WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Change of Pace 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:19.400 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:23.120 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.440 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:32.840 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:39.080 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.680 It is Wednesday, January eight, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, Episode 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.160 number one ten. Welcome to another edition Off the Break. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.159 We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.279 the Star and do we have a lot to talk 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.400 about today. We've got to talk about all this coaching change. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.120 It's been something that fans and even us at times 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.360 have talked about really for probably a year, maybe a 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.120 year and a half, maybe even two years, I don't know. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.960 But Cowboys do finally make a change. They move on 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.959 from Jason Garrett and they make the decision to hire 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.319 Mike McCarthy. I want to go back with you guys 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.679 to Saturday and Sunday when we started hearing the news 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.520 about Garrett, first of all, and then Sunday obviously no Monday, 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.200 when the news breaks about Mike McCarthy, and tell me 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.520 what your thoughts were as far as this higher for 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.200 the Cowboys. We'll start with you, Nick oh Man, about 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.640 freaking time really wasn't the thought because it didn't started 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.120 the weekend. It started the week before, and you know 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.360 you're hearing reports and all that, and it's frustrating just 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.080 because you know you're waiting on official news and so 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.560 you know, for it to finally happen with Garrett. My 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:47.440 thoughts were, I wonder what changed, you know, did something 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.200 happen in this interview process, because it looked like it 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.040 might go all the way until January fourteenth. That's kind 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.560 of maybe what Jerry was trying to do. It was 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.960 hard to figure out what was happening here, but something 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.800 must have forced his hand. Maybe it was a great 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.760 interview with a great a guy that he decided to hire. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.400 I guess, like looking back on it now and we 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.040 haven't had a chance to talk to anybody, we will today, 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.600 but like me reading between the lines, I guess my 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:16.440 main impression was like they were thinking about keeping that guy. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.560 They were like they were thinking about going forward with 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.120 Jason Garrett if they couldn't find something better, And I 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.400 mean they feel like they did, like again me reading 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.720 between the lines, Jason Garrett's contract didn't run out till 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:34.440 January fourteenth. They did this week long thing where they 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.200 were nobody knew what they were doing, and then they 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.680 hired the one coach with a more extensive resume than 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.160 Jason Garrett. And to me, that reads as Jerry Jones 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.919 being like, I don't really want to do this, so 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.440 if we're going to do it, then I need to 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.600 be absolutely sure that this is a more experienced, more 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.359 successful version of what I already have. I don't want 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.800 to teach another coach how to do this. I don't 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.520 want to learning curve. I don't want any of that stuff. 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.040 I want a guy that can step right in. And 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.280 Mike McCarthy fits that. Bill. I don't know how successful 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.840 he'll successful he'll be, but he fits that. Bill Camber, Well, 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.519 you know, a while back I asked the question as 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.800 to why is it that Jerry Jones is so attached 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.320 to Jason Garrett, and you guys basically answered it. You 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.799 know that he was the guy that he brought up, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.720 and after ten years you're expecting him to kind of 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.160 explode at one point and be productive. So you can 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.880 tell that it wasn't an easy decision, and I was 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.920 kind of I keep going back and fourth time, I okay, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.280 is Garrett gonna convince Jerry? Like, is he gonna bring 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.440 him back? And after you're hearing them meeting more than 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.160 three times. I don't know what the total number was 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.200 of meetings that they had, but a lot of meetings. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.560 As far as McCarthy, I really don't know what to 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.880 feel about him. I know he has the experiences and 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.080 all of that. Hopefully I get a better feel when 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.600 I see him in person. I see pictures of him 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.200 and I'm like, Okay, look, he doesn't seem like an 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.320 aggressive guy, and I want someone aggressive. Is he aggressive? Yeah, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:14.920 that's why I hear. I hear it could be aggressive 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.040 with his team. But well no, honestly, you don't know. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:18.840 You don't know what a coach he is from one 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.400 stop to the next. I don't know if it makes 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.200 him aggressive. But the great stats look at it, that smile, 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.280 Look at him smiling. The great statistician himself. Bobby Belt 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.560 said on Twitter last night that Mike McCarthy won more 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.160 challenges during his time in Green Bay than Jason Garrett 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.039 has thrown. Oh well, he won more challenges than Jason 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.320 Garrett even challenged. Yeah, so, like I said, I don't 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.720 know if that makes him aggressive, but any of them 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.800 stand out more than yeah. Yeah, one in particular is 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.880 pretty important. Yeah. Well, clearly a change was needed, and 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.680 regardless of who the new coach was gonna be, I 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.840 think it was time for the count was to make 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.840 a change at the position. But again, the only time 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.880 we'll tell us to what McCarthy can do with this 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.960 offense and this whole team. But that's of right now. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.839 I don't know how to feel. Should I be excited? 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.320 I don't know. We Oh no, no, go ahead, No, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.599 you haven't had a chance to weigh in here. The 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.800 only thing I was gonna say is actually I agree 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.880 with what you said. I actually think and this is 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.159 something I started to you know, around here in the office, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.160 we all were having our discussions about what we thought 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.760 was going on, because again, that was about as closed 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.360 of a situation as I've ever seen at the Cowboys. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.440 Usually you make the right phone call to somebody in 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.680 the building, you can get an idea of what's happening 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.320 that was not happening last week, Like it was very 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.040 very quiet, and it suggested to me that whatever was 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.440 happening was being kept between Jerry Stephen and Jason Garrett. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.800 And at the time my thought was, well, of course 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.560 they're gonna make a move, They're gonna move on. But 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.719 the more it lingered more, I really started to think 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.920 that Jerry might have been having that conversation and really 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.640 contemplating like should I make this move or should I 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.800 not end? And I think you're absolutely right, Dave. I 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.720 think you get to a guy like Mike McCarthy and 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.520 you just start looking down this guy's resume. You're talking 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.520 about a coach who's already taken a team to the 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.360 Super Bowl. I think nine of his four thirteen years, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.760 nine of his thirteen years at Green Bay, they were 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:20.520 in the playoffs, had four division title game appearances, obviously 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.720 winning the Super Bowl. Like, there's nobody else right now 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.359 that was currently available as far as head coaches are concerned, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.039 that had the resume of Mike McCarthy. So if if 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.040 Jerry is wanting to go out and find somebody who 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.039 has the resume that says he can get it done, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.839 that's really the only guy out there. And when they 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.040 had the interview, it sounds like they were from the 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.640 very beginning beginning. It was kind of this match made 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.840 in Heaven where they really hit it off, and I 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.200 think that's why they pulled the trigger. I said this 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.160 on We did a you know, a joint show on 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.000 Monday to kind of react to it. I said it 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.200 there so I won't do the whole spiel again, but 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.080 it reminds me of drafting Zach Martin over Johnny Manzel. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.520 I mean, Lincoln Riley could have been this Sean McVeigh 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.360 League landscape transforming higher, or it could have been just 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.560 an utter disaster and two years from now, everybody's like, Wow, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.400 that was really stupid. Mike McCarthy, I think Amber's reaction 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.320 is probably how a lot of people feel like. I 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.360 don't think people are just rioting in the streets in anger, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.960 and I don't think people are throwing parties either. They're 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.400 just kind of like, Okay, this could work. And I 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.840 don't know if he'll get the Cowboys to a super Bowl, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:28.680 but I don't think they'll look back in three years 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.960 and feel like they did something stupid either. Just a 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.960 steady solid higher well question, Sorry, I was just going 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.480 to ask a quick question, why if he has so 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.880 much experience and this extensive resume. Why was he not 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.520 working last year? Well, that's the nature of him. You 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.160 get fired, and obviously the luster comes off, right. He'd 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:49.960 had the career that he had there, but then he 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.080 had his final season there. He got fired during the season, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.560 and so obviously there's not a lot of teams necessarily 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.000 that's always ready to just jump right in there with 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.840 a guy because Aaron Rodgers, I think, didn't want them 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:04.840 to be the coach. Yeah, and I think there were 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.920 there were, at least from the reports I've read in 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.280 Green Bay, there were people that thought that his thing 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.560 got stale there, like is play calling got stale, supposedly, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.560 and his offense got stale. Only won one Super Bowl. Well, 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.120 you know that's always as your arguments. That's what I'm 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:23.520 saying is that everybody's expectations are at a different level. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.400 Jason couldn't get past the divisional game. Mike McCarthy couldn't 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.360 get back to the Super Bowl. Again, some coaches, Marvin Lewis, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.680 let's say, couldn't win a playoff game. Some coaches couldn't 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.600 get to the playoffs. So everybody's got there. But once 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.319 you set those expectations and you know. I see it 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.800 a lot in college too. You programs that aren't very 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:42.400 good all of a sudden they go to bowl games 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.480 every year, but then they can't go past eight and 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.640 four or nine and three. You if you start getting 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.719 evaluated by the expectations that you have created. So he 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.120 created those expectations to be at that level and he 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.440 couldn't get there. So but to her question, and let 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.360 me go back to what Dave said, too well, I 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.360 said this on the show the other day. The Johnny 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.920 Manzel Jack Martin is a very good example because I 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.520 believe Jerry was the only one in the room that 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.680 wanted Johnny Manziel and everyone was trying to listen, can't 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.199 do this, he's not ready. And this guy's a solid player, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.040 better than Sally has been a seven to six time 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.079 All Pro. I think in this case, I think I 