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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January eight, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, Episode
Speaker 1: number one ten. Welcome to another edition Off the Break.
Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star and do we have a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about today. We've got to talk about all this coaching change.
Speaker 1: It's been something that fans and even us at times
Speaker 1: have talked about really for probably a year, maybe a
Speaker 1: year and a half, maybe even two years, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But Cowboys do finally make a change. They move on
Speaker 1: from Jason Garrett and they make the decision to hire
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I want to go back with you guys
Speaker 1: to Saturday and Sunday when we started hearing the news
Speaker 1: about Garrett, first of all, and then Sunday obviously no Monday,
Speaker 1: when the news breaks about Mike McCarthy, and tell me
Speaker 1: what your thoughts were as far as this higher for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. We'll start with you, Nick oh Man, about
Speaker 1: freaking time really wasn't the thought because it didn't started
Speaker 1: the weekend. It started the week before, and you know
Speaker 1: you're hearing reports and all that, and it's frustrating just
Speaker 1: because you know you're waiting on official news and so
Speaker 1: you know, for it to finally happen with Garrett. My
Speaker 1: thoughts were, I wonder what changed, you know, did something
Speaker 1: happen in this interview process, because it looked like it
Speaker 1: might go all the way until January fourteenth. That's kind
Speaker 1: of maybe what Jerry was trying to do. It was
Speaker 1: hard to figure out what was happening here, but something
Speaker 1: must have forced his hand. Maybe it was a great
Speaker 1: interview with a great a guy that he decided to hire.
Speaker 1: I guess, like looking back on it now and we
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to talk to anybody, we will today,
Speaker 1: but like me reading between the lines, I guess my
Speaker 1: main impression was like they were thinking about keeping that guy.
Speaker 1: They were like they were thinking about going forward with
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett if they couldn't find something better, And I
Speaker 1: mean they feel like they did, like again me reading
Speaker 1: between the lines, Jason Garrett's contract didn't run out till
Speaker 1: January fourteenth. They did this week long thing where they
Speaker 1: were nobody knew what they were doing, and then they
Speaker 1: hired the one coach with a more extensive resume than
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. And to me, that reads as Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: being like, I don't really want to do this, so
Speaker 1: if we're going to do it, then I need to
Speaker 1: be absolutely sure that this is a more experienced, more
Speaker 1: successful version of what I already have. I don't want
Speaker 1: to teach another coach how to do this. I don't
Speaker 1: want to learning curve. I don't want any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I want a guy that can step right in. And
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy fits that. Bill. I don't know how successful
Speaker 1: he'll successful he'll be, but he fits that. Bill Camber, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, a while back I asked the question as
Speaker 1: to why is it that Jerry Jones is so attached
Speaker 1: to Jason Garrett, and you guys basically answered it. You
Speaker 1: know that he was the guy that he brought up,
Speaker 1: and after ten years you're expecting him to kind of
Speaker 1: explode at one point and be productive. So you can
Speaker 1: tell that it wasn't an easy decision, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of I keep going back and fourth time, I okay,
Speaker 1: is Garrett gonna convince Jerry? Like, is he gonna bring
Speaker 1: him back? And after you're hearing them meeting more than
Speaker 1: three times. I don't know what the total number was
Speaker 1: of meetings that they had, but a lot of meetings.
Speaker 1: As far as McCarthy, I really don't know what to
Speaker 1: feel about him. I know he has the experiences and
Speaker 1: all of that. Hopefully I get a better feel when
Speaker 1: I see him in person. I see pictures of him
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, look, he doesn't seem like an
Speaker 1: aggressive guy, and I want someone aggressive. Is he aggressive? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I hear. I hear it could be aggressive
Speaker 1: with his team. But well no, honestly, you don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't know what a coach he is from one
Speaker 1: stop to the next. I don't know if it makes
Speaker 1: him aggressive. But the great stats look at it, that smile,
Speaker 1: Look at him smiling. The great statistician himself. Bobby Belt
Speaker 1: said on Twitter last night that Mike McCarthy won more
Speaker 1: challenges during his time in Green Bay than Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: has thrown. Oh well, he won more challenges than Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett even challenged. Yeah, so, like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that makes him aggressive, but any of them
Speaker 1: stand out more than yeah. Yeah, one in particular is
Speaker 1: pretty important. Yeah. Well, clearly a change was needed, and
Speaker 1: regardless of who the new coach was gonna be, I
Speaker 1: think it was time for the count was to make
Speaker 1: a change at the position. But again, the only time
Speaker 1: we'll tell us to what McCarthy can do with this
Speaker 1: offense and this whole team. But that's of right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel. Should I be excited?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We Oh no, no, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: you haven't had a chance to weigh in here. The
Speaker 1: only thing I was gonna say is actually I agree
Speaker 1: with what you said. I actually think and this is
Speaker 1: something I started to you know, around here in the office,
Speaker 1: we all were having our discussions about what we thought
Speaker 1: was going on, because again, that was about as closed
Speaker 1: of a situation as I've ever seen at the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Usually you make the right phone call to somebody in
Speaker 1: the building, you can get an idea of what's happening
Speaker 1: that was not happening last week, Like it was very
Speaker 1: very quiet, and it suggested to me that whatever was
Speaker 1: happening was being kept between Jerry Stephen and Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: And at the time my thought was, well, of course
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a move, They're gonna move on. But
Speaker 1: the more it lingered more, I really started to think
Speaker 1: that Jerry might have been having that conversation and really
Speaker 1: contemplating like should I make this move or should I
Speaker 1: not end? And I think you're absolutely right, Dave. I
Speaker 1: think you get to a guy like Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: you just start looking down this guy's resume. You're talking
Speaker 1: about a coach who's already taken a team to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I think nine of his four thirteen years,
Speaker 1: nine of his thirteen years at Green Bay, they were
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, had four division title game appearances, obviously
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl. Like, there's nobody else right now
Speaker 1: that was currently available as far as head coaches are concerned,
Speaker 1: that had the resume of Mike McCarthy. So if if
Speaker 1: Jerry is wanting to go out and find somebody who
Speaker 1: has the resume that says he can get it done,
Speaker 1: that's really the only guy out there. And when they
Speaker 1: had the interview, it sounds like they were from the
Speaker 1: very beginning beginning. It was kind of this match made
Speaker 1: in Heaven where they really hit it off, and I
Speaker 1: think that's why they pulled the trigger. I said this
Speaker 1: on We did a you know, a joint show on
Speaker 1: Monday to kind of react to it. I said it
Speaker 1: there so I won't do the whole spiel again, but
Speaker 1: it reminds me of drafting Zach Martin over Johnny Manzel.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lincoln Riley could have been this Sean McVeigh
Speaker 1: League landscape transforming higher, or it could have been just
Speaker 1: an utter disaster and two years from now, everybody's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was really stupid. Mike McCarthy, I think Amber's reaction
Speaker 1: is probably how a lot of people feel like. I
Speaker 1: don't think people are just rioting in the streets in anger,
Speaker 1: and I don't think people are throwing parties either. They're
Speaker 1: just kind of like, Okay, this could work. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll get the Cowboys to a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they'll look back in three years
Speaker 1: and feel like they did something stupid either. Just a
Speaker 1: steady solid higher well question, Sorry, I was just going
Speaker 1: to ask a quick question, why if he has so
Speaker 1: much experience and this extensive resume. Why was he not
Speaker 1: working last year? Well, that's the nature of him. You
Speaker 1: get fired, and obviously the luster comes off, right. He'd
Speaker 1: had the career that he had there, but then he
Speaker 1: had his final season there. He got fired during the season,
Speaker 1: and so obviously there's not a lot of teams necessarily
Speaker 1: that's always ready to just jump right in there with
Speaker 1: a guy because Aaron Rodgers, I think, didn't want them
Speaker 1: to be the coach. Yeah, and I think there were
Speaker 1: there were, at least from the reports I've read in
Speaker 1: Green Bay, there were people that thought that his thing
Speaker 1: got stale there, like is play calling got stale, supposedly,
Speaker 1: and his offense got stale. Only won one Super Bowl. Well,
Speaker 1: you know that's always as your arguments. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that everybody's expectations are at a different level.
