Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. So, folks,
Speaker 1: happy Monday to you. I hope that you had a
Speaker 1: RESTful weekend and we're able to participate in some joy
Speaker 1: and some sunshine, even if you're on the East Coast
Speaker 1: and it was called af this weekend. I want to
Speaker 1: start off by talking about the disgrace that is the
Speaker 1: Republican Party. You know, Um, I do my best, as
Speaker 1: I tell all of you each and every week, to
Speaker 1: not watch the news over the weekend because I realize
Speaker 1: for myself and then I don't know about all of you,
Speaker 1: but I can ingest just as much from reading, um
Speaker 1: multiple newspaper vers just as much from being on social
Speaker 1: media than I can from actually sitting down and ingesting
Speaker 1: just the same stories over and over again. And when
Speaker 1: I came across the fact that the Republican Party voted
Speaker 1: to censure both Adam Kissinger and and you know continue
Speaker 1: on with their fight against Liz Cheney and deciding to
Speaker 1: vote that January sixth, twenty twenty one was normal political discourse.
Speaker 1: I wanted that that vote, that vote on gaslighting, essentially,
Speaker 1: to continue to gaslight the nation and tell us that
Speaker 1: what it was that we saw, what it was that
Speaker 1: we have experienced through playbacks, through the testimony of Capitol
Speaker 1: Police and DC Metropolitan Police, through the four hundred some
Speaker 1: odd people that have given testimony to the one six Commission,
Speaker 1: that we're all crazy, essentially, is what the Republican Party
Speaker 1: decided to vote on. That don't believe your eyes, don't
Speaker 1: believe your own ears, don't believe anything other than the
Speaker 1: bullshit that we are willingly shoveling onto the American project,
Speaker 1: onto the project of democracy, and that you choose to
Speaker 1: censure the two Republicans who have enough goddamn sense to
Speaker 1: recognize that this country is in a free fall and
Speaker 1: that the oath that they took to uphold the Constitution
Speaker 1: to write the rule of law doesn't mean anything so
Speaker 1: long as you're stepping outside of the Republican cult boundaries,
Speaker 1: and that you would rather censure people like the two
Speaker 1: Republicans that are sitting on the one Sex Commission, then
Speaker 1: the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Laura Boubert's and the
Speaker 1: Matt Gateses, and so on and so forth, and so
Speaker 1: It brings me back to the end of the week
Speaker 1: when I went off on a thirst day on Instagram
Speaker 1: live being really pissed off at Joe Biden for his
Speaker 1: comments at the breakfast. And let me remind you, Joe
Speaker 1: Biden gets up and you know, does what all of
Speaker 1: the presidents that have come before him do at this
Speaker 1: prayer breakfast and decides to applaud, gleefully applaud Mitch McConnell
Speaker 1: as his friend and as an honorable man that stands
Speaker 1: by his word. And you know, so many of us
Speaker 1: watch that, and we said, is this satire? Like? Is
Speaker 1: this deep sarcasm? Is this a preview of an snl skit?
Speaker 1: How could you possibly have been watching Mitch McConnell over
Speaker 1: the last ten years. And the word honorable is the
Speaker 1: word that you choose to associate with his actions, with
Speaker 1: his obstructionism, with his gleeful delight in halting our democracy,
Speaker 1: with his gleeful delight in acting the Supreme Court, with
Speaker 1: folks that the American Bar Association have said are not
Speaker 1: are are not real lawyers, right and shouldn't be on
Speaker 1: the bench for life? Right? Not real lawyers, but aren't qualified?
Speaker 1: Like when the American Bar Association says, hmm, these are
Speaker 1: really important jobs, these federal circuit courts and a federal
Speaker 1: appeals courts. And this thirty something year rold who's never
Speaker 1: been inside of a court room, who maybe graduated from
Speaker 1: Trump University, probably is not the best fit for this
Speaker 1: lifetime appointment. And so given all of these things, and
Speaker 1: the president's reaction at the National Prayer Breakfast, you know,
Speaker 1: his smiles and his like belief that the Republican Party
Speaker 1: of the twentieth century somehow can be shaken out of
Speaker 1: its comma if in fact, you're just nice enough, if
Speaker 1: you're just you know, hold your arms out open enough,
Speaker 1: if you allow them to trample on you, if you
Speaker 1: allow them to disrespect you, you know enough, then maybe
Speaker 1: maybe right they will want to come to the table
Speaker 1: and work with you. That's what we're going on. We're
Speaker 1: going on a battered spouse syndrome here where you you know,
Speaker 1: where you because of so much abuse, such so much
Speaker 1: consistent abuse, that you believe that you're actually the problem,
Speaker 1: not the aggressor, that if you just do things right,
Speaker 1: if you don't raise your voice, if you just cower,
Speaker 1: if you just shrink yourself a little bit, more then
Speaker 1: maybe maybe this person will love you, right like, because
Speaker 1: that is what I see when I listen to the
Speaker 1: President of the United States and other Democrats want to
Speaker 1: talk about their friends from across the aisle, that they
Speaker 1: want to hold up legislation for its bipartisanism as opposed
Speaker 1: to really holding to the American people and showing them
Speaker 1: the truth of who this party is. It is a cult.
