WEBVTT - NFL Daily 32: Ranking Quarterbacks 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:09.040 Welcome to NFL Daily, where the entire offseason has been leading. 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.120 To this very show. I'm Greg Rosenthal. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.200 I am joined by our friend John Ledyard from across 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.239 the country, taking a break from his day job to 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.400 break down the best quarterbacks in the NFL. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:23.680 Tongue in cheek a little. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.680 Bit that the whole often season's been leading to this, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.760 but this is our last show, John, before the fourth 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.200 of July break. We've been doing our NFL Daily thirty 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.680 two and we've led to quarterbacks the one I think 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.040 you know a lot of people we've been waiting for. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:40.960 No one I would rather talk about the position than 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:41.400 with you. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.479 I appreciate you, Greg, thank you for having me on. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.040 I'm excited to talk about this position group. I feel 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.880 like this is the position group that you pulled me 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.960 away from. Any like hot takes I might have, I 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.080 have a lot of them in other positions. I will 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.040 be so curious. I think there are a couple quarterbacks 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.400 that it's like, where are we on these guys, Like, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.240 are we like full fledged belief mode even though we 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.560 everyone most people would agree we haven't seen it to 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.479 that level yet, or we kind of like, let's hold 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.679 the line until we get more of a sample size 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.000 of excellence from a couple of guys. But other than that, 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.320 I think we're sort of in a like window where 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.600 it's not that controversial right now with this vision. But 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.000 maybe I'll be proven wrong today. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.119 I think that's right in the sense that I think 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:27.280 there's more good to solid starting quarterbacks than any time 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.600 since I've been covering the league. It really hits me 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.880 doing this exercise that you can go twenty deep with 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.640 guys that are pretty good, and then you can have 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.120 a number of more promising players after that. It wasn't 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.280 always like that. There's this idea that there was some 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.560 golden age of quarterbacks. No, it used to fall off 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.120 pretty hard after you know, five or twelve or fifteen. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.840 And so we'll get into who we think should be 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.160 a top our list, but just for parameters for everyone listening, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.600 it's similar to the rest of the NFL Daily thirty 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.120 two series. We are drafting based on who we would 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.600 want for twenty twenty six alone, so it's not a 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.520 long term, you know, bet, And also we can have 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.519 multiple quarterbacks from the same team. Just guessing could be wrong. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.920 There might not be a Cleveland Brown drafted today. So 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.000 there's some teams that maybe won't have any quarterbacks and 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.120 some teams that could have two. John, I've been giving 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.919 our guests the first pick, so I will give that 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.360 to you. And for people who aren't familiar, John's joined 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.760 the show before, but he is Ali Connolly's great co 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.720 host on their podcasts together, The Read Optional. He does 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.200 great work on Substack, so everyone check out John Ledyard 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.560 there and they combined for one of the best NFL 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.120 podcasts out there. And now a lot of pressure on you, 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:43.440 John with the first over. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.679 Thanks for the kind words and the kind intro there. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.800 Number one pick. This is a lot of pressure, and 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.320 I think what I'm gonna do is go a little bit. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.680 Maybe this is oscrip. You tell me, and I don't 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.760 think I would say that. It's pretty like going away 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.840 from Patrick brohomes here two largely I think would be 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.359 a tough move. But I am going to go with 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.679 Josh Allen first. Overall, I think here, I think there's 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.120 a lot of guys in this tier though. That's how 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.480 I'd start My preface about this position is that Tier 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.000 one might be a little more crowded. There's more conversation 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:15.760 for other guys than there's been in a while where 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.120 I think for a couple of years we've seen it 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.720 mostly Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.360 then perhaps Joe Burrow if he's a healthy season, it's 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.440 usually Joe Burrow. If he's not outthy, everybody starts talking 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.160 about how he's not on that level. But those guys 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.160 have typically been like still at the top, and well, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.560 I still think they're all in that conversation. I think 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.080 there's probably other names that we can throw in that 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.080 we're going to discuss. So it's a little more contentious 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.920 for this top spot. I think that it's been in 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.080 the past. The reason I go to Josh Allen, who 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:41.640 I know hasn't done it in the playoffs at the 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.560 level Mahomes has. But I think it's been a little 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.480 bit better the last couple of seasons is I think 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.960 the team built around him has actually been the least 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.520 helpful of the top guys, you know, the consensus top guys, 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.280 typical top guys. They've certainly had some good things. None 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.680 of these situations are just absolute disasters. So I don't 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.320 mean to paint it that way, but I would say 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.480 the situation around and whether you're looking at pass catcher 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.200 or even if you're looking at just overall offensive dominance, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.800 like ability to dominate in lots of different situations. Their 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.160 offense has been in which when their team was at 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.280 their best, they had more of a building. That way, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.240 they were able to be a team that beat different 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.920 types of defenses at a higher level. And certainly in 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.800 the regular season they've still had their share of success. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.560 But I just think if you look at some of 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.239 their players, like there's some solid players in their offensive line, Obviously, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.720 losing Aaron Kromer as an offensive line coach, I think 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.520 is going to affect them a lot too. So there 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.680 was like enough kind of bastions of the Bills of 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.640 a couple of years ago to survive year to year. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.719 And they still have some good players, but he's not 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.120 surrounded by a lot of other all world types of 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.640 players on that offense. And so yet I think he's 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.720 been as good as any quarterback in the league. And 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.320 I know in the playoffs that matters too, And I 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.080 think he's rarely been the reason that they've just kind 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.559 of fallen off in those moments. They've frankly been pretty 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.119 unlucky in some moments in the playoffs, and also they've 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.960 hurt themselves some times too, But I think it he's 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.160 clearly in the conversation, and for me just think I 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.400 think he might still be closer to the peak of 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.040 his powers than maybe mahomes is, although watch to see 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:05.280 how he comes back from the injury. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.960 So we'll have some trends with these rankings. And one 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.320 thing I got to thinking going through writing these names 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.120 down is the very top of the league, which I 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.120 think it's been pretty stable for a while, aren't coming 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.240 off their best seasons. To me, Josh Allen was an 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:22.039 easy number one. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:23.160 I thought. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.600 You know, I know, MVP votes aren't the most perfect 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.400 measure of a player, but the fact that he's third, fifth, first, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.880 and third over the last four years, that just shows 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.480 the type of consistency you mentioned the playoffs, where his 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:39.320 play in general has only gone up. Then again, his 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.080 QBR last year, like was his lowest since twenty nineteen. 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.240 There were some ups and downs during the regular season. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.320 He's very often had little dips in the regular season, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.240 but the overall picture is great. You know, he's fifth 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.000 in yards percent. Some of the numbers were down, he 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.599 took more sacks. Certainly last year, I do think you 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:01.360 can fault the surroundings that he had, but over to me, actually, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.160 he was a pretty easy number one, and I think 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.120 the playoffs are a good microcosm of what he can do. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.560 The Jaguars game was just absolutely electric, almost a perfect game, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.960 and then the Broncos game had a little bit of everything. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.839 There are great scrambles and then there's a disaster scramble 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.960 from him doing too much that you know, helped to 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:18.880 lead to a turnover. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:20.960 His short game is way better. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.600 I think he's matured in terms of how he gets 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.120 rid of the ball, and he's so much more accurate. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.360 We've obviously talked about that. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.640 And he didn't have the weapons deep last year, so 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.400 he didn't use the weapons deep as the lowest air 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.200 yards for him, you know, per row for a season 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.880 by far. But in the end, he puts up all 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.240 those points on that Broncos defense that should have been 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.359 good enough to win that game. And it's one of 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.839 two Bills playoff trips where I really will look back 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.479 and think, man, they should have been in the super 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.680 Bowl that in two of those seasons, and this is 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:52.160 one of them. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.479 Yeah, no doubt They've had a lot of opportunities to 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.320 look back on that way, and that's maybe the story 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.159 of the Buffalo franchise in some way. But I still 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.400 feel like with him, don't you feel like they've got 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.320 kind of as good a shot as anybody in terms 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.160 of you, because you're right, all these guys are not 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.600 coming off maybe their best season and even some of 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.520 their teams team building wise, there's more questions around the Ravens, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.560 the Chiefs, the Bills like that. I mean, change is 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.160 a coach like changes? Could there be changes above them 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.480 at some point? Like there's more questions around the structure 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.600 of the franchise, and there's been really over the last 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.880 couple of years for all these guys. And yet I 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.080 think that if you're just saying, Okay, which quarterback would 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:30.360 I want to go into battle with? Out of all 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.440 these guys. There's certainly arguments for all of them. That's 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.280 why they're in the same tier. But I think Allen's 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.440 multi tool skill set would be the way that I 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.080 would go, Which, by the way, isn't it insane that 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.240 we're talking about Josh Allen best quarterback in the league. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.240 I always been in that conversation for a while, but 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.840 like you're saying, easy number one of the league, he 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.000 wasn't even good in college. It's just like, yeah, the 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.440 craziest round. I'll never get over the rise of power. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.119 It is absolutely true. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.840 And I was slow to accept the new world order 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.480 we've been living in. And yet as someone who loves 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.560 Mahomes and I'm not taking them with them too because 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.520 he's coming off of this injury. You're making a face there, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.680 but it is strange to feel that. I think, just 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.360 on balance, Alan has been the best guy. He's so 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.360 good that we didn't even mention that. Know, him running 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.800 the ball is essentially the most efficient play in football 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.440 for five straight seasons. So my number two pick, and 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.320 this was very difficult because again I'm with you that 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.920 this is a pretty big tier of five six guys, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.360 and because of Mahomes' injury, I actually would take Lamar 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.400 Jackson as my second pick. If I was judging just 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.319 off last season, you know he would be much lower. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.160 He was a different player in twenty twenty five. He 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.480 was not as elusive. He took a ton of sacks 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.720 when he was pressured. There weren't as many wow runs. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.760 I'm going negative here to start to just build my case. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.320 But the thing that really worried me was that there 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:56.440 weren't as many wow throws. Despite all that, he was 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.160 still a top ten quarterback in terms of QBR, is 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.760 still great against man coverage. It was a lot more 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.959 play action, which was weird but was fun to see. Ultimately, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.679 he's like the all time NFL leader in adjusted yards 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.719 per attempt And I'm not a big QB rating guy, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:13.400 but he is the all. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.160 Time leader in that. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.839 You know, he's been top two MVP three times the 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.319 other four seasons. It's worth noting like he didn't get 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.160 a vote and he eating missed four games in three 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.160 of the last five seasons. That's kind of the basic 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.120 argument the eyeball test to me is he still in 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.480 the middle of his prime. Last year was a really 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.720 down year. It's a contract situation, not that he wouldn't 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.400 be motivated every single season, but I like the direction 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.320 their offense is going to take, and I'm looking at 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.000 the total balance of his career and still considering him 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.600 smack in the middle of his prime, and the fact 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.360 that Mahomes is coming off this injury is enough for 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.079 me to look at the rest of the quarterbacks and 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.480 think no one's done enough for me to pass Lamar 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.680 Jackson on my overall list, And so I'm still going 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:58.719 to put Lamar number two. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:09:59.280 What do you think? 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.280 Yeah, I think it's totally valid. I mean, he's obviously 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.520 in that conversation he was three for me. But I 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.720 mean I also went back and forth between me and Mahomes. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.719 You know, obviously Mahomes the injury, how do you dig 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.400 that into account. I'm a little bit worried about Lamar 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.280 and just how much his body's gonna hold up. But 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.800 I've also been here before in twenty twenty one, I 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.520 believe it was We're a little bit Ooh, what's that 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.200 going to look like? Moving forward with him? Like is 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.000 he going to be able to stay healthy? The way 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.240 that he plays and his adaptability is probably one of 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.800 the more underrated aspects of who he is as a player. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.680 His ability to more from one system under Greg Roman 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.360 to a new system under Todd Munkin, and different things 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.320 that they asked him to do. He's always been a 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.240 more complete player than he's billed as. And I think 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.680 his ability to I mean, for a while, he was 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.720 like his rushing was as threatening as his passing and 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.560 then he just moved away from that, not being that 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.600 type of player anymore, and he's still like a great athlete, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.240 but he just changed his style to protect himself more 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.560 after that season, and you get way less of those moments. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.800 So I think that part of it for him, I mean, 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.800 is a big plus in his favor. I would say 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.640 he's you can make a case also though I think 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.000 the coaching situation has been better. Their talent's also fallen 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.520 off a little bit in Baltimore, and he's not necessarily 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.160 been surrounded by elite guys either, and last year the 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.280 offensive line play really knows dived, So I'm really curious 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.280 to see him in the new system. Could be an 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.400 MVP caliber season again for him, the way that he 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.920 just when you think maybe he's on his downside, the 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.720 way he bounces back, because he is such an adaptable player. Yeah, definitely, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.160 clearly in this conversation, no doubt. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.440 It's partly a hunch that he's got one more great 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.880 rushing season in him still, and that to me, he's 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.040 got another MVP caliber type of season in him still, 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.160 and I think this season would make a lot of 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.240 sense for that to happen with that new system. Maybe 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.520 I'm buying the offseason hype a little too much that 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.280 he's like into Decklan Doyle and everything. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.760 All right, you're up with three. I think you telegraph 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:52.480 that you're going mind. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.960 I did tip my hands to Momes. Yeah, and I'm 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.240 still gonna go with him. Maybe I'm a coward. I 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.320 don't know, but I am sort of with you in that, Like, 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.160 has anybody really done enough to like actually sway me 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.360 off the top three? Probably not. I mean, you could 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.080 certainly make an argument, but it's mostly belief based in 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.679 Drake May. And certainly we're saying, oh, for twenty twenty six, 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.160 we don't really even know healthy Mahomes is gonna be, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.480 Like at the beginning, I tend to think he will be, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.440 but you know, just based on the reporting that we 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.160 do have out there, but you know, if he isn't that, 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.480 I mean, I think that does open the conversation for 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.719 Drake May. I still feel like I think the situation 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:31.800 around Mahomes really has been devolving for some time, and 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:33.840 I think that caught up with them along with his 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.360 health obviously, but I think that really caught up with 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.360 them last season to where they had basically been like 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.880 Mahomes save us for a while, I think, in a 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.920 lot of different directions, and really their star players Kelsey, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.880 Chris Jones, Patrick Mahomes. And when those players weren't stars anymore, 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.080 couldn't be, or were injured or fall it fell off 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.840 a little bit. There was just a lot of flaws 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.199 revealed that they hadn't actually done this unbelievable job team building, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.440 but they just had best quarterback, may be, the best 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.640 tight end, one of the best defensive tackles, best head 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.840 coach or in the conversation, best defensive coordinator in the conversation, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.199 like their cream of the crop was like as good 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.280 as it gets basically, and then after that the rest 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.120 of things really fell off. So as soon as there 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.760 was any type of decrease there, even in terms of 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.680 ingenuity and creativity for me and you read, whatever it 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.480 might be, I think they all felt the effect of that. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.840 To me, Mahomes is the most likely of all those 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.000 factors to still be at the peak of his power. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.120 So if they can get to the point, I still 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.280 think it's a huge question mark. By the way, if 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.400 they can get to the point where they have rebuilt 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.160 things around him a little bit I think he's still 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.800 going to be in all these Super Bowl conversations. I 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.120 don't think many people are thinking that he's really falling off. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.400 So maybe I'm making a case that doesn't necessarily need 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.720 to be made, but he would still be my number 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.880 three guy. But I just think what's really happened in 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.520 this top tier is you've seen the gap close between 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.920 those guys and other people entering the conversation. And I 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.240 also think we're on the precipice of perhaps a big turnover. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.560 Maybe we'll see if it's this season or it's next, 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.520 but I think we could be on the precipice of 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.800 major change. I thought maybe we were going to get 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.240 there last year. I don't know if we quite got 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.440 there other than Drake Mayo. I'm sure we'll talk about 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.840 here soon, but I think that we could be on 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.280 the precipice of that with some of these recent QB drafts. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.040 So I struggled with Mahomes in this exercise because for 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:23.360 this season, I maybe it's just my like old thinking. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.560 I know acls aren't what they used to be, but. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:31.040 I saw enough last season before the injury that it 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.480 does worry me just a little bit that he was 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.480 playing his worst football of his career, or the offense 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.680 was as bad as it was. I think he actually 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.480 played really well the first nine to ten games of 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.800 the season. But if you look down the stretch, he 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.880 had a couple performances against it was the Texans, Bills, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.720 and Broncos, whereas like ten points, thirteen points, thirteen points, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.040 even the game that he got hurt against the Chargers, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.840 they were lost in that game. So those are four 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.440 playoff teams he played down the stretch, and like he 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.240 was a little lost in those games like one, you know, 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.280 fifty two percent completion, one touchdown, six interceptions. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.560 I know those aren't the end, I'll be all. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.440 He looked better than that, and it was the offense 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.760 collapsing around him, but it did happen at what felt 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.520 like his lowest moment as a pro, even when he 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.360 was out there healthy. So when you're comparing him and 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.480 now it's been a couple of years where the numbers 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.640 have been a little down, I'm curious when you watch 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.880 on film, like, look, the last two healthy seasons, he 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.600 was very good, but he finishes like, you know, sixth 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.120 and seventh in MVP race. It's not quite the same 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.200 like firestarter that he opens his career. Is there anything 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.960 from him specifically, not his surroundings that you see as 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.200 different or concerning compared to the quarterback you saw when 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:43.280 he first got into the league. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.520 I think there's still I think he's he dis evolves 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.280 to hero mode, I would say, and there is less 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.600 around him, so that's more frequent, and I think it's 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.720 just generally a hard way to survive. He I mean, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.360 we talked about this with Russell Wilson when we talk 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.440 about his career, and obviously Mahomes I think is a 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.480 more talented player than Russell Wilson and playing within the structure, 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.760 but when the pieces devolved around you the way they 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.640 have homes and you have to go to hero mode 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.040 more often, the recklessness starts to come out. Some of 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.440 the shots that he's taken start to come out. So 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.680 whether it's taking sacks or just in general more pressure, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.400 drop backs, those sorts of things. I think he creates 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.080 a lot of that stuff by trying to go into 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.120 hero mode to wake up for the fact that, yeah, 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.480 they can't play against every type of defense the way 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.360 that they used to. They don't have guys that separate 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.000 against top players and coverage the way that they used to, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.320 So he doesn't have some of the go to things 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.560 that he's had in the past in the structure of 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.600 the offense, so they've had to adapt, So he's had 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.080 to adapt by playing more hero ball, and in general 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.160 their offense has lacked explosiveness in the past game. And 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.280 then the biggest thing is the run game also not 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.200 being so he's not able to do much off of 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.000 the run game, which now, especially as the league's evolved, 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.440 right the Chiefs were like at the peak of their 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.040 powers and all these RPOs and right running this offense 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.160 from the gun and like that was really efficient for them. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.600 When they go under center, they just have not had 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.760 a great offense. And that's just a really hard way 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.480 to life because everybody right now the last couple of 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.200 years is building these really successful offenses for the most part, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.640 has this big under center game, and the Chiefs haven't 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.840 been able to be consistently dominant in that capacity. So 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.639 some of that's affected him and just the overall ability 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.920 of him to play with instructure. When you think about 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.600 going under center and pure dropback football, you're thinking a 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.160 lot about structured passing attack, and that's just not been 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.320 where the chief The Chiefs just haven't had the talent 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:25.640 to be able to do it. I don't think they've 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.200 even had the coaching to be honest, to be able 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.960 to evolve. And I think that can be in there, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.000 but it just hasn't been, and he suffered as a 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.399 result of that, and some of his worst tendencies have 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:33.879 come out. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.840 He's such an interesting career arc right now, and the 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.040 longer it's gone on, I started to think, could he 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:43.160 have like a Dan Marino like career art? Because I've 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.080 said about Mahomes since the day he entered the league, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.760 this is the best player I've ever seen enter the league. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.680 It's the best quarterback I've ever seen enter the league 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.359 in terms of what he is producing on the field 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.080 from the minute he started playing. And then I started 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.680 to thinking, over the last twenty years, who's had an 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.800 arc like this where it's now a three year period 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:03.800 where it is it's still completely excellent, but it's down 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.959 a little bit like Manning and Brading breath like they 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.639 didn't really have like three year stretches like that. And 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.959 I started thinking, like, could he have a Marino like arc? 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.280 Where Marino is one of, if not the greatest quarterbacks 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.520 of all time in his first five seasons of his career, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.720 and he was still an all time great the rest 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.360 of the way, but not at that level. I think 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.440 Mahomes will bounce back and get to his previous heights 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:27.920 in different ways. I don't think this is the year 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.640 to do it. So I had a handful of guys 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.399 ahead of him just because of the injury. I was 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.400 afraid that leaves us to four. You've been saying Drake 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.040 May Nate Tice, I saw took him third overall in 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.120 his in his QB draft, And maybe I'm just negging 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.920 myself because I'm a Patriots fan. I've always been a 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.200 Drake May guy. But I wrote down Joe Burrow ahead 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.080 of Drake May for this season alone, just because I 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.119 want to see May back it up do it again, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:57.320 and because I'm really high on Burrow this season specifically. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.520 I mean, we kind of know who Joe Burrow is 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.080 at this point. He will kill you if you keep 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.720 him clean, period, and he has maybe become, you know, 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:13.760 similar to to Stafford, like he's he's been better lately. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.919 When you blitz him, he was holding the ball a 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.439 little longer. I mean he has a very specific style 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.239 of play. Although it's been very interesting. John, I just 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.960 I just listened to this this morning, hearing that they've 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.600 worked way more on under center plays this year. We'll 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.800 see if they actually do it, but in the off season. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.760 That is western the off season if they're saying, yeah. 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.840 I know, Look, he was great, like capital G. Gray 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.320 in a couple of those games against the Bills and 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.320 the Ravens. He also had some stinkers. He killed the 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.200 bad teams late last year. I think he's going to 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.879 have a great season, and and maybe I think May's 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.960 ceiling is higher. But in terms of like feeling comfortable 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:52.600 that Joe Burrow is going to have a great season, 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.440 as long as he's out there, I'm gonna go Joe 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:55.000 Burrow forth. 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.320 I mean, it's totally fair. It's really just a question 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.000 to me, honestly, of health with Joe Burrow. I mean, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.520 you just had these three seasons, you know, way lead 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.119 by injury to some extent and consistency aspects. But you know, 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.200 you're assuming going to next season it's all healthy. What's 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:11.800 it going to look like? You know, what's this his 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:12.840 age thirty season? 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:13.040 I think? 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.240 Is that right? Yeah? So you know how much of 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.439 that is there going to be a falloff after all 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.360 these injuries, But he was, you know, maybe the best 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.800 quarterback in the league. Certainly in that conversation in twenty 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.320 twenty four, I thought he played at that dominant of 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.159 a level statistically was obviously awesome. But then when you 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.720 take into consideration the tape aspect of this too, greg 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.520 that he's playing the game on the highest setting of difficulty. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.880 Now he prefers to play it that way. There might 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.159 be way ways for his team to be more successful 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.240 if they play structure things a little bit differently, and 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.359 you referenced under center, more structured play from under center, 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.800 and that would hopefully allow them to lean somewhat on 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.080 some semblance of a run game and just having more 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.400 versatility in their offense, having more unpredictability. They just don't 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.080 run that much. There's not that big of a menu. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.479 They are saved by their talent. That's how he prefers 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.159 to play. So it's not necessarily a shot at the 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.760 coaching staff. That's how Joe Burrow prefers to play. He's 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.399 excellent at it. Would he be as good at a 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.919 system that was less difficult in some ways? That's a 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.040 goodee question to ask, But that's sort of where you 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.520 get to with Burrow. But I think hopefully we learn that. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.000 Imagine if he is, by the way, that would be fascinating, 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.480 because the whole offense, the whole team, it is really 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.520 just Burrow in the passing attack, and then everything else 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.040 is kind of like ho hum or, you know, not 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.240 good somewhere in there in that range. And I think 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.840 him individually, I've said for a long time, like, I 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.119 think you absolutely can make the case that in several 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.120 given years of his career he's been the best guy. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.000 And he's been great in big moments too, which matter 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.639 a lot as well. So I'm totally good with this pick. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.440 I've considered him underrated sort of, you know, although it 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.399 usually in this conversation for some time, it's really just 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:48.960 a matter of what you think about physically, where he's going, 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.439 where you think about the fact that this offense hasn't 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.720 had a lot of evolution to it. Does he want 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.840 to evolve? If he doesn't, does that mean that there's 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:58.840 just more going to go downhill from here? As we've 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.000 seen defensive all more and their success sort of tank. 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:04.439 Even when he's been good you mentioned him being up 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.200 on bad teams, Like, I think there's real questions about 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.920 that part of it in the league. What's the sustainability 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.560 of it as good as he is at it, So 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:14.840 that would be my big question for it. But in 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.520 terms of the individual player, I absolutely love Joe Burrow. 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.080 Yeah, it's partly a bed on twenty twenty six. And look, 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.240 if it really was my team, maybe I probably would 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.639 take Drake May. And yet, like, I think he'd be 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.320 a great MVP pick. I'm sure there's not that long 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:33.080 odds this year. I do feel that he is set 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.159 up and I do feel a little more comfortable that, 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.080 you know, he's at his age thirty season, as long 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.239 as he stays healthy, which is a big if I 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.360 trust him just a little bit more than Drake May 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:45.720 still see new things. 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:47.560 Is Drake May your pick at number five? 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.240 He is my pick? Yeah, And I think there's six 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.240 guys in this tier and we'll see if you pick 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.080 the sixth guy to having this tier. But I think 0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:00.199 that Drake May, you could make arguments from kind of 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.639 all over this tier, I would say, to a degree, 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.320 but he's gonna be my pick here. I just felt 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.880 like poise for him, considering the fact that I don't 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:11.760 think he was like he had unbelievable production, and especially 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.439 because he got pummeled the second half his rookie season, 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:16.600 and then to go in and play the way he did, 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:18.600 to make the amount of throws under dress that he did, 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:20.560 and yes, he brings some of that on himself. I 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:22.920 think decision making and pocket presence or the areas the 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.920 big areas he needs to improve on. That's not that abnormal, 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.119 I would say for a quarterback in his place, and 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.760 he's already way better at those things than most guys 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:35.040 his HR. So I just think downfield accuracy, big play creation. 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.960 The fact that his legs are a legit asset doesn't 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:39.880 probably get talked about enough. There's a lot to talk about, 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:41.760 so I get it. Ability to throw in the middle 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.159 of the field is in there. He can play in 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.680 different types of offenses and game situations. That's all really 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:48.600 really appealing to me. I think he just has the 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.159 skill set of a guy that's going to be an 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.320 elite quarterback in the league. I think we've been able 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.800 to see that, frankly for a while now. Ball placement 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.919 in accuracy to high degree of difficulty, locations, on the 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:01.280 field is a real sp actual special trait, and I 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.280 think he has that. So one of the top things 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:04.680 I look for in a quarterback is a lot of 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:05.920 the stuff that he are. A bunch of the top 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.320 things I look for a bunch of the things that 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:11.160 he has. And so, yeah, it wasn't pretty in the playoffs, 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.960 and it got real ugly in the super Bowl, obviously, 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.040 and that's part of how it goes at this position, 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.440 especially when you're young. But to get there at all, 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:20.720 with the type of team they had, he had to 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:24.040 be an absolute special player all season. So it's just 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.200 not outside the possibility that we're looking at this is 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.680 like he's the number one guy going into coming out 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.760 of this next season. When we do this show again 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.320 next year, like that could be where the conversation starts. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:34.880 So yeah, I just I don't want to go any 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:35.800 lower than this on him. 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:37.119 Yeah, I'm with you. 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.000 The part that I wouldn't say worries me, but so 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.399 many of the things he did felt like they were 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.840 almost impossible to do. Like he had the highest tight 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.159 window completion percentage in the league by far, it was 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:50.760 the third highest since twenty eighteen. 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.960 He was insane against the blitz. 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:57.040 He was insane against pressure until the offseason, where he 0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:01.199 had I think almost more turnovers in the playoffs against 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.240 pressure then he did all of the regular season. But 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.040 you know, completing seventy percent seventy two percent of his 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.359 passes while being fourth an average depth of target like 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.040 and just hitting throws at a crazy high rate down 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.280 the field, Like, it is crazy to combine that all 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:19.800 you could you could look at that, and you could 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.320 think about him versus Patrick Mahomes' twenty nineteen season. I 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:26.480 would put Mahomes ahead of it, but it's like not 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.280 that ahead of it, and that's why we like, wouldn't 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.399 be that crazy to take May first. 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:32.680 Overall. The problem is the playoffs. 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.800 The problem is you suck sort of like his worst 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.800 stretch of the season right after that. 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:38.479 But I'm excited. 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:42.399 I'm excited to see this next step and his value 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.200 that he brings running the ball is massive. You said, Okay, 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.880 you think it's a six person tier, which means you're 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:52.760 either rude enough to say the reigning MVP doesn't even 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:56.639 belong in the first tier, or you just disagree with 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.800 my pick of Justin Herbert at six, because I'm taking 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:03.080 Herbert here. I don't care Matthew Stafford. He's getting up 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.440 there in years. Okay, it's to me, it's all one 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.719 big tier. The first seven I would have Stafford in it. Personally. 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.360 That playoff game was so bad out of Herbert, but man, 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:15.800 he was so good in the regular season. 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:17.600 I love the combination with Mike McDaniel. 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.240 I know we're trying to divorce the situation somewhat, but 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.840 he went deep more often, he held the ball more often. 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:27.520 He was pressured at the highest rate, and because he 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.000 was trying to make plays because that's what we've sort 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:31.360 of asked him to do, and I think he did 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:32.840 a pretty good job of that. 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.280 And the situation was brutal. 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.320 He faced the most quick pressures in the league, the 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.600 most unblocked pressures in the league. He was the first 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:44.520 quarterback since Deshaun Watson like eight years ago to face 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:46.840 the most amount of pressure and actually make the playoffs. 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:48.040 And so I give him a lot of credit for 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:51.040 that regular season. I think the arrow is just pointing up. 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.680 And a tiebreaker for these last three for me, between 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.480 you know, May and Herbert and Stafford was age was 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.960 a Dancy was like worrying about you know, possibly the 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:08.439 back injury for Stafford, but more importantly like mobility, and 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:10.680 so that that's enough where I think I'm just kind 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:12.000 of splitting hairs between those three. 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.760 I'm gonna take Herbert sixth overall. 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.119 He's tough for me, really tough. I've been a pretty 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.840 big Herbert sixth overall guy. But actually for me, he 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.320 went down to ninth, and I think you can make 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.560 a lot of arguments he kind of starts he's in 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:30.119 that beginning of the next tier for me. There's a 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.040 couple guys in the next year. He's in that next tier. 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.440 For me, I would say I have one more guy 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.120 in this in my top tier that you reference, Matt Stafford, 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.560 that we'll talk about here in a second when I 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:43.440 pick him. But yeah, just to talk about Herbert, I 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:45.879 am really I'm torn on him because you're right. He 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.240 was awesome in the regular season and awesome despite adverse 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:50.320 situations in the regular season, and that's been the story 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.240 of his career, right The offensive lines have been bad. 