Speaker 1: Jason couldn't get past the divisional game. Mike McCarthy couldn't
Speaker 1: get back to the Super Bowl. Again, some coaches, Marvin Lewis,
Speaker 1: let's say, couldn't win a playoff game. Some coaches couldn't
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. So everybody's got there. But once
Speaker 1: you set those expectations and you know. I see it
Speaker 1: a lot in college too. You programs that aren't very
Speaker 1: good all of a sudden they go to bowl games
Speaker 1: every year, but then they can't go past eight and
Speaker 1: four or nine and three. You if you start getting
Speaker 1: evaluated by the expectations that you have created. So he
Speaker 1: created those expectations to be at that level and he
Speaker 1: couldn't get there. So but to her question, and let
Speaker 1: me go back to what Dave said, too well, I
Speaker 1: said this on the show the other day. The Johnny
Speaker 1: Manzel Jack Martin is a very good example because I
Speaker 1: believe Jerry was the only one in the room that
Speaker 1: wanted Johnny Manziel and everyone was trying to listen, can't
Speaker 1: do this, he's not ready. And this guy's a solid player,
Speaker 1: better than Sally has been a seven to six time
Speaker 1: All Pro. I think in this case, I think I
Speaker 1: don't know. One of the reasons why you don't hearing
Speaker 1: a lot of what was going on not there is
Speaker 1: because I think Jerry was probably one of the only
Speaker 1: people that wanted to do that. And then when you
Speaker 1: start getting into ownership and changes and up at the
Speaker 1: top and a difference of opinion, that's where that's where
Speaker 1: you know, you hit like a stalemate because a lot
Speaker 1: of times they're they're on the same level. But I
Speaker 1: think in this case, again, Jerry was probably the only
Speaker 1: one that really was thinking. So when you said I
Speaker 1: think they wanted to keep him, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was they may yeah, yeah, which I think causes
Speaker 1: issues with how they operate around there. And so this
Speaker 1: was one of those cases where they maybe you know,
Speaker 1: disagreed and that's what caused some you know, a delay
Speaker 1: in all this. Yeah, um, let's go to I want
Speaker 1: to ask you guys a question. If you if you
Speaker 1: assume that that McCarthy is at least a solid higher
Speaker 1: based on what you know of him, what do you
Speaker 1: think is the best thing he brings this team or
Speaker 1: what is the thing that you expect would be better
Speaker 1: under him than and it's been under Jason Garrett. I'll start.
Speaker 1: I guess I think that you know, just first of all,
Speaker 1: fans won't be able to say this guy, I don't
Speaker 1: believe this guy could get us to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So you can't really say that because he's not he
Speaker 1: can get it there. Now you can you can turn
Speaker 1: it to dak if you want. If if if they
Speaker 1: fans want to say that. I don't know if Dak
Speaker 1: you know, they already do say that, but I think
Speaker 1: that you know the experience of winning, you know, these
Speaker 1: games in the playoffs, what it takes to be just
Speaker 1: a little bit better when you have these close games,
Speaker 1: you know, down there a feel for when do you challenge,
Speaker 1: when do you not? That's all part of game management
Speaker 1: and and so you know, I think that that'll just
Speaker 1: to his experience there. And I know we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about why he didn't coach last year.
Speaker 1: I think I think there's a lot to that that's
Speaker 1: really intriguing for me of why he didn't coach and
Speaker 1: what he was doing last Yeah, I want to get
Speaker 1: it to that. I don't know if that was why
Speaker 1: he didn't coach, but I think he made good use
Speaker 1: of the time and I think it's why personally, I
Speaker 1: think it's why he got the job. Here is what
Speaker 1: he was doing through that. We'll talk about that in
Speaker 1: just a second. Maybe not better than you can't say
Speaker 1: this is better than Jason Garrett, but again, I think
Speaker 1: a big selling point is that this is a guy
Speaker 1: who's done everything that he needs to do already in
Speaker 1: turn like he's got skins on the wall. He has
Speaker 1: run an NFL program and done so successfully. He is
Speaker 1: a veteran, He's been in a Super Bowl. He's not
Speaker 1: going to have or shouldn't have a hard time commanding
Speaker 1: the respect of the locker room, especially if the staff
Speaker 1: that he is reportedly putting together is really If that
Speaker 1: comes to fruition, I mean you're talking like hundreds of
Speaker 1: years of NFL experience on this staff. I don't think
Speaker 1: even a team is experienced and talented as this should
Speaker 1: have a hard time responding to that. Again, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: did all of that too, but with a less experienced coach,
Speaker 1: I think you run the risk of people being like,
Speaker 1: who the hell's this guy? So what if you want
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve? Well, I don't think that's an
Speaker 1: issue here. Better than Jason, I have a feeling we're
Speaker 1: going to have a better idea what he does on
Speaker 1: game day. I mean, this is a guy that's been
Speaker 1: a play caller for the vast majority of his NFL career.
Speaker 1: Say what you want about how it ended with Rogers,
Speaker 1: but he was definitely instrumental in his young and developing career. Again,
Speaker 1: a lot I mean it's so hard to know where
Speaker 1: to split the credit on that. Like, Rogers probably would
Speaker 1: have been great with any coach, I think, I think,
Speaker 1: I am. You can't say that for sure, but I think.
Speaker 1: But even at the same time, this is a young
Speaker 1: offensive mind and coach who's good at calling plays and
Speaker 1: putting game plans together, who helped Rodgers develop into one
Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in the league. That's really encouraging
Speaker 1: for a team that's got a twenty six year old quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think again, I mean, from calling plays to designing
Speaker 1: the game plan. I think, like I said, I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a much clearer idea of what he's
Speaker 1: doing during a given game than Jason Garrett. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: will say this, and I've been having this this debate
Speaker 1: on Twitter with people about the development of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: He spent two years with Aaron Rodgers as his head
Speaker 1: coach before Aaron Rodgers became a starter. To me, I
Speaker 1: look at that and say, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: credit he gets, but you gotta get some. You're talking
Speaker 1: about a quarterback that twenty three teams decided we're not
Speaker 1: going to take a shot at him, and that says
Speaker 1: to me that there were some things that teams felt
Speaker 1: like needed to be worked out in him, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: they felt like he wasn't necessarily a surefire. Don't because
Speaker 1: those guys don't last still the twenty fourth pick in
Speaker 1: the NFL draft. I don't care what you think of
Speaker 1: their arrogance or whatever else. They don't last still the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth pick in the draft. If people don't think
Speaker 1: they have something that has to be worked out in them,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. But don't forget that the narrative going
Speaker 1: into that draft was that Rogers or Smith could go
Speaker 1: number one, like people were talking about him as a
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. So I don't Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great mystery, but I don't know that he was seen
Speaker 1: as as big of a project as a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have come out. Maybe not, but there would
Speaker 1: have been somebody around fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: who would have, even if they weren't there, would have
Speaker 1: traded up if they felt like this is a no
Speaker 1: misby link about all the guys who have been picked
Speaker 1: up as quarterbacks where teams jumped up a couple of
Speaker 1: spots because they were like this guy's just too We
Speaker 1: are so good to be waiting around at this point.
Speaker 1: We are agreeing with each other. But you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't take all the credit away from Mike McCarthy, even
Speaker 1: if I do think Rogers would have been great anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that may be the truth. I just look
Speaker 1: at this and I say, you have a quarterback that
Speaker 1: right now is good, really good at times. Right if
Speaker 1: you have a guy that actually can get him from
Speaker 1: good to great, and maybe Aaron Rodgers would have been
Speaker 1: good but maybe not great if he hadn't had McCarthy.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is the fact that he was a
Speaker 1: part of the development of a quarterback that became a
Speaker 1: great quarterback. I want to see what he can do
Speaker 1: with this quarterback and see if he can get him
Speaker 1: to that next level. I would love to know if
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers will exchange messages about this
Speaker 1: higher and what Rogers would say privately interesting Even if
Speaker 1: I had a chance to ask him, he wouldn't tell
Speaker 1: me what he would tell Dak privately, But that would
Speaker 1: be fascinating, right because you'll tell him the good and
Speaker 1: the bad. Because I guess what with all of us,
Speaker 1: there's good and there's sure, right Ambery are you are?
Speaker 1: Do you think that in this type of situation, just
Speaker 1: having a new voice makes a difference for this team?
