.

723
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: For livestock predation.

724
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: The state's got a goal of reintroducing at least another twenty,

725
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: with an end goal of establishing a population at two hundred.

726
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's like they're running out of options.

727
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: They found themselves in a position that where they're running

728
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: out of options to find places to get wolves. The

729
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: ones they got from Oregon ended up being livestock killers.

730
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: The ones they got from British Columbia I think have

731
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: maybe also been some of them have been involved in

732
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: some of that livestock predation. But either way, like Colorado

733
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: wants more wolves, it's to be determined whether they're going

734
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: to get more wolves. Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana they've always

735
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: refused to give wolves to Colorado, largely for political reasons,

736
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: and recently the US Fish and Wildlife Service mandated that

737
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: Colorado has to source its wolves from the Northern Rockies

738
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: in the United States, meaning no wolves from Canada, no

739
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: wolves from Alaska, so now they're getting pinched by the

740
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: Fish and Wildlife Service. Then they turned to Washington recently,

741
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: and Washington declined because they feel like they can't afford

742
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: to take wolves out of Washington and risk risk the

743
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: population they have reducing the population they have there. Oregon

744
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: also declined to provide to provide more wolves to Colorado,

745
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: So like two states that were kind of like politic

746
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: aligned with Colorado, it just bailed and said nope, we're

747
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: not giving them to you. And those were really Colorado's

748
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: last best options to get wolves. I don't think they'll

749
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: be able to get them like Great Lakes wolves from

750
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: Wisconsin or Minnesota. So it's kind of we're kind of

751
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: in a holding pattern to see if this reintroduction is

752
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: going to continue. There are other that could go to

753
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: some Native American reservations that might be willing to provide wolves.

754
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: They tried that at one point it didn't work out,

755
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: so it'll be interesting to see if this reintroduction program continues.

756
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: It's under the there are people who are very unhappy

757
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: with the money aspect of this in Colorado. The projection

758
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: was eight hundred thousand per year cost of the state

759
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: that the voters agreed to. Last year, the program went wildly.

760
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: It's consistently went over budget. Last year went wildly over

761
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: budget three point five million. And that doesn't include a

762
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: budget of several hundred thousand dollars to reimburse ranchers for

763
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: lost livestock which they drained. They could completely drain that

764
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: that fun to reimburse ranchers, and some lawmakers in Colorado

765
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: are calling the situation out of control. Governor Polus has

766
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: been forced to cut the budget, and lawmakers are forbidding

767
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: Colorado Parks and Wildlife from using remaining general fun dollars

768
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: to acquire more wolves. So, like they might be at

769
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: a point where they're kind of tread and water for

770
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 2: a while.

771
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: You think Idaho would give them some wolves since they're

772
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: so overrun with right they don't even have any elkan

773
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: deer left.

774
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: But no, Yeah, it's funny, I was thinking politically, Yeah,

775
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 4: it's folks don't want to see wolves spread, like folks

776
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: in Montana, IHO don't want to be part of like

777
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: sending wolves to Colorado. But on the other hand, getting

778
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: wolves out of Montana and Idaho.

779
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it'd only be ten or fifteen of them,

780
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: so you know, they can make.

781
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: That up pretty quick.

782
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's your Colorado update. There's still wolves there.

783
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: We'll see, uh, we'll see how it works out with

784
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: them getting towards that goal of two hundred wolves. But

785
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: right now it's not not happening.

786
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: Oh it's going to be a major smudge. I feel

787
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: like on Polis's tenure. Yeah, you know the way he

788
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: handled the whole situation where like.

789
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: He kind of inserted himself into an issue, didn't.

790
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had wolves coming, Yeah, it was happening all

791
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: on its own, and he had like they he whatever,

792
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: had to make a big deal out of it, and

793
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: it is just yeah.

794
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his Wildlife Commission played a big role, like

795
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: a point. Appointees played a big role in it too,

796
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: which like makes me think that some part of me

797
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: thinks that those those Wildlife Commission people should be voted in,

798
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: not appointed in.

799
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

800
00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 2: I agree, Okay, Phil, what's the chat doing now?

801
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: Sure?

802
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 6: Really quick? I saw several of you had some questions

803
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 6: for Jim during his segment. I emailed him and told

804
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 6: him to go back and check those out if he

805
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 6: feels obliged, and he absolutely does not need to, but

806
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 6: I bet I did let him know that those questions

807
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 6: are there, so maybe you'll get a little thanks for

808
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 6: that film DM from the conservation ringer himself. Let's see here.

809
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 6: First off, fishing fanatics. Nothing like sitting the stand listening

810
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 6: to me need to radio live. Thank you. And then Nate,

811
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 6: he's in the chat almost every week, got his first

812
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 6: ever buck on Sunday, six and a half inches twelve

813
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 6: pointer and his first thought was, Thursday can't come soon enough?

814
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 6: So I can tell the the live chat and the crew.

815
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 5: It's a pig ye all downhill from here.

816
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be. That's a high Bard.

817
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 6: No free ads, but free hot tips. Justin says, I

818
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 6: just upgraded my on X subscription and have been doing

819
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 6: a bit of playing around. What are your favorite features

820
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 6: that are lesser known If you guys use any lesser

821
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 6: known on X features.

822
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: I like like like to plan stocks, like figuring out

823
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 2: yardage and things like that.

824
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: I forget that.

825
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: Like the you can range Yeah, and other other manufacturers

826
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: do that as well, but you can link your range

827
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 4: finer to that.

828
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: That's a sweet like if you find a bedded bock

829
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: that you know you're going to be out of sight

830
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: of for a while, like marking that spot and planning

831
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: your stock.

832
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 3: It's that's a good feature.