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.520 When they've been good, they've been hurt. Like it's just 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.000 over and over and over again. You're seeing kind of 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.520 some of the similar trends with him, and he yet 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.160 he served he's getting whooped on in the regular season. 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.080 I mean, it is brutal to watch, and statistically you're 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.399 not like necessarily always being wowed in terms of counting stats. 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.640 But if you watch the games, which I'm always saying, 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.720 watch the games, and you'll see how good Justin Herbert is. 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.080 And then the playoffs happen, and I just I'm at 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.000 the point Greg where I am like, not the person 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.960 at all. That's like, oh, let's go with the small 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.760 sample size. But the three playoff games he's played, yeah, 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.760 that's been really bad. And I'm just so I'm sort 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:28.600 of at that point where I don't want to move 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.199 away from him, which is why I'm still in this tier. Like, 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:31.720 I mean, he's still a top ten guy for me. 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.359 He's still one of the guys that I think is 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.439 the best in the league. Like obviously you have a 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.400 conversation with him. A lot of places in these rankings 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.160 depending on what you think of stafford in health if 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:41.920 you're thinking long term, like he would be a guy 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:43.640 that a lot of people would want to start the 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.800 franchise with. And I see all that. I think it's 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:47.400 in there. I just don't know why he doesn't play 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.640 that way in the playoffs. I mean, his this last 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:53.040 playoff game was just unbelievably bad, and the situation around 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:56.320 him is definitely tough, but it wasn't impossible to figure 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.640 out he genuinely looked like I mean, we're going to 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:00.400 talk about CJ. Stroud at some point too, and it 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.760 was like those guys just had meltdown performances. And with Herbert, 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.680 it's like, I'm like trying to figure out whether he 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:08.520 can ever get to the level of player that he 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.640 needs to be to carry a team that doesn't have 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.240 everything right. We were waiting every year for the Chargers 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.680 to get everything right around him, and at some point 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:18.840 I have to be like, well, can you have any 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.160 success in the postseason when that isn't the case, because yeah, 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.200 they haven't had perfect situations in the O line, neither 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:27.959 neither did Drake May and neither did the Pagers. Yet 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:29.960 you find ways and I think they're well coached. I 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.200 think all these other things are these other excuses that 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.480 it maybe exists in the past, aren't there right now. 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:36.440 So I'm just waiting for him to prove that he 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.640 belongs to in the tier with these other guys. I 0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:40.520 think I think you can say he's top of the 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.320 next tier in my mind, and I'm like, yeah, totally 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:43.720 get it. I have two guys out of him that 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.120 I think there's an absolutely in that next tier that 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.720 I think there's an absolute argument for. I would just 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.160 say with him, I think that if he's going to 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:52.760 be in the top tier, I have to be able 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.160 to I can't point to the postseason and say, you 0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.120 were one of the worst playoff quarterbacks I've seen. And 0:29:58.200 --> 0:29:59.960 that's tough. Three times, that's tough. 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:02.920 Yeah, it's tough. 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:08.480 I NFL history players that have shown his level of 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.920 regular season play, The history of it is just like 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:12.320 it'll click at some point. 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.200 Maybe it was a little bit of a mental thing. 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.680 He was like over over correcting, trying not to make 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.840 a mistake, and then started to make more mistakes because 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.840 of that holding on to the ball. It wasn't great 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.320 and yet, but I would say, yes, I think he'll 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.920 be able to make things work and well, because I've 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.360 seen it. To me, it's a better sample size over 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.160 the sixteen games. Winning eleven games repeatedly with a lot 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.720 of the things that's been going on around him has 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:37.320 proven it to me. 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.760 And it's the mobility. I want a quarterback that can run. 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.640 And yet I do feel like we're going to get 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.760 some angry rams fans that Stafford here at number seven. 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.400 Stafford's my next guy. I actually had him at I 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:51.680 had him fifth. I mean I had Burrows sixth. But 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.120 they're all in the same tier, and I think you 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.280 can certainly make an argument for their anyway, and I 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.120 won't fight you. The reason for me was Stafford. I 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.600 didn't think it was unbelievable in the playoffs on the stretch, 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.560 like as much as he's been maybe in the past playoffs, 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:04.920 but I still think the. 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.120 Versus the Seahawks, I will not I will not mark 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.520 him down at allfer that Seahawcks gave the Ed more. 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.040 He had something like more deep yardage in that game 0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:16.720 than any quarterback or one of the biggest ones of 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:18.240 the last like eight or nine years. 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.960 The beginning of that game, I was like, uh oh, 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:22.520 like we might be at the end, and then he 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:26.120 just rallied and made like six unreal throws and it 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.320 was maybe like the full best game. But the throws 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:29.720 he did make for and saying, and that's where you 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:31.960 get to with him, were just the accuracy to high 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.840 degree difficulty, parts of the field, and the mental stuff 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.280 you trust with him. So as long as that's still 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.040 the case, I worry less about unless he has an 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.440 injury that actually keeps him from playing. I worry less 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.560 about physical drop off and decline because I physical drop 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.760 off and decline doesn't usually affect the arm strength of 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.080 a quarterback unless there's an injury involved. You know, you 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:53.239 think of Peyton Manning, Drew Brees better outspurt. All these 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.440 guys had injuries that eventually led to some of that falloff. 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.440 It wasn't necessarily just like, oh they got old in 0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.719 their arms, they still being able to throw the ad Like, 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.160 I don't think that's gonna happen with Matt Stafford. So 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:07.040 obviously you worry some about injuries with anybody court player 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:08.960 gets older. But he realized it missed that much time, 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.320 Like I mean, you know, he's I think still accuracy wise, 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:16.120 high degree difficulty throws down the field, the whole field 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.680 being open to him at any point, play action, pure 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.800 drop back. He can play within an offensive system that's 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.760 proven to be extremely successful in the league, and adapt 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.960 within the system as well. Mental aptitude, leadership. I think 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.640 all these things are in place, and he's not unbelievable athlete, 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.320 and I think but I think they've obviously he's been 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.120 one of the best situations in the league his whole 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.720 entire time he's been with the Rams, that's basically been 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.400 the case. So there's a lot going for him, but 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.480 also there's a lot asked of him too, Like this 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.680 isn't a cookie cutter offense that doesn't ask things of him. 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.440 They ask tough things of him, and he delivers tough things. 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.560 So to me, he's definitely in that Tier one conversation, 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.640 and I think in a given playoff run stretch of football, 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.040 you can really make it argument he's the best guy 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.360 in the league. I mean, obviously MVP speaks to that 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.360 as well, so I think because of that, he still 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:07.520 remains in this tier, although with him the downside perhaps 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:09.880 is more significant the other guys, even in a one 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:14.520 year because the injury component and just the always the 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.240 back and this and that, and the offseason this is happening, 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.640 and you know, retirement's looming, and you know this all 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:21.560 this kind of chatter that seems to follow him less 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.600 so this offseason, but you know, you would guess that 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:26.440 that is going to catch up at some point with him, 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.320 and so maybe it's a little bit of a risk 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.160 in that capacity, but if he's healthy, I have very 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:33.080 little question that he'll be one of the best quarterbacks 0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:33.520 in the league. 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.200 Agree, And yet I did try to remember, like, what 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.320 would I have thought last year coming into this point? 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.520 Would I have thought in twenty twenty four coming into 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.760 this point? And I do think it's okay to understand 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.960 that there's been ups and downs with Stafford within seasons 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.760 and generally going into seasons. I've never viewed him as 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:54.960 like a top five guy. He's always right on that edge, 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.000 Like I feel like I have him here at sixth 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.720 or seventh around where I'd have him most of the 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.360 last last handful of years. 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:02.520 And I'm not going. 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.680 Crazy changing it because of the MVP season, because that 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.360 was the best I've ever seen him play. And so 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.040 at thirty eight years old, is he going to stay 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:11.080 at that very high level? 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:11.600 Maybe he will. 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.400 I mean, Rogers was winning back to back MVPs around 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.640 this age, and Brady's still had about five more elite 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.879 years left at this age, so it's totally possible. And 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.520 I'm probably selling him short. And he has replaced Burrow. 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.080 I think as the guy that you're just most afraid 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.040 to blitz, the numbers against the blitz last year are 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:35.120 just like outrageous. For Matthew Stafford, he has seen it all. 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.160 All right, it's time for the offseason ride along, presented 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:42.680 by Toyota. I'm going to go with Dak Prescott next. 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:44.800 I'm sure he was in your group. 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.200 He was actually next for me. I mean I had him. 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:48.640 He was one of the guys I had ahead of 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.920 Herbert that I think is just really open for conversation, 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.520 I think, and I can see the pushback and yeah, 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.719 so's he was next for me too. I'm glad we 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:57.800 kind of see this similarly. 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.839 Yeah, I you just know what you're gonna get, and 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.360 you know you're gonna get a guy who is not 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:10.319 afraid to throw every possible route that's on the field. 0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.520 He attempted the most tight window throws in the NFL 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.600 that the Cowboys actually had the fewest amount of separation 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:17.839 on attempts, which is not surprising. 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:19.279 They use play action more. 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.000 I felt like he produced better in part because they 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.440 gave him a few more easy buttons, But it doesn't 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.920 change how next level he thinks of the game. He 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.320 is very much that old, you know, Peyton Manning style 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.799 of quarterback, which is great to still see in the league. 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.279 I mean, Matthew Stafford is very often that that type 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.279 of player too, And I just feel like I know 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.800 who Dak Prescott is. I can go win a super 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.799 Bowl with Dak Prescott, certainly if I have the right 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.399 support around him. If we can win one with Sam Darnold, John, 0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:52.279 you know, we can win a couple with Dak. 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:53.560 He just needs the help. 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.360 And I feel very comfortable when he drops back to 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.359 pass the decisions that he's going to make. 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.520 I do too, And I know that it's not always perfect, 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.960 but I think his accuracy, his timing when he's locked 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:09.880 in mentally and in the flow. He's a little bit 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.239 of a rhythm guy, but my gosh, is it good 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.720 when he's in the rhythm. Like I've seen him takeover games. 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.360 I've seen him dominate. I've seen him make high degree 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.040 difficulty throws down the field. I've everyone's gonna say, well, 0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:22.840 what about in the playoffs? Why hasn't he done in 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.759 the playoffs? And there's lots of reasons and answers, So 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.360 that's some At times, it has been his play. I 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.440 don't think he's been anywhere close to as bad as 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.000 some other guys in the playoffs. I also think that 0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:32.920 that's the conversation we're in. We're outside of the top 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.120 tier now for me, and so the conversation we're in 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.080 is guys that like, yeah, they haven't necessarily been utterly 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.399 dominant in the playoffs. They haven't won super Bowls or 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.600 maybe been the key reason for their team winning a 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.160 super Bowl. We'll get to some guys that have won 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.880 super Bowls, but we you know, they haven't answered that question. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.480 That question exists about their career. So for evaluating them 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.160 within the context of NFL history valid, but within the 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.040 context of this tier, Like, I just don't see it 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.520 as a compelling point. I think more about Okay, if 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.200 I can't have one of these in the elite tier, 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.080 then what am I getting? What kind of a player 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.080 do I want? I want someone who's cerebral. I want 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.680 someone who's accurate. I want someone who makes difficult throws 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.680 down the field. Now, you can raise questions about Dak 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.640 in other ways, like if you know when the protection 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.319 hasn't been great, has he relied on his legs enough, 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.000 has he played to his athleticism enough, when he's at 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.759 his best, he does he does do those things. So 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.360 I again I have seen those things with him. Is 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.239 there inconsistencies at times? Sometimes? Is there? You know, he 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.719 he gets a little bit I think risk taking in 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:32.920 some of the throws that he takes, and maybe he 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.480 doesn't make all these the best decisions in certain ruts. 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.239 Again when he gets into his play, that's possible. But 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:42.960 I think you don't have many consistently bad habits with 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.680 Dak that you're just gonna every single game. He's just 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.000 outside the structure of what you're doing, like some of 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.560 these other guys who have maybe better peaks than Dak, 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.520 but like the downside is just so much worse. Dak 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:55.960 is going to have you in that thing every year 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.120 if he's healthy and if the rest of your team 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.480 is competent, and there's just not a lot of that 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.279 you can say that about like he individually is that 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:04.920 good when you know he's had been banged up two 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.640 at times? So I still feel like as much as 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.360 we've moved around, I think he's been eight nine, seven, 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.200 somewhere in the seven to ten range for me basically 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.680 every year since he really got onto the map, So 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.840 I still feel pretty strongly about him being in this group. 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.640 Yeah, it's crazy to think how good he was immediately, 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.240 and he's obviously developed and matured. 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:25.960 As a player. 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:27.840 And look he was he was second in the MVP 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.799 just what three seasons ago and last season he has 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.719 one of the most productive offenses when he's out there, 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.920 and I'm excited because I do think he's getting more 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.160 help from the coaching staff. I like this marriage with 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.440 Brian Schottenheimer. And that was the off season ride along 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:45.239 presented by Toyota because when people are the destination, your 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:49.040 ride is important. Learn more at Toyota dot com and 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.239 find the vehicle that fits your people. So you said 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:53.719 you had like a little group of three, You had 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.080 a couple guys ahead of Herbert, and I want you 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.560 to disagree. Don't don't be happy that you see things 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.279 the same way with me as Dak tell me that 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.200 I'm an idiot, that I got Herbert way too high. 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.480 Well, yeah, I might have needed reassurance on that one 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:08.000 because I was like, I'm like this tier, it's hard 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:09.960 to sort out. But I just feel better about how 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.560 Dak's performed in big moments postseas. I think I trust 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:14.600 him a little more than I do Herbert. So I 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.160 know you have Herbert, I have I have Jordan love 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.279 between Dak and Herbert for me, so he would be 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:23.799 so he'd be eighth for me. And this is what 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:25.360 I'm torn onto. I mean, I didn't see it with 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.239 Dak as a prospect, this this quarterback ranking. Basically, by 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:29.480 the way, when you asked me to do this, it's 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.279 funny because it's just littered with all the players I 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.399 was too low. I'm pre drafted. Now they're only leading 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.719 players like Dak. I mean, obviously nobody saw that one 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.080 coming to Josh Allen, Dustin, Herbert, like none of these 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.560 guys I thought were like unbelievable in college. Jordan loves 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.800 another one of those guys. But I've just really been impressed. 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.400 I think the poise that he shows too. I think 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.560 the fact that he avoids negative plays to the degree 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.920 that he does is really compelling to me. Gives his 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:54.279 team a fighting chance. I think when they've if they 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.879 had been able to stay healthy this season, we might 0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:00.239 be singing even a higher song than this one about 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.759 his ranking. I really think that because I don't think 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:06.279 he individually has been like usually the reason for why 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.359 they have struggled as a team. I think, honestly, they 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.880 got pretty banged up last year, pretty unlucky. They had 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.320 a window to really do something and it sort of 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:14.920 fell apart for them with some of the injuries to 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:18.200 Craft and Parsons and others. But I think with him, 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.960 the thing that impresses me the most is you can 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:22.680 design an offense. And this is big I'm going to 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:24.520 emphasize this. With a lot of these guys that are 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.319 in this next group. You can design an offense around them, 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.680 and they consistently play within the structure of the offense, 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:33.400 and they can make high degree difficulty plays and between 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.560 all those things. Are there issues at times? Are there 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.000 foibles at times? Do you have with them sometimes? Do 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.080 they make questionable decisions and risk taking things to the ball? Yes, 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.279 there's some of that with all these guys. But I 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.760 would rather have the combination of high end potential, even 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.080 for a run, that you get from guys who can 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.200 be creators and make high degree difficulty throws in plays 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.680 within an offense, and that consistently keep their offense on 0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:57.920 schedule and play within the structure of the offense and 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.279 are constantly trying to go into hero mode, constantly trying 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:01.839 to get away from what their coach has told him 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.680 to do, constantly trying to create outside of what the 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:06.600 rest of the team, the other ten on the field 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.040 are doing, and just playing in their own world. There's 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.560 guys who are great talents, but they don't consistently play 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.200 that way. Jordan Love's ability to actually buy into a system, 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.440 master the system mentally work to the degree that he 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.279 does that has been the thing that's won me over 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.480 more so than the arm and the wild throws that 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.719 everybody talks about. He has those, certainly, but I knew 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.080 those were in there. It's the other stuff, the floor 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.680 just being way higher. I actually don't think he's that 0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:32.880 risky of a quarterback compared to like what his reputation 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:34.680 sometimes is. I know he's had some bad ones and 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.680 eygh profile moments, but I don't think he's like throwing 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:39.279 the ball to the other team ten times a game 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.799 kind of reckless in his game. So I just think 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:44.240 he's brought the floor up and that hasn't been acknowledged, 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.759 and maybe the ceiling isn't, you know, elite tier guy 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:48.719 in the league but I think the floor is pretty high, 0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:50.160 and I still think the ceiling's higher than a lot 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:50.680 of other guys. 