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Speaker 1: And welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lowley here with Max Starks and Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson at the NFL Scouting Combine here on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. And guys, Uh, just

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Speaker 2: some other news and notes from around the league today.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The Packers open to trading Jaire Alexander not surprising, Yeah, surpriably.

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Speaker 2: I mean it seems like that marriage is kind of

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Speaker 2: fractured at this point in uh, I mean maybe more

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Speaker 2: so than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and it's more than enough that these

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Speaker 1: defensive backs from Cream Bay have been kind of sliding

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Speaker 1: out over the last couple of years, and being because

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Speaker 1: we're Steuill Douglas also in the souring of that. So

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Speaker 1: now Jai kind of the same class, I believe, as

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Speaker 1: we're still a year after much same age, right around

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Speaker 1: the same age that now they're starting to like funnel

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Speaker 1: them out and and so trying to get some new

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Speaker 1: guys in there.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Gio exactly, Listen, good plays a great even

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Speaker 1: great fits it back.

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Speaker 4: What's his contract look like? I mean, yeah, it's real easy.

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Speaker 4: And maybe Maxim's hearts speak to this too. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there really seems like a fracture over like two years

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Speaker 4: between Packers and Alexander, and everyone always blames the player.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's not. I mean, I don't know any I

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Speaker 4: don't know that he has any off the field that

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Speaker 4: I'm aware of. I mean, maybe he does, maybe doesn't,

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Speaker 4: but I haven't heard of anything off the field, because

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Speaker 4: you know, I've funny enough, I've covered the Packers a

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Speaker 4: lot of I mean, my first you know, my first

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Speaker 4: three years working with ESPN, I was I was at

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Speaker 4: a Packers game just about seemed like twice a season,

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Speaker 4: like I was up there because like I said, I

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Speaker 4: had I had fields last game, which was Packers Bears

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Speaker 4: and Lambeau, and so I've called.

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Speaker 1: Like it, and I had Jordan Love in college, and

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Speaker 1: so calling like Jordan Love's games, I've been able to

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Speaker 1: watch that production. And the year we played Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: I saw them the week before they came to Green

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Speaker 1: Bay and then I went and so I had them

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Speaker 1: three times in one year.

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Speaker 4: And so like I mean, he was one of the

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Speaker 4: best corners in the league two years ago, and then

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Speaker 4: injuries and this fracture. And I think I asked because

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Speaker 4: I mean a couple consider giving them a pick for Alexander.

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Speaker 2: He is his base salary sixteen one five this year.

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Speaker 2: He's got another year left at eighteen point one five.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: If they release his cap pit is twenty five point

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Speaker 2: four and twenty seven point eight, they save about six

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Speaker 2: million dollars by moving on. They've got it, they've got

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Speaker 2: an out after this year. They'd have a nineteen million

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Speaker 2: in dead cap space. It's the cap pit is twenty

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Speaker 2: five point almost twenty five and a half, so about

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Speaker 2: six and a half million dollars they would save by

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Speaker 2: moving on from him. He's obviously not in their plans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that could be a first round pick for them.

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Speaker 4: I think you could get them for a late round pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're I mean you, They just want

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Speaker 2: them off the bulls and go right again. It's a

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Speaker 2: sixteen point one five million dollar cap pit, so it's

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Speaker 2: not like you're taking on nothing here.

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Speaker 4: Right right. I think it's a late pick, but.

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Speaker 2: You're getting like getting Jyry Alexander two years at thirty

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Speaker 2: four million dollars, unless you want to tear that up

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Speaker 2: and give him a new one.

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Speaker 3: And let's start it.

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Speaker 4: Look pretty good supporter. If he's happy and healthy and

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Speaker 4: all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say health would probably be my biggest question,

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Speaker 1: like does he pass the medical is he over the injuries?

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Speaker 1: But he would be a very desirable guy, like you

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Speaker 1: said twenty eight. Yeah, I mean you you need something

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Speaker 1: opposite Joey, right, like something a little older, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, three trice could be your your your nickel third

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Speaker 2: would get the size that you want.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, guy aggressive and he has a resume.

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Speaker 1: Yeah know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So that interesting that that that does interest me too.

