1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: It's that time time time, time, luck and load. The 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: Michael Very Show is on the air. It's Charlie from 3 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: BlackBerry's Mother. I can feel a good when coming on. 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: It's the Michael Berry Shows. 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: In the twenty sixth chapter of the Book of Matthew, 6 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: Jesus is in the garden of get Simone and he 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: is being arrested by a servant of the High Priest 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: who has been sent because he continues to preach the 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: word of God and his disciple Peter, in order to 10 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: protect Jesus pulls out his sword and I think he 11 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: cuts the guy's ear off. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: Recall correctly, and. 13 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 3: The verses twenty six fifty two, which I was remembered 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: because twenty six double is fifty two in the Book 15 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: of Matthew, where Jesus in basically is rebuking Peter. No, no, no, 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: we are building the kingdom of Heaven. We are not 17 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: building a kingdom on earth. I don't need armed conflict 18 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: to save me. I have to suffer. I have to 19 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: die for your sins. He knows this. That's not the quote, 20 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: that's not the part I'm talking about. But he says, 21 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 22 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: You will often hear that said live by the sword, 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: die by the sword. There are a number of different 24 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: versions of it. But what he was saying, as usual, 25 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: was something much larger than a sword or even an armament. 26 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: But it was rather the means by which you live 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: your life will be the means by which your life 28 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: will be measured. And if you use evil, then evil 29 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: will take you down. And so it's fascinating to me 30 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: how often rush Limbaugh was correct when he said that 31 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: whatever the Democrats are accusing you of is what they 32 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: are doing themselves. On February sixteenth of last year, Big Tish, 33 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: the big fat Attorney General of New York, tweeted, when 34 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: powerful people cheat to get better loans, it comes at 35 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: the expensive, hardworking people. Everyday, Americans cannot lie to a 36 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: bank to get a mortgage, and if they did, our 37 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: government would throw the book at them. There simply cannot 38 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: be different rules for different people. One of the chances 39 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: that as she was saying that she was her a 40 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: perpetrator of mortgage fraud, you know what she thought this 41 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: statement would go into the history books. I will be 42 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 3: the strong black woman who took on a former president 43 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: of the United States and one I will get my 44 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: own day during Black History Month. After all of this, 45 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: my father's slash husband, because remember she claimed her father 46 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: was her husband because she needed his income on the 47 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: end credit score on the application my father's slash husband. 48 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: You notice how often these people are married to or 49 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: using family members. Have you got ilhan Omre and her brother. 50 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: So she had to craft a statement that was worthy 51 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: of the history books because she was going down in history, 52 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: I'll have you know, and she said. 53 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: It's simple but fundamental pillar of our democracy that the 54 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: rule of law ploys to all of us equally fairly 55 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: and justly. 56 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: You'd see Big Tish was going after the big fish. 57 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: But as it turns out, she is a criminal. She 58 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: has committed mortgage fraud. That is so open and closed case. 59 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: There would be no way, once this case had been 60 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: exposed that anyone would be able with a straight face 61 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: to defend not bringing the charges that have been brought 62 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 3: against her. And it has now happened. The federal grand 63 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: jury has indicted Big Tish. There will be justice in 64 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: the land. Big Tish, who tried to bring a fake 65 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: case against Donald Trump for mortgage fraud, has now herself 66 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: been indicted for same. 67 00:04:51,400 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 5: Enjoy this moment, cibrating that, celebrating. 68 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: That, that's simple. 69 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 4: What a fundamental pillar of our democracy that the rules 70 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: law ploys to all of us. 71 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 6: Merely a fine coming already here a celebrate the last 72 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 6: throughout the years. 73 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: So bring your good times and. 74 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 7: You love that too. 75 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 8: January twentieth, twenty twenty five is Liberation Day. 76 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: Michael Very show a murder. 