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Speaker 2: What are we doing today?
Speaker 1: So I took a bunch of questions from social media
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks, past present, future of any team, any situation,
Speaker 1: what have you. We got a number of excellent questions.
Speaker 1: We're going to go through them. It spans all sorts
Speaker 1: of college football areas and I don't is there news
Speaker 1: you want to get into? Tie? Is there something that's
Speaker 1: I mean, we have some trend like Will Levis is
Speaker 1: leaving Penn State. I don't know if you have thoughts
Speaker 1: on that. Well, you can dovetail into the Penn State
Speaker 1: quarterback room with that, I think if we want.
Speaker 2: I think we could transition into the first question, which
Speaker 2: had to do with Sewan Clifford and Penn State and
Speaker 2: the like, well, what kinds of questions did you tee up?
Speaker 1: I mean Teddy brew returning to the University of Arizona
Speaker 1: as a senior advisor. Chipper Jones is going to help
Speaker 1: some braves hit. There's no news you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: It feels like kind of a slow news day, to
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 1: Okay, Eric Hilbert's going to Florida, which is pretty enormous
Speaker 1: and obviously Dan Maull Eric, right, Eric, Eric, Eric, like
Speaker 1: you're from You're from West Aaron, That's right, Eric, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we have do you want to play? Do we
Speaker 1: have a sound for questions? You've got mail that kind
Speaker 1: of thing.
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Speaker 2: necessary sounds anymore. But yees, so we solicited messages. It's
Speaker 2: not all email. It's a lot of social media. But
Speaker 2: you went out there earlier today and you try to
Speaker 2: tee up a very specific line of questioning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of the things. By the way,
Speaker 1: our verballa is on Patreon mentioned love to have more
Speaker 1: specific Q and as, so I went with quarterback room basically.
Speaker 1: And we have a number of questions about a number
Speaker 1: of schools across different conferences. I guess let's start with
Speaker 1: Penn State because I mentioned it. I also enjoyed that
Speaker 1: Will Levis had kind of an off season, Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: hitting a three pointer mixtape that was released on social media. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago of him completing passes against
Speaker 1: air nothing against will evis who does Penn State roll
Speaker 1: with Sean Clifford grad transfer somebody else? That's from Josh
Speaker 1: and then Ian also mentioned does it look like the
Speaker 1: whole plane will be made of Clifford? Is this bad?
Speaker 1: Let's start with Penn State quarterbacking to really to really
Speaker 1: sex up this college football talk in February.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm content with anyone but Clifford. Okay, ABC, anyone
Speaker 2: but Clifford? Is I think the answer for me? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you went back. I know you said you watched some
Speaker 2: of Clifford and your comment to me, I'm looking for
Speaker 2: it here. He ain't it is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to let's avoid being mean as best
Speaker 1: we can in some of these cases. Sean Clifford looks
Speaker 1: like he just is not a high level quarterback. I
Speaker 1: hope he has a bounce back year. And you know,
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season, it's a very different experience for
Speaker 1: all of these guys playing and between the opt outs,
Speaker 1: between the different living situations and not seeing family, like
Speaker 1: you can understand how somebody could have a dip of
Speaker 1: a year and bounce back in a more normal season.
Speaker 1: Should we have that in our future? So I'm well,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody like Graham Mertz. So some of you
Speaker 1: know Jensen had a question about Graham Mertz, will be
Speaker 1: like early season or late season Mertz. He got sick
Speaker 1: in the middle of the year. He missed time, and
Speaker 1: so there's an element to like, we don't fully know
Speaker 1: hopefully who Grahamertz is quite yet, And I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sean Clifford led a team to a bunch of wins
Speaker 1: two years ago. They got to a New Year six game, right,
Speaker 1: so we know that there is a version of Sean
Speaker 1: Clifford that can be pretty good if everything is operating
Speaker 1: around him. That was a more talented team on offense,
Speaker 1: a more proven team on offense. I don't feel good
Speaker 1: about where Penn State is right now. I suppose you
Speaker 1: roll with Clifford. There's a new offensive coordinator, So depending
Speaker 1: on how confident you are in Mike your six ability.
Speaker 1: But again it's starting over once again. It's starting over
Speaker 1: once again on offense. And you know, they had the
Speaker 1: depth issues at running back and receiver. They had issues
Speaker 1: and you know Johan Dotson and they had a freshman
Speaker 1: step up. Now his name escapes me. Washington, Parker Washington.
Speaker 1: Did I make that name up? Okay? And I don't
Speaker 1: have their line depth in front of me right now,
Speaker 1: but it just seems there is a definitive right now
Speaker 1: with what he looks like seven to eight wins, ceiling
Speaker 1: with Sean Welford.
Speaker 2: So look here, here's the thing we talked about. Clifford
Speaker 2: when he played twelve games in twenty nineteen, came in
Speaker 2: with a fair amount of acclaim, and I felt went
Speaker 2: the root of just never getting better. Had a fine year,
Speaker 2: completed almost sixty percent of his passes in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Did not feel to me like he got better, pretty good,
Speaker 2: pretty good? He was fine. Yeah, this year if we
Speaker 2: look at what he did in nine games again, completed
Speaker 2: about sixty percent of his passes, sixteen touchdowns, nine interceptions.
Speaker 2: The thing in particular that I was looking at going
Speaker 2: into this year was are we going to see any
Speaker 2: kind of improvement? It was a new offensive coordinator, like
Speaker 2: you said, circum.
Speaker 1: What's his name? What's his name? And do we have
Speaker 1: a sound?
Speaker 2: Kirk Sharrock. I think we retired this sound now, No
Speaker 2: Rock good. That sound may have been a curse, possibly,
Speaker 2: but you know, I understand there are circumstances, but I
Speaker 2: also understand that Clifford again did not look like he
Speaker 2: got much better, So I worry about that. I think
Speaker 2: that the offense as a whole will be pretty fine.
Speaker 2: Johan Dotson coming back a big deal. Hopefully Noah Caine's healthy.
Speaker 2: He'll be your number one running back again. The line,
Speaker 2: they're moving some guys around, but it should be okay.
Speaker 2: I feel okay about the offense, but I don't feel
Speaker 2: great about the quarterback position. So personally, I'm willing to
Speaker 2: roll the dice with Takwan Robertson. Personally, I'm willing to
Speaker 2: roll the dice with Takwan Roberson or Christian Veoh.
Speaker 1: Roberson's a smaller guy though, right he's like five to
Speaker 1: ten small is yeah, five ten, five eleven, Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean that's its own list of challenges, but you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen guys thrive at that height.
Speaker 2: Or Christian Voe my new favorite name, the true freshman
Speaker 2: who committed early and is already on campus.
Speaker 1: So I guess we can go through a lot of
Speaker 1: these quarterback situations. Be it a quarterback battle that's going
Speaker 1: to play out over spring and fall, camp and perhaps
Speaker 1: into the season at a lot of these places, and
Speaker 1: talk about guys that we've already seen play. Is there
Speaker 1: room to grow or have they just have they hit
Speaker 1: that ceiling? Yeah, Clifford, I hear from you. He's hit
Speaker 1: the seal, Sean Clifford. We've seen the best of Sean Clifford,
Speaker 1: whereas somebody he was actually at least statistically identical two
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Kyle Trask did not hit his ceiling
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. No, and so he made that move
Speaker 1: in Shan Clifford didn't. I hope Sean Clifford has a
Speaker 1: bounce back here because you've mentioned guys that would be
Speaker 1: very fun to have a really good quarterback throwing to them.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we've if you are counting on Penn State
Speaker 1: bouncing back to New Year's six ish, and Sean Clifford
Speaker 1: is starting all year, I have my concerns.
Speaker 2: All right, what's the next one up here? Do I
Speaker 2: see a JT. Shrout? Question?
Speaker 1: You do see a JT shout? I actually kind of
Speaker 1: like JT shut.
Speaker 2: That's a deep cut going JT. Shrout. He comes over
Speaker 2: from Tennessee.
Speaker 1: These questions are no particular order. By the way, you
Speaker 1: can you can ask whatever you want.
Speaker 2: This question from Nate. Now, let's talk. Tennessee is noteworthy.
Speaker 2: They're in the news. JT. Shroud transferring from Tennessee over
Speaker 2: to Colorado. He's red shirt sophomore. He played in eight
Speaker 2: total games during his time to Tennessee.
