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Speaker 1: Thursday night. It is April.

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Speaker 2: Twenty third, the year of our Lord, twenty twenty, still

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Speaker 2: locked down, still coming to you though, really glad that

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Speaker 2: Colin tells me last Sunday night, and we like to

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Speaker 2: do that every week. So we're happy to have you here.

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Speaker 2: We came on an hour early tonight. Your eyes are

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Speaker 2: not deceiving you. Like I said on Twitter earlier today,

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Speaker 2: we are not the USFL. We do not fancy ourselves

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Speaker 2: as being ready to take on the NFL quite yet.

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Speaker 2: So NFL drafts tonight. We said, we'll go ahead and

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Speaker 2: we've got a pack show for you. I got a

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Speaker 2: lot to get to tonight. I've got some notes about

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Speaker 2: the podcast. I put out a feeler for you last

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Speaker 2: week and you responded, and so I've got some more

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Speaker 2: So here's where we're going tonight and what I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do tonight. I'm going to start the show off

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Speaker 2: by clearing up. And this is my fault, sort of

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Speaker 2: a misnomer. It's not that I misspoke, It's that I

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Speaker 2: didn't speak enough. Believe it or not. Sometimes I do

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Speaker 2: leave things out about what the qualification should be. According

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Speaker 2: to us here in the four and No More Club,

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Speaker 2: we don't believe in playoff expansion. But yet I said

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Speaker 2: some things I think that maybe misled some of you.

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Speaker 2: And as you can see in this very very wordy

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Speaker 2: email that Lee sent me or Ryan sent me, it's

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Speaker 2: a good email. It's wordy, but there are a lot

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Speaker 2: show with that, and I'm also going to talk tonight

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Speaker 2: a lot more about Ohio State and what they're doing,

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Speaker 2: which is now bordering historic proportions. I think literally, as

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Speaker 2: we were sitting in here getting ready to come on

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Speaker 2: the air, they landed another Top one hundred player. I'm

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Speaker 2: told they can't take all the top one hundred kids.

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Speaker 2: The math just doesn't add up. So there will be

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Speaker 2: some leftover for the rest of you. You may have

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Speaker 2: And I tease this the other night, Sunday Night, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to do it tonight. I got some ideas from

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Speaker 2: you guys too, the Chicago Bulls documentary. If you watched

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Speaker 2: parts one and two of the eventual, I think it

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night, Dirty Words on ESPN.

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Speaker 2: How about that dirty language, Scottie Pippen, you didn't want

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Speaker 2: to watch your summer Shame on you. But what I

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Speaker 2: thought is in fantasyland, in hypothetical land, if we could

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Speaker 2: good submissions. I have a sneaking suspicion I'm going to

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Speaker 1: So let's get it started.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, again, if you're watching, go ahead

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Speaker 2: fifty while you're at it. Ryan emailed me the other night.

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Speaker 2: We had talked I think at pretty good length a

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Speaker 2: No radical concepts, really, I just think it really devalues

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Speaker 2: the regular season. I've got reasons. If you want to

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Speaker 1: That's correct. I do say that, But.

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Speaker 2: Ryan continues, again, it's my opinion regular season is more

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Speaker 2: Now I disagree fundamentally with that, but in his next paragraph,

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Speaker 1: How do we define best? Okay, because he is at a.

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Speaker 2: Fundamental disagreement on the structure of the playoff, and we're

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Speaker 2: good point. Ryan continues. The argument about which teams are

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Speaker 2: qualified to analyze and scout talent, but yet they still

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Speaker 2: fall back on that default. Ryan continues, in college football,

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Speaker 2: you'll automatically qualify. Because to my ear, that's what it

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Speaker 2: this is not the camp by men, and I want

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Speaker 2: All due respect of that industry, I'm in it. I'm

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I, as much

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Speaker 2: even though I don't know how strong the conference was

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Speaker 1: You'll never drag me to that corner.

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Speaker 2: the future, but you'll never voluntarily drag me to that corner.

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Speaker 2: But what I am telling you is this, and Ryan

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Speaker 2: actually brought up the perfect year. Ryan continue using his email.

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Speaker 2: I think back to twenty eighteen Georgia. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I was not in the camp, and I'm parked in

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Speaker 2: Perfect illustration of how I value the balance between merit

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Speaker 2: this past year. So Ryan continues, here's the fundamental disagreement.

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Speaker 2: To keep in mind. I'm all about power ratings and

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Speaker 2: I'm all about merit based accomplishments on the field. I

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Speaker 2: think there's a healthy balance that you can strike as

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Speaker 2: part of your criteria for who should make the field.

