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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January eight, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, Episode

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Speaker 1: number one ten. Welcome to another edition Off the Break.

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Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star and do we have a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about today. We've got to talk about all this coaching change.

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Speaker 1: It's been something that fans and even us at times

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Speaker 1: have talked about really for probably a year, maybe a

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Speaker 1: year and a half, maybe even two years, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But Cowboys do finally make a change. They move on

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Speaker 1: from Jason Garrett and they make the decision to hire

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I want to go back with you guys

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Speaker 1: to Saturday and Sunday when we started hearing the news

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Speaker 1: about Garrett, first of all, and then Sunday obviously no Monday,

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Speaker 1: when the news breaks about Mike McCarthy, and tell me

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Speaker 1: what your thoughts were as far as this higher for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. We'll start with you, Nick oh Man, about

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Speaker 1: freaking time really wasn't the thought because it didn't started

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Speaker 1: the weekend. It started the week before, and you know

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Speaker 1: you know, for it to finally happen with Garrett. My

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Speaker 1: of maybe what Jerry was trying to do. It was

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Speaker 1: hard to figure out what was happening here, but something

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Speaker 1: must have forced his hand. Maybe it was a great

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Speaker 1: I guess, like looking back on it now and we

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Speaker 1: but like me reading between the lines, I guess my

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Speaker 1: mean they feel like they did, like again me reading

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Speaker 1: between the lines, Jason Garrett's contract didn't run out till

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Speaker 1: January fourteenth. They did this week long thing where they

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Speaker 1: were nobody knew what they were doing, and then they

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Speaker 1: hired the one coach with a more extensive resume than

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. And to me, that reads as Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: if we're going to do it, then I need to

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Speaker 1: be absolutely sure that this is a more experienced, more

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Speaker 1: successful version of what I already have. I don't want

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Speaker 1: want to learning curve. I don't want any of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I want a guy that can step right in. And

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy fits that. Bill. I don't know how successful

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Speaker 1: he'll successful he'll be, but he fits that. Bill Camber, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, a while back I asked the question as

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Speaker 1: tell that it wasn't an easy decision, and I was

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Speaker 1: As far as McCarthy, I really don't know what to

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Speaker 1: that was not happening last week, Like it was very

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Speaker 1: And at the time my thought was, well, of course

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Speaker 1: you just start looking down this guy's resume. You're talking

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Speaker 1: that was really stupid. Mike McCarthy, I think Amber's reaction

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Speaker 1: you know that's always as your arguments. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: what is the thing that you expect would be better

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Speaker 1: We've talked about the head coach. Let's talk about Kelvin Moore.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like, based on reports that there is a

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Speaker 1: point to several different position coaches, and the offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: was a part of that. I think that the offensive coordinator,

432
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Speaker 1: Kelly Moore, I think he was good at his job.

433
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Speaker 1: I think the games where the Cowboys often struggled and

434
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Speaker 1: in moments in games where Cowboys often struggled. I think

435
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: were a result of his lack of experience, and I

436
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: don't think, my personal opinion, nobody's told me this. I

437
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: don't think the head coach last year was necessarily helping

438
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: him in those situations. Hey, my experience tells me maybe

439
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: we should try this. Hey let's do this, maybe we

440
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: should go to this. And so I think because of that,

441
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: what you saw was an inexperienced guy having to learn

442
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: the ropes basically without somebody giving him advice sound advice

443
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: during the game that might help him out of tough situations.

444
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Speaker 1: My expectation for this is if they bring Kellen Moore

445
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: back and let's say Kelly Kelly Moore is going to

446
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: call the plays. What I like about that is this

447
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: head coach has a vested interest in him succeeding, which

448
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: means that maybe he steps in and says, hey, at

449
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: this point. We saw this with Bill Parcels. He used

450
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Speaker 1: to do this. He talked about just because I'm not

451
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Speaker 1: calling the plays doesn't mean I don't influence plays. Right,

452
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Speaker 1: So if there's a situation in a game where hey, Kelln,

453
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Speaker 1: I know you might be thinking something here, but I

454
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: really think this is a point in the game where

455
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Speaker 1: we need to run the ball. I really think this

456
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Speaker 1: is a play. I see this, this opportunity over here

457
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: with with what one of the receivers doing down Phil,

458
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Speaker 1: Let's take a shot here, right. He's still calling the plays,

459
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: but there's somebody that's giving him advice as he's calling

460
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: the plays that might help him learn and be better

461
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: as he goes along because he doesn't know what he

462
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Speaker 1: doesn't know as an inexperienced guy. What do you guys

463
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Speaker 1: think of that? I don't think I mean that we

464
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Speaker 1: know that if Garrett was doing that or not doing that.

465
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Speaker 1: But I think that McCarthy's gonna have, you know, just

466
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: a good handle of the offense um, and you know

467
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna be where they've got to be on the

468
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: same page with Kellen Moore. He's got you know, once

469
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Speaker 1: you get to that point where you think, hey, he

470
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: knows what I'm what I'm thinking here, he he gets it,

471
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: and that'll just be a feel thing. I mean, that's

472
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Speaker 1: why you know, we might hate four preseason games, but

473
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Speaker 1: they won't. They'll love the four preseason games or five, um,

474
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Speaker 1: if they go to the Hall of Fame game, which

475
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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out I don't know that, and I

476
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: don't want to scare anybody, but I don't think. I

477
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's happening, But I'm just saying if

478
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Speaker 1: they have five, they'll probably love it. What you don't

479
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: want to go you don't want to go to Canton? No, sorry,

480
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: I've been there. They typically only do that when the

481
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Speaker 1: Cowboys person is up for enshrinement. Only one of the

482
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: most famous coaches might be getting Jimmy Johnson see A Finalists, Yeah, okay, cool,

483
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: he could get in there. I don't think the Cowboys

484
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: will be in that game, but I'm just saying I

485
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Speaker 1: think these the preseason games I think will be important

486
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: from that standpoint. Let's go to I think the preseason

487
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: games will be important for that because what will happen

488
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: is is they'll get a chance to see It doesn't

489
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: matter if you're playing Bengals or or whatever. You'll get

490
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: a chance to do that. Sometimes you got to talk

491
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: to whoever's listening. Yeah, Amber was listening. Now I was world,

492
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: But you did make You're like, I don't know if

493
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: if that's happened to Jason. What gives me that opinion

494
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: is we saw towards the end of the year that

495
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: Jason was very adamant at certain questions like well and

496
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: when he said like, oh, I don't want to be

497
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: in his ear during I'm like, you should be in

498
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: his ear. You should be having this kind of communication

499
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: during game day, especially when it's not working out. Yea.

