1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. So, folks, 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: happy Monday to you. I hope that you had a 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: RESTful weekend and we're able to participate in some joy 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: and some sunshine, even if you're on the East Coast 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: and it was called af this weekend. I want to 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: start off by talking about the disgrace that is the 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: Republican Party. You know, Um, I do my best, as 9 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: I tell all of you each and every week, to 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: not watch the news over the weekend because I realize 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: for myself and then I don't know about all of you, 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: but I can ingest just as much from reading, um 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: multiple newspaper vers just as much from being on social 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: media than I can from actually sitting down and ingesting 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: just the same stories over and over again. And when 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: I came across the fact that the Republican Party voted 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: to censure both Adam Kissinger and and you know continue 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: on with their fight against Liz Cheney and deciding to 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: vote that January sixth, twenty twenty one was normal political discourse. 20 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: I wanted that that vote, that vote on gaslighting, essentially, 21 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: to continue to gaslight the nation and tell us that 22 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: what it was that we saw, what it was that 23 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: we have experienced through playbacks, through the testimony of Capitol 24 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: Police and DC Metropolitan Police, through the four hundred some 25 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: odd people that have given testimony to the one six Commission, 26 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: that we're all crazy, essentially, is what the Republican Party 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: decided to vote on. That don't believe your eyes, don't 28 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: believe your own ears, don't believe anything other than the 29 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: bullshit that we are willingly shoveling onto the American project, 30 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: onto the project of democracy, and that you choose to 31 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: censure the two Republicans who have enough goddamn sense to 32 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: recognize that this country is in a free fall and 33 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: that the oath that they took to uphold the Constitution 34 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: to write the rule of law doesn't mean anything so 35 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: long as you're stepping outside of the Republican cult boundaries, 36 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: and that you would rather censure people like the two 37 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Republicans that are sitting on the one Sex Commission, then 38 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Laura Boubert's and the 39 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 1: Matt Gateses, and so on and so forth, and so 40 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: It brings me back to the end of the week 41 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: when I went off on a thirst day on Instagram 42 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: live being really pissed off at Joe Biden for his 43 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: comments at the breakfast. And let me remind you, Joe 44 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Biden gets up and you know, does what all of 45 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: the presidents that have come before him do at this 46 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: prayer breakfast and decides to applaud, gleefully applaud Mitch McConnell 47 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: as his friend and as an honorable man that stands 48 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: by his word. And you know, so many of us 49 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: watch that, and we said, is this satire? Like? Is 50 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: this deep sarcasm? Is this a preview of an snl skit? 51 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: How could you possibly have been watching Mitch McConnell over 52 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the last ten years. And the word honorable is the 53 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: word that you choose to associate with his actions, with 54 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: his obstructionism, with his gleeful delight in halting our democracy, 55 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: with his gleeful delight in acting the Supreme Court, with 56 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: folks that the American Bar Association have said are not 57 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: are are not real lawyers, right and shouldn't be on 58 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: the bench for life? Right? Not real lawyers, but aren't qualified? 59 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: Like when the American Bar Association says, hmm, these are 60 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: really important jobs, these federal circuit courts and a federal 61 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: appeals courts. And this thirty something year rold who's never 62 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: been inside of a court room, who maybe graduated from 63 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: Trump University, probably is not the best fit for this 64 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:39,119 Speaker 1: lifetime appointment. And so given all of these things, and 65 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: the president's reaction at the National Prayer Breakfast, you know, 66 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: his smiles and his like belief that the Republican Party 67 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: of the twentieth century somehow can be shaken out of 68 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: its comma if in fact, you're just nice enough, if 69 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: you're just you know, hold your arms out open enough, 70 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: if you allow them to trample on you, if you 71 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: allow them to disrespect you, you know enough, then maybe 72 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 1: maybe right they will want to come to the table 73 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: and work with you. That's what we're going on. We're 74 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: going on a battered spouse syndrome here where you you know, 75 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: where you because of so much abuse, such so much 76 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: consistent abuse, that you believe that you're actually the problem, 77 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: not the aggressor, that if you just do things right, 78 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: if you don't raise your voice, if you just cower, 79 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: if you just shrink yourself a little bit, more then 80 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: maybe maybe this person will love you, right like, because 81 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: that is what I see when I listen to the 82 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: President of the United States and other Democrats want to 83 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: talk about their friends from across the aisle, that they 84 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: want to hold up legislation for its bipartisanism as opposed 85 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: to really holding to the American people and showing them 86 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: the truth of who this party is. It is a cult. 87 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: It is a cult. And what I tweeted over the 88 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: weekend that got, you know, a little bit of attention 89 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump did not ruin the Republican Party. 