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Speaker 2: Ryan continues here, Yes, in his model, remember five conference champions,

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Speaker 2: supporting here. Yes, that would mean some very average conference

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's bad for the sport. In fact,

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Speaker 2: it's quite the opposite. I couldn't disagree anymore. Ryan continues,

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Speaker 1: That's garbage. It's a great email.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you fundamentally, when it comes to the principle

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Speaker 2: I've been at I don't know how many in a row.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we disagree.

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Speaker 1: I'm not all about this.

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Speaker 2: I'm not about looking at that and saying, well, since

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Speaker 1: That's not how the committee operates.

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Speaker 1: It's not in a vacuum.

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Speaker 2: It's relative to what everyone else has done in a

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Speaker 2: given year. There may have been a year where Georgia

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on. We got some other things

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Speaker 1: Some of you don't care about that. That's fine, I do.

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Speaker 1: I want you to notice something though. It's a smart move.

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Speaker 2: So maybe you have to settle for your third tier kids. Well,

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Speaker 2: Here we're taking him, can't let him get away.

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Speaker 2: It's a smart move to me, if that's what happened,

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Speaker 2: This is where you separate the casual observer from people

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Speaker 2: And the reason is because they understand how this game works,

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Speaker 2: Though in Ohio State hasn't been bad recruiting. They haven't

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Speaker 2: You have to recruit at that level. I want you

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Speaker 2: four and a half point favorite against an Alabama or

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Speaker 2: a Clemson.

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Speaker 1: Then you get in the arena, then you do battle.

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Speaker 2: How many times would you guys have to watch this

440
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Speaker 2: Clemson replay from this past year to understand how razor

441
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Speaker 2: thin the mar rgins are between the elite teams in

442
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Speaker 2: this sport. I thought Ohio State was the better team

443
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Speaker 2: on the field. They didn't win the game. I thought

444
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Speaker 2: they were the better team. I was firmly in you

445
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Speaker 2: guys camp when you talked about getting jilted by the referees.

446
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Speaker 1: But that's the point.

447
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Speaker 2: If you're in a situation where one call going against

448
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Speaker 2: you could tilt a game one way or the other.

449
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Speaker 2: That's how tight the margins are. Now here's how a

450
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Speaker 2: good coaching staff understands to look at recruiting, even at

451
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Speaker 2: an elite level. If you take let's take this thermis

452
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Speaker 2: for example, so let's pretend it's paper instead of whatever

453
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Speaker 2: this thing's made up. You may look at this and

454
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Speaker 2: we'll take the top off of it. You may look

455
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Speaker 2: at this and you may think that if you put

456
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Speaker 2: this under the sink, eventually it's going to fill up.

457
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Speaker 2: And that's the way that some people think about recruiting.

458
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Speaker 2: You just let the fawcet run. And then, if you're

459
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Speaker 2: listening to the podcast, I am holding a conteena in

460
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Speaker 2: my hand. You may think, if you put that under

461
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Speaker 2: the faucet, it fills up. And it does. That's a fact,

462
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Speaker 2: But that's not the way college football works. Here's the

463
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Speaker 2: way college footba works. Everyone's got leaks. Every single program

464
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Speaker 2: has leaks. Not one, they get multiple leaks. The best

465
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Speaker 2: of the best. It's happened and will happen since the

466
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Speaker 2: beginning of time to the end of time. The best

467
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Speaker 2: sometimes get injured. And so you poke one hole and

468
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Speaker 2: you can still fill this thing to such a degree

469
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Speaker 2: that you overcome the hole. But that may not be

470
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Speaker 2: the only hole that shows up. Then all of a sudden,

471
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Speaker 2: you stack your roster so deep. You got some transfers,

472
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Speaker 2: and some kids want to go elsewhere for playing time.

473
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Speaker 2: Now that's still okay because you're they're transferring because the

474
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Speaker 2: front line guys are really good. But then all of

475
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Speaker 2: a sudden, a couple of those front line guys at

476
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Speaker 2: a same position group go down. Then all of a sudden,

477
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Speaker 2: you've recruited circles around everyone, and somehow you have a weakness.

478
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Speaker 2: Think Alabama linebackers circle twenty nineteen and twenty eighteen, and

479
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Speaker 2: Alabama's recruited linebackers lights out for a long time.

480
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Speaker 1: And so then you may have some character issues.

481
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Speaker 2: Some guys for no reason that has anything to do

482
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Speaker 2: with talent, don't pay out. Then you got a couple

483
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Speaker 2: of developmental issues, guys that just never fully maximize that potential.