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Speaker 1: And I'm willing to give up a six or a seventh,

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Speaker 1: yeah right, and that range for it. I mean I

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Speaker 1: right yeah, because that's a lot of money to take

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Speaker 1: on as well. And they choose into your sixty you

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Speaker 1: know that you had available, so you go from being

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Speaker 1: really healthy to you know, hey, hey, doctor's visit.

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Speaker 2: Right, But again, you could adjust it, you say, let's

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Speaker 2: so you add a year on at the end, give

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Speaker 2: him a shigning bonus.

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Speaker 3: Spread it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that much of that number down right

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Speaker 2: for the next couple of years here, and yeah, if

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Speaker 2: if you can get him into a probably a ten

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Speaker 2: million dollar hit, I think I think it's a very

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Speaker 4: Even twelve, I mean yeah, twelve.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they can stuf I.

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Speaker 4: Get, they can move money around. Yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 4: money doesn't necessarily worry me. I don't think that they're

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Speaker 4: close to dry enough.

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Speaker 2: I think it, you know, in that regard, as you know, right,

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Speaker 2: player fit, Yeah, you're willing to do a little bit

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Speaker 2: more in that regard.

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Speaker 3: And like you said, it's a man cover corner.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a guy who has to play zone and

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Speaker 1: he can only play one side of the field. Right,

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Speaker 1: we're not talking. We're not talking Richard Sherman. Right, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I only played the right that

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Speaker 1: that's all.

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Speaker 2: Like you could still get three years out of before

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Speaker 2: he turns thirty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which I mean that that's all you need, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean we just need a couple.

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Speaker 3: We're not asking you to come and be a ten

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Speaker 1: But if we can get three really really high end years,

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Speaker 1: you'll be fine. Yeah, you're you're you're in a great place.

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Speaker 1: So it would be health that would be the only thing.

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Speaker 1: But but I like that. I like that, especially, you know,

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Speaker 4: Draft, yeah, at that first starting corner, right, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean I'm just thinking it through now too. I mean

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Speaker 4: you mentioned the contract. If you think you can get

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Speaker 4: three years out of him, put one year on it,

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Speaker 4: move some money around. I don't think that's all that much.

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Speaker 2: To ask, And with the avoidable even voidable.

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Speaker 4: Years, you can really yeah, you know, and he's a

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Speaker 4: much different age gap between Porter and Trice, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't mind. We talked often about a

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Speaker 4: free agent being you know, a high priority there. I

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Speaker 4: don't know that the draft is the best place to

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Speaker 4: add that and just be young everywhere. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: rookie corners get picked on, even the best ones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because if you.

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Speaker 1: Look at Trip McDuffie and those guys over over at

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, right, and all of them hit it at

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Speaker 1: the same time that you got, they do hit you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So with the Titans, yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: So you're already starting to lose guys from that perspective.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I would love to bring in.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: One's very interesting hearing that about Jair, because I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's one that's a good fit scheme wise.

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Speaker 4: And I wonder Porter would if he's close to the

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Speaker 4: player he was at his best day. I'm not even

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Speaker 4: traveling Porter, you know why. You know you need if

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Speaker 4: Chase lines up on the left and Higgins on the right. Okay,

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Speaker 4: if if on the left right, is that play it

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Speaker 4: less confusion? You know, right exactly left right? It up,

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Speaker 2: And that's something and Matt and I have talked about

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Speaker 2: it in the past, Max that that really when when

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Speaker 2: you have a corner that travels, when that receiver moves

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Speaker 2: not just that corner traveling over there.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's jobs now flip ten guys have to adjust, you know,

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Speaker 4: Reeves following around somebody or Dion. It's easy on the corner,

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Speaker 4: everyone knows his sign. Those other ten need to make changes,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the corner that might have thought he had

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Speaker 1: All those things kind of matter and in that perspective,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, but but yeah, but but like you said,

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Speaker 1: if you do have it, we don't have to flip

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Speaker 3: We we can play sides.

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Speaker 2: And that's the ideal situation. You don't want to have to, yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: The Bengal probably don't switch anyways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and here's my thing. Say they do flip

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Speaker 1: the receivers on on pre snap motion. Stay still, yeah,

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Speaker 1: now you you had Chase, Now you got Higgins. All right,

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Speaker 1: it's short motion, hey I travel in for a second,

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Speaker 1: but the second he crosses the center, okay, hey, you

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Speaker 3: I'll revert back now.