Speaker 1: He came in relief against Florida and actually looked pretty
Speaker 1: good in the second half. He relieved Harrison Bailey.
Speaker 2: Got a really strong arm. He's from the West Coast.
Speaker 2: He's from California, so it's a little bit closer to
Speaker 2: home going over to Boulder. I guess I like it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you have any strong opinions on this.
Speaker 1: The quarterback last year, I believe was a converted safety.
Speaker 1: That quarterback room is just thin, and so they ran
Speaker 1: the ball really well last year with Jarrick Broussard. I
Speaker 1: think there are steps to be taken, for sure in Colorado.
Speaker 1: I think he's fine. I think he's totally fine. I
Speaker 1: think they need bodies, they need an arm, they need
Speaker 1: something lively, and I'm excited to see what he can
Speaker 1: do if he is fully empowered as the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2: Jensen wants to know who is the real Graham Mertz. Well,
Speaker 2: the real Graham Mertz, please stand up. Will he be
Speaker 2: like early season or late season Mertz in twenty twenty one? That,
Speaker 2: my friend, is a hell of a question.
Speaker 1: So the good news for Graham Mertz is if we're
Speaker 1: going to kind of throw away his post COVID stretch,
Speaker 1: which was pretty bad, if we're gonna throw that away,
Speaker 1: and he's going to have a full year and presumably
Speaker 1: spring and summer workouts and fall camp and just getting
Speaker 1: used to the offense and getting used to being the
Speaker 1: guy because if you remember what King Cone got hurt,
Speaker 1: and that's what thrust Graham Mertz into the starting position.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: So the concern I have about Graham Mertz realizing his
Speaker 1: potential is, well, one, he's gonna he should be behind
Speaker 1: a very good line, and I mean, these are the
Speaker 1: positives that jalen Berger looks like he's going to be
Speaker 1: the guy at running back. Julius Davis also promising, but
Speaker 1: jaalen Berger was the clear best running back in that room,
Speaker 1: not Jonathan Taylor tailback. But that's encouraging for a team
Speaker 1: that does rely on play action to complete a ton.
Speaker 1: I just don't see an obvious dude pass catcher for Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: They haven't gone out and found studs at receiver every year.
Speaker 1: You look at their room right now, there's guys, but
Speaker 1: they didn't seem to be in huge demand. The passing
Speaker 1: game was pretty woeful last year in terms of separation
Speaker 1: from where it was with Quintes Cephis the year before.
Speaker 1: And they've had guys. But I just I don't know
Speaker 1: that Grammertz can even I don't know if we can
Speaker 1: see his ceiling. I think there's fog in Madison because
Speaker 1: I don't know where winter wonders whatever. I don't know
Speaker 1: where like an all big ten receiver is anywhere near
Speaker 1: this roster. It's just so hard to gauge. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we can really get a good feel for
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: Again. You'll recall October twenty third. I want to say
Speaker 2: Wisconsin against Illinois, first game of the year, twenty of
Speaker 2: twenty one to five touchdowns, two forty eight against Illinois.
Speaker 2: It was against Illinois, but that's a hell of an opening.
Speaker 2: Stanza next week against Michigan on the road, twelve of
Speaker 2: twenty two, two touchdowns, no picks.
Speaker 1: He didn't do much though he didn't really go down
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty seven yards. That was Michigan's offense
Speaker 1: growing up a ton and was hundred's defense taking advantage
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty seven yards. He threw a touchdown
Speaker 1: the next week, but three interceptions against was Northwestern, excuse
Speaker 1: me now, and then he went three straight games without
Speaker 1: throwing a touchdown. Pass closed out the year that way.
Speaker 2: Threw one in the bowl game, but it was a
Speaker 2: very like uneven, almost depreciating stat line for him as
Speaker 2: he went from week to weeks. So I still think
Speaker 2: that he's a really good quarterback. He seems like he
Speaker 2: has the He seems as if he's got the skill set,
Speaker 2: and I hate to use a cliche term, he does
Speaker 2: seem as if he can make all the throws. But
Speaker 2: there is a question out wide that I think you
Speaker 2: rightfully bring up. The running game wasn't up to stuff
Speaker 2: this year. Either. No, you know, maybe they found their guy.
Speaker 2: But the Wisconsin offense, as we've come to know and
Speaker 2: love it really does depend on having that strong running
Speaker 2: game that it can lean upon and then play off
Speaker 2: that in the passing game. So I think it's incomplete
Speaker 2: at this point. We got to wait and see what
Speaker 2: we get from Graham Mertz. Hopefully he gets a full
Speaker 2: cycle where he can work on his game and improve.
Speaker 1: Forty one pass attempts, seven points against Northwest. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: here in a very raucous Evanston area. But yeah, if
Speaker 1: he threw the ball more than twenty two times small
Speaker 1: sample size in a game this year, Wisconsin lost. And
Speaker 1: that's just more of a statement about where Wisconsin's offense
Speaker 1: is or isn't right now. So I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful
Speaker 1: that his ceiling is higher. I think there's more reasonably
Speaker 1: even Grammertz right now. The problem is again what his
Speaker 1: surrounding offense looks like. Because there have been Wisconsin quarterbacks
Speaker 1: these past few years who have had it good in
Speaker 1: terms of always having a tight end or two, always
Speaker 1: having a clear number one option at receiver or two
Speaker 1: very good options. Right now, it looks like there's a
Speaker 1: bit of a drought there.
Speaker 2: Eric wants to know about USC. This is a good question. Yeah,
Speaker 2: USC's last two long term starting quarterbacks are either a
Speaker 2: first round pick and Sam Darnold or projected to be
Speaker 2: Keaton Slovis. However, both required injured players ahead of them
Speaker 2: to see the field Slovis needed two injuries. Why do
Speaker 2: coaches fail to see the best quarterback in practice so often?
Speaker 2: Is a loaded question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot here, but yeah, do you have
Speaker 1: any thoughts about this?
Speaker 2: It's not always apparent. Sometimes it takes a circumstance to
Speaker 2: figure out who your best quarterback is. You don't always know.
Speaker 2: I was talking earlier. I did the Shamrock with our
Speaker 2: friends Pete Sampson and Matt Fortuna in The Athletic their
Speaker 2: podcast Go and Check it Out, tweeted it out. I
Speaker 2: think you did already. We talked a little bit about
Speaker 2: ian Book. When ian Book came in for Brandon Wimbush,
Speaker 2: it was sort of like, really, we're going to go
Speaker 2: to Ian Book and not Brandon Wimbush. Wimbush came in
Speaker 2: with much acclaim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, much bigger arm.
Speaker 2: On paper, even in practice. I think look the part,
Speaker 2: very much looked the part. Something about the game though,
Speaker 2: for Brandon Wimbush did not compute, and Ian Book came
Speaker 2: in against I think wake Forest and instantly took command
Speaker 2: of the offense. From a skill standpoint, Brandon Wimbush was
Speaker 2: way more athletic. I had much more in the way
Speaker 2: of physical tools to work. But for whatever reason, Ian
Speaker 2: Book took command. Say what you want about him. Look,
Speaker 2: there's nobody been more skeptical of Book than me. But
Speaker 2: the numbers are there. He won a lot of games
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame. No one will say anything that will
Speaker 2: ever take that away. So it's just a very complex problem.
Speaker 2: First and foremost, how does a guy react there when
Speaker 2: he's out in the heat of battle? Does he perform
Speaker 2: the same way he does in practice?
Speaker 1: Right, It's a mental thing, for sure.
Speaker 2: There's a mental component also, especially at a school like
Speaker 2: a USC. Again, say what you want about USC, but
Speaker 2: recruiting quarterbacks to come in there and be in the
Speaker 2: quarterback room is never really a hard thing to do.
Speaker 2: They always have a lot of talent to pick from.
Speaker 2: And so I think it's a combination of the mental side.
Speaker 2: It's certainly a combination of the scheme. It's a combination
Speaker 2: of staying healthy, which Eric brings up here in the
Speaker 2: in the in the question. But you know, take JT.
Speaker 2: Daniels for example. JT. Daniels I thought looked really good
Speaker 2: in his very short time at USC. He gets hurt.