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:53.760 I do have some knits to pick with that argument, 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.399 because to me, hey, the ceiling is that high. I mean, 0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.040 I do think he could put it all together and 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.640 and have an MVP top five type of run because 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:09.960 I think last year he really started to reduce his mistakes. 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.960 That was where I'm totally on board with you that 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:14.799 he was not a risk taker last year. 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.240 I thought he was a different quarterback in that way. 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.000 It shows up in the turnover where he played percentage, 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:24.239 but it just it showed up in my watching of 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.400 his film that I just thought he did not really 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.080 lose much of his big playmaking while just making much 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:31.880 better decisions. 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:33.560 And anyone that went. 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.759 To kill him for the playoffs, I mean he threw 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.319 four touchdowns in the playoffs. Like it was like for 0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.120 a bad relatively bad playoff game. It was like he 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:42.719 was not the reason that they lost. To me, he 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.960 was he was fine in that playoff game. He was 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.080 great on big plays last year. If he had the 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:51.040 best success rate and explosive play rate on third downs, 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.040 you know his EPA per play and success rate all 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.480 that QBR all that would you would put him right 0:42:56.520 --> 0:43:00.120 there with Stafford and May as the best like numbers, 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.880 just pure numbers in the league, and I think context 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.400 it's okay to add to that. Probably the biggest context 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.040 I would add, and this is what he needs to do, 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.160 I think to get to that elite here, more than 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.719 anything is he was a lot worse under pressure last year, 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.560 Like you think Jared Goff is kind of the example 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.480 of the guy whose numbers get significantly worse under pressure. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.560 Everyone's pressure numbers get worse, but it's even more dramatic 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.279 for golf. Love was probably the most dramatic guy in 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:27.680 the entire NFL last season. Not sure why that is exactly. 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:29.719 It's a lot of just holding onto the ball and 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.160 throwing it away and just hoping something happens. Maybe it's 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.839 just a tick slower processing than maybe some of the 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:41.760 top guys. He wasn't making catastrophic plays, but basically if 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.760 you got near him, he turned into a below average 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:46.759 quarterback last year. 0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.960 Yeah. That The plus with him is that you don't 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.319 see him take a lot of sacks. The negative with 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:55.960 him is that I don't think he's a great creator 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:58.120 Outside of structure, and I think that's where a lot 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.719 of people thought the tools would be always his great 0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:02.920 But he's not been a great or will or very 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.279 willing scrambler, and I have questions about that. And I 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.480 have questions about just when he does have to go 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.479 into a hero mode and sort of make those types 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.000 of big end plays outside the pocket, things like that. 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.000 Can he be that guy consistently? I think is a 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:16.359 valid question with him. So I agree with you. Now, 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.040 he's pretty good at staying. I mean, last year's offensive 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.480 line situation probably is under discussed in Green Bay, and 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.280 even this year moving into the season, I have major 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.719 questions about that group. There are some real questions in 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.080 Green Bay. It might not be talked about enough. But 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:31.520 I would say that just his ability, I mean, the 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:33.759 turnover wheth they play, number coming down this past season, 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.160 the percentage of him, just the fact that he's not, 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.160 throughout any season of his career been a guy who 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.359 takes a ton of sacks or puts his team behind 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:41.960 the sticks in a lot of ways. Gives his team 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.439 more of a chance to sustain drives, and I think 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:46.920 is a big reason why their offense is always elite. 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:48.839 The floor is a big part of that. Jordan loves 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:50.360 a big part of that. Their offense is always one 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.440 of the best in the league. Health has been a factor, 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.120 Lots of other things have been a factor for them, 0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:57.640 but this range, I feel really comfortable taking Jordan Love here. 0:44:57.719 --> 0:44:59.279 I never thought that would be the case when they 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.880 drafted him. So another success story we didn't see coming this. 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.720 The top ten is littered with these greg It's pretty awesome. 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:05.960 Yeah. 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.920 I liked the Love pick when they made it, and 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.839 I liked even the process of it, and even then, 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.520 after watching him in his first couple of preseasons, I'm 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:19.439 stunned because he was a different player early in his career, 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:22.799 and it does show you for some quarterbacks, man, this 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:26.160 sort of development path can still help you a lot. 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:27.600 I don't think his career would be the same if 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:31.719 he had to play early. He's doing the nineteen seventies 0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.400 nineteen eighties mold, where I think it really helped him out. 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:36.160 This so, to me, I thought it was a very 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.480 clear top nine. At least for me, that was it. 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:43.400 We've taken those nine and I felt like it was 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:45.760 a pretty big drop off and that the draft almost 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.480 starts at ten, and I just have massive question marks 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.560 next to the guy I wrote down at number ten, 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:55.359 and I feel a little cheapish about it because I 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:59.120 have to just come to terms with the fact, John, 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.279 there's a big state for me that I've become a 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:06.839 brock pretty guy. I know you're not gonna like it. 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.160 I know plenty of people aren't gonna like it. I 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:10.920 don't care. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.440 my what my heart is telling me right now. I 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:17.120 think he's dialed back his mistakes quite a bit. He 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:21.360 was holding the ball a lot longer while taking less sacks. 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.600 The numbers are obviously ridiculous, and I know that's very 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.160 scheme dependent. Like he's second in QBR, he's always first 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:32.000 or second, and EPA per play success rate last year was, 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:36.719 you know, incredible. I know Jimmy Garoppolo had all those 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:39.480 numbers too. My eyes tell me something different, that something 0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.440 different is happening here, and that he's gotten significantly better 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:47.800 each season in terms of his processing, his ability to 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:52.000 give you a little extra by making plays and in 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:56.960 a different way than Dak Prescott. I feel pretty comfortable, 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.880 and ultimately that was the tiebreaker between him and then 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:02.960 four or five guys who I have all very close, Like, 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:05.880 I feel good about what he's going to give me 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:07.680 on a week to week basis. And I don't think 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:11.160 we give him the grace because he was a seventh 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.839 round pick that he's a young player. That's I think 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:18.080 consistently improved each and every season, and I'm projecting that 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.120 improvement into this a little bit like seventh round picks 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:22.880 can continue to get better and better and better and 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.319 better too. And to me, his floor is high, and 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:28.280 I think the ceilings a little higher than other people 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.400 want to admit, especially people like myself who I was 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.240 not buying it in that quote unquote MVP campaign season 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.280 against Lamar Jackson. I think he's a significantly better player 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:39.919 right now than he was even two years ago. 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.200 I like brock Party, He's not quite this high for me, 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.480 but I think you can make an argument that he 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:48.480 should be maybe a little bit higher than where I 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:54.560 have him. I have him fifteenth. Here here's what I'd say, 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.400 Why isn't it Jared Goff? What and Jared Goff to 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:58.880 me is in the tier that you talked about, the 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.640 tier ending at nine. Why isn't Jared Goff? 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:02.839 Yeah, he's next on my list. 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.200 Okay, so he's next, So he'd be next for me obviously, 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:06.920 And I don't want to jump ahead too much, but 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:09.719 I don't need to talk about golf. Could But I 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:13.360 just thinking about golf compared to Purty and thinking about 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.080 a couple of different factors to me. Like for me, 0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:18.560 Jared Goff, I love the fact that he doesn't take 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:20.239 a ton of sacks, right Like I love the fact 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:22.360 that there's this quick release play within the structure of 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.920 the offense. Know your limitations, get out of there when 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.840 you need to. Yes, the physical tools are on anything amazing, 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.680 but the actoracy, the execution for years, the ability to 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:35.120 run high profile NFL offense that's proven to be successful 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:38.040 across the league, the ability to limit negative plays. I 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:40.279 think there's a couple of games, one or two games 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:41.920 every year where you see some of those pop up. 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.279 But for the most part, he's limited a lot of 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.440 the low end stuff and had a lot of the 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.000 high end stuff playing with the structure if they don't 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.239 have one of the unluckiest none of which was really 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:55.120 his fault playoff moments second albs that we've ever seen. 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:57.040 He's in the super Bowl for the second time, in 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.719 his career, Like he's proven it in the playoffs that 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.040 he can play like at that same level and like 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:04.640 at the moment isn't too big for him. So I 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:06.319 still have him in that tier with the other guys, 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.200 and I know that he's not sexy, and I know 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:09.759 that he's not a lot of people are looking for 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.239 Australia at this is the story you're scouting. But I 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.160 just think when you put on the tape, he gets it. 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.319 He freaking gets it done. And I really appreciate his 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.480 game way more than I thought I would a couple 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:21.000 of years ago when he finished with the Rams. 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.080 Look, he is exactly who everyone thinks he is. 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.160 He leads the league and in breaking routes there's a 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:32.000 ton of yak. The the numbers when he's clean are 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:33.359 just exceptional. 0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.319 I mean, he is going to kill you. Let's talk 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:37.400 about them together. 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.080 You could throw eleven up for Gough because I think 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:43.000 it's an interesting conversation just comparing the two of them. 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:47.200 The answer would be that I think Purty still has 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.400 levels to go. Potentially, I'm betting the little on a 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:52.800 mystery box where I feel like I know who Goff 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:56.640 is and then it's it's the creation, you know, it's 0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:59.120 it's the idea when things aren't going well, and things 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:01.239 were not going well for that forty nine Ers team 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:04.480 last year. I've really been impressed the last couple of 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.480 seasons when Perdy's been out there and healthy of his 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:11.480 ability to make those around him better. It is is 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:15.840 very close between those two, and goff is maybe a 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:17.840 little bit of a of a safer pick, but that 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.560 that's it, that he can. He's what Kyle Sanahan wanted, 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:22.800 which is, you know, a guy who can also create 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:23.680 some plays on his own. 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:27.840 And maybe you're maybe listeners are hearing the stylistic differences 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:29.520 maybe between a little bit of what we gravitated to, 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.080 because you're one hundred percent right, Brock Purty obviously way 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.320 better out of structure than Jared Goff is, and I 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.000 would say Jared Goff way better within the structure. I 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:40.280 think I gravitated first toward that guy because I trust 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.279 that guy to get it done within the structure without 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.520 needing to play in this creation mode. And I think 0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:47.640 with Perty he definitely can play in the creation mode 0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.239 more I worry that he stays there too often. Last 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.640 year's Time to Throw has me really scared just throughout 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.319 his career in some ways as he's played more and 0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:57.200 some of that has been you know, I think it 0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:58.680 was it was a mixed bag a little bit in 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:00.360 twenty twenty four last year he's banged up, and then 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:03.319 when he did play there's obviously really good things about 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.520 I played in the regular season. I worry about the 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.000 turner where he plays those can come in bunches for him. 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.399 The percentage of times where he gets all the other team. 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:12.760 I don't trust him to the degree that I trust 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.680 Jared Goff. And then he does a great job of 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.719 avoiding sacks, which I love about him. He really can't 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:22.600 create like he is a really fun player to watch 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:24.879 in a lot of ways, he's more exciting to watch, 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:26.880 and I think because he is this kind of I 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.880 don't want to say boring personalty, but just kind of 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:30.560 like he's not a like you don't put the mic 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.239 in front of him and I'm like, oh man, this guy, 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:36.280 let's go. Like, but the way he plays is really compelling, 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:39.440 I think from a viewership perspective. But then I mean 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.319 the three point twenty two second time to throw, like 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.200 it's just like that was where he lived last year. 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:47.239 And that's what happens with Jake Ton just as your 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:47.839 number one. 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.960 I mean, I hear you that he gets helped so 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:54.000 much by the scheme, but I also think, you know, 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:57.160 it should be recognized that like Pearce all is in 0:51:57.239 --> 0:51:59.400 and out last year, Kit Kit Kittle, I guess it 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:01.600 was in it out. It wasn't until the end of 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:04.400 the year that he was out out. You know, you 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.040 have Juwan Jennings a little in and out last year. 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:09.160 I mean, for for a part of the season, it 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.560 was really Mac Jones making Kendrick Bourne happen. But I 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:14.000 think that was part of the reason why he's holding 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:15.719 on to the ball too long. And I think some 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:17.759 of the things you can knock him for, like we 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:19.520 could talk about with Caleb, who I'm sure is going 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:23.160 to come up fairly soon too, And uh yeah, I 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:25.920 think that's it. But the fact that for the most part, 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.080 I think he's gotten better at being a little safer, 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:30.239 but maybe you're right that he gets a little too 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.359 much dip on his chip every now and then. 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:34.960 And both are really good. I mean they're probably in 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.440 these conversation of quarterbacks that you're like, well, can they 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:40.440 ever can their good peaks, are they enough basically to 0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:42.160 get you to the top. And that's been the question 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.480 with Perdy because when the Niners have been good, and 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:46.600 it'll probably continue to be the question with Jared Goff. 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:49.560 Obviously mcveighen thinks so moved to Matt Stafford. Certainly in 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.759 many ways he was right out of Stafford Hire. He's 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:53.640 a better player than Golf. But I think the idea 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:55.799 that Goff's still like still where he's gotten to in 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.480 his career has been pretty unbelievable to me, considering there 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.440 are these like very clear limitations with this game. They're like, 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.200 he can't play all the different ways, and so to me, 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:08.760 the accuracy, but then also the functional execution within the offense. 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:11.480 Now things can fall apart for Jared Goff two at times. 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:13.640 You know, it usually is one or two games a 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:17.440 season rather than just like these rash stretches of play. 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.040 But I I for like weeks and weeks and weeks 0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:22.359 on end. But I would say that when he's at 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.440 his best, which I think most of the time, he's 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.600 able to play his game in most of formats in 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.279 the league, you know, he's again we're talking about a 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.080 tier of quarterbacks that probably aren't like carrying your team 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.160 in the playoffs, but they're guys that you trust that 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.359 operate the offense at a really high level. Obviously, when 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:39.439 it's been his best in Detroit, it's been a really 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.640 good offense, and he operated that at an extremely high 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:45.719 and efficient level for several years, and last year they 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.960 fall upon hard times just kind of in general, but 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:49.800 I give him a lot of credit for his operation 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.080 of that offense and his ability to maximize that system. 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.120 It was really such a great marriage with him and 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.200 Ben Johnson in so many different ways. And now there's questions, 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.359 and they'll be questions again. I think he's proven kind 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.400 of who he is as a quarterback, and it's up 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:03.520 to if this is your guy, and there's not many 0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:05.000 guys better than them in the league. Even if you 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:06.839 want to say he's never going to be a top guy, 0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:08.520 and I think that's fair, I don't he'll never be 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.799 somebody that we talk about in tier one, whereas some 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:12.560 of these other guys, even ahead of him and maybe 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.000 behind him, have a clear chance to be a number one, 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:16.520 be it, to be in that top tier at some 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:18.839 point in their careers if they keep progressing. And that's 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.360 probably off the table for Jared Goff, but who he 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:23.520 is is something a lot of teams would have benefited. 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:25.560 And there's a lot of teams that could have won 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.480 and been in Super Bowls if they had a quarterback 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:30.480 as clean as him that ended up being postseason disappointments 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:32.719 because their guy wasn't up to the up to the 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.680 up to par the way that he's been. 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:37.600 I think even in the playoffs, it's all totally fair. 