833
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: I've been using the UH Now it's integrated with the

834
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: Moultarie cameras and so it's like an automatic filter just

835
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: to go if you want to see just pictures from

836
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: one camera where the Moultarie app that takes a few

837
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: more steps, but on on X you can literally just

838
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: click on the icon and see only the pictures from

839
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: that camera, which is pretty slick.

840
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: That's real nice. That's real nice.

841
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: I the one thing that I've been I wanted them

842
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: to improve for a while, and then I think in

843
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 4: the past two years they they added it. But the

844
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 4: snap to feature when you're like putting a route, when

845
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: you're building a route, and you can actually snap it

846
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: on trails right and roads, so I know exactly, you

847
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: know how far it is before I want to bust

848
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: off the trail and climb a ridge or something like that,

849
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 4: because before you're always using.

850
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: Just the linear like line.

851
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: Which is like which is always shorter than what it is.

852
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and so I yeah, I build basically whenever

853
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: i'm thinking about what I want to do the next day.

854
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 4: As far as like a hike, I'll build it out

855
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: an onyx and get an idea of mileage and elevation

856
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: change and all that.

857
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: The three D thing is good for that too, because

858
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: like you can look at the topo, but it doesn't

859
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: tell you how steep. Yeah, you're only getting so much information.

860
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: So to be able to look at that slope and

861
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: be like, oh, hey, that's going to take some more

862
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: time than I thought.

863
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: Like that's cool.

864
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 6: M Let's see. It's a question from a cord. He says,

865
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 6: how often do your western schools go on lockdown for

866
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 6: dangerous animals in the area. He said that he had

867
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 6: a mountain lion stroll through a neighborhood and they went

868
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 6: into a two hour shelter in place. He says, does

869
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 6: that seem like an overreaction? Have your kids school has

870
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 6: ever gone into some sort of like lockdown because of

871
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 6: a bear or anything like that.

872
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: No, I think they had a bear actually walk through

873
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: Bozman High ago.

874
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a grizzly that showed up over by the

875
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: elementary school in Bear Canyon a few years ago?

876
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Nothing changed.

877
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: I don't think there was A.

878
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 4: There was like a pair of mountain lions in Missoula

879
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 4: that was hanging out at a bus stop and they

880
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: closed the bus stop. And I remember that because it

881
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: was right by my buddy's house. But yeah, other than that.

882
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: I don't think it's like, yeah, sure, like we've got

883
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: more large predators out west, but I don't think it's

884
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: like it happens.

885
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: It's not like we Bengal tigers out here.

886
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: Like there's probably schools that have been shut down back

887
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: east because a coyote ran through the playground, you know

888
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: what I mean.

889
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember when I was living in Chicago watching

890
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: like a live news feed of a of a lion

891
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 4: running through a neighborhood and there was like a helicopter following,

892
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: you know, it's like the OJ chase, and it ran

893
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: through I believe they they might have even killed it,

894
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: like on a school playground, but it definitely ran through

895
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: a skilled a school playground.

896
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: But uh, that was one of my favorite moments from

897
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 5: my time there.

898
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: But also in Northern Minnesota, mountain Lion's probably something they're

899
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: just not real familiar with, and they might have just

900
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, been been overreacting a little bit maybe, But

901
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: they're probably don't see him too often.

902
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 6: We've got Leland who's been really hot on the trivia questions.

903
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 6: Like Lea's been getting a lot of questions in there.

904
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 6: He asked, the strangest animal you guys have euro mounted.

905
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 6: He's having some squirrels done, if you if you have

906
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 6: had anything strange.

907
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: I did a turkey skull once, very proud of that.

908
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: The little stuff is fun, you know, turkey skulls. And

909
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I have a bobcat skull. What else he's got, like

910
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the whole collection of weasels we got.

911
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a rack. We have a rack, one raccoon.

912
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: We have a beaver skull. Beaver skull is real cool.

913
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: They got some oh yeah, burly solid skulls man stuff

914
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: like that.

915
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to.

916
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: I realized too late that I should have kept the

917
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: skull from my sand Hill crane this year.

918
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: That would be cool.

919
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I realized that while I was taking

920
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: the legs off and I had little drumsticks that were,

921
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: you know, fourteen inches long.

922
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 6: Really quick, Mogor says Phil, did you and Randall knock

923
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 6: back a beer and hot dog? After that last disinformation blunder?

924
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 6: You're going to have to be more specific, moc.

925
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: No, that was that was when you told me the

926
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: wrong thing about our radio live from last week. Do

927
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 4: you remember when you gave me the wrong information about

928
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 4: whether or not Oh?

929
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

930
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 6: Then we had a fake argument and I asked if

931
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 6: you want to get a beer? You said no, But

932
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 6: you want to get a beer after this?

933
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we will do that after this.

934
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: But I don't.

935
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 5: Just know the argument was not fake on my end.

936
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 6: Well, then good to know, I guess. All right, Phil,

937
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 6: we've got a few more, but you want to.

938
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: Let these guys know because it's gonna have to be

939
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: a kind of a quick turnaround on Phil's part, which

940
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: makes like life difficult. But we're doing a hot tip

941
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: off and we're doing Phil, We're gonna do the the

942
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: listener voting thing, right.

943
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 6: I've got I'm prepped and ready to go.

944
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: So be prepared as you're listening to like vote on

945
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: the hot tips that are coming up a little later.

946
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: But we can we can do some more. We can

947
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: move on, Phil, We'll do another round at the end

948
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: of the show.

949
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 5: Okay, great call Phil.

950
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: All right.

951
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: Our next guest is Anna Borgman. She co owns Chaos Farms,

952
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: a butchering and meat processing business that serves the community

953
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: and small farms here in southwest Montana. She's been on

954
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: the podcast uh at least a couple of times.

955
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 6: She's been on radio, and she's been on the main

956
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 6: met Eat.

957
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: So she judged an episode of Roast There you Go,

958
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: So you guys may have.

959
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 6: Trivial She came out to karaoke once.