484
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Speaker 2: And so you quickly see there are a lot more

485
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Speaker 2: holes figuratively of course, in this canteena that is your

486
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Speaker 2: recruiting efforts than it looked like there was, And all

487
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, you can keep it full. But in

488
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Speaker 2: order to overcome the four or five holes, the four

489
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Speaker 2: or five leaks that every program springs, what do you

490
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Speaker 2: have to do? You have to turn up the intensity

491
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Speaker 2: of the inflow and the water going in there so

492
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Speaker 2: much that it looks like you have opened one of

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Speaker 2: the levers on the Hoover Dam. That's what Ryan Day's done.

494
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Speaker 2: But the difference between him and all these folks laughing

495
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Speaker 2: like it's going to be some cake walk for Ohio

496
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Speaker 2: State from now until eternity is. He knows, we got

497
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Speaker 2: to do this just to be able to compete against

498
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Speaker 2: the Tier one teams. That's what they're doing. That's why

499
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Speaker 2: they're not going anywhere anytime soon. All they're doing is

500
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Speaker 2: trending upward. And keep in mind, they're trending upward from

501
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Speaker 2: a previous era in which they had one of the

502
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Speaker 2: very best head coaches in the history of college football

503
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Speaker 2: leading their program.

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Speaker 1: That's all Ryan Day's done so far.

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Speaker 2: So appreciate what Ohio State's doing in recruiting, but understand

506
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Speaker 2: they're recruiting against a different game. They're not recruiting against

507
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Speaker 2: the Big Ten. You'll never get them to say that,

508
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Speaker 2: but in my mind, that's how I view it. They're

509
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Speaker 2: recruiting and they're building a roster to ultimately in December

510
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Speaker 2: and January or whenever we end up getting to college

511
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Speaker 2: football playoff time, they're building to measure themselves against the

512
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Speaker 2: very best. The other night, we were going to do

513
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Speaker 2: this because the Bulls documentary series docu series started to

514
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Speaker 2: come out, So I thought to myself, and then I

515
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Speaker 2: thought better of it and pushed it to tonight. What

516
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Speaker 2: if we could do with college football any given era

517
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Speaker 2: what that documentary crew did to remind you what's happening

518
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Speaker 2: on Sunday nights on ESPN as Essentially, a documentary crew

519
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Speaker 2: followed around the Bulls in the ninety seven to ninety

520
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Speaker 2: eight season and they were given full access. And only

521
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Speaker 2: now have they finished the product cause Michael Jordan only

522
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Speaker 2: a few years ago signed off on finishing the product.

523
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Speaker 2: But basically, what you're getting to see twenty some odd years,

524
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Speaker 2: twenty five years removed, is what it was really like,

525
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Speaker 2: and you get a full behind the curtain, peelback access

526
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Speaker 2: look at what it was really like.

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Speaker 1: So it's just fascinating and it's what fans want.

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Speaker 2: They want information and they want access, and this kind

529
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Speaker 2: of content gives you both. We try and do it

530
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Speaker 2: on our show, and we're really going to try right now.

531
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Speaker 2: So here's what we took it upon ourselves to do.

532
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Speaker 2: We took it upon ourselves to think, if we could

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Speaker 2: apply that same blueprint to college football, what would you

534
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Speaker 2: like to see?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Obviously we can't do this, but what would you have

537
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Speaker 2: liked to have seen? I came up with a few.

538
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Speaker 2: I'm going to name them for you right now now

539
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Speaker 2: to me, the titles everything here potential thirty for thirty

540
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Speaker 2: or potential long form documentaries. How about this one Changing Lanes.

541
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Speaker 2: Very very creative with the title here, at least we

542
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Speaker 2: tried to be. I would love for a documentary crew

543
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Speaker 2: to have followed Lane Kiffen from the time that he

544
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Speaker 2: got left on that tarmac by usc to the time

545
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Speaker 2: he crawled to Alabama to the time he won.

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Speaker 1: Back to back to back as SEC championships.

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Speaker 2: There is offensive coordinator throwing his hands up in the

548
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Speaker 2: air before the ball has even been released for a touchdown,

549
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Speaker 2: and he gets his shot as a head coach again

550
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Speaker 2: down at Florida Atlantic, and he convinces the people who

551
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Speaker 2: need to be convinced that he's turned over a new leaf,

552
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Speaker 2: thus the changing of the lanes as mentioned in the title.

553
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Speaker 2: And now he's back and he's in the SEC as

554
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Speaker 2: a head coach, and his message to you, to me

555
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Speaker 2: and to everyone else is I'm a changed man. I've

556
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Speaker 2: learned lessons in the past that I'm now going to

557
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Speaker 2: be able to apply, and I'm going to be able

558
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Speaker 2: to do a lot of the same things that maybe

559
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Speaker 2: at Orgeron's doing right now. Orgeron wasn't a head coach

560
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Speaker 2: capable of winning a national championship his first go around

561
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Speaker 2: as a head coach.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he learned lessons and he's applying them now. Let's

563
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Speaker 1: make no mistake.