Speaker 2: Keaton Slovis jumps in Now JT. Daniels still very good
Speaker 2: just across the country for Georgia. So it's not all
Speaker 2: on the coach. So in this specific situation, I have
Speaker 2: heard firsthand from the coaching staff, from people on that
Speaker 2: field that USC did not want to start Sam Darnold
Speaker 2: in that first game as a red shirt freshman because
Speaker 2: it would have been against Alabama, and throwing somebody into
Speaker 2: that kind of arena, a Javier arena, if you will,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, I regret it already like that, throwing
Speaker 2: somebody in their very first game as a young player
Speaker 2: can do a lot of damage if it goes poorly
Speaker 2: in terms of confidence, in terms of emotion, whatever. Max
Speaker 2: Brown had been in that program for a long time
Speaker 2: as an upperclassman, had a command of the offense, and
Speaker 2: was beaten out as I believe a true freshman by
Speaker 2: Cody Kessler if I'm not mixing up my US quarterback timelines.
Speaker 2: And so it was sort of seen as we think
Speaker 2: he's pretty good. He might not have the physical ceiling
Speaker 2: of Sam Donald, he might not have the arm of
Speaker 2: Sam Donald, who was I think wowing people in practice
Speaker 2: the year before, but certainly raw Like, let's see what
Speaker 2: we have in Max Brown? When the bullets are firing,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't great. It just wasn't great.
Speaker 1: And so I imagine that it was USC coaches informed imagination,
Speaker 1: knowing that Sam Donald had a higher ceiling, knowing Sam
Speaker 1: Donald was just much more of a playmaker, improviser, you know,
Speaker 1: wouldn't shrink away from the moment, but they didn't want
Speaker 1: to do him that harm, knowing that it wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be all that pretty against Alabama. Probably, so that's
Speaker 1: why that happened. I don't think the USC coaches were
Speaker 1: blind to the fact that Sam Donald was a better
Speaker 1: quarterback than Max Brown. They're pretty good at what they do,
Speaker 1: maybe not the best in college football, they're pretty good.
Speaker 1: I think with Keaton Slovas, JT. Daniels was the arm talent.
Speaker 1: He was just an injury thing, and they were I
Speaker 1: think it was clear to anybody who was in that
Speaker 1: practice that JD. Daniels was far closer to being a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback as a true freshman than Keaton Slovas showed
Speaker 1: himself to be, even though he was impressive early on
Speaker 1: and eventually took over. USC had a crowded room, so
Speaker 1: I think it's tough. I think it is that emotional
Speaker 1: element of what does this guy look like in a game?
Speaker 1: What does this guy look like at full speed when
Speaker 1: guys are bearing down? And both Keaton Slovas and Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold obviously passed the test. But yeah, there's definitely a
Speaker 1: difference in a comfort level and a confidence that guys
Speaker 1: either have or don't when when things get real.
Speaker 2: This question to me, I'm going to change it. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: Matt says, is there an actor who has played more
Speaker 2: quarterbacks than Keanu Reeves?
Speaker 1: Oh? This is guy. I posted a Shane Falco gift
Speaker 1: in the tweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, only two, but I can't think of another actor
Speaker 2: who has played more than one. Adam Sailor comes close,
Speaker 2: but was but only one was a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Right, you've got a question Bobby Bouche and he was
Speaker 1: the longest yard as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a note here, who's your favorite? Originally
Speaker 2: a quarterback but moved to X. Could be a Bell
Speaker 2: Dozer type, could be a Joel Lanning Chas Serrat type,
Speaker 2: could be a Braxton Miller type, could be a college
Speaker 2: quarterback to NFL other position type like Terrell Pryor, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Right, I love that question. My
Speaker 2: question was just going to be and I don't think
Speaker 2: there aren't any that I know of who have played
Speaker 2: quarterback more than once. I know Keano's done it. Do
Speaker 2: you have a favorite TV quarterback, favorite movie quarterback?
Speaker 1: Favorite TV or movie quarterback?
Speaker 2: You know? So, like we talk in, we could go
Speaker 2: Shane Falco since its topical.
Speaker 1: I mean Voodoo Tatum. I don't know the actor's name
Speaker 1: from Friday Night Lights. He was real fun. I like
Speaker 1: a grizzled older quarterback.
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: Is it Willy Beeman, Stephen Willie Beeman? Yeah, right, that's
Speaker 1: a good option. I haven't this is me on the
Speaker 1: spot because you haven't given me.
Speaker 2: I'm partial. I'm partial to Johnny Mox from Varsity Blues.
Speaker 1: And have you seen his jeans? Have you looked back
Speaker 1: and seen pictures of his jeans in that movie's jeans?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So look up mocks uh jeans in uh? Shoot, what's
Speaker 1: the name of the movie Arsity Varsity Blues? Look up
Speaker 1: mox jeans Varsity Blues. Okay, Looking, he's a very serious character.
Speaker 1: It should be the first image that comes up on
Speaker 1: Google image. He's a very serious character. He's got his
Speaker 1: arm against the wall. He's talking to a lady friend.
Speaker 1: Perhaps he's got these gigantic genes.
Speaker 2: These are like, these are like hampints. They're huge.
Speaker 1: He's he's wearing jinkos in a serious scene because you
Speaker 1: know the movie out when jeans were bag here and
Speaker 1: it's just a hilarious rewatch.
Speaker 2: Those are enormous. Dan from a denim perspective, right, good lord.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good movie. I don't have a favorite,
Speaker 1: but do you have a favorite positional switch or positional
Speaker 1: switch situation?
Speaker 2: I am partial to the quarterback to linebacker maneuver. I
Speaker 2: love that. I think that's my favorite because you know,
Speaker 2: if you if you get the right announcer, they're going
Speaker 2: to play off that and say, oh, Chas Surrat's now
Speaker 2: the quarterback of the defense, of course, which could very
Speaker 2: easily be a fantasy things selection could have been this
Speaker 2: year with respect to Chas Surrat. So I think that's
Speaker 2: probably my favorite.
Speaker 1: I personally enjoy the move to receiver just because there's
Speaker 1: always that potential for a double pass and do you
Speaker 1: get to learn do they still have it? There's always that,
Speaker 1: you know, the Antoine Randall, l Julianetta and troll. Pryor
Speaker 1: actually tried to play quarterback in the NFL, And that's
Speaker 1: a nice what if too. What would Terrell Pryor have
Speaker 1: done to big ten defensive backs at six six and
Speaker 1: an impossible red zone target? And he was a fantastic
Speaker 1: quarterback obviously for Ohio State, but what type of nightmare
Speaker 1: would he have been for Ohio State? Oh Man, that
Speaker 1: would have been amazing. So yeah, I think it is
Speaker 1: the receivers just because of the trip play potential, and
Speaker 1: you get Cardell Stewart and he's slashed. And if you
Speaker 1: get a guy who's just too talented, you get that
Speaker 1: gravitational player too.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: So that's my answer. But I understand where you're coming from,
Speaker 1: because there is an element of swallowing your pride if
Speaker 1: you are your Chas Surat Joel Lanning type, where we
Speaker 1: don't even want you on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: We think you're too aggressive. Go out and hit somebody
Speaker 1: and read offenses instead of running one. Those guys thrive.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: There's definitely some bit of cerebral overlap there going from
Speaker 2: quarterback to quarterback of the defense, if you will, But
Speaker 2: you know, they're just so different from a skill standpoint,
Speaker 2: quarterbacks don't have to tackle unless they throw a really
Speaker 2: bad interception. How do you discover this in practice, that
Speaker 2: Chaz Surrat could play quarterback but may actually be a
Speaker 2: first round NFL selection as a linebacker. It just seems
Speaker 2: really hard to discover that. Even as a receiver. Well,
Speaker 2: I imagine he probably played it in high school or something.
Speaker 2: I get this, Yeah, I get that, But how do
Speaker 2: you test that? How do you test that if quarterback
Speaker 2: depth is a thing, right, I don't know. It just
Speaker 2: seems like there are two incompatible skill sets that would
Speaker 2: be very tough to discern. Meanwhile, if you're a receiver,
Speaker 2: you know you run the trick plays obviously, if you're
Speaker 2: a guy like a Trell Prior, let's say it didn't
Speaker 2: exactly happened for him that conversion in college, but like
Speaker 2: he could go out and he could run roots and
Speaker 2: he can catch balls in practice.
