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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one
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Speaker 1: Norman Mailer, I'm pregnant. I am joined by Danielle Romo
Speaker 1: who's in another room, and Amy Sugarman, who is in
Speaker 1: the same world. Ladies, welcome, how are you? How is
Speaker 1: everybody wears Tara?
Speaker 3: She's late, but she's common.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be here. Okay, good.
Speaker 3: But I have like a couple of important updates for you.
Speaker 3: Number one, I will say and I know that last
Speaker 3: week's episode, meaning TV episode, was not your favorite. And
Speaker 3: what I have learned from reading all the comments is
Speaker 3: many fans agree with you. Yes. A lot of fans
Speaker 3: actually said they when they're doing their rewatches they skip
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people agreed like it wasn't very
Speaker 3: luke like how he was, So you should feel okay
Speaker 3: that it wasn't your favorite.
Speaker 1: All of my self worth is tied up in this
Speaker 1: podcast justice ever, so I'm going to have a good week.
Speaker 1: This is good news, thank you.
Speaker 3: The other one was we you know, look we try hard.
Speaker 3: We try hard, but we blow it. Sometimes we totally do.
Speaker 3: We messed up. We forgot Kyle.
Speaker 1: What we did? We do that we do we forget?
Speaker 3: Have you forgot him? You just didn't really like chime
Speaker 3: in when Tara and I come.
Speaker 1: Look, I was dialing your line at midnight and it
Speaker 1: wasn't going through it. Just I tried. I tried, like heck, so.
Speaker 3: We own our mistakes. I mean, I pride myself on
Speaker 3: being very knowledgeable on many shows, not just this show.
Speaker 3: And I did not place him. I screwed it up.
Speaker 3: So our apologies and.
Speaker 1: We were you know how many times bab Ruth struck out.
Speaker 1: He struck out more than anybody in major league history. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't feel bad, Yeah, don't feel so bad.
Speaker 3: And he's like the best basill player of all time ever,
Speaker 3: so it's like, yeah, you can't get one hundred if
Speaker 3: you I love I love that everyone was reading Justice
Speaker 3: for Kyle, Justice for Kyle, And I will tell you
Speaker 3: this inside baseball story that could explain it. Many moons ago,
Speaker 3: when Kyle made his first appearance, I did reach out
Speaker 3: and try to book him because he's the kid from
Speaker 3: the Sandlot and I can't remember why, but he wasn't available, right,
Speaker 3: like he didn't want to do it or he doesn't
Speaker 3: do interviews or whatever it was. For some reason he
Speaker 3: couldn't do it. So I'm wondering did I purge him
Speaker 3: from my mind? Like like, oh, he doesn't want to
Speaker 3: come on our show?
Speaker 4: Okay, he doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: He doesn't exist, so that like I just forgot about him.
Speaker 1: So anyway, imagine not wanting to come on this show.
Speaker 1: Can you just getting that call and saying no? I
Speaker 1: can't imagine.
Speaker 3: It barely happens. That's the thing. The Gilmore stars love
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls, so pretty much everyone says yes. So I
Speaker 3: think maybe that's why I was like, what he doesn't
Speaker 3: want to come on? What? He didn't exist to me anymore?
Speaker 1: Well, look, it was a very funny video. It still is.
Speaker 1: Go check it out on Instagram account.
Speaker 3: And and Justice for Kyle Kyle does Exist.
Speaker 1: Again joined a movement hashtag out of it. We're going
Speaker 1: to stand by.
Speaker 3: We should ask one more time, Danielle. Maybe we just
Speaker 3: ask his name's Chauncey, right, yeah, let's ask him one
Speaker 3: more time. Maybe we just try one more because now
Speaker 3: it's justice for Kyle all.
Speaker 1: Right, So listen, I'm going to do a little piece
Speaker 1: of business here everybody. I'm going to be at Louisville
Speaker 1: Popcorn middle of June, so go to Louisville Popcon website
Speaker 1: get your tickets. I'm also going to be in Corpus
Speaker 1: Christy at the end of July, and I'm working on
Speaker 1: something for August and September as well. I'll let you know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get to this episode. Norman Mayler, I Am Pregnant,
Speaker 1: Danielle synopsize us or four.
Speaker 5: All right, this is season five, episode six, Norman Mailer,
Speaker 5: I'm Pregnant Air day, October twenty six, two thousand and four.
Speaker 5: Lorlei and Suki are thrilled when a cultural icon starts
Speaker 5: frequenting the Dragonfly in dining room in order to I
Speaker 5: set some expenses. At the end, they have to stop
Speaker 5: serving lunch. Dundune, Rory discovers an intriguing secret society at Yale,
Speaker 5: Christopher resurfaces because he needs lorealized help, and Sukie realizes
Speaker 5: she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'll tell you and Tara, Hello, welcome, Hello, relate
Speaker 1: than never. You're pretty early, so good. Good to see yourself.
Speaker 6: I made it right on time.
Speaker 1: You were right there. Yeah, no, no, you'll go right
Speaker 1: on times. Yeah, yeah, I mean late. You're pretty early, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're pretty early.
Speaker 3: There's so much to talk about in this episode. I'm overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: It's I gotta tell you. My my reaction to this
Speaker 1: episode was just give me more, Matt Secret, more and
Speaker 1: more and more more. I've never seen I've rarely seen
Speaker 1: a better introduction to a character in my whole life.
Speaker 1: This is the way you introduced I agree.
Speaker 3: I know we talk about it when we go in order,
Speaker 3: but like when he put that hat on, it said
Speaker 3: press and he did that hit.
Speaker 1: I still.
Speaker 3: So awesome.
Speaker 1: Genius, genius.
Speaker 3: I am obsessed with him. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think it was a television history and that that's
Speaker 1: the thing that you would show, like I don't want
Speaker 1: to be morbid, you know, but when we all croak,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they'll maybe they'll feature something for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, a cut like this is definitely Matt
Speaker 1: will right like eighty years or whatever, it's going to
Speaker 1: be sixty seventy years, they'll play that clip. That's that's
Speaker 1: the beautiful clip. Sorry, Matt, I don't mean he's got
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of movie.
Speaker 3: So I have a question for you guys. And it's
Speaker 3: not a criticism, it's not a compliment. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is. The opening scene for me was good,
Speaker 3: but it was so frenetic it kind of made me uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: Like I was like, oh, did anybody else feel that?
Speaker 1: Like there was you know what I think it is?
Speaker 1: I think I think it's my fault. You know what.
Speaker 1: I think it's my fault. I think it's my fault
Speaker 1: as an actor because I got too caught up in
Speaker 1: Lauren's speed and her rhythm and I didn't maintain my
Speaker 1: own rhythm. Really, it wasn't really Luke like, was it.
Speaker 3: No, And now that you say it, something was like
Speaker 3: it was a funny scene and kind of Laura I like,
Speaker 3: but almost a lot.
Speaker 1: No, no, no. I thought she was great. She was fine.
Speaker 1: She's doing her stick, that's what she does, and she's
Speaker 1: great at it. I just don't think I served that
Speaker 1: scene very well because I tried to speed everything up.
Speaker 1: I tried to speed my speech up instead of just
Speaker 1: sort of living in it and let it exist with me.
Speaker 1: There's a way, there's but there's a way to pick
Speaker 1: up your cues when you don't have to rush anything,
Speaker 1: but you're not slowing the other person down. I don't
Speaker 1: think I achieved that.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny when you said I can
Speaker 3: never pick you up here again.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was just very frenetic with it, like with the
Speaker 3: socks and then in the bites and the jeep on
Speaker 3: because I was.
Speaker 5: Just like, nobody does that. No one puts their socks
Speaker 5: in the oven.
Speaker 6: And I got distracted because then I was like, well,
Speaker 6: now I know that the oven doesn't work, so they're
Speaker 6: not warm.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It was just I'm not saying it wasn't good. I'm
Speaker 3: sure people.
Speaker 1: Because you know how dared you, right, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: this is this is us you're talking about. Man.
Speaker 3: It does not be critical anywhere.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I thought that. But there I
Speaker 1: gave my reason, and there it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting reason because I don't know what
Speaker 3: it was for me. It was just and I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm using the right word, but I think
Speaker 3: frenetic is the right word.
Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard not to get caught up and
Speaker 1: and what she's doing, you know, but you can't let
Speaker 1: yourself get get seduced so much. You got to maintain
Speaker 1: who your character. Truth is, character truth is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's not a big adjustment. I just don't
Speaker 1: think I made the I made the adjustment here and there,
Speaker 1: but I just sort of let it. It was swept
Speaker 1: away in it. It's not I was.
Speaker 3: Worried about the keys, and the keys are on the door,
Speaker 3: those are little doors. The socks are the oven, and
Speaker 3: then the corp light's broken. I was just like, ooh,
Speaker 3: I don't feel good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that the first time that Linke and Laurrela
Speaker 1: have churned your stomach?
Speaker 3: But you know what I did like about the open What.
Speaker 1: Did you have for dinner that night?
Speaker 3: I have an ant acid. The thing I did like though,
Speaker 3: that I thought was super cute was the door open,
Speaker 3: because it started actually slow, door open, Hey, hey, back kiss,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, they're a couple. Whoa, that's cute.
Speaker 1: And then it just well, he kept the door. He
Speaker 1: kept the front door open, hoping to get her out fast,
Speaker 1: and then when he realized it wasn't gonna happen, he
Speaker 1: just gave up the closed door.
Speaker 3: So then I have another question. I usually press skip
Speaker 3: on the credits, but this time, I didn't, and I
Speaker 3: think there might have been some new footage. So next week,
Speaker 3: can everybody watch because I've been skipping, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I usually skip too.
Speaker 3: So we got to watch the credits and just see
Speaker 3: if there's some new things.
Speaker 1: More homework, I mean it never ends the emails, the
Speaker 1: text can you do this? Can you do that?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Live on the air, you guys have more homework.
Speaker 6: To do that extra thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: So anyway, okay, then we get to First of all,
Speaker 3: I did notice in the credits, not the opening credits,
Speaker 3: but the you know, once the show starts, we knew
Speaker 3: that Matt was back. I think he's like special guest
Speaker 3: star or something in this. So I was thrilled Paris
Speaker 3: had the dream about Rory. Rory really wants to get features.
Speaker 3: Rory's in a pink, cute, pink sweater. That's sort of
Speaker 3: what's happening.
Speaker 1: I like Rory in the what is it called the
Speaker 1: al Daily News? What is it called it? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is the paper? What is it called? What is it called?
Speaker 1: What's the newspaper called?
Speaker 3: We have to look that up exactly, and I mean
Speaker 3: Savior letters. We know we should know it.
Speaker 1: All the topic at Yale Newspaper. It says, but I
Speaker 1: love being in there, I love the action. I love Doyle.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, the Yale Daily News, Yale Daly.
Speaker 3: Did you know Doyle whose real names out of my
Speaker 3: head right now, created that Michael Keaton show about the
Speaker 3: opioid crisis? That guy is legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah he. I think he won or was nominated for
Speaker 1: an Emmy for that, the Al Gore yeah election, the
Speaker 1: Hanging Chad thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's the opioid show with Michael Keaton? Someone
Speaker 3: give me that.
Speaker 1: He did Empire too.
Speaker 6: It's Danny Strong he created.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I didn't realize he also did that Michael
Speaker 3: Keaton whatever it was. Somebody tell me the title. And
Speaker 3: I saw him the dope Sick, Dope sick Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's been on the news a lot because ultimately he's
Speaker 3: a writer, and so he's on strike with all the
Speaker 3: writers right now, and so he's been on the news
Speaker 3: quite a bit. But to me, he's Doyle prolific.
Speaker 1: He's a prolific writer. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it's so nice to see Rory like not just
Speaker 6: in her dorm like last freshman year, she was just
Speaker 6: always in her dorm and I'm like, oh, she's like mingling.
Speaker 6: Like finally, it's like a a whole year.
Speaker 3: You get here.
Speaker 1: I thought it would hurt the show, separating mother and daughter,
Speaker 1: but it actually enhanced it. Yeah, they figured it out.
Speaker 1: It's like I like her, Yeah, I like her. Now
Speaker 1: she's now she's in the belly of the beast. She's
Speaker 1: making a friends, she's doing stuff, she's interacting, and it's
Speaker 1: all she's busy. I like to see it. I want
Speaker 1: more to come.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Glenn forgetting in the New York Times.
Speaker 3: And then the bit with Doyle was.
Speaker 1: Another another great Glenn appearance, totally like what's the big deal?
Speaker 1: I don't care?
Speaker 3: And Rory trying to see the bright side for Doyle,
Speaker 3: and then Doyle just flipping the script on her like oh, okay, really,
Speaker 3: I'm the Muncie Messenger or whatever. He's a good character.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 5: I didn't like him at first, but now I'd rather
Speaker 5: enjoy Doyle.
Speaker 3: Danielle, do you have any predictions for anything you see
Speaker 3: with Doyle, Like just anything that comes off the top
Speaker 3: of your head of what you might just predict a
Speaker 3: Doyle prediction. Doyle prediction.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: He's gonna ask Rory out to the dance.
Speaker 4: Oh good, I did not. That was not on my radar.
Speaker 4: But now that you said it, we're.
Speaker 6: Not going to tell you.
Speaker 3: We're just wanting to know for the two virgins in
Speaker 3: the group.
Speaker 5: On he is totally going to get a crush on Rory,
Speaker 5: but then Rory's going to get a crush on Logan,
Speaker 5: and then Doyle and Logan are going to hate each other.
Speaker 8: Are we close?
Speaker 3: Are We're not gonna answer that.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying.
Speaker 4: It got with the assist. I appreciate that. That was good.
Speaker 3: So then she goes home, goes down on the bed,
Speaker 3: she's reading the paper. She's got Loralai on the phone. Oh,
Speaker 3: Luke did a bit, which is I've seen this episode
Speaker 3: a lot of times for some reason, this one and
Speaker 3: the next one like two of my can't out. But
Speaker 3: I'd never have loved the bit about Luke doing a
Speaker 3: bit when he's in the oven and hitting his head.
Speaker 3: But I don't know's I guess it's funny. I don't know.
Speaker 1: She's just relax and love and enjoying herself and having
Speaker 1: a grand old time. Life is good, the inn is open,
Speaker 1: she's got her relationship going on, it's and she she
Speaker 1: owned that, you know, and she was just sitting in
Speaker 1: that chair talking to her daughter and raised her daughter
Speaker 1: daughter's at Yale. Life is good, you know.
Speaker 3: I do love that she's so comfortable with Rory, with Luke,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's none
Speaker 3: of this like not sneaking around like she had to
Speaker 3: do before, but sneaking around like she had to do before.
Speaker 3: It's very much like I'm here, Luke's here. This is
Speaker 3: this is real.
Speaker 6: And even at the end when she's like you sound happy,
Speaker 6: it's like yeah, like she is happy, and it was
Speaker 6: kind of like not that she needs Rory's approval, but
Speaker 6: I feel like it felt like that, like thanks, Like yeah,
Speaker 6: I am very happy.
Speaker 1: I've never understood Rory better or empathized with her more
Speaker 1: than this episode because she got to measure her upbringing
Speaker 1: Luke versus Christopher in a very definitive way and it
Speaker 1: was very touching and it was very sad. Actually I
Speaker 1: got very very sad, and now I understood Rory more
Speaker 1: and better because of this episode.
Speaker 3: It's a powerful moment. This episode, for being light and fun,
Speaker 3: really actually has a lot of deep meaning.
Speaker 1: It'll punch into life there and give you some moments.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, then I really I can't wait to talk
Speaker 3: to you guys about it. So as we get there, because.
Speaker 1: We'll show because I really want.
Speaker 3: To talk about Sherry leaving and all of it. It's
Speaker 3: like it's it's major in anyway. In the meantime, we
Speaker 3: kind of get that Rory is sort of feeling a
Speaker 3: little stressed because she didn't do an internship and she
Speaker 3: feels behind and you know, so we're getting a little
Speaker 3: of that, but it's a that's a really good scene
Speaker 3: other than like morel laughing at Luke's head, hitting that.
Speaker 3: I didn't think.
Speaker 6: That Rory wasted two months being in Europe, did you guys,
Speaker 6: Because I was like, that's a whole experience that most
Speaker 6: kids don't get at that age.