960
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: There you Go. She's like basically a meat eater employee anyway.

961
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: She she's also butchered and processed a bunch of animals

962
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: for the crew when we're too busy to do it

963
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: on our own. She did. She did ten fifty pound

964
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: game bags of moose meat for me last year, and

965
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: I can say she did a very outstanding job. So Anna,

966
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Oh you did? You went in there?

967
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: Great, she's the meat.

968
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can hear you. General rifle season just ended

969
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: a few days ago here in Montana. But I imagine and

970
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: by the looks of it, I'm right, you're still pretty busy.

971
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, it kind of seems like people hit it hard

972
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 9: the last weekend. So Gold we got a lot of calls,

973
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 9: Yeah exactly. Yeah, So we got a lot of calls

974
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 9: and we were running around like crazy picking up We

975
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 9: picked stuff up for people and we drop it off

976
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 9: back at you know, the office or your house or whatever.

977
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 9: So we were running around like crazy. We've got quite

978
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 9: a few elkin here right now, a little bit packed.

979
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: So nice. How many deer note do you think you

980
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 2: do in a season?

981
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 9: Oh jeez, it's just the two of us. It's just

982
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 9: my boys riend and I and we kind of take

983
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 9: on our own animals, you know, like I'll say yes

984
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 9: to whatever I have time for it, he says, yes,

985
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 9: he has time for Yeah.

986
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: This isn't a situation where people can just roll up

987
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: and drop something off to you, like a lot of

988
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: meat process.

989
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 9: Process right, Like this cooler is uh, I bought a

990
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 9: utility trailer and we just put in you know, foam

991
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 9: insulation and built out a cooler. So it's it's pretty small.

992
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 9: We pack it, but uh we do. I don't know

993
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 9: if you more than a hundred for but I uh,

994
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 9: I should keep track. But it's a lot of animals, but.

995
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: More in a season than most people will do in

996
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 5: their in their lifetime.

997
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: Sure, definitely, absolutely, But that that kind of gets to

998
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: where I'm going going with this, is you're not one

999
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: of those like mega meat processors processors that are doing

1000
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of animals a year, which like allows

1001
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: you to like operate with a much higher level level

1002
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: of care and quality. I would say then then I'm

1003
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: not bagging on meat processors and processors in general, but like,

1004
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: the more they do, it's possible that the quality level

1005
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: is going to go down if they're cranking out hundreds

1006
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: and hundreds of animals. So sure, as someone who's working

1007
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: with the goal of like doing this in small batches

1008
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 2: and putting out a really high quality product, I want

1009
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: to get into first what you'd lay out as like

1010
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: best practices for hunters before they even make the call

1011
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: to you, and then the most common mistakes people make

1012
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: out in the field before they even call you.

1013
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, i'd say best practices. I'm kind of the hill

1014
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 9: that I will die on right now is take those

1015
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 9: hoofs off. We get a lot of stuff that has

1016
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 9: hoofs on it, and I totally you know, I get

1017
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 9: it to an extent that you're trying to get it

1018
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 9: out of there, and it's easier to stick it in

1019
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 9: a game bag with that hoof on. But if you're

1020
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 9: packing stuff out a it's extra weight. And b if

1021
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 9: you've just done a good job, you know, skinning it

1022
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 9: and keeping it clean, you're kind of screwing it up

1023
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 9: at the end there by adding more hide into the bag,

1024
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 9: more hair, whatever it was on that animal's hoof, whatever

1025
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 9: it was. And then by the time we get it,

1026
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 9: you know, it's just it's a little more work for us,

1027
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 9: and we can't I mean, you can see these waters

1028
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 9: hanging back here, like we can't hang it with a

1029
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 9: hoof on it so close to the ceiling up there.

1030
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 9: So and it's really easy to take off. I just

1031
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 9: put up a video on my Instagram, I think yesterday

1032
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 9: of how to take off.

1033
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: You're talking like basically the shin like the whole lower

1034
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 2: leg craw yeah.

1035
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah yeah. Like you just run your hand up

1036
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 9: and that first joint that you feel there's a little

1037
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 9: bit little ridge in there. You just get your knife

1038
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 9: in there and it should I mean, you can kind

1039
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 9: of hit it from underneath and.

1040
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: It'll just crack off yep, yep, and it.

1041
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 9: Won't cut the Achilles tent.

1042
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: Anything else that's that's helpful or people should be doing

1043
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: to like make sure they're gonna have some like high

1044
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: quality meat once it's in the freezer.

1045
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 9: Keeping stuff as clean as possible obviously that helps out

1046
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 9: our whole, you know, us processing. But it also it's

1047
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 9: gonna you're gonna get more meatback because we don't have

1048
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 9: to trim as much off. Yeah, and then I'd say,

1049
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 9: I know Yanny and I have talked about this weasoning, right,

1050
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 9: but just at least getting that wind pipe out of there,

1051
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 9: because that thing carries so much bacteria and it'll hold

1052
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 9: onto heat too. And so if you can pull that

1053
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 9: out of there, you're gonna get meat. You're gonna things

1054
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 9: are just gonna stay cleaner.

1055
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: So do you have any we do.

1056
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: Get you got any opinions on gutting versus gutless method?

1057
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 9: No, not really. I mean, if you can get as

1058
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 9: much meat as possible off with the gutless method, that's fine.

1059
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 9: I I I tend to pick up a lot of roadkill.

1060
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 9: We live on a highway. Yeah, you know, I go,

1061
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 9: I am on it all the time, so I see

1062
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 9: when stuff gets hit and I'll pick it up. So

1063
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 9: I end up doing a lot of gutless method because

1064
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 9: those things are usually a little exploded, and I don't

1065
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 9: see a problem with it. You know if you can,

1066
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 9: If you can gut it, that's great and get the

1067
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 9: whole thing out. Obviously you're gonna get a little bit

1068
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 9: more meat off that. But no, I have no problem

1069
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 9: with the gutless method at all.