564
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Speaker 2: You can get a little bit better roster underneath your

565
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Speaker 2: belt at LSU than you could at all, miss Or

566
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Speaker 2: at least that's what people would lead you to believe.

567
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Speaker 2: Maybe Lane Kiffen believes otherwise, changing lanes. That's the first idea.

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Speaker 2: Second idea, PS Bama is the title of this one.

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Speaker 2: PS stands for a couple of things. ES stands for

570
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Speaker 2: post Stallings and PS stands for pre Sabing. And what

571
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Speaker 2: we're thinking about is essentially the wasteland largely that existed

572
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Speaker 2: for Alabama as a program between the Gene Stallings era

573
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Speaker 2: and the Nick Saban era. I don't need to remind

574
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Speaker 2: you guys in Tuscaloosa what this consisted of. And it

575
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: was not just a two three four year period. So

576
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Speaker 2: what you would love to see here is you would

577
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: love to see all the inner workings in the dysfunction,

578
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: and they mixed an SEC championship in the midst of

579
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Speaker 2: all this in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 1: Nine, but you had Mike Dubo's.

581
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Speaker 2: Then you had Franchoni telling you to hold the rope

582
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Speaker 2: as he promptly drops the rope and goes to college station.

583
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Speaker 2: And then you had Mike Price have some fun in

584
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Speaker 2: a hotel room and never coach a game. And then

585
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: you have Mike Shula come in as NCAA sanctions are

586
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: levied against the program, and so he actually does hold

587
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: the rope. And Alabama's nothing to write home about. They

588
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: briefly had a blip in five where they went undefeated

589
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Speaker 2: deep into the season.

590
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Speaker 1: I think they ultimately went to the hot And Bowl

591
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Speaker 1: that year.

592
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Speaker 2: But then you conclude this, you could be a fifty

593
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: parter for all I care. You conclude this with mal

594
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: Moore being able to go get Nick Saban. And remember

595
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: before that it looked for all the world like it

596
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: was going to be Rich Rodriguez, only to find out

597
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: that his wife was scared away from the culture in Tuscaloosa,

598
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: and so oh, we're back on the market. And so

599
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: we make a second run at Nick Saban and we

600
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Speaker 2: get him. Tell me, that wouldn't be something that was

601
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: worth watching. Third idea, the best that almost was this

602
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: is all about Mark Richt. Mark Rickt, I have stated

603
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Speaker 2: on this show within the last month, is a guy

604
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Speaker 2: that I feel was unfairly criticized somewhat in his time

605
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Speaker 2: at Georgia. And the reason that I don't feel like

606
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: he was given his proper do and I do feel

607
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: like he's unfairly compared to Kirby Smart is because Kirby

608
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: Smart has access to resources that Mark rick was never

609
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: given access to. The credit goes to Kirby Smart here

610
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: for convincing the people that needed to be convinced in

611
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Speaker 2: Athens to get off their hip pocket and get off

612
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Speaker 2: the pride, and get off their sweater, vest a little

613
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: bit and fully invest, because if you want Alabama results,

614
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: you got to have Alabama investment.

615
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Speaker 1: Mark Ricked, for whatever reason, was.

616
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Speaker 2: Never fully able to convince the powers that be at

617
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Speaker 2: Georgia to invest Sunday through Friday, as I always like

618
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: to say, to the degree that it took to match

619
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Speaker 2: the results that Alabama was getting on Saturdays, but that

620
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: didn't matter to people. They still held him to that standard.

621
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Speaker 2: And I think about twenty twelve, very very classic SEC

622
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: Championship game, really famous. Alabama takes a late lead, it

623
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: was aj mccaeron to Amari Cooper and then Aaron Murray.

624
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: Trot's out there for Georgia and they got a little

625
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: bit of time left, and they're driving down the field

626
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: and they get down inside the ten and Gary Danielson's yelling, Oh,

627
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: they're going to have two throws to the end zone.

628
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: The only problem being one of those throws is tipped

629
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Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage. Some Georgia fans inexplicably suggests

630
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: that the receivers should drop the ball on purpose, even

631
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: though he's never trained like that in his life, and

632
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: the most aware football player on the planet wouldn't.

633
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: Know to do it.