Speaker 1: That's experience. Yeah, I was time either, time all spent.
Speaker 1: You know. You can you can be in a couple
Speaker 1: of dozen riots. You can get back on your bike
Speaker 1: keeping bike to another ryot.
Speaker 4: It's wonderful and good food, good drinks. Yeah, and she's
Speaker 4: of legal age to drink. You know, lots of bros.
Speaker 1: I think for the rioters it's wonderful.
Speaker 3: I think Tar's point of spending that time with your
Speaker 3: grandmother is invaluable. You may not see it in the moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, no question.
Speaker 3: So then we meet Norman Mailer at the Inn, which is.
Speaker 1: Fact, that's actually her getting your PhD and.
Speaker 9: Snooty yeah, or also I think you look back when
Speaker 9: your grandparents aren't here and you're like, oh, thank god
Speaker 9: I did that. Yeah, so we meet Norman Mailer at
Speaker 9: the Inn.
Speaker 3: Now, did everybody know who Norman Mailer was?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: No, I thought he was a fictional character until now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, so who is Norman Mayler?
Speaker 1: Who is Norman may Well? I mean, yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: guy who went to Harvard and graduated with a degree
Speaker 1: in aeronautical engineering and was drafted into the war, volunteered,
Speaker 1: and he fought in World War Two, and when.
Speaker 3: He came back A lot about Norman.
Speaker 1: When he came back, he wrote The Naked and the
Speaker 1: Dead and it made him an instant literary star. When
Speaker 1: when writers used to be the top of the food
Speaker 1: chain and the entertainment business in America, he was the
Speaker 1: shining light. He was the novelist. It was. It was
Speaker 1: him and Philip Roth and John dos Passos and a
Speaker 1: couple of others Updyke was up there and saw Bellow
Speaker 1: and people like that. I mean he was a guy
Speaker 1: who with a big ego and a big brain.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he wanted to be a little controversial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was. He he did a lot
Speaker 1: of he did journalism too, and he kind of you know,
Speaker 1: he blended the subjective complexity and artistry of the novel
Speaker 1: with journalistic objectivity.
Speaker 3: Now I don't be wrong, but allegedly he also stabbed
Speaker 3: his wife with a pen in the heart.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, apparently in the heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah that so was he not controversial when you all
Speaker 3: had him on the show, like even though because he
Speaker 3: allegedly stabbed the wife.
Speaker 1: Like in the sixties, Yeah, he found his fame. I
Speaker 1: mean I think they put Naked and the Dead was
Speaker 1: published nineteen forty eight, so he was a star from
Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight on. And then you know, the perception
Speaker 1: was that he never matched The Naked and the Dead
Speaker 1: and that and that by the time the sixties and
Speaker 1: seventies rolled around, he know, he was publishing books that
Speaker 1: didn't measure up according to some critics, and gore Vidal
Speaker 1: went after the hardest. His friend, Well, I grew up
Speaker 1: with with with Gurvidal and Norman Mailer. I mean, every
Speaker 1: every man that graduated the Ivy League of the gi
Speaker 1: Bill that was, you know, an English major wanted to
Speaker 1: write the great American novel when they graduated, and he's
Speaker 1: the guy that did it. My father included in that bunch,
Speaker 1: and he never got the opportunity to do it until
Speaker 1: later in his life. So right, interesting people used to
Speaker 1: aspire to be writers. They wanted to be great novelists.
Speaker 1: They did Hemingway. You know, everybody was so turned on
Speaker 1: by Hemingway. Men, women, everybody wanted to be Ernest Hemingway.
Speaker 3: Interestingly, the person interviewing him is his son, So he's
Speaker 3: not playing his son. He's playing the journalist interviewing him.
Speaker 6: But that is it's his real son.
Speaker 3: Yes, so that's played by Stephen Mahler. So you're welcome
Speaker 3: for the history.
Speaker 1: But Mailer was controversial in that he was, you know,
Speaker 1: pugilistic in his his academic style, his debating style. He
Speaker 1: ran sure, he got physical with certain people, you know
Speaker 1: New York mayor. He was kind of a tough guy.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, he he went up, went went
Speaker 1: against Gloria Steinem and the Women's movement, and he debated
Speaker 1: them in very nuanced and interesting ways, but then got
Speaker 1: labeled as a male chauvinist pig, which was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the phraseology of the time in male chauvinist pig, you're
Speaker 1: a chauvinist.
Speaker 3: He had six wives, nine children, so it's kind of
Speaker 3: interesting that he lived his life that Amy Sherman Palladino,
Speaker 3: you know, wanted Norman Mayler. Yeah, because it's also like, okay,
Speaker 3: if you think about this, when they're like Norman Mayler
Speaker 3: is in the Inn, that only really had significance to
Speaker 3: like the older viewers of Gilmore Girls back in two
Speaker 3: thousand and four, right, Like, it wasn't like she came
Speaker 3: back in and she's like Angelina Jolie is in the Inn,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Norman Mailer was to writing what Jackson Pollock was
Speaker 1: to painting.
Speaker 3: He did learn that Billy Joel has come into the Inn.
Speaker 3: We didn't get to see it, but we did learn
Speaker 3: that Billy Joel came in and ate a lot of things.
Speaker 3: But Norman Mayler just gets iced tea.
Speaker 1: So and Billy Joel barely hides it.
Speaker 6: Have you guys ever gone somewhere and you ordered like
Speaker 6: just a drink, and then you feel bad and order
Speaker 6: like a snack just because you're like like I've done that,
Speaker 6: or you're like, I'll just get an appetizer because I
Speaker 6: feel bad.
Speaker 5: I've never never just ordered a drink, unless it's like
Speaker 5: at a coffee shop.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking, Like, I only order.
Speaker 4: There's always food on the table when goes there.
Speaker 1: But he's but he's there doing an interview. That was
Speaker 1: the purpose of it, meet me at the Dragonfly interview.
Speaker 1: He's not going to sit there and stuff.
Speaker 3: His face throw a flag on the play. If you
Speaker 3: own an inn, right, you own an inn. There's lots
Speaker 3: of people staying at the inn that will be coming
Speaker 3: downstairs just for a drink, just for a cup of coffee.
Speaker 3: So Suki maybe was totally overap, being kind of inappropriate,
Speaker 3: Like who cares this guy. It's a it's an inn.
Speaker 3: People can come down just to have a lemonade or
Speaker 3: water or sit in the lobby if they want to.
Speaker 3: They don't have to order even a drink. They already
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was manufactured sort of territorial sort of thing going on.
Speaker 1: But it's Norman Mailer. I mean doesn't she know who
Speaker 1: Norman Bayler is? And also the deal when that guy
Speaker 1: comes and sits down in your restaurant, that's an icon
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 5: So I think it would be different if her dining
Speaker 5: room was full for lunch, you know, and Norman Mayler
Speaker 5: was there and only getting icedy.
Speaker 1: I think she'd be like, I can't get a table,
Speaker 1: taking the table.
Speaker 6: And she's getting her lunch taken away, So I feel
Speaker 6: like it's just oh yeah.
Speaker 5: So my point being, she wouldn't be bothered if there
Speaker 5: was meant other people for her to cook for.
Speaker 4: But the fact that.
Speaker 5: He's the only one there and she's not serving him
Speaker 5: food he only wants iced tea.
Speaker 3: Well, and I they should be more bothered if he
Speaker 3: was only getting iced tea if the room was full,
Speaker 3: because he's like, like Scott said, he's holding the table.
Speaker 1: But then also, if I own an inn and the
Speaker 1: chef is hassling somebody drinking tea, who's you know, a
Speaker 1: major celebrity, I'm firing that totally.
Speaker 3: That's why Lorelai was sort of like a pom your
Speaker 3: self down.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is going on? Man?
Speaker 3: They want learn it's because she's pregnant. We'll just get
Speaker 3: to the punchline. There he learned then she's crazy in
Speaker 3: acting nuts. So okay that Doyle gives out the assignments
Speaker 3: and Rory gets features, Glenn gets crime, Paris gets religion.
Speaker 3: This seems big to me that Rory got features when
Speaker 3: it's like her she's so young on the paper.