Speaker 1: I think we should drug Bud Elliott and Brandon Huffman
Speaker 1: and all sorts of recruiting people. And here the all
Speaker 1: time chose to play the wrong position in college team
Speaker 1: and ended up screwing them, or maybe not screwing them,
Speaker 1: as they went on to the NFL because I remember
Speaker 1: to this day, Brandon Huffman will tell med Anthony Thomas
Speaker 1: should have been a corner and he cost himself a
Speaker 1: ton of money playing you know, slotback or whatever he
Speaker 1: did for Oregon. We got a couple of questions about
Speaker 1: Northwestern and Ryan Helensky. Okay, what does your take on
Speaker 1: Northwestern's quarterback situation with Ramsey out, Peyton Ramsey out and
Speaker 1: new transfer Ryan Halinsky from South Carolina originally from the
Speaker 1: West Coast coming in. Is Helensky the walk in starter
Speaker 1: even after leaving South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Man, I was all in on the Hunter Johnson move
Speaker 2: to Northwestern. Yeah, and that did not work at all.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing to me, I don't think you
Speaker 1: go to Northwestern to revive your career as a future
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback or All American caliber quarterback. I think you
Speaker 1: transferred to Northwestern because it seems stable. You're gonna win games,
Speaker 1: you get a good education, You're in a big city
Speaker 1: if that's something you're into, or near a big city,
Speaker 1: and there's an element to Northwestern football that's just consistent,
Speaker 1: and if you're in a place that is pretty volatile,
Speaker 1: like I think we can assume South Carolina has been
Speaker 1: these past couple of years. Maybe that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a good defense, most likely on the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball. It's just hard to see.
Speaker 1: I mean, Northwestern' is another situation like Wisconsin, possibly even lower.
Speaker 1: They lose their top four pass catchers. I believe our seniors.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there any of them are coming back.
Speaker 1: But this was not an amazing offense. It was an
Speaker 1: improved offense this year with Peyton Rams. I think they
Speaker 1: went from like one hundred and twenty ninth to seventy
Speaker 1: fifth in points per drive. But I don't think it matters.
Speaker 1: I think he's fine. I think he's okay. He wasn't
Speaker 1: the answer in the SEC and you know, had moments,
Speaker 1: made plays, but all in all, he was not somebody
Speaker 1: who looked like he improved over the course of his year.
Speaker 1: Started thrust into a starting role when Jake Bentley got hurt.
Speaker 1: So I am I'm hoping for the best. I expect
Speaker 1: at best an average Northwestern offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's where we're at with this.
Speaker 1: With this we got it, by the way, we still
Speaker 1: are getting is so and so the next Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: or Colvin wants to know, does Joe Burrow give enough
Speaker 1: credibility to LSU to shed its bad quarterback developer baggage
Speaker 1: got we got a Jack Cone next Joe Burrow, which no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no no, walk me through, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, let me go back here to this Ryan first,
Speaker 2: go to Ryan Helensky. I don't think it matters either.
Speaker 2: I don't think it matters either. I feel like.
Speaker 1: He's awful.
Speaker 2: It matters if he's awful. And Peyton Ramsey was fine,
Speaker 2: he was fine, he was fine my plays. But I
Speaker 2: just I'm so over the quarterback situation at Northwestern. I
Speaker 2: feel like it always lets me down. Unless you've got
Speaker 2: somebody who can scramble around and make plays. It's just
Speaker 2: not an offense. It's going to be that high flying.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how much it matters to have
Speaker 2: a quarterback. You don't want someone who's gonna shoot you
Speaker 2: in the foot, but outside of that, as long as
Speaker 2: you have that guy, I'm just like, I think I'm
Speaker 2: personally over it. I'm very disappointed because I thought the
Speaker 2: Hunter Johnson thing was going to be better than it
Speaker 2: ended up being. And like in his case, he wasn't
Speaker 2: going to play at Clemson. He went to Northwestern and
Speaker 2: they had an opening. He was closer to home, and
Speaker 2: it bombed horribly. I don't know how much of that
Speaker 2: is his fault versus how much of that as the
Speaker 2: coaches or the system, what have you. But I just
Speaker 2: I'm kind of over it. So I hope it works
Speaker 2: for Ryan Helenski, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Speaker 1: What I'm hearing from you subtext between the lines overs
Speaker 1: Dan Persas just don't grow on trees.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: They grow at Liberty High School in Bethlehem, PA.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm hearing. So I'm playing person. Oh did
Speaker 1: you I did?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: They just dominate.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. Yeah, I have breaking news TI Okay.
Speaker 1: You want to play the sound or just want to.
Speaker 2: I'm still not going to yell, but my voice is
Speaker 2: back to a two percent now. Oh I like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, boo boo boo boo boo boo boop. We have
Speaker 1: a question from is Street ay y st I state
Speaker 1: I Street whatever? Who is Washington's next Jake? And the
Speaker 1: breaking news is in neither the Class of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one nor twenty twenty two. Is there a
Speaker 1: Jake or Jacob in the top hundred quarterbacks? WHOA the
Speaker 1: Jake Lake has been drained a man after Jake Locker,
Speaker 1: Jacob Eas and Jake Browning other Jakes who didn't play.
Speaker 1: It looks like I mean Sam Hewartt is the quarterback
Speaker 1: of the future, son of Damon. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you want to feel old, the new prize quarterback at Washington,
Speaker 1: there's not going to be a new Jake or Jacob
Speaker 1: for some time.
Speaker 2: Is there a Jake somewhere else in the roster who
Speaker 2: could do the awkward position change two quarterback? Oh?
Speaker 1: Good question. I'll load it up right now.
Speaker 2: I want them so full roster. We need to Janeer.
Speaker 1: Transferred to Fresno State where he was. Okay, I'm on
Speaker 1: the our lads, Our lads page. There's no there's no
Speaker 1: Jacob after Jacob Eason left. Is there another Jake at
Speaker 1: least in the too deep there is not WHOA Dylan
Speaker 1: Moore yes as the starter right now? So if you
Speaker 1: had to for this next I think Washington's in a
Speaker 1: note like I think Dylan Morris is Okay, we'll see
Speaker 1: on sam Hewart. He's built pretty similar to Jake Browning.
Speaker 1: But if you were to look at previous Jakes that
Speaker 1: played for Washington, so that's Eason, Hayn, Browning. Locker really
Speaker 1: have been a lot. I think Jacob Sermon just left.
Speaker 1: He was one of the possible quarterbacks of the future.
Speaker 1: Crazy if you were to split the difference between Locker, Browning, Eason,
Speaker 1: Hayne or whatever, what does the next Jake bring to
Speaker 1: the table. So, Jacob Eason, this is such a weird question.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Jacob Eason. Tall, with a big arm, not
Speaker 1: super accurate, not a big winner. Jake Browning accurate, won
Speaker 1: a good deal, but physically, you know, he got hurt
Speaker 1: a lot and shrunk away, didn't really keep progressing after
Speaker 1: a really impressive early part of his career. Jake Locker
Speaker 1: really physically impressive, really athletic. Are we playing a game
Speaker 1: of Make a Jake?
Speaker 2: Is that what we're doing here?
Speaker 1: We're playing makea Jake? Okay, So what is the next
Speaker 1: very specific quarterback identity of the next Jake?
Speaker 2: So I think it has he he'd have to be
Speaker 2: a crazy scrambler, wouldn't he.
Speaker 1: Well, that's we had kind of that with Jake Locker.
Speaker 1: He was the most physically gifted in terms of arm
Speaker 1: strength and athleticism, but he was a big arm but
Speaker 1: not the mobility, right.
Speaker 2: I just think you have to go a hard swing
Speaker 2: in the mobility direction, like.
Speaker 1: So like a Khalil Tait type.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just like a pure runner back there.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, interesting, Okay, so that's that's your next Jake
Speaker 1: prototype by Makeajake.
Speaker 2: My next makead Jake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Next question, does Georgia and I want to
Speaker 1: have a sub question for this, Does Georgia have the
Speaker 1: best quarterback room in the country? This is from Colonel ag.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he's asking about Georgia, but if
Speaker 1: he's a TEXTA, A and M fan. But I digress
Speaker 1: to you, what is a quarterback room specifically because of
Speaker 1: the volume of potentially amazing players or is it situation?