634
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: Ballfalls or receiver falls with ball complete, he had no

635
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: timeouts left, clock hit zero. Alabama goes to Miami and

636
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: bloodbaths Notre Dame, which I believe Georgia also would have

637
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: done had they gone to Miami. How different would history

638
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: be is my question? If Mark rickt ends up with

639
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: one more play, Let's say they win the game. Just hypothetically,

640
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: Let's say they win the game and he goes to

641
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: Miami and they win a national championship against Notre Dame.

642
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: How different are things there? Of course, Mark Rick is

643
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: remembered differently. Think about how different Less Miles is remembered

644
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: because he won a championship.

645
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Speaker 1: Championships, Sir, I.

646
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: Don't need to say this, it's the most obvious statement

647
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: in the world. But championships are really important. How important

648
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: was Jimbo Fisher's championship in twenty thirteen. You think he's

649
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: getting seventy five million guaranteed, And a lot of those folks,

650
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: by the way, that guaranteed that seventy five million did

651
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: it because they were so confident in the consistency of

652
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: the price of oil at the time you watched the

653
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: news this week. Jimbo's got it guaranteed. He doesn't care.

654
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Speaker 2: He's not invested in oil. He's invested in football. So

655
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: I just wonder because a lot of people look at

656
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: Mark Rick's time at Georgia and they say, couldn't get

657
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: the job done. Okay, I mean, that's one way to

658
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: look at it, and technically, no, they didn't get the

659
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: job done. But what's the difference in the caliber he

660
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: had the program at what's the difference in having time

661
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: for one more play or having a time out in

662
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: your back pocket? My point is it's thinner than a

663
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: piece of paper. Georgia was good enough to win a

664
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: national championship that year.

665
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't win it. Alabama was that much

666
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: better on that given Saturday.

667
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: But there's a wide gulf between the revisionist perception of

668
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: what Mark Rick was versus what the perception would be

669
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: of him had they won that championship, which I always

670
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: think is unfair. I don't think that way, but I digress.

671
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: Move on.

672
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 2: By far my favorite title I came up with. It

673
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: was approved by Colin, who was a lot better film

674
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: critic than I am. We're going to just throw out

675
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: Slouching Tiger Hidden Champion on you, right here, in front

676
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: of God and everyone. Slouching Tiger Hidden Champion is going

677
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: to chronicle simultaneous Dabos Swenny's rise to prominence at Clemson

678
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: and ed Orgeron's rise to prominence at LSU. And what

679
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: we're going to do is we're going to have a

680
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: documentary crew follow each guy and we're going to chronicle

681
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: all of the things that were said about Dabo Swinny

682
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: those first few years. Do you remember when West Virginia

683
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: dropped seventy on them in the Orange Bowl?

684
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: You remember when.

685
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Florida State came in there and just pasted them in

686
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: Death Valley. All of this stuff happened like dabos Swenny

687
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: was not a national champion overnight. It took a while

688
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: and it sounded kind of goofy at times, and before

689
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: he was winning championships, people took their shots at him,

690
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: same way with Ed Orgeron. That's the reason I call

691
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: it slouching Tiger hidden championship instead of crouching, because that's

692
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: kind of how people would caricature. Both of these guys

693
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: just kind of aw shucks.

694
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Howdy doty oh.

695
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: It's really good for the flavor of the sport, but

696
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: no one's really taken them seriously. And now both of

697
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: them are now sational champions. Dabo's one a couple of them.

698
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: Edworzuran looks like he's at the party to stay, and

699
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: he just had probably the best season that any of

700
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: us have ever seen in the history of college football.

701
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: But what's most fun about this documentary is not even

702
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: following the coaches themselves.

703
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Partly it is because partly.

704
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: It's fun to watch them publicly play into this false

705
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: persona and narrative that media has created around them.

706
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: You think they're dumb.

707
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: They're happy to let you think that when behind the

708
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: scenes they're running some of the highest performing organizations in

709
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 2: the sport.

710
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: That's part one.

711
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: Part two of what's fun about this is to follow

712
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: the same people at the beginning of edwar Zurn's career

713
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: or Dablos Twinny's career, who put out all these national

714
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: headlines about what a cluster, you know, what it was

715
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: to hire this guy or that guy, or how far

716
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: behind their program is going to be to at the

717
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: time Florida State for Dabbo or Alabama as it relates

718
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: to edwors run. And then watch the same ones think

719
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: that they can just whitewash history and to wag their

720
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: finger at you after these guys have the results and

721
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: say shame on anyone who doubted these coaches. Well, this

722
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: documentary throws a great big mirror in front of every

723
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: one of their faces.

724
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: So that would be fun.

725
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: And how about number five, Now, this is one I

726
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: was really close to. I'm gonna call it now. I'm

727
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: not crazy about the title. I'm open to change Gus's

728
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: fall for all, We're gonna rewind to twenty seventeen. I

729
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: think I just talked about this like a month ago.