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean you can tell even with
Speaker 1: the players and how they were feeling as far as
Speaker 1: having Jason Garrett around, I think the mood was starting
Speaker 1: to switch towards the end of the season. Now I'm
Speaker 1: really curious to see how this is going to work
Speaker 1: out with Kellen Moore. I know he's he is a
Speaker 1: smart guy, and he's starting out in his career, he's
Speaker 1: young and this and that. But I just because I
Speaker 1: don't really know how much liberty he had with Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett as far as him planning all the plays for
Speaker 1: the offense, I don't really know what Kellen Moore can
Speaker 1: actually do because I'm not sure how much of that
Speaker 1: was his own doing versus how much input Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: had in the whole game. So I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how I quite feel with Kellen Moore and
Speaker 1: the reports of him coming back as the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: And I just I don't know if I wanted a
Speaker 1: whole clean sweep, like let's clean it all out and
Speaker 1: bringing a whole new staff, or let's keep him another
Speaker 1: year and kind of see how he goes. Let's do this, Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna runt to break real fast. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it, and I want to
Speaker 1: get your opinion on Kellen Moore. I also want to
Speaker 1: talk about some of these other coaches, because I do
Speaker 1: think there is a pretty big sweet that's coming here,
Speaker 1: at least from the reports that we're starting here. We'll
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Speaker 1: September twenty nineteen. Back to The Break Welcome Back. It
Speaker 1: is the second segment of The Break Life in this
Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, talking about the coaching changes.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the head coach. Let's talk about Kelvin Moore.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, based on reports that there is a
Speaker 1: strong likelihood that he will be retained as the offensive coordinator. Nick,
Speaker 1: you were about to make a point before the break,
Speaker 1: would you have? Well, I don't think nobody cares who
Speaker 1: the general manager is. They just care who picks the players.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares who coordinates the offense. They want to know
Speaker 1: who calls the place. So that's really what this is
Speaker 1: going to come down to is, Yeah, he might be
Speaker 1: the play caller. I don't know if he'll call the plays.
Speaker 1: And if Mike McCarthy calls the plays, then you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: because people want to know who who do? Who do?
Speaker 1: I get mad at on third and one when they
Speaker 1: threw it deep, you know, And so that that's what's
Speaker 1: what will be. And I think McCarthy will call the plays.
Speaker 1: But if you got a chance, and I think you
Speaker 1: know that interview has been floating around with Peter King,
Speaker 1: get a chance to see it where he talked about
Speaker 1: that whoever's going to install the game plan will be
Speaker 1: the one that calls the place. But I do think
Speaker 1: is that where he mentioned Kellen Moore and the ironically
Speaker 1: he used to Kellen Moore play to illustrate stuff that
Speaker 1: he wants to do in his next stop in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So maybe he will call it. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know yet, but I just know that he's done in
Speaker 1: the past. He got pulled from him in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: and they sucked. They sucked. He took it back, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's I don't know, that's tough. It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to imagine a you know, I mean, McCarthy's
Speaker 1: been in the NFL since the nineties. It's hard for
Speaker 1: me to imagine him giving up play calling duties. But
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine Kellen Moore taking what
Speaker 1: I would view as a demotion, I mean, not being
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator who doesn't call the plays. Obviously that exists,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's established guys like Sean Payton
Speaker 1: who do that. So I'm curious to get the answer
Speaker 1: to that, if they'll give it to us. Is who's
Speaker 1: actually going to be in charge of that it does
Speaker 1: sound like Kellen's going to stay. I like it. You know,
Speaker 1: last year was a net positive for me. Like there
Speaker 1: were ups and downs and growing pains, but the offense
Speaker 1: was not the problem for this team for the vast
Speaker 1: majority of the season. He's an intriguing and exciting young coach.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is, does it create
Speaker 1: kind of a Jason Garrett situation where Mike McCarthy has
Speaker 1: to worry that the Wonder Ken is like over his shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know, ready to do something bigger and better if
Speaker 1: they struggle. I mean, that's what happened to Wade Phillips. Right,
Speaker 1: So let me ask this and I'm gonna lay out
Speaker 1: this my scenario of what I think on this, and
Speaker 1: then you guys can tear it apart, all right. I
Speaker 1: think that last year one of the problems that Cowboys
Speaker 1: had was inexperience in the coaching ranks, particularly. I will
Speaker 1: point to several different position coaches, and the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: was a part of that. I think that the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore, I think he was good at his job.
Speaker 1: I think the games where the Cowboys often struggled and
Speaker 1: in moments in games where Cowboys often struggled. I think
Speaker 1: were a result of his lack of experience, and I
Speaker 1: don't think, my personal opinion, nobody's told me this. I
Speaker 1: don't think the head coach last year was necessarily helping
Speaker 1: him in those situations. Hey, my experience tells me maybe
Speaker 1: we should try this. Hey let's do this, maybe we
Speaker 1: should go to this. And so I think because of that,
Speaker 1: what you saw was an inexperienced guy having to learn
Speaker 1: the ropes basically without somebody giving him advice sound advice
Speaker 1: during the game that might help him out of tough situations.
Speaker 1: My expectation for this is if they bring Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: back and let's say Kelly Kelly Moore is going to
Speaker 1: call the plays. What I like about that is this
Speaker 1: head coach has a vested interest in him succeeding, which
Speaker 1: means that maybe he steps in and says, hey, at
Speaker 1: this point. We saw this with Bill Parcels. He used
Speaker 1: to do this. He talked about just because I'm not
Speaker 1: calling the plays doesn't mean I don't influence plays. Right,
Speaker 1: So if there's a situation in a game where hey, Kelln,
Speaker 1: I know you might be thinking something here, but I
Speaker 1: really think this is a point in the game where
Speaker 1: we need to run the ball. I really think this
Speaker 1: is a play. I see this, this opportunity over here
Speaker 1: with with what one of the receivers doing down Phil,
Speaker 1: Let's take a shot here, right. He's still calling the plays,
Speaker 1: but there's somebody that's giving him advice as he's calling
Speaker 1: the plays that might help him learn and be better
Speaker 1: as he goes along because he doesn't know what he
Speaker 1: doesn't know as an inexperienced guy. What do you guys
Speaker 1: think of that? I don't think I mean that we
Speaker 1: know that if Garrett was doing that or not doing that.
Speaker 1: But I think that McCarthy's gonna have, you know, just
Speaker 1: a good handle of the offense um, and you know
Speaker 1: that's gonna be where they've got to be on the
Speaker 1: same page with Kellen Moore. He's got you know, once
Speaker 1: you get to that point where you think, hey, he
Speaker 1: knows what I'm what I'm thinking here, he he gets it,
Speaker 1: and that'll just be a feel thing. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why you know, we might hate four preseason games, but
Speaker 1: they won't. They'll love the four preseason games or five, um,
Speaker 1: if they go to the Hall of Fame game, which
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out I don't know that, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to scare anybody, but I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's happening, But I'm just saying if
Speaker 1: they have five, they'll probably love it. What you don't
Speaker 1: want to go you don't want to go to Canton? No, sorry,
Speaker 1: I've been there. They typically only do that when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys person is up for enshrinement. Only one of the
Speaker 1: most famous coaches might be getting Jimmy Johnson see A Finalists, Yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: he could get in there. I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will be in that game, but I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: think these the preseason games I think will be important
Speaker 1: from that standpoint. Let's go to I think the preseason
Speaker 1: games will be important for that because what will happen
Speaker 1: is is they'll get a chance to see It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you're playing Bengals or or whatever. You'll get
Speaker 1: a chance to do that. Sometimes you got to talk
Speaker 1: to whoever's listening. Yeah, Amber was listening. Now I was world,
Speaker 1: But you did make You're like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: if that's happened to Jason. What gives me that opinion
Speaker 1: is we saw towards the end of the year that
Speaker 1: Jason was very adamant at certain questions like well and
Speaker 1: when he said like, oh, I don't want to be
Speaker 1: in his ear during I'm like, you should be in
Speaker 1: his ear. You should be having this kind of communication
Speaker 1: during game day, especially when it's not working out. Yea.