500
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: So hopefully the communication between this two and just a

501
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: different kind of respect. You know, when you're trying to

502
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: gain somebody's respect that you haven't worked with before, you

503
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: tend up to try harder. You know, when you're meeting

504
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: someone for the first time and trying to kind of

505
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: impress each other in a way, you know what, you know,

506
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Speaker 1: So hopefully the change is good. I'm amused by the

507
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: wild extremes that we've seen from this team over the

508
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: last few years. Like going back, like twenty fifteen, they

509
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: led to Marco Murray go and it was like any

510
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: back can run behind this line. They course corrected real

511
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: quick by spending a top five pick on a running

512
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: back twenty seven or eighteen whatever. It was like, Oh,

513
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: we don't need a wide receiver. We're gonna be Ba,

514
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: let me Dak friendly. We're gonna handle this thing that

515
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: went out the window real quick, and they sent a

516
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: first round pick for Amari Cooper. Last year, it was like,

517
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: we need some new blood in here, we need fresh

518
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: ideas and young coaches, and now it looks like they're

519
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: about to hire just I mean, you're not allowed on

520
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: this staff unless you've had thirty years of NFL experience.

521
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, John Fassell is the rumor, and

522
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula and Mike Nolan, like we're talking guys

523
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: that have been coaching the league since the eighties, Like

524
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: Jerry's like enough of this learning on the job crap.

525
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: We want guys that have been through the battles. So

526
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: I just think it's you know, they kind of veer

527
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: from one extreme to the other based on the last result,

528
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: which is interesting to watch. Let's walk through some of

529
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Speaker 1: these names. Before I do that, I want to let

530
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Speaker 1: you guys know we will be taking calls here later

531
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: in this segment and also through the remainder of the show.

532
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: So if you get guys get want to call us,

533
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: tell us what you think of the new coaching hire,

534
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: new coaching staff. Reportedly, you can call us eight eight

535
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Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two nine seven again eight

536
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five five, two, two, nine seven, and

537
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Speaker 1: we'll take your calls that way. So let's walk through

538
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: these right now. Reportedly, Mike Nolan's going to be the

539
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. He would be replacing kind of this hybrid

540
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: between Rod Marinelli Chris Richard. Do you think that's an upgrade?

541
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Speaker 1: Do you think that's about the same or are you

542
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: just like, hey, we just have to wait and see

543
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: on this one. Nolan. I mean, you'd like to think

544
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be an upgrade. I mean, it'll be

545
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: hard to tell. I mean, I do like what he's

546
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: done in the past with you know, with those teams

547
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: that he's had forty nine ers and you know, the

548
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: Saints had had a good year with their linebackers. But

549
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: you know what I'm intrigued about is he's run some

550
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: three four right, so he's also runs, He's running He's

551
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: done both. Yeah, you know, I don't know if you

552
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: know if this team right now is ready for that

553
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: for that transition, but you could. It'll be interesting to

554
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: see in the draft if they kind of go that

555
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: route and and and maybe try to eventually get to

556
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: a three four defense. I think that would surprise me because,

557
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: like I mean, I you know, even in spite of

558
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: an eight and eighth season, Like, I think this team

559
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: is built to win now, and I think that's a

560
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: at least a little bit of a transition. I mean,

561
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: we talked about it on Monday, is like, they don't

562
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Speaker 1: have three four ends. They don't really have any edge rushers.

563
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: What do they not? Though I don't think so they have.

564
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: I think I think I think a lot of the

565
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: guys that they use in the middle, Um Covington being

566
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Speaker 1: one of them free agent. I get that. I'm well,

567
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: most of these guys are free agent. So we're talking

568
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: about basically from a standpoint, you got to replace those

569
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: guys anyway. So if you want to get a guy

570
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: that he thinks better fit, great, But if you brought

571
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: back the same guy, I think Covin too could play

572
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: three four end. I think I actually think that Mallie

573
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Speaker 1: Collins play three four I think they still have the

574
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: same problem, which is the problem they've had for a

575
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: long time. They don't have that big space eating guy

576
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: in the middle. But guess what you'd have to get

577
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: him anyway? I think would probably be that guy. Maybe

578
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: is he The question would be would he be able

579
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Speaker 1: to hold up in that in that kind of role.

580
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: I don't held up Jay Ratliffe was a different kind

581
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: of dude. True Ron's whole thing. What would you do

582
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: with d Law? I actually think d Law would be

583
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: a better stand up outside linebacker. I'll tell you this.

584
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw the transformation that Greg Ellis made

585
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Speaker 1: when he went from being a four three defensive end

586
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: for all of his career to being a stand up

587
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: outside lineback. He was a way better pass rusher on

588
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: the outside as an outside linebacker into three four than

589
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: he ever was as a four three defensive end. I

590
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: think that it gets and you see it all the

591
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: time when teams make that transition or players get the

592
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: opportunity to make that transition. If they have the right

593
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: body type, which DeMarcus Lawrence does, they become just unable

594
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: to block in a lot of instances because of how

595
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: they're able to get far on the outside and make

596
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: that get up feel like. I think it would be

597
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: a great move for didn't mean to take us down

598
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: this road. My point. I don't see it happening right away,

599
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: at least I don't. I think they'll stick with what

600
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: they're built to do and for the time being, but Anyway,

601
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: the fun thing about a guy like Mike Nolan is

602
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: that when you've been in the league that long, you've

603
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: coached a lot of good defense and you've had some

604
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: really bad defenses, like you can point to like, oh

605
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: my god, this is so terrible, or oh my god,

606
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: he's so good because he's been I mean, I think

607
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: his first NFL job was in nineteen eighty seven, just

608
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: before I was born, so he's done a little bit

609
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: of everything. I mean, if I'm looking for something to

610
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: feel optimistic about, it's that he's got a lot of

611
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: experience coaching linebackers, and the Cowboys defense will probably be

612
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: as good as their two young linebackers are. Like that's

613
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: that they're like they're gonna go the way of Jalen

614
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: Smith and Laton vander Esh the Saints linebackers were really

615
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, de Mario Davis has been a revelation for them.