Speaker 1: Because to me, a great quarterback room is like a
Speaker 1: Chris leaked Tim Tebow where you've got your grizzled veteran
Speaker 1: who you know is leaving and you've got your next
Speaker 1: guy up who's getting time and offers something different. To me,
Speaker 1: that's a great complimentary room. What does what makes a
Speaker 1: great quarterback room? And does Georgia to you have the
Speaker 1: best quarterback room in the nation with J. T. Daniels
Speaker 1: incoming brock Vanda Griff Yeah, I believe has red hair,
Speaker 1: which I always like to see throwback to the Ginga
Speaker 1: Ninja Joe Cox, and I think it's Carson Beck, another
Speaker 1: balloonship quarterback. And then the following season, following class is
Speaker 1: another five star quarterback in Gunner Stockton.
Speaker 2: Great name, what a name? What a name is?
Speaker 1: Stets Is that the most impressive room to you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steady Bennett's still there as well.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting to me because you know, so we
Speaker 2: remember where the saul started. Stets And Bennett's quarterback Stetson.
Speaker 2: Bennett acquitted himself well early diminishing returns. Eventually they turned
Speaker 2: it over to JT. Daniels. He kind of unlocks a
Speaker 2: different dimension of that Georgia offense. And now we're all
Speaker 2: in agreement that he's clearly the better of the two,
Speaker 2: probably the best of that quarterback room.
Speaker 1: Sure, but they thought they were gonna have Jamie Newman, and.
Speaker 2: They thought they were gonna have Jamie Newman, right, But
Speaker 2: stets And Bennett has experienced now and so to your
Speaker 2: point of the tebow leak thing. You have a guy
Speaker 2: that you can fall back on if you need to
Speaker 2: if something lead back up. Yep, yeah, if something happens
Speaker 2: to JT. Daniels who was coming off an injury, Stetson
Speaker 2: Bennett could be the guy that you fall back on
Speaker 2: if you have to. So you've got the depth. You also,
Speaker 2: I think have some other options. You mentioned brock Fandi,
Speaker 2: Giff fand a griff excuse me, good name, good name,
Speaker 2: really good prospect, really good prospect, big kid saw that
Speaker 2: he compares out at least according to twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven to like a Jared Stidham type, a big kid,
Speaker 2: dual threat Carson Beck. I don't think quite has that
Speaker 2: high of a ceiling, but still a really notal prospect
Speaker 2: to come in there and help boost the quarterback room.
Speaker 2: So I just think I'm rambling here, but where I'm
Speaker 2: going with this is You've got a guy on the
Speaker 2: top line in JT. Daniels, so you know he can produce.
Speaker 2: You've got someone in Stetson Bennett who, worst case scenario,
Speaker 2: you know, can come in and at least be a
Speaker 2: game manager at worst. And then you've got quarterback of
Speaker 2: the future in a vander griff In, a beck In,
Speaker 2: a Gunner coming in. So you've got so many options there,
Speaker 2: you'd be hard pressed to find many that are better
Speaker 2: than this one.
Speaker 1: Are we just gonna skim over the fact that there
Speaker 1: could potentially be a room with the following first names JT.
Speaker 1: Brock Stets and Carson and Gunner. From a name standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's not bad.
Speaker 2: It's very strong.
Speaker 1: No, that's incredible. That is a very modern Southern living
Speaker 1: boy band, JT. Brock Stets and Carson and Gunner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like all five of those names are on a
Speaker 1: chalkboard of somebody who is far too public about their
Speaker 1: baby name choosing process. I like a Pinterest board, right correct,
Speaker 1: that's a Pinterest board of a quarterback room. I think
Speaker 1: right now i'd probably take in terms of proven commodities,
Speaker 1: I'd well, not proven commodities, but like the complementary nature,
Speaker 1: Like Oklahoma's room is really nice between the number one
Speaker 1: quarterback in the country this last recruiting class in Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams and Spencer Rattler. I think that's a really nice
Speaker 1: one to in terms of, you know, these guys are
Speaker 1: going to be transferring at Georgia. You know, I like
Speaker 1: where Clemson's room was this year, where we all know
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence has gone after this year, and Djung is
Speaker 1: going to get time in games, and you're not worried
Speaker 1: about him as a spot starter because he had shown
Speaker 1: enough and he's physically ready for everything, Whereas there's a
Speaker 1: lot more unease about Like we know Stetson Bennett is
Speaker 1: not going to beat a really good SEC team at
Speaker 1: Georgia with all of the weapons and all of the
Speaker 1: advantages Georgia has. He's he struggled against Alabama. He just
Speaker 1: it became a little bit too much. We know that
Speaker 1: the ceilings are pretty high for guys like Gunner, Stockton,
Speaker 1: Carson Beck, and Brock Vandergriff, but they're still a pretty
Speaker 1: great unknown. And this is where like is the backup
Speaker 1: better than the starter comes in? I remember that Chase
Speaker 1: Daniel cover on ESPN the magazine I want to say,
Speaker 1: don't even remember who his backup was that year, And
Speaker 1: there were lines in that story and Chase Daniel's sensational like, well,
Speaker 1: backup's actually even more athletic, it might even have a
Speaker 1: bigger arm. I think doesn't mean doesn't mean a thing,
Speaker 1: So it's impressive what they're doing. I think right now
Speaker 1: Ohio State with their lineup of quarterbacks, nobody's proven anything.
Speaker 1: It's Jack Miller and c J. Stroud, And people asked
Speaker 1: us about that. I think c J. Stroud might be
Speaker 1: a little bit closer to being the guy, just so
Speaker 1: he looks in the limited amount of time I've seen
Speaker 1: his tape that he might have a higher ceiling than
Speaker 1: Jack Miller. But what they're doing in Columbus is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're there are places usc as a quarterback
Speaker 1: of the future, and Keaton Slovas looks like he's going
Speaker 1: to be the guy. I don't know, there's there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of places. North Carolina's recruited well, and it
Speaker 1: looks like Sam Howe is going to be you know,
Speaker 1: in Chapel Hill for only a season or so, so
Speaker 1: I think there are options Georgia. The problem with Georgia
Speaker 1: is it's Kirby Smart that's managing them, and his track
Speaker 1: record is not amazing.
Speaker 2: All right, where we going next? Here? Where we going next?
Speaker 1: Next question? Let's let's talk about LSU a little bit.
Speaker 1: And and you know, Colvin asked, does Joe Burrow give
Speaker 1: enough cred fallacy to shed it's bad quarterback developer baggage, yes,
Speaker 1: sort of to me, and it's we are at a
Speaker 1: point where people are going to say, well, this guy
Speaker 1: transferred in and nobody thought he was going to be amazing,
Speaker 1: and then he was one of the greatest all time quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow had lightning in a bottle at LSU, and
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it reflects all that well
Speaker 1: on LSU because it was a year and I think
Speaker 1: for a school to shed quarterback baggage, you need consistency,
Speaker 1: you need year over year growth, and like, look, we
Speaker 1: developed this guy into that when you got here as
Speaker 1: a freshman. He left as a junior and he was
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick in the NFL draft, and then
Speaker 1: the next guy came, like what Clemson has done has
Speaker 1: developed quarterbacks with LSU. Right now at Origern with a
Speaker 1: dud of both hires last year, I think it's going
Speaker 1: to take some time. Still. Max Williams seems promising, but
Speaker 1: Max Johnson, Max Johnson, how to caare you the name?
Speaker 1: Max Johnson? I think it seems promising, but we also
Speaker 1: have to remember this about Joe Burrow. If we're going
Speaker 1: to compare any quarterback to Joe Burrow, which I will
Speaker 1: listen and figure it out. But Joe Burrow entered into
Speaker 1: a situation with Jamar Chase, Clyde, Edwards, Hilaire, a strong
Speaker 1: offensive line, justin Jefferson, who I think was the best
Speaker 1: rookie receiver in the NFL this year and didn't even
Speaker 1: lead at that LSU team in receiving. Terrace Marshall like,
Speaker 1: it was a crazy good situation that a lot of
Speaker 1: transfer quarterbacks are just not going to enter into. So no,
Speaker 1: I don't think LSU has reached that point, and I
Speaker 1: think there needs to be sustained development and results before
Speaker 1: we start comparing any quarterback to one of the all
Speaker 1: time greats.
Speaker 2: It was Joe Burrow that was maybe the best season
Speaker 2: a quarterbacks ever had in history, just ridiculous, maybe the
Speaker 2: best ever. And look, we can talk about Joe Brady
Speaker 2: in the impact that he had on Joe Burrow. We
Speaker 2: could talk about how ed Orgeron went out swallowed his
Speaker 2: pride and made some moves on offense that switched that
Speaker 2: offense into high gear. All of that certainly has a
Speaker 2: lot of validity. Joe Burrow, though, had the best season
Speaker 2: in the history of college football.