90 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: He revealed it. He revealed who the Republican Party is. 91 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: He allowed them. He celebrated them in taking off their hoods, 92 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: in marching in plain sight and yelling to everybody that 93 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: could hear that Jews will not replace us, right, that 94 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: affirmative action is bullshit, that you know, white power is 95 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: where it's at. He applauded those people. So he has 96 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: allowed the Republican Party to be who it is. He 97 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: did not. He did not ruin it, right like, Oh, 98 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: where is the Republican Party that we all used to love. 99 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 1: Give me a fucking break. Everybody that came before Donald 100 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Trump was just a more polished version of him and 101 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: the policies that they support, which isn't about equity, which 102 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: isn't about justice, It is about white supremacy. You know, 103 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: they are not. It is funny to me that these 104 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, live and let live. Oh, 105 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm a libertarian. But you want to be able to 106 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: dictate the terms of everyone else's life, right. You want 107 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: to be able to tell trans kids that they can't 108 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: play in sports with their with their classmates. You want 109 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: to tell women that they can't get an abortion. You 110 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: want to tell black people that they can't vote. You 111 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: want to tell young people like, oh, I'm sorry, you 112 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: need a college education, so you need to strap yourself 113 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: with six figures worth of debt. But we're not going 114 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: to do anything to help you, right, We're just going 115 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: to allow you to be another cog in the machine. So, 116 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: when you think about the policies that these people uplift, 117 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: when you think about the things that they have said 118 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: and done over the last ten plus years, Donald Trump 119 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: did not ruin this party. He allowed them to become 120 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: more of who they are. And so shame on us, right, 121 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: Shame on us for continuing to assume that there are 122 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: hearts underneath their coldness? Right that they have shared morals 123 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: and values with the rest of Americans because they do not. Right, 124 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: they do not. And so it pisces me off when 125 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: the president that I voted for to be a changing 126 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: of the guard. Right, But again, who am I boo 127 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: boo the fool to believe a man that spent forty 128 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: years inside of this institution was going to be the 129 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: one to shape the institution was going to be the 130 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: one to change it. No, Joe Biden came in as 131 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: the great stabilizer, But in my assumption, he came in 132 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: to stabilize what Donald Trump had turned over on its head, 133 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: but with the clear understanding that the people that he 134 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: used to work alongside of don't want to fuck with him. 135 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: That these fucking you know, skin folk, right, these white 136 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: folks that are along with him, that they are not 137 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: his kinfolk. That they want to see you, they want 138 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: to see you fail. And boy, if you drop dead, 139 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: they will dance upon your grave. How do you look 140 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: out at a sea of Republican faces, those people that 141 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: after you were lawfully certified as President of the United States, 142 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: went back into a chamber that was filled with excrement 143 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: and littered with trash and garbage that had been trashed 144 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: by other Americans, and you look out that that sea 145 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: of faces of Republican people who then decided to go 146 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: back into that chamber and decertify your election, and you 147 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: want to call these people your friend. Wake the fuck up. 148 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: It's a disgrace the way that Democrats are moving around, 149 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: slouching around, begging for attention, begging for camaraderie, Like, get 150 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: over it, already, shake it off. Stop worrying about how 151 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: Republicans are going to react, because you know that it's 152 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: going to be bad. You know that they are going 153 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: to lie, You know that they are going to cheat 154 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: and steal. So if you know all of those things 155 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: going into the fight, then throw every motherfucking punch that 156 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: you can make them land. Make it hurt, because you're 157 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: not gonna get another opportunity. So make them fear you 158 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: instead of laughing at you the way that Mitch McConnell 159 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: did when he has Joe Biden calling him his friend, 160 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: and he looks up at him and ha ha ha, 161 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: sure I'm your friend, you fucking idiot. Wake up, switching gears, folks. 162 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this continued. I don't know 163 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: what it is media frenzy around Joe Rogan and the 164 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: fact that Joe Rogan is a racist piece of trash. 165 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: And I know that we had Michael Harriet on from 166 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: The Grio a week ago talking about the fact that, 167 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Rogan isn't a racist, He's this guy 168 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: that is curious, but he gives platform to racists, right. 