616
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: You would think Mike Nolan's had a hand in that,

617
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: so that it's encouraging. If he can get the most

618
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: out of Layton and Jalen, I think that could be

619
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: really good for them. But I don't I don't know

620
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: that it's like a clear cut, just massive upgrade, right,

621
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Speaker 1: So let's think about as Rod Marinelli is not like

622
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Speaker 1: Chop Liver. He's a good coach, so I don't know

623
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Speaker 1: that they necessarily upgrade. The question is if a new

624
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: voice and maybe new schemes, maybe trying some different things

625
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: may make get the best out of these players. Where

626
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: Rod was very said in his ways of what he

627
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: wanted to do, maybe they just need to change up

628
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. If he can get the most

629
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Speaker 1: out of the linebackers and coach them into getting more takeaways,

630
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Speaker 1: I'm in if that's all I ask. All right, let's

631
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Speaker 1: talk about John fossil Special Teams. He's reportedly going to

632
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: be the new Special teams coach. He would be replacing

633
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Speaker 1: Keith Olquinn, which obviously they've had lots of issues this year.

634
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Speaker 1: What do you guys think now that I mean it

635
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: speaks a lot to how bad the Special teams were.

636
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: That like people are jumping for joy over a Special

637
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Teams coordinator higher, but I think they probably should because

638
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: we with this story together last night, Nick that he

639
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's reportedly going to be the higher Yeah,

640
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: he hasn't. His units haven't been worse than like twelfth

641
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: in the league in his time in LA or he's

642
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: done some uh you know, top ten perennially. Sorry, go ahead.

643
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, if Chris Jones is back,

644
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he better get his arm ready. Yeah. Hey, honestly,

645
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: this guy will fake punt. Now, we saw it. Does

646
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: it all the time? The Rams game that they played,

647
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: he didn't they throw a fake punt against the Cowboys.

648
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Remember it was the play where they threw it and

649
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: caught it and they called it a fumble, but then

650
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: they came back and said it was a catch. That

651
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: was a fake punt from the Rams um. So I'm

652
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: just saying you with him, somebody on Twitter have to

653
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: be leary of that. He They will do a fake

654
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: punt like almost once every three games, we'll get a

655
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: punter that can throw. I forgot about this, but he

656
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: actually going back when the Rams were in Saint Louis,

657
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: he did a fake where they had the whole punt team,

658
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: oh man, fake the ball to the right side like

659
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: it was Tavon Austin. It was Avon Austin fake feel

660
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: that because the coverage team doesn't actually look where the

661
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: ball's going. Have you seen this play? He it was

662
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: the coolest thing. It was like six years ago. It's

663
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: on Twitter, you can go find it. But Tavon Austin

664
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: misdirected the whole coverage team all the way. Step and

665
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: Bailey caught it on the right side. But the way

666
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: they ran the coverage tricked the holes and they thought

667
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: it was all in and Stem and Bailey just ran

668
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: in a straight line. Oh yeah, untouched, which and that

669
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean that fakes are fakes are one thing. Like

670
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't care about that though. I care about the

671
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: fact that they've been top ten in all coverage metrics

672
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: for like a decade. Uh, their their specialist trios in

673
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl every year, Hecker zerline, even their long

674
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: snappers made it to the Pro Bowl. Like, it doesn't

675
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: sound like special teams are gonna be a problem if

676
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: if this guy's the coordinator, and that's exciting. Once again,

677
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: just give me experience, is the way I look at it.

678
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted some experience. The thing about special teams, coach,

679
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before, you've got to be

680
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: aggressive when you're in the room talking about players. You've

681
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: got to be able to get players. You've got to

682
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: be able to stand on the table and say, this

683
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: guy that just got cut by the Patriots or whoever,

684
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: or by the jet this guy is who we need

685
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: as our linebacker. And part of that is having the

686
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: respect of the people in the room to where they

687
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: will listen and take those actions into him that right,

688
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, right, mia culpa Like I you know, I

689
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: guess I learned something about football over the years, because

690
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: when rich Bisaccio was here, I used to always be like,

691
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: how many how many special teamers do you need? Like, well,

692
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: why don't they go after players that can contribute on often?

693
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: You know, James Hannah, Kyle Wilber, Jeff Heath. For a time,

694
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: like Keith Smith, I was like, this guy must have

695
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: so much sway that all these guys that don't help

696
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: the offense or the defense are on the team. But

697
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: you know what, their special teams were really good more

698
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: often than not. Yep, yep. And that's also about just

699
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: having having the respect of everybody in room enough to

700
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: where when you say that, they're like, we might not

701
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: want to, but we need to give him the special

702
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: teams player, right, And that's about experience. His experience will

703
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: probably help with that of all of I'm I'm excited

704
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: that Kellen is coming back. If he is coming back.

705
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: But of all of the news that I've heard, I think, uh,

706
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: Fassil being the special team's coordinator is the most noteworthy

707
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: to me because that's how bad the special teams were

708
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: for this team last year. All right, let's talk about this.

709
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: He related to he's Jim's son, and Jim former the

710
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: former coach of the former Giants coach. You're probably the

711
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli's son in law is the defensive coordinator. It's

712
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: the former Giants coach. That's yeah, that's his son's the son. Yeah, fossil.