Speaker 1: It is a cult. And what I tweeted over the
Speaker 1: weekend that got, you know, a little bit of attention
Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump did not ruin the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: He revealed it. He revealed who the Republican Party is.
Speaker 1: He allowed them. He celebrated them in taking off their hoods,
Speaker 1: in marching in plain sight and yelling to everybody that
Speaker 1: could hear that Jews will not replace us, right, that
Speaker 1: affirmative action is bullshit, that you know, white power is
Speaker 1: where it's at. He applauded those people. So he has
Speaker 1: allowed the Republican Party to be who it is. He
Speaker 1: did not. He did not ruin it, right like, Oh,
Speaker 1: where is the Republican Party that we all used to love.
Speaker 1: Give me a fucking break. Everybody that came before Donald
Speaker 1: Trump was just a more polished version of him and
Speaker 1: the policies that they support, which isn't about equity, which
Speaker 1: isn't about justice, It is about white supremacy. You know,
Speaker 1: they are not. It is funny to me that these
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, live and let live. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a libertarian. But you want to be able to
Speaker 1: dictate the terms of everyone else's life, right. You want
Speaker 1: to be able to tell trans kids that they can't
Speaker 1: play in sports with their with their classmates. You want
Speaker 1: to tell women that they can't get an abortion. You
Speaker 1: want to tell black people that they can't vote. You
Speaker 1: want to tell young people like, oh, I'm sorry, you
Speaker 1: need a college education, so you need to strap yourself
Speaker 1: with six figures worth of debt. But we're not going
Speaker 1: to do anything to help you, right, We're just going
Speaker 1: to allow you to be another cog in the machine. So,
Speaker 1: when you think about the policies that these people uplift,
Speaker 1: when you think about the things that they have said
Speaker 1: and done over the last ten plus years, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: did not ruin this party. He allowed them to become
Speaker 1: more of who they are. And so shame on us, right,
Speaker 1: Shame on us for continuing to assume that there are
Speaker 1: hearts underneath their coldness? Right that they have shared morals
Speaker 1: and values with the rest of Americans because they do not. Right,
Speaker 1: they do not. And so it pisces me off when
Speaker 1: the president that I voted for to be a changing
Speaker 1: of the guard. Right, But again, who am I boo
Speaker 1: boo the fool to believe a man that spent forty
Speaker 1: years inside of this institution was going to be the
Speaker 1: one to shape the institution was going to be the
Speaker 1: one to change it. No, Joe Biden came in as
Speaker 1: the great stabilizer, But in my assumption, he came in
Speaker 1: to stabilize what Donald Trump had turned over on its head,
Speaker 1: but with the clear understanding that the people that he
Speaker 1: used to work alongside of don't want to fuck with him.
Speaker 1: That these fucking you know, skin folk, right, these white
Speaker 1: folks that are along with him, that they are not
Speaker 1: his kinfolk. That they want to see you, they want
Speaker 1: to see you fail. And boy, if you drop dead,
Speaker 1: they will dance upon your grave. How do you look
Speaker 1: out at a sea of Republican faces, those people that
Speaker 1: after you were lawfully certified as President of the United States,
Speaker 1: went back into a chamber that was filled with excrement
Speaker 1: and littered with trash and garbage that had been trashed
Speaker 1: by other Americans, and you look out that that sea
Speaker 1: of faces of Republican people who then decided to go
Speaker 1: back into that chamber and decertify your election, and you
Speaker 1: want to call these people your friend. Wake the fuck up.
Speaker 1: It's a disgrace the way that Democrats are moving around,
Speaker 1: slouching around, begging for attention, begging for camaraderie, Like, get
Speaker 1: over it, already, shake it off. Stop worrying about how
Speaker 1: Republicans are going to react, because you know that it's
Speaker 1: going to be bad. You know that they are going
Speaker 1: to lie, You know that they are going to cheat
Speaker 1: and steal. So if you know all of those things
Speaker 1: going into the fight, then throw every motherfucking punch that
Speaker 1: you can make them land. Make it hurt, because you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get another opportunity. So make them fear you
Speaker 1: instead of laughing at you the way that Mitch McConnell
Speaker 1: did when he has Joe Biden calling him his friend,
Speaker 1: and he looks up at him and ha ha ha,
Speaker 1: sure I'm your friend, you fucking idiot. Wake up, switching gears, folks.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this continued. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is media frenzy around Joe Rogan and the
Speaker 1: fact that Joe Rogan is a racist piece of trash.
Speaker 1: And I know that we had Michael Harriet on from
Speaker 1: The Grio a week ago talking about the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Rogan isn't a racist, He's this guy
Speaker 1: that is curious, but he gives platform to racists, right.