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Speaker 1: Is less of that trying to catch guys on fly motion, right,

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Speaker 1: because that's the other reason why you run fly motion,

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Speaker 1: to try and get an angle and get a steam going.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, nope, I got to run into this

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Speaker 4: They were a left right team for until porter stepped

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Speaker 4: up and said, hey, let me follow DeAndre Hopkins or

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Speaker 4: whatever it was that day, you know, I mean, so

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Speaker 4: left right teams just seems to make more sense if

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Speaker 4: you conn have a guy that's comparable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you got to have equal skill set, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it can't be.

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Speaker 4: It can't be a huge exactly, Alexanders and those guys

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Speaker 4: could maybe be that a whole lot of on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The other guy who is available currently is the Tennessee

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Speaker 2: Titans have given Harold Landry permissions.

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Speaker 4: I saw that. Yeah, I don't think another doesn't fit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't fit here, but it doesn't fit here.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he fits their timeline. And he's just

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Speaker 4: getting up in age and he's a little expensive, and

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Speaker 4: they know they're not going to win.

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Speaker 3: They're blowing up right, Yeah, yeah, everything.

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Speaker 2: Which is funny because the Titans last year were one

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Speaker 2: of the most aggressive teams in free agents.

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Speaker 4: Number one, yeah, number one, and including the Steed trade.

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Speaker 4: I mean they went they had everything but the quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they thought they had everything, but they thought that they

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Speaker 4: really which it didn't have a good grasp of what

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Speaker 4: they were well.

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Speaker 1: And that's what cost the GM ran carthon his right

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Speaker 1: right right. And you did it with the first year

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Speaker 1: head coach. That was the other thing. It's like you

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Speaker 1: thought you were this far away, but it's like you

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Speaker 1: also had a first year head coach doing when you.

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Speaker 2: You have to make after after this next season, they're

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Speaker 4: From both, which will do but get us. You gotta

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they already gave what about and then Tanks had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert tight end? Who do they have a tight end?

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Speaker 2: right after this. Welcome back to the NFL Scouting Combine

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Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis. I am Dale Lolly with Max Starks

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Speaker 2: and Matt Williamson here on the Steelers Audio Network, and

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Speaker 2: we're joined now by fran Duffy who joins us every

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Speaker 2: year now, but Frans changed his designation year now with

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Speaker 2: the City network gratulations and that's a great draft stuff there.

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Speaker 3: Check that out.

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Speaker 2: How you doing for him?

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Speaker 5: They don't do it great. It's great to catch up

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Speaker 5: with you guys. Yeah, it's a yearly visit. I'm excited

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were all right this year.

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Speaker 3: Crazy.

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Speaker 5: It us plenty to talk about. So I still do

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Speaker 5: a plenty of Eagles coverage, Yeah, so I do. It

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Speaker 5: was probably this fall it was like sixty forty draft Eagles. Okay,

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Speaker 5: next year it'll probably be more like eighty twenty in

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Speaker 4: But it's and that's been your passion, and that's that's

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Speaker 4: these draft tool guys. I know you have a lot,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's a really intriguing class because you know,

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Speaker 5: So I actually did something that that I've never done

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Speaker 4: And if he's only a corner, he's your corner one.

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Speaker 5: Top player in this class. He's you know, I hate generational.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think we've that ship has sailed.

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Speaker 4: Sure been great to see him at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 4: I so he actually plays press man.

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Speaker 5: So but that's the thing, is you go. I think

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, good point year.

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Speaker 4: bring the defense altogether.

442
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Speaker 5: The thing with Baron, though, I mean again, he's so

443
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,119
Speaker 5: he's listed by Texas five eleven, one ninety two. So

444
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,399
Speaker 5: let's say he comes in five ten. Let's say he

445
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,680
Speaker 5: comes in one ninety. So that's that's a small corner.

446
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Speaker 5: I think he's a four or five guy. I don't

447
00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,280
Speaker 5: I don't think he runs that well. And so again

448
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,600
Speaker 5: that might well, that will say to everybody he's got

449
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,240
Speaker 5: to play in the slot. He was an outside corner

450
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,200
Speaker 5: this year for the Horns, was a nickel before that.

451
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,639
Speaker 5: I love the physicality. I just I just questioned the athleticism.