1070
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay, what are like the most common mistakes people

1071
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: are making out there?

1072
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 9: I think, you know, not not planning the head to

1073
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 9: keep clean and I don't if you want to throw

1074
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 9: even a trash bag in your in your pack and

1075
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 9: just lay it down, it's going to weigh nothing, and

1076
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 9: you're gonna have a place to put that meat on.

1077
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 9: When you're pulling off quarters or whatever. You can put

1078
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 9: it on the hide, but the hides off and dirty.

1079
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 9: You know, I run into that problem too. It's it's

1080
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 9: hard to keep things super clean as far as bringing

1081
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 9: stuff to us. When you're putting stuff into game bags,

1082
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 9: don't try to keep things in as big, like the

1083
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 9: biggest chunks possible, right Because when I open a game

1084
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 9: bag and there's a bunch of little pieces that fall out,

1085
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 9: there's not a lot I can do. I can't trim that,

1086
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 9: and if it's already a little bit dirty, it's going

1087
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 9: to go in the trash.

1088
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, if you're if you're on like a big backcountry

1089
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: hunt miles in, it's tempting to debone those quarters. But

1090
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: if you're taking it to someone like Anna, it's like

1091
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: not the best thing for her to work on. So

1092
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: something if you.

1093
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 9: Can debone it and keep it. You know, big chunks

1094
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 9: all good, but it's a little you know, I'll dump

1095
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 9: out and it'll be like.

1096
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: A little quarter size mystery chunks, not a lot.

1097
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, exact, Yeah, exactly.

1098
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: And how fast can you do an elk, not wrapped

1099
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: but just just skinned, broken down into into you know,

1100
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: rose steaks and maybe a pile of grind.

1101
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 9: That's a good question. I mean i'd say two hours, maybe.

1102
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: Two hours probably, Yeah.

1103
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 9: I don't usually. I mean I'm either like skinning it

1104
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 9: and hanging it or it's already quarter and then I'm

1105
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 9: going to go cut it. But you know, like I

1106
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 9: used to, I got into this from working at a

1107
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 9: shop and I worked on the kill floor and I

1108
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 9: would skin and got thirty sheep in a day, sometimes

1109
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 9: twenty before lunch. So I can skin and got pretty fast. Yeah,

1110
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 9: it's just cutting. It'll take a little bit longer.

1111
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, are there anything You probably have a pretty

1112
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: good clientele that knows what they're doing. But are there

1113
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: some things that might cause you to like just to

1114
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: refuse working on an animal or like a set of

1115
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 2: quarters or whatever.

1116
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've learned my lesson as far as like checking

1117
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 9: in game bags before I take stuff, especially if it's

1118
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 9: from people I don't know. Last year, I got the

1119
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 9: dirtiest stuff I've ever seen, Like you would have thought

1120
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 9: they tied it to the back of their truck and

1121
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 9: just drug it for the dirt to bring it out.

1122
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 9: But and I didn't realize that until after the fact,

1123
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 9: So I did charge them. I'll charge a dirty feet,

1124
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 9: you know, if there's not if I don't see it beforehand.

1125
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 9: And then like during archery season, we'll have people call

1126
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 9: and they didn't really have a plan and there's been

1127
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 9: you know, an antelope that's been in the hot garage

1128
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 9: for two days, and it's like, I'm not going to

1129
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 9: take that on because the meat's going to be spoiled. Yeah,

1130
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 9: it's not worth putting, you know, our business at risk

1131
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 9: to give you something that might make you sick or

1132
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 9: isn't going to taste very good. Yeah, So I think

1133
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 9: having a plan beforehand, whether it's know that you're gonna

1134
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 9: get out and you're gonna call a few people see

1135
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 9: if they have openings, and you know, if they don't,

1136
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 9: you you're if you have a last minute plan that

1137
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 9: you can at least do it. But don't let it

1138
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 9: hang to the point that it rots. That drives me.

1139
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: If you were giving advice to someone who's just getting

1140
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: in up processing their own animal, like, what would you

1141
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: tell them like as far as what they need to

1142
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: know or what equipment they absolutely should get themselves.

1143
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 9: Just don't overthink it. You know, you really can't mess

1144
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 9: it up. You might not get the cut that you

1145
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 9: want because you accidentally cut through it or whatever, but

1146
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 9: everything can be at least turned into burger or sausage,

1147
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 9: So don't stress too hard about it. Watch some YouTube videos.

1148
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 9: There's some really good videos out there that will show

1149
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 9: breakdown and seam. Butchering is is pretty easy. I mean

1150
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 9: you can you can see, you know, like inside round

1151
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 9: sirloin tip you can see it on there and yeah,

1152
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 9: but you don't have to go crazy with it. Don't

1153
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 9: stress yourself out. Everything's edible as long as it's clean.

1154
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 9: As far as tools to have, honestly, a sharp knife

1155
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 9: is about all you need when I'm doing game processing.

1156
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 9: That's all I use, and I don't. Jesse and I

1157
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 9: were just talking about this. He makes knives and he

1158
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 9: has the ability to, you know, sharpen stuff with his grinder.

1159
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: We don't.

1160
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 9: We really don't sharpen our knives. And for as much

1161
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 9: as we use them, you'd think that we'd be sharpening them,

1162
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 9: but we use I have it here. This is my savior.

1163
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 9: It's a honing steel. Yeah, and that's all I use.

1164
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 9: And like you know, in the summer, I butcherr chickens

1165
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 9: and I'll do over three hundred chickens a day and

1166
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 9: I that's all use and I won't even sharpen it

1167
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 9: at the end of the day. So I think for people,

1168
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 9: I think knives become sort of a a stressor. I

1169
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 9: don't know how to sharpen it. I don't know what

1170
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 9: you know what knife to get? You can get a

1171
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 9: big cornox, or you can spend money on a knife.