169 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: And the reality is is that there has been a 170 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: clip somebody brilliantly put together a clip of all of 171 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: the times that Joe Rogan felt it within his, within 172 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: his jurisdiction right to be able to walk around using 173 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: the word nigger and letting it roll off of his 174 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: motherfucking tongue. Right that Spotify had to remove seventy of 175 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan shows where he is using the N word. 176 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: Seventy fucking shows and they think that that's acceptable, Right. You, 177 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: ABC wants to remove Whoopie Goldberg for not knowing the 178 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: nuances of race right in the early nineteen in the 179 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: early twentieth century, when Nazis are reigning supreme and decided 180 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: that they were going to clean the German race. She 181 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: was suspended for two weeks for that for the not 182 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: knowing Joe Rogan knowingly use the word nigger compared black 183 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: communities to Planet of the Fucking Apes on his show, 184 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: laughing and joking, and Spotify thinks that it's enough to 185 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: remove seventy shows. Go fuck yourself, right Like, give me 186 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: a fucking break. We have become a country that is 187 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: just so comfortable with the demeaning and the degradation of 188 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: Black people that you want to in during Black History Month, 189 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: you think, right like, because these are the same fucking 190 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: networks that want to uplift right like, go dig in 191 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: the back of their closets, go hould out their latest 192 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: black token and say, oh, look at us, We're not racist, 193 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: and you want to lift up this month as as 194 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: some type of what symbolism to black people across this country. 195 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: Don't worry about the systemic racism. Don't worry about the 196 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: incarcol rate. Don't worry about you know, black women going 197 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: into hospital and dying while giving birth. Don't worry about 198 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: any of that. Don't worry about, you know, the socioeconomic indicators. 199 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Don't worry about the fact that you're more likely to 200 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: die of COVID. Don't worry about any of those things. 201 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: It's Black History Month, right, and we're gonna remove seventy 202 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: seventy shows. And when Joe Rogan goes off and decides 203 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: to use the word fucking nigger like it is some 204 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: type of what, right, sprinkle graffiti? What that you get 205 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: to sprinkle on top of everything? And then you want 206 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: to look me in my face and tell me that 207 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: that man is not a racist. I don't know anybody, 208 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: but I don't know anybody that is not black that 209 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: uses the the N word like that, right, Give me 210 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: a break, because you know, good god damn well that 211 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: if it was any other fucking community, that that son 212 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: of a bitch would have been pulled. So bravo to 213 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: the Neil Youngs and the Joni Mitchell's and the dr 214 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: Aris of the world that are deciding to pull their 215 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: catalogs from Spotify, that are actually taking a stand because 216 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be little old podcasts like me that 217 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: only have you know, but this much impact. No, if 218 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: you want to hurt these people, right, you gotta go 219 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: for the money. You gotta go for big name stars 220 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: that people are following and that it's the only place 221 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: that they can go. And so you gotta go after 222 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: the fucking tailors, Swifts and the Drakes and the Rihannas 223 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: and those people, and tell the poliar fucking catalogs. You 224 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: gotta wage campaigns in that way so that anybody that 225 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: is associated right can make it very clear that unless 226 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: you get rid of Joe Rogan, unless you pull him right. 227 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: And I don't mean pull him for two weeks, I 228 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: mean pull him because before I just said, oh, I 229 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: had no idea that Joe Rogan was walking around using 230 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: the N word like it was no thing. When I said, oh, 231 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't need to be you know, pulled or suspended, 232 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: but there does need to be some type of fucking 233 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: warning before and after and probably in the middle of 234 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: his three hour shows right, a disclaimer around COVID. I 235 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: didn't realize that the man was just an outright racist. 236 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: So when you know more, you do better. Right, you 237 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: know better, you do better. Joe Rogan wants to come 238 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: out and offer some type of apology like he didn't 239 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: know the fuck out of here. You know what pisses 240 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: me off is just how good right right wing white 241 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: people are at putting on the water works, at apologizing 242 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: for shit that they know good goddamn well that they 243 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: knew right was bad. They just you know, we're hoping 244 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: that they would not get caught. We're hoping that they 245 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: would not get any pushback or any backlash. But we 246 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: know that the communities that they can degradate, right, we 247 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: know the communities that you can fucking disrespect and a 248 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: nobody give a shit. And black people are that community. Right. Meanwhile, 249 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: other things folks have said, Oh and he loves to 250 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: use the word faggot as well. Right, So you are 251 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: spreading misinformation during a global health pandemic purposefully, you are 252 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: dropping racial epithaphs, you are dropping homophobic epithaphs, like what else? 253 