452
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,159
Speaker 1: Like what that was not.

453
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 4: Temperament seems to be there.

454
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,399
Speaker 5: The play temperaments there, and that is something that I

455
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,080
Speaker 5: value a lot. But I'm worried about the physical profile there.

456
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,840
Speaker 5: If there's enough that he could hang and play Manda

457
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,840
Speaker 5: Man coverage, whether that's on the outside or when when

458
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 5: receivers have a two way go inside, I think that

459
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,200
Speaker 5: whole have trouble in those situations.

460
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Speaker 4: It seems like a shortcut. But I mean five ten

461
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 4: one nine with a four or five to one doesn't

462
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 4: sound like the first on corn. No, if the tape

463
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Speaker 4: is the best in the nation.

464
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, And so you know now you're look, could

465
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Speaker 5: he be Mike Hilton?

466
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Speaker 3: Sure like he did.

467
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 4: He could bigger, better version.

468
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, he could be. But you know, I think that

469
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 5: that's there's projection there.

470
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Speaker 1: There's another guy that I'm interested in. And granted, you know,

471
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: I now go to collegiate ties and biases, but Asari A. Thomas,

472
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 1: another guy, senior Bowl guy, he's around almost sixty.

473
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 4: All the Florida State guys.

474
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Speaker 1: I'm just such a fan former Gator, But I mean,

475
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,439
Speaker 1: but he's intriguing because he's a taller, lengthier guy. Now

476
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,400
Speaker 1: he didn't have the production. Obviously, Florida State sucked this year.

477
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 1: You know I had to take Yeah, I'm really broken

478
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: hard about it. But what is your thoughts about him,

479
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,959
Speaker 1: because I mean, I haven't seen that much of him

480
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 1: this year. I didn't get to cover him, but I

481
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 1: know he's a guy that's always kind of come up

482
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Speaker 1: on the radar when I've talked to people.

483
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Speaker 5: He's got a great feel for playing the line of scrimmage.

484
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 5: And even though I don't think he's a burner, I

485
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 5: think that I'm interesteding what he tests like this week.

486
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 5: I do think that he's got that press skill set.

487
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 5: I don't have a cop written down for him, but yeah,

488
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 5: one of the things you're talking about, like the production,

489
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 5: he was only targeted on ten percent of snaps this

490
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 5: past year, which is a really low note. Like the

491
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 5: team stayed away from him. They were like, we're not

492
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 5: We're not going to that side of the field. He

493
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 5: had really good flashes down in Mobile at the Senior Bowl.

494
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 5: And I'm used to get your take, like I love

495
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 5: watching corners and the to me, like it's so applicable

496
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 5: some of that skill set defensive line. Yeah, just guys

497
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Speaker 5: that you being asked to play in reverse, and you know,

498
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 5: it's a it's a it's a non comfortable position. It's

499
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Speaker 5: not it's not natural. And I think there's a lot

500
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Speaker 5: of correlations that.

501
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, there is.

502
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Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, we always talk about top

503
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: cover corners with top passtting offensive line, right, I mean

504
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 1: there is that because, like you said, working in reverse

505
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: and you're playing mirror dodge essentially, right, you know, it's

506
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: a mirror dodge type position. So I think one of

507
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Speaker 1: the things that kind of stood out to me was,

508
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: like you said, I didn't see a lot of balls

509
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: thrown on him. Now, I didn't get to watch a

510
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: ton of tape, but the times I did, I'm like, oh,

511
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 1: he's out there, but there's no action towards him. All

512
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: the actions in the opposite direction. So is that good

513
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: or is that bad? And that's where I'm kind of

514
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: torn because, like you said, I saw a couple of

515
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of clips, yea, you know, and

516
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: I saw him and he's, like you said, long arm extension.

517
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna pressureate the line of scrimmage. He's gonna bully

518
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 1: you a little bit.

519
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 4: It's great to see those pressman cover.

520
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 5: Arms like that way.

521
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's built that way, and so that's why he's intriguing.

522
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Speaker 1: But I think because like you said, if you follow

523
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: helmet stickers, right, he's gonna he's gonna get looked at

524
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: differently because the team sucks so bad. Maybe he's a

525
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: guy that falls into Day two. If he can test well,

526
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: maybe he gets a little bit more bumped. But I mean,

527
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: everything fails in comparison to Travis Hunter, all eyes are

528
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna be on him.