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:40.680 It's still wild to have traded away Matthew Stafford and 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:43.759 have a case for did we win that trade? You know, 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.440 for everything that it's set up for the Detroit Lions 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.960 and getting golf as not a throw in, but as 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.000 something that they basically didn't have to give up any 0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:54.719 value for because of his contract is incredible. I am 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.520 struggling here with my next pick. You know, you have 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.680 the class that twenty four guys and Caleb and Jayden 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:07.239 in the mix for this season and alone, I do 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.920 feel good about Trevor Lawrence. I've never been a Trevor 0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:15.600 Lawrence guy in general. Seventeen, even last season where it 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.600 was kind of a breakout season, how it ended, he 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.640 was seventeenth in success rate, below average and in completion 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:26.400 percentage over expected. In QBR the stat profile wasn't like incredible, 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:30.520 but the closing stretch was excellent. He was under pressure 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:32.799 a lot, and he takes sacks. I want to see 0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:36.239 it again, and yet I do have a feeling and 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.440 maybe I'm falling a little bit for the offseason. Oki 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:42.000 dooke that year two of Liam Cohen, it's gonna lock in. 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:47.200 He's never maybe had the quarterback instincts for lack of 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.319 a better word, that you want to see out of 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.480 your elite guy that he has to maybe be in 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:55.280 the right system. He is now in the right system, 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:56.640 and I think this is going to be a really 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:59.080 strong twenty twenty six for Trevor Lawrence. 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:03.120 Hmm, okay, a little bit of a difference here. I 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:07.719 have Trevor Lawrence seventeenth For me, I am a fan. 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:11.120 Last year the progress was exciting to me. I still 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:14.839 have some questions. I still think that he's less than 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:16.400 the sum of his parts, which has kind of been 0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.000 the story of his career so far, as like this 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.160 guy is all the talent in the world but just 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.920 doesn't quite hasn't quite put it together consistently. What happened 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:27.960 for Jacksonville with adding Liam Cohen, adding Jacoby Myers, Brenton 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:31.040 Strange's breakout, even with Brian Thomas having this down year, 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.200 Travis Cunner getting heard and not really being a huge 0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:36.960 offensive weapon right away, What's position is he going to play? 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:41.560 Even with that, I think that Trevor Lawrence the ability 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:44.279 that they had as an offense to open up the 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.080 middle of the field for him, and for the first 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.279 time in his career, he became a guy that would 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.640 confidently throw the ball between the numbers, between ash and 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:53.440 the middle of the field and make those throws with anticipation. 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:57.080 That is the most interesting thing to me with Trevor Lawrence. 0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:58.400 I think a lot of the other foibles in his 0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.359 game remained the same, and like you still has there's 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:04.280 still some recklessness to him at times. There's some panic 0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:06.479 to him at times, I think, and there's some things 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:09.640 I don't necessarily like. But if he becomes a guy 0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:11.840 who can off the play action, off the systems that 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:14.680 Liam Cohen creates, will now throw the ball to every 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:18.120 area of the field, my interest in him goes way 0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:20.600 up as a quarterback because I think he's going to 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:22.640 lock himself into being a tier two guys how I 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:24.880 put it basically, and then who knows from there where 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:26.280 it'll go if he can iron out some of the 0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:28.400 other things in his game. But for most of his 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:30.840 career he's just has never been consistent or confident thrown 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.520 in the middle of the field, throwing with anticipation, throwing 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:36.560 in there, throwing accurately, throwing on time, reading defenses there, 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:39.000 et cetera, et cetera. It just hasn't happened for him, 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.280 and that is I think the area of the field 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:44.080 that most quarterback if you're talking about how do you 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:46.800 go from being okay or good to great and moving 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.600 up tiers at quarterback play, Being able to throw in 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:51.760 that area of the field consistently at a high level 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:55.040 is a big differentiator, and that wasn't the case for 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:57.680 him until that trade. For Myers. You can see all 0:57:57.680 --> 0:57:59.400 the numbers. You can see their success rate as a 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.680 passing attack. You can see their drop back, their EPA 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:04.800 per dropback in the ten to nineteen yard range. Between 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.560 the numbers, everything skyrockets and goes up. You can watch 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:09.200 the tape and watch him throw the ball there. He 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.160 finally had at players that he trusted there and that 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:13.120 was a big part of it, but also he bought in. 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.080 He bought it to the system, and I think there 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:17.240 were really good things with him now. Consistency is a 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:20.080 big factor. It just hasn't been there for him to 0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:22.720 really all levels of the field before last year second 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:24.720 half of the season was the best we've ever seen him. 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.560 I'm a huge Liam going believer. Maybe they can get 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:29.880 everything else right around him to where this kind of 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:32.160 ends up looking bad for me because he's just going 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:35.080 to play way better within everything finally being right, and 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.760 he's frankly, it's been a disaster around him for a 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:40.600 lot of his career so far. But I think he's 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.400 got the best chance of anybody to like rise up 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:45.680 this or these ranks pretty much from this range where 0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:47.760 I have him up higher than this because of the 0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:48.760 factors around him. 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:50.960 Yeah, I had him fourteenth, So I don't know why 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:53.160 I'm reaching even on my own board, but when I 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:57.280 looked at him compared to some of the younger guys, 0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:59.400 I am giving a little bit of an edge to 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:04.040 everything that he's seen in the NFL that they have 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.360 not that I think some of the younger quarterbacks are 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:08.400 going to go through some ups and downs and I 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:09.800 do think he's going to be in a little bit 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.640 of a sweet spot of having the right coach to 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:17.280 help to navigate everything that defenses are throwing at him 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.600 and em betting a little bit on it clicking. Like, 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:25.480 I have never seen him as some generational prospect because 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:27.120 of what you said, because of the inconsistent he just 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:29.120 doesn't hit throws as much as you. 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:30.120 Want him to hit it. 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:32.840 It's a little maddening even when he has the right 0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.880 idea of when and where to go with it, Like 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:39.360 he's often been a tick late, and I really did 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:41.720 see that sort of improvement last year to the point 0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:44.080 where I'm like, Okay, I think him next to Goff 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:47.280 is interesting because I do see them they're very different 0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:51.200 players but in the same sort of idea that if 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.960 they are in the right scheme, and I think they 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.480 both are right now, that you can win a lot 0:59:56.480 --> 0:59:57.040 of games with him. 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.120 All Right, I'm curious where you go thirteenth. 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:01.960 So for me, this guy was actually eleventh on my 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:04.520 board and thirteenth now in our draft. But I had 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:08.040 Jayden Daniels and I know last season he's a little 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:09.720 bit of a hard one to crack because it's like well, 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:11.920 last season. Everybody wanted to put him in five or 1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:14.919 six after the season, and he had this unbelievable season 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:16.840 as a rookie, and it was it was a little 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:18.320 bit of pumped the brakes, like, let's see what it 1:00:18.360 --> 1:00:21.040 looks like over larger sample size. We honestly didn't get 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.240 that big much bigger of a sample size because he 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.880 only had two hundred and forty four dropbacks last season, 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.480 and really was he healthy for many of those in 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:30.800 and out of the lineup. Played Week one and two, hurt, 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:33.120 played a couple of weeks that hurt, then back for 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:36.440 Week fourteen for reasons that no one understands, and you know, 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:38.880 it just he was never really healthy last season. And 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.040 so if that sustains, obviously this will look bad. But 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.280 I'm just gonna assume that because there wasn't a major 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:44.920 injury that took place here, that he's going to be 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.800 healthy again. Maybe he just continues to have nagging injuries 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:49.640 and that Durrell's his career, and you know, if that's 1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:51.640 how it is, But I mean, this guy is utterly 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:53.880 brilliant as a rookie, like one of the best quarterbacks 1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:56.880 in the league. Not just doing cookie cutter stuff, lots 1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:59.760 of difficult throws, lots of difficult plays down the field, 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.640 evolved as a full field player, I thought accurate to 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.440 all levels of the field, great execute or great decision maker, 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.520 you know. I thought that was probably an undersold part 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:09.760 of it. Maybe is there like potential for him to 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:12.040 be a guy that takes too many sacks? Maybe, but 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:14.200 that's kind of true for these guys who are like 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:17.240 unbelievable athletes at their position, that maybe they do that 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:18.880 early in their career and then they kind of figure 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:21.120 it out as they go. So I have some questions 1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:24.200 with him, But I also think the ceiling is way higher. 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:27.080 So I'm really interested in that guy who I thought 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:29.200 was clearly a top ten guy after his rookie season. 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:31.160 I mean, he played at a top ten level, I 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.560 should say that year, and you were like, oh, yeah, 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:36.040 he could easily be in this conversation, I just thought 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:38.040 last year he was hurt most of the time, and 1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:39.960 when he in, the situation around him was worse. They 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:42.520 had other injuries as well, the Stuff and McLaurin in 1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:44.840 the offseason, and just like never getting back to where 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:47.439 they were as a full offense. There was a lot 1:01:47.480 --> 1:01:49.800 of stuff, and I still didn't think he was like 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:52.360 that bad, Like there were some things that were definitely concerned, 1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:54.640 but he wasn't like a disaster as all that happened, 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:57.760 and then he was never healthy. So I just to me, 1:01:57.840 --> 1:01:59.960 I'm feeling like I'm not that much lower on them 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:02.200 that I was coming out of his rookie season. I 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:03.480 just want to see him play. I think it was 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:05.520 one of the worst parts of last season that we 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:09.800 didn't get to see this absolutely brilliant, likable leading the 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:12.360 Commanders back after Snyder all this stuff, like it was 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:14.520 just so fun, and then we just didn't get to 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:16.880 see it last season really at all. And so they're 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.200 like top of my league pass rankings, Like I can't 1:02:19.240 --> 1:02:22.160 wait to watch Washington. I think jayde Daniels is a star, 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.360 and I hope that he still plays at that level. 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:25.680 But he's the guy that I would want if I'm 1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:28.040 getting outside that tier, and I'm just like, who gives 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:30.400 me the best chance to get into Tier two, tier one? 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:33.120 Maybe even after the season, I would still take him 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:34.880 over some of the other younger guys that we're probably 1:02:34.880 --> 1:02:35.640 about to discuss. 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.440 Yeah, I had him thirteen, So he ends up landing 1:02:38.480 --> 1:02:42.480 exactly where I had him in mind. My main issue 1:02:42.480 --> 1:02:44.960 with him because you can see the vision look in 1:02:45.000 --> 1:02:48.520 a perfect world, I mean, incredible accuracy and incredible decision 1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:53.360 making is quite a combination you can see, like in 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.920 the highest of high outcomes for Jade Daniels, He's got 1:02:56.920 --> 1:03:00.240 a lot of Joe Burrow plus running to him, which is, 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:04.040 you know, a league MVP type of player. My problem 1:03:04.080 --> 1:03:06.120 is I just haven't seen him in a normal offense 1:03:06.240 --> 1:03:08.960 yet in the NFL, so they're essentially like a no 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:12.640 huddle offense. I think he'll be able to adjust, but 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.040 he's trying to figure out when to run when not to. 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.000 And it's just the injuries. It's the fact that it's 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.440 not just his size, but that it was you know, 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:23.120 a handful of different ones, that it's a hamstring, it's 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:26.320 a knee, the elbow, I guess I'm less concerned about, 1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:29.160 but an elbow on a quarterback is obviously concerning. So 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:34.600 that combination with his overall size is really the only 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:37.440 reason why. Yeah, for me, like he's at thirteen and 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:39.640 not in a higher tier. Just betting on that ceiling, 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:43.160 I'll pair him with Caleb Williams next at fourteen. I 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:46.520 think we probably I don't want to speak for you, 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:48.640 but you know, I almost don't know what to do 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:53.160 with Caleb Williams at this point of his career because like, 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:57.280 the reason he has to put on the Superman cape 1:03:57.360 --> 1:04:00.240 is because he's done a ton of frustrating things before that, 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:05.160 and I think you can forget that, like among qualified passers, 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:09.320 he was dead last behind JJ McCarthy was second to last, 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:13.200 and completion percentage over expected like his you know, his accuracy, 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:16.800 it really comes and goes. And yet I don't want 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:19.960 to discount the playmaking because you know, the idea is 1:04:20.000 --> 1:04:23.120 to win football games, and his ability to do that 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:25.440 in the biggest of moments in his combination. I think 1:04:25.440 --> 1:04:29.520 PFF stats are helpful here that he's second in big 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:33.440 time throw rate, but you know, fifth in terms of 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:36.920 you know, his sack rate is an incredible combination of 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:40.480 big plays and avoiding negative plays. So even though his 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:42.720 best games like they were a little erratic and he's 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:45.040 holding onto the ball forever, the longest time to throw 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:46.800 in the league, and the rest of the stats are 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:49.120 more middle of the pack, like QBR all that stuff 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:50.720 is a lot of it is middle of the pack. 1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:56.720 You are betting on a young, extremely talented player who 1:04:56.840 --> 1:05:00.640 had some thing's click for mentally last year. Just continuing 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:04.360 that progression, and he certainly has a chance to make 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:06.400 both of us look dumb for even letting him go 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:07.440 this far in the draft. 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:10.120 He does, Yeah, I mean, he's one of the guys 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:13.360 that I think could be really you know, a big 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:15.720 riser that's not going to surprise anyone. You know, maybe 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:19.160 it'll be surprised some people why Daniel's higher, But I'm 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:21.840 definitely a fan. I thought the progression last year was 1:05:21.880 --> 1:05:24.439 pretty wild. The I mean, what did he go from 1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:28.360 a pressure to pressure to sack rate went from twenty 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:32.080 eight point two percent in twenty twenty four to nine 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:36.080 point six percent in twenty twenty five. That is insane. 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:38.680 And he held the ball point twenty seconds longer. So 1:05:38.800 --> 1:05:43.240 he was just nothing about his like is this sustainable? 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:45.120 What you would say? Heck, though, there's no way he 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:48.280 could sustain this. He is and all He's made this 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:51.160 point and I think it's absolute spot on when you 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:53.480 watch him. He's the fastest guy to the edge of 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:55.560 any quarterback in the league, right, and that's crazy. I 1:05:55.560 --> 1:05:58.120 don't think people just said, oh, pure speed he's just 1:05:58.280 --> 1:06:01.440 so quick and so he out of the pocket so 1:06:01.720 --> 1:06:04.760 fast and basically what he had to be, because I 1:06:04.760 --> 1:06:06.360 don't think he's ever going to be just like you're 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:08.320 paint by numbers quarterback. Like I don't think he's ever 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:10.480 it's always going to be hard to compare him to 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:12.400 everybody else. What you hope with Kailee Williams, I think 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:14.840 is that he gets on this hot streak at the 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:17.160 right time because he can do that, he's so special 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:19.240 out of structure. He's one of the guys that might 1:06:19.240 --> 1:06:21.360 be able to live there more often than others and 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:22.960 still be good. Now. I think he still has to 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:25.320 keep getting better within structure, and that was last year. 1:06:25.360 --> 1:06:27.680 He did take steps in that way that was obvious. 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:31.360 But he is probably the top guy in the league 1:06:31.440 --> 1:06:33.480 right now out of structure on a consistent base. Now 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:35.960 he spends more time there, So maybe it's an unfair comparison, 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:38.320 and maybe Mahomes and Allen and Jackson at the peak 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.280 of their powers can still play that way, but they've 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:42.040 learned to play other ways too, and Williams will need 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:46.280 to keep evolving there. But he's unbelievably special when it 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:48.520 comes to getting the edge of the defense, making throws plays. 1:06:48.520 --> 1:06:50.400 We saw that in the playoffs, Like just all kinds 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:53.280 of unbelievable stuff from him. So the fact that his 1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:56.720 style of play after a season where it looked like 1:06:57.000 --> 1:06:59.040 none of it was going to translate to the NFL 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:00.720 because he kept trying to play the same way. It 1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:03.760 was a complete disasters or rookie. His style play from 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:06.280 college going to the NFL and being able to work 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:08.160 on a really successful season for the team, not just 1:07:08.240 --> 1:07:12.720 him individually, is unbelievably exciting stuff from a viewing perspective 1:07:12.760 --> 1:07:16.520 because he is appointment viewing right. I mean, he is 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:20.000 all the things that fans on Twitter love to talk 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:22.400 about with quarterback play. He is those things. And so 1:07:22.440 --> 1:07:24.080 because of that, the brand is going to be strong, 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:26.080 and that's really good for the league, really good for 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:27.960 the Bears, really good for people like you and I 1:07:28.000 --> 1:07:31.200 who love watching players. This exciting play. I think in 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.160 between that there are still a lot of things that 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:36.320 need work, but this is a totally appropriate range for 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.520 him and a player that I think if those things, 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:41.400 you know, to the degree that they already improved last season, 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:44.280 if that keeps up, man like, we could really be 1:07:44.320 --> 1:07:46.400 talking about something Greg. It would be really really fun 1:07:46.440 --> 1:07:49.840 if he's able to be this unorthodox different than everybody 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:52.680 else in the league zig while everybody else zags type 1:07:52.680 --> 1:07:55.600 of player. I would be really excited to kind of 1:07:55.640 --> 1:07:57.520 be able to compare him year after year to some 1:07:57.560 --> 1:07:59.479 other players and around the league because he's so different 1:07:59.480 --> 1:07:59.960 at this position. 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:02.840 I mean, Bears fans are gonna be honking, this is 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:05.400 way too low. Why Why is Kale Williams at fourteen 1:08:05.440 --> 1:08:09.800 if Drake may is at five? I think it points 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:11.600 to what I talked about to start the show, that 1:08:12.080 --> 1:08:14.600 it's a really deep position right now. We still have 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:18.439 good players remaining to talk about. But there were early 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:23.960 moments in Stafford's career, in Carson Palmer's career, in different 1:08:24.160 --> 1:08:27.160 like young ascending quarterbacks who are like going into a season, 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:30.360 it's like, well, you thought, okay, there's six, there's seventh, 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:32.360 you know, and that's kind of where Caleb Williams is now. 1:08:32.439 --> 1:08:35.679 But there's just too many, you know, proven players ahead 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:37.559 of them. I have to admit I am regretting that 1:08:37.600 --> 1:08:41.120 Trevor Lawrence pick, that the Lawrence pick in Herbert over Stafford, 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:46.280 Like I immediately thought twice about I feel pretty good 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:49.200 about who I would take fifteenth. I'm curious if it'll 1:08:49.240 --> 1:08:50.479 be the same one for you. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:51.720 Let's see c J. 1:08:51.880 --> 1:08:52.599 Stroud is the guy. 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:55.519 Yes, that was mine too, he was like a solid fifteen. 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:58.200 I don't know why. Actually, so far we've gone off, 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:00.559 we've ticked off my top fifteen and larder. 