713
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: He keep saying, fast, fassil, fossil, I don't potato to whatever. Yeah,

714
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: something like that. I just yeah, they do, they do.

715
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, let's talk about it would have been funnier,

716
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: but let's just stop. Let's let's just move on. Jim

717
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: tom Sula defensive line again, Rod Marinelli's responsibility before What

718
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: do you guys think there? That is another I'm I'm intrigued,

719
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: slash excited by that he's coached. He kind of reminds

720
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: me of ed Orgeron honestly, is like, he's no, I'm serious,

721
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm so serious. Like he is not you know, he

722
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: doesn't wow you, and like he's not impressive. You're like,

723
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: this guy's a coach. Like he looks you know, it's

724
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: got taken him to dinner with sponsor. He looks like that.

725
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: He looks like the plumber. But he's coached a lot

726
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: of good d line in his day, Like he knows,

727
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: he knows more about it than anybody else could hope

728
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: to And and he's had results. He's coached a lot

729
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: of great players. Uh. And I mean everybody's loving on

730
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: ed Orgeron right now because he's gonna play for the

731
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: national title. But before this season he was hired, there

732
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: was a lot of people like yeah, and and I

733
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: think Tom Seula is kind of similar. He had his

734
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: shot as a head coach and it didn't work out

735
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: very well. But yeah, he seems really like like like

736
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: rough and yeah, scruffy. He just doesn't seem like he's

737
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: gonna wear a hot boys change. He just wants to

738
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: like hang out with pass rushers. Are you sure about

739
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: that though? He? I think he just wants to like

740
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: talk about hand placement technique and and old muscle cars.

741
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: I feel like those are probably his only interests. Yeah,

742
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: just football. That's like, yeah, And I love coaches like that.

743
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: There's a mess. They're the ones that get the most

744
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: out of their players, you know. When I'm excited about today.

745
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's gonna go into detail

746
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: on players and all that, but I'll remember two thousand

747
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: and three when Lozelle Adams was at this point in

748
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: his career has been a five year lineman and he

749
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: was not He was a second round pick, but he

750
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: was not anyone that was you know, he had anyone excited.

751
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: They called him a bust. He had fall start penalties,

752
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and he was going to be a free agent, and

753
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: everyone just said he's gone. And Parcels comes in in

754
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: this first press conference and he says, well, one of

755
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: the first things we need to do is we need

756
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: to go get locked up. Flozell Adams is one of

757
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: the best left tackles in football. And everybody's like what

758
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: he's like, Oh, this guy is unbelievable. You just gotta

759
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: get you know. And he made five straight Pro Bowls

760
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: and he's one of the best players in Cowboys history.

761
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: So who's mccarthur gonna say. I wonder, yeah, I wonder

762
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: about that. With tom Sewell, I wonder if he comes

763
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: in and you know, did it and Byron Jones and

764
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: then says, you know, Millie Collins, I mean what we're

765
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: doing here? Was he signed yet or something? He just

766
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: needs to be doing something different. That's that's what the coaches.

767
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: He said, I got some for him. I know how

768
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: to use. And there's a lot of players out there,

769
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: and that's why they have holdovers. That's why Kellen's here,

770
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: That's why leon Lett might beer. That's why you have

771
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: holdovers because you don't just come in and say this

772
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: guy's good. You know, I keep saying, but let's say

773
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Rico gathers with here, he'd be like, look at him,

774
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna get him played. And then that's when another

775
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: coach has been here was like, well let's talk, let

776
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: me talk about that. Yeah, let's talk. But but that's

777
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: why these that's not the only reason Kellen's here. Is

778
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: not the only reason you'll have holdovers, but it's one

779
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: of the reasons. Is you want to just kind of

780
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: get a good feel for what happened last year. What

781
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: did y'all you know, what we're all doing before we

782
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: go to break. I do want to jump on a call.

783
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: We got a call from Portugal, John out of John

784
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: What up? Oh Hello, how are you guys doing great? Yay?

785
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna talk about Jim fosswell, so, um, no,

786
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: never mind. No, But basically, if you have to win

787
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: two out of the three phases, did Dallas actually win

788
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: the special teams phase in any game last year? No? No, exactly,

789
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: And so you know, yeah, their offense one a phase

790
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: one week, and their defense want to phase one week.

791
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: But there their special teams never want to phase. Wow,

792
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: So you know, win Special Teams player of the Week

793
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: one week. I don't know true for kicking sixty two

794
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: yards or whatever. But the whole thing is that now

795
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: they got a chance of winning Special teams every week.

796
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: So that gives them one phase and now the other

797
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: two teams. You know, you're never gonna win all three

798
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: phases except for you know when you win fifty right, Yeah,

799
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: and that's not often in the NFL. So you know,

800
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: now they have a shot at two out of the

801
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: three phases. I think it's a huge higher. I think

802
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: it's a great point. Again, it gets to the heart

803
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: of what I thought was the biggest challenge for this

804
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: coaching staff, not necessarily the team overall, but just for

805
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Last year was that they just didn't

806
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: have the amount of experience that I wanted them to

807
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: have as a staff. And I think this year, like

808
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: you were saying, you look the number of years these

809
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: guys have been doing it. I mean it is a mints.

810
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: They have a lot of experience, and they have a

811
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: lot of experience doing really great work. I just like that, Jason. Sorry, Nick,

812
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett knows too much about football to like not

813
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: think special teams is important. But it's hard not to

814
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: get that impression from the way last year went. Even

815
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: like it's almost like he liked Brett Maher so much

816
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: because it took the pressure off him to decide what

817
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: to do. He's like, well, I mean he can kick

818
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: sixty two yards, so we can do that instead of

819
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: like having to make a tougher decision. You know. He's like, well,

820
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: this guy can hit from sixty two. It makes my

821
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: job easier. Just send him out there, which, like I said,

822
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: like he knows too much about football for that to

823
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: be the case, But that's how it seemed, and it's

824
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: exciting to think that they could have that element of

825
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: special teams where it's like a game within a game.