Speaker 1: But cool, Well, let's see what she does with the opportunity.
Speaker 3: I was on.
Speaker 6: I will say I was on my high school newspaper,
Speaker 6: and I loved features because you could basically write about
Speaker 6: like anything you wanted, like you just could. He didn't
Speaker 6: have like sports or whatever. You got to fully pick
Speaker 6: what you wanted to do.
Speaker 3: And then it happens in walks logan into the newsroom
Speaker 3: and just Doyle freaking out is just like the greatest
Speaker 3: thing ever. And did you see, like he who's that girl? Now?
Speaker 3: He had a girl and.
Speaker 4: He kind of a girl that he lanted planted a
Speaker 4: speech on.
Speaker 3: Is that the same girl that he had in the
Speaker 3: episode when they walked by the coffee cart?
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 3: Can somebody from either our staff or the crack staff
Speaker 3: figure out if that was the same girl? So that's
Speaker 3: like somebody's mission for the next thirty minutes. So what
Speaker 3: do you guys, I mean, I love him already, So
Speaker 3: what did especially Scott and Danielle, what did you guys
Speaker 3: think when here he comes and you see how studley
Speaker 3: he is, and then you learn he's got this big,
Speaker 3: rich father who's in the newspaper business.
Speaker 1: He's such a cool customer and to come into a
Speaker 1: scene like that and just take over and be cool
Speaker 1: and relaxed, and it just showed how how strong an
Speaker 1: actor he is, and what a wonderful debut for him,
Speaker 1: and what a great character. I just think, man, Amy
Speaker 1: must have had a ton of fun writing that character.
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree. So he's in the Gilmore Woldan he's
Speaker 3: got that different rhythm right Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, he's just this old guy and he I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, is just reeking from him. It's just pouring
Speaker 1: off him. Privilege and class and money. It's just pouring
Speaker 1: off him. And he's not apologetic about it. You know.
Speaker 1: He's ourgany kind of and he's distant, yet he's familiar
Speaker 1: and i and warm at the same time. It's just
Speaker 1: he's playing all these opposites. Wonderful, just wonderful to watch.
Speaker 5: I still don't like him.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I still like him.
Speaker 7: But.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I still don't like him.
Speaker 5: I'm waiting for the episode to find him a little
Speaker 5: more human, like the episode where you're like, oh, I
Speaker 5: get it now.
Speaker 4: I'm still waiting for it. So I still don't like him.
Speaker 5: But what I will say is I do like what
Speaker 5: he makes the people around him do. Like I do
Speaker 5: like how Doyle is like flubbering around him like that
Speaker 5: makes that made me laugh and I loved that scene.
Speaker 5: And I also like how he's making Rory like call
Speaker 5: him out, you know, like Rory is actually like like
Speaker 5: not standing up to him, but she's kind of like,
Speaker 5: you know, like hey, dude, what's up?
Speaker 4: You know that kind of It's.
Speaker 3: Such a great point you're making there because so far
Speaker 3: they're pretty much going toe to toe. It's like who
Speaker 3: has the leg up? But I'm going to say it's Logan,
Speaker 3: and I think it's the first time that that's ever happened.
Speaker 3: Like they're going toe to toe, but like which we'll
Speaker 3: get to. She has to agree to the conditions, right,
Speaker 3: and when they kind of have that confrontation when she's
Speaker 3: sort of stalking him and waiting for him, like he
Speaker 3: won that so it's sort.
Speaker 1: Of like, yes, yes, that's what she does.
Speaker 3: Yes, she's close and she's leveled up, right, so, which
Speaker 3: I think he's intrigued by because most girls just kiss
Speaker 3: him and don't don't even give him any kind of anything.
Speaker 3: But it's still like point logan to me.
Speaker 1: Again, absolutely absolutely absolutely, and it's like he's in control.
Speaker 1: She wants the info from him. He's going to have
Speaker 1: fun with her totally. And then you know, and you
Speaker 1: don't have to necessarily like a character to enjoy the character, right,
Speaker 1: And he's so easy to enjoy. Are you not enjoying him, Danielle,
Speaker 1: You're not like he comes on the screen. What is
Speaker 1: your experience? Are you're not laughing? Or you know?
Speaker 5: Like I said, like I like what he's doing with
Speaker 5: the people around how the people around him are responding
Speaker 5: to him. Like I'm enjoying that a lot. So his
Speaker 5: presence is giving me that, But him as a human
Speaker 5: as and as a character, I'm not sold.
Speaker 1: I'm just sing Okay. So here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When we meet a new person, right and we don't
Speaker 1: know them, and it's not like everybody's a little anxious,
Speaker 1: but then they make you laugh out loud. You love
Speaker 1: that person immediately, It's like, oh, I love this guy.
Speaker 1: I love this girl. She's funny and and Logan does
Speaker 1: that when he puts the hat on and he said,
Speaker 1: you know the whole thing, I just I howled this is.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like just.
Speaker 1: Like I love this guy. I don't care what he does.
Speaker 1: You can cut a Dean all day and a cowboy
Speaker 1: finger knoed Logan man entertaining.
Speaker 4: I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 5: When Dean first came to the picture, I was sold
Speaker 5: within the first episode. Same with Jess, like just with
Speaker 5: like you know, being mysterious and and different, like I
Speaker 5: loved it right away.
Speaker 4: But with Logan, it's just taking me time.
Speaker 6: Is because he like came in hot. Is that why?
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know. I'm just like he's just like
Speaker 4: not it.
Speaker 3: For me right now.
Speaker 5: That's fine, But I appreciate his presence in the show
Speaker 5: so far.
Speaker 6: I think Scott has a point too. It's like you
Speaker 6: don't have to love like the care but you still
Speaker 6: enjoy watching. That's such a great way of explaining it,
Speaker 6: because that's how I felt like, I mean, clearly I
Speaker 6: know what happens, but like even going back I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know what, he is really fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Oh god, he's so good. I mean, and just like
Speaker 3: the way they dress him in the turtleneck with the blazer,
Speaker 3: like you just know he's rich and he's handsome. And
Speaker 3: I think it's the confidence. And what I haven't ever
Speaker 3: figured out is is Matt Zukri playing Logan so confident
Speaker 3: or is Matt Zugri also just so confident and natural
Speaker 3: that he just can play Logan.
Speaker 1: Let's ask him.
Speaker 4: We do need him on?
Speaker 1: We do? Oh yeah, we need to, we needed we
Speaker 1: need We.
Speaker 3: Get a little glimpse into Logan's sort of life and
Speaker 3: that he like had Daddy's yacht and sunk it, and
Speaker 3: we learn a little bit about Mitcham. Yeah, so we
Speaker 3: learn we learn of Mitcham's existence and that Logan is
Speaker 3: a Huntsburger, you know, and then the hat and the
Speaker 3: whole thing. I just literally was like.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, this character is taking us into
Speaker 1: a completely new world. It's a portal that that that
Speaker 1: Rory is going to walk through, and I am going
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the best storyline in the show
Speaker 1: in quite a while. It really truly is. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just the whole experience in and of itself.
Speaker 1: This is a whole show in and of itself, right,
Speaker 1: I think I think the spin off shows may be
Speaker 1: inspired by this Light the Light Brigade.
Speaker 11: Is that what they call themselves, not to Life and Brigade,
Speaker 11: Life and the Life and the Light Bride, you know,
Speaker 11: And I just it's just a just a terrifically fun
Speaker 11: fantasy experience that having you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was waiting for more scenes with Logan, like
Speaker 1: let's go there.
Speaker 3: This new energy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this was kind of this episode was like
Speaker 6: a tease of that.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, yeah, yeah, that's a great point. So we
Speaker 3: go back to the inn and we've got Suki is
Speaker 3: still going with her whole thing, which was entertaining, but
Speaker 3: not my favorite part of the episode.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's a little shrill.
Speaker 3: It's a little shrill.
Speaker 1: I think I found myself turning the volume down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. And it was just sort of like
Speaker 3: no one's doing that. No proprietor essentially is like yelling
Speaker 3: at Norman Mailer, do you know what I mean? So
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: Funny when she went out and grabbed the book and said.
Speaker 3: It was all amusing and we understand that she's pregnant
Speaker 3: once we get the payoffs, so it's like, okay, fine.