1172
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 9: But as long as you've got it, like I would say,

1173
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 9: honing steel is really all you need to learn how

1174
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 9: to use it.

1175
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: And but I think the key, it'll say, yea, the

1176
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: key and right, is that you're using that honing steel constantly.

1177
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: Through the day and you don't let that blade get

1178
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: to the point where you can't bring it back, or

1179
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: do you feel like you can actually sharpen a blade

1180
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: that's like completely dull. Can you bring it back just

1181
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: with that steel or at that point do you have

1182
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: to grind it a little bit?

1183
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 9: At that point, you need to grind it a little bit,

1184
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 9: because that's steel. What it's doing. There's burrs on the

1185
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 9: edge of that knife, and as you're cutting, they're going

1186
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 9: to fold over, and this honing steel is just lining

1187
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 9: the burrs up again. So it'll start to feel like

1188
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 9: it's dull. It's not. It's just those burrs are out

1189
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 9: of line, and so you hone it back into a

1190
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 9: line and it'll be sharp again. But if you've got

1191
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 9: something that is past the point of you know, the

1192
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 9: whole edge is rolled over or whatever, you're gonna have

1193
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 9: to use a stone or a grinder grinding belt.

1194
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: I got one more for you, and uh, I want

1195
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: to get your opinion. There's like people choose you know,

1196
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: lead bullets or copper bullets, solid bullets, like for various reasons,

1197
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: but from from from your perspective as someone who's cutting

1198
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: up meat all the time, what would you choose? Would

1199
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: you choose like a lead bullet or a solid copper

1200
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: bullet as far as like getting getting good meat.

1201
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 9: You know, I've I've thought about this a lot, and

1202
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 9: I feel like this, the copper versus lead, it's so complicated. Yeah,

1203
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 9: you know, it'd be an interesting experiment to sort of

1204
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 9: ask people as they drop stuff off what they used, right,

1205
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 9: I mean I will find stuff sometimes, like I last year,

1206
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 9: you know, I pulled a couple of copper bullets out

1207
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 9: of an elk shank. I don't really know what was

1208
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 9: going on there, but so I will find stuff. I'll find,

1209
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 9: you know, something in the ribs or in the if

1210
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 9: if something gets stuck in a shoulder blade or whatever.

1211
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 9: But it kind of runs the gamut. I mean, I

1212
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 9: find all kinds of stuff. And I really think, like

1213
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 9: my understanding and my my feeling on this is just

1214
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 9: it depends on the caliber you're using, It depends on

1215
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 9: how far you think you're going to be shooting, and

1216
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 9: sort of your confidence in even recovering an animal, right,

1217
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 9: because in my mind it's like the whole the lead

1218
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 9: thing is like, if you're not sure that that animal

1219
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 9: is going to go down, then that's really where you

1220
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 9: hate some issues. And like, you know, we do mobile

1221
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 9: slaughter when we're not doing game processing, we're doing bubble slaughter,

1222
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 9: and we use lead, but and we're using thirty eight

1223
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 9: special or I'm trying to think what else we have

1224
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 9: right now. I think we're just using thirty eight specially

1225
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 9: right now. But that's lead. But we also just can

1226
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 9: pull it out of the skull in the back of

1227
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 9: the neck. We know where that's going, so look at it.

1228
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: Can you look at a front quarter on an elk

1229
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: or a deer that's that was shot in the shoulder

1230
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, I know what that was. Like

1231
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: do you see more damage from one or the other.

1232
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 9: Or I don't think I noticed so much as far

1233
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 9: as copper or lead. I notice caliber, oh really Like yeah, Like, well,

1234
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 9: you know there's a I picked up a deer from

1235
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 9: a kid the other day and he's like, oh, I

1236
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 9: shot all the way through it. I shot it with

1237
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 9: the two forty three and then another kid that had

1238
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 9: shot with three blew up both shoulders and I don't

1239
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 9: I don't know if they were copper lad. I didn't

1240
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 9: ask them. Yeah, it's like, man, you can tell, yeah,

1241
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 9: for sure, tell caliber, I'd say, but yeah, I don't know.

1242
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 9: I I you mentioning that makes me want to ask

1243
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 9: next season and sort of like take a survey.

1244
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you guys got anything for.

1245
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 9: You?

1246
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: Look like you're falling asleep over there.

1247
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 7: Geez.

1248
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 5: No, I was just thinking about how I didn't.

1249
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 9: Uh.

1250
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 4: I meant to defrost some steaks this morning from the

1251
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 4: elki dropped off yesterday, and I realized I failed to

1252
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 4: do that, So I'm gonna have to run home and

1253
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 4: get the souv'd fired up.

1254
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 5: Probably that's okay, that works.

1255
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,959
Speaker 9: That was fun cutting your olk because we have a

1256
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 9: I've got this old band saw. That makes game processing

1257
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 9: pretty fun because I can do you know, like blade

1258
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 9: in shoulder Rose. I can do osbooka really easily cut

1259
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 9: short ribs if someone brings out ribs. Yeah, and did

1260
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 9: cutting for people like to cook?

1261
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1262
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 4: Anna did sit in the bison that my wife shot

1263
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 4: last year, and and we got ribs, and we got

1264
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: tomahawk steaks, and we got abuco bones and then we

1265
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 4: got just like long cut marrow bones out of the

1266
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 4: whole thing.

1267
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of that kind of stuff, Anna, ribs and osabuco

1268
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: and stuff. What what?

1269
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 7: Uh?

1270
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: What do you most often see like that they gets

1271
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: tossed or left on the carcass that hunters should be keeping.

1272
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: What like obviously they're you know, wanting waste laws where

1273
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: they have to keep certain stuff, But what do you

1274
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: see getting left behind? Well, and it could even be

1275
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: like organs.