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: What else does Spotify overlooking for their golden boy. So 254 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: if you are supporting Joe Rogan, if you are celebrating him, 255 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: then know what you are celebrating, Know what you are ingesting, right, 256 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: Because you cannot marry, ate and shit and come out 257 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: smelling like roses. That is not how it works. So 258 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: for all the people that want to say, well, I'm 259 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: a Republican and I don't believe in this current iteration 260 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party, but I'm a Republican, then you're 261 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: a racist you're a misogynist, you're an insurrectionist, right, because 262 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to part and parcel these things. Right 263 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: when your parents said to you at a very young age, right, 264 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: birds of a feather flock together, you lie down with dogs, 265 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: you get up with fleas. This is what the fuck 266 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: they were talking about. So there is no way to 267 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: just casually disassociate yourself and say, oh, I'm only in 268 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: it for the entertainment, or I'm only in it for this, 269 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: when this is a bunch of hate speech folks. Coming 270 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: up next is my conversation, as always, my Monday Morning 271 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: conversation with the fabulous Glenn Cursh and we will go 272 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: through all of what has been going on with the 273 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: one six commission, Who is the latest person in the 274 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump circle to plead the fifth over one hundred times, 275 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: and whether or not we are getting closer right to 276 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: being able to see the top level people who perpetuated 277 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: the violence, who paid for the violence, who had the bullhorns, 278 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: who organized these thousands of people to wage an assault 279 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: on our capitol building. Not political fucking discourse, because I 280 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: don't know what kind of discourse you are having when 281 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: you are using flagpoles to beat police officers. I don't 282 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: know what kind of fucking discourse that looks like when 283 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: you were defecating in the halls of our democracy. I 284 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: don't know what kind of fucking discourse it looks like 285 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: when you have the QAnon shaman walking around with a 286 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: podium that he stole. If that's your fucking discourse, then 287 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: don't be coming to my table, right, don't be looking 288 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: for any type of collaboration around any legislation because I 289 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck, right, and you clearly do not. 290 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: Bi Partisanism is a sham, right when the other party 291 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: is a cult. It is a sham that makes people 292 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: feel good that what government is working for you when 293 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, good goddamn while it isn't so. Glenn and 294 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: I will run through the latest with Trump's legal woes 295 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: and really have a conversation about how much time the 296 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: Justice Department has left do you know, do its job 297 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: and go after accountability and responsibility right, And let me 298 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: tell you the answer that Glenn gives coming up next 299 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: will surprise everyone. Folks. You know that I am always 300 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: so grateful whenever we have the opportunity weekly to sit 301 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: down with our friend MSNBC Legal analysts and the host 302 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: of Justice Matters Glenn Kirshner, to talk about the latest 303 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: in legal news surrounding the Department of Justice the Trump investigations. 304 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: Because there are many, Glenn, we have yet another Trump confidante, 305 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, who is attached to the Department of Justice, 306 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: another I want to say, Trump lawyer, even though were 307 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: supposed to work for the Department of Justice. Jeffrey Clark 308 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: is yet another bunch of the stooges that has pled 309 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: the Fifth over a hundred times. I mean this on 310 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: its face, Glenn, I'm not pleading the Fifth right, because 311 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: I don't have anything to hide. If everybody we bring 312 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: in to have these conversations to be questioned in Trump's 313 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: orbit are pleading the Fifth, we know that there's a 314 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: there there right. You're only legally entitled to plead the 315 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: Fifth if your truthful testimony would incriminate you would make 316 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: it seem like you committed a crime. So now let 317 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: me be clear. I don't mock and deride the Fifth 318 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: Amendment right against self incrimination the way Trump does, saying 319 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: only mobsters, you know, invoke the Fifth because it's there 320 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: for a reason, right, It's a wall between the government 321 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: and the people so that the law enforcement authorities can't 322 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: beat a confession out of you. So it serves a 323 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: hugely important purpose. So I embrace even treasonous lawyer Jeffrey 324 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: Clark's right to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. 