Speaker 1: So hopefully the communication between this two and just a
Speaker 1: different kind of respect. You know, when you're trying to
Speaker 1: gain somebody's respect that you haven't worked with before, you
Speaker 1: tend up to try harder. You know, when you're meeting
Speaker 1: someone for the first time and trying to kind of
Speaker 1: impress each other in a way, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: So hopefully the change is good. I'm amused by the
Speaker 1: wild extremes that we've seen from this team over the
Speaker 1: last few years. Like going back, like twenty fifteen, they
Speaker 1: led to Marco Murray go and it was like any
Speaker 1: back can run behind this line. They course corrected real
Speaker 1: quick by spending a top five pick on a running
Speaker 1: back twenty seven or eighteen whatever. It was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we don't need a wide receiver. We're gonna be Ba,
Speaker 1: let me Dak friendly. We're gonna handle this thing that
Speaker 1: went out the window real quick, and they sent a
Speaker 1: first round pick for Amari Cooper. Last year, it was like,
Speaker 1: we need some new blood in here, we need fresh
Speaker 1: ideas and young coaches, and now it looks like they're
Speaker 1: about to hire just I mean, you're not allowed on
Speaker 1: this staff unless you've had thirty years of NFL experience.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, John Fassell is the rumor, and
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula and Mike Nolan, like we're talking guys
Speaker 1: that have been coaching the league since the eighties, Like
Speaker 1: Jerry's like enough of this learning on the job crap.
Speaker 1: We want guys that have been through the battles. So
Speaker 1: I just think it's you know, they kind of veer
Speaker 1: from one extreme to the other based on the last result,
Speaker 1: which is interesting to watch. Let's walk through some of
Speaker 1: these names. Before I do that, I want to let
Speaker 1: you guys know we will be taking calls here later
Speaker 1: in this segment and also through the remainder of the show.
Speaker 1: So if you get guys get want to call us,
Speaker 1: tell us what you think of the new coaching hire,
Speaker 1: new coaching staff. Reportedly, you can call us eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two nine seven again eight
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five five, two, two, nine seven, and
Speaker 1: we'll take your calls that way. So let's walk through
Speaker 1: these right now. Reportedly, Mike Nolan's going to be the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. He would be replacing kind of this hybrid
Speaker 1: between Rod Marinelli Chris Richard. Do you think that's an upgrade?
Speaker 1: Do you think that's about the same or are you
Speaker 1: just like, hey, we just have to wait and see
Speaker 1: on this one. Nolan. I mean, you'd like to think
Speaker 1: it's going to be an upgrade. I mean, it'll be
Speaker 1: hard to tell. I mean, I do like what he's
Speaker 1: done in the past with you know, with those teams
Speaker 1: that he's had forty nine ers and you know, the
Speaker 1: Saints had had a good year with their linebackers. But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm intrigued about is he's run some
Speaker 1: three four right, so he's also runs, He's running He's
Speaker 1: done both. Yeah, you know, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know if this team right now is ready for that
Speaker 1: for that transition, but you could. It'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see in the draft if they kind of go that
Speaker 1: route and and and maybe try to eventually get to
Speaker 1: a three four defense. I think that would surprise me because,
Speaker 1: like I mean, I you know, even in spite of
Speaker 1: an eight and eighth season, Like, I think this team
Speaker 1: is built to win now, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: at least a little bit of a transition. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about it on Monday, is like, they don't
Speaker 1: have three four ends. They don't really have any edge rushers.
Speaker 1: What do they not? Though I don't think so they have.
Speaker 1: I think I think I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys that they use in the middle, Um Covington being
Speaker 1: one of them free agent. I get that. I'm well,
Speaker 1: most of these guys are free agent. So we're talking
Speaker 1: about basically from a standpoint, you got to replace those
Speaker 1: guys anyway. So if you want to get a guy
Speaker 1: that he thinks better fit, great, But if you brought
Speaker 1: back the same guy, I think Covin too could play
Speaker 1: three four end. I think I actually think that Mallie
Speaker 1: Collins play three four I think they still have the
Speaker 1: same problem, which is the problem they've had for a
Speaker 1: long time. They don't have that big space eating guy
Speaker 1: in the middle. But guess what you'd have to get
Speaker 1: him anyway? I think would probably be that guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: is he The question would be would he be able
Speaker 1: to hold up in that in that kind of role.
Speaker 1: I don't held up Jay Ratliffe was a different kind
Speaker 1: of dude. True Ron's whole thing. What would you do
Speaker 1: with d Law? I actually think d Law would be
Speaker 1: a better stand up outside linebacker. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw the transformation that Greg Ellis made
Speaker 1: when he went from being a four three defensive end
Speaker 1: for all of his career to being a stand up
Speaker 1: outside lineback. He was a way better pass rusher on
Speaker 1: the outside as an outside linebacker into three four than
Speaker 1: he ever was as a four three defensive end. I
Speaker 1: think that it gets and you see it all the
Speaker 1: time when teams make that transition or players get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to make that transition. If they have the right
Speaker 1: body type, which DeMarcus Lawrence does, they become just unable
Speaker 1: to block in a lot of instances because of how
Speaker 1: they're able to get far on the outside and make
Speaker 1: that get up feel like. I think it would be
Speaker 1: a great move for didn't mean to take us down
Speaker 1: this road. My point. I don't see it happening right away,
Speaker 1: at least I don't. I think they'll stick with what
Speaker 1: they're built to do and for the time being, but Anyway,
Speaker 1: the fun thing about a guy like Mike Nolan is
Speaker 1: that when you've been in the league that long, you've
Speaker 1: coached a lot of good defense and you've had some
Speaker 1: really bad defenses, like you can point to like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is so terrible, or oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's so good because he's been I mean, I think
Speaker 1: his first NFL job was in nineteen eighty seven, just
Speaker 1: before I was born, so he's done a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. I mean, if I'm looking for something to
Speaker 1: feel optimistic about, it's that he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: experience coaching linebackers, and the Cowboys defense will probably be
Speaker 1: as good as their two young linebackers are. Like that's
Speaker 1: that they're like they're gonna go the way of Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith and Laton vander Esh the Saints linebackers were really
Speaker 1: I mean, de Mario Davis has been a revelation for them.
Speaker 1: You would think Mike Nolan's had a hand in that,
Speaker 1: so that it's encouraging. If he can get the most
Speaker 1: out of Layton and Jalen, I think that could be
Speaker 1: really good for them. But I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: that it's like a clear cut, just massive upgrade, right,
Speaker 1: So let's think about as Rod Marinelli is not like
Speaker 1: Chop Liver. He's a good coach, so I don't know
Speaker 1: that they necessarily upgrade. The question is if a new
Speaker 1: voice and maybe new schemes, maybe trying some different things
Speaker 1: may make get the best out of these players. Where
Speaker 1: Rod was very said in his ways of what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do, maybe they just need to change up
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. If he can get the most
Speaker 1: out of the linebackers and coach them into getting more takeaways,
Speaker 1: I'm in if that's all I ask. All right, let's
Speaker 1: talk about John fossil Special Teams. He's reportedly going to
Speaker 1: be the new Special teams coach. He would be replacing
Speaker 1: Keith Olquinn, which obviously they've had lots of issues this year.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think now that I mean it
Speaker 1: speaks a lot to how bad the Special teams were.