Speaker 1: And the reality is is that there has been a
Speaker 1: clip somebody brilliantly put together a clip of all of
Speaker 1: the times that Joe Rogan felt it within his, within
Speaker 1: his jurisdiction right to be able to walk around using
Speaker 1: the word nigger and letting it roll off of his
Speaker 1: motherfucking tongue. Right that Spotify had to remove seventy of
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan shows where he is using the N word.
Speaker 1: Seventy fucking shows and they think that that's acceptable, Right. You,
Speaker 1: ABC wants to remove Whoopie Goldberg for not knowing the
Speaker 1: nuances of race right in the early nineteen in the
Speaker 1: early twentieth century, when Nazis are reigning supreme and decided
Speaker 1: that they were going to clean the German race. She
Speaker 1: was suspended for two weeks for that for the not
Speaker 1: knowing Joe Rogan knowingly use the word nigger compared black
Speaker 1: communities to Planet of the Fucking Apes on his show,
Speaker 1: laughing and joking, and Spotify thinks that it's enough to
Speaker 1: remove seventy shows. Go fuck yourself, right Like, give me
Speaker 1: a fucking break. We have become a country that is
Speaker 1: just so comfortable with the demeaning and the degradation of
Speaker 1: Black people that you want to in during Black History Month,
Speaker 1: you think, right like, because these are the same fucking
Speaker 1: networks that want to uplift right like, go dig in
Speaker 1: the back of their closets, go hould out their latest
Speaker 1: black token and say, oh, look at us, We're not racist,
Speaker 1: and you want to lift up this month as as
Speaker 1: some type of what symbolism to black people across this country.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about the systemic racism. Don't worry about the
Speaker 1: incarcol rate. Don't worry about you know, black women going
Speaker 1: into hospital and dying while giving birth. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: any of that. Don't worry about, you know, the socioeconomic indicators.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about the fact that you're more likely to
Speaker 1: die of COVID. Don't worry about any of those things.
Speaker 1: It's Black History Month, right, and we're gonna remove seventy
Speaker 1: seventy shows. And when Joe Rogan goes off and decides
Speaker 1: to use the word fucking nigger like it is some
Speaker 1: type of what, right, sprinkle graffiti? What that you get
Speaker 1: to sprinkle on top of everything? And then you want
Speaker 1: to look me in my face and tell me that
Speaker 1: that man is not a racist. I don't know anybody,
Speaker 1: but I don't know anybody that is not black that
Speaker 1: uses the the N word like that, right, Give me
Speaker 1: a break, because you know, good god damn well that
Speaker 1: if it was any other fucking community, that that son
Speaker 1: of a bitch would have been pulled. So bravo to
Speaker 1: the Neil Youngs and the Joni Mitchell's and the dr
Speaker 1: Aris of the world that are deciding to pull their
Speaker 1: catalogs from Spotify, that are actually taking a stand because
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be little old podcasts like me that
Speaker 1: only have you know, but this much impact. No, if
Speaker 1: you want to hurt these people, right, you gotta go
Speaker 1: for the money. You gotta go for big name stars
Speaker 1: that people are following and that it's the only place
Speaker 1: that they can go. And so you gotta go after
Speaker 1: the fucking tailors, Swifts and the Drakes and the Rihannas
Speaker 1: and those people, and tell the poliar fucking catalogs. You
Speaker 1: gotta wage campaigns in that way so that anybody that
Speaker 1: is associated right can make it very clear that unless
Speaker 1: you get rid of Joe Rogan, unless you pull him right.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean pull him for two weeks, I
Speaker 1: mean pull him because before I just said, oh, I
Speaker 1: had no idea that Joe Rogan was walking around using
Speaker 1: the N word like it was no thing. When I said, oh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to be you know, pulled or suspended,
Speaker 1: but there does need to be some type of fucking
Speaker 1: warning before and after and probably in the middle of
Speaker 1: his three hour shows right, a disclaimer around COVID. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that the man was just an outright racist.
Speaker 1: So when you know more, you do better. Right, you
Speaker 1: know better, you do better. Joe Rogan wants to come
Speaker 1: out and offer some type of apology like he didn't
Speaker 1: know the fuck out of here. You know what pisses
Speaker 1: me off is just how good right right wing white
Speaker 1: people are at putting on the water works, at apologizing
Speaker 1: for shit that they know good goddamn well that they
Speaker 1: knew right was bad. They just you know, we're hoping
Speaker 1: that they would not get caught. We're hoping that they
Speaker 1: would not get any pushback or any backlash. But we
Speaker 1: know that the communities that they can degradate, right, we
Speaker 1: know the communities that you can fucking disrespect and a
Speaker 1: nobody give a shit. And black people are that community. Right. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: other things folks have said, Oh and he loves to
Speaker 1: use the word faggot as well. Right, So you are
Speaker 1: spreading misinformation during a global health pandemic purposefully, you are
Speaker 1: dropping racial epithaphs, you are dropping homophobic epithaphs, like what else?