826
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: Like you, it's they call it hidden yardage. You can

827
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: win games that way. If he can. If he can

828
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: do that and really teach these guys, then that's that's

829
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: going to be a very valuable commodity to have. But

830
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: what I worry about is when you talk about the

831
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: talent on this team, is a team like this structured

832
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: well enough to be good on special teams? Because you

833
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: think about it, they're about to have the highest paid,

834
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: one of the highest paid quarterbacks in NFL, and receivers

835
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: as well. They have one of the highest paid running backs,

836
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: left tackle, left or right guard, center, defensive end, inside linebacker,

837
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: maybe cornerback. They're very, very, very top heavy. We know that.

838
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: That's why everyone calls them talented, because they do have

839
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: all these talented players. But when you have your top heavy,

840
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: it means it's got to balance out somehow, and it

841
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: balances out at the bottom of the roster and the

842
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: bottom of the roster of the guys that will be

843
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: playing special teams. So if you don't have this great

844
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: teacher that can teach these guys every year, then that's

845
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: going to be a problem. And I think that the

846
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: way this team is structured, there's a hole there. And

847
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: look at the look at the Patriots. The Patriots are

848
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: great on special teams, but they don't have top end

849
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: players other than the quarterback. And he's not even paying

850
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: that that well, they don't have those top end players

851
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: like that, so they're they're structured differently. I will say, though.

852
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: The Rams are pretty top heavy. Yeah they aren't. Mean

853
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: the Rams are paying Donald, they're paying golf, they're paying girly.

854
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: Why isn't he coming back? They were I don't know

855
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: this Peters and talib On. I mean, he might be

856
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: out of contrast. Maybe I don't tell them. I don't

857
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: And honestly, were they that good on special teams last year?

858
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't have divers in front. I just know the

859
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean he was there from twenty twelve and the

860
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: resume over time, Yeah, was consistently good. He's got you know,

861
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: people know that he's he's a guy that's very aggressive.

862
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: And we talked about those fake punts and stuff like that,

863
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: like they will do some some different out of the

864
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: box thinking stuff and that's what I like it. Just

865
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: like Cowys were just too conservative when he came to

866
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of hesitation just when you

867
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: watch them playing on Special Teams. It was like the

868
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: the want as if the want wasn't there, like the

869
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: desire to actually go out and make the play. It

870
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: was more like kind of scare like hesitation a lot

871
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: of the times. But when you when you apply the

872
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: whole creativity aspect of things, it allows you to create

873
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: more opportunities for your players to be able to do

874
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: something rather than stand there and figure out, oh, oh crap,

875
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: where do I go? What do I do? Now? You

876
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: know that's nice and I want to see more creativity,

877
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: but more importantly for this Special Teams, I just want

878
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: to get the basic things right. There were so many

879
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: times last year that guys didn't stand in the right lane,

880
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: glides didn't block the right guy, Guys didn't make the

881
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: right decision when it was on whether you fair catch

882
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: or whether you should return it. Like. It's those kinds

883
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: of situations where I need them to be coached up

884
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: better and the players take accountability for doing the right

885
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: things when they're supposed to do the right things. And

886
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: I think if you can get the blocking and tackling

887
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: no pun intended done well for that Special Teams I

888
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: think that goes a long way. And then if you

889
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: add some creativity, great, But they got to get more

890
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: consistent with doing the base sick things a special teams

891
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: needs to do. All right, we're gonna take our final break.

892
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: We'll come back. Let's get some more calls. Eight eight

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Nation. This season, when the Cowboys win, you get

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923
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,000
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00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,160
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927
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: of The Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios.

928
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: At the start, We're gonna take some questions throughout the

929
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: remainder of the show. Eight eight eight eight five five

930
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: two two ninety seven is our number for you have

931
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: a question or if you shot a comment about this

932
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: new coaching staff. We'd love to hear from you guys

933
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: and kind of toss those things around. We'll take a

934
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: call right now from Tim and wait for us. Tim,

935
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: what up? Hey, what's up? Fails? How are you doing? Hey?

936
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: Good are you? I'm doing well. I'm a long time

937
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans for the seventies and I've seen us win

938
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: with Tom Landry. I've seen us win with Jimmy Johnson.

939
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: It's just almost twenty years. Everyone knows, no secret. We

940
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: haven't won anything, and we'll just on the edge, you know.

941
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of up telling them what I heard

942
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: David Hellman say early about the team not knowing what

943
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: they want to do or they fried everything from going

944
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: with no running back to anybody came behind the line

945
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: or two wide receivers, but is a by committee and

946
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: then they're trying this new coaching scheme, and I'll tell

947
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: you I was gonna be one of those fans to

948
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: bail ship. I wanted to jump off. It's like, look,

949
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: I just got man Cave and my base man. I

950
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: was ready to have my Cowboys stuff, and I'm like,

951
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: what are we doing? No championship? So all I have

952
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: to say is that I want to say what Dovetail

953
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: or what David Hemmon was saying. He was like, they're

954
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: trying everything, and I wonder we all know that um

955
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: uh Jerry Jones is running everything and was upset with

956
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: him for not having us a championship. But I have

957
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: to backtrack on that and say, man, look this cat

958
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: has done everything possible. He wants to win. He has

959
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: done everything possible to try to bring us a championship.

960
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: And I just love what he's doing with this new

961
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff and allowing ummister McCarthy to come in and

962
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: do his own thing to get his coaching staff together.

963
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: So he's talking me off the lad secondly, and I

964
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: let you. Secondly, I just want to her to just

965
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: hit this part too. We always talk about the triplets

966
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: and this, and we payed a lot of money for

967
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: DeMarco and Romo and now we got our offense paying

968
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: out of money. When are we going to bring back Doomsday?

969
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, not just one guy. I mean the key

970
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: to me to them Super Bowls has been the defense.