Speaker 1: That like people are jumping for joy over a Special
Speaker 1: Teams coordinator higher, but I think they probably should because
Speaker 1: we with this story together last night, Nick that he
Speaker 1: you know, he's reportedly going to be the higher Yeah,
Speaker 1: he hasn't. His units haven't been worse than like twelfth
Speaker 1: in the league in his time in LA or he's
Speaker 1: done some uh you know, top ten perennially. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, if Chris Jones is back,
Speaker 1: I mean, he better get his arm ready. Yeah. Hey, honestly,
Speaker 1: this guy will fake punt. Now, we saw it. Does
Speaker 1: it all the time? The Rams game that they played,
Speaker 1: he didn't they throw a fake punt against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Remember it was the play where they threw it and
Speaker 1: caught it and they called it a fumble, but then
Speaker 1: they came back and said it was a catch. That
Speaker 1: was a fake punt from the Rams um. So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you with him, somebody on Twitter have to
Speaker 1: be leary of that. He They will do a fake
Speaker 1: punt like almost once every three games, we'll get a
Speaker 1: punter that can throw. I forgot about this, but he
Speaker 1: actually going back when the Rams were in Saint Louis,
Speaker 1: he did a fake where they had the whole punt team,
Speaker 1: oh man, fake the ball to the right side like
Speaker 1: it was Tavon Austin. It was Avon Austin fake feel
Speaker 1: that because the coverage team doesn't actually look where the
Speaker 1: ball's going. Have you seen this play? He it was
Speaker 1: the coolest thing. It was like six years ago. It's
Speaker 1: on Twitter, you can go find it. But Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: misdirected the whole coverage team all the way. Step and
Speaker 1: Bailey caught it on the right side. But the way
Speaker 1: they ran the coverage tricked the holes and they thought
Speaker 1: it was all in and Stem and Bailey just ran
Speaker 1: in a straight line. Oh yeah, untouched, which and that
Speaker 1: I mean that fakes are fakes are one thing. Like
Speaker 1: I don't care about that though. I care about the
Speaker 1: fact that they've been top ten in all coverage metrics
Speaker 1: for like a decade. Uh, their their specialist trios in
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl every year, Hecker zerline, even their long
Speaker 1: snappers made it to the Pro Bowl. Like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like special teams are gonna be a problem if
Speaker 1: if this guy's the coordinator, and that's exciting. Once again,
Speaker 1: just give me experience, is the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted some experience. The thing about special teams, coach,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before, you've got to be
Speaker 1: aggressive when you're in the room talking about players. You've
Speaker 1: got to be able to get players. You've got to
Speaker 1: be able to stand on the table and say, this
Speaker 1: guy that just got cut by the Patriots or whoever,
Speaker 1: or by the jet this guy is who we need
Speaker 1: as our linebacker. And part of that is having the
Speaker 1: respect of the people in the room to where they
Speaker 1: will listen and take those actions into him that right,
Speaker 1: you know, right, mia culpa Like I you know, I
Speaker 1: guess I learned something about football over the years, because
Speaker 1: when rich Bisaccio was here, I used to always be like,
Speaker 1: how many how many special teamers do you need? Like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't they go after players that can contribute on often?
Speaker 1: You know, James Hannah, Kyle Wilber, Jeff Heath. For a time,
Speaker 1: like Keith Smith, I was like, this guy must have
Speaker 1: so much sway that all these guys that don't help
Speaker 1: the offense or the defense are on the team. But
Speaker 1: you know what, their special teams were really good more
Speaker 1: often than not. Yep, yep. And that's also about just
Speaker 1: having having the respect of everybody in room enough to
Speaker 1: where when you say that, they're like, we might not
Speaker 1: want to, but we need to give him the special
Speaker 1: teams player, right, And that's about experience. His experience will
Speaker 1: probably help with that of all of I'm I'm excited
Speaker 1: that Kellen is coming back. If he is coming back.
Speaker 1: But of all of the news that I've heard, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: Fassil being the special team's coordinator is the most noteworthy
Speaker 1: to me because that's how bad the special teams were
Speaker 1: for this team last year. All right, let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: He related to he's Jim's son, and Jim former the
Speaker 1: former coach of the former Giants coach. You're probably the
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli's son in law is the defensive coordinator. It's
Speaker 1: the former Giants coach. That's yeah, that's his son's the son. Yeah, fossil.
Speaker 1: He keep saying, fast, fassil, fossil, I don't potato to whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. I just yeah, they do, they do.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, let's talk about it would have been funnier,
Speaker 1: but let's just stop. Let's let's just move on. Jim
Speaker 1: tom Sula defensive line again, Rod Marinelli's responsibility before What
Speaker 1: do you guys think there? That is another I'm I'm intrigued,
Speaker 1: slash excited by that he's coached. He kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of ed Orgeron honestly, is like, he's no, I'm serious,
Speaker 1: I'm so serious. Like he is not you know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't wow you, and like he's not impressive. You're like,
Speaker 1: this guy's a coach. Like he looks you know, it's
Speaker 1: got taken him to dinner with sponsor. He looks like that.
Speaker 1: He looks like the plumber. But he's coached a lot
Speaker 1: of good d line in his day, Like he knows,
Speaker 1: he knows more about it than anybody else could hope
Speaker 1: to And and he's had results. He's coached a lot
Speaker 1: of great players. Uh. And I mean everybody's loving on
Speaker 1: ed Orgeron right now because he's gonna play for the
Speaker 1: national title. But before this season he was hired, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of people like yeah, and and I
Speaker 1: think Tom Seula is kind of similar. He had his
Speaker 1: shot as a head coach and it didn't work out
Speaker 1: very well. But yeah, he seems really like like like
Speaker 1: rough and yeah, scruffy. He just doesn't seem like he's
Speaker 1: gonna wear a hot boys change. He just wants to
Speaker 1: like hang out with pass rushers. Are you sure about
Speaker 1: that though? He? I think he just wants to like
Speaker 1: talk about hand placement technique and and old muscle cars.
Speaker 1: I feel like those are probably his only interests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just football. That's like, yeah, And I love coaches like that.
Speaker 1: There's a mess. They're the ones that get the most
Speaker 1: out of their players, you know. When I'm excited about today.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's gonna go into detail
Speaker 1: on players and all that, but I'll remember two thousand
Speaker 1: and three when Lozelle Adams was at this point in
Speaker 1: his career has been a five year lineman and he
Speaker 1: was not He was a second round pick, but he
Speaker 1: was not anyone that was you know, he had anyone excited.
Speaker 1: They called him a bust. He had fall start penalties,
Speaker 1: and he was going to be a free agent, and
Speaker 1: everyone just said he's gone. And Parcels comes in in
Speaker 1: this first press conference and he says, well, one of
Speaker 1: the first things we need to do is we need
Speaker 1: to go get locked up. Flozell Adams is one of
Speaker 1: the best left tackles in football. And everybody's like what
Speaker 1: he's like, Oh, this guy is unbelievable. You just gotta
Speaker 1: get you know. And he made five straight Pro Bowls
Speaker 1: and he's one of the best players in Cowboys history.
Speaker 1: So who's mccarthur gonna say. I wonder, yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: about that. With tom Sewell, I wonder if he comes
Speaker 1: in and you know, did it and Byron Jones and
Speaker 1: then says, you know, Millie Collins, I mean what we're
Speaker 1: doing here? Was he signed yet or something? He just
Speaker 1: needs to be doing something different. That's that's what the coaches.
Speaker 1: He said, I got some for him. I know how
Speaker 1: to use. And there's a lot of players out there,
Speaker 1: and that's why they have holdovers. That's why Kellen's here,
Speaker 1: That's why leon Lett might beer. That's why you have
Speaker 1: holdovers because you don't just come in and say this
Speaker 1: guy's good. You know, I keep saying, but let's say
Speaker 1: Rico gathers with here, he'd be like, look at him,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get him played. And then that's when another
Speaker 1: coach has been here was like, well let's talk, let
Speaker 1: me talk about that. Yeah, let's talk. But but that's
Speaker 1: why these that's not the only reason Kellen's here. Is
Speaker 1: not the only reason you'll have holdovers, but it's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons. Is you want to just kind of
Speaker 1: get a good feel for what happened last year. What
Speaker 1: did y'all you know, what we're all doing before we
Speaker 1: go to break. I do want to jump on a call.
Speaker 1: We got a call from Portugal, John out of John
Speaker 1: What up? Oh Hello, how are you guys doing great? Yay?
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna talk about Jim fosswell, so, um, no,
Speaker 1: never mind. No, But basically, if you have to win
Speaker 1: two out of the three phases, did Dallas actually win
Speaker 1: the special teams phase in any game last year? No? No, exactly,
Speaker 1: And so you know, yeah, their offense one a phase
Speaker 1: one week, and their defense want to phase one week.
Speaker 1: But there their special teams never want to phase. Wow,
Speaker 1: So you know, win Special Teams player of the Week
Speaker 1: one week. I don't know true for kicking sixty two
Speaker 1: yards or whatever. But the whole thing is that now
Speaker 1: they got a chance of winning Special teams every week.