Speaker 1: What else does Spotify overlooking for their golden boy. So
Speaker 1: if you are supporting Joe Rogan, if you are celebrating him,
Speaker 1: then know what you are celebrating, Know what you are ingesting, right,
Speaker 1: Because you cannot marry, ate and shit and come out
Speaker 1: smelling like roses. That is not how it works. So
Speaker 1: for all the people that want to say, well, I'm
Speaker 1: a Republican and I don't believe in this current iteration
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party, but I'm a Republican, then you're
Speaker 1: a racist you're a misogynist, you're an insurrectionist, right, because
Speaker 1: we're not going to part and parcel these things. Right
Speaker 1: when your parents said to you at a very young age, right,
Speaker 1: birds of a feather flock together, you lie down with dogs,
Speaker 1: you get up with fleas. This is what the fuck
Speaker 1: they were talking about. So there is no way to
Speaker 1: just casually disassociate yourself and say, oh, I'm only in
Speaker 1: it for the entertainment, or I'm only in it for this,
Speaker 1: when this is a bunch of hate speech folks. Coming
Speaker 1: up next is my conversation, as always, my Monday Morning
Speaker 1: conversation with the fabulous Glenn Cursh and we will go
Speaker 1: through all of what has been going on with the
Speaker 1: one six commission, Who is the latest person in the
Speaker 1: Donald Trump circle to plead the fifth over one hundred times,
Speaker 1: and whether or not we are getting closer right to
Speaker 1: being able to see the top level people who perpetuated
Speaker 1: the violence, who paid for the violence, who had the bullhorns,
Speaker 1: who organized these thousands of people to wage an assault
Speaker 1: on our capitol building. Not political fucking discourse, because I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of discourse you are having when
Speaker 1: you are using flagpoles to beat police officers. I don't
Speaker 1: know what kind of fucking discourse that looks like when
Speaker 1: you were defecating in the halls of our democracy. I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of fucking discourse it looks like
Speaker 1: when you have the QAnon shaman walking around with a
Speaker 1: podium that he stole. If that's your fucking discourse, then
Speaker 1: don't be coming to my table, right, don't be looking
Speaker 1: for any type of collaboration around any legislation because I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck, right, and you clearly do not.
Speaker 1: Bi Partisanism is a sham, right when the other party
Speaker 1: is a cult. It is a sham that makes people
Speaker 1: feel good that what government is working for you when
Speaker 1: you know, good goddamn while it isn't so. Glenn and
Speaker 1: I will run through the latest with Trump's legal woes
Speaker 1: and really have a conversation about how much time the
Speaker 1: Justice Department has left do you know, do its job
Speaker 1: and go after accountability and responsibility right, And let me
Speaker 1: tell you the answer that Glenn gives coming up next
Speaker 1: will surprise everyone. Folks. You know that I am always
Speaker 1: so grateful whenever we have the opportunity weekly to sit
Speaker 1: down with our friend MSNBC Legal analysts and the host
Speaker 1: of Justice Matters Glenn Kirshner, to talk about the latest
Speaker 1: in legal news surrounding the Department of Justice the Trump investigations.
Speaker 1: Because there are many, Glenn, we have yet another Trump confidante,
Speaker 1: you know, who is attached to the Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: another I want to say, Trump lawyer, even though were
Speaker 1: supposed to work for the Department of Justice. Jeffrey Clark
Speaker 1: is yet another bunch of the stooges that has pled
Speaker 1: the Fifth over a hundred times. I mean this on
Speaker 1: its face, Glenn, I'm not pleading the Fifth right, because
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to hide. If everybody we bring
Speaker 1: in to have these conversations to be questioned in Trump's
Speaker 1: orbit are pleading the Fifth, we know that there's a
Speaker 1: there there right. You're only legally entitled to plead the
Speaker 1: Fifth if your truthful testimony would incriminate you would make
Speaker 1: it seem like you committed a crime. So now let
Speaker 1: me be clear. I don't mock and deride the Fifth
Speaker 1: Amendment right against self incrimination the way Trump does, saying
Speaker 1: only mobsters, you know, invoke the Fifth because it's there
Speaker 1: for a reason, right, It's a wall between the government
Speaker 1: and the people so that the law enforcement authorities can't
Speaker 1: beat a confession out of you. So it serves a
Speaker 1: hugely important purpose. So I embrace even treasonous lawyer Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Clark's right to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination.
Speaker 1: You called him a Trump confidant. I would also add
Speaker 1: a Trump co conspirator. You know, I've assessed criminal evidence
Speaker 1: all my life, and you know what we learned about
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Clark is when Donald Trump said, I don't care
Speaker 1: if there is fraud in the election, just say there is,
Speaker 1: and in ferentially, just use the Department of Justice to
Speaker 1: weaponize what I'm trying to do. And Jeffrey Clark did it.