1:09:00.960 --> 1:09:03.080 Wow, there's one guy left in my top fifteen. We 1:09:03.120 --> 1:09:07.120 haven't talked about Lawrence just outside of it. For me, Yeah, 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:09.760 I think CJ. Stroud, I who actually have twelve fear 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:11.400 by the way, just the way that it's falling for 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:15.080 me because I Jane daniels Hire too, I would say 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:18.880 with Stroud, I get into this. I see it both ways. 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:21.280 Right where the postseason has been a mess, I mean 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:23.240 this this past post season was I don't think all 1:09:23.280 --> 1:09:25.120 of his postseason has been a mess, but this past 1:09:25.120 --> 1:09:27.160 postseason a lot of the worst games I've ever seen 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:29.240 in my life by a quarterback. I'm not gonna lie 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:31.920 like any level of greg that was completely insane. Now, 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:34.400 I've always been a Stroud guy, So you know, this 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:36.200 feels like a good range for him. Maybe like there 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:38.400 could you know, there could be arguments for him. You know, 1:09:38.439 --> 1:09:40.519 some would make arguments that he should be you know, 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:42.719 four or five spots lower maybe than this, but because 1:09:42.760 --> 1:09:44.559 the reasons, he buys a strong right with him, and 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:48.120 it wasn't this unbelievable year overall with him. I'm really 1:09:48.200 --> 1:09:50.880 curious if does he want to be Joe Burrow? And 1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:52.920 is anybody gonna let him be Joe Burrow? And if 1:09:52.920 --> 1:09:54.880 he can't be Joe Burrow, is he ever gonna be good? 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:57.120 If he can't be Joe Burrow and the offensive line 1:09:57.160 --> 1:09:59.840 is terrible, Like will it ever get to a great point? 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:03.200 I think there's real questions that I have there just 1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:05.559 about like what kind of offense works best for him 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:07.920 in the league. Not to the level I've always said 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:10.080 this about Kyler Murray. I'm like, I think it's extremely 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:12.400 difficult to build an offense that this guy can be 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.439 successful in the league with Stroud, I don't ask that question. 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:17.680 Maybe necessarily, I just don't know how many teams want 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:19.479 to play the way he might want to play. And 1:10:19.800 --> 1:10:21.519 that's evidence by looking at Joe Burrow and the way 1:10:21.520 --> 1:10:24.360 Burrow plays and the way Cincinnati's played, where you can say, 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:26.000 are they ever going to evolve, they ever going to change? 1:10:26.000 --> 1:10:27.559 They ever going to do this or that? They're ever 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:30.040 going to modernize all this stuff. But the reality is 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:31.960 they're playing the way that they're playing because the quarterback 1:10:32.000 --> 1:10:34.599 wants to play that way, and that hasn't really happened 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:38.160 in Houston, and so I wonder if that is going 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:41.240 to just negatively affect his career. And then I wonder 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:43.479 if he does get to play that way for a 1:10:43.640 --> 1:10:47.160 sutent long period of time, is he consistent enough to 1:10:47.160 --> 1:10:49.240 be able to do that? Because it is quarterback on difficult, 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:51.560 high difficulty mode. And I think he's brilliant and I 1:10:51.600 --> 1:10:53.200 think he has a lot of similarities to Burrow in 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:55.960 some ways, but it's not that easy to pull off, 1:10:55.960 --> 1:10:57.240 and we don't see a lot of guys pull it 1:10:57.280 --> 1:10:59.880 off because it's not that easy. So I just have 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:03.439 questions if they have ever found like a symbiotic this 1:11:03.479 --> 1:11:05.960 is what we want to be nature to Stroud and 1:11:06.000 --> 1:11:08.840 an OC and play caller and system. And so I 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:12.320 think because of that, you're seeing like more cracks with 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:15.320 him as a player, Like he hasn't been unbelievable in 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:18.840 these other systems. And I think obviously this is one 1:11:18.880 --> 1:11:21.080 of been one of the worst offensive lines in football 1:11:21.160 --> 1:11:24.200 during most of his time there, especially the last couple 1:11:24.200 --> 1:11:26.439 of years. So there's all these factors that sort of 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:29.639 collide to get like this maybe picture that isn't it's 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:31.559 just not quite as grandiose as we maybe thought it 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:33.600 was going to be after that rookie season. But I 1:11:33.600 --> 1:11:35.360 still think he's pretty good, and I still think the 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:37.600 potential is there for him to be really good. The 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:40.000 stuff I've seen him do, the high derogreed difficulty stuff 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:43.599 i've seen him do, I'm really intrigued by and I'm 1:11:43.720 --> 1:11:46.760 very high on. So I won't quit him for sure 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:49.559 yet after this next season. If it goes kind of 1:11:49.560 --> 1:11:52.160 some of this last season, I probably will have to 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:55.240 slide him down because I understand people's doubt of whether 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:57.559 this is even the guy. There's been even the should 1:11:57.600 --> 1:12:00.559 he get the next contract questions, which I would for 1:12:00.600 --> 1:12:03.640 sure be given him an X contract, But I understand 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:05.720 I think there is maybe a little downside there, the 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:09.799 panicky nature to some things, and the mistake prone ball 1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:12.320 when he plays that way, which wasn't the case for 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:14.599 early in his career and has become a little more 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:16.679 of the case. The sacks and all this kind of stuff. 1:12:16.760 --> 1:12:19.479 It's it is somewhat concerning, so I would say for 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:22.600 the first time I'm concerned about CJ. Stroud, but not 1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:24.960 enough to have him lower than. 1:12:24.800 --> 1:12:29.439 This same I believe. I've always been a believer. 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:33.840 Last year was way better than people recognized, just even 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:35.439 just if you just look at the numbers. He was 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:38.799 eleventh in QBR for instance. That was higher than Lawrence 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:42.160 and Goff and Herbert and Caleb and Darneld eleventh in EPA. 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:44.800 So those are like two different advanced stats that kind 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:46.719 of have him in that area. That's ahead of Burrow 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:50.800 and Lawrence. He took less sacks, he avoided pressure last year, 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:53.760 and yet John, I'm at the same point as you 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:57.200 where I'm a little more worried right now than I've 1:12:57.240 --> 1:13:00.519 ever been because I actually thought the tape at times 1:13:00.680 --> 1:13:06.320 was worse because it previewed what happened in the playoffs, 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:11.519 which was whatever the opposite of oh, he has a 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.200 bad play and then he has amnesia and he forgets 1:13:14.200 --> 1:13:16.559 about it and moves on whatever the opposite of that, 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:18.720 Like CJ. Stroud might might have been one of the 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:20.760 worst quarterbacks in the league when he got in a 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:24.000 hole last year, he would stay in a hole. And 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:27.280 there's three, four or five games where you can see 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:29.559 him getting frustrated, you can see it on his face, 1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:32.600 and his play just doesn't give him a chance to 1:13:32.640 --> 1:13:34.960 win for a couple quarters straight. And that to me 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:39.479 was new, and that was a streakiness, and I think 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:42.679 it came out in the worst possible way in the playoffs. Look, 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:46.040 I think he's come out and everything I hear from 1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:49.840 this offseason sounds great. I'm optimistic that he'll get past 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:53.040 that because then the type of career I think he 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:55.920 can have is very similar to what Dak Prescott is having. Like, 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:59.320 I think he can be that level of quarterback and 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:02.400 play in a similar way, and I, if I had 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:04.160 to guess, I think he's going to get there. But 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:07.680 the streakiness and sort of the the holes that he 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:10.479 would get in mentally, that's not what you want out 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:12.960 of your quarterback. And so that that is concerning. 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:16.080 Yeah, no doubt. I mean, the downside stuff is clear. 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:19.320 People are not wrong about the aspects of play that 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:21.720 they've been concerning recently. But I do think there's a 1:14:21.720 --> 1:14:23.439 path forward with him. It's better than the one that 1:14:23.439 --> 1:14:25.960 they've just left behind. I'm just not sure they're going 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:27.680 to find it. And so because of that, I may 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:30.320 not look right about this, and you know, I'll obviously 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:32.080 make my excuses, but like at the end of the day, 1:14:32.360 --> 1:14:34.519 trying to be right. So I understand why people wouldn't 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:35.360 want to have them asigh. 1:14:36.240 --> 1:14:38.880 I had a pretty clear top fifteen and that was it. 1:14:39.040 --> 1:14:41.080 It's a little bit of a drop off there. There's 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:46.000 actually not anyone that I'm excited to take next, struggling 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:46.400 I have. 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:49.680 I have a disagreement with that. There's one way I 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:53.479 left that I'm tell me, Okay, I'm a believer. 1:14:54.320 --> 1:14:57.840 Give me bout bikes. Okay, I mean I'm next. So 1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:00.599 I just I'm going to take that pick he was show. 1:15:01.560 --> 1:15:03.800 I'll show you by board. I mean he is next. 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:06.519 But I'm not as excited to take. It's partly because 1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:08.679 of the injury, which I shouldn't be that concerned about. 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:10.559 That he's coming off of surgery. He's gonna be ready 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:14.040 for training camp. I don't love that the injury happened 1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:18.240 on one of those rollouts. And I do think that 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:25.360 he's a stable quarterback, and yet like so much of 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:27.760 his game is on the move, Like it feels too much. 1:15:27.800 --> 1:15:29.840 Can you build the whole plane out of a quarterback 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:32.320 that just throws on the root move, whether it's designed, 1:15:32.479 --> 1:15:35.240 whether it's scrambling, whether it's just you know, throwing. 1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:36.400 He is great at it. 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:38.040 And yet you know you want to see him win 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:40.519 from the pocket a little bit. It's a lot of 1:15:40.600 --> 1:15:42.519 hitch routes. He actually led the league in hitch routes, 1:15:42.560 --> 1:15:46.000 not Jalen Hurts, which you would have thought. He's better 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:49.320 when he's trailing. But ultimately I had him here that 1:15:49.400 --> 1:15:51.519 this was my sixteenth guy. Even though I had a 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:54.639 tier break. He backed up his rookie year. I think 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:57.120 he built on it. He had more big plays, he 1:15:57.160 --> 1:15:59.720 had more mistakes, I think as well. But he does 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:03.680 have sachs And even if he's not making a lot 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:07.200 of big plays, specifically John when he gets pressured ANDGS 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:10.400 had him as the fewest air yards for completion when pressured, 1:16:11.320 --> 1:16:15.000 he still had enough big plays in the arsenal. And 1:16:15.320 --> 1:16:19.080 he was really good in late and close situations, third 1:16:19.160 --> 1:16:22.400 down situations, third and long situations. Those are the situations 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:25.400 you want your quarterback to to be nails, and ultimately 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:27.400 he was. He played great in that game, and they 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:29.400 could have been going to the super Bowl if not 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:31.120 for that injury. 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:35.479 No doubt I think that, and I was not. Again, 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:37.880 another guy was not high on bot X coming out 1:16:37.880 --> 1:16:39.880 as a prospect. Didn't get it, you know, I like 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.240 all these you know this offense at Oregon, they kind 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:45.680 of like basically made him fake play quarterback after he 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:47.519 was pretty bad. I thought. At Auburn, and I remember 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:49.479 watching him early in his college crowds like this guy's 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:53.400 a hype prospect, like hyped high school recruit, I guess 1:16:53.439 --> 1:16:55.519 I should say, And I was like, man, I don't 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:57.840 see it. And the way he's just kept going like 1:16:57.920 --> 1:17:00.599 he's smart. First of all, I think that's under sold 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:02.280 and that's a big reason why he took the leap 1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:04.240 he did. Actually didn't think his rookie year was like 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:06.280 okay to me, but I wasn't. I was like a 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:08.600 little bit like, I think his rookieyears kind of overrated. 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:10.800 And maybe it was, or maybe I just didn't see 1:17:10.800 --> 1:17:13.960 what was coming. But I think there was some rough 1:17:13.960 --> 1:17:16.680 stuff early in the season with him, and after that 1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:19.960 he was pretty much really good for the most part, 1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:23.120 I think, And I think you're right about the all 1:17:23.320 --> 1:17:26.559 structure play and just like obviously I've harp done that already, 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:28.080 but we're in a range again where I'm like just 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:30.080 looking at, like what's the potential for him? And he 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:32.080 got better in structure, got better thrown in the middle 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:34.120 of the field. Those were weaknesses of a rookie season. 1:17:34.400 --> 1:17:36.960 He got better just making quick decisions and getting the 1:17:37.000 --> 1:17:39.040 ball out a little bit faster to the point where 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:41.719 I think it's more palatable. And then he just continues 1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:44.479 to avoid sacks. And after that early stretch in the season, 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.720 he's not been a high turnover guy either. And then 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:49.760 he's made really hydro good difficulty throws too, so you 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:52.720 get less of the valleys, more of the peaks, and 1:17:52.760 --> 1:17:55.320 then a little bit better in structure play not good 1:17:55.400 --> 1:17:57.439 enough yet still I think he's got to continue growing 1:17:57.439 --> 1:18:01.000 in that regard. And then he's really good athlete, unbelievable, 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:04.280 Like in terms of functional athleticism, he's really really good. 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:07.080 He doesn't get hit very often. He is not going 1:18:07.160 --> 1:18:09.720 to get sacked very often. That's been proven through two 1:18:09.760 --> 1:18:12.800 years of his career, playing all these games, all these dropbacks, 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:15.720 he's just rarely, that's rarely happening to him. And he's 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:17.320 not like he's just like a quick release guy like 1:18:17.439 --> 1:18:20.519 Jared Goff either, like he's holding the ball and making 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:23.840 plays and not having the downside plays in those situations. Now, 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:27.599 one year sample size, yeah, okay, I don't know, two 1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:30.960 years sample size. Yeah, I'm starting to become a bowliever now' 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:32.559 that's long and short of it. 1:18:33.040 --> 1:18:36.080 Yeah, we both had him at sixteen. And it's a 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:39.200 fair point because he I mean, he was pretty thrilling 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:42.360 in that playoff game in the second half in such 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:46.920 a high leverage moment, and his highs have been higher 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:50.040 than I would have expected. And you're right, it was 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:52.280 a big step forward. I do worry about like the 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:55.680 you know, surgeries after each of his seasons and some 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:58.559 lower body injuries and Sean Payton and him going at 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:00.320 it about the medical stuff. It's a little and certain. 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:02.519 All right, we're halfway through this, John. We got to 1:19:02.560 --> 1:19:05.040 get you back to work. So what we're gonna do 1:19:05.439 --> 1:19:07.920 is we're gonna pick up the pace for the second half. 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:10.479 We're gonna we're gonna We're not gonna go rapid fire. 1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:13.040 We're gonna give these quarterbacks their love, but we will 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:15.280 we will go a little faster down the stretch. 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:17.799 But we're halfway through. You're up with number seventeen. 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:21.640 I actually had Sam Darnald ahead of Rock Party and 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:24.519 Trevor Lawrence, even though I think it's a conversation, those 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:26.760 guys are on the same tier. So he would be 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:29.000 he's fifteenth for me, what' seventeenth I think for us 1:19:29.000 --> 1:19:30.839 in our draft, and that would be my top seventeen 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:32.800 basically then would be off the board. So we're we're 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:35.320 just a little bit different of an order basically there, 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:37.160 I think with Donald with me, I'm just. 1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:38.120 Really very different. 1:19:38.160 --> 1:19:41.800 If you've got Donald over Perdy Lawrence, yeah I can 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:44.360 see that, and yeah, I've got feel dumb about Lawrence. 1:19:44.880 --> 1:19:47.240 Well I've got Donald one spot over Perty. And I've 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:48.679 gone back and forth on this, so I think there's 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:51.000 a lot of different ways to see it. Because Perdy, 1:19:51.000 --> 1:19:53.640 I think has been better now for like consistently who 1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:55.800 he is for longer, which is like a pretty good guy, 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:57.559 a guy in this rangel like or a little bit 1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:00.599 higher maybe in the best moments of his career for 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:02.599 a couple of years now. And Donald there is still 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:05.960 like this unpredictability to like he's great for Minnesota, then 1:20:06.000 --> 1:20:07.679 he like falls apart at the end of the season. 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.000 It's like, oh, like and you know, last year mostly 1:20:10.040 --> 1:20:12.000 great for Seattle and they obviously win the Super Bowl. 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:14.400 For last season, he wasn't just good for Seattle. He 1:20:14.479 --> 1:20:17.080 was like in the MVP conversation. I think people forget 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:18.680 about that, but for most of the season he was 1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:21.519 in that conversation and playing at a really, really high 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:23.160 level for a team that was among the best in 1:20:23.160 --> 1:20:26.040 the league that entire time. The operation of the offense, 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:28.680 being able to play pure drop back football, hiding your 1:20:28.680 --> 1:20:30.519 difficulty throws down the field, like a lot of that 1:20:30.520 --> 1:20:33.040 stuff's there now. I'll take a lot of sacks. He'll 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:35.760 get hit some like he makes some boneheaded throws. He 1:20:35.800 --> 1:20:38.559 throws the other team sometimes and he you know, there's 1:20:38.800 --> 1:20:41.160 there's real lows to him where we talked about with Bonix, 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:43.439 like there's not really the valley he's like as much 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:45.960 there's us with with tam Donald, Like I don't know 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:48.440 that that's ever gonna not that's ever going to completely 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:50.559 go away. But he has a lot of physical and 1:20:50.600 --> 1:20:53.879 mental tools, ability to play different ways in different systems 1:20:53.880 --> 1:20:56.400 that give you a real fighting chance. I think you 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:58.840 can design some different things. And he doesn't have a 1:20:58.880 --> 1:21:00.920 skill set that's like, oh, there's lit on it. He 1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:03.439 can't do all these different things, take everything off the menu. 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:07.160 There's obviously he operated this offense to specifically play acts 1:21:07.160 --> 1:21:09.360 and stuff, but he could throw the middle of the field. 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:12.040 He throws the ball down the field aggressively. He's not 1:21:12.120 --> 1:21:14.479 going to be scared, so you don't take a ton 1:21:14.560 --> 1:21:16.800 off the menu with him, which is why I really 1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:20.479 like him. And so this range, I think, I just 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:22.439 won a Super Bowl. Maybe he wasn't the number one 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:24.600 factor in that, but I also don't think he was 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:27.040 like a forgotten factor of that either. It wasn't like 1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:30.080 this team was grind, ground and pound football and just 1:21:30.160 --> 1:21:33.400 great defense, all throwback team. And obviously the defense was awesome, 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:35.560 but it wasn't like that was the style football that 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:37.280 they played. He had to be he had to make 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.160 plays in almost all these games, and he consistently made him. 1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:43.000 And so I think he's more than just to you know, 1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:44.720 plug anybody in there and they would have done this 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:46.320 last year. I don't think that at all. I think 1:21:46.360 --> 1:21:50.040 he's a good player. So he probably this group I 1:21:50.040 --> 1:21:52.880 think going up to maybe one more after Trevor Lawrence, 1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:54.960 we'll talk about the next guy. Eighteenth on my list. 1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:57.840 He's the most just a hard one. To figure out, 1:21:57.840 --> 1:22:00.080 I think, but those that probably ends the guys that 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:02.040 I'm like excited about in the league is being a 1:22:02.040 --> 1:22:03.679 starting quarterback for free. But I think about the point 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:06.479 where I feel pretty decent if Sam Donald was my 1:22:06.479 --> 1:22:08.680 starting quarterback compared to what the downside could be with 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:10.200 about half the rest of the league. 1:22:10.720 --> 1:22:13.560 But yeah, fourth and completion percentage over expected nineteenth in 1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:16.160 QBR but ninth and pff, he's even his numbers are 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:19.920 all over the place. Yeah, he's His weaknesses are still 1:22:19.920 --> 1:22:22.600 what they've always been. He led the NFL and interceptions 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:25.000 against the guy's coverages and turned it over a lot 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:26.679 when pressured in general. 1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:28.280 But the highs the pluses. 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:31.320 You mentioned that down the field, throws really good and 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:34.639 his functional athleticism is really good. 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:36.320 I think too, in terms of what he can do 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:37.040 with the rollouts. 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:39.640 I have him in this tier of kind of for me, 1:22:39.680 --> 1:22:43.439 it's like a sixteen, seventeen to twenty tier of guys 1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:46.760 you're happy with, you can obviously win with, And yeah, 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:48.600 he's right smack in the middle of that tier for me. 1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:49.360 I have Hurts next. 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:51.599 I don't know if that's who you were referring to 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:54.479 as Jalen Hurts, who's a tough one to deal with. 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:56.800 Now you have him much lower. Ultimately, I gotta give 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:58.920 him much, but yeah, okay, I gotta give him some 1:22:59.120 --> 1:23:02.200 respective He's four years now removed from his coming in 1:23:02.280 --> 1:23:06.240 second in MVP. The biggest concern I have with him 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:11.240 because his strengths and weaknesses have been talked to death. Look, 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:13.639 he's an outside the numbers thrower. He's a good deep 1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:16.240 ball thrower, but he teams know what he's good at, 1:23:16.280 --> 1:23:18.960 what he's not good at. I'm just worried that his 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:23.599 running ability is not coming back, and that that would 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:28.080 really make him a much more limited quarterback because his 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:31.160 short yardage running straight ahead. He's never been as good 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.639 side to side as people thought. But it really added 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:35.679 a lot of value and I think opened up things 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:39.160 that that it worries me. But I'm gonna I'm gonna 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:42.280 give him some credit for durability and not assume that 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:47.000 the athleticism is gone. And obviously you know you can 1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:49.360 perform at a high level with him when things are clicking. 