Speaker 1: So that gives them one phase and now the other
Speaker 1: two teams. You know, you're never gonna win all three
Speaker 1: phases except for you know when you win fifty right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's not often in the NFL. So you know,
Speaker 1: now they have a shot at two out of the
Speaker 1: three phases. I think it's a huge higher. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great point. Again, it gets to the heart
Speaker 1: of what I thought was the biggest challenge for this
Speaker 1: coaching staff, not necessarily the team overall, but just for
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Last year was that they just didn't
Speaker 1: have the amount of experience that I wanted them to
Speaker 1: have as a staff. And I think this year, like
Speaker 1: you were saying, you look the number of years these
Speaker 1: guys have been doing it. I mean it is a mints.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of experience, and they have a
Speaker 1: lot of experience doing really great work. I just like that, Jason. Sorry, Nick,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett knows too much about football to like not
Speaker 1: think special teams is important. But it's hard not to
Speaker 1: get that impression from the way last year went. Even
Speaker 1: like it's almost like he liked Brett Maher so much
Speaker 1: because it took the pressure off him to decide what
Speaker 1: to do. He's like, well, I mean he can kick
Speaker 1: sixty two yards, so we can do that instead of
Speaker 1: like having to make a tougher decision. You know. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: this guy can hit from sixty two. It makes my
Speaker 1: job easier. Just send him out there, which, like I said,
Speaker 1: like he knows too much about football for that to
Speaker 1: be the case, But that's how it seemed, and it's
Speaker 1: exciting to think that they could have that element of
Speaker 1: special teams where it's like a game within a game.
Speaker 1: Like you, it's they call it hidden yardage. You can
Speaker 1: win games that way. If he can. If he can
Speaker 1: do that and really teach these guys, then that's that's
Speaker 1: going to be a very valuable commodity to have. But
Speaker 1: what I worry about is when you talk about the
Speaker 1: talent on this team, is a team like this structured
Speaker 1: well enough to be good on special teams? Because you
Speaker 1: think about it, they're about to have the highest paid,
Speaker 1: one of the highest paid quarterbacks in NFL, and receivers
Speaker 1: as well. They have one of the highest paid running backs,
Speaker 1: left tackle, left or right guard, center, defensive end, inside linebacker,
Speaker 1: maybe cornerback. They're very, very, very top heavy. We know that.
Speaker 1: That's why everyone calls them talented, because they do have
Speaker 1: all these talented players. But when you have your top heavy,
Speaker 1: it means it's got to balance out somehow, and it
Speaker 1: balances out at the bottom of the roster and the
Speaker 1: bottom of the roster of the guys that will be
Speaker 1: playing special teams. So if you don't have this great
Speaker 1: teacher that can teach these guys every year, then that's
Speaker 1: going to be a problem. And I think that the
Speaker 1: way this team is structured, there's a hole there. And
Speaker 1: look at the look at the Patriots. The Patriots are
Speaker 1: great on special teams, but they don't have top end
Speaker 1: players other than the quarterback. And he's not even paying
Speaker 1: that that well, they don't have those top end players
Speaker 1: like that, so they're they're structured differently. I will say, though.
Speaker 1: The Rams are pretty top heavy. Yeah they aren't. Mean
Speaker 1: the Rams are paying Donald, they're paying golf, they're paying girly.
Speaker 1: Why isn't he coming back? They were I don't know
Speaker 1: this Peters and talib On. I mean, he might be
Speaker 1: out of contrast. Maybe I don't tell them. I don't
Speaker 1: And honestly, were they that good on special teams last year?
Speaker 1: I don't have divers in front. I just know the
Speaker 1: I mean he was there from twenty twelve and the
Speaker 1: resume over time, Yeah, was consistently good. He's got you know,
Speaker 1: people know that he's he's a guy that's very aggressive.
Speaker 1: And we talked about those fake punts and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: like they will do some some different out of the
Speaker 1: box thinking stuff and that's what I like it. Just
Speaker 1: like Cowys were just too conservative when he came to
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of hesitation just when you
Speaker 1: watch them playing on Special Teams. It was like the
Speaker 1: the want as if the want wasn't there, like the
Speaker 1: desire to actually go out and make the play. It
Speaker 1: was more like kind of scare like hesitation a lot
Speaker 1: of the times. But when you when you apply the
Speaker 1: whole creativity aspect of things, it allows you to create
Speaker 1: more opportunities for your players to be able to do
Speaker 1: something rather than stand there and figure out, oh, oh crap,
Speaker 1: where do I go? What do I do? Now? You
Speaker 1: know that's nice and I want to see more creativity,
Speaker 1: but more importantly for this Special Teams, I just want
Speaker 1: to get the basic things right. There were so many
Speaker 1: times last year that guys didn't stand in the right lane,
Speaker 1: glides didn't block the right guy, Guys didn't make the
Speaker 1: right decision when it was on whether you fair catch
Speaker 1: or whether you should return it. Like. It's those kinds
Speaker 1: of situations where I need them to be coached up
Speaker 1: better and the players take accountability for doing the right
Speaker 1: things when they're supposed to do the right things. And
Speaker 1: I think if you can get the blocking and tackling
Speaker 1: no pun intended done well for that Special Teams I
Speaker 1: think that goes a long way. And then if you
Speaker 1: add some creativity, great, But they got to get more
Speaker 1: consistent with doing the base sick things a special teams
Speaker 1: needs to do. All right, we're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. Let's get some more calls. Eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two nine seven again eight
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five five two two nine seven will
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Speaker 1: of The Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: At the start, We're gonna take some questions throughout the
Speaker 1: remainder of the show. Eight eight eight eight five five
Speaker 1: two two ninety seven is our number for you have
Speaker 1: a question or if you shot a comment about this
Speaker 1: new coaching staff. We'd love to hear from you guys
Speaker 1: and kind of toss those things around. We'll take a
Speaker 1: call right now from Tim and wait for us. Tim,
Speaker 1: what up? Hey, what's up? Fails? How are you doing? Hey?
Speaker 1: Good are you? I'm doing well. I'm a long time
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans for the seventies and I've seen us win
Speaker 1: with Tom Landry. I've seen us win with Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1: It's just almost twenty years. Everyone knows, no secret. We
Speaker 1: haven't won anything, and we'll just on the edge, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of up telling them what I heard
Speaker 1: David Hellman say early about the team not knowing what
Speaker 1: they want to do or they fried everything from going
Speaker 1: with no running back to anybody came behind the line
Speaker 1: or two wide receivers, but is a by committee and
Speaker 1: then they're trying this new coaching scheme, and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you I was gonna be one of those fans to
Speaker 1: bail ship. I wanted to jump off. It's like, look,
Speaker 1: I just got man Cave and my base man. I
Speaker 1: was ready to have my Cowboys stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? No championship? So all I have
Speaker 1: to say is that I want to say what Dovetail
Speaker 1: or what David Hemmon was saying. He was like, they're
Speaker 1: trying everything, and I wonder we all know that um
Speaker 1: uh Jerry Jones is running everything and was upset with
Speaker 1: him for not having us a championship. But I have
Speaker 1: to backtrack on that and say, man, look this cat
Speaker 1: has done everything possible. He wants to win. He has
Speaker 1: done everything possible to try to bring us a championship.
Speaker 1: And I just love what he's doing with this new
Speaker 1: coaching staff and allowing ummister McCarthy to come in and
Speaker 1: do his own thing to get his coaching staff together.
Speaker 1: So he's talking me off the lad secondly, and I
Speaker 1: let you. Secondly, I just want to her to just
Speaker 1: hit this part too. We always talk about the triplets
Speaker 1: and this, and we payed a lot of money for
Speaker 1: DeMarco and Romo and now we got our offense paying
Speaker 1: out of money. When are we going to bring back Doomsday?
Speaker 1: I mean, not just one guy. I mean the key
Speaker 1: to me to them Super Bowls has been the defense.
Speaker 1: You guys know we had the number one defense in
Speaker 1: ninety two, not one made of Pro Bowl. So when
Speaker 1: are we going? When is that going to be the focus?
Speaker 1: And put some guys it's not getting burned, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But thanks for your time. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: I'm like, go go go score Cowboys. Appreciate the time, fellas.
Speaker 1: Thank all you do. I listen you all the time.
Speaker 1: It's probably my second time calling in, so keep doing
Speaker 1: the keep the good work. Thank you, appreciate it. Sam,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for the call. Let's dive into that.
Speaker 1: One of the things that he said that I thought
Speaker 1: was really interesting, he said, letting Mike McCarthy pull together
Speaker 1: his staff. It certainly seems like in this instance, Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is having a very large say, if not completely,
Speaker 1: designing his staff as he chooses it to be, which
Speaker 1: is one of the things I've always thought the head
Speaker 1: coach should be allowed to do, and it hasn't always
Speaker 1: worked out like that. What do you guys think about
Speaker 1: that dynamic. I think that it happens way more than
Speaker 1: you think. I mean here, I mean everyone goes back
Speaker 1: to the fact that Jason Garrett was hired before the
Speaker 1: head coach. I mean, that's what Jerry Jones thought was
Speaker 1: going to be a you know, a good young coach,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was a good young coach. It
Speaker 1: just got to the point where he wasn't as great
Speaker 1: and they needed him to be great. Fans like tim
Speaker 1: they need that and rightfully, so that's what they expect.