Speaker 1: He joined that conspiracy. He took Donald Trump up on it.
Speaker 1: He went back to the Department of Justice, and he
Speaker 1: authored letters to the battleground states saying, the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice is investigating the election fraud. No it wasn't. And
Speaker 1: by the way, state election officials, here is how you
Speaker 1: can corruptly deny Joe Biden is win. Jeffrey Clark is
Speaker 1: a co conspirator just as sure as I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1: So he has a Fifth Amendment right to invoke and
Speaker 1: he invoked it a hundred times in front of the
Speaker 1: House Select Committee. So now the question becomes where does
Speaker 1: the House Select Committee go from here? And really they
Speaker 1: can only do well three things. One, in theory, they
Speaker 1: could go into court and challenge his invocation of his
Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, just like remember they
Speaker 1: went in the court and challenge Don McGann's claim of
Speaker 1: executive privilege, and McGann ran out the clock for two
Speaker 1: years and was never compelled to testify by a court.
Speaker 1: So that's not an effective approach, one because it takes
Speaker 1: too long, and two because Congress would lose. Why would
Speaker 1: Congress lose because Jeffrey Clark has an actual right against
Speaker 1: self incrimination because he's done crime. So the only other
Speaker 1: two approaches is one they can just accept the Fifth
Speaker 1: Amendment right invocation, move on to the next witness and
Speaker 1: not deal with Jeffrey Clark again. Or two they can
Speaker 1: consider granting him immunity. Immunity is an important tool because
Speaker 1: what it does is it extinguishes a witnesses Fifth Amendment
Speaker 1: right against self incrimination. Why because once you immunize the witness,
Speaker 1: that is a guarantee that your testimony cannot be used
Speaker 1: against you. It can't possibly incriminate you because we are
Speaker 1: guaranteeing it will never be used against you in any setting.
Speaker 1: And the reason we do that for some people who
Speaker 1: have committed crimes is because we need to work our
Speaker 1: way up the criminal ladder. Because if Jeffrey Clark has
Speaker 1: stuff that is deeply damaging and incriminating about Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: who doesn't have that kind of stuff in government, but
Speaker 1: you know, then maybe you grant him immunity and Congress
Speaker 1: sort of gives him a pass, or at least says,
Speaker 1: your testimony can't be held against you. And sometimes the
Speaker 1: enemy of my enemy is my friend. So I take
Speaker 1: that path. But here is the danger. The danger one
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he still has to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Of course, if he lies to Congress, he could be
Speaker 1: charged with perjury or technically what we call a false
Speaker 1: official statement under one thousand and one the Federal Code section.
Speaker 1: But let's assume he does tell the truth and he
Speaker 1: starts incriminating Trump left and right. If the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice tries to indict Jeffrey Clark, which I hope and
Speaker 1: believe they will at some point, it makes a prosecution
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Clark. A successful prosecution of Jeffrey Clark more difficult.
Speaker 1: Why because he has been forced to tell a story
Speaker 1: that would otherwise incriminate himself. All of that information goes
Speaker 1: out into the public square, and it could seep back
Speaker 1: into the trial if the Department of Justice indicts him
Speaker 1: and tries him for his crimes. That's precisely what happened
Speaker 1: to Oliver North. He committed a bunch of crimes during
Speaker 1: the Irankantra affair. He was granted immunity and forced to
Speaker 1: testify before Congress. He was then indicted, prosecuted, and convicted
Speaker 1: of three federal felonies. But his conviction got busted. It
Speaker 1: got reversed on appeal because the appellate court said, feels
Speaker 1: like some of that immunized testimony he was forced to
Speaker 1: give seeped its way into the trial, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: a righteous conviction, and he never did go back to trial.
Speaker 1: He wasn't retried, so he ultimately got away with those
Speaker 1: crimes at the end of the day. So that's the
Speaker 1: danger of granting a guy like Jeffrey Clark immunity. Let
Speaker 1: me ask a couple of questions here for clarification. So
Speaker 1: we have Jeffrey Clark, who I'm assuming that the letters
Speaker 1: that he wrote were on Department of Justice letterhead, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that the emails that he sent were from his
Speaker 1: Department of Justice account. Is that not enough to hold
Speaker 1: over Jeffrey Clark's head and say here is one, crime
Speaker 1: number one, crime number two, crime number three, without providing
Speaker 1: these criminals with immunity and saying here's what you're facing,
Speaker 1: because on its face, here's what you're facing. Because we
Speaker 1: have the evidence. You are facing an obstruction charge, you
Speaker 1: are facing the trees in charge. You were facing this like,
Speaker 1: why do we keep Glenn using the friggin carrot with
Speaker 1: these people instead of the stick when we know we
Speaker 1: have evidence that they committed crimes. Congress can't flip witnesses.