77 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: The news broke this week that Dolly Parton was not 78 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: doing well. It turns out that news broke from her sister, 79 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: and uh, her sister made it seem like she. 80 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: Was about to die. 81 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: Prayers for Dolly, and Dolly apparently did not appreciate that 82 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: one bit, so she had to film a video to say, no, no, no, 83 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: I'm doing fine. 84 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 9: I want to say something one of today's October the eighth, 85 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 9: And obviously I'm here doing some commercials for the grand 86 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 9: Ola Ibbry, which is why I'm grissed, kind of like 87 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 9: old country Western girl. But before I got started, I 88 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 9: wanted to say, I know lately everybody thinks that I am. 89 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 7: Sicker than I am. Do I look sick to you? 90 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 9: I'm working hard here anyway, I wanted to put everybody's 91 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 9: mind at ease. Those of you that seemed to be 92 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 9: real concerned, which I appreciate, and I appreciate your prayers. 93 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Because I'm a person of. 94 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 9: Faith, I can always use the prayers for anything and everything. 95 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 9: But I want you to know that I'm okay. I've 96 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 9: got some problems. As I mentioned, when my husband Carl 97 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 9: was very sick. That was for a long time, and 98 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 9: then when he passed, I didn't take care of myself, 99 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 9: so I let a lot of things go that I 100 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 9: should have been taken care of. So anyway, when I 101 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 9: got around to it, the doctor said, we need to 102 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 9: take care of this, we need to take care of that. 103 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 9: Nothing major, but I did have to cancel some things 104 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 9: so I could be closer to home, closer to Vanderbilt, 105 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 9: you know where I'm kind of having a few treatments 106 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 9: here and there. But I wanted you to know that 107 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 9: I'm not dying. 108 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: Well, she went all saccer and sweet there, but I 109 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: guarantee she wasn't so nice to her sister. She didn't 110 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: need that. Our sister's not her publicism. She didn't like 111 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: that one bit. This is the voicemail she left for 112 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: her sister. 113 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 10: Your college been forwarded to an automatic voice message system 114 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 10: at the town. Please record your message. When you have 115 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 10: finished recording, you may hang up, press one for more options. Hi, bitch, sister, 116 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 10: Yeah you know this is your sister on her deathbed. 117 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 10: Let me tell you something. 118 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 9: If I ever hear you say another word about my 119 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 9: damn kidney stones or uti infection or venereal diseases from 120 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 9: Kenny Rogers, I will end you. 121 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 7: See you at Thanksgiving? 122 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 6: Bitch. 123 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did not well well. 124 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: Back to Big Tish, the Attorney General of New York 125 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: who has been indicted. It was a former criminal turned 126 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: forensic accountant who discovered that Big Tish lied on her 127 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: mortgage applications. There's not one application, there are multiple applications 128 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: for multiple dwellings. Lying on mortgage applications seems to be 129 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: her modus operandi MO as it were. Sam An Tar 130 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: was on Newsmax when he disclosed what he found, and 131 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: this is what he said. 132 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty three, she takes out a thirty thousand dollars 133 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: loan with her dad. 134 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 7: She files it as a husband and wife. She's married 135 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 7: to a father. 136 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 8: Why first of all, that was discovered by Joe Gil 137 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 8: but not me. I don't want to take credit for 138 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 8: anybody's work, all right. That was nineteen eighty three. What 139 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 8: he found was that she bought the house as daughter 140 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 8: and mother, father and daughter, and then she when they 141 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 8: did the mortgage, who. 142 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: His husband and wife? 143 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 8: Also, you get different underwriting his husband and wife than 144 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 8: as you buy it as you know, partners or different 145 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 8: two family members. 146 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 10: We have. 147 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 8: Now this is different from the Brooklyn home. This is 148 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 8: a different property. I think it was in Queens. In Queens, yea, 149 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 8: it's a long time. This is forty one years ago, 150 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 8: forty two years ago. 151 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: What's amazing is my gut reaction to some guy who 152 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: is an admitted, convicted criminal saying I did some digging, 153 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: I did some research in the Attorney General of New York, 154 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: who's prosecuting Donald Trump, is herself a criminal, and here 155 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: is the proof. 156 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: And I would go, yeah, sure, Sam, thanks a lot, 157 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: we'll get right. 158 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 3: But it was true. It was absolutely true. She also 159 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: lied and said that her townhouse was a four unit dwelling. 160 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Brooklyn, New York. This is her actual 161 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: main residence. She walked out of this house this morning. 162 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: In townhouse she holds it's a multi family home. You 163 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: discovered James has been claiming that her townhouse is a 164 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: four unit dwelling when it actually has five units. 165 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 7: Why would she do this to obtain lower mortgage rates? 