730
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: This was a period of time. The fall of twenty

731
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: seventeen was a period of time where quarter to midway

732
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: through the season, Auburn goes down to LSU. They build

733
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: a twenty to dozing lead, LSU comes roaring back. I

734
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: think the final was twenty seven to twenty one. Talked

735
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: about the scene in the postgame press conference afterwards. Half

736
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: the Auburn beat guys are trashing mals On so loudly

737
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: that Christy Malson his wife leaning on the door over here,

738
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: can hear it.

739
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: To her credit, she.

740
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: Didn't say anything. She just stood there, and so everyone's

741
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: got him on the hot seat. I cannot stress enough

742
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: how much of a fork one conclusion. It was in

743
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: people's minds that this was it for him. He was

744
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: going to be done. The only question was are they

745
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: going to let him finish the season. Five weeks later,

746
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: he's beating Georgia, number one team in the country. Georgia,

747
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: He's pasting them like forty to seventeen or something like that.

748
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: And then two weeks later he beats number one Alabama.

749
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: First time in history of college football, you've beat number

750
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: one teams two times in a three week period and

751
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: then the week of the SEC Championship game because they

752
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: won the West week in the SEC Championship game, this

753
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: guy has gone from being on the hot seat and

754
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: you know the Auburn websites putting up hot boards for

755
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: who the next head coach is going to be, to

756
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: back in Auburn into a corner, and his representation effectively

757
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: backing Auburn into a corner saying we want a new

758
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: deal and we wanted agreed to at least in principle

759
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: before we played Georgia in Atlanta this Saturday. That would

760
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: be very, very very fun to watch. So those are

761
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: the five hypotheticals as the dream list of documentaries that

762
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: I would really love to see there. We've got a

763
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: lot of good questions to get to right here. We're

764
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: going to move through them rapid fire and then get

765
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: out of here so you can watch the draft tonight.

766
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: I had a you know what, I'm gonna do this

767
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: one first? So Sam got to me, like it feels

768
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: like a month ago, doesn't it.

769
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: Sam. He got to me with a Minnesota question.

770
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: And I know some of you may be rolling your

771
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: eyes as I pull up a website here. Some of

772
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: you may be rolling your eyes. What are we going

773
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: to waste time talking about Minnesota for? Well, I'm going

774
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: to tell you why do you understand that as much

775
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: as we just talked about Ohio State, do you know

776
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: Minnesota's ranked fifth, not in the Big Ten, fifth nationally

777
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: in recruiting right now?

778
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: PJ.

779
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: Fleck's doing a really, really, really good job. They're not

780
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: going to finish number five in all likelihood, But I

781
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: look at their commitment list, Nebraska, Illinois, Arizona, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, Illinois, Minnesota, Minnesota, Illinois.

782
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: They're going all over the place. Two Texas kids, another

783
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: Ohios kid. They're going all over the place to get guys.

784
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: And so Sam's question was I saw the video on

785
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: HERM Edwards and a viewer had asked us what is

786
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: the ceiling at Arizona State?

787
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: Under her Edwards?

788
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: Sam asked, what is PJ flex at Minnesota? Essentially, there's

789
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: a lot of hype right now. It's good hype. What

790
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: I think they are is they are what Mississippi State

791
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: is in the SEC. Dan Mullen proved this in his

792
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: time there, and I think of Minnesota the same way.

793
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: They are a program that if they recruit right, they

794
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: develop right, they don't have a ton of injuries.

795
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: They can build.

796
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: For about every three years, two three years, three to

797
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: four years. They can crescendo and they can be good

798
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: enough if they catch the Big ten and maybe a

799
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: down cycle or maybe if there's big time quarterback injury

800
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: at a couple of places, they could out of nowhere

801
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: come in and shock people and win a Big Ten championship.

802
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: They got to build to it, and it's still it's

803
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: a monumental task, especially given again what we're seeing in Columbus,

804
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: Ohio right now. But behind Ohio State that's where Minnesota

805
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: could make some noise.

806
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: And the only.

807
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: Question I think is how does PJ. Fleck make so

808
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: much noise that it's hard to keep him there? Because see,

809
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: I was talking back and forth with Sam and he's

810
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: a native of Minnesota, a Minnesotan if you will, and

811
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: he was talking about the overall makeup of the state

812
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: of Minnesota. It's a pro sport state and they're not

813
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: paying attention to the University of Minnesota unless UM goes

814
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: a long long way in earning that attention.

815
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: And he's earned that attention.

816
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Has PJ Fleck in Minnesotas earned that attention, and so

817
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's kind of popular to talk

818
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: about Minnesota football up there right now, and that's not

819
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: always been the case. So there's kind of an undercurrent.