Speaker 1: Only the Department of Justice can flip witnesses, right, Because
Speaker 1: Congress doesn't have a stick. Congress can't say, listen, we've
Speaker 1: got you dead to rights, and you're exactly right. He's
Speaker 1: committed tons of crimes by misusing the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: in all sorts of ways. So we have the evidence
Speaker 1: of crime, but Congress can't grant him immunity from prosecution.
Speaker 1: They can only immunize him and say none of these
Speaker 1: statements that you make when you testify after we've granted
Speaker 1: you immunity can be used against you if the OJ
Speaker 1: decides to prosecute you. But the Department of Justice is
Speaker 1: the only one who can actually flip somebody and say,
Speaker 1: we're either going to charge you with these ten crimes
Speaker 1: that you've obviously committed obviously, and you're going to go
Speaker 1: to trial, or you can flip. Maybe we'll let you
Speaker 1: plead to one or two. Maybe we'll give you a
Speaker 1: reduced sentence at the end of the day, or maybe
Speaker 1: we'll grant you immunity altogether. If we don't feel it's
Speaker 1: important enough to hold you accountable. That wouldn't be my approach.
Speaker 1: Because anytime you have a high DOJ official trying to
Speaker 1: overthrow our democracy, like Jeffrey Clark did, he has to
Speaker 1: be held accountable criminally, he has to be But only
Speaker 1: DJ can flip him and make him a cooperating witness
Speaker 1: and deal with his criminal exposure. The Congress can't do that. Glenn,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this too, because all right, if
Speaker 1: he has information, is it is it within the purview
Speaker 1: of Congress to say, you know what or the Department.
Speaker 1: Let me go to the Department of Justice, because Congress,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, doesn't have a stick here. So if
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice decided that they were going to
Speaker 1: begin an investigation into Jeffrey Clark, couldn't they say that,
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you know before we're going
Speaker 1: to be granting you immunity. I want to know if
Speaker 1: it's solid enough or before, like, is that the process
Speaker 1: before you say to something, Yeah, before you say to somebody, hey,
Speaker 1: here's immunity. I need to know what cards you're holding
Speaker 1: and how those cards are going to actually hold up.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't blind As prosecutors, we would never blindly grant
Speaker 1: someone immunity without knowing what information that person could provide.
Speaker 1: Those are called debriefing sessions. We give people a basically,
Speaker 1: we call it a queen for a day letter. It's
Speaker 1: a debriefing agreement that says you have a free pass,
Speaker 1: you have free reign to sit down with us, tell
Speaker 1: us everything you know, and none of that can never
Speaker 1: be used against you. We're going to give you this
Speaker 1: temporary immunity for a day, so then we can determine
Speaker 1: if you're telling us the truth. If you've got the goods.
Speaker 1: Because once we have those preliminary debriefing sessions, Danielle, the
Speaker 1: next thing we do is we go out and we
Speaker 1: investigate it like all get out, to see if what
Speaker 1: the cooperating witness or the aspiring cooperating witness, what he's
Speaker 1: telling us is truthful or is a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 1: I've had so many aspiring cooperators come in, sit down,
Speaker 1: debriefing and give me a whole bunch of nonsense, false information.
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of person I would never do
Speaker 1: business with. I'm not going to offer him a plea
Speaker 1: and cooperation deal. I'm not going to try to flip
Speaker 1: him because he is not a reliable, trustworthy, truthful witness.
Speaker 1: So yes, we do have these preliminary debriefing sessions. We
Speaker 1: give them temporary immunity queen for a day letter, and
Speaker 1: then we assess what they have, and then we decide, Okay,
Speaker 1: is it in the interests of the American people to
Speaker 1: give this guy a plea in cooperation deal. We have
Speaker 1: been on the hunt now for the big fish, for
Speaker 1: one of them. Right the committee, the Congressional Committee, has
Speaker 1: been playing around with the little fish. They have done
Speaker 1: over four hundred interviews on the Department of Justice has
Speaker 1: been playing with the little fish. They have locked up
Speaker 1: a couple of folks. Is Jeffrey Clark. Let me continue
Speaker 1: with our hook into the big into the big fish.
Speaker 1: Is he who Glenn we've been waiting for. I don't
Speaker 1: even think we need him, Danielle. One of the decisions
Speaker 1: you make when you're assessing a guy like Jeffrey Clark
Speaker 1: and deciding do I want to do business with him
Speaker 1: as a cooperator or do I just want to prosecute
Speaker 1: him as part of the conspiracy to or throw our government,
Speaker 1: is do we need his testimony or do we simply
Speaker 1: want his testimony. So, for example, if there were meetings
Speaker 1: in the Oval office where Jeffrey Clark and Donald Trump
Speaker 1: were talking, and that's when Donald Trump was enlisting his
Speaker 1: co conspirators, and Jeffrey Clark said, I'm your man. If
Speaker 1: there's another witness to that, we don't need Jeffrey Clark.