166 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 8: Again, motivation if one to four units has different underwriting 167 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 8: guidelines and also insurance too, by the way, insurance freud, 168 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 8: whereas if it's five or more units, it's considered a 169 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 8: commercial property and also subject to different insurance guidelines. She 170 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 8: repeatedly lied because there's a certificate of occupancy that states 171 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 8: that it's five units, and in New York that rules. 172 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 8: And it's unbelievable that that complaints were file with the 173 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 8: Department of Buildings and they wrote it off as a 174 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 8: minor problem, minor era, where every other landlord in New 175 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 8: York if you pull that stunt legal conversion having a 176 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 8: building that's different from the certific occuncy, they will find you. 177 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: They will make you all to the building. 178 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: She's flat out lying on these documents. She didn't deny 179 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: anything about it. 180 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: That is absolutely true. So imagine if with when you 181 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: bought your home. Imagine if you're single and you could 182 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: claim that your dad was your husband, so you would 183 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: have two income family. That's the bank's requirement to get 184 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 3: this percentage rate on your loan. And imagine if that 185 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: would save you several thousand dollars a month, say thirty 186 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year, three hundred thousand over ten years. 187 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: It's real money. It's also fraud. 188 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: You see, the basis of the banking system is that 189 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: when you sign that document that says what I attest 190 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: to hear is true under penalty of law. That's how 191 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: we sort of self police and run a system where 192 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: risk is monetized properly right that the business is operating 193 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: with a sense of fairness. 194 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: That's why we have these laws. 195 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: And for her, the Attorney General, to break these laws 196 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: across multiple states, well, she's a dirty, dirty dog, as 197 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: are the Democrats. 198 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: There is no respect for the law. 199 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: And whatever they claim you're doing is what they are 200 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: themselves actually doing. 201 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 11: Michael Ferry, and that's why more people are watching the 202 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 11: cartoon networks. 203 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: Thungebobbery runs right now. 204 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: The second more with big dishes mortgage fraud for which 205 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: she has been indicted today by grand jury. This is 206 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: Sam Antar, the former criminal who's turned a forensic accountant 207 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: who discovered all of this, explained to Rob Schmidt on 208 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 3: Newsmax that Big Tish lied and said, so we know 209 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: that she lied on one application saying that her father 210 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: was her husband, because then that would mean his income 211 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: could count as her income on the house and would 212 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: improve the credit score because he had a higher credit score. 213 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: She lied on another property, saying that it was a 214 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: four unit dwelling, when in fact that is not the 215 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 3: correct number, and the rates of insurance and the loan 216 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: documents are affected by how many units of property is, 217 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: and that changes everything when it's a single family, which 218 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: is what most folks live in, or if it's a duplex, 219 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: or if it's a triplex or four plex or five plex, 220 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: and that changes all the numbers. She knew what she 221 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: was doing when she lied. In fact, she had a 222 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: city inspector change how he wrote it up as how 223 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: many units there were after he originally got it right, 224 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: because again she knew she was committing fraud, and now 225 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: she induced a government employee who probably felt pressure to 226 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: do so by the top law enforcement official in the state. 227 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: She lied on her Virginia property. Remember she's the she 228 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: doesn't work in DC, she lives in New York. She 229 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: claimed her Virginia property would be her primary residence. How 230 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: could it be You're the Attorney General of the state 231 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: of New York. 232 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: Starting with this Virginia property that she claimed as her 233 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: primary residence while she was I mean, this is Norfolk, Virginia. 234 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: It's probably five to six hour drive claiming it's her 235 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: primary residence. 236 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 7: While she's the age of New York. 237 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: From your report, you see James signed a specific power 238 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: of attorney declaring her intent to make six to oho 239 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: fourth Sterling Street in Norfolk, Virginia her prince residents. I 240 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: legally binding statement that may have automatically vacated her position 241 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: as New York Attorney General under Public Officer's Law thirty, 242 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: a declaration that came just forty five days before she 243 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: launched her case or civil fraud case against Donald Trump. 244 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 7: Tell us more about what happened in Virginia here. 245 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 8: She purchased a property with a relative news is in 246 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 8: two thousand and twenty three, a few weeks she closed. 