529
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: But where does that guy fall?

530
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Speaker 1: Because I feel like he's a guy that could fall

531
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Speaker 1: because of that, and I think he's an intriguing guy

532
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: for our scheme fit as well.

533
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 5: If he tests well, he's first round player, okay to me,

534
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 5: Like if he were to run in the four fours,

535
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 5: I think we're talking about him in the first round.

536
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

537
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 5: See if he does not, if he runs like the

538
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 5: four fives, that I think you're talking more of a

539
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 5: Day two player. And it's funny. I was just one

540
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 5: of the things that I've started to incorporate more into

541
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 5: my evaluation, not evaluation, but just you know, to have

542
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 5: this background info. Looking at some of those numbers I mentioned,

543
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 5: he was only targeted ten point five percent of the time.

544
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 5: That's ninetieth percent tile amongst corners draft in the last decade.

545
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 5: That's a that's a really good number. Every new who

546
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 5: he was, Everyone stayed away, but when he was targeted,

547
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 5: he forced an incompletion on twenty one percent of his targets,

548
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 5: which is a A. That's a good number. So like,

549
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 5: all right, small sample, but if you're gonna come at

550
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Speaker 5: me like you're.

551
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Speaker 1: Not your yeah, you're not getting a lot of a

552
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of good.

553
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Speaker 3: It was impressive.

554
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 2: He is false. He didn't fall asleep or get bored

555
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: or he was still playing.

556
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 3: He was still engaged on a bad team.

557
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: To your point in terms of and our guess is

558
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: friend Duffy, Yeah, you understand half Frand Duffy from the

559
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: All City Network. You mentioned the injury situation for for

560
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: the East Carolina kid.

561
00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

562
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: Uh, there's a couple of guys in this draft, especially

563
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: at the cornerback position. Benjamin Morrison from from Notre Dame,

564
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: who were who are injury issues here? And you know,

565
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: we don't know what they're gonna do, you know, in

566
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: this situation, and you might be flying a little blind

567
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: with some of these guys in terms of you know

568
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: what the NFL scouts are going to see here maybe

569
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: until pro days. How does how does how does that

570
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: shake out?

571
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: Here?

572
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 4: Do you think like hypothetical in three days? Somebody says, magically,

573
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 4: Morrison's fine? Is he a first round player?

574
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing, uh, you know, talking to our

575
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 5: friend Dane Brugler from the Athletic one of the best things. Yeah,

576
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 5: and you know, one of the things that Dane brought

577
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 5: to my attention. Uh, you know when you look at

578
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 5: Marson from Notre Dame, talented player, junior captain, like everything

579
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 5: you want off the field he met he left halfway

580
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 5: through the year because of hip hip surgery. That's his

581
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 5: second hip surgy. He had a hip surgery in high school.

582
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think the track records great after hip surgery,

583
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: especially for corner.

584
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 5: For a guy that's got is there something degenerative there?

585
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 5: Is it something chronic or is it a fluky thing?

586
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: Right?

587
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 5: And so this week that gets not solved. But you

588
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 5: know every team will you know, put him through the

589
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 5: paces there medically and get a finding on how do we.

590
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: Think I hate to say it, but draft they might

591
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 4: roll around and like, oh, day one went by and

592
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: he's the top of best available, and then day two

593
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: goes by and then you're like, oh, it's.

594
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 5: A problem, right, you know he's gonna be He will

595
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 5: be a player that I'm sure because they'll bring a

596
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 5: bunch of a handful of players back to Indianapolis in

597
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 5: like late March early April for that medical recheck. He

598
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 5: would be on that group, would be my guest, and

599
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 5: it will be about that hip.

600
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Speaker 2: And Ravel will probably be there as well, I would think.

601
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, So he had ACL surgery early September. He sent

602
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 5: out a memo his agent, his doctors sent out a

603
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 5: memo all thirty two teams. It sounds like he'll be

604
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 5: able to do like individual type stuff in the spring

605
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 5: for mini camps and then won't be ready for like

606
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 5: full contact stuff until they get into the summer. But

607
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: it seems like everything got clear. It was clean there again,

608
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 5: like if he's help, if he's healthy. That's round one tape.