Speaker 1: We use the other witness, and we indict Jeffrey Clark. Right,
Speaker 1: you only bring a cooperator on board if you need
Speaker 1: the cooperator, not just if you want the cooperator to
Speaker 1: build a perfect case. But let me hasten to add
Speaker 1: I was on joy read on the read out with
Speaker 1: the Senator Claire McCaskill, and we discussed this. The federal
Speaker 1: government is notorious for trying to investigate things exhaustively and
Speaker 1: too perfection before they will ever deign to bring and
Speaker 1: bring a charge. There's a reason some federal prosecutors run
Speaker 1: around boasting about how they never lost the case. It's
Speaker 1: because they never brought a difficult case. They investigate it
Speaker 1: to perfection forever, sometimes putting public safety at risk. And
Speaker 1: if it's strong enough, what do they do. They wrap
Speaker 1: it all up with a pre indictment guilty plea and
Speaker 1: there's never a trial. If they don't think it's the
Speaker 1: perfect case, what do they do? They don't ask the
Speaker 1: grand jury to indict it. That's how they have one
Speaker 1: hundred percent win record. They don't have one hundred percent
Speaker 1: win record, and not all federal prosecutors operate that way.
Speaker 1: I didn't. But here's the thing that is DJ's standard
Speaker 1: operating procedure. This is not a standard criminal case, and
Speaker 1: they are badly miscalculating because society is at risk and
Speaker 1: democracy hangs in the balance, So you can't you can't
Speaker 1: investigate this thing to perfection. You start to arrest the
Speaker 1: people for whom you have probable cause, you indict them,
Speaker 1: you flip them, then you do a suit preceding indictment
Speaker 1: based on the information they've provided. Then you flip that person,
Speaker 1: then you do a superseding indictment. This is law enforcement
Speaker 1: one O one. Right, DJ is not doing it. I
Speaker 1: understand they're trying to build the perfect beast a case
Speaker 1: that is unlosable. There is no case that is unlosable,
Speaker 1: and democracy is suffering in the meantime, so DJ needs
Speaker 1: to move out. So, Glenn, how faithful are you these days?
Speaker 1: Real question? How faithful are you that the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice is going to provide justice to the American people,
Speaker 1: whether or not this is going to be a slam dunk.
Speaker 1: Like nothing in life is guaranteed, right, Like there is
Speaker 1: no one hundred percent there is no slam dunk. So
Speaker 1: why you would go why you would even go in
Speaker 1: to the potential trial of Donald Trump and company with
Speaker 1: that attitude, I don't know. Rather than saying it is
Speaker 1: this perception that the American people need to see in
Speaker 1: order to restore their faith, and that is even more important, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I want a conviction. You want a conviction.
Speaker 1: But to me, even going after a conviction would help
Speaker 1: to restore the faith that has been eroded over the
Speaker 1: last four years. So how faithful are you in this
Speaker 1: moment that we're going to get there? Well, let me
Speaker 1: back my way into an answer to that question, because
Speaker 1: I am entirely confident that if the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: fails to prosecute Trump and company, there will be a
Speaker 1: second coup attempt, and it will likely be successful. I
Speaker 1: am entirely confident if DJ fails to prosecute Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: when Donald Trump runs for reelection in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland and the Department of Justice will be his
Speaker 1: shadow running mate. And I've said this before. He might
Speaker 1: as well drag a cardboard cutout up on the stage
Speaker 1: when he's giving his campaign hate rallies, a cardboard cutout
Speaker 1: of Merrick Garland, drape his arm around him and say,
Speaker 1: that's my man. He has vouched for me, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: he has. The Department of Justice and Merrick Garland have
Speaker 1: promised you that over the four years of my prior presidency,
Speaker 1: I committed no crime. I did nothing wrong. Why did
Speaker 1: they vouch for how did they vouch for me? Me?
Speaker 1: And you know, if I committed a crime, they would
Speaker 1: have been I am absolutely confident if we don't indict him,
Speaker 1: we're done as a republic period now. To answer your question,
Speaker 1: I still because the OJ was my professional home for
Speaker 1: so long, and because I know so many of the
Speaker 1: good people who are there, who many of whom are
Speaker 1: frustrated on the inside. I can't conceive of a Department
Speaker 1: of Justice that does that, that just gives Trump and
Speaker 1: all of his co conspirators of past. I can't conceive
Speaker 1: of that. So I still have faith that they will
Speaker 1: get there. They will get there. They'll take too long,
Speaker 1: they will be too timid, ultimately potentially in their charging decisions,
Speaker 1: because they may forego inditing some members of Congress who
Speaker 1: have criminal exposure because they don't want to be perceived
Speaker 1: as too political or reaching too far, you know. But
Speaker 1: but I believe they will get there, because I can't
Speaker 1: conceive of living in a country where we give Trump
Speaker 1: and his co conspirators a pass. Tell me, Glenn, what
Speaker 1: is too late at this point? Right? I honestly I
Speaker 1: want to know, and I know that that seems like,
Speaker 1: you know, a trick question. But you know, we are
Speaker 1: a handful of months away from midterm elections, right, like
Speaker 1: we are two years right or a year and a
Speaker 1: half away from the president. What is too late? I
Speaker 1: would say the midterms are too late, particularly if the
Speaker 1: Republicans take the House, because then they can't directly impact
Speaker 1: the charging decisions of the Department of Justice because it's
Speaker 1: still a democratic administration and Department of Justice headed up
Speaker 1: by an appointee who was appointed by a Democrat president.