Speaker 1: But I don't I think for the most part, Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett got to hire who he wanted to hire. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just a timing situation. And then here's a
Speaker 1: guy and then he brought him in. And do we
Speaker 1: know that Mike McCarthy got to hire Kellen Moore. I
Speaker 1: mean it might have been part of the deal. Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore's on staff. Yeah he made that comment, but that
Speaker 1: might have been Jerry's he's here, we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's the flip of that, maybe as a
Speaker 1: part of the interview process. Maybe it's just kind of understood, well,
Speaker 1: if you're going to take the job here, some stuff
Speaker 1: that comes with the job. Oh I love that guy. Great,
Speaker 1: let's go. You know, so you just never know how
Speaker 1: that goes. I just think that the fact that there
Speaker 1: are all these other guys that we mentioned today, who
Speaker 1: are these longtime guys who in some instances have relations
Speaker 1: that you can tie back to McCarthy, it seems as
Speaker 1: though at least he has a heavy input into what's
Speaker 1: what's being done whatever, whatever, whether it's Kellen Moore or
Speaker 1: somebody else, like whatever was in place, it wasn't enough
Speaker 1: that McCarthy said no, and he could have. I mean,
Speaker 1: and like this, I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: think Dallas Cowboys are great. I'm not sure like Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's impressed by like I can't turn down the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: like he coached the Green Bay Packers for fourteen years,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, I don't think he's impressed by like
Speaker 1: the magnitude of this flagship franchise. I think he wants
Speaker 1: to win, obviously, and he wants a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: But if Jerry Jones had put these crazy stipulations on
Speaker 1: the higher he'd been like, okay, I'll okay, I'll coach Carolina.
Speaker 1: I don't care, like I'll just I'll get a job.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. So I think that it
Speaker 1: must not have been this drastic deal, Like, yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: I love Kellen Moore, been watching them all year, I
Speaker 1: don't care if he's on the staff, and so I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's that big of a deal. Um. Really,
Speaker 1: my main impression from listening to him is I really
Speaker 1: I don't have a grudge with Jason Garrett, but that
Speaker 1: call is like why it needed to happen. Like me selfishly,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, finally we can we can cover the
Speaker 1: team and give feedback and input on the team and
Speaker 1: the response won't be sarcastic, Like I think people are
Speaker 1: just ready for something new. They're ready to believe that
Speaker 1: things can change, and that wasn't going to happen if
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett had come back. So it's it's nice to
Speaker 1: hear people sound enthusiastic about the future instead of sarcastic.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it is, and we all
Speaker 1: have our own, like our own teams that we root
Speaker 1: for outside of the Cowboys for our own personal reasons, right,
Speaker 1: And the one thing that you never want to be
Speaker 1: You never want to find yourself in a situation where
Speaker 1: you really have no comeback to your friends who are
Speaker 1: giving you, who are talking to you about your team
Speaker 1: giving you the business. Yeah, you don't want to be
Speaker 1: in it. And that's what I think a lot of
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans were getting to is they had no more comebacks.
Speaker 1: Like it was like we we literally I have no
Speaker 1: hope right now. You know, if fans want to have hope,
Speaker 1: they want to be able to every year when you
Speaker 1: go to training camp. Fans want to have hope. This
Speaker 1: year is going to be our year. And I think
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans are getting the point where they just didn't
Speaker 1: have any hope, and that's the part we have to work.
Speaker 1: I know we kind of argued about that down the
Speaker 1: final stretch of the season, Like I really do believe
Speaker 1: if Jason Garrett had come back in twenty twenty, we
Speaker 1: would have lost a decent number of fans, maybe not forever,
Speaker 1: but until until he was gone at least tuned out
Speaker 1: and saying I'm just like yeah, like maybe they watched
Speaker 1: on Sunday, but like they're not going to listen to
Speaker 1: this show five days a week or you know, interact
Speaker 1: with us all that type. I really think it would
Speaker 1: have affected the team or the you know, the fan
Speaker 1: base whatever. All right, let's take a call from Tom
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Tom, what up? Yeah, Hi, guys, good show.
Speaker 1: Seems like overall this year our health is pretty good
Speaker 1: on the team. And I was just wondering when they
Speaker 1: changed coaches, does he bring in his own strength and
Speaker 1: conditioning coaches and are in trainers or does it they
Speaker 1: remain the ones who had last year. All Right, that's
Speaker 1: a really good question. I mean, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: tough to to know that answer. I will say from
Speaker 1: the athletic trainers, they have been here since um, you know,
Speaker 1: back in the days of Jimmy and even some of
Speaker 1: them were um with Landry I believe as interns. So
Speaker 1: they've been around a while and they haven't changed those guys. Um,
Speaker 1: strength coaches can be a little bit different, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, some of those guys have have stayed
Speaker 1: on to different staffs. I know with Parcels, he tried
Speaker 1: to make a change with the with the coach that
Speaker 1: was here, but then he ended up keeping them. So, um,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of turnover there. But but
Speaker 1: I think if he if he's got a guy that
Speaker 1: he really really likes, yeah he I mean, he could
Speaker 1: definitely do that. And I mean, I say it's a
Speaker 1: good question because like that stuff is a affected by
Speaker 1: every coaching hire, and you know, those aren't guys that
Speaker 1: are making gaudy salaries either. So it's something to keep
Speaker 1: in mind. And I don't get the impression that there's
Speaker 1: gonna be wide sweeping changes, but I think I mean,
Speaker 1: a couple people here and there could come and go.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Wois, it comes to mind. He's I
Speaker 1: mean he's been coaching the NFL for how many years? Yeah? Ever,
Speaker 1: and I mean at some point you would think he's
Speaker 1: going to retire. Maybe that could be something that happens
Speaker 1: because of this. I'm not sure, But I don't get
Speaker 1: the impression that there's going to be like these sweeping
Speaker 1: staff changes. So it is something to watch though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think one thing to note too is and and
Speaker 1: this Jerry has told set this publicly many times and
Speaker 1: we've seen it. We saw a play out last week.
Speaker 1: Jerry is a loyal guy. So when it comes down
Speaker 1: to it, you talk about those guys that have been
Speaker 1: there for a very, very long time. Yeah, some of
Speaker 1: that matters. It matters because Jerry is a loyal guy,
Speaker 1: and Jerry feels like if you're loyal to him, he'll
Speaker 1: be loyal to you. And so for some of those guys,
Speaker 1: I suspect that, you know, there may be some changes
Speaker 1: that that the new head coach can make, but I
Speaker 1: think there's some guys that are probably gonna come with
Speaker 1: the dinner, you know, think about this. Bill Parcels came
Speaker 1: in in two thousand and three and he made a
Speaker 1: huge change to the UM training room. Okay, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't change a player. He just turned the air
Speaker 1: conditioner down to fifty nine degrees and it literally he
Speaker 1: was like, get out of the training room. No food
Speaker 1: in here. This isn't a place where you come and
Speaker 1: hide from the media. You sit, sit down here. If
Speaker 1: you hurt, get your ankle tape, get some treatment, do
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do. It's gonna be freezing cold
Speaker 1: in here. You don't want to be in here. You
Speaker 1: want to get out of here. I don't want people
Speaker 1: to hurt in here running around. That was a huge change.
Speaker 1: Didn't change one guy. So you can make a big
Speaker 1: change without making some of those That makes me feel
Speaker 1: bad for the training staff in the snuggies on, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I bet it accomplished the purpose.
Speaker 1: I meant, guys were not hanging out in the training
Speaker 1: room anymore. Yeah, all right, let's take a call from
Speaker 1: Robin las Vegas. Rob, what up? Hey guys? Hey Robin.
Speaker 1: I think this is a really good high I think
Speaker 1: it's everything we needed in the sense of, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy coming in with respect and a ring matters.
Speaker 1: Because it's been about fourteen years or so, I don't
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many years the way Phillips never
Speaker 1: really won anything as a head coach, and obviously Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett never did, so I just think him coming in
Speaker 1: and plus the team that seemed like always stood it
Speaker 1: all way to get to the next step was Green Bay.