Speaker 1: But that was that was a great how she realized
Speaker 1: that was a great real.
Speaker 3: We then learn that Doses is doing the what I
Speaker 3: call the seven eleven special, having the hot dogs, the nachos,
Speaker 3: the icy. First of all, I love an Icy, but
Speaker 3: the hot dogs looked not good.
Speaker 4: I love a nacho, so I'll take the nachos.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love when Laura, I don't. I can't remember if
Speaker 3: what happens to you. I think it's later when she's
Speaker 3: like cruising down just eating. It's like so epic.
Speaker 6: I like how it's like the top of the town, like,
Speaker 6: oh we got an icy machine and hot dog, Like
Speaker 6: it's like a whole thing.
Speaker 3: I do love an Icy though, I do too. Now,
Speaker 3: do you have a preference over Icy to Slurpee? And
Speaker 3: are they the same to you guys? Or are they different.
Speaker 6: Like slurpies? Right?
Speaker 1: What's the difference? The brain freeze you get the higher
Speaker 1: you get a quicker brain freeze with the Slurpee. With
Speaker 1: the Icy, it's a little more subtle.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a difference. Is maybe just the brand, just.
Speaker 6: The brand I think yeah, yeah, I don't know. ICs
Speaker 6: are always at like the movie theaters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Surer have colder ice.
Speaker 5: I like the different it's the same products, but bold
Speaker 5: under did anybody have the the at home? Slurpy won't
Speaker 5: thank the makers, Like it's like an easy bake oven, but.
Speaker 3: But it's funny. They still sell the icy one and
Speaker 3: thinking of buying it for the summer.
Speaker 5: So dope, but like it makes like one like you
Speaker 5: have to work really hard to.
Speaker 1: Make it a pool at your estate? Do you have
Speaker 1: a pool?
Speaker 3: I mean there's like a community pool.
Speaker 1: Well sure, I mean you can have your icy over there.
Speaker 3: So the easy bake oven literally we cooked cakes with
Speaker 3: a light bulb.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: But that's how the Slurpy, the slurping machine I'm talking
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, but I Slurpy was like a social totally
Speaker 1: now people we hang out with the seven eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's seven eleven right by our house and we
Speaker 3: go every day like literally slurpy every day. I'm sure
Speaker 3: it's not good for you too, You're just like drinking.
Speaker 4: Red sugar, red dye and sugar.
Speaker 3: But so that was kind of Dean looked adorable, don't
Speaker 3: get me wrong, but they also are having sort of
Speaker 3: a struggle because they can't schedule time. I'm not feeling
Speaker 3: good about their future.
Speaker 4: No, not really.
Speaker 5: That went out the window a few episodes ago.
Speaker 1: Life got in the way.
Speaker 3: There was sort of a funny line though, like when
Speaker 3: he's like sex can do that also, and she's all, amen, brother, it's.
Speaker 6: I don't like it.
Speaker 3: Why is it so weird?
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 6: I think it's weird because I don't know why. Like
Speaker 6: I feel like it wouldn't be weird if it was
Speaker 6: like at this rate, like Logan and Rory, but because
Speaker 6: it's her in Dean, it just.
Speaker 1: Go Yeah, he's getting all porny on her talking about
Speaker 1: that marketing Gilmore. Girls don't do the porny talk.
Speaker 4: No, it's just weird. Like I get you guys.
Speaker 5: Had sex, but like yeah, like well you don't need
Speaker 5: to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Oh god, Okay. So then we go to the meeting
Speaker 3: with the accountant, which here's my question. If a inn
Speaker 3: is seventy five percent occupied, that's like major.
Speaker 8: So there was a little bit of like huh because
Speaker 8: she's like, when we get the profits up from what
Speaker 8: I know, seventy five percent occupied is like amazing, like
Speaker 8: I heard hotels, you don't even want to be like
Speaker 8: ninety nine percent occupied because you're not able to handle that,
Speaker 8: like when a hotel's book this goes down and all
Speaker 8: these things.
Speaker 1: So they're just.
Speaker 4: Probably so in the hole, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Like I mean, they need to they need to
Speaker 1: maximize profits to get back to even because they're Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're in the rest, that's true.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 1: All that the big spend they did on breakfast.
Speaker 3: And dinners, it sounds like are going great, but lunch
Speaker 3: is problem.
Speaker 1: No breakfasts, break even dinners are making some money.
Speaker 3: Did she say that? Yeah, oh I missed that, but great,
Speaker 3: m and then I love that Michelle wants to deduct
Speaker 3: his suits, but Suki's all.
Speaker 1: Mad and my accountant would be able to deduct those suits.
Speaker 3: Well, your accountant might be better.
Speaker 1: I think he is, and I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: he auditioned for that part. Weirdly, so day from Delta Airlines,
Speaker 1: I got a new they're still looking for my John.
Speaker 3: They still have not found it.
Speaker 1: They're giving it another two weeks and then they're giving up.
Speaker 1: But they just wanted to. They just wanted me to
Speaker 1: know they're working hard.
Speaker 3: When they give up, do you get any money or
Speaker 3: is it just too bad?
Speaker 1: No, it's too bad. Oh you don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know that. So when you put your suitcase
Speaker 3: on that thing, you're kind of like.
Speaker 6: I signed off.
Speaker 3: Just hope for the best.
Speaker 1: I handed it to that guy. I should have just
Speaker 1: said bye bye John, Bye bye Church. I don't want
Speaker 1: to home now.
Speaker 3: And every day I think good choice on the no flying. Okay,
Speaker 3: So then we go to Rory, who's trying to do
Speaker 3: this boring feature, like the story she picked is so boring,
Speaker 3: and we're in this random guy's room and he's trying
Speaker 3: to explain like I don't know CDs or something. To her.
Speaker 6: I was like, he is trying to explain LimeWire.
Speaker 3: It was so boring, like and I think it was
Speaker 3: intentionally boring. Like I was like, even I don't want
Speaker 3: to hear anything this guy's saying right in his messy,
Speaker 3: messy dorm room.
Speaker 6: The detail, by the way I was laying at when
Speaker 6: that was his name, the detail in that scene of
Speaker 6: just like I was looking in the room, like the
Speaker 6: set design was amazing.
Speaker 3: Totally totally that was like a crazy, legit, kind of
Speaker 3: geeky music y guy's dorm room yeah, but the bore
Speaker 3: is so plainful. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.
Speaker 1: So and then she's you were not entertained.
Speaker 3: So she goes to the bathroom because she lost her
Speaker 3: train of thought because she was so boring. She goes
Speaker 3: to the bathroom and then she sees the girl monkey
Speaker 3: head and gorilla mask. Yeah, gorilla masks.
Speaker 1: How did that girl not see her in the mirror? Though?
Speaker 3: Great point, great point.
Speaker 1: I mean she's like raked off to the side. The
Speaker 1: mirror has a pile of very wide you know the
Speaker 1: things I notice.
Speaker 3: It did make me go and watch the Planet of
Speaker 3: the Apes this weekend, though, it did make me want
Speaker 3: to watch Planet of the Apes, which I did. I
Speaker 3: finally watched the original nineties yeah boy, which is not bad.
Speaker 3: It's not good, but I think it's not good in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three because like just the like the actual
Speaker 3: effects is basically just turning the camera in circles, rightly,
Speaker 3: what so bad? But it was like kind of amusing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put.
Speaker 3: It and it's like crashes in the water. But really
Speaker 3: it's just like a camera going like this, and you're just.
Speaker 1: Like technique seventies techniques.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so anyway, but.
Speaker 1: The ones are good, oh boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not the Mark Wahlberg one was like, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: not great. But then the other ones.
Speaker 1: Were put Mark Wahlberg in the jungle, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And it was Tim Burton, but the yeah and the
Speaker 3: different ending, right, I don't know if you've seen it,
Speaker 3: but it's got the different ending.
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't. I couldn't get through.
Speaker 3: Now I'm doing a deep dive in Plant of the Ames,
Speaker 3: probably thanks to Logan Huntsburger. But so Rory follows out
Speaker 3: and she sees her get in there escalade or the you.
Speaker 1: Know the.
Speaker 7: Es.
Speaker 3: Oh good, okay, and uh now she's intrigued.