Speaker 1: But what they can do is they can throw so
Speaker 1: much sand into the works by issuing frivolous subpoenas, by
Speaker 1: holding bogus oversight hearings, and trying to defund. You want
Speaker 1: to talk about defund the police, They're going to defund
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, right, or at least try to.
Speaker 1: They will use Congress's inherent power of contempt, as new
Speaker 1: Gang Ridge promised to lock up members of the January
Speaker 1: sixth Committee. I guess both the Democrats and the Republicans,
Speaker 1: so they will make they will make the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice's work nearly impossible. So I think too late is
Speaker 1: if the mid terms hit, and certainly if the Republicans
Speaker 1: take control of the House. That's probably too late for
Speaker 1: our democracy. Wow, Glenn, So we have a countdown clock,
Speaker 1: I mean all another one in all honesty, because I
Speaker 1: think that you, you know, are a one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: First of all, we continue to talk as if the
Speaker 1: first coup didn't it wasn't successful, and I believe that
Speaker 1: it was. I believe that it was to send a warning, right,
Speaker 1: But there has been no really leveled accountability that we
Speaker 1: have seen. And all these people have to do is
Speaker 1: just protect themselves right the next time the next time around,
Speaker 1: um and ensure that you know the ways that people
Speaker 1: are looking at the conversations that they're having. Just cover
Speaker 1: your tracks more because you did this out and the open.
Speaker 1: Imagine if they had covered their attracts just a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: And so for me, it's I don't think that again
Speaker 1: people realize how consequential the next couple of months are
Speaker 1: not only for this administration, but for our democracy and
Speaker 1: our faith and institution because I see it crumbling before
Speaker 1: our eyes. And I know that the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: is supposed to be this separate, non political entity, but
Speaker 1: that was disrupted four or five years ago. So you know,
Speaker 1: last question for you you know today is if we
Speaker 1: were to have some force, I mean, if we were
Speaker 1: to like, what would be the next step. If folks
Speaker 1: realize that the alarm bells are going off, we have
Speaker 1: eight months left, what would be the next step to
Speaker 1: take the next step has the only next step is
Speaker 1: for the Department of Justice to start indicting the high
Speaker 1: government officials that we know committed crimes. We have so
Speaker 1: much evidence beyond probable cause, which is the standard to
Speaker 1: arrest and indict someone. And yet these high government officials
Speaker 1: are prancing around the footloose and fancy free. They are,
Speaker 1: you know, they're raising money. And we learned about Trump
Speaker 1: giving a million dollars to Meadows Pack, which feels like
Speaker 1: a bribe. Hey, just keep quiet. We have Donald Trump
Speaker 1: holding his hate rallies, dangling pardons, basically recruiting his next
Speaker 1: foot soldiers for the Second Insurrection. So the only next
Speaker 1: step to disrupt what's going on and to change the
Speaker 1: narrative is to indict the government officials and others, right
Speaker 1: the Bannons. I still believe Bannon will be indicted for
Speaker 1: the seditious conspiracy, not just for contempt of Congress, but
Speaker 1: indict the middle level and then the upper echelon and
Speaker 1: the command structure of the insurrection. Not to change the narrative.
Speaker 1: You indict them because you have enough evidence to indict them,
Speaker 1: but it will have the fringe benefit of changing the narrative,
Speaker 1: because what I can almost guarantee, Danielle is once the
Speaker 1: bigger fish start getting indicted for, among other things, spouting
Speaker 1: off the big lie and then acting in furtherance of
Speaker 1: the big lie, the other idiots are going to shut up.
Speaker 1: They're gonna shut up because all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: will hit home to them, Oh my god, they are consequences,
Speaker 1: and then they'll all start to shut down. It will
Speaker 1: change the narrative in a way that at least will
Speaker 1: give our democracy some hope of beginning to recover and
Speaker 1: repair and rebuild. But if we don't do it, we're done.
Speaker 1: It is that stark, and that's simple. This is where
Speaker 1: we are. This is where we are. We have a
Speaker 1: handful of months left. Glenn, as always, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking the time to join woke a f
Speaker 1: and breakdown, essentially our breakdown. I will say thown, Bawn
Speaker 1: appreciate you. That is it for me today, dear friends
Speaker 1: on woke A f I wish for you all a
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Speaker 1: as fuck.