Speaker 1: I mean argue. I mean, you know, Cam Newton had
Speaker 1: you know, a pretty ridiculous tea chiny manseilt. Like, there
Speaker 1: have been recent guys who have been amazing, but in
Speaker 1: terms of just staggering numbers and destroying all comers in
Speaker 1: that way, it it.
Speaker 2: Was in my view, unparalleled and also and out of
Speaker 2: the blue. You know, I think of Joe Burrow's first
Speaker 2: year at LSU. There were moments, but it was not
Speaker 2: nearly as special. We as a playmaker, Yeah, we had
Speaker 2: many a conversation on this show about yeah, he makes plays,
Speaker 2: he has moments, but to see coming what we saw
Speaker 2: out of Burrow in that Heisman campaign, forget it. No
Speaker 2: one could have seen that coming. So yeah, we're not
Speaker 2: comparing anyone else to Joe Burrow. I understand that there
Speaker 2: is a desire to do that. Everyone wants the next
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, the next Baker Mayfield. But look as I
Speaker 2: as I look at this quarterback depth chart for LC
Speaker 2: they got some interesting decisions. You know, Miles Brennan is
Speaker 2: I think the the go to guy, the number one,
Speaker 2: but Max Johnson came in got some result. He was
Speaker 2: calm back there, he was mobile. You've got a guy
Speaker 2: like a TJ. Finley's a really big dude, different kind
Speaker 2: of player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 2: Garrett nuss Meyer who's on that rod. So like they've
Speaker 2: got names that are worth following. I still think it's Brennan.
Speaker 2: But now that Orgeron is on the other side of
Speaker 2: this national championship and Joe Brady's gone and Joe Burrow's
Speaker 2: not walking back through that door, I think the pressure
Speaker 2: is on again to figure out how do you get
Speaker 2: the most at that quarterback position because before Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: there was a whole lot of that.
Speaker 1: Well, there are many people who will know this better
Speaker 1: than I. I don't think Louisiana develops a lot of
Speaker 1: high level quarterbacks. And I've heard recruiting people talk about
Speaker 1: that the talent level is so high on defense that
Speaker 1: it's impossible to get good at quarterback. Growing up in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: There's so much speed and talent on the field in
Speaker 1: places like Louisiana and Florida. Now, good quarterbacks who come
Speaker 1: out of Florida and LSU just relies so much on
Speaker 1: recruiting and state because there is so much talent in state.
Speaker 1: But you see them going to Florida, going to California,
Speaker 1: going wherever, obviously to Ohio with Joe Burrow to get
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I wonder if ed Rizron isn't better served
Speaker 1: just keeping an extra scholarship open at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, the end of maybe every recruiting class whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's gonna lose players to transfer, but saving
Speaker 1: that for that annual JT. Daniels Joe Burrow that one
Speaker 1: intriguing transfer or grad transfer who has proven to be
Speaker 1: an above average, a pretty good quarterback. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a sustainable way to run a program,
Speaker 1: but obviously it has been very difficult for LSU to
Speaker 1: hit on quarterbacks consistently in state, out of state for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. And so they're one of those schools that
Speaker 1: if you can guarantee a very high floor, more often
Speaker 1: than not, you're gonna be able to surround that quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with a lot of advantages. And so that's one of
Speaker 1: those teams that should be perennially just an eye askance
Speaker 1: at the transfer portal. LJ says that Braxton Burmeister is
Speaker 1: the leading guy for Virginia Tech going into next year
Speaker 1: with Hendon Hooker leaving.
Speaker 2: Is that good or bad? Dan, you have an opinion
Speaker 2: on Braxton Burmeister, your boy.
Speaker 1: It depends on what you want Virginia Tech to be.
Speaker 1: I don't think he is a ten win answer, and
Speaker 1: if that's the expectation of Virginia Tech eventually to get
Speaker 1: to with Justin Fuente, I don't think he's that guy.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that guy. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a consistent downfield passer. I think he is a Stetson
Speaker 1: Bennett type of more athletic Stetson Bennett that he could
Speaker 1: be a really strong backup. But it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to see Braxton Burmeister putting the majority of the acc
Speaker 1: in the lost column after playing the Hokies, which is
Speaker 1: the expectation outside of Clemson and you know North Carolina
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: You remember when Justin Fuente was at Memphis, I do
Speaker 2: fun watch His offenses were awesome, man, awesome. You think
Speaker 2: he's running that offense at Tech with Braxen Burmeister.
Speaker 1: Something trying to be who is the giant quarterback that
Speaker 1: he got drafted in the first round who was definitely
Speaker 1: not an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 2: Paxton Lynch really good though in College very good, not
Speaker 2: so much for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: Is he still in the NFL?
Speaker 2: Maybe he is.
Speaker 1: He did not play this year. He was a practice
Speaker 1: squad Seahawk in twenty nineteen and caught. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's thrown an NFL pass in a long time,
Speaker 1: so he has thrown an NFL passed since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Do we think Braxton Burmeister is running that Memphis offense
Speaker 2: at Virginia chech not to say that fluent is even
Speaker 2: trying to run that, but is he getting anywhere close
Speaker 2: to it? I think the answer is no. It's rhetorical question, right,
Speaker 2: So no, it's not good. That's not good at all.
Speaker 1: They had what's his name though, right the gerad Evans
Speaker 1: He ran that pretty well, Jacy quarterback and shouldn't have declared.
Speaker 2: But yeah, last question, one more question. You get to
Speaker 2: pick one more.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of We had a few questions
Speaker 1: about the Oregon quarterback situation, and Dati says, did Tyler
Speaker 1: Schuck show enough for Oregon fans to have confidence for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one? Is Anthony Brown a better option? Oregon,
Speaker 1: like a number of schools, is now falling into a
Speaker 1: situation that is awful. The situation is looking at a
Speaker 1: committed recruit, assigned recruit, an incoming, blue chip, celebrated recruit
Speaker 1: and saying, that's the future, that's the guy. He's gonna
Speaker 1: save things. And if you are not living in the present,
Speaker 1: your situation downfield passing the ball, it's going to be
Speaker 1: very difficult to say, yes, I know things are bad,
Speaker 1: but wait till this guy gets here. I don't see
Speaker 1: Oregon in a good situation because that guy is ty
Speaker 1: Thompson for Oregon, he's an incoming I think he's a
Speaker 1: borderline five star, whatever that means. But Tyler Shuck was
Speaker 1: not the answer. You look at the Oregon State game,
Speaker 1: the USC game. Even though they won that game, he struggled.
Speaker 1: He struggled under pressure, like wait, are teams allowed to
Speaker 1: blitz like that level of struggle? And Anthony Brown is fine,
Speaker 1: he's on too bad knees. And I don't think Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown a full season Anthony Brown will win Oregon the
Speaker 1: PAC twelve. And so are you gambling on a true freshman?
Speaker 1: This is some same situation for the team of my
Speaker 1: other half, Michigan Wolverines, and it's I think JJ McCarthy. Oh,
Speaker 1: but just wait, JJ McCarthy. I don't know that Michigan's
Speaker 1: gonna win many games with Jim Harbaugh moving forward. I
Speaker 1: think the situation is pretty dire in ann Arbor. And
Speaker 1: so if you are putting that, if you're putting those
Speaker 1: eggs that many eggs in a an unproven freshman basket,
Speaker 1: your program's in a bad place in that situation, in
Speaker 1: that specific scenario. So I am not bullish. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. I'm not bullish on on Tyler Shock or
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, And I understand starting a freshman if he
Speaker 1: is your best option. But the best option is probably
Speaker 1: starting Anthony Brown for a few games and hope ty
Speaker 1: Thompson or Jay Butterfield, one of the young, unproven quarterbacks
Speaker 1: is ready, because I don't see another way around it
Speaker 1: unless they go into the transfer portal after spring for
Speaker 1: somebody else.
Speaker 2: Let me close it out with a question of my own.
Speaker 2: Who's the best quarterback in twenty twenty college football? Who's
Speaker 2: the best quarterback next year?
Speaker 1: The best quarterback in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a list of way too early Heisman
Speaker 2: front runners. So Sam Howell's the first name that jumps out.