Speaker 4: What did she say before she got in the car?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: She says in omnia. What does that mean?
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: It means she looked it up? It means what does
Speaker 3: it mean? It means we do we learned?
Speaker 5: Means ready for everything, for anything, ready.
Speaker 4: For anything, anyone in this.
Speaker 1: But if we were, we wouldn't.
Speaker 5: If I'll admit it, if I can bet money, it
Speaker 5: would definitely be amy you too.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you what mine was, but yes, I
Speaker 3: got a weird letter like in my mailbox and the
Speaker 3: sorority and it said like go it was I think
Speaker 3: it was even like I can't remember if it was
Speaker 3: handwritten or it was like a professional like embossed letter
Speaker 3: and it said be ready this time.
Speaker 4: No, No, this is so cool.
Speaker 3: So I know my parents and I was like, what
Speaker 3: this weird letter? And where do they say?
Speaker 10: They're like, go, my dad's like it's skulling keys or
Speaker 10: something like full secret society that's like a massive drinking thing,
Speaker 10: which I'm like, it's definitely not that, like because I've
Speaker 10: never even had a sip of alcohol in my life.
Speaker 3: But he's like, it's definitely a secret society. Just be ready.
Speaker 5: Was it something that he was a part of or
Speaker 5: were you like that you were you inherited?
Speaker 3: Trying to figure out what I like, he was not
Speaker 3: in it, but he knew of it. So he was
Speaker 3: not in it because it was only girls. But he
Speaker 3: once at the time he knew, like I wasn't going
Speaker 3: to be murdered or something, you know, He's like, You're
Speaker 3: not gonna be murdered. You're like, you're fine, do it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And my mom didn't know of it, but they still
Speaker 3: went to the same college as me. So that's why
Speaker 3: they would.
Speaker 4: So you did it?
Speaker 3: Oh I did it. Yeah, I'm in it. I can't
Speaker 3: tell you what it is.
Speaker 5: That was the excitt that I got was sorority with
Speaker 5: the secret handshake and words and things that you know.
Speaker 5: But that this is a secret society is a whole
Speaker 5: different level than that.
Speaker 3: What I can say is, so, for like I don't
Speaker 3: know how many years, let's say fifty years, I think
Speaker 3: probably fifty, there's a certain number of people in it,
Speaker 3: and each person picks one in the class below. So
Speaker 3: there's now a line of us that are in the
Speaker 3: secret society in this one.
Speaker 4: So who picked you?
Speaker 3: She can't say answer.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Amy. I think I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Do you guys do get togethers
Speaker 1: at the grove?
Speaker 3: At the grove? Well, because it's in Berkeley, it's in Berkeley.
Speaker 3: Is there a secret thing at.
Speaker 1: The grove the grove? That's not it? Okay, you've answered
Speaker 1: the question, thank you.
Speaker 3: And I do remember who picked me, and I remember
Speaker 3: who picked her, and I remember who picked that person,
Speaker 3: So I can go back that far.
Speaker 5: Do you call them like you're big and little, like
Speaker 5: you're doing sorrity or no?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: And then I remember who I picked, but really I
Speaker 3: want for me this was weird, and people listening are like,
Speaker 3: so born.
Speaker 4: I was intriguing.
Speaker 3: It's that's why I'm saying. This whole thing is real
Speaker 3: that they're doing. No, we didn't like do weird. We
Speaker 3: didn't have to jump off you'll learn. But anyway, it
Speaker 3: was very important to me the person too below me.
Speaker 3: So when I picked the person, I said, I don't
Speaker 3: mean to like overstep, but this is the person that
Speaker 3: I really is. And that person did pick that person,
Speaker 3: and then I don't know what happened from there.
Speaker 6: Do you still talk to these people who who the
Speaker 6: one who picked you and the person who.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I definitely talked to the person the most
Speaker 3: who's one, two, three, four above me, but we don't
Speaker 3: talk about it very much, like forget like I can't
Speaker 3: really remember.
Speaker 4: What we did, and do you do things like do
Speaker 4: you do like?
Speaker 1: You do?
Speaker 3: Get an email every year that there's a luncheon for
Speaker 3: the secret Society of all the people, but.
Speaker 5: It's only a year like a luncheon only I've never
Speaker 5: gone to the luncheon. But what's the point of being
Speaker 5: in part of the society if it's just a lunch
Speaker 5: once a year, I think to because you need a party.
Speaker 1: I need like yeah, you get together and they help
Speaker 1: each other out, and it's a thing.
Speaker 3: When you're in school. So you did, we did like
Speaker 3: maybe five things when you're in school. But I think
Speaker 3: it's also to be like cool, like you're in this thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I might need to like bring up
Speaker 3: like are we supposed to be doing something? And it's secret?
Speaker 3: Like I don't have a pin or any proof, like.
Speaker 1: There's nothing to prove too, very simple. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of their circles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder if they're at like every school because
Speaker 5: like I don't remember that at my school.
Speaker 3: Well, what was that Paul Walker? Was it Paul Walker movie?
Speaker 3: Was there a movie Skull and Bones or whatever? Wasn't
Speaker 3: the key? What was that movie?
Speaker 1: And it was Matt da Was it mat and Skull
Speaker 1: and Bones or was it not Paul Walker?
Speaker 3: It was some cutie with guys? What was that movie?
Speaker 3: It's all about one of these secret societies, because even
Speaker 3: they mentioned skull and Bones that was sort of I
Speaker 3: think a famous one, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what the Bush family. That's Yale, that's yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, skulling Bone, the Skulls has Paul Walker
Speaker 5: and I knew. See, I'm sorry, it's about a secret society.
Speaker 6: Yeah, watch this.
Speaker 1: I got to do a secret society once in the
Speaker 1: mountains where we're in a hot tub and I said,
Speaker 1: you can get in if you get out and roll
Speaker 1: around in the snow and freeze. And I did it,
Speaker 1: and I realized it wasn't that big deal. They were
Speaker 1: just joking with me. Couldn't skate it. Next he.
Speaker 3: We still need to talk about Logan more, but let's
Speaker 3: dig into Christopher because this is where Christopher calls Laura
Speaker 3: Lai and you know he needs help. I sort of
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, like, where the heck have
Speaker 3: you been.
Speaker 4: I didn't expect him to come back.
Speaker 5: Oh really yeah, I didn't think he was coming, Like
Speaker 5: I thought we were done with Christopher.
Speaker 1: Really well, they just had to bring him back so
Speaker 1: Rory could knock him out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I do think.
Speaker 3: I do think he was working on another TV show
Speaker 3: that obviously got canceled, so he's available for Gilmo Girls,
Speaker 3: but he's still calling her lare Yeah.
Speaker 6: I have a question for everyone. Do you think that
Speaker 6: it was wrong for him to call Laura l I
Speaker 6: or do you think it was wrong for her to
Speaker 6: go over there.
Speaker 1: But but thinking of the welfare of his child, so
Speaker 1: he doesn't. It's it's always appropriate when the welfare of
Speaker 1: your child is at stake, you call anybody in everyone.
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, I can't pick.
Speaker 1: Exactly it was inappropriate, but it was absolutely appropriate if
Speaker 1: you look at it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like he he shouldn't have, but he didn't have
Speaker 5: a choice, so like I agree there, Like, yeah, from
Speaker 5: a moral perspective, he shouldn't have called someone that he
Speaker 5: left that, But.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the health of the child. The child,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of a dangerous situation.
Speaker 3: So empathy for Lurlai going because that is Rory's sister. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and this is the father of her child who literally
Speaker 3: needs help. It's like, what is she supposed to say?
Speaker 5: No, I do think that like Christopher and Laura I
Speaker 5: have gone through so much together that they're always there
Speaker 5: for each other no matter what, like, no matter how
Speaker 5: ugly they they left.
Speaker 1: Let me let me stop you right there. What have
Speaker 1: they gone through together? Besides having a child at sixteen
Speaker 1: and then I mean that's a massive thing to go
Speaker 1: through and like that was when they were sixteen. What
Speaker 1: have they gone through since well they've.
Speaker 3: Really they've gotten back together, so god, so together.
Speaker 1: They've been there. He's been there all these all these years.
Speaker 1: Who's been there for them? What have they gone through?
