WEBVTT - I can never pick you up here again. (S5 E6 "Norman Mailer, I'm Pregnant”) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.000 I am all in. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:19.279 I's you, I am all in with Scott Patterson and 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:20.640 iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.440 Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.920 of other productions I heard radio. He's in five, episode six, 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:31.640 Norman Mailer, I'm pregnant. I am joined by Danielle Romo 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.360 who's in another room, and Amy Sugarman, who is in 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.960 the same world. Ladies, welcome, how are you? How is 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.680 everybody wears Tara? 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:44.400 She's late, but she's common. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:45.960 She's gonna be here. Okay, good. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.199 But I have like a couple of important updates for you. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:56.040 Number one, I will say and I know that last 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:01.640 week's episode, meaning TV episode, was not your favorite. And 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.200 what I have learned from reading all the comments is 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:09.160 many fans agree with you. Yes. A lot of fans 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.240 actually said they when they're doing their rewatches they skip 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:13.600 that one. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.520 Wow. Yeah. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.560 And a lot of people agreed like it wasn't very 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:24.160 luke like how he was, So you should feel okay 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.080 that it wasn't your favorite. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.920 All of my self worth is tied up in this 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:37.119 podcast justice ever, so I'm going to have a good week. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:38.720 This is good news, thank you. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.360 The other one was we you know, look we try hard. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.880 We try hard, but we blow it. Sometimes we totally do. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.200 We messed up. We forgot Kyle. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.919 What we did? We do that we do we forget? 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.680 Have you forgot him? You just didn't really like chime 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.280 in when Tara and I come. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.320 Look, I was dialing your line at midnight and it 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.840 wasn't going through it. Just I tried. I tried, like heck, so. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.640 We own our mistakes. I mean, I pride myself on 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.919 being very knowledgeable on many shows, not just this show. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.520 And I did not place him. I screwed it up. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.720 So our apologies and. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.520 We were you know how many times bab Ruth struck out. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.560 He struck out more than anybody in major league history. Okay, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.839 don't feel bad, Yeah, don't feel so bad. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.160 And he's like the best basill player of all time ever, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.800 so it's like, yeah, you can't get one hundred if 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.160 you I love I love that everyone was reading Justice 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.480 for Kyle, Justice for Kyle, And I will tell you 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:48.480 this inside baseball story that could explain it. Many moons ago, 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.440 when Kyle made his first appearance, I did reach out 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.040 and try to book him because he's the kid from 0:02:55.040 --> 0:03:00.600 the Sandlot and I can't remember why, but he wasn't available, right, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.240 like he didn't want to do it or he doesn't 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.799 do interviews or whatever it was. For some reason he 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.680 couldn't do it. So I'm wondering did I purge him 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:13.240 from my mind? Like like, oh, he doesn't want to 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:13.920 come on our show? 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.760 Okay, he doesn't exist. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.240 He doesn't exist, so that like I just forgot about him. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.560 So anyway, imagine not wanting to come on this show. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.959 Can you just getting that call and saying no? I 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:27.040 can't imagine. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:32.240 It barely happens. That's the thing. The Gilmore stars love 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.240 Gilmore Girls, so pretty much everyone says yes. So I 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.480 think maybe that's why I was like, what he doesn't 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.920 want to come on? What? He didn't exist to me anymore? 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.920 Well, look, it was a very funny video. It still is. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.280 Go check it out on Instagram account. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.800 And and Justice for Kyle Kyle does Exist. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.960 Again joined a movement hashtag out of it. We're going 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:01.680 to stand by. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.360 We should ask one more time, Danielle. Maybe we just 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.880 ask his name's Chauncey, right, yeah, let's ask him one 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.600 more time. Maybe we just try one more because now 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.360 it's justice for Kyle all. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.120 Right, So listen, I'm going to do a little piece 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.040 of business here everybody. I'm going to be at Louisville 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:28.679 Popcorn middle of June, so go to Louisville Popcon website 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.279 get your tickets. I'm also going to be in Corpus 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.600 Christy at the end of July, and I'm working on 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.520 something for August and September as well. I'll let you know. Anyway, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.640 let's get to this episode. Norman Mayler, I Am Pregnant, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.560 Danielle synopsize us or four. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.599 All right, this is season five, episode six, Norman Mailer, 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.080 I'm Pregnant Air day, October twenty six, two thousand and four. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.920 Lorlei and Suki are thrilled when a cultural icon starts 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:00.040 frequenting the Dragonfly in dining room in order to I 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.719 set some expenses. At the end, they have to stop 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:08.880 serving lunch. Dundune, Rory discovers an intriguing secret society at Yale, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:14.720 Christopher resurfaces because he needs lorealized help, and Sukie realizes 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:15.760 she's pregnant. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:22.239 Wow, I'll tell you and Tara, Hello, welcome, Hello, relate 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:26.440 than never. You're pretty early, so good. Good to see yourself. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:28.360 I made it right on time. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.839 You were right there. Yeah, no, no, you'll go right 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.440 on times. Yeah, yeah, I mean late. You're pretty early, Yeah, 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:35.080 you're pretty early. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.640 There's so much to talk about in this episode. I'm overwhelmed. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.400 It's I gotta tell you. My my reaction to this 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.840 episode was just give me more, Matt Secret, more and 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.200 more and more more. I've never seen I've rarely seen 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.640 a better introduction to a character in my whole life. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.480 This is the way you introduced I agree. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.480 I know we talk about it when we go in order, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.279 but like when he put that hat on, it said 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:08.880 press and he did that hit. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:09.840 I still. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:11.799 So awesome. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.080 Genius, genius. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.600 I am obsessed with him. I agree. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:21.440 I think it was a television history and that that's 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.640 the thing that you would show, like I don't want 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.120 to be morbid, you know, but when we all croak, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.560 you know, maybe they'll maybe they'll feature something for me. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.240 I don't know, a cut like this is definitely Matt 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.000 will right like eighty years or whatever, it's going to 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.200 be sixty seventy years, they'll play that clip. That's that's 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.800 the beautiful clip. Sorry, Matt, I don't mean he's got 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.159 a lot, a lot of movie. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.839 So I have a question for you guys. And it's 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.480 not a criticism, it's not a compliment. I don't know 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:54.160 what it is. The opening scene for me was good, 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.480 but it was so frenetic it kind of made me uncomfortable, 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.960 Like I was like, oh, did anybody else feel that? 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.640 Like there was you know what I think it is? 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.640 I think I think it's my fault. You know what. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.920 I think it's my fault. I think it's my fault 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.400 as an actor because I got too caught up in 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.920 Lauren's speed and her rhythm and I didn't maintain my 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:18.040 own rhythm. Really, it wasn't really Luke like, was it. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.920 No, And now that you say it, something was like 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.160 it was a funny scene and kind of Laura I like, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.120 but almost a lot. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.520 No, no, no. I thought she was great. She was fine. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.240 She's doing her stick, that's what she does, and she's 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.760 great at it. I just don't think I served that 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.280 scene very well because I tried to speed everything up. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.720 I tried to speed my speech up instead of just 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.960 sort of living in it and let it exist with me. 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.280 There's a way, there's but there's a way to pick 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.320 up your cues when you don't have to rush anything, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.560 but you're not slowing the other person down. I don't 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:50.440 think I achieved that. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:51.200 I don't know. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:52.880 I thought it was funny when you said I can 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.000 never pick you up here again. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:56.280 I don't know. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.960 It was just very frenetic with it, like with the 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.040 socks and then in the bites and the jeep on 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.000 because I was. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:09.040 Just like, nobody does that. No one puts their socks 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:09.680 in the oven. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.160 And I got distracted because then I was like, well, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.200 now I know that the oven doesn't work, so they're 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:15.800 not warm. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:17.080 Right. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.600 It was just I'm not saying it wasn't good. I'm 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:21.360 sure people. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.320 Because you know how dared you, right, I mean, it's 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.840 this is this is us you're talking about. Man. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.720 It does not be critical anywhere. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.640 I agree with you. I thought that. But there I 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.320 gave my reason, and there it is. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.240 Yeah, that's an interesting reason because I don't know what 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.120 it was for me. It was just and I don't 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.720 know if I'm using the right word, but I think 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.079 frenetic is the right word. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.960 It's hard, it's hard not to get caught up and 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.360 and what she's doing, you know, but you can't let 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.480 yourself get get seduced so much. You got to maintain 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.160 who your character. Truth is, character truth is. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.120 it's just it's not a big adjustment. I just don't 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.480 think I made the I made the adjustment here and there, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.280 but I just sort of let it. It was swept 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:09.840 away in it. It's not I was. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.439 Worried about the keys, and the keys are on the door, 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.280 those are little doors. The socks are the oven, and 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.240 then the corp light's broken. I was just like, ooh, 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:20.120 I don't feel good. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:25.800 Yeah, was that the first time that Linke and Laurrela 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.079 have churned your stomach? 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.560 But you know what I did like about the open What. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:31.760 Did you have for dinner that night? 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:37.040 I have an ant acid. The thing I did like though, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.480 that I thought was super cute was the door open, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:45.240 because it started actually slow, door open, Hey, hey, back kiss, 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.960 and I'm like, they're a couple. Whoa, that's cute. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.920 And then it just well, he kept the door. He 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.959 kept the front door open, hoping to get her out fast, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.840 and then when he realized it wasn't gonna happen, he 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.400 just gave up the closed door. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:02.080 So then I have another question. I usually press skip 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.960 on the credits, but this time, I didn't, and I 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:10.080 think there might have been some new footage. So next week, 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.240 can everybody watch because I've been skipping, so I'm not sure. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:14.800 Yeah, I usually skip too. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.800 So we got to watch the credits and just see 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:18.160 if there's some new things. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.480 More homework, I mean it never ends the emails, the 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.360 text can you do this? Can you do that? 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:23.640 Now? 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.280 Live on the air, you guys have more homework. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.840 To do that extra thirty seconds. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:36.600 So anyway, okay, then we get to First of all, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.800 I did notice in the credits, not the opening credits, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.440 but the you know, once the show starts, we knew 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.560 that Matt was back. I think he's like special guest 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.640 star or something in this. So I was thrilled Paris 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.959 had the dream about Rory. Rory really wants to get features. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.160 Rory's in a pink, cute, pink sweater. That's sort of 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:56.800 what's happening. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.839 I like Rory in the what is it called the 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.240 al Daily News? What is it called it? Yeah, what 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.680 is the paper? What is it called? What is it called? 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:05.839 What's the newspaper called? 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.880 We have to look that up exactly, and I mean 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.640 Savior letters. We know we should know it. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.600 All the topic at Yale Newspaper. It says, but I 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.440 love being in there, I love the action. I love Doyle. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.560 Yeah yeah, the Yale Daily News, Yale Daly. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.559 Did you know Doyle whose real names out of my 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.880 head right now, created that Michael Keaton show about the 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.440 opioid crisis? That guy is legit. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.319 Yeah he. I think he won or was nominated for 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.719 an Emmy for that, the Al Gore yeah election, the 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:40.200 Hanging Chad thing. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.680 Yeah, and what's the opioid show with Michael Keaton? Someone 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:45.120 give me that. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:46.000 He did Empire too. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.360 It's Danny Strong he created. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.959 Yeah, and I didn't realize he also did that Michael 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.960 Keaton whatever it was. Somebody tell me the title. And 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.240 I saw him the dope Sick, Dope sick Yeah. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:11:59.680 Yeah. Yeah. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.199 He's been on the news a lot because ultimately he's 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.360 a writer, and so he's on strike with all the 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.480 writers right now, and so he's been on the news 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.600 quite a bit. But to me, he's Doyle prolific. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.520 He's a prolific writer. Yeah. Yeah. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.040 So it's so nice to see Rory like not just 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.480 in her dorm like last freshman year, she was just 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.320 always in her dorm and I'm like, oh, she's like mingling. 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.920 Like finally, it's like a a whole year. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:28.840 You get here. 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.800 I thought it would hurt the show, separating mother and daughter, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.880 but it actually enhanced it. Yeah, they figured it out. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.000 It's like I like her, Yeah, I like her. Now 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.479 she's now she's in the belly of the beast. She's 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.719 making a friends, she's doing stuff, she's interacting, and it's 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.720 all she's busy. I like to see it. I want 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:48.400 more to come. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.720 Shout out to Glenn forgetting in the New York Times. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.240 And then the bit with Doyle was. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.040 Another another great Glenn appearance, totally like what's the big deal? 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:57.640 I don't care? 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.840 And Rory trying to see the bright side for Doyle, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.600 and then Doyle just flipping the script on her like oh, okay, really, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.840 I'm the Muncie Messenger or whatever. He's a good character. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:09.440 He is. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.200 I didn't like him at first, but now I'd rather 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:13.000 enjoy Doyle. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.000 Danielle, do you have any predictions for anything you see 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.559 with Doyle, Like just anything that comes off the top 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.520 of your head of what you might just predict a 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.400 Doyle prediction. Doyle prediction. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:26.680 You know. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.200 He's gonna ask Rory out to the dance. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:35.840 Oh good, I did not. That was not on my radar. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.800 But now that you said it, we're. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:38.360 Not going to tell you. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.640 We're just wanting to know for the two virgins in 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:41.359 the group. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.400 On he is totally going to get a crush on Rory, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.440 but then Rory's going to get a crush on Logan, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.120 and then Doyle and Logan are going to hate each other. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:13:59.640 Are we close? 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.320 Are We're not gonna answer that. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.120 I'm not saying. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:08.880 It got with the assist. I appreciate that. That was good. 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:15.160 So then she goes home, goes down on the bed, 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.720 she's reading the paper. She's got Loralai on the phone. Oh, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.360 Luke did a bit, which is I've seen this episode 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.760 a lot of times for some reason, this one and 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.880 the next one like two of my can't out. But 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.160 I'd never have loved the bit about Luke doing a 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.320 bit when he's in the oven and hitting his head. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.920 But I don't know's I guess it's funny. I don't know. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.440 She's just relax and love and enjoying herself and having 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.040 a grand old time. Life is good, the inn is open, 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:52.560 she's got her relationship going on, it's and she she 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.720 owned that, you know, and she was just sitting in 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.560 that chair talking to her daughter and raised her daughter 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.240 daughter's at Yale. Life is good, you know. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.280 I do love that she's so comfortable with Rory, with Luke, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.360 do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's none 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.520 of this like not sneaking around like she had to 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.120 do before, but sneaking around like she had to do before. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.560 It's very much like I'm here, Luke's here. This is 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:16.440 this is real. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.800 And even at the end when she's like you sound happy, 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.680 it's like yeah, like she is happy, and it was 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.240 kind of like not that she needs Rory's approval, but 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.360 I feel like it felt like that, like thanks, Like yeah, 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:30.240 I am very happy. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.720 I've never understood Rory better or empathized with her more 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:40.880 than this episode because she got to measure her upbringing 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.520 Luke versus Christopher in a very definitive way and it 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:49.200 was very touching and it was very sad. Actually I 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.880 got very very sad, and now I understood Rory more 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.840 and better because of this episode. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:03.560 It's a powerful moment. This episode, for being light and fun, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.240 really actually has a lot of deep meaning. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.760 It'll punch into life there and give you some moments. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.200 Like yeah, then I really I can't wait to talk 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.600 to you guys about it. So as we get there, because. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.960 We'll show because I really want. 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.600 To talk about Sherry leaving and all of it. It's 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:26.320 like it's it's major in anyway. In the meantime, we 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.480 kind of get that Rory is sort of feeling a 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.600 little stressed because she didn't do an internship and she 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.920 feels behind and you know, so we're getting a little 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:38.240 of that, but it's a that's a really good scene 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.920 other than like morel laughing at Luke's head, hitting that. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:44.680 I didn't think. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.640 That Rory wasted two months being in Europe, did you guys, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.880 Because I was like, that's a whole experience that most 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.000 kids don't get at that age. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:17:00.760 That's experience. Yeah, I was time either, time all spent. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.000 You know. You can you can be in a couple 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.400 of dozen riots. You can get back on your bike 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.040 keeping bike to another ryot. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.880 It's wonderful and good food, good drinks. Yeah, and she's 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:15.719 of legal age to drink. You know, lots of bros. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.960 I think for the rioters it's wonderful. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.960 I think Tar's point of spending that time with your 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:26.119 grandmother is invaluable. You may not see it in the moment. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.080 Yeah, yeah, but yeah, no question. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.160 So then we meet Norman Mailer at the Inn, which is. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.440 Fact, that's actually her getting your PhD and. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:44.280 Snooty yeah, or also I think you look back when 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.000 your grandparents aren't here and you're like, oh, thank god 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:52.280 I did that. Yeah, so we meet Norman Mailer at 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:52.680 the Inn. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.760 Now, did everybody know who Norman Mailer was? 0:17:58.280 --> 0:17:58.600 Yes? 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:05.760 No, I thought he was a fictional character until now. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:15.480 Yeah, Well, so who is Norman Mayler? 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.840 Who is Norman may Well? I mean, yeah, he's the 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.879 guy who went to Harvard and graduated with a degree 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:28.000 in aeronautical engineering and was drafted into the war, volunteered, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.160 and he fought in World War Two, and when. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.280 He came back A lot about Norman. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.320 When he came back, he wrote The Naked and the 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.520 Dead and it made him an instant literary star. When 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.800 when writers used to be the top of the food 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:46.800 chain and the entertainment business in America, he was the 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.840 shining light. He was the novelist. It was. It was 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:54.159 him and Philip Roth and John dos Passos and a 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.840 couple of others Updyke was up there and saw Bellow 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.480 and people like that. I mean he was a guy 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.920 who with a big ego and a big brain. 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.280 And yeah, he wanted to be a little controversial. 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.640 Yeah, I mean there was. He he did a lot 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.239 of he did journalism too, and he kind of you know, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:18.119 he blended the subjective complexity and artistry of the novel 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.200 with journalistic objectivity. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.200 Now I don't be wrong, but allegedly he also stabbed 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.119 his wife with a pen in the heart. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.840 Oh my god, apparently in the heart. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:38.680 Yeah that so was he not controversial when you all 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.399 had him on the show, like even though because he 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.200 allegedly stabbed the wife. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:48.840 Like in the sixties, Yeah, he found his fame. I 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.159 mean I think they put Naked and the Dead was 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.840 published nineteen forty eight, so he was a star from 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.920 nineteen forty eight on. And then you know, the perception 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.240 was that he never matched The Naked and the Dead 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.199 and that and that by the time the sixties and 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.439 seventies rolled around, he know, he was publishing books that 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.520 didn't measure up according to some critics, and gore Vidal 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:18.720 went after the hardest. His friend, Well, I grew up 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.960 with with with Gurvidal and Norman Mailer. I mean, every 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:28.359 every man that graduated the Ivy League of the gi 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:32.320 Bill that was, you know, an English major wanted to 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.640 write the great American novel when they graduated, and he's 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.399 the guy that did it. My father included in that bunch, 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:40.800 and he never got the opportunity to do it until 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.320 later in his life. So right, interesting people used to 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.160 aspire to be writers. They wanted to be great novelists. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:51.800 They did Hemingway. You know, everybody was so turned on 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.040 by Hemingway. Men, women, everybody wanted to be Ernest Hemingway. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.560 Interestingly, the person interviewing him is his son, So he's 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.920 not playing his son. He's playing the journalist interviewing him. 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:05.440 But that is it's his real son. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:11.160 Yes, so that's played by Stephen Mahler. So you're welcome 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:11.960 for the history. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.159 But Mailer was controversial in that he was, you know, 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:22.760 pugilistic in his his academic style, his debating style. He 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.040 ran sure, he got physical with certain people, you know 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.240 New York mayor. He was kind of a tough guy. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.960 He was, you know, he he went up, went went 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.960 against Gloria Steinem and the Women's movement, and he debated 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:41.080 them in very nuanced and interesting ways, but then got 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:46.760 labeled as a male chauvinist pig, which was yeah, yeah, 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:50.320