Speaker 2: Sam Howell. Rout is up there, Spencer Rattler's up there
Speaker 2: on this list. They've got Bryce Young and Djangala, both
Speaker 2: of whom I think bring a lot of promise. But
Speaker 2: to put him this high on this list is aggressive. CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud's I think it'll be a name for Ohio State. Again,
Speaker 2: he's on this list. Haven't seen him yet, so.
Speaker 1: It hasn't thrown a meaningful pass. Yeah right.
Speaker 2: Some other names on here. J. T. Daniels, Keaton Slovas
Speaker 2: two names that we discussed.
Speaker 1: A huge Slovas guy. I think he's good, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not bowled over.
Speaker 2: What I'm seeing. Here is a couple good quarterback names
Speaker 2: that I'm excited about, But outside of Sam Howell, no
Speaker 2: one that I feel I can really rely on at
Speaker 2: this point. Djang A, Look what he did against Notre
Speaker 2: Dame was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And they get Tony Elliott back who and they get
Speaker 1: Tony Elliot flirted with Tennessee. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: He's going to be outstanding. We already know that. And
Speaker 2: we know that who's ever quarterback high the States could
Speaker 2: be very good? Like we know some of this is
Speaker 2: baked into the cake. But in terms of who's the
Speaker 2: best quarterback outside of Sam Howell, let's say so, it's
Speaker 2: an open question. I mean, I guess it could be
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler too, but like there's just so much out
Speaker 2: there in the quarterback space that we just don't know
Speaker 2: and can't really take for granted going into twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Rattler. I think if you're going
Speaker 1: to say, outside of Sam Howell, who do I have
Speaker 1: the most confidence in. I suppose we can see how
Speaker 1: Derek King heals up from his torn acl but he'll
Speaker 1: be a different kind of quarterback if he's ready early
Speaker 1: on in the season physically, but certainly he is somebody
Speaker 1: who I'm excited to see. Disappointed at Malik Hunningham step back.
Speaker 1: It is Malik right now? Or did he go I
Speaker 1: can't remember. Is it Malik or Michale right now?
Speaker 2: I think it's Malik. I think went back, it is Malik, Okay, went.
Speaker 1: Back to Milike. You know, there's a number of guys
Speaker 1: who I think could ascend to an interesting place, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think right now it's Rattler and Sam Howell,
Speaker 1: And then we'll know JT. Daniels made plays near the
Speaker 1: end of the year for Georgia and it should be
Speaker 1: in a position to win games. And somebody asked about
Speaker 1: Florida quarterbacks. You Mackenzie Milton's coming back, but he took
Speaker 1: a step back after Scott Frost left and hopefully physically
Speaker 1: he's good to go. Emery Jones, I'm not crazy high
Speaker 1: on at the moment, and I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: anybody else in the Big ten, acc anybody else in
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. Text is going to have a new starter,
Speaker 1: Spencer Sanders, Max Duggan, Like, there's just there's a lot
Speaker 1: of to me be minus passing attacks out there, and exactly,
Speaker 1: it's hard to see a number of these guys rising
Speaker 1: to anything beyond what we what we perceived their limit
Speaker 1: to be. Right now, can I ask you something completely
Speaker 1: to do with what we started out the show talking about,
Speaker 1: Please talking about Snow, what the f I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: do with all of this.
Speaker 2: You're really having a hard time with this, aren't you.
Speaker 2: You're not no one really enjoys shoving. You're having a
Speaker 2: hard time with this. Talk to me about your shoveling situation.
Speaker 1: Well, this just gloves recently. Yeah, I have loves. I
Speaker 1: have a shovel, I have a hat, I have AirPods,
Speaker 1: I'll listen to podcast. I have good boots, get my
Speaker 1: feet dry, grip well. Kind of what I want to
Speaker 1: know is I don't know something from.
Speaker 2: One of the curved ones that helps your back. Is
Speaker 2: it a push shovel? What do you have?
Speaker 1: It's a it's a straight pull and a wide shovel
Speaker 1: and a decent grip. And that's all I have. There's
Speaker 1: a that's all I have. I got it from Amazon
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: Tye.
Speaker 1: Okay, My question to you is you have a snowblower
Speaker 1: now I do?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, man, am I looked at as being like pulling
Speaker 1: my weight and I'm a good neighbor because I shovel myself.
Speaker 1: Is it an impressive reflection on me that I'm not
Speaker 1: hiring somebody or that I'm not using machinery to clear
Speaker 1: out my walk and path or whatever? Or is that
Speaker 1: just like just do what you need to do. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter about impressing your neighbors.
Speaker 2: It's it's work. Been like, it's a lot like journalism.
Speaker 2: You know, you got to pay your dues until you
Speaker 2: get up to some of the bigger stuff right now,
Speaker 2: there is no pride in doing the shoveling if you
Speaker 2: can afford to go snowblower, none whatsoever.
Speaker 1: So how much does a snowblower set you back? A
Speaker 1: decent one?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's several hundred dollars, I don't know the actual
Speaker 2: price tag.
Speaker 1: But so you're pushing it like you would push like
Speaker 1: a mailroom dolly almost sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not get the Cadillac of snowblowers by
Speaker 2: any stretch with what we've got out there. Now, I
Speaker 2: have it in first gear and I have to go
Speaker 2: very slowly down the driveway and along the sidewalks.
Speaker 1: But so you get two snow tires on that thing, correct,
Speaker 1: and then you're it's got like a bulldozer. So it's
Speaker 1: it's shooting the snow to the side, correct, correct, Okay,
Speaker 1: to each side. And it's not the easiest contraption to maneuver.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2: I've operated other ones before and they seem like they
Speaker 2: were much easier. But this is the one that I
Speaker 2: bought because it was on sale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it'll be a grand or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so it's it's fine. It gets the job done.
Speaker 2: I had to go out and do it now because
Speaker 2: we might get honestly, like a foot more tonight, and
Speaker 2: if I let that stack on top of what was
Speaker 2: already out there, I'm not using my snowblower. This is
Speaker 2: not going to work. So went out. Have you paid
Speaker 2: for a service before, a shoveling service? Yeah, some sort
Speaker 2: of clearance, I don't think so. Okay, No, I've never
Speaker 2: done that. I've always either done the shoveling or done
Speaker 2: the snow blowing. But when we moved into our new house,
Speaker 2: I did the shoveling once and then de sited. I
Speaker 2: needed to get the snowblower because there's just too much
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: How long will a snowblow sash take you approximately.
Speaker 2: Depends on how much snow. If we've got well over
Speaker 2: a foot like we do now, I was out there
Speaker 2: for a good hour and a half two hours earlier.
Speaker 2: What just doing a first pass at it and it's
Speaker 2: still not clean.
Speaker 1: So you're well, will you live? You have like a
Speaker 1: giant backyard right with good size backyard. So are you
Speaker 1: clearing the backyard or you're just clearing your patio in
Speaker 1: the front sidewalk? What are you clearing this.
Speaker 2: This is I'm definitely not clearing the grass in the backyard.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, but what are you clearing?
Speaker 2: That's a lot of gasoline that i'd need for that,
Speaker 2: now I would. I I'm clearing off the driveway and sidewalks.
Speaker 1: Driveway and sidewalks, and so you're going up and down
Speaker 1: like it's a lawnmower. Essentially, you're pushing it. Right, You're
Speaker 1: just in deep snow.
Speaker 2: It's got a little bit of its own self propulsion,
Speaker 2: which helps, right, But you know, unfortunately, because the snow
Speaker 2: is so deep, I can't really go that quick with it,
Speaker 2: just gotta turn my way through it.
Speaker 1: Would you be quicker with a shovel?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Maybe more uncomfortable. No, you wouldn't be quicker with a shovel.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking, so, what percentage of people on your
Speaker 1: block are snowblower versus shovel versus hiring a service.
Speaker 2: My neighbor has, he's been going the shovel route, and
Speaker 2: I've been trying to help however I can by doing
Speaker 2: at least a snowblower on his sidewalks. But I think
Speaker 2: most of the people in the neighborhood have snowblowers or
Speaker 2: services that come and do it for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, see what you're saying to me is I'm an
Speaker 1: impressive blue collar snow clearer with my shovel.
Speaker 2: You are blue collar. I don't know if it's it.
Speaker 1: Might not be that impressive. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: that impressive clearing a sidewalk and a little side path
Speaker 1: to my house.
Speaker 2: You could just be cheap. That's also a possibility.