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.000 don't know. One of the reasons why you don't hearing 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.480 a lot of what was going on not there is 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.160 because I think Jerry was probably one of the only 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.920 people that wanted to do that. And then when you 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.120 start getting into ownership and changes and up at the 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:39.040 top and a difference of opinion, that's where that's where 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:40.720 you know, you hit like a stalemate because a lot 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.959 of times they're they're on the same level. But I 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.640 think in this case, again, Jerry was probably the only 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.120 one that really was thinking. So when you said I 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.360 think they wanted to keep him, I don't know if 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.240 it was they may yeah, yeah, which I think causes 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.599 issues with how they operate around there. And so this 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.599 was one of those cases where they maybe you know, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:02.120 disagreed and that's what caused some you know, a delay 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.760 in all this. Yeah, um, let's go to I want 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.400 to ask you guys a question. If you if you 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.240 assume that that McCarthy is at least a solid higher 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.959 based on what you know of him, what do you 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.240 think is the best thing he brings this team or 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.960 what is the thing that you expect would be better 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:23.720 under him than and it's been under Jason Garrett. I'll start. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:28.760 I guess I think that you know, just first of all, 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.600 fans won't be able to say this guy, I don't 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.240 believe this guy could get us to the super Bowl. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.439 So you can't really say that because he's not he 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.240 can get it there. Now you can you can turn 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.200 it to dak if you want. If if if they 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:40.640 fans want to say that. I don't know if Dak 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.920 you know, they already do say that, but I think 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:47.120 that you know the experience of winning, you know, these 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.439 games in the playoffs, what it takes to be just 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.120 a little bit better when you have these close games, 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.080 you know, down there a feel for when do you challenge, 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.360 when do you not? That's all part of game management 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.520 and and so you know, I think that that'll just 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.080 to his experience there. And I know we're gonna talk 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.440 a little bit about why he didn't coach last year. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.200 I think I think there's a lot to that that's 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.319 really intriguing for me of why he didn't coach and 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:14.920 what he was doing last Yeah, I want to get 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.280 it to that. I don't know if that was why 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.960 he didn't coach, but I think he made good use 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.199 of the time and I think it's why personally, I 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.160 think it's why he got the job. Here is what 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.719 he was doing through that. We'll talk about that in 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.520 just a second. Maybe not better than you can't say 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.600 this is better than Jason Garrett, but again, I think 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.640 a big selling point is that this is a guy 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.040 who's done everything that he needs to do already in 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.680 turn like he's got skins on the wall. He has 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.280 run an NFL program and done so successfully. He is 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.959 a veteran, He's been in a Super Bowl. He's not 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.240 going to have or shouldn't have a hard time commanding 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.199 the respect of the locker room, especially if the staff 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.120 that he is reportedly putting together is really If that 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.319 comes to fruition, I mean you're talking like hundreds of 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.440 years of NFL experience on this staff. I don't think 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.640 even a team is experienced and talented as this should 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.080 have a hard time responding to that. Again, Jason Garrett 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.000 did all of that too, but with a less experienced coach, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:10.679 I think you run the risk of people being like, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.679 who the hell's this guy? So what if you want 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.840 in the Big twelve? Well, I don't think that's an 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:19.480 issue here. Better than Jason, I have a feeling we're 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.040 going to have a better idea what he does on 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.240 game day. I mean, this is a guy that's been 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.040 a play caller for the vast majority of his NFL career. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.439 Say what you want about how it ended with Rogers, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:33.800 but he was definitely instrumental in his young and developing career. Again, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.600 a lot I mean it's so hard to know where 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.560 to split the credit on that. Like, Rogers probably would 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.440 have been great with any coach, I think, I think, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.280 I am. You can't say that for sure, but I think. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.920 But even at the same time, this is a young 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.719 offensive mind and coach who's good at calling plays and 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.520 putting game plans together, who helped Rodgers develop into one 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.160 of the best quarterbacks in the league. That's really encouraging 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.400 for a team that's got a twenty six year old quarterback. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.160 I think again, I mean, from calling plays to designing 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.800 the game plan. I think, like I said, I think 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.800 we're gonna have a much clearer idea of what he's 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.480 doing during a given game than Jason Garrett. Yeah, I 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.280 will say this, and I've been having this this debate 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.320 on Twitter with people about the development of Aaron Rodgers. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.760 He spent two years with Aaron Rodgers as his head 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.839 coach before Aaron Rodgers became a starter. To me, I 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.440 look at that and say, I don't know how much 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.200 credit he gets, but you gotta get some. You're talking 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.760 about a quarterback that twenty three teams decided we're not 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.680 going to take a shot at him, and that says 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.960 to me that there were some things that teams felt 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:33.839 like needed to be worked out in him, whatever it was, 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.280 they felt like he wasn't necessarily a surefire. Don't because 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.079 those guys don't last still the twenty fourth pick in 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.079 the NFL draft. I don't care what you think of 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.360 their arrogance or whatever else. They don't last still the 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.200 twenty fourth pick in the draft. If people don't think 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.720 they have something that has to be worked out in them, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.280 you're not wrong. But don't forget that the narrative going 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.880 into that draft was that Rogers or Smith could go 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.559 number one, like people were talking about him as a 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.240 number one overall pick. So I don't Yeah, that's a 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.960 great mystery, but I don't know that he was seen 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.839 as as big of a project as a lot of 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.120 quarterbacks that have come out. Maybe not, but there would 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.640 have been somebody around fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.400 who would have, even if they weren't there, would have 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.040 traded up if they felt like this is a no 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.480 misby link about all the guys who have been picked 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.520 up as quarterbacks where teams jumped up a couple of 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.560 spots because they were like this guy's just too We 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.280 are so good to be waiting around at this point. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.560 We are agreeing with each other. But you can't. You 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.120 can't take all the credit away from Mike McCarthy, even 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.080 if I do think Rogers would have been great anywhere. Yeah, 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.360 and that's that may be the truth. I just look 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.000 at this and I say, you have a quarterback that 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.400 right now is good, really good at times. Right if 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.760 you have a guy that actually can get him from 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.400 good to great, and maybe Aaron Rodgers would have been 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.280 good but maybe not great if he hadn't had McCarthy. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.640 All I'm saying is the fact that he was a 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.720 part of the development of a quarterback that became a 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:54.720 great quarterback. I want to see what he can do 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.160 with this quarterback and see if he can get him 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:57.840 to that next level. I would love to know if 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.600 Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers will exchange messages about this 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.920 higher and what Rogers would say privately interesting Even if 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.680 I had a chance to ask him, he wouldn't tell 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.200 me what he would tell Dak privately, But that would 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.440 be fascinating, right because you'll tell him the good and 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:13.800 the bad. Because I guess what with all of us, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.720 there's good and there's sure, right Ambery are you are? 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.400 Do you think that in this type of situation, just 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.560 having a new voice makes a difference for this team? 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.760 I think so. I mean you can tell even with 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.840 the players and how they were feeling as far as 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.920 having Jason Garrett around, I think the mood was starting 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.880 to switch towards the end of the season. Now I'm 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.120 really curious to see how this is going to work 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.320 out with Kellen Moore. I know he's he is a 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.640 smart guy, and he's starting out in his career, he's 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.880 young and this and that. But I just because I 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.720 don't really know how much liberty he had with Jason 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.240 Garrett as far as him planning all the plays for 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.160 the offense, I don't really know what Kellen Moore can 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.000 actually do because I'm not sure how much of that 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.960 was his own doing versus how much input Jason Garrett 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.240 had in the whole game. So I don't know. I'm 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.120 not sure how I quite feel with Kellen Moore and 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.640 the reports of him coming back as the offensive coordinator, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:21.440 And I just I don't know if I wanted a 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.040 whole clean sweep, like let's clean it all out and 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.440 bringing a whole new staff, or let's keep him another 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.520 year and kind of see how he goes. 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Let's talk about Kelvin Moore. 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.480 It sounds like, based on reports that there is a 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.200 strong likelihood that he will be retained as the offensive coordinator. Nick, 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:03.600 you were about to make a point before the break, 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.159 would you have? Well, I don't think nobody cares who 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.520 the general manager is. They just care who picks the players. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.760 Nobody cares who coordinates the offense. They want to know 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.840 who calls the place. So that's really what this is 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.040 going to come down to is, Yeah, he might be 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.520 the play caller. I don't know if he'll call the plays. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.360 And if Mike McCarthy calls the plays, then you know, obviously, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.520 because people want to know who who do? Who do? 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.000 I get mad at on third and one when they 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.919 threw it deep, you know, And so that that's what's 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.320 what will be. And I think McCarthy will call the plays. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:36.960 But if you got a chance, and I think you 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:38.960 know that interview has been floating around with Peter King, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.119 get a chance to see it where he talked about 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:45.240 that whoever's going to install the game plan will be 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.840 the one that calls the place. But I do think 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.639 is that where he mentioned Kellen Moore and the ironically 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.000 he used to Kellen Moore play to illustrate stuff that 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.840 he wants to do in his next stop in the NFL. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.720 So maybe he will call it. I mean, I don't 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.560