247 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 8: She closed on it right before the Trump trial, and 248 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 8: in the file documents with the County Clerk's office there 249 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 8: was a power of attorney that she gave her cousin 250 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 8: or niece to close the mortgage and on the power 251 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 8: of attorney, she represented, I intend to use this property 252 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 8: as my primary residence. Now there's two problems with that. 253 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 8: The first problem is she liaed on a power of attorney. 254 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 8: Would anybody really believe that she was going to move 255 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 8: to Virginia in the middle of the Trump trial. Second 256 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 8: part is this section six the mortgage that states that 257 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 8: the borrower, meaning her and her niece, have to occupy 258 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 8: the property as their primary residence within sixty days, not 259 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 8: one or the other both. 260 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 7: Wow, she never she at least occupied it, right, That's fine? 261 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 7: What was what was the motivation to do this? 262 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 8: While I lower interest rate or interest rates, I'd call 263 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 8: her a petty thief. 264 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: A petty thief. 265 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: This is I mean, this is when you look at 266 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: the allegation she made against Trump? 267 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 7: Is this act worse? 268 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Better? 269 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 8: Saying well, no, listen Trump, Trump is not a real felon. 270 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 7: I'm a real felon. 271 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 8: Okay, So, so Trump didn't do anything wrong? 272 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah you don't think you don't see anything wrong in 273 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: the case you made against Trump? 274 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Do you think? 275 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 7: I mean, obviously the jury here thought that he did 276 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 7: something wrong. 277 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Well, listen, it. 278 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 8: Seems like you should have listened to the appellate arguments, 279 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 8: because the appellate judges seem to be they're gonna it 280 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 8: seems like they're going to write an opinion that's going 281 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 8: to be a KA tire case. 282 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, it gues I mean it, obviously it was. 283 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: We were all astounded by what they charged him for. 284 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: That that that that penalty was ridiculous. 285 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 3: You know, you can't coexist with these people. 286 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: You can't. You can't build a nation with these people. 287 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: They hate us. 288 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: And they have there's there's there's nothing that keeps them honest. 289 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: There's no truthfulness about them. There's no Well, I don't 290 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: like my opponent, but the law says she is the 291 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: top law enforcement official in the state of New York. 292 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: It took a federal grand jury to indict her because 293 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 3: in that state they won't. So people are fleeing New York. 294 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 3: That that's the reason when Donnie's winning is the very 295 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: people who would vote against him have all left already. 296 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: You know when to come back to this, but first 297 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: I'm little to the show on this Ramon's giving me grief. 298 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: Courtesy of executive producer Chattaconi Knakanishi. 299 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: Your we can review. 300 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: I don't like putting anything in between two pieces of 301 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: bread that is not a regular meat, like a sandwich. 302 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: My wife eats cucumber sandwiches with him and cheese, and 303 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm not for that, and she says, well, you say that, 304 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 3: but I put butter on. I don't want a tomade 305 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 3: a sandwich. I don't want marshmallow, and no. 306 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: I don't do that. 307 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: Another Texas Republican is challenging incumbent Senator John Corny and 308 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: Wesley Hunt, announcing his campaign for Senate will. 309 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 12: Be the biggest race in the state next year. 310 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 7: John Cornon already on the attack going after Hunt. 311 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: They think Texans are stupid, and if I have anything 312 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: to do with it, I'm going to make sure every 313 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: Texan understands that John Cornan worked very hard and very 314 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: publicly to keep Donald Trump from running for president. 315 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 8: A man excuse of robbing a nine year old at 316 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 8: gunpoint plus Houston apartment complex HBD. 317 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 13: Says this was all over some bags of groceries. 318 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: You'll say, twenty year old Joelle alfred Rees approached and 319 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 4: stole the bags of groceries at gunpoint. 320 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: You can't fix that. That is a broken human being. 321 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: There is nothing that guy will ever offer this society, 322 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: that level of crime, that type of person has to 323 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: be taken out of general population and thrown into a game. 324 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: Former New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez is facing misdemeanor 325 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: charges after an alleged drunken fight with a truck driver. 326 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 13: Or Documents say the man who was working with one 327 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 13: of the hotels was defending himself after Santez threw him 328 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 13: to the ground. 