1276
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 9: I'm a big fan of the tougher cuts, so like

1277
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 9: neck meat. I like doing the sort of low and

1278
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 9: slow cooking. Neck roasts are awesome. I also understand if

1279
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 9: people don't want to be cooking with the spinal cord

1280
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 9: in there and you're worried about seayby and stuff, But

1281
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 9: if you bone out that neck, that's really nice stew meat.

1282
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 9: I also on elk because I do this on beef

1283
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 9: all the time. You can pull the cheeks out, and

1284
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 9: cheek meat is one of my favorite. It is so good.

1285
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 9: And elk have at least big enough cheeks in people

1286
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 9: worth a deer might be a little like silver dollar size,

1287
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 9: but yeah, you just throw those in a Dutch oven

1288
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 9: and cook for sure. They're so good. Yeah, and you

1289
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 9: know tongues, people pull out tongues a lot. Hearts I

1290
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 9: like seeing that, and then livers if they're good. I'm

1291
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 9: a big liver fan. I know plenty of people aren't,

1292
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 9: which is fair, but yeah, I don't know. I think

1293
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 9: the more you play with it, the more you hunt,

1294
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 9: the more you've got, you know, options of what to cook.

1295
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 9: And it's really fun to get creative with it because

1296
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 9: it does you can get a little boring after a while,

1297
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 9: you know, just cooking back strapped and burger.

1298
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: All right, you guys, got anything else or we want

1299
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: to move on. We're good.

1300
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: Thanks Anna, Thank you, Anna.

1301
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: All right, get to work.

1302
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks for having me. I will.

1303
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: Thanks again.

1304
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: Thanks guys.

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01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: All right, Hot tip Off time? Oh geez, are you ready?

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 5: No, we need to play the jingle.

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01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 6: I I'm tired of this jingle.

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01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: Guys, Okay, feel's tired of it.

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01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 6: But we're gonna play it anyway, that's all.

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm kind of tired of it too, philm.

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01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 5: No, it's so good.

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01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 6: There's just some there's some segments we do a lot

1313
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 6: because they're good segments like hot tip Off, and we

1314
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 6: hear that jingle all the time, and it doesn't help

1315
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 6: that it's one of the more poppy, i'd say, annoying

1316
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 6: creating jingles. I think you're right, we got to bring

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01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 6: back we got to bring back tattoos. I regret Brody

1318
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 6: is thoroughly annoyed.

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 5: Right now.

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01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: I love all of Phil's songs except for that one.

1321
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: I hate it.

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01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 6: I got to kill the segment then, sorry.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

1324
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: Hot Tip Off where two listeners go head to head

1325
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: with competing pieces of advice, and after we hear each tip,

1326
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: we'll chat about who we think should win, but the

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01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: audience is going to decide who does win. If you

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: got a hot tip yourself, take one minute ish video

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01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: and email it to radio at themediater dot com and

1330
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: and you might get you might get your hot tip

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: into the show show and win something. We do have

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: a price today.

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01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was gonna ask, is there something that

1334
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: they're winning? Just fun.

1335
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 5: Goodness, gracious backpack?

1336
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: What's this thing called again? Be honest?

1337
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh I know you're gonna ask me that it's the

1338
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: uh transfer light.

1339
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got like it's like Santa's toy bag man.

1340
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: We got stuff in there. We gotta signed copy of

1341
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: the Meat Eater calendar there, which you guys should go

1342
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: buy if you don't have one, because we kicked back

1343
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: some money to b h A. It's a great like

1344
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: stocking stuffer.

1345
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: Buy some for your friends family.

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01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's not expensive.

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01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 9: Man.

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 4: Anybody who loves trucks or the F word, they'll get

1349
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 4: a kick out of it, exactly.

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: And also in there was a rattle bag. This is

1351
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: a that's the felt smash and clash.

1352
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 6: I like that.

1353
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: So there you go. Got some stuff for white tail hunters.

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 5: And that's a hell of a hell of a hall.

1355
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: I think you could use this bag for other stuff.

1356
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I like you could throw I'd use it

1357
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: for bird hunting. I'd put it in my boat and

1358
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: shove some stuff in there. It's not just for white tails.

1359
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 2: So there we go. There's our prize. Let's see here.

1360
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: Who do we got. Let's see the hot tips.

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caden Bonner and Dak Cash. So make sure you're

1362
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: throwing your boat in. Uh, and we'll figure out who

1363
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: the winner is. Philly, Philly, ready to roll them.

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01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 5: Let's do it, Caden Bonter, this is good.

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01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm already.

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Speaker 8: My name is Caden, and I am from Nebraska. This

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01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 8: last weekend we were out for Nebraska rifle season and

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01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 8: heard a bunch of coyokes and so we were trying

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01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 8: to figure out how to call them in and make

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01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 8: a predator call. So pulled out a little debbie out

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 8: of my backpack, which most hunters should have, and came

1372
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 8: up with how to make comparator call.

1373
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 5: Like that and then just pulled tight.

1374
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 3: Improvisers, Yeah, like.

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01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: That definitely would work.

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01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 8: And that is how you make a predator call out

1377
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 8: of a little bebby wrapper.

1378
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: There we go, dack cash.

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 10: Hey me, your crew had a hot tip for you,

1380
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 10: mostly for small game hunters, especially squirrels. If you don't

1381
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 10: like packing your squirrels out in a game bag or

1382
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 10: a vest like you gotta do, cut your little a

1383
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 10: little green limb by like this, sharpen one end. Got

1384
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 10: a squirrel by the back leg Rip those two side

1385
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 10: toes off, sometimes harder than others. You can use your

1386
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 10: knife if you want to. Once you rip those toes,

1387
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 10: stick the stick in between pennons and the bones. You

1388
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 10: got a squirrel carrier.