820
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: I know you don't feel it in Texas or Georgia

821
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: or North Carolina, but there's this kind of undercurrent in

822
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: the Big Ten for hardcore Big Ten fans and especially

823
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, that hey, there's something happening here and it's

824
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: an exciting program to watch right now. Kevin asked about

825
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: the biggest sleeper in the draft the NFL drafts tonight.

826
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to hear this name tonight.

827
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: This is such an easy answer for me. Cam Akers

828
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: by one hundred miles is the biggest sleeper in this draft.

829
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: You know what's funny and false that a lot of

830
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: people say a lot of people say these days, it

831
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where you go to college. If you got talent,

832
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: the NFL will find you. Well, that's technically true. Where

833
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: are they gonna draft you? When are they gonna draft you?

834
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean I could get drafted third overall in the

835
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: first round and you could get drafted late in the

836
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: sixth I mean, we both got drafted, like, is that

837
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: what we're going for here, cam Akers? If you go

838
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: back a couple of years, I think at one time

839
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: he was committed to Alabama, so was Najia Harris, and

840
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: so mister Acres took his talents to Tallahassee. That guy

841
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: played behind a garbage offensive line for a terrible at

842
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: the time, a terrible program, a badly mismanaged program, and

843
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: he was on an island down there.

844
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: Cam Akers is a stub. Cam Akers is.

845
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: Probably gonna make a lot of money and play for

846
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: a long time in the NFL. And the only reason,

847
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: one of the only reasons in my mind, you're not

848
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: going to hear his name tonight in the first round

849
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: is because of where he went to college. Now, it

850
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: may be that Mike Norvel gets things in a couple

851
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: of years to where that's once again the place to

852
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: go to get developed go first round, but it wasn't

853
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: that under Willie Tagger To say the least, it wasn't that.

854
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: So I don't want to hear all this. Oh, it

855
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where you go. If your talented, the NFL

856
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: will find you. You only got one chance to maximize

857
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: your value in college. You only got one chance to

858
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: cash in on that big rookie deal, and you're not

859
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 2: guaranteed a second deal. So it very much matters where

860
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: and when you go to college if you have those

861
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: kinds of options, which he did. Devn asked if Notre

862
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: Dame does not make the college football playoff this year,

863
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: is it time to move on from Brian Kelly?

864
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: No, unequivocally no.

865
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: I talked to Brian Kelly this morning, actually for about

866
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. Very kind to take time and talk to me,

867
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: and I asked him point blank, said, you're not in

868
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: Tier one. Talk about Tier one earlier tonight. You're not

869
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: in Tier one in college football. But yet you've won

870
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: back to back to back double digit seasons. I would

871
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: say that Notre Dame probably their foundation is as solid

872
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: as it's been in at least a generation, if not

873
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: a couple of generations. How confident are you you can

874
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: finally elevate Tier one? I mean, you hadn't won a championship,

875
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: That's what I said to him, You hadn't won one.

876
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: That's why people don't perceive you as being there. And

877
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: he was adamant. He said, no, we hadn't gotten there.

878
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: We will get there. I'm going to release that full

879
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: interview Monday, by the way, or Tuesday, I believe it's

880
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: slated to be released. He said, we will get there.

881
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: I'm adamant. I'm very confident that we will get there.

882
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: And I told you, for my money, I told you

883
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. I believe that they have

884
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: to land a game changing quarterback, either that or they

885
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: have to develop one. And if they do that, I

886
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: think a lot of those other tumblers fall into place.

887
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: It's just so easy to say sitting at a desk,

888
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: and it's so much harder to do it. This is

889
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: not It sounds like I'm going back a long way.

890
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: This is not two thousand and nine, ten eleven anymore.

891
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Where all due respect, you could win a championship with

892
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: Greg McElroy today. Look at the teams that win, and

893
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 2: look at the quarterback. Look at the quarterbacks that aren't

894
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: even good enough to win a national championship because of

895
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: the other ones that are. You got to be dynamic,

896
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: You got to have a star at quarterback. That's what

897
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 2: it takes for Notre Dame. Uh. Jared asks, how about

898
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: the draft? How does it affect a program and how

899
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: programs viewed. I imagine it's along the lines of the

900
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: more drafted players equals the better you are. Is there

901
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: any other perspective you can add, If so, I'd love.

902
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: To hear it. Yeah. I take Miami for example. Miami.