609
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 5: Like I wrote down, there were shades of like d

610
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 5: r C when DRC came out. Yeah, and he's not

611
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 5: quite as tall. DRC was like six two plus. Yeah,

612
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 5: really he's long, not quite to that level. But one

613
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 5: guy that whose tape I loved was Alante Taylor when

614
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 5: he came out of Tennessee. He was the second round

615
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 5: pick of the Saints. Uh and again like that that

616
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 5: razor sharp edged he plays. I love the play personality,

617
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 5: and that's what Rebel certainly brings. Competitive guy, yes, which

618
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 5: that to me a corner is super super.

619
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Speaker 4: Important any other day.

620
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 5: Two favorites Tommy Hill from Nebraska.

621
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Speaker 4: He talked about a little bit even if it's a slot.

622
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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's take a look. So, h Maxwell Harrison's an

623
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: interesting place.

624
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: I was about to ask you about it. I heard

625
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 3: mixed things about him.

626
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, one hundred and seventy nine pounds

627
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 5: is light and so something. You know, people will look

628
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: at that a little bit differently.

629
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Speaker 2: It's funny, how like if he were one eighty, yeah,

630
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: a little bit differently. But get into the seventies and

631
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: then he's probably gonna come in here and maybe maybe

632
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: be light to run faster.

633
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, one seventy five, and then you're like, oh god, okay,

634
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: this guy is a stick figure.

635
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was.

636
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: Had a heck of a year, had a great year.

637
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: So and then it fell off, you know, competition wise.

638
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: You know this following year which Kentucky just struggled all mightily,

639
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: and so it was like, was he twenty twenty three

640
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: version or is the twenty twenty four version him? Because

641
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: he had what he had two pick sixes.

642
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 5: He had two pick sixes five picks overall in that season,

643
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 5: and people, I think, will point to Emmanuel Forbes from

644
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago Washington where he said the

645
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 5: NCAA record with career pick sixes and he was like

646
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 5: one sixty five or you know whatever he was, and

647
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 5: he was a taller fie owner.

648
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

649
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 5: Now the thing was is that, like I had major

650
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 5: major questions about that. I grated him as a backup.

651
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 5: I didn't think he could play man to man coverage

652
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 5: when I look at Harston, like Harrison's got the ability

653
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 5: to play man. So when I look at him, I'm like, okay,

654
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 5: Like I feel still worried about the size. The instincts

655
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 5: I think are just okay in terms of like reading

656
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 5: rock breaks and things of that nature. I thought he

657
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 5: was solid but not great as a tackler. He had

658
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 5: some bad misses, and so I think when you're looking

659
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 5: at him, there's there's a lot to like. I like

660
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 5: him more than I liked Forbes, but I think that

661
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: there is some cost for concern. I do think he'll

662
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 5: be one of the better testers at the position though

663
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 5: this week.

664
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 3: Okay, last one for me, and this is me being

665
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: a Gator.

666
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: Jason Marshall another guy that you said might be a

667
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: medical recheck type of guy.

668
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's almost six to one, you know, he's

669
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: like six foot and a half.

670
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: You know, however they want to grade it, how how

671
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: far they push his head down when they're when they're

672
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: measuring him tomorrow later in the week. He's a guy

673
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: he intrigued me because he had some good moments and

674
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: like you said, but but then there was some things

675
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: like at point fifty fifty balls, like he struggled a

676
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: little bit. But he has size and he has range,

677
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: and I feel like he would be a guy that,

678
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was a shoulder injury, so he should run.

679
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: He's a guy that that's intriguing to me. With some

680
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: of his measurables.

681
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, the person not production for him wasn't great, but yeah,

682
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 5: you mentioned like the measurables are there, and he's he's

683
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 5: over two hundred pounds. Yeah, so if he runs well

684
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 5: enough at two hundred, that's that's that's gonna play well.

685
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 5: With people. What's interesting on Marshall. He's been on my

686
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 5: radar off for a couple of years. Yeah, a bunch

687
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 5: of One of the things I love about couple in

688
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 5: here and talking with so many of these players. I

689
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 5: don't ask them about themselves because they're you know, they

690
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 5: get asked about themselves a million times over and yeah,

691
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 5: they're they're so coaching up at this point, I'm asking

692
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 5: them about teammates, guys coming down the line, opponents, things

693
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: like that. Marshall has come up in conversations here for

694