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:52.240 We're in that group of quarterbacks now for me, there's 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:54.840 three guys left where I think like their highs are 1:23:54.880 --> 1:23:57.680 good enough to still be in the top twenty for me, 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:01.479 but we're in we've entered eighteen nineteen twenty range for 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:03.479 me of quarterbacks, which is kind of where I see 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:06.439 maybe a tear break right now. I'd say, where these 1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:09.920 guys I don't trust every week to be good and 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:12.479 maybe they're just straight up and negative for my team. 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:15.479 And so Hurts is in that group. He's the second 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:17.880 one in this three person group that I have. But 1:24:18.640 --> 1:24:20.920 the highs are also I mean, Jalen Hurts has played 1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:22.519 two of the best games in a Super Bowl that 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:25.479 we've seen, and I struggle to rectify that with the 1:24:25.520 --> 1:24:28.040 rest of what the player I watch weekly in the league. 1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:30.120 And I'm just like, man, there's just so this offense 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:32.160 is so limited. He won't throw it to certain hears 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:33.880 of the field, he doesn't play with instructor, he doesn't 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:36.840 trust people. He only throws certain types of balls. You 1:24:36.960 --> 1:24:39.360 have to have a great run game. The protection's amazing, 1:24:39.479 --> 1:24:41.519 and yet still he holds it and holds it and 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:44.160 he's really not that unbelievable creator. And I just see 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:46.320 all these limitations show up when I'm watching him week 1:24:46.320 --> 1:24:48.720 to week to week, and then he just lights it 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:50.479 on fire in two Super Bowls, and I'm like, look, 1:24:50.600 --> 1:24:52.599 he played out of his mind, got one. 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:53.120 Of those years. 1:24:53.160 --> 1:24:55.400 He was pretty great the whole season, and that's when 1:24:55.439 --> 1:24:57.519 he had he had the running. I mean, one thing 1:24:57.640 --> 1:24:59.920 he's not going to do is is throw it in 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:02.640 and turn the ball over. So that combination of just 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:06.719 some big plays with being very careful with the ball. 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.160 But yeah, he can be a frustrating guy to watch. 1:25:09.160 --> 1:25:10.439 All right. Who else is in this tier for you 1:25:10.479 --> 1:25:10.960 at nineteen? 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:13.559 So Baker Mayfield's one spot ahead of him. Yeah, me 1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:15.200 and you could make any of those, you know, But 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:17.599 he's another one that again, I love that you don't 1:25:17.640 --> 1:25:19.240 have to take stuff off the menu with him. He's 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:21.920 a physical arm strength, he has anough athleticism. You can 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:23.680 do kind of anything you want with your offense with 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:26.160 the Mipothetically, you just have to accept the fact that 1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:28.360 everything you do is going to be inconsistent because he's 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.840 not a consistent player. He will get super hyped up 1:25:31.840 --> 1:25:33.559 in the pocket to hold the ball. He won't throw 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:36.600 it open. People turn down plays and you just have 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:38.559 all these frustrations with them. So there's a ton on 1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:41.120 the menu. He can make every throw on the field. 1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:44.040 He's the moxie, the leadership, all that kind of stuff. 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:46.960 I think you have more questions there with Hurtz. Although 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:50.800 some people praise Hurts for it, there's obviously been some drama. 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:52.600 There's been enough smoke there where there has to be 1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:55.360 some fire right over the years. With Baker, I think 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:57.439 there obviously there was early in his career in Tampa Bay. 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:59.640 It's been nothing but like praise for him and that 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:02.240 regard like they love the demeto the player, everybody in 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:04.280 the team loves like. All that stuff is positives right 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:06.200 at this point with him and the fact that you 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:08.400 can operate an offense with him. He's also an unbelievable 1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:10.479 ball handler. Kind Of an underrated part about his game 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:12.320 is that the run game in Tampa got to be 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:15.040 so versatile that year under Cohen because he was such 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:17.000 a good ballhandled They could do all the pony stuff 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:19.479 in the fakes, and that was a real compelling part 1:26:19.520 --> 1:26:21.800 of his game. But there's just some limitations. He's gonna 1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:23.559 make a lot of mistakes. He's gonna miss throws, he's 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:26.600 gonna miss open guys. He's not gonna play within the 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:28.479 structure all the time as often as you want him too. 1:26:28.479 --> 1:26:30.840 He's gonna invite his own pressure, and you just have 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:32.680 to live with this roller coaster a little bit with 1:26:32.760 --> 1:26:35.200 him that you know, is clearly better than some of 1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:38.080 the guys behind him in the last half league spots 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:40.680 in this list or whatever, twelve thirteen spots, but just 1:26:40.720 --> 1:26:41.800 not as good as the peak guys. 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:47.719 I think he's like this tier especially, is again proving 1:26:47.720 --> 1:26:50.040 the point that I'm talking about the fact that Baker Mayfield, 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:52.799 who's coming off one of his you know, worst seasons. 1:26:52.840 --> 1:26:54.280 I would say, although he sat in up and down career, 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:57.360 but certainly in Tampa, but still like nineteen twenty at 1:26:57.400 --> 1:27:01.680 an EPA and success rate and twelfth QBR, he scrambled 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:04.200 way too much last year, Like he's just taken off. 1:27:04.640 --> 1:27:06.320 He was making it happen for a while, but the 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:08.760 percentage when he was pressured, you know, And that's the 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:12.080 thing you mentioned, the streakiness. But the fact that he's nineteenth, 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:15.360 I mean, I really do believe if you went and 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:17.960 looked at at some of the years, like there was 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:19.960 a really dire perier, like at the end of the 1:27:19.960 --> 1:27:23.479 twenty tens, where like what Baker is right now would 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:26.280 be like the ninth best quarterback in the NFL. So 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:29.160 I don't blame the Bucks for thinking and really knowing 1:27:29.160 --> 1:27:30.839 that they can win with Baker. 1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:31.760 He's just streakier. 1:27:31.800 --> 1:27:36.960 I have Kyler Murray next at twenty, and the numbers 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:39.720 have always been kind of middle of the pack, but 1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:44.479 how he gets there is frustrating. He doesn't. He reminds 1:27:44.520 --> 1:27:46.479 me a little bit of Trevor Lawrence, maybe a better 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:49.160 version of him for most of his career, but that. 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:51.759 There's a part. 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.280 Of reading the game and instincts, and by reading the game, 1:27:55.320 --> 1:27:57.920 I mean when to push doing one thing, when to 1:27:58.040 --> 1:28:00.320 know when to take a risk. It's almost like Tyler 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:03.880 has to be told like, Okay, start running more. Then 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:05.559 he starts running more for a little while, and then 1:28:05.600 --> 1:28:07.519 he pulls back from running more. Throw to the middle 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:09.840 of the field more than he's instead of it all 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:14.200 just naturally flowing. And yet at his best he's incredible 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:18.160 and he's talented, and even with the ups and downs, 1:28:18.320 --> 1:28:22.360 he's a solid starting quarterback with a real ceiling. There's 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:24.599 been streakiness to it, but I mean, man, he throws, 1:28:24.920 --> 1:28:27.559 He throws a pretty ball and is a hell of 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:29.360 a runner. I think at this point of his career 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:31.800 it's going to be figuring out calibrate how to avoid 1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:33.799 the hits, when to run, when not to and everything. 1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:37.120 But I totally get why the Vikings made that bet, 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:39.320 and I would have made it even. 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:40.600 If you had to pay him much more money and 1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:41.280 they didn't have to. 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.400 Yeah, one of the peak examples of this type of player, 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:46.880 right were just these crazy hot streaks that there's been 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:49.080 what four or five times in his career where after 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:50.920 a three week stretch, people like Gause, Kyler Murray and 1:28:50.920 --> 1:28:53.519 the MVP conversation that you questioned if he's a starting 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:56.080 quarterback the next week like it. So just yeah, it 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:58.920 doesn't play consistly within the structure of an offense. I 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:01.600 really question the leader stuff with him. I questioned some 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:04.240 of that aspect of the game with him, like the 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:06.559 ability to consistently buy no team concepting to get other 1:29:06.600 --> 1:29:08.719 people to buy, and I think that's important at this position. 1:29:08.720 --> 1:29:10.360 I don't know that he's ever done that at a 1:29:10.400 --> 1:29:12.400 high level. I don't know that he's ever bought in himself. 1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:15.240 He will loves to play hero mode, not a structure, 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:17.760 and obviously he's great traits, but that's just not led 1:29:17.760 --> 1:29:20.040 to a lot of consistency in his career, so a 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:22.439 guy I wouldn't necessarily be excited about my team taking 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.559 as a quarterback. But he is also twentieth for me, 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.040 so same top twenty different orders for us. My next 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:31.400 guy would be huge question mark. I really don't know 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:33.799 where to go from here. There's a bunch of cases, 1:29:34.720 --> 1:29:36.680 the budget cases that can be made, and it's for 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:39.320 twenty twenty six, is what I keep telling myself. Who 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:43.360 all up for twenty twenty six? And I think, I 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:45.920 think that I don't know, but I think the answer 1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:49.280 is the answer Daniel Jones. It feels so unfun to me, 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:51.320 but the answer might be Daniel Jones. 1:29:52.120 --> 1:29:52.719 It's fine. 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:55.920 He's always been better than people thought when he was 1:29:55.920 --> 1:29:57.720 the worst court, you know, and he was terrible, and 1:29:57.760 --> 1:29:59.200 he's not as good as people thought. 1:29:59.240 --> 1:30:01.000 Certainly in the first half of last year. 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:04.800 They if you're if you have healthy Danny Dimes, this 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.160 is you know, he deserves to be here. Or if 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:09.400 you had healthy Danny Dimes, you might even want them, 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:11.479 you know, Yeah, a couple of spots higher. 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:14.400 You might. And he played well last season, and you know, 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:15.960 I have to give some credit to that. I think 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:17.519 if he hadn't played well, last season. I don't think 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:19.439 even think I had him in this tier, but that 1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:21.400 offense was a really good one, and like the system 1:30:21.400 --> 1:30:24.080 around him, like he wasn't like in a mess like 1:30:24.120 --> 1:30:26.640 he was with the Giants, And so I am a 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:28.679 little bit compelled if he hadn't gotten hurt, Like could 1:30:28.680 --> 1:30:30.400 he be a guy who like would be maybe more 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:32.320 in the Baker tier, Like would he be in the 1:30:32.520 --> 1:30:35.280 high teens or you know, he's twenty one from a year, 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:36.920 so it's not like he's much lower than that, but like, 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:39.280 you know, maybe there's something like that too, So maybe 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:41.240 he's the safest bet. There are guys with way more 1:30:41.360 --> 1:30:43.679 upside than him though that I'm sure you will pick next. 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:47.960 So like that's compelling to heavy heavy play action last year, 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:51.240 it sounds positive the torn achilles that he'll be ready 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:55.040 for training camp was crazy good, unsustainably good, avoiding Saxon 1:30:55.160 --> 1:30:58.840 and versus pressure early last season. I don't know, I 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:01.080 don't think I'm taking someone that you would take. Here, 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:04.599 I'll plant another flag that I'm happy to do, which 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:08.920 is after watching Tyler Shuck's tape last year talk about 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:11.479 being wrong about a player, I was solo on Schuck 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:13.920 coming into the draft. Just thought he wasn't going to 1:31:13.960 --> 1:31:17.920 be able to handle pressure, and he did take a 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:20.280 lot of sacks. That is the number one concern that 1:31:20.360 --> 1:31:22.679 I have for him. But man, he also hung in there, 1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:27.680 like Ryan Tannehill style, just getting destroyed and making some 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:32.240 really good next level bros. The only quarterbacks that had 1:31:32.240 --> 1:31:34.200 to higher pressure to sack ratio, by the way last 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:38.360 year was Gino Smith, who Chuck almost kind of reminds 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:40.559 me of sometimes with the way that he can throw 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:42.600 the ball into smaller windows and over the middle of 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:45.120 the field, and Brady Cook. But I loved how fast 1:31:45.120 --> 1:31:47.559 he got through his reads, the arm was strong enough, 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:50.400 a lot of opposite field, and I just thought he 1:31:50.479 --> 1:31:52.840 showed more as a rookie. So for twenty twenty six, 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:56.439 I'd rather have him than dart Or Ward. I think 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:58.800 he showed a lot. He's no Drake May, But in 1:31:58.840 --> 1:32:00.360 the same way that I felt like I know what 1:32:00.439 --> 1:32:02.559 I saw from Drake May's rookie year and made me 1:32:02.600 --> 1:32:04.080 feel good, I feel like I know what I saw 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:06.479 from Tyler Shuck. I think he's an NFL quarterback that 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:09.120 the health is obviously a bit of a concern, you know, 1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:11.400 based on college, but I like Tyler Suck this. 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:14.439 Year, well, since I was just being a coward until 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:16.599 you picked one of the second year quarterback O, because 1:32:16.640 --> 1:32:18.920 I just have absolutely no idea what to think coming 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:21.439 off of those rookie years where Shuck did look like 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:23.840 the best guy down the stretch. He was situation was 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:26.639 just strength. Frankly, way better than the one cam Ward 1:32:26.720 --> 1:32:29.759 was in. For sure, Jackson Dard looked good at times. 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:32.400 He also has hurt all the time. His play is 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:35.840 really reckless. I just I don't know that twenty twenty six, 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:37.719 even though you could say he was better than Ward 1:32:37.760 --> 1:32:39.559 and you know, maybe as good as Shuk last year, 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:42.040 at some points at least, I don't know that I'd 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:44.120 he would be high my list twenty twenty six. I 1:32:44.200 --> 1:32:45.960 just really questioned whether he's going to stay on the field. 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:48.280 I have other questions about cam Ward. I have questions 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:50.639 about Bryce Young. I'm going to go for Anando Mendoza. 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:52.320 We can do that, right, We can take rookie. 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:54.280 Ye, Yes, yeah, we should have. We should have talked 1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:55.439 about it. Did I think I did? 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:57.920 I pointed out in Tech we can take multiple raiders 1:32:57.960 --> 1:33:01.040 if you want. You know who knows chains gets taken 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:02.120 here he might. 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:03.920 I think I'm just like, I mean, what this is 1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:07.439 twenty third for me? I think on my list twenty diffs, 1:33:07.560 --> 1:33:10.360 So this range like, yeah, this is where I'm good 1:33:10.520 --> 1:33:12.360 guy would like to go into twenty twenty six with 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:14.840 Fernanda Mendozo. If the other twenty two guys ahead of 1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:17.320 him are off the list, I would just rather shoot 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:19.080 that shot and take that chance. I think there's a 1:33:19.120 --> 1:33:21.040 real chance that he's the guy long term. I don't 1:33:21.080 --> 1:33:24.320 think he's unbelievable. I don't think this is an unbelievable prospect, 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:25.880 but I think he's a pretty good one. I think 1:33:25.920 --> 1:33:28.519 the floor might be higher than some other guys we've 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:31.479 seen at this position, even if you will wrestle with 1:33:31.520 --> 1:33:33.800 what the ceiling is and how good the team around 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:36.960 him needs to be to reach that ceiling. I would 1:33:37.040 --> 1:33:39.479 rather be in that conversation, I think, than some of 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:41.840 these more unpredictable what does it happen week to week, 1:33:41.920 --> 1:33:45.080 you know conversations. So if he was not in year one, 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:48.599 I would probably have him above Kyler and maybe other guys. 1:33:48.600 --> 1:33:50.040 But like, I need to see it in the league 1:33:50.080 --> 1:33:53.400 first before that's too disrespectful, I guess. But I think 1:33:53.439 --> 1:33:55.840 I I think, I mean, I believe in him, maybe 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:58.000 more than cam Ward after seeing cam Woard this year, 1:33:58.000 --> 1:33:59.880 and I think cam Ward's ceiling. You know the potent 1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:01.840 what he could be, just when you look at some 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:03.960 of the high degree difficulty throws with him, or like 1:34:04.040 --> 1:34:06.439 draw on the floor stuff, I just have no idea 1:34:06.439 --> 1:34:08.400 if he's ever going to be consistent within the structure 1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:10.479 of an offense getting the ball out that kind of stuff. 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:13.200 With Mendoza, I just feel better that you'll be able 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:15.120 to create something functional about him. You think about Sam 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:18.040 Darnold winning a Super Bowl, right like, I think he 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:19.920 could be that kind of quarterback. And obviously a lot 1:34:19.920 --> 1:34:21.720 of things were right for Seattle, but I think that's 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:23.639 in the cards for Windoze would be that kind of guy. 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:26.280 And now he plays with that oftense coordner as his 1:34:26.280 --> 1:34:28.799 head coach. So I'm I think I'm just more intrigued 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:30.760 by him than the guys below him, even though there's 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:32.520 certainly arguments for other players. 1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:34.439 I think it's a good value. 1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:37.280 He's more athletic than the people gave him credit for 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:41.519 ideal size. If he can pick up the getting through 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:43.759 his reads quickly, and I think there's some good signs 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:45.479 that he'll be able to do that. It's just hard 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:47.799 as a rookie. So I didn't take him any earlier. 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:51.599 But that's that's absolutely the right spot to take him out. Man, 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:55.120 we're still talking about the second year guys and yet. 1:34:55.800 --> 1:35:00.360 Oh man, you're gonna do it? Take it? What Young? 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:01.240 Are you going to take them? 1:35:01.320 --> 1:35:03.040 Yeah? Well that's yeah. How did you know? 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:06.160 Well him or Dart I'm thinking about Milk Willis is 1:35:06.200 --> 1:35:08.760 in there. I want to just give Bryce Young some 1:35:08.800 --> 1:35:11.040 love that. I think he improved on a lot of 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:14.840 things a little and that's how you get better, you know, 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:17.400 as a pro. I think he got to his checkdown quicker, 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:21.080 he avoided sacks better. His quick game was really good 1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:22.840 and they were able to use it. It was the push 1:35:22.880 --> 1:35:25.760 and pull of figuring out Canals' offense. There was more 1:35:25.800 --> 1:35:28.479 empty formations finally, which I think is going to help him. 1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:31.200 There was a little more extending plays. He's a good 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:34.000 outside the numbers thrower. There are limitations, but I do 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:37.000 think you're seeing the benefit of the experience that he's 1:35:37.080 --> 1:35:39.840 had at the NFL level. So entering year four here, 1:35:40.200 --> 1:35:43.040 I do like him a little better than those year 1:35:43.120 --> 1:35:45.960 two guys. Because at least I feel like he's kind 1:35:46.000 --> 1:35:48.639 of built up to where I know what he is 1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:51.280 and what he isn't. But I feel okay with him 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:52.200 at twenty four. 1:35:53.040 --> 1:35:55.920 I do too. I still think there's a solid player 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:57.960 in here. You could really make an argument that he 1:35:57.960 --> 1:35:59.840 should be as high as twenty maybe, and I think 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:02.559 this should This will be a telling year. Right, There's 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:05.599 been like marginal improvement I think each year with him. 1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:08.400 But it's been marginal, right, it hasn't. He went from 1:36:08.520 --> 1:36:10.679 can he play in the league? Questions like that's where 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:12.080 I was at when he got bench Frandy Doll in 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:14.240 the beginning of year two, it was will he even 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:15.760 make it in the league? Like will this guy just 1:36:15.800 --> 1:36:17.479 be out of the league because he's not that functional 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:19.360 as a backup you have to design a whole offense 1:36:19.400 --> 1:36:22.080 around a super unique skill set. So like he really 1:36:22.160 --> 1:36:25.080 is like the ultimate boom bust guy, but he's just 1:36:25.200 --> 1:36:28.160 inching closer to booming, but he's just not really there either, 1:36:28.280 --> 1:36:30.519 So like it's it's funny the space that he's found 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:32.800 himself in where he's like one of the players that 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:35.760 I would feel most surely will not be where he 1:36:35.840 --> 1:36:38.960 is not like he will either be off this list entirely, 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:40.799 out of the league, out of the question, like maybe 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:43.400 just because of the pedigree, people will keep taking chances 1:36:43.400 --> 1:36:45.640 at him on a roster, or he's going to make 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.920 a jump this year without Dave Canal's calm plays. And 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:51.320 I don't think Dave canl is necessarily the problem, but 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:54.240 I'm really curious to see if another approach. The whole 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:56.400 thing with Bryce Young has been similar to the Kyler 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:58.519 Murray question. I think, but Kyler Murray, I think he 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:01.800 doesn't want to ever buying any offense because he wants 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:03.240 to be his own guy. That's just who he is. 1:37:03.600 --> 1:37:05.360 I think Bryce Young would buy in. I just think 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:08.080 he can't play in that many different offenses, Like so 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:10.599 the fact that how do we design a run? Canals 1:37:10.640 --> 1:37:11.840 wants to run the ball, He wants to do all 1:37:11.840 --> 1:37:14.120 these things. He wants to build this way. Well, Bryce 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:16.439 Young wants to spread it around and throw the ball 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:20.200 around the yard, like being a point guard type of quarterback. 1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:23.000 And that's just hard, Like it's hard to structure a 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:26.000 lot of other things offensively off a quarterback who wants 1:37:26.040 --> 1:37:27.400 to play that way. And we've mentioned that a couple 1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:29.680 of times now, but I think that's the quandary of 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:32.280 the Panthers find themselves in, and Canal is recognizing maybe 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:34.240 I'm not the right guy to tap into everything that 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:36.760 he is, but it's way easier to place me than 1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:39.559 the quarterback or so I'm just gonna try that and 1:37:39.560 --> 1:37:41.519 if it doesn't work, I'll probably get fired anyway, like 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:44.679 if he doesn't progress, So I think making that move. 