329 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 11: He's at a bar, it's midnight, and he's from what 330 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 11: the reports are saying, he's doing wind sprints in the alley. 331 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: Okay, what our own. 332 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: Darryl coons that the man was out of title wrote 333 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 3: to the group, if I'm ever Mark Sanchez drunk, I'm 334 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: not going to be doing wind sprints and beating up 335 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: an old man. 336 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to be crushing a double meat cheeseburg. 337 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: I love covers outside the original genre. 338 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 7: Stuck on you. 339 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: To see the down beating the soul that just came 340 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: Time My Way. 341 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: And the whelm in the south to the end you Time. 342 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 14: My Way. 343 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 9: Day. 344 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf 345 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: of Mexico to the Gulf of Michael Barrys, which has 346 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 3: a beautifully it's not law enforcement official and said in 347 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: New York has been indicted by a grand jury today. 348 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: This is very troubling. So how does CNN report on 349 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: this exactly how you'd expect Casey Hunt say, it's no 350 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: big deal because everybody does it. 351 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: Everybody does it. No, everyone doesn't do it. That's just it. 352 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: The rest of us are living like shlubs out here. 353 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: We're the only ones following the law. We're the only 354 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: ones paying our taxes. We're the only one being honest 355 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: on a mortgage application. We're working for less. They're taking 356 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: more from us. They're trying to kill our industries. They're 357 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: trying to keep us masked and locked in. We're living 358 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 3: like serfs so that they can live like kings. 359 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 13: Just listen to this, James, and again we're still getting 360 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 13: the details. But if it's related to this mortgage issue, 361 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 13: I mean, this is something that everyone in America, or 362 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 13: many people at least, if you're lucky enough to be 363 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 13: able to buy a house in America. 364 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 7: You're deal with this. 365 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 13: Right the federal government doesn't go after all of these people. 366 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 13: I'm for doing this. 367 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: Jake Temper is part of a three member criminal defense team. 368 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: Apparently for big tish because they say that, you know, 369 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: you're gonna have trouble proving intent. It's true for crimes 370 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: like this, you have to prove intent. You have to 371 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: prove awareness of what you're doing is wrong, or that 372 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: a reasonable person would be aware, and that you intended 373 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: to break the law. Well, just the facts already in 374 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 3: evidence prove that she changes documents. Ah, I think you're 375 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: gonna have trouble proving that she had the intent to 376 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: commit a crime. 377 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: You mean when she. 378 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: Wrote down that her dad was her husband, You think 379 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 3: we're gonna have trouble proving that she was intending to 380 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: defraud anyone. You think when she claimed that she lived 381 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: moved primarily in Virginia, and we're going to have trouble 382 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: proving that. You think when she had the inspector changed 383 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: the number of units in the complex she bought that 384 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: she wasn't sure because she got more favorable raids. And 385 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: you don't even know what else is going to come out. 386 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: You don't know what kind of text messages, what kind 387 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 3: of things she ordered people to do. You know, imperious 388 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: women like this have a tendency to yell at people. 389 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: We saw that with Katie Porter, who's running for governor 390 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 3: in California, where she screamed at one of her staffers 391 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 3: to get out of the get out of the shot. 392 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: She was in frame in the shot. 393 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: You just wait till we find out with big tish 394 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: some of the things, because there are going to be 395 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: people who she has dressed down in the Sheila Jackson, 396 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: the Chila Jackson, Lee, Hillary Clinton sort of way. 397 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: Women like this tend to be very angry and very. 398 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: Volatile, and it's going to be fun for the peopleeople 399 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 3: who have been have been abused by her to step 400 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 3: forward now that there's blood in the water. But here's 401 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 3: Jake Tapper and his three man team leading her criminal defense. 402 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 15: They have to prove that it's done knowingly and so 403 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 15: for so if. 404 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 11: It's a mistake, that's actually relevant criminally. It has to 405 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 11: be if it is a mistake and the person says, 406 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 11: look it's obviously a mistake. Here's evidence it's a mistake. 407 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 11: Then you can't prove intent, and that's important. 408 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 15: They've acknowledged Letitia Jameson's there was an error on a 409 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 15: power of attorney form. They would try to argue that 410 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 15: that was no intent of wrongdoing. If she was presenting throughout, 411 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 15: and the bank itself did not feel it was defrauded 412 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 15: because they had the correct information to cite one false document. 