Speaker 1: So these players look at it like, Wow, this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, he's always eating us. And I know Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers was a huge part of that, but you got
Speaker 1: to give this guy credit for that. I think we
Speaker 1: don't always agree on Jason Garrett. I don't think Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett was horrible. I think he was good. But the
Speaker 1: one thing we kind of agree on is he wasn't
Speaker 1: a very good game day coach. He was just so
Speaker 1: many times where we look like white white he hunting
Speaker 1: now when he would go for it then and I
Speaker 1: and I just think McCarthy will be better on the
Speaker 1: during the game. I just think you'll just be a
Speaker 1: better game day coach. And I just think he brings
Speaker 1: a little tougher I don't know, attitude, And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's a screamer or anything like that. I just
Speaker 1: think what I watched that interview with Peter King was
Speaker 1: really interesting. I never really paid attention to Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: but the more I'm watching it, the one thing I
Speaker 1: came to this guy's hungry. This guy wants to prove
Speaker 1: everybody that you know what you're firing me if that
Speaker 1: thirteen years is going to be a mistake. And and
Speaker 1: I could see this, this guy's hungry, I mean to
Speaker 1: do what he did the McCarthy papers or whatever. That's
Speaker 1: when the guys would would do that. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a really good higher And I like the fact
Speaker 1: that he's gonna call the plays all right, oh alva,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. One of the things he talked about, I
Speaker 1: did want to talk about it real quick. As the
Speaker 1: analytics part obviously that you know, it's been well documented
Speaker 1: that he kind of put a team together of some
Speaker 1: coaches and they would meet as a staff, and they
Speaker 1: would kind of treat it like they were another To
Speaker 1: go to the point you ask about what he's been
Speaker 1: doing for last year, and I think it's more impressive
Speaker 1: than even the twelve or thirteen years in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is we talk so much about
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and just coaching staff with a little bit
Speaker 1: of arrogance of we do it our way, we do
Speaker 1: it this way, this is the way we do it,
Speaker 1: and a lot of coaches are that way. It's not
Speaker 1: just Jason Garrett. You gotta get set in your ways
Speaker 1: to be able if this really happened like this, and
Speaker 1: I think it did, to be able to step back
Speaker 1: and say, all right, let's do some things different. Let's
Speaker 1: let's take a different approach here, let's let's look at
Speaker 1: different ways to do things. And you know, this guy's
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, but he's still taking the time,
Speaker 1: like the caller said to say, I'm going to see
Speaker 1: if there's a different way to do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get another shot. When I get another shot, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be even more prepared than I was before. I think
Speaker 1: that is very impressive. And so we've talked about what's
Speaker 1: Garrett gonna do. Is he gonna take us do the
Speaker 1: same thing. I don't know. You gotta be in a
Speaker 1: way not so set and do what we do and
Speaker 1: say I need to do what works. And I think
Speaker 1: that's something. You know, it's still early here, but I
Speaker 1: think if if he's willing to do that, it goes
Speaker 1: a lot. It's hard to change people that are older
Speaker 1: and set in their ways. I mean, I'm stubborn to
Speaker 1: we do what we do. So for him to make
Speaker 1: a change, if that really happened, I think it's impressive.
Speaker 1: I do too, But I want to I want to
Speaker 1: actually see what that means. I mean, and even even
Speaker 1: in the even you know, the interviews and basically felt
Speaker 1: like a pr campaign honestly, and good on him, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's awesome, But what does that actually mean? Does
Speaker 1: it mean you're going to be more aggressive on fourth
Speaker 1: down and go for two? Does it mean you've got
Speaker 1: people given you probability input like John Harbaugh? Does it
Speaker 1: mean you know, does it mean more play action? Does
Speaker 1: it mean passing on early down. It's like, what exactly
Speaker 1: does that mean? Or are you just throw out the
Speaker 1: word analytics because you know it's popular with the football
Speaker 1: community right now. I think it's well more, way more
Speaker 1: thought out than that. I think I do to you
Speaker 1: when you listen to what he was saying in the article,
Speaker 1: he basically set up a whole his idea of what
Speaker 1: the entire team would look like. I want to say
Speaker 1: it was like six guys that would be a part
Speaker 1: of a video team, eight guys that would be a
Speaker 1: part of an analytics team, and their whole job together
Speaker 1: as one group, would be to understand how analytics play
Speaker 1: into football and make sure that the coaching staff and
Speaker 1: the players are put into position where they take advantage
Speaker 1: of all of those numbers and all that data to
Speaker 1: give them the best opportunity to win. That may be
Speaker 1: game stuff, that may be training stuff that maybe whatever
Speaker 1: it might be, they want their whole job. That's a
Speaker 1: fourteen person staff. Their whole job would be to figure
Speaker 1: out how data works in football and make sure that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be at the front end of using
Speaker 1: all that data to make the best decisions. My thought
Speaker 1: was always not you guys know from around the office
Speaker 1: it's probably to go. When I first saw the article
Speaker 1: and I sent it to you guys and ill that
Speaker 1: at that point, I was like, if they're gonna make
Speaker 1: a coaching change, just the guy. I want the reason why.
Speaker 1: It's not so much necessarily that he was doing the
Speaker 1: stuff run analytics or whatever. My thought was just you
Speaker 1: take any professional that's already good at what he does,
Speaker 1: which his resume says he's already a good coach. You
Speaker 1: give him a year and you say, go away from
Speaker 1: your profession and go figure out how to be better
Speaker 1: than what you were before. They're gonna come back a ton.
Speaker 1: I think better if you give me a year to
Speaker 1: go and just sit in isolation and figure out how
Speaker 1: I can be a better how I can do media better.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back with way more ideas, way smarter,
Speaker 1: way better to handle the job than I was when
Speaker 1: I left. And that to me was why I said
Speaker 1: this is a great higher and I figured he was
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that was gonna be highly
Speaker 1: sought after. I think he got more interviews than anybody
Speaker 1: that was on out there searching this offseason, and I
Speaker 1: think it's why he blew the Cowboys away from the
Speaker 1: moment he got there and first started talking, I think
Speaker 1: he blew him away. And it's very hard not to
Speaker 1: draw the pair of well of Andy Reid spending a
Speaker 1: year learning college spread concepts, going to Kansas City and
Speaker 1: they've basically been in the playoffs every year since. He
Speaker 1: hasn't had in seven seasons. He's only had one season
Speaker 1: of less than ten wins. That's a May Reid. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Andrey was a good coach while he
Speaker 1: was in Philly. His voice got it got stale there
Speaker 1: and it was time to move on. And he got
Speaker 1: to Kansas City and he is he's been killing it.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, you know, the priest homes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: why can't I think of the guy's name, the freaking
Speaker 1: Willie Rofe geez, Oh my god. Like those Chiefs of
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands, they were great, but it's like
Speaker 1: they were a laughing stock for a chunk there like that.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's one loss in twenty eleven was to a
Speaker 1: terrible Chiefs team, And it's I mean, but you don't
Speaker 1: think of him that they morenially they are. They have
Speaker 1: the success that the Cowboys covet so dearly where at
Speaker 1: I mean for seven years, you know they're going to
Speaker 1: be in the mix. And I mean even before Mahomes
Speaker 1: got there, they've been in the mix. So that's Rob.
Speaker 1: I hadn't even gotten that far. Rob said on our
Speaker 1: joint show on Monday. He was like, success for McCarthy
Speaker 1: would be being in the conversation every year for three,
Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven years, And that's like such
Speaker 1: a novel concept to the Cowboys over the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: that would be of course, of course, well but okaytion
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been in the conversation and make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: of course, But I mean but that honestly, yes, they
Speaker 1: need to get to a conference title game, they need
Speaker 1: to win a super Bowl. But what makes it so frustrating,
Speaker 1: what made the Garrett air is so frustrating, is that
Speaker 1: you never built on a good year ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: And that like even if they even if they don't
Speaker 1: get to a super Bowl in the first three years
Speaker 1: of McCarthy's tenure, if they're in the mix every single year,
Speaker 1: it would be an improvement on what they've had. I
Speaker 1: don't want to pile one on Garrett on just on
Speaker 1: that that's been the way it is for the last
Speaker 1: twenty hasn't had back to back success in right, it's
Speaker 1: been twenty in a while, and that's why I think
Speaker 1: gets just almost as important as winning a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: as just being a consistently nine, ten, eleven, twelve win franchise.
Speaker 1: All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We're back
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