325 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: You called him a Trump confidant. I would also add 326 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: a Trump co conspirator. You know, I've assessed criminal evidence 327 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: all my life, and you know what we learned about 328 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Clark is when Donald Trump said, I don't care 329 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: if there is fraud in the election, just say there is, 330 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: and in ferentially, just use the Department of Justice to 331 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: weaponize what I'm trying to do. And Jeffrey Clark did it. 332 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: He joined that conspiracy. He took Donald Trump up on it. 333 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: He went back to the Department of Justice, and he 334 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: authored letters to the battleground states saying, the Department of 335 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: Justice is investigating the election fraud. No it wasn't. And 336 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: by the way, state election officials, here is how you 337 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: can corruptly deny Joe Biden is win. Jeffrey Clark is 338 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: a co conspirator just as sure as I'm sitting here. 339 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: So he has a Fifth Amendment right to invoke and 340 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: he invoked it a hundred times in front of the 341 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: House Select Committee. So now the question becomes where does 342 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: the House Select Committee go from here? And really they 343 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: can only do well three things. One, in theory, they 344 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: could go into court and challenge his invocation of his 345 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, just like remember they 346 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: went in the court and challenge Don McGann's claim of 347 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: executive privilege, and McGann ran out the clock for two 348 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: years and was never compelled to testify by a court. 349 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: So that's not an effective approach, one because it takes 350 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: too long, and two because Congress would lose. Why would 351 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: Congress lose because Jeffrey Clark has an actual right against 352 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: self incrimination because he's done crime. So the only other 353 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: two approaches is one they can just accept the Fifth 354 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Amendment right invocation, move on to the next witness and 355 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: not deal with Jeffrey Clark again. Or two they can 356 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: consider granting him immunity. Immunity is an important tool because 357 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: what it does is it extinguishes a witnesses Fifth Amendment 358 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: right against self incrimination. Why because once you immunize the witness, 359 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: that is a guarantee that your testimony cannot be used 360 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: against you. It can't possibly incriminate you because we are 361 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: guaranteeing it will never be used against you in any setting. 362 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: And the reason we do that for some people who 363 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: have committed crimes is because we need to work our 364 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: way up the criminal ladder. Because if Jeffrey Clark has 365 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: stuff that is deeply damaging and incriminating about Donald Trump, 366 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: who doesn't have that kind of stuff in government, but 367 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, then maybe you grant him immunity and Congress 368 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: sort of gives him a pass, or at least says, 369 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: your testimony can't be held against you. And sometimes the 370 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: enemy of my enemy is my friend. So I take 371 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: that path. But here is the danger. The danger one 372 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he still has to tell the truth. 373 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: Of course, if he lies to Congress, he could be 374 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: charged with perjury or technically what we call a false 375 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: official statement under one thousand and one the Federal Code section. 376 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: But let's assume he does tell the truth and he 377 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: starts incriminating Trump left and right. If the Department of 378 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: Justice tries to indict Jeffrey Clark, which I hope and 379 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: believe they will at some point, it makes a prosecution 380 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Clark. A successful prosecution of Jeffrey Clark more difficult. 381 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: Why because he has been forced to tell a story 382 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: that would otherwise incriminate himself. All of that information goes 383 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: out into the public square, and it could seep back 384 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: into the trial if the Department of Justice indicts him 385 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: and tries him for his crimes. That's precisely what happened 386 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: to Oliver North. He committed a bunch of crimes during 387 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: the Irankantra affair. He was granted immunity and forced to 388 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: testify before Congress. He was then indicted, prosecuted, and convicted 389 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: of three federal felonies. But his conviction got busted. It 390 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: got reversed on appeal because the appellate court said, feels 391 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: like some of that immunized testimony he was forced to 392 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: give seeped its way into the trial, so it wasn't 393 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: a righteous conviction, and he never did go back to trial. 394 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: He wasn't retried, so he ultimately got away with those 395 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: crimes at the end of the day. So that's the 396 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: danger of granting a guy like Jeffrey Clark immunity. Let 397 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: me ask a couple of questions here for clarification. So 398 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 1: we have Jeffrey Clark, who I'm assuming that the letters 399 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: that he wrote were on Department of Justice letterhead, I'm 400 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: assuming that the emails that he sent were from his 401 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: Department of Justice account. Is that not enough to hold 402 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: over Jeffrey Clark's head and say here is one, crime 403 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: number one, crime number two, crime number three, without providing 404 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: these criminals with immunity and saying here's what you're facing, 405 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: because on its face, here's what you're facing. Because we 406 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: have the evidence. You are facing an obstruction charge, you 407 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: are facing the trees in charge. You were facing this like, 408 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: why do we keep Glenn using the friggin carrot with 409 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: these people instead of the stick when we know we 410 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: have evidence that they committed crimes. Congress can't flip witnesses. 411 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: Only the Department of Justice can flip witnesses, right, Because 412 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: Congress doesn't have a stick. Congress can't say, listen, we've 413 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: got you dead to rights, and you're exactly right. He's 414 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: committed tons of crimes by misusing the Department of Justice 415 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: in all sorts of ways. So we have the evidence 416 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: of crime, but Congress can't grant him immunity from prosecution. 