1389
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 5: It's like a fish.

1390
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 10: And if you don't, if you get tired to carry it,

1391
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 10: you can stick it in You're built looke.

1392
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 5: That's the whole system. I love it.

1393
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: Nice early man tool there, So that part I like

1394
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 2: a lot hands free.

1395
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 10: You want to make a squirrel come out and look

1396
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 10: at you, you can click the tail. Thank you God

1397
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 10: that cash.

1398
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,839
Speaker 1: Mark and so play nickmes are here, Randall?

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01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 2: Who you like?

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 9: Oh?

1401
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 6: I like?

1402
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 5: I mean.

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 4: Caden won me over at first because of his commitment

1404
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 4: to Little Debbie snack products. I think that was an

1405
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 4: oatmeal cream pie, one of the one of the finest

1406
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 4: I used to house those things.

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, we get, but man, I'm just Dak charmed me

1408
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 11: with his accent, with his innovative uh, squirrel handling techniques,

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 11: and just the versatility of that whole tip.

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01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: You're honest, I'll have to agree. I mean it's very

1411
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: uh what do you call it when you like come

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01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: up with something on the spot.

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 6: Improvising?

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01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Cad cat how do you say his name?

1415
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: Caen?

1416
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Caden?

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01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 7: Uh?

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01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: Improvised great? And you know it happened. I wish you

1419
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: would have told us if they actually called something in

1420
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: with it.

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean both of these guys improvised great.

1422
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good tips.

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 4: But you know, and the thing is is, if I

1424
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 4: were out deer hunting and I heard some coyotes, I

1425
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 4: would think, uh, damn, I don't have a predator call.

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01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 5: I think what can I do to make a predator?

1427
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: Definitely it's close.

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01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 5: I like that mindset.

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: I like the idea of just building something on the

1430
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 2: spot too, Like you don't always got to go, you know,

1431
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 2: buy something, You can just make it right there. It's cool,

1432
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 2: you know. So I'm leaning towards DAK. But it doesn't

1433
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: matter what we think, It matters what the audience thinks.

1434
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 6: Phil, I'd say one of our listeners was in a

1435
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 6: runaway lead, and the poll is tightening quickly. Really, so

1436
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 6: your votes matter. Get in there. Yeah, we'll give it

1437
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 6: another thirty seconds or so.

1438
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 2: You got any other comments we can hit while we're

1439
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 2: You're Italian votes and oh.

1440
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 6: Sure, let's see here. Cliff is wondering, serious question. Are

1441
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 6: we going to see Randall Clause this year?

1442
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 5: Just wait tbd TBD, but gotta watch it.

1443
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 4: Just the thing is, you got to believe he doesn't

1444
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 4: come unless you believe.

1445
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: It's like the Polar Express.

1446
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: But I feel like you and Brent are kind of

1447
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: battling for Santa Claus rights around.

1448
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 2: Well, Brent's a Southerner, he can't win.

1449
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's got it.

1450
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 6: Well, that's both of you guys are going to be

1451
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 6: on that live tour. Yeah, you guys had like, you know,

1452
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 6: a rock paper scissors Rochambeau. Who's going to be taking.

1453
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 5: Brent's doing it. I tried to.

1454
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 4: I tried to insert myself, but I didn't want to

1455
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 4: be like I'd like to be Santa. I didn't want

1456
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 4: to put myself on that. I just said, you know,

1457
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 4: if you needs someone to wear the whole time, I'll

1458
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 4: do that.

1459
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 2: Maybe he could be Father Christmas and you'd be like

1460
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 2: his apprentice.

1461
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 4: Or we could be different regional variations on Santa, like

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01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 4: I would be. I would be Chris Kringle or some

1463
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 4: sort of Germanic.

1464
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: Right, have a lot of He might get tired and

1465
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: need a break.

1466
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, he is older, he might tire out.

1467
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, stay tuned for Randall Claus. I want Phil well Man.

1468
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 6: It's hard for me to I'm gonna give them another

1469
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 6: thirty seconds because it's so close.

1470
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: Let's do one more.

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01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should see three hundred and thirty four votes

1472
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 5: in there, guys.

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 6: Okay, If you guys could sacrifice Steve to the hunting

1474
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 6: gods and return for any tag species or location, what

1475
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 6: would it be? This is from Evan M.

1476
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 1: I'd probably go on some super expensive stone sheep huntains

1477
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: stone sheep.

1478
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if I mean, I'd love a mountain

1479
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 4: goat hunt. But given the given that we're sacrificing Steve

1480
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 4: for this, I feel like you sort of owe it

1481
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 4: to Steve.

1482
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 5: To go for the big, high dollar hunt.

1483
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you go do a Kate Buffalo.

1484
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 5: Do a Marco polo hunt.

1485
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 2: Man, I'd take aim. I know it's Steve, but I'd

1486
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 2: take it.

1487
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 3: Just a big horn hunt right here, Montana.

1488
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that question would be pretty cool.

1489
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 6: This is wild. It is flipping back and forth every

1490
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 6: two or three seconds.

1491
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 2: I can't Clara Winner, then we're just gonna happen.

1492
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 6: I will, But over two hundred people who are watching

1493
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 6: this right now have not voted.

1494
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 5: Can Can we set a timer?

1495
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 6: Should I set a timer?

1496
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1497
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 6: Sixty more seconds? We have to. We have to end

1498
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 6: it at some point.

1499
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 2: All right, one more comment. We'll come back into Clara Winner.

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, my teeth are about to float, all.

1501
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 6: Right, hold on honest as to pee in the timer?

1502
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 5: Oh I see does.

1503
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: Bring a key bottle into the studio.

1504
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 5: I thought that was like a comment about it malnourished.

1505
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 6: Do we have any muzzleloader people's muzzleoader experience at the

1506
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 6: table here? Maybe is asking what muzzleloader powder bullet combo

1507
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 6: have you found to be most accurate.