Speaker 1: Very much?
Speaker 3: I mean they've gone through there.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He's a deadbeat dad. Let's let's call him
Speaker 1: what he is. Let's call him out for what. He's
Speaker 1: a deadbeat dad who abandoned his kid, and that's what
Speaker 1: he is. So sorry.
Speaker 5: I have to if he was there, if he was
Speaker 5: there for Rory, he would know how to help his
Speaker 5: child exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Guys nailed it, and I'm done. That's a poster you
Speaker 1: just got, Polister.
Speaker 3: He didn't actually abandon them. He was wanting to marry Larelai.
Speaker 6: She left, she left. I was about to say, she's
Speaker 6: the one.
Speaker 3: She left so and she he didn't her after her
Speaker 3: and go live in stars Hollow. But he wanted to
Speaker 3: marry her.
Speaker 4: He was he didn't want to.
Speaker 1: He was the child.
Speaker 5: He didn't He didn't want to marry her. He was
Speaker 5: being forced by his parents to marry her. There's two
Speaker 5: very different.
Speaker 1: He wanted to marry her though there's a way to
Speaker 1: legally compel the other party. Uh to agree to include
Speaker 1: the father in that child. He didn't do that.
Speaker 3: That was correct, And the reason he didn't do that
Speaker 3: is because that would have meant Lorelai had to stay
Speaker 3: in with the Gilmours, and he knew she wanted to leave.
Speaker 3: She did not want to be with Richard and Emily anymore.
Speaker 3: She wanted to take the baby and go out on
Speaker 3: her own. So, yes, your argument is correct. It's another size.
Speaker 1: Was he an alcoholic? Was he a drug addict? Was
Speaker 1: he a criminal? No he was. He was not any
Speaker 1: of those things. He could have fought for his child.
Speaker 1: Sixteen years at least. I don't care how old he
Speaker 1: was a child into the world.
Speaker 3: But you're missing the one point that was trying to do.
Speaker 1: He didn't try hard enough. He disappeared out of their lives.
Speaker 1: Wait and then he comes floating back in and out,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad he got.
Speaker 3: I agree that you can have angst and animosity towards Christopher,
Speaker 3: but at the same time.
Speaker 1: It's no. It's anybody abandons their child and doesn't fight
Speaker 1: for their kid.
Speaker 3: But then how come you're not mad at Lauren for
Speaker 3: taking the kid, Loraly for taking Rory away. She took
Speaker 3: Rory and left. He's sixteen, right, he's not even eighteen.
Speaker 1: There's because she did okay, because she did that for
Speaker 1: her child. She Christoph thought what she did was best
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 3: Christopher did it for Lauralai. He was sixteen years old,
Speaker 3: and Christopher's gotten His.
Speaker 1: Obligation isn't to Laurel, it's to his child. No, but
Speaker 1: it's to be around and be in her life, whether
Speaker 1: it's at a distance or infrequent, but be in the
Speaker 1: area so he's available. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think you can fault anybody for what Larelai did.
Speaker 5: I don't think you can fault Christopher for what he
Speaker 5: did at sixteen years old.
Speaker 4: But he had many years to figure it out and
Speaker 4: he never did.
Speaker 1: He never did that.
Speaker 3: I agree he reas him. To be mad at Christopher
Speaker 3: is not the first five years of her life. It's
Speaker 3: the next you know, after that, And how now he's
Speaker 3: got his himself together and he doesn't call and he
Speaker 3: doesn't he isn't involved, So the being mad at Christopher
Speaker 3: to me really comes later.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And I think I also think that Laurela
Speaker 6: is not the person to say no if someone's asking
Speaker 6: for like straight up asking for help, and I think
Speaker 6: her going over there, like I don't think she wanted to,
Speaker 6: but I think she knew that he's He's basically it's
Speaker 6: him and the baby, and she's been through that by
Speaker 6: herself with Rory, and she's like, well, I.
Speaker 3: Also think there's something in Loralai who likes to be
Speaker 3: the savior, right correct. So Christopher calls he needs her,
Speaker 3: she goes running because she can fix everything and save everything.
Speaker 3: I also think she said to Christopher, He's like, I
Speaker 3: can't do this, and she basically said, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: you have to because you didn't do it the first time.
Speaker 6: And I got I had the same takeaway Amy. I
Speaker 6: thought the same thing. It's like she's like, I did
Speaker 6: it on my own, so now you have to do
Speaker 6: it on your own.
Speaker 3: Right, you blew it the first time, and now you
Speaker 3: you you can't blow it this time.
Speaker 1: He's always worming out of God.
Speaker 5: It's just man, But now it's making me feel like
Speaker 5: he should. Like to answer your question, Tara, I think
Speaker 5: he isn't the wrong for calling her, Like, if I
Speaker 5: had to pick one of the other scenario, it's that
Speaker 5: because he left her to do.
Speaker 4: To raise Rory, by her herself.
Speaker 3: It was very selfish.
Speaker 4: So you know what, now it's time for him to
Speaker 4: figure it out.
Speaker 5: Like, that's very like if I had to pick after
Speaker 5: this conversation we had, it makes me feel like Teeter
Speaker 5: on that side.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Because he's feeling so whiny about it and yeah, feeling
Speaker 1: so sorry for himself that he's in this. It's like
Speaker 1: you just want to smack him and say, stop complaining,
Speaker 1: stop whining, take a shower, shut up and raise your daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for God's sake, you know, really, stop stop acting this way.
Speaker 1: Your life, the life you knew is gone. Now. It's
Speaker 1: not about you, any part of you anymore. You take
Speaker 1: care of that baby and you get act. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just like Laurel. I should have braced him a
Speaker 1: little harder, but she couldn't have done it in front
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she did it the best way she could.
Speaker 5: Like I think saying I did this by myself, you
Speaker 5: can too.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think the part that bothered me was that
Speaker 6: he's like, well, I was traveling and then I came
Speaker 6: back from being gone for so many months. Then she's
Speaker 6: gone as if like he also didn't seem like he
Speaker 6: was there for Gigi, right or yeah, or Sherry. So
Speaker 6: it kind of is like, now he's like, oh, I
Speaker 6: feel bad for me, you know, even though he also
Speaker 6: wasn't there.
Speaker 1: He can't avoid but.
Speaker 6: But he made it seem like he's never there, like
Speaker 6: traveling for work. I understand if you're gone for like
Speaker 6: a couple of days at a time, but it made
Speaker 6: maybe I need to rewatch it the way he made
Speaker 6: it seems like he was gone for like a chunk
Speaker 6: of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think now he's he's realizing he's stuck because Sherry's gone,
Speaker 5: so now he has to like figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and what do we think of Sherry leaving?
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean that.
Speaker 3: Conversation Christopher, like she left with a note.
Speaker 6: With the nanny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just unbelievable, And nobody really brings that up in
Speaker 3: the episode, like wtf Sherry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's just so shocking. How to even address
Speaker 1: it in the moment. Yeah, that's right right there. She's poor,
Speaker 1: poor kid, So the kid's the one that suffers.
Speaker 3: I guess we'll come back to talk about the scene
Speaker 3: with Rory. In the meantime, we've got Doyle and Paris
Speaker 3: having their moment about you know, you think he's going
Speaker 3: to be so mad at her because she's being a lunatic,
Speaker 3: but instead he's super happy about it. You know how
Speaker 3: she's like offending essentially all the religious leaders. So then
Speaker 3: Rory wants to change her story. And now she's digging
Speaker 3: into the Secret Society and she learns about the life
Speaker 3: and death Brigrade and the Umbrella Jump. We sort of
Speaker 3: start to see the pictures. We learned that that Mitcham
Speaker 3: was in it, or we assume Mitcham's in it because
Speaker 3: the other the.
Speaker 6: Grandfather, yeah, Logan's grandfather.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: We do get that funny scene where they go to
Speaker 3: Friday night dinner and neither of the grandparents are there.
Speaker 6: I know, I was kind of excited to see Emily
Speaker 6: and Richard and then I was like, oh yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: They want to like tear up the house and eat
Speaker 3: pizza on the floor, and that's when she's like ready
Speaker 3: for the gossip. Sherry left your dad Like that was.
Speaker 1: Sort of like that's when I felt horrible for Rory.