417 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: They can only immunize him and say none of these 418 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: statements that you make when you testify after we've granted 419 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: you immunity can be used against you if the OJ 420 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: decides to prosecute you. But the Department of Justice is 421 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: the only one who can actually flip somebody and say, 422 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: we're either going to charge you with these ten crimes 423 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: that you've obviously committed obviously, and you're going to go 424 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: to trial, or you can flip. Maybe we'll let you 425 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: plead to one or two. Maybe we'll give you a 426 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: reduced sentence at the end of the day, or maybe 427 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: we'll grant you immunity altogether. If we don't feel it's 428 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: important enough to hold you accountable. That wouldn't be my approach. 429 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: Because anytime you have a high DOJ official trying to 430 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: overthrow our democracy, like Jeffrey Clark did, he has to 431 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: be held accountable criminally, he has to be But only 432 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: DJ can flip him and make him a cooperating witness 433 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: and deal with his criminal exposure. The Congress can't do that. Glenn, 434 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: let me ask you this too, because all right, if 435 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: he has information, is it is it within the purview 436 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: of Congress to say, you know what or the Department. 437 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: Let me go to the Department of Justice, because Congress, 438 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: like you're saying, doesn't have a stick here. So if 439 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice decided that they were going to 440 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: begin an investigation into Jeffrey Clark, couldn't they say that, 441 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: I want to hear what you know before we're going 442 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: to be granting you immunity. I want to know if 443 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: it's solid enough or before, like, is that the process 444 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: before you say to something, Yeah, before you say to somebody, hey, 445 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: here's immunity. I need to know what cards you're holding 446 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 1: and how those cards are going to actually hold up. 447 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: We wouldn't blind As prosecutors, we would never blindly grant 448 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: someone immunity without knowing what information that person could provide. 449 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: Those are called debriefing sessions. We give people a basically, 450 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: we call it a queen for a day letter. It's 451 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: a debriefing agreement that says you have a free pass, 452 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: you have free reign to sit down with us, tell 453 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: us everything you know, and none of that can never 454 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: be used against you. We're going to give you this 455 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: temporary immunity for a day, so then we can determine 456 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: if you're telling us the truth. If you've got the goods. 457 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: Because once we have those preliminary debriefing sessions, Danielle, the 458 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: next thing we do is we go out and we 459 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: investigate it like all get out, to see if what 460 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: the cooperating witness or the aspiring cooperating witness, what he's 461 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: telling us is truthful or is a bunch of nonsense. 462 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: I've had so many aspiring cooperators come in, sit down, 463 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: debriefing and give me a whole bunch of nonsense, false information. 464 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: So that's the kind of person I would never do 465 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: business with. I'm not going to offer him a plea 466 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: and cooperation deal. I'm not going to try to flip 467 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: him because he is not a reliable, trustworthy, truthful witness. 468 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: So yes, we do have these preliminary debriefing sessions. We 469 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 1: give them temporary immunity queen for a day letter, and 470 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: then we assess what they have, and then we decide, Okay, 471 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: is it in the interests of the American people to 472 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: give this guy a plea in cooperation deal. We have 473 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: been on the hunt now for the big fish, for 474 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: one of them. Right the committee, the Congressional Committee, has 475 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: been playing around with the little fish. They have done 476 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: over four hundred interviews on the Department of Justice has 477 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: been playing with the little fish. They have locked up 478 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: a couple of folks. Is Jeffrey Clark. Let me continue 479 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: with our hook into the big into the big fish. 480 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: Is he who Glenn we've been waiting for. I don't 481 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: even think we need him, Danielle. One of the decisions 482 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: you make when you're assessing a guy like Jeffrey Clark 483 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: and deciding do I want to do business with him 484 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: as a cooperator or do I just want to prosecute 485 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: him as part of the conspiracy to or throw our government, 486 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: is do we need his testimony or do we simply 487 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: want his testimony. So, for example, if there were meetings 488 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: in the Oval office where Jeffrey Clark and Donald Trump 489 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: were talking, and that's when Donald Trump was enlisting his 490 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: co conspirators, and Jeffrey Clark said, I'm your man. If 491 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: there's another witness to that, we don't need Jeffrey Clark. 