971
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: You guys know we had the number one defense in

972
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: ninety two, not one made of Pro Bowl. So when

973
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: are we going? When is that going to be the focus?

974
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: And put some guys it's not getting burned, you know,

975
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But thanks for your time. Hey, look,

976
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, go go go score Cowboys. Appreciate the time, fellas.

977
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: Thank all you do. I listen you all the time.

978
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: It's probably my second time calling in, so keep doing

979
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: the keep the good work. Thank you, appreciate it. Sam,

980
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for the call. Let's dive into that.

981
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: One of the things that he said that I thought

982
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: was really interesting, he said, letting Mike McCarthy pull together

983
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: his staff. It certainly seems like in this instance, Mike

984
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: McCarthy is having a very large say, if not completely,

985
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: designing his staff as he chooses it to be, which

986
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: is one of the things I've always thought the head

987
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: coach should be allowed to do, and it hasn't always

988
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: worked out like that. What do you guys think about

989
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: that dynamic. I think that it happens way more than

990
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: you think. I mean here, I mean everyone goes back

991
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: to the fact that Jason Garrett was hired before the

992
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: head coach. I mean, that's what Jerry Jones thought was

993
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: going to be a you know, a good young coach,

994
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: and you know, he was a good young coach. It

995
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: just got to the point where he wasn't as great

996
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: and they needed him to be great. Fans like tim

997
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: they need that and rightfully, so that's what they expect.

998
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: But I don't I think for the most part, Jason

999
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: Garrett got to hire who he wanted to hire. I mean,

1000
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: it was just a timing situation. And then here's a

1001
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: guy and then he brought him in. And do we

1002
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: know that Mike McCarthy got to hire Kellen Moore. I

1003
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: mean it might have been part of the deal. Kellen

1004
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: Moore's on staff. Yeah he made that comment, but that

1005
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: might have been Jerry's he's here, we'll see what happened.

1006
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's the flip of that, maybe as a

1007
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: part of the interview process. Maybe it's just kind of understood, well,

1008
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: if you're going to take the job here, some stuff

1009
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: that comes with the job. Oh I love that guy. Great,

1010
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: let's go. You know, so you just never know how

1011
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: that goes. I just think that the fact that there

1012
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: are all these other guys that we mentioned today, who

1013
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: are these longtime guys who in some instances have relations

1014
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: that you can tie back to McCarthy, it seems as

1015
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: though at least he has a heavy input into what's

1016
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: what's being done whatever, whatever, whether it's Kellen Moore or

1017
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: somebody else, like whatever was in place, it wasn't enough

1018
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: that McCarthy said no, and he could have. I mean,

1019
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: and like this, I don't I don't know. I don't

1020
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: think Dallas Cowboys are great. I'm not sure like Mike

1021
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: McCarthy's impressed by like I can't turn down the Cowboys,

1022
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: like he coached the Green Bay Packers for fourteen years,

1023
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, Like, I don't think he's impressed by like

1024
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 1: the magnitude of this flagship franchise. I think he wants

1025
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: to win, obviously, and he wants a head coaching job.

1026
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: But if Jerry Jones had put these crazy stipulations on

1027
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: the higher he'd been like, okay, I'll okay, I'll coach Carolina.

1028
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't care, like I'll just I'll get a job.

1029
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. So I think that it

1030
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: must not have been this drastic deal, Like, yeah, he's like,

1031
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: I love Kellen Moore, been watching them all year, I

1032
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: don't care if he's on the staff, and so I mean, yeah,

1033
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's that big of a deal. Um. Really,

1034
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: my main impression from listening to him is I really

1035
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't have a grudge with Jason Garrett, but that

1036
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: call is like why it needed to happen. Like me selfishly,

1037
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like, finally we can we can cover the

1038
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: team and give feedback and input on the team and

1039
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: the response won't be sarcastic, Like I think people are

1040
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: just ready for something new. They're ready to believe that

1041
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: things can change, and that wasn't going to happen if

1042
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett had come back. So it's it's nice to

1043
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: hear people sound enthusiastic about the future instead of sarcastic.

1044
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it is, and we all

1045
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: have our own, like our own teams that we root

1046
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: for outside of the Cowboys for our own personal reasons, right,

1047
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: And the one thing that you never want to be

1048
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: You never want to find yourself in a situation where

1049
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: you really have no comeback to your friends who are

1050
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: giving you, who are talking to you about your team

1051
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: giving you the business. Yeah, you don't want to be

1052
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: in it. And that's what I think a lot of

1053
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans were getting to is they had no more comebacks.

1054
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: Like it was like we we literally I have no

1055
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: hope right now. You know, if fans want to have hope,

1056
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: they want to be able to every year when you

1057
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: go to training camp. Fans want to have hope. This

1058
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: year is going to be our year. And I think

1059
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans are getting the point where they just didn't

1060
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: have any hope, and that's the part we have to work.

1061
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: I know we kind of argued about that down the

1062
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: final stretch of the season, Like I really do believe

1063
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: if Jason Garrett had come back in twenty twenty, we

1064
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: would have lost a decent number of fans, maybe not forever,

1065
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: but until until he was gone at least tuned out

1066
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: and saying I'm just like yeah, like maybe they watched

1067
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: on Sunday, but like they're not going to listen to

1068
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: this show five days a week or you know, interact

1069
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: with us all that type. I really think it would

1070
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: have affected the team or the you know, the fan

1071
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: base whatever. All right, let's take a call from Tom

1072
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Tom, what up? Yeah, Hi, guys, good show.