Speaker 1: Now, I would love to throw money at this problem. Ty,
Speaker 1: That's why I'm asking you. I would like nothing more
Speaker 1: than to throw money at this problem. Because well, I
Speaker 1: will say I slept beautifully last night after shoveling three times.
Speaker 1: It's not worth it.
Speaker 2: It's not worth it. If you could afford the snowblower,
Speaker 2: get the snow blower. If you don't want the snowblower
Speaker 2: and we want a service, get the service.
Speaker 1: But no, it's not worth like even for one winter
Speaker 1: to say I did it the first window.
Speaker 2: No, just no, no, no, no, this is not This
Speaker 2: is not like going to a fancy restaurant for the
Speaker 2: first time. Are going to like Cabo. It's that there's
Speaker 2: no a lore. If you can afford to throw money
Speaker 2: and fix the problem. You do it.
Speaker 1: I think I probably have maybe fifty or sixty total
Speaker 1: feet of walk between the side and sidewalk side walk
Speaker 1: and the side walking path to the side.
Speaker 2: Are you snowblower curious?
Speaker 1: I am? I am?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 1: Is there a Is there a time you won't snowblow
Speaker 1: before in the morning?
Speaker 2: Um? Good question. Usually try to wait until at least
Speaker 2: like eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: Okay, that seems reasonable.
Speaker 2: But others are out there earlier, and they will be
Speaker 2: out late tonight. For what it's worth.
Speaker 1: If you're up in Minnesota, if you're up there in Canada,
Speaker 1: if you're up you know, Western New York, anywhere in Boston,
Speaker 1: I gotta imagine you shovel once, maybe maybe five years
Speaker 1: while you're young. I think there are a finite number
Speaker 1: of shovel years in me. Yeah, well, listen, possibly shovel days.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of folks who listen from those
Speaker 2: regions of the country in the world. They are clearly
Speaker 2: a better authority on this than I am, because they
Speaker 2: deal with more snow. We get the crazy nor'easters here.
Speaker 2: It just so happens. I'm in, like, yeah, the perfect
Speaker 2: spot to always take the full brunt of these Northeasterns.
Speaker 2: But what I'd say is, let's get some feedback on
Speaker 2: the best snowblower and the way to approach this problem.
Speaker 2: I will say that my neighbor and I, who both
Speaker 2: moved into this neighborhood the same year, basically made a
Speaker 2: pact with one another after that very first snowfall in
Speaker 2: our new houses that now we can't do this.
Speaker 1: Again, never again.
Speaker 2: I had one shoveling session, that was it. I had
Speaker 2: a snowblower the next week, and then it didn't snow
Speaker 2: for a year and a half. But so far I've
Speaker 2: been getting my money's worth out of it. Man.
Speaker 1: But an hour and a half snow blowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, deep snow, man, we're going to get like twenty
Speaker 2: five inches from this. So will you do multiple clearances
Speaker 2: a day? I'm not again, so you're not.
Speaker 1: Ending up clearing two feet of snow that you're doing,
Speaker 1: you know, eight inches of snow at a time.
Speaker 2: I went out and did I think I saw fourteen
Speaker 2: or fifteen out there? I went out and I did
Speaker 2: that because I know that there's a lot more coming
Speaker 2: and if I wait, it's going to be impossible to
Speaker 2: use a snowblower it's just the one that I have
Speaker 2: is not that big. So I had to go out there.
Speaker 2: I had to do round one. I'm fully anticipating round
Speaker 2: two is going to be tomorrow. It might be about
Speaker 2: the same amount of snow, but I needed to go
Speaker 2: out there and knock it down otherwise it was going
Speaker 2: to be crazy. Anything over a foot, yeah, which is
Speaker 2: a foot? Like that's the limit. You got to go
Speaker 2: out You got to knock it down. Otherwise it's it's
Speaker 2: sort of pointless.
Speaker 1: What's your ear situation? My ear situationsening to somebody, You're
Speaker 1: listening to music or're listening to podcast? Is it far
Speaker 1: too loud? It's too loud, like noise canceling something.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's too loud. It's too loud. It's
Speaker 2: just me and mother nature out there.
Speaker 1: You know, will do you put on like things just
Speaker 1: to block out the noise? Nope, it's not that loud.
Speaker 1: It's not that loud.
Speaker 2: We're not like running a chainsaw out there.
Speaker 1: But you'll have to excuse me. I'm a soft person
Speaker 1: from California who's never done this before, and I think
Speaker 1: I can make this public because we're all friends here
Speaker 1: that I don't know what I'm doing in the Arctic
Speaker 1: Circle that is Lake Michigan adjacent. So would you how would.
Speaker 2: You feel confidence wise running a snowblower?
Speaker 1: If somebody showed me how pretty confident, I'd have to
Speaker 1: watch some YouTube video. How are you with machines? You
Speaker 1: do lawnmowers? I'm a podcaster, yea, My machine is my
Speaker 1: my throat. I am. I'm fine. I'm a good learner.
Speaker 1: I'm a good student.
Speaker 2: So you're not not against running the machine. You just
Speaker 2: haven't had many opportunities or.
Speaker 1: Renting a house right now, so the owner of the house,
Speaker 1: if something's really bad, he'll help out. And we have
Speaker 1: somebody that mows our lawn, but that's pretty rare. That
Speaker 1: doesn't happen all the time. So I just take care
Speaker 1: of things and I water stuff in the backyard all that.
Speaker 1: But no, not a lot of heavy machinery in my
Speaker 1: life other than my car.
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you a chainsaw. I don't know
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do with it, but just to say
Speaker 2: you have it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm baking pizzas, I'm struggling to shovel. I'm
Speaker 1: doing my.
Speaker 2: Thing, Okay, Well, send Dan shoveling tips.
Speaker 1: Send me shoveling tips, send me like a new shovel.
Speaker 1: I just have a very basic one. Send me a
Speaker 1: new shovel idea, or send me snowblower ideas. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It might be too late in the season to invest.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're in Chicago, man.
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna last a while, isn't it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get snow for at least two more months. Snowblower,
Speaker 2: I send me some Rex eight hundred bucks eight hundred okay,
Speaker 2: and you're happy with it? Not really, but it does
Speaker 2: the job.
Speaker 1: So find me something that you'd be happier with, something
Speaker 1: you'd be happier with.
Speaker 2: This is the only one I know. I don't know
Speaker 2: anything about snow. Hardware told me to get this one,
Speaker 2: so I did.
Speaker 1: I researched cameras for two years before I bought a camera,
Speaker 1: and once I got the camera, I was happy with it,
Speaker 1: and I continued to research just because I always like
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really like the one I have, but
Speaker 2: it'll be a trick. Today. Solidverbal at gmail dot com
Speaker 2: talking quarterbacks and snowblowers here on an off season podcast.
Speaker 2: We will be back on Thursday to talk more college football.
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Speaker 1: Who is your snowblower? Twenty twenty one quarterback gets the
Speaker 1: job done but not necessarily the best? Who is your workman?
Speaker 2: Like? It could be Stets of Bennett.
Speaker 1: Stet's and Bennet's on the bench. That's Ebendans in the garage.
Speaker 2: All he needs just a very short season out of him.
Speaker 1: It's nice to have him, but I'm not fully happy
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, Tala Tongo Vailoa, Malie Cunningham with the turnovers.
Speaker 2: And that's a bad snowblower.
Speaker 1: He still finished like a top twenty five quarterback in
Speaker 1: the nation. Probably.
Speaker 2: I mean, the answer could be Jack Cone, even though
Speaker 2: he didn't play. I feel like Jack Conk Jack Cone's
Speaker 2: a very snowblower esque type of quarterback.
Speaker 1: How about Canny Pickett?
Speaker 2: Can pick it? Can he pick it through for like
Speaker 2: five hundred yards one game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying sometimes if the situation is ideal six
Speaker 1: inches of snow, can he Picket's gotcha? If it's a
Speaker 1: an interesting Boston College defense, it's about Filtererkovic filger Kovic's
Speaker 1: a really good snowblower. I like that filter.
Speaker 2: Kovic's like medium to upper tier snowblower.
Speaker 1: There you have it, forty five minutes of quarterback talk,
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes of snow clearance.
Speaker 2: For that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein, form myself, Tie Hildebrant.
Speaker 2: We will talk to you all on Thursday. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: stay warm, stay safe, and stay solid.
Speaker 1: Nice