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:46.720 I'm really curious to see what happens this year with 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:48.840 Bryce Young. I could see a conversation of a way 1:37:48.880 --> 1:37:51.120 that he gets into the top fifteen. If it does 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:54.879 all just work and he's this super unique player, unique system, 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:57.040 they have enough pieces now around him. You could see 1:37:57.120 --> 1:37:59.400 Jalen Coker and Tetra McMillan and some of these guys 1:37:59.640 --> 1:38:03.200 like hitting their peak right like this season just taking off. 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:05.760 And but he's gonna need to be like really good 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:07.200 in that type of system. That is going to put 1:38:07.200 --> 1:38:09.160 a lot on his shoulders in terms of decision making, 1:38:09.439 --> 1:38:11.320 you know, knowing where he's going with the ball, pre snap, 1:38:11.640 --> 1:38:14.200 all that kind of stuff. And there's advantages to it 1:38:14.240 --> 1:38:16.360 for an offense, but it also probably means your run 1:38:16.400 --> 1:38:18.559 game menu will be really limited, which puts more on 1:38:18.600 --> 1:38:21.439 his shoulders again, so it's going to be compelling. He 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:24.720 is either that guy to the max or he's not 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:25.400 a guy at all. 1:38:26.360 --> 1:38:28.479 Yeah, Alex Smith has always been my compa, although he's 1:38:28.479 --> 1:38:32.679 five inches shorter. Not exactly as a style, but more 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:34.920 of the career that I think Bryce Young can have 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:37.519 if everything goes well in the type of type of 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:39.880 ways that he won. All Right, you're up with twenty 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:43.240 five again. We got we gotta got to get you 1:38:43.320 --> 1:38:46.679 back to the day job. But also everyone, as I mentioned, 1:38:46.800 --> 1:38:51.360 should be checking out John on substack with Ali when 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:53.599 they do their podcast The Readoptional. But John also does 1:38:53.640 --> 1:38:55.720 some great writing. There's a lot of Steelers, there's a 1:38:55.760 --> 1:38:59.600 lot of Bucks. He's got to be the foremost Steelers 1:38:59.680 --> 1:39:02.200 slash Bucks experts in the in. 1:39:02.160 --> 1:39:05.160 The NFL, there are dozens of us. There are dozens 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:08.920 of us. There's like two guys that are more that 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:10.840 are compelling still to talk about to me, maybe three 1:39:11.360 --> 1:39:13.640 Walls is certainly interesting. I'll take cam Ward next, though. 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:16.439 Just believe that I'm another pre draft. Wasn't great last year, 1:39:16.760 --> 1:39:18.800 Still believe he can be better than that. How good 1:39:18.840 --> 1:39:22.519 can he be? How volatile is he? Still questions there 1:39:22.560 --> 1:39:24.680 I think, but I mean, the situations around so bad. 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:26.040 I don't feel like I learned that much from his 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:28.400 rookie season, So just based on that, maybe I should 1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:30.040 have him higher. The only reason I don't is because 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:31.800 it's for twenty twenty six and I'm just not sure 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:34.519 that that much better, and so that's why he's not 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:37.000 highed to me. I think long term career wise, he 1:39:37.000 --> 1:39:38.759 would be over He would be in the high teens 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:41.080 for me probably, or maybe even mid teens for me. 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:44.120 Probably mid teens for me, because I still do believe 1:39:44.120 --> 1:39:46.360 there's a really good player in there. For twenty twenty six, 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:48.640 I don't know if it's gonna look great yet. I 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:51.400 think he's in just a one of the worst franchise, 1:39:51.479 --> 1:39:53.120 one of the worst situations in the league. 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:56.479 That that's tough. 1:39:57.520 --> 1:40:01.960 Look, the weapons are better, the the coaching hopefully should 1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:04.600 be better. One concerning to me is he had he 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:07.920 had the lowest market completion percentage when receivers were open 1:40:08.920 --> 1:40:12.000 last year, which you know, you see it on tape 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:14.320 like you know NGS measures, like a guy has three 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:17.400 you know yards of separation. His completion percentage on those 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:20.280 throws were the lowest, and so you want to see him, 1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:23.880 you know, scramble just like a little bit more, but 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:26.800 he's got a chance. I the wow plays were wow 1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:30.800 again a note of how deep the quarterback position is 1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:33.040 that he would go this lay. I'll go Malik Willis 1:40:33.080 --> 1:40:36.360 my top free agent the off season report shouldn't bother 1:40:36.439 --> 1:40:40.519 me about how slow it's going picking up this offense. 1:40:40.720 --> 1:40:43.479 But also it does bother me a little and just 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:46.320 reminds me of like, oh my god, Malik Washington's like 1:40:46.320 --> 1:40:48.960 their number one receiver. This is gonna be so hard. 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:52.760 And Bobby Slowek is his offensive coordinator. But he might 1:40:52.800 --> 1:40:55.760 be the best running quarterback in the NFL right now. 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:56.360 I think he is. 1:40:56.400 --> 1:40:59.000 If I had to choose, who gives you the most 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:02.479 on the ground, is a pure runner make you miss 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:05.479 it's Malik Willis. That gives you a nice floor. He 1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:07.920 had a lot of deep throws last year. Limited sample size, 1:41:08.200 --> 1:41:11.479 but the talent is intriguing. Malik Willis at twenty six. 1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:13.800 Yeah, gotta be fun to watch at the very least, 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:15.560 like I'm excited for that that part of it. I 1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:19.960 think I will go Jackson Dard here. He's nobody's taking him, right, 1:41:20.000 --> 1:41:23.639 He's still that's right. That they're still sitting there. I'll 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:28.639 take him. Uh just what were we at twenty twenty seven? Yes, 1:41:30.360 --> 1:41:32.400 I'm really torn on him. I thought he was okay 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:34.160 as a prospect, where I think he got a lot 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:36.680 of hate. I was kind of like, I think he solid. 1:41:36.520 --> 1:41:38.519 I'd you know, i'd take him in the second round. Like, 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:40.040 you know, I think he'd be that kind of a guy. 1:41:40.080 --> 1:41:41.800 And I don't know if I would have traded up 1:41:41.840 --> 1:41:43.080 for him or not, but I mean take him in 1:41:43.120 --> 1:41:44.720 the second round for a quarterback. He kind of had 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:46.760 like a solid starter type of grade for me in 1:41:46.800 --> 1:41:48.840 the league, like where he'd be in this range, probably 1:41:48.880 --> 1:41:50.439 like maybe in the higher twenty a little bit higher 1:41:50.439 --> 1:41:52.639 in the twenties and late late teens type of ceiling. 1:41:54.000 --> 1:41:56.240 I think that's basically he is. Like I'm curious to 1:41:56.240 --> 1:41:57.599 see what it looks like if he's when he's out 1:41:57.680 --> 1:41:59.599 able to sustain health. I think Giants fans are going 1:41:59.640 --> 1:42:01.439 to be pretty upset that he's that he's just low. 1:42:01.520 --> 1:42:04.400 But you know, and i'd probably have him ahead of 1:42:04.520 --> 1:42:07.120 Willis maybe personally, but you know, I think you could 1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:09.839 make that argument either way. Willison is compelling and exciting, 1:42:09.880 --> 1:42:12.160 and you know, I think both of these guys have 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:15.720 some you know, leadership tendencies that are going to be 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:18.640 a really interesting to tap into, very different in a 1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:20.320 lot of ways, and so I think that there's going 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:22.400 to be when they're given sort of like the show 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:25.439 to run, what's that going to look like over a 1:42:25.439 --> 1:42:28.200 longer period of time. I just really question that Dart 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:30.280 is going to like he seems like he just kind 1:42:30.280 --> 1:42:32.080 of plays dumb football. And I don't mean like in 1:42:32.160 --> 1:42:34.879 terms of turnovers, just like he's just kind of reckless 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:36.840 and doesn't really think through things when he does them. 1:42:36.840 --> 1:42:38.720 And I you know, obviously the injuries are a part 1:42:38.720 --> 1:42:40.920 of that, but like even plays where he wasn't injured, 1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:43.000 there was a lot of just like, yeah, I can 1:42:43.040 --> 1:42:44.840 take it, I can get hammered, and I just am 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:47.439 not sure, Like, but but the upside plays aren't like that. 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:49.559 But like he was like, oh, but he's all the 1:42:49.560 --> 1:42:52.280 payoff on the other side of this creation. It's just unbelievable. 1:42:52.479 --> 1:42:55.479 I didn't really see that. So there's definitely more of 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:57.160 a ceiling here than some of the guys ahead of him. 1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:59.559 But I still have questions, I think, as to whether 1:42:59.600 --> 1:43:03.080 he's going to sustained as an NFL starting quarterback to me, yeah, even. 1:43:02.960 --> 1:43:07.360 Just comparing him and Willis for instance, like the baseline 1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:12.040 of Willis is running, and then the experience that Willis 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:15.760 had in the Mattlefleur system for multiple years was kind 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:17.759 of the edge for me, whereas I feel like Dart's 1:43:17.840 --> 1:43:21.560 gonna still need more season. I do think the athleticism 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:25.720 and the highs were a little higher, better than even expected. 1:43:26.080 --> 1:43:29.439 But he was a first read quarterback really, Like once 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:32.280 it was after the first read, he's scrambling around. Things 1:43:32.360 --> 1:43:36.120 didn't go that well. That's Jackson Dart at twenty seven. 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:40.280 Now we're really getting into it. The fact that Jackson 1:43:40.360 --> 1:43:41.760 Darts twenty seven again. 1:43:42.320 --> 1:43:44.479 It's pretty good. Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if. 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:46.680 Jackson Dart's a top ten quarterback at some point in 1:43:46.720 --> 1:43:50.840 his career and he's fallen here at twenty seventh. I 1:43:50.880 --> 1:43:55.679 think I'll take our guy, Mac Jones. Okay, the NFL, 1:43:55.920 --> 1:43:59.320 you know it's every quarterback's a system quarterback, right, what's 1:43:59.360 --> 1:44:02.000 the most popular system out there in the NFL? John, 1:44:02.040 --> 1:44:05.360 what system dominates this league? We know Mac Jones fits 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:07.160 in this system. Hell, you can throw him in a 1:44:07.240 --> 1:44:09.920 Jaguars weird system a couple of years ago, and actually 1:44:09.920 --> 1:44:11.720 he could spin it pretty well for them too, So 1:44:12.120 --> 1:44:16.439 he is an ideal backup really if you're in a pin. 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:18.760 He's a bridge starter one B. 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:19.840 But I. 1:44:21.439 --> 1:44:25.000 Liked that he kind of combines understanding what to do 1:44:25.080 --> 1:44:28.920 with aggressiveness. Not all out of athleticism obviously, but that's 1:44:28.960 --> 1:44:31.320 why he's a backup. And I feel like he would 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:32.960 fit on a lot of teams and just kind of 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:34.080 upgrade your team. 1:44:34.600 --> 1:44:37.000 Yeah, just the ceiling with him because there's not much 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:40.120 movement ability and I think just limited tools overall. But yeah, 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:42.240 he's definitely a guy that you can get to like 1:44:42.320 --> 1:44:44.839 learn the system, master the system, play within the system, 1:44:45.280 --> 1:44:49.479 and be solid for you. I think there's absolutely number. 1:44:49.520 --> 1:44:50.479 His numbers are crazy. 1:44:50.520 --> 1:44:53.200 Last year, he's like top five completion over expected, top 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:53.759 five success. 1:44:53.920 --> 1:44:55.639 He lit up the Rams a couple of times. 1:44:55.640 --> 1:44:57.320 Lit Up is maybe a little strong, but he played 1:44:57.320 --> 1:45:01.480 well against the Rams in two games. 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:01.840 In this spot for me too. The other guy that 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:03.960 I still I will I'll take next year. It was 1:45:03.960 --> 1:45:07.040 the twenty ninth Gino Smith. I know that last year 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:09.920 was just an absolute disaster. I still think there's some 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:11.960 bounce back potential there is that can happen with the Jets. 1:45:12.000 --> 1:45:15.519 Probably not, But I still think his years of Seattle 1:45:15.520 --> 1:45:17.439 were legit good and I don't think you could talk 1:45:17.479 --> 1:45:19.559 me off his years in Seattle being legit good like 1:45:19.600 --> 1:45:22.559 that that happened, that was real, And I don't know, 1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:24.280 like I just still think he's not just going to 1:45:24.360 --> 1:45:25.880 totally fall part as a player. The way that it 1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:28.439 looked last season less He's was a complete disaster in 1:45:28.479 --> 1:45:31.240 every stretch of the imagine, every semblance of the thing 1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:34.559 was just a mess with the Raiders, and so I 1:45:34.960 --> 1:45:37.960 even with the Jets, which is just a terrible going 1:45:38.040 --> 1:45:40.400 for the Raiders of the Jets is truly should be 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:42.439 something that never happens to a player in their career, 1:45:42.760 --> 1:45:44.800 but it's happened to Gino Smith that. But even then, 1:45:44.880 --> 1:45:48.320 I think there's some the more of a chance for competency, 1:45:48.320 --> 1:45:50.559 and I still think he's talented. So I mean, we're 1:45:50.560 --> 1:45:53.040 talking about twenty ninth, so it's not any great shakes, 1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:55.040 a great praise, but at least to be a high 1:45:55.080 --> 1:45:57.080 and back of if not like a solid starter type. 1:45:57.600 --> 1:45:59.000 I think you could look at the end of this 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:00.640 year and be like, Okay, yeah, he's back in like 1:46:00.680 --> 1:46:03.240 the twenty range of quarterbacks. I don't think that's out of. 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:05.200 The question exactly where I had him. 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:07.720 I had these two twenty eight and twenty nine Mac 1:46:07.800 --> 1:46:10.400 and Gino Smith, And the biggest upset of this entire 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:12.840 draft is that I didn't take Gino or Drake make 1:46:12.920 --> 1:46:15.960 Maybe I'm trying to over correct my own biases because 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:20.240 I'm the president of Geno Nation. Only thirty five years old, 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:23.120 you know, I mean that's young for quarterbacks these days. 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:25.600 The story, the stories that have come out about just 1:46:25.640 --> 1:46:29.120 the coaching and the offense with the Raiders, if nothing else, 1:46:29.120 --> 1:46:31.360 He's going to give his receivers a chance. They like 1:46:31.400 --> 1:46:35.280 the Jets reporters almost sound sad that they're like, it's 1:46:35.320 --> 1:46:39.120 shocking how much better the quarterback play is in offseason practices. 1:46:39.160 --> 1:46:41.960 And I'm just like, wow, it was rough there last year. 1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:45.680 Rip justin Field too, who might not get taken here. 1:46:45.840 --> 1:46:49.040 I don't know. I'm gonna go Kirk. 1:46:49.520 --> 1:46:49.720 Yeah. 1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:51.719 I thought he played well at the end of last season. 1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:52.640 Me too. 1:46:52.800 --> 1:46:54.519 I think he's just a little bit better version of 1:46:54.800 --> 1:46:56.880 where Rogers is right now, Like neither one of them 1:46:56.920 --> 1:46:57.599 want to get hit. 1:46:59.080 --> 1:47:02.280 But if you just mean yeah, Yeah, Kirk's just better 1:47:02.360 --> 1:47:05.160 playing within the offense, I think than Rodgers at this point. 1:47:05.200 --> 1:47:07.280 Neither one I want to get hit, neither one will 1:47:07.280 --> 1:47:10.280 get hit much. I just think Kirk's better at actually 1:47:10.320 --> 1:47:13.400 like consistently playing tall airs of the field within a 1:47:13.439 --> 1:47:16.200 structure of an offense than Rogers is at this point. 1:47:16.240 --> 1:47:19.280 I think He's a little more fearless and a little 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:21.559 more capable of going different places with the ball than 1:47:21.600 --> 1:47:22.240 Rodgers's not. 1:47:22.360 --> 1:47:24.800 But this might this might be bucks coated because he 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:27.519 because Kirk Cousins is Todd Bowles is worst nightmare. So 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:30.800 you as a as a as a Bucks enthusiast, you know, 1:47:30.880 --> 1:47:33.200 you see the best of Kirk. Although he really was 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:37.160 moving better and playing better a year further removed from Achilles, 1:47:37.200 --> 1:47:38.920 So I think that was big Yeah yeah for him 1:47:38.920 --> 1:47:43.000 and Rodgers, but especially for for Cousins last year. I 1:47:43.000 --> 1:47:44.160 think he's a great backup. 1:47:44.200 --> 1:47:46.320 He's perfect for the role that he's I would if 1:47:46.360 --> 1:47:48.759 I was if I was Bucks coating Kirk Cousins performances, 1:47:48.760 --> 1:47:52.400 I would have taken him top five because his last 1:47:52.400 --> 1:47:56.160 three games against Tampa Bay have been unbelievable ways in 1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:56.639 my pick. 1:47:56.560 --> 1:47:59.000 Next, yeah, yeah is the Steelers guy gotta fight is 1:47:59.080 --> 1:48:00.679 Rogers finally going off the board. 1:48:01.160 --> 1:48:03.599 Youn't believe you're making me do this. I can't believe. 1:48:03.680 --> 1:48:08.519 I really he's next on mine as well. I really 1:48:08.560 --> 1:48:10.559 flirted with taking the guy that I have thirty second 1:48:10.800 --> 1:48:14.520 over him, just to say I didn't take Aaron Rodgers because. 1:48:14.160 --> 1:48:15.920 If you don't want to take the other guy, take 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:17.280 the other guy, because it'll I. 1:48:17.240 --> 1:48:20.559 Don't think I could justify it at that. Steelers fans 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:23.679 will maybe they'll forgive me to having him to this point, 1:48:24.000 --> 1:48:26.040 but I don't think they'd forgive my thirty second guy, 1:48:26.040 --> 1:48:28.400 although I think there's a chance that happens. But Aaron 1:48:28.439 --> 1:48:31.080 Rodgers thirty first, Yeah, I mean it feels right. That's 1:48:31.080 --> 1:48:33.280 about the range for him. You know obviously you know 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:36.519 we have what two backups three backups ahead of him, 1:48:36.520 --> 1:48:40.400 so like there's some I just think if you're talking 1:48:40.439 --> 1:48:42.120 about like you still have a couple of plays in 1:48:42.160 --> 1:48:43.960 you Yeah, sure he has that in them, but like 1:48:44.240 --> 1:48:48.679 consistently sustainably good quarterback play. No, And he's also making 1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:51.439 more mistakes with the football. He had some terrible turnovers 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:53.880 last year, fumbles, the sacks that he does take. It's 1:48:53.880 --> 1:48:55.720 just an absolute car crash in the back for like, 1:48:55.720 --> 1:48:57.920 he doesn't offend him, he has no like, he just 1:48:58.040 --> 1:49:00.240 is like it's like he doesn't want to be out there. 1:49:00.240 --> 1:49:01.680 But then he gets hit and it's just like a 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:03.719 ton of bricks. He's flying all over the place the body. 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:05.320 Every time he gets hit, he looks like he's not 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:07.560 going to get back up and he doesn't want to 1:49:07.560 --> 1:49:09.479 get it. He's always angry when he gets hit. I'm like, 1:49:09.600 --> 1:49:11.240 that's kind of part of playing the position. Buddy, you 1:49:11.240 --> 1:49:13.160 should retire if you don't want to do that, And 1:49:13.200 --> 1:49:16.160 so it's just a hard needle to thread. He's mad 1:49:16.200 --> 1:49:18.320 at young guys all the time, even when he makes mistakes. 1:49:18.360 --> 1:49:20.280 But that's just part of his leadership. But I don't 1:49:20.320 --> 1:49:22.519 I think in the locker room things are probably fine. 1:49:22.920 --> 1:49:25.439 It's just if for a team that wants to evolve, 1:49:25.560 --> 1:49:27.719 he doesn't really help you do that, and he doesn't 1:49:27.760 --> 1:49:30.160 help you turn theit in the next chapter necessarily. So 1:49:30.560 --> 1:49:32.479 his place in the league I think is a really 1:49:32.560 --> 1:49:35.320 like might not exist if it wasn't for the Steelers, 1:49:35.360 --> 1:49:37.360 and they're like kind of archaic way of thinking as 1:49:37.360 --> 1:49:40.200 a franchise a little bit. But we're at thirty one 1:49:40.360 --> 1:49:42.320 and you know he can still make a few throws 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:44.760 at times and look good for a quarter or two, 1:49:44.880 --> 1:49:47.800 and you know, inspire some hope. Just that arm is 1:49:47.840 --> 1:49:50.479 still pretty electric. So he's got that going for him. 1:49:50.520 --> 1:49:51.240 Right like Bryce. 1:49:51.640 --> 1:49:54.040 You have to run a very specific type of offense 1:49:54.080 --> 1:49:55.800 now with Aaron Rodgers, but it's not an offense I 1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:57.760 want to run. I always just just keep coming back 1:49:57.760 --> 1:50:00.720 to the number that stands out to me is when 1:50:00.800 --> 1:50:04.200 pressured last year, his success rate was worse than the 1:50:04.280 --> 1:50:07.759 league by a huge margin, like lower than I think Slacko, 1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:10.640 cam Ward and JJ where the JJ McCarthy were the 1:50:10.680 --> 1:50:13.479 next ones he just plays over essentially, So that leaves 1:50:13.560 --> 1:50:17.400 us at thirty two. I had Rodgers there at thirty one. 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:20.200 I'm curious who you had here. I'm gonna I'm gonna 1:50:20.200 --> 1:50:21.720 show you at least how I wrote it down. I'm 1:50:21.720 --> 1:50:23.280 not sure if I'm going to draft it this way, 1:50:23.600 --> 1:50:27.160 but these are the next guys. Tua is there, Jakobe 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:31.360 Brissett's there, Michael Pennox is there, and I wrote down Mariota. 1:50:31.400 --> 1:50:33.320 But now we're getting pretty pretty deep. 1:50:33.800 --> 1:50:37.120 Mariota, that's the guy. That's why I had guy. Yeah, 1:50:37.280 --> 1:50:39.439 I mean we're thirty two. So it is what it is. 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:43.120 But I think Washington's offense last year was actually, like 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:46.120 by a lot of metrics if they were like eighteenth 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:46.840 to twenties second. 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:49.120 Yeah, his numbers were great last year. 1:50:49.160 --> 1:50:52.240 I think he's he's a good He's developed into one 1:50:52.240 --> 1:50:54.200 of the best backups in the league. He was eighth 1:50:54.240 --> 1:50:57.280 in completion percentage over expected, like led the league in 1:50:57.320 --> 1:51:00.000 downfield attempts, Like he's willing to throw it into tight windows, 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:02.200 you know, in terms of our rate stat and pretty 1:51:02.200 --> 1:51:04.240 average and success rate, Like there wasn't a big drop 1:51:04.240 --> 1:51:05.240 off Jayden to him. 1:51:06.680 --> 1:51:09.120 I think he's just, yeah, he doesn't. A lot of 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:11.120 things about his game have kind of smoothed out. He's 1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:13.080 never going to be great, obviously, he's in those thirty 1:51:13.120 --> 1:51:15.320 second Range's career back if he's thirty, will be his 1:51:15.360 --> 1:51:18.559 age thirty three season. So like, obviously a lot of questions, 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:20.400 But if you're just saying, like, does he give you 1:51:20.479 --> 1:51:22.160 a better chance to win? Would you rather have him 1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:24.280 than all the guys you mentioned, which are also the 1:51:24.280 --> 1:51:26.599 other guys that I've written out here, Yeah, I think 1:51:26.600 --> 1:51:28.640 he does. And I don't know I really saw it. 1:51:28.760 --> 1:51:33.400 I do think like with Stefanski, Sorry to. I do 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:36.639 you think with Stefanski too could look a little more 1:51:36.800 --> 1:51:40.640 like to Again, he does have some skill set that 1:51:40.680 --> 1:51:43.200 I'm not totally giving up on. He is an NFL quarterback. 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:46.080 To me, uh, that was a difficult situation. I think 1:51:46.160 --> 1:51:49.800 mentally everything, he was really just going through it. And 1:51:49.880 --> 1:51:54.439 yet my my producer, Eric Roberts knows me well, I mean, 1:51:54.479 --> 1:51:57.120 Jacoby's my guy. I'm just saying, you know, I've always 1:51:57.200 --> 1:52:01.400 been a team Jacoby. It's just a guy, and I 1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:03.200 can take him here at thirty two. What the hell, 1:52:03.280 --> 1:52:05.800 let's take let's take toa Kobe Brissette. There you go, 1:52:05.880 --> 1:52:08.240 Let's have some fun, just like I like Jacoby too. 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:10.599 That's just it. I mean, he's next for me here 1:52:10.640 --> 1:52:12.040 here Panics were probably next for me. 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:15.280 Yeah, it would be interesting. 1:52:15.320 --> 1:52:17.599 He just keeps having to learn a new offense every 1:52:17.640 --> 1:52:20.400 single season, Jacoby Brissett, and he's gonna have to sign 1:52:20.479 --> 1:52:22.639 that contract and get in and actually learn this offense. 1:52:22.680 --> 1:52:24.479 I think the I think the least is going to 1:52:24.560 --> 1:52:27.360 be very short for him. But for the most part, 1:52:27.479 --> 1:52:32.559 Patriots era accepted. Uh, you know, the two point zero 1:52:33.439 --> 1:52:35.000 with two I think for me, he's got to give 1:52:35.000 --> 1:52:36.720 you credible play, like you kind of know what you're 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:38.519 getting with Jacoby, So I'm gonna take it. 1:52:38.600 --> 1:52:40.519 With two of for me just quickly to address him, 1:52:40.920 --> 1:52:43.920 I don't know when i'd pick him because the odds 1:52:44.120 --> 1:52:45.960 if I'm just picking them for twenty twenty six, because 1:52:45.960 --> 1:52:49.960 the odds he'd get hurt are high, I think, and 1:52:50.040 --> 1:52:51.679 then i'd have to be with a backup, and then 1:52:51.880 --> 1:52:54.120 the upside if he doesn't get hurt is not great 1:52:54.200 --> 1:52:57.439 enough for me to inherit the risk. So I that's 1:52:57.439 --> 1:52:58.840 where I kind of see his career at this point. 1:52:58.880 --> 1:53:01.479 So like maybe I'm over thinking it by by looking 1:53:01.520 --> 1:53:04.320 at it so practically, but I think that's probably why 1:53:04.320 --> 1:53:07.400 I wouldn't take him, maybe for another couple of spots 1:53:07.439 --> 1:53:09.840 even but it is possible that there's still a season 1:53:09.840 --> 1:53:11.320 in there for him, and like that he ends up 1:53:11.320 --> 1:53:12.559 being in this twenties range. 1:53:12.840 --> 1:53:14.559 He was the next one I wrote down because I 1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:17.640 actually think with with the fans GI, he might have 1:53:17.680 --> 1:53:20.760 the highest ceiling of these guys. Actually that I and 1:53:20.800 --> 1:53:23.439 it's it's not crazy, but we've seen his his ceiling 1:53:23.439 --> 1:53:26.040 where you're just like, okay, you know in rhythm he 1:53:26.120 --> 1:53:28.439 does what he does well in the right in the 1:53:28.520 --> 1:53:31.040 right offense like he can. He can get some buckets 1:53:31.080 --> 1:53:32.760 for you, but I don't trust him in the end, 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:34.040 so I'm taking Jacoby. 1:53:34.120 --> 1:53:35.559 We did it done. 1:53:36.720 --> 1:53:38.880 We've we've been going a little longer with all these 1:53:38.960 --> 1:53:41.240 NFL Daily thirty twos as we've gone, and but you 1:53:41.280 --> 1:53:42.920 have we have set the record together. 1:53:43.160 --> 1:53:43.840 But it makes sense. 1:53:43.880 --> 1:53:46.960 It's the quarterbacks, that's right. It's a lot to talk about, 1:53:47.000 --> 1:53:49.840 it really is for this position, for sure, it's a lot. 1:53:50.439 --> 1:53:52.280 You're the best, John. I appreciate. 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:54.640 Like I said, everyone check out his work audibles and 1:53:54.720 --> 1:53:57.960 analytics and then the podcast the read Optional and yeah, 1:53:57.960 --> 1:54:00.080 we wanted to give you a big chunky up. So 1:54:00.120 --> 1:54:03.080 because this is gonna be our last one of this week, 1:54:03.280 --> 1:54:06.479 it's gonna sit over the long holiday weekend as the 1:54:06.600 --> 1:54:08.519 NFL Daily crew hit that music. 1:54:09.360 --> 1:54:11.960 You know, it takes a nice little break, not much 1:54:12.000 --> 1:54:12.240 of one. 1:54:12.280 --> 1:54:17.679 We'll be back next week. Jordan Rodriguez covered there, and man, 1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:19.559 it was fun. I don't think we're done with NFL 1:54:19.760 --> 1:54:22.040 Daily thirty two, but we did. The receivers. We've got 1:54:22.040 --> 1:54:24.800 the skill positions now taken care of, and the quarterbacks 1:54:24.880 --> 1:54:27.439 are in the books. We will see you next week, 1:54:27.560 --> 1:54:28.800 enjoy the fourth of July.