492 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: We use the other witness, and we indict Jeffrey Clark. Right, 493 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: you only bring a cooperator on board if you need 494 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: the cooperator, not just if you want the cooperator to 495 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: build a perfect case. But let me hasten to add 496 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: I was on joy read on the read out with 497 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: the Senator Claire McCaskill, and we discussed this. The federal 498 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: government is notorious for trying to investigate things exhaustively and 499 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: too perfection before they will ever deign to bring and 500 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: bring a charge. There's a reason some federal prosecutors run 501 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: around boasting about how they never lost the case. It's 502 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: because they never brought a difficult case. They investigate it 503 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,719 Speaker 1: to perfection forever, sometimes putting public safety at risk. And 504 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: if it's strong enough, what do they do. They wrap 505 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: it all up with a pre indictment guilty plea and 506 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: there's never a trial. If they don't think it's the 507 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: perfect case, what do they do? They don't ask the 508 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: grand jury to indict it. That's how they have one 509 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: hundred percent win record. They don't have one hundred percent 510 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: win record, and not all federal prosecutors operate that way. 511 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: I didn't. But here's the thing that is DJ's standard 512 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: operating procedure. This is not a standard criminal case, and 513 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: they are badly miscalculating because society is at risk and 514 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: democracy hangs in the balance, So you can't you can't 515 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: investigate this thing to perfection. You start to arrest the 516 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: people for whom you have probable cause, you indict them, 517 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: you flip them, then you do a suit preceding indictment 518 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: based on the information they've provided. Then you flip that person, 519 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: then you do a superseding indictment. This is law enforcement 520 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: one O one. Right, DJ is not doing it. I 521 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: understand they're trying to build the perfect beast a case 522 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: that is unlosable. There is no case that is unlosable, 523 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: and democracy is suffering in the meantime, so DJ needs 524 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: to move out. So, Glenn, how faithful are you these days? 525 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: Real question? How faithful are you that the Department of 526 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: Justice is going to provide justice to the American people, 527 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 1: whether or not this is going to be a slam dunk. 528 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: Like nothing in life is guaranteed, right, Like there is 529 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: no one hundred percent there is no slam dunk. So 530 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: why you would go why you would even go in 531 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: to the potential trial of Donald Trump and company with 532 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: that attitude, I don't know. Rather than saying it is 533 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: this perception that the American people need to see in 534 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: order to restore their faith, and that is even more important, right, 535 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I want a conviction. You want a conviction. 536 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: But to me, even going after a conviction would help 537 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: to restore the faith that has been eroded over the 538 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: last four years. So how faithful are you in this 539 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: moment that we're going to get there? Well, let me 540 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: back my way into an answer to that question, because 541 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: I am entirely confident that if the Department of Justice 542 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: fails to prosecute Trump and company, there will be a 543 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: second coup attempt, and it will likely be successful. I 544 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: am entirely confident if DJ fails to prosecute Donald Trump, 545 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump runs for reelection in twenty twenty four, 546 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland and the Department of Justice will be his 547 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: shadow running mate. And I've said this before. He might 548 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: as well drag a cardboard cutout up on the stage 549 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: when he's giving his campaign hate rallies, a cardboard cutout 550 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: of Merrick Garland, drape his arm around him and say, 551 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: that's my man. He has vouched for me, Ladies and gentlemen, 552 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: he has. The Department of Justice and Merrick Garland have 553 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: promised you that over the four years of my prior presidency, 554 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: I committed no crime. I did nothing wrong. Why did 555 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: they vouch for how did they vouch for me? Me? 556 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: And you know, if I committed a crime, they would 557 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: have been I am absolutely confident if we don't indict him, 558 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: we're done as a republic period now. To answer your question, 559 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: I still because the OJ was my professional home for 560 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: so long, and because I know so many of the 561 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: good people who are there, who many of whom are 562 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: frustrated on the inside. I can't conceive of a Department 563 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: of Justice that does that, that just gives Trump and 564 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: all of his co conspirators of past. I can't conceive 565 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: of that. So I still have faith that they will 566 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: get there. They will get there. They'll take too long, 567 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: they will be too timid, ultimately potentially in their charging decisions, 568 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: because they may forego inditing some members of Congress who 569 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: have criminal exposure because they don't want to be perceived 570 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: as too political or reaching too far, you know. But 571 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: but I believe they will get there, because I can't 572 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: conceive of living in a country where we give Trump 573 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: and his co conspirators a pass. Tell me, Glenn, what 574 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: is too late at this point? Right? I honestly I 575 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: want to know, and I know that that seems like, 576 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: you know, a trick question. But you know, we are 577 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: a handful of months away from midterm elections, right, like 578 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: we are two years right or a year and a 579 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: half away from the president. What is too late? I 580 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: would say the midterms are too late, particularly if the 581 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: Republicans take the House, because then they can't directly impact 582 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: the charging decisions of the Department of Justice because it's 583 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: still a democratic administration and Department of Justice headed up 584 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: by an appointee who was appointed by a Democrat president. 