1073
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: Seems like overall this year our health is pretty good

1074
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: on the team. And I was just wondering when they

1075
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: changed coaches, does he bring in his own strength and

1076
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: conditioning coaches and are in trainers or does it they

1077
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: remain the ones who had last year. All Right, that's

1078
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: a really good question. I mean, you know, it's it's

1079
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: tough to to know that answer. I will say from

1080
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: the athletic trainers, they have been here since um, you know,

1081
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: back in the days of Jimmy and even some of

1082
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: them were um with Landry I believe as interns. So

1083
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: they've been around a while and they haven't changed those guys. Um,

1084
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: strength coaches can be a little bit different, but for

1085
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: the most part, some of those guys have have stayed

1086
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: on to different staffs. I know with Parcels, he tried

1087
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: to make a change with the with the coach that

1088
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: was here, but then he ended up keeping them. So, um,

1089
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of turnover there. But but

1090
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: I think if he if he's got a guy that

1091
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: he really really likes, yeah he I mean, he could

1092
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: definitely do that. And I mean, I say it's a

1093
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: good question because like that stuff is a affected by

1094
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: every coaching hire, and you know, those aren't guys that

1095
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: are making gaudy salaries either. So it's something to keep

1096
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: in mind. And I don't get the impression that there's

1097
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: gonna be wide sweeping changes, but I think I mean,

1098
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: a couple people here and there could come and go.

1099
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Wois, it comes to mind. He's I

1100
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: mean he's been coaching the NFL for how many years? Yeah? Ever,

1101
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: and I mean at some point you would think he's

1102
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: going to retire. Maybe that could be something that happens

1103
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: because of this. I'm not sure, But I don't get

1104
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: the impression that there's going to be like these sweeping

1105
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: staff changes. So it is something to watch though. Yeah.

1106
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: I think one thing to note too is and and

1107
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: this Jerry has told set this publicly many times and

1108
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: we've seen it. We saw a play out last week.

1109
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: Jerry is a loyal guy. So when it comes down

1110
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: to it, you talk about those guys that have been

1111
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: there for a very, very long time. Yeah, some of

1112
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: that matters. It matters because Jerry is a loyal guy,

1113
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: and Jerry feels like if you're loyal to him, he'll

1114
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: be loyal to you. And so for some of those guys,

1115
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I suspect that, you know, there may be some changes

1116
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: that that the new head coach can make, but I

1117
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: think there's some guys that are probably gonna come with

1118
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: the dinner, you know, think about this. Bill Parcels came

1119
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: in in two thousand and three and he made a

1120
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: huge change to the UM training room. Okay, he didn't.

1121
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: He didn't change a player. He just turned the air

1122
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: conditioner down to fifty nine degrees and it literally he

1123
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: was like, get out of the training room. No food

1124
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: in here. This isn't a place where you come and

1125
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: hide from the media. You sit, sit down here. If

1126
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: you hurt, get your ankle tape, get some treatment, do

1127
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do. It's gonna be freezing cold

1128
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: in here. You don't want to be in here. You

1129
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: want to get out of here. I don't want people

1130
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: to hurt in here running around. That was a huge change.

1131
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: Didn't change one guy. So you can make a big

1132
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: change without making some of those That makes me feel

1133
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: bad for the training staff in the snuggies on, but

1134
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I bet it accomplished the purpose.

1135
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: I meant, guys were not hanging out in the training

1136
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: room anymore. Yeah, all right, let's take a call from

1137
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: Robin las Vegas. Rob, what up? Hey guys? Hey Robin.

1138
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: I think this is a really good high I think

1139
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: it's everything we needed in the sense of, you know,

1140
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: a guy coming in with respect and a ring matters.

1141
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: Because it's been about fourteen years or so, I don't

1142
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many years the way Phillips never

1143
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: really won anything as a head coach, and obviously Jason

1144
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: Garrett never did, so I just think him coming in

1145
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: and plus the team that seemed like always stood it

1146
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: all way to get to the next step was Green Bay.

1147
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: So these players look at it like, Wow, this guy,

1148
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, he's always eating us. And I know Aaron

1149
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: Rodgers was a huge part of that, but you got

1150
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: to give this guy credit for that. I think we

1151
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: don't always agree on Jason Garrett. I don't think Jason

1152
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: Garrett was horrible. I think he was good. But the

1153
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: one thing we kind of agree on is he wasn't

1154
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: a very good game day coach. He was just so

1155
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: many times where we look like white white he hunting

1156
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: now when he would go for it then and I

1157
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: and I just think McCarthy will be better on the

1158
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: during the game. I just think you'll just be a

1159
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: better game day coach. And I just think he brings

1160
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: a little tougher I don't know, attitude, And I'm not

1161
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: saying he's a screamer or anything like that. I just

1162
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: think what I watched that interview with Peter King was

1163
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: really interesting. I never really paid attention to Mike McCarthy,

1164
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: but the more I'm watching it, the one thing I

1165
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: came to this guy's hungry. This guy wants to prove

1166
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: everybody that you know what you're firing me if that

1167
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: thirteen years is going to be a mistake. And and

1168
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: I could see this, this guy's hungry, I mean to

1169
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: do what he did the McCarthy papers or whatever. That's

1170
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: when the guys would would do that. So I think

1171
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: it's a really good higher And I like the fact

1172
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: that he's gonna call the plays all right, oh alva,

1173
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah. One of the things he talked about, I

1174
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: did want to talk about it real quick. As the

1175
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: analytics part obviously that you know, it's been well documented

1176
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: that he kind of put a team together of some

1177
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: coaches and they would meet as a staff, and they

1178
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: would kind of treat it like they were another To

1179
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: go to the point you ask about what he's been

1180
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: doing for last year, and I think it's more impressive

1181
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: than even the twelve or thirteen years in Green Bay.