1508
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: If he's talking about inline muzzleloaders, which I have much

1509
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: more experienced with, Like you can't go wrong, like with

1510
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 2: a TC muzzleloader in line blackhorn. It's just like the

1511
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: regular black horn black powder. It might even be synthetic

1512
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 2: black powder, and I use uh, I think it's Federal's

1513
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: copper bullets. And I've done real well with that combination.

1514
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 4: And it probably depends a lot on the state that

1515
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 4: you're in and what they're right.

1516
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: They got different, different rules for sure, but like I

1517
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 2: don't A lot of the inline muscle loaders these days

1518
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 2: are set up for magnum loads of one hundred and

1519
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: fifty grains. I have found that I've gotten way better

1520
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: accuracy results by not going with you can choose what

1521
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 2: load you use. You don't have to use one hundred

1522
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 2: and fifty grains of powder, and I've always done way

1523
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 2: better with about one hundred grains accuracy wise. And I

1524
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: shot a Shyris kow moose with that set up and

1525
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: it went right.

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01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 3: Through both of her shoulders, So there you go.

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01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 6: Okay, I let it run And the person who started

1528
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 6: off in the lead also ended up winning our winner

1529
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 6: with fifty three percent of the vote at the end

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01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 6: on nail.

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01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: That's not even close in a presidential election, Phil No,

1532
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 2: but it was fifty to fifty going back and forth

1533
01:16:58,680 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: for a while.

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 6: So so the guy's fan stepped up, and that person

1535
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 6: is Dak with the squirrel holder.

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01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 5: Squirrelman, Dak. Congratulations, he doesn't need.

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01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: That squirrel holder anymore. You can shove him all in

1538
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 2: his bag.

1539
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 6: That's congrats, Dak.

1540
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 2: There you go.

1541
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 4: Beautiful work everybody, and we'll have our producer Jake reach

1542
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 4: out to you.

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01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 3: Yep.

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01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 6: Who is He's actually in the room today from Missoula.

1545
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 6: He's in Bozeman. I don't do have his camera on.

1546
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 6: I do have his camera on.

1547
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: Say hi Jae.

1548
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 9: He is.

1549
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks everyone for tuning in. Before we go,

1550
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: we've got some uh, we've got some great new gifty

1551
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: stuff in the store. We've got some new gnome uh

1552
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 2: Gnome logo where we've got some some of our spices

1553
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 2: up there now, spice mixes that Bayou Boil I can

1554
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: tell you is very good. I've used it a couple

1555
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,520
Speaker 2: of times on some fish and it's great.

1556
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:53,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

1557
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: Live tour guys, what do you got to say about that.

1558
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 5: Getting excited, getting real excited.

1559
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 2: Some of those venues are getting close to selling out,

1560
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: so people need to buy their tickets.

1561
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1562
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 4: Last I saw that it's like eighty percent sold out,

1563
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 4: which is compared to prior years. Like one of the

1564
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 4: venues is already Fetville.

1565
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, Clay Clay's crew came out in force.

1566
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,839
Speaker 2: Clayre's family, Yeah, Clay's extended Mountain family.

1567
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, they came down from the very supportive.

1568
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's always fun to go do do these things.

1569
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a marathon, but we'll have

1570
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 1: a good time.

1571
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: You guys.

1572
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 6: More most is from Moor. He was setting us up

1573
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 6: for this question for Randall and Jan Sorry Brody, but

1574
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 6: he's he's asking how nervous do you guys get before

1575
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 6: it Tour's.

1576
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 5: Good to hear from Moor, even if it's at the

1577
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 5: very end.

1578
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 2: I feel like Mogar is starting to have a little

1579
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: too much influence on this show.

1580
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 5: Nope, Nope, he's.

1581
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 6: Been nothing but supportive and kind.

1582
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 4: I'll say this, Mogor last year, I was very, very

1583
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 4: nervous before the first show, and then it was like

1584
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 4: a drug and I couldn't get.

1585
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 5: Enough of it. Just the life of a showman.

1586
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: Sure those weren't the beers you had before the show.

1587
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 4: Could have been a few of those. But just going

1588
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 4: out there have fun. Uh, And I'm a warrior. I

1589
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 4: get stressed out about things to get anxious. But god,

1590
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 4: it's like a drug just being on the stage with

1591
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 4: the hot spotlight on you, the microphone in your hand,

1592
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 4: and they're just eating from the ether. They're just eating

1593
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,839
Speaker 4: from your palm. Oh, nothing better. Working on some great material.

1594
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 4: Need to workshop a at a couple of stand up

1595
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 4: nights this week, but we should be good to go.

1596
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: Nice. I need to work on my material too. I've

1597
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: got I feel like I've got a decent amount of stories.

1598
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I haven't actually recited it yet, but yeah,

1599
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: we've been doing it so long now, Mulgora that it's

1600
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: just you just realize that, I don't know, people in

1601
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: the audience are more they're more nervous than you are.

1602
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: Right, you're honest. What do we got going on with roasts?

1603
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 3: Oh?

1604
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, a new episode dropped, maybe already on meter YouTube channel.

1605
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: It's Best Burger episode. Brody Anderson faces off with Nate

1606
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: Mason from f HF Gear.

1607
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 6: Oh, big guy and.

1608
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: Good, great guy.

1609
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 6: It was live as of an hour ago, so.

1610
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: Go watch it and tell us what you think in

1611
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: the comments, and if you have any ideas for media

1612
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: or roast, drop in the comments too. Love to love

1613
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: to hear ideas on how to make that show better.

1614
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching.

1615
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: All right, signing off, We'll see you guys next week. Thanks.

1616
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 6: Let's Oh no wait, I forgot almost ended the stream

1617
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 5: So cool if the outro had played right As soon

1618
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 5: as I said that, I tried