413 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 16: Well, Jake, the key question, assuming this is in fact 414 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 16: a mortgage fraud case, is whether Letitia James intentionally and 415 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 16: specifically made a false representation. So, as Kara said, now 416 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 16: they're going to have to prove their case to a 417 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 16: jury eventually beyond a reasonable doubt. And if this is 418 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 16: a mistake or something that was done inadvertently, that's not 419 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 16: going to be enough to support a criminal charge against 420 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 16: Letitia James. 421 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: Well, they sure are determined that Letitia not be prosecuted 422 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: for the crimes she committed, aren't they. It's almost as 423 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: if they don't think the law should apply to democrats. 424 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: I wonder what the same Jake Tapper and Laura Coates 425 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: had to say about Trump's mortgage fraud case. 426 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 11: Trum did acknowledge that there could have been a mistake 427 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 11: on his financial statement when it came to the value 428 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 11: of his Trump Tower apartment, but he said that's why 429 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 11: his statements included disclaimer clauses. Quote, there's a disclaimer clause 430 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 11: where you don't have to get sued by the Attorney 431 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 11: General of New York, Is that in any way a 432 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 11: legitimate defense. 433 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 12: No, and the judge already found it wasn't they said. 434 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 12: Judge said, listen, you just can't offer miscalculating or wrong 435 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 12: and misleading and fraud information. Then say, wait, just kidding, 436 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 12: do your own due diligence here. You have to be 437 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 12: able to rely on what's actually being said. 438 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 7: Resolve that issue. 439 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 10: Now. 440 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 12: What he's trying to do, though, is suggest And you 441 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 12: can't have both worlds, Jake. You can't, on the one hand, 442 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 12: say he's in control of everything. The other hands say, 443 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 12: look everyone else told me this and I handed it 444 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 12: over and delegated. 445 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 7: Both can't be true on a fraud trial. 446 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: MSNBC's Nicole Wallace interrupted former Assistant US Attorney Andrew Weissman 447 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: to announce that Leticia James had been indicted for mortgage fraud. 448 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: And uh, well, I'll let you enjoy this. 449 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 14: To be and I'm sorry to interrupt you, Leian, New 450 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 14: York Attorney General Letitia James has been indicted. Andrew Weissman, 451 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 14: your reaction, I think that. 452 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 6: When I sort of address the people who might look 453 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 6: at this and say this is sort of tick for 454 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 6: tat that. You see that in the Democratic administration, you 455 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 6: see them going after Republicans, and this is Republicans going 456 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 6: after Democrats. This is where even if two wrongs don't 457 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 6: make it right, even if that were true, but this 458 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 6: is where facts matter. In the Letitia James case that 459 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 6: she brought in New York, there was a trial, facts 460 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 6: were induced. 461 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: We all could look at those facts. 462 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 6: And Donald Trump had had a chance, an opportunity to 463 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 6: do process and to. 464 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: Hear all of that. 465 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 6: Here the process by which this has been undertaken, like 466 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 6: the process that was undertaken with a victor James Comy 467 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 6: tells you that career people and even Trump appointed people 468 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 6: did not think that. 469 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: There was evidence there. 470 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 7: They were not. 471 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: Facts that justified this. 472 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 6: And I think a perfect, a perfect symbol of the 473 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 6: fact that this is different, that what we're seeing is different, 474 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 6: is not normal. It is not everyone does it is 475 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 6: to take a look at Abby Lowell. Abbi Lowell is 476 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 6: the defense lawyer for Letitia James. He was also the 477 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 6: defense lawyer for Hunter Biden in the Biden administration. The 478 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 6: Department of Justice actually charged and convicted the sitting president's son, 479 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 6: and Abby Lowell represented him and defended him and lost 480 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 6: that trial, and he is now defending James. And to me, 481 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 6: when people say it's tit for tat, it's like no. 482 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 6: In the prior administrations and by the way, Republican and Democratic. 483 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: Administrations everyone on their side, which I agree, he has 484 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: to have a slight list. 485 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 7: Administry like John Water or something. Why is it that 486 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 7: they all have it's very tech pertat. 487 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: But these very manly men are doing very manly man things. 488 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: And while I find it very sexy, I wish they 489 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't know it. It's not very nice. These are very 490 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: trying times. It's just really challenged because it really does