903
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: I kind of got into it the other day about

904
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: when we were talking about blue blood programs, historic blue

905
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: blood programs, and I didn't put Miami there only be

906
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: cause I said, prior to the eighties, there's not a

907
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: long track record of winning. Doesn't have anything to do

908
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: with him today. But one of the guys came back

909
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: and said, what are you talking about. Miami sends a

910
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: lot of players to the draft. Yeah, it's not a

911
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: good thing considering where you've been lately. That's an indictment

912
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: on the state of the program. That's not a good thing.

913
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: Because you're right. You go back and look at Miami's

914
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: draft history. I mean, they haven't littered the first round

915
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: like they've been known to do, but they've sent a

916
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: healthy amount of guys to the NFL Draft, and all

917
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: the while, I pull up their record and I look

918
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: in the ACC No, less, this is the best that

919
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: you've been able to do.

920
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: Even with all these NFL guys on your roster.

921
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: So is Let's say, to go back to Jared's question, here,

922
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: the perception of a program, in this case, the NFL

923
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: Draft is actually hurting the short term future of Miami's program.

924
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: And here's why.

925
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: If I'm recruiting against Miami, all I'm telling a kid

926
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: this is it's nothing personal, Miami, this is just reality.

927
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: If I'm going up against you on the trail, if

928
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Mullen and I'm going up against Manny Diaz,

929
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: even though many Diaz has very little to do with

930
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: this problem right now because he hadn't been there long enough,

931
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: I'm saying, look, they send guys to the league. We

932
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: send guys to the league. Here's the problem. Look at

933
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: the guys they're sending to the league, and then look

934
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: at how much they're underachieving. Even with those guys for

935
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: all you know, high school senior, those third and fourth

936
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: rounders are really first rounders. It's just they're not being

937
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: developed because it's obvious they don't have their you know

938
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: what in order down there. If they did that, be

939
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: winning with these NFL guys, and in turn, instead of

940
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: going third, fourth round, a lot of them maybe first

941
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: or second round. Come play here. We don't obviously have

942
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: any problem sending kids to the league. Look at our

943
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: track record, but we're winning as we send kids to

944
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: the league.

945
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: That's what I would do.

946
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if they weren't sending guys to

947
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: the NFL, because then, if I'm Manny Diaz, all I

948
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: have to do is say, well, we just hadn't been

949
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: talented enough. I mean, once we're talented enough, we'll win.

950
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: That's not what Miami can say right now. They've been mismanaged,

951
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: they can been underdeveloped, whatever you want to say. Talent

952
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: hasn't been the issue. Maybe skill has, and there's a

953
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: big difference between the two. A lot of talented unskilled

954
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: players out there. But that's how I would That's really

955
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: what I go to when I talk about how the

956
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: draft affects the perception of a program. Aside from the obvious.

957
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: Got a lot of folks in the chat to we

958
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: started an hour early. I assume somebody's going to show

959
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: up in about fifteen minutes and be mad. But you

960
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: can watch the replay before you leave. I would ask

961
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: that you click that thumbs up button on the way out.

962
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: Do you give us a like?

963
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: And I told you before we go off the air,

964
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about the podcast, so the

965
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: Late Kick Podcast. Wherever you download your podcast you can

966
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: find us, or just click the link in the show

967
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968
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: Here's what we're gonna do.

969
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: I get so many good questions, and I tell you

970
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: give me the questions for the Q and A, and

971
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: I don't have time to put them all in the show.

972
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: So I figure, if we're going to do some bonus

973
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: content on the po podcast right now, why not let

974
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: you drive it. And so what I'm going to do

975
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: is you may not know I've done it, but I'm

976
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: going to accumulate as many questions as I can from

977
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: the chat when I go back and look at it

978
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Speaker 2: before I trim the video at the very end. And

979
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the stuff that you email me,

980
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: the stuff that you DM me on Twitter, and I'm

981
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: just going to put it into as rapid fire format

982
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: as I can. I'm gonna probably have this debuting next week,

983
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 2: so on the Sunday show, I should have a finalized

984
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: timeline for you, and then our podcast wizards, Tany and

985
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: Connie Connor can give me a better guidance on it.

986
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: And so we'll hope to roll that out next week sometime.

987
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Speaker 2: But I'm going to get you as involved in the

988
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: show as possible because it.

989
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: Is your show and not my show.

990
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: So aside from that, it's time to go watch the

991
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Speaker 2: draft tonight. We appreciate you being here. We'll be back,

992
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Speaker 2: not the same time, We'll be back at the normal time,

993
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Speaker 2: Sunday night, eight Eastern, seventh Central.

994
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Speaker 1: This is the late kick. I'm Josh Pate for Connor TONI.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll throw them in there here, mainly for Colin

996
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Speaker 2: and for Aeroni.

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Speaker 1: For everyone here, thanks for watching, Have a great night.