1182
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: And the reason why is we talk so much about

1183
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and just coaching staff with a little bit

1184
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: of arrogance of we do it our way, we do

1185
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: it this way, this is the way we do it,

1186
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of coaches are that way. It's not

1187
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: just Jason Garrett. You gotta get set in your ways

1188
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: to be able if this really happened like this, and

1189
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: I think it did, to be able to step back

1190
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: and say, all right, let's do some things different. Let's

1191
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: let's take a different approach here, let's let's look at

1192
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: different ways to do things. And you know, this guy's

1193
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, but he's still taking the time,

1194
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: like the caller said to say, I'm going to see

1195
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: if there's a different way to do it. I'm gonna

1196
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: get another shot. When I get another shot, I'm gonna

1197
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: be even more prepared than I was before. I think

1198
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: that is very impressive. And so we've talked about what's

1199
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: Garrett gonna do. Is he gonna take us do the

1200
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: same thing. I don't know. You gotta be in a

1201
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: way not so set and do what we do and

1202
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: say I need to do what works. And I think

1203
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: that's something. You know, it's still early here, but I

1204
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: think if if he's willing to do that, it goes

1205
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot. It's hard to change people that are older

1206
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: and set in their ways. I mean, I'm stubborn to

1207
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: we do what we do. So for him to make

1208
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: a change, if that really happened, I think it's impressive.

1209
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: I do too, But I want to I want to

1210
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: actually see what that means. I mean, and even even

1211
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: in the even you know, the interviews and basically felt

1212
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: like a pr campaign honestly, and good on him, I mean,

1213
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: that's that's awesome, But what does that actually mean? Does

1214
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: it mean you're going to be more aggressive on fourth

1215
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: down and go for two? Does it mean you've got

1216
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: people given you probability input like John Harbaugh? Does it

1217
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: mean you know, does it mean more play action? Does

1218
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: it mean passing on early down. It's like, what exactly

1219
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: does that mean? Or are you just throw out the

1220
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: word analytics because you know it's popular with the football

1221
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: community right now. I think it's well more, way more

1222
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: thought out than that. I think I do to you

1223
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: when you listen to what he was saying in the article,

1224
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: he basically set up a whole his idea of what

1225
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: the entire team would look like. I want to say

1226
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: it was like six guys that would be a part

1227
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: of a video team, eight guys that would be a

1228
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: part of an analytics team, and their whole job together

1229
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: as one group, would be to understand how analytics play

1230
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: into football and make sure that the coaching staff and

1231
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: the players are put into position where they take advantage

1232
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: of all of those numbers and all that data to

1233
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: give them the best opportunity to win. That may be

1234
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: game stuff, that may be training stuff that maybe whatever

1235
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: it might be, they want their whole job. That's a

1236
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: fourteen person staff. Their whole job would be to figure

1237
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: out how data works in football and make sure that

1238
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be at the front end of using

1239
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: all that data to make the best decisions. My thought

1240
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: was always not you guys know from around the office

1241
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: it's probably to go. When I first saw the article

1242
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: and I sent it to you guys and ill that

1243
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: at that point, I was like, if they're gonna make

1244
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: a coaching change, just the guy. I want the reason why.

1245
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: It's not so much necessarily that he was doing the

1246
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: stuff run analytics or whatever. My thought was just you

1247
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: take any professional that's already good at what he does,

1248
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: which his resume says he's already a good coach. You

1249
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: give him a year and you say, go away from

1250
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: your profession and go figure out how to be better

1251
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: than what you were before. They're gonna come back a ton.

1252
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: I think better if you give me a year to

1253
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: go and just sit in isolation and figure out how

1254
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: I can be a better how I can do media better.

1255
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back with way more ideas, way smarter,

1256
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: way better to handle the job than I was when

1257
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: I left. And that to me was why I said

1258
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: this is a great higher and I figured he was

1259
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that was gonna be highly

1260
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: sought after. I think he got more interviews than anybody

1261
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: that was on out there searching this offseason, and I

1262
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: think it's why he blew the Cowboys away from the

1263
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: moment he got there and first started talking, I think

1264
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: he blew him away. And it's very hard not to

1265
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: draw the pair of well of Andy Reid spending a

1266
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: year learning college spread concepts, going to Kansas City and

1267
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: they've basically been in the playoffs every year since. He

1268
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: hasn't had in seven seasons. He's only had one season

1269
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: of less than ten wins. That's a May Reid. And

1270
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: by the way, Andrey was a good coach while he

1271
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: was in Philly. His voice got it got stale there

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Speaker 1: and it was time to move on. And he got

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Speaker 1: to Kansas City and he is he's been killing it.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, you know, the priest homes, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: why can't I think of the guy's name, the freaking

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Speaker 1: Willie Rofe geez, Oh my god. Like those Chiefs of

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Speaker 1: the mid two thousands, they were great, but it's like

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Speaker 1: they were a laughing stock for a chunk there like that.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's one loss in twenty eleven was to a

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Speaker 1: terrible Chiefs team, And it's I mean, but you don't

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Speaker 1: think of him that they morenially they are. They have

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Speaker 1: the success that the Cowboys covet so dearly where at

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Speaker 1: I mean for seven years, you know they're going to

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Speaker 1: be in the mix. And I mean even before Mahomes

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Speaker 1: got there, they've been in the mix. So that's Rob.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't even gotten that far. Rob said on our

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Speaker 1: joint show on Monday. He was like, success for McCarthy

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Speaker 1: would be being in the conversation every year for three,

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Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven years, And that's like such

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Speaker 1: a novel concept to the Cowboys over the last twenty years,

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Speaker 1: that would be of course, of course, well but okaytion

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have been in the conversation and make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: of course, But I mean but that honestly, yes, they

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Speaker 1: need to get to a conference title game, they need

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Speaker 1: to win a super Bowl. But what makes it so frustrating,

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Speaker 1: what made the Garrett air is so frustrating, is that

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Speaker 1: you never built on a good year ever, ever, ever,

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Speaker 1: And that like even if they even if they don't

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Speaker 1: get to a super Bowl in the first three years

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Speaker 1: of McCarthy's tenure, if they're in the mix every single year,

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Speaker 1: it would be an improvement on what they've had. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to pile one on Garrett on just on

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Speaker 1: that that's been the way it is for the last

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Speaker 1: twenty hasn't had back to back success in right, it's

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Speaker 1: been twenty in a while, and that's why I think

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Speaker 1: gets just almost as important as winning a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: as just being a consistently nine, ten, eleven, twelve win franchise.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We're back

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday. We'll have more talk for you, guys. I'm

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