Speaker 1: Did you sear your Yeah? She just yeah, I felt
Speaker 1: all of her I felt all of her abandonment issues
Speaker 1: with Christopher and all of her protective instincts for her
Speaker 1: mother and this relationship come out in a couple of
Speaker 1: different expressions.
Speaker 3: It was amazing acting by Alexis, right.
Speaker 1: Because brilliant. Brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was very worried, and I knew immediately
Speaker 3: that Rory was worried not about Christopher. Somehow she can
Speaker 3: made in her emotions and faith. She was worried about the.
Speaker 1: Pain that she of, that that void in her life. Right,
Speaker 1: the pain of it would have been you know, what
Speaker 1: would have been better off if he had just disappeared
Speaker 1: and she'd never known him, Right, But the teasing of
Speaker 1: it over the years and him letting them down constantly,
Speaker 1: you know that that's a big hole inside her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you knew that this was much good she she
Speaker 3: Alexis really did an amazing job. Because we all got that.
Speaker 1: We all were like, oh, yeah, she's very good. She's
Speaker 1: very subtle, she's very lunch. She's very very good at this.
Speaker 1: It's amazing somebody that didn't even study. She just has
Speaker 1: all that intelligence and all those instincts. She's very easy
Speaker 1: to watch if you just watch her face. You know,
Speaker 1: every there's not a lot, you know, it's not histrionic.
Speaker 1: It's not big facial movements or is. She's very controlled and.
Speaker 3: Such a good That's such a great point because I'll
Speaker 3: skip ahead when Logan and Rory are instant messaging, you know,
Speaker 3: on the computer. There's no talking, and it's like one
Speaker 3: of the best scenes ever because they're both like doing
Speaker 3: amazing you know whatever, we like to call it face acting.
Speaker 3: And then when they're doing that and then she says
Speaker 3: I agree and he is, He's gone.
Speaker 6: I was just like, Oh, she loved that banswer too totally.
Speaker 3: She I think she's starting to love him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think she's feeling challenged by him.
Speaker 3: The only part I will call out from the episode
Speaker 3: that I thought was weird is I think she would
Speaker 3: have called him Logan, not Huntsburger. You know, when she's
Speaker 3: stalking him and she's all, hey, Huntsburger.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: But the thing I loved is it's the first time
Speaker 3: Ace Ace. So remember Scott, in the beginning you did
Speaker 3: not like it. But in the beginning of I was
Speaker 3: doing this podcast, But now do you like it little
Speaker 3: bit more?
Speaker 1: When you love I love everything about it. I get
Speaker 1: it now. I never saw the show, and then now
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: He's like, Hay, and I'm like, I just died.
Speaker 1: It was so good. That's a total one ad on
Speaker 1: my part.
Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of Luke in this episode. There
Speaker 3: was because he obviously.
Speaker 1: Was in the opening scene and how much can you
Speaker 1: really taske he's fixed.
Speaker 3: In the oven and then now he has the meltdown
Speaker 3: over Kirk in the costume, which also made no sense
Speaker 3: because it's like Sukie would never serve.
Speaker 1: But that but that was Kirk's disconnect and what a
Speaker 1: crappy thing to do to Luke. Here is this this
Speaker 1: this guy trying to destroy his base.
Speaker 3: He's dating the owner, right, that was weird.
Speaker 1: It was a weird move right, and we got the comedy.
Speaker 1: It was funny as heck, But you know, also it
Speaker 1: was like, as a community, why would you do why
Speaker 1: would you try to missile somebody's business like that, you know,
Speaker 1: to help somebody else?
Speaker 3: It was weird, totally agree, totally great and that was.
Speaker 1: A strange, a strange.
Speaker 3: So then.
Speaker 1: I did see I did enjoy the visual kirkinghut, you
Speaker 1: can't you can't live there.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Sean Gunn because not only the Guardians,
Speaker 3: he also just died on The Good Doctor. Just he
Speaker 3: died so fast on the boiler alert, brutal.
Speaker 1: What is what is The Good Doctor?
Speaker 3: The Good Doctor is an amazing show on ABC that
Speaker 3: stars Freddie Hymore and it is really a good show.
Speaker 1: And he was on there as he was a guest star.
Speaker 3: Just super fast, like he basically was in a car
Speaker 3: wreck with the kids. It was gnarly, there was fog,
Speaker 3: and then you think he's fine and then he literally
Speaker 3: just like died.
Speaker 1: Well, he's got a big movie coming out to the Guardians.
Speaker 1: I know, he's got a big part. This is like
Speaker 1: kind of his coming out party.
Speaker 3: In this strench well, and his brother is like the director, right.
Speaker 1: His brother's the writer director. And also the Marvel Studios.
Speaker 3: I mean, wow, it's.
Speaker 1: Hard to blow that addition, right studios. My dad's so sorry. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, good catch, Hannah and jack thank you.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the final scene.
Speaker 1: Easton, Thank you, Easton, Thank you, Jackie. Just taking.
Speaker 3: What do you think about Rory going to see Christopher?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never liked her more, I never liked him.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what she needed to do. It was very
Speaker 1: cathartic thing for her to do. She's probably been wanting
Speaker 1: to do it off and on for her whole life,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 5: Needed to come from her, you know, like if Laura
Speaker 5: I said I need you to stop, it wouldn't stop.
Speaker 5: Like it needed to come from Rory.
Speaker 6: And I like when she said, you can call anyone,
Speaker 6: you can call me, but don't call LAURAAI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, leave mom alone.
Speaker 1: She's protecting She's protecting everybody's heart there. She's protecting her
Speaker 1: own because she doesn't have it. She doesn't really feel
Speaker 1: much for him anyway. I mean she I think she
Speaker 1: likes him because you know she likes him, right, she
Speaker 1: gave him a hug and you know, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to be in your life, but we don't rely on
Speaker 1: you and don't you know, don't do this. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a wonderful moment, her highlight. That was a
Speaker 1: highlight for me.
Speaker 3: And it just shows I know I always say this
Speaker 3: and I'm so redundant, but it just shows the like
Speaker 3: juxtaposition you can have in these episodes where it's like funny, funny, exciting, exciting,
Speaker 3: you know, laughy, laughy, and then it's just like whah,
Speaker 3: because it was like yeah, oh yeah, And not to
Speaker 3: make light but those are. That is an instance when
Speaker 3: it's okay to say leave mom alone. You don't have
Speaker 3: to say leave my mom alone because the mom is related.
Speaker 3: So I love this episode. I did too.
Speaker 1: It was Yeah, I mean, what's the what's the measuring stick?
Speaker 1: You were going to choose, Tara.
Speaker 6: I'm going to give it nine point five iced teas?
Speaker 4: Of course, he said, iced tea.
Speaker 6: You're going to say it, fade off going first for
Speaker 6: that one.
Speaker 5: Danielle oh Man, you know what I'm going to say?
Speaker 5: Eight and a quarter uh sincd yachts off the coast
Speaker 5: of Fiji.
Speaker 3: I love Daniels. Nine point seventy five Gorilla masks h
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it. I think I'm gonna agree
Speaker 1: with you. I'm gonna give it. I'm going to adopt
Speaker 1: just a little bit for the opening scene of what
Speaker 1: I took away from the episode. I'm gonna pin at.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put myself in the penalty box for a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm not gonna in criticism. I'm going to
Speaker 1: agree with the nine point seventy five. You know what,
Speaker 1: let's do a nine nine point What did you give it? Terror?
Speaker 1: Nine five? Oh yeah, nine point five let's let's give
Speaker 1: it a nine point six two five. What the difference
Speaker 1: between YouTube five h a skull and crossbone key chains
Speaker 1: inside of ten escalades or.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna be like hot Dog slurpy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good one, and you know it really
Speaker 3: leads us to you jump I jump.
Speaker 1: Jack episode I'm sorry, Season five, episode seven, you jump
Speaker 1: you jump I jump Jack? I jump you jump Jack? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's.
Speaker 3: I love next week.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're back in the high nines. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if we average it out and what you
Speaker 1: give it an eight seven five eight and a quarter
Speaker 1: in a quarter, well, I think we're still in the nine. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we're still like nineteen two ninety three. That yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think we're good. Anyway, that's gonna wrap it
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