585 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: But what they can do is they can throw so 586 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: much sand into the works by issuing frivolous subpoenas, by 587 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: holding bogus oversight hearings, and trying to defund. You want 588 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: to talk about defund the police, They're going to defund 589 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, right, or at least try to. 590 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: They will use Congress's inherent power of contempt, as new 591 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: Gang Ridge promised to lock up members of the January 592 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 1: sixth Committee. I guess both the Democrats and the Republicans, 593 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: so they will make they will make the Department of 594 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: Justice's work nearly impossible. So I think too late is 595 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: if the mid terms hit, and certainly if the Republicans 596 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: take control of the House. That's probably too late for 597 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: our democracy. Wow, Glenn, So we have a countdown clock, 598 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean all another one in all honesty, because I 599 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: think that you, you know, are a one hundred percent right. 600 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: First of all, we continue to talk as if the 601 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: first coup didn't it wasn't successful, and I believe that 602 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: it was. I believe that it was to send a warning, right, 603 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: But there has been no really leveled accountability that we 604 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: have seen. And all these people have to do is 605 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: just protect themselves right the next time the next time around, 606 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 1: um and ensure that you know the ways that people 607 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: are looking at the conversations that they're having. Just cover 608 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: your tracks more because you did this out and the open. 609 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: Imagine if they had covered their attracts just a little bit, right, 610 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: And so for me, it's I don't think that again 611 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: people realize how consequential the next couple of months are 612 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: not only for this administration, but for our democracy and 613 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: our faith and institution because I see it crumbling before 614 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: our eyes. And I know that the Department of Justice 615 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: is supposed to be this separate, non political entity, but 616 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: that was disrupted four or five years ago. So you know, 617 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 1: last question for you you know today is if we 618 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: were to have some force, I mean, if we were 619 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: to like, what would be the next step. If folks 620 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: realize that the alarm bells are going off, we have 621 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: eight months left, what would be the next step to 622 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: take the next step has the only next step is 623 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: for the Department of Justice to start indicting the high 624 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: government officials that we know committed crimes. We have so 625 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: much evidence beyond probable cause, which is the standard to 626 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: arrest and indict someone. And yet these high government officials 627 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: are prancing around the footloose and fancy free. They are, 628 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, they're raising money. And we learned about Trump 629 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: giving a million dollars to Meadows Pack, which feels like 630 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: a bribe. Hey, just keep quiet. We have Donald Trump 631 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: holding his hate rallies, dangling pardons, basically recruiting his next 632 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: foot soldiers for the Second Insurrection. So the only next 633 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: step to disrupt what's going on and to change the 634 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: narrative is to indict the government officials and others, right 635 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: the Bannons. I still believe Bannon will be indicted for 636 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: the seditious conspiracy, not just for contempt of Congress, but 637 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: indict the middle level and then the upper echelon and 638 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: the command structure of the insurrection. Not to change the narrative. 639 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: You indict them because you have enough evidence to indict them, 640 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: but it will have the fringe benefit of changing the narrative, 641 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: because what I can almost guarantee, Danielle is once the 642 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: bigger fish start getting indicted for, among other things, spouting 643 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: off the big lie and then acting in furtherance of 644 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: the big lie, the other idiots are going to shut up. 645 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: They're gonna shut up because all of a sudden it 646 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: will hit home to them, Oh my god, they are consequences, 647 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: and then they'll all start to shut down. It will 648 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: change the narrative in a way that at least will 649 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: give our democracy some hope of beginning to recover and 650 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: repair and rebuild. But if we don't do it, we're done. 651 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: It is that stark, and that's simple. This is where 652 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: we are. This is where we are. We have a 653 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: handful of months left. Glenn, as always, thank you so 654 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: much for taking the time to join woke a f 655 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: and breakdown, essentially our breakdown. I will say thown, Bawn 656 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: appreciate you. That is it for me today, dear friends 657 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: on woke A f I wish for you all a 658 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: joyful week, a RESTful week as we tackle some of 659 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: the biggest headlines and talk to some of the most 660 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: incredible change makers. As always, power to the people and 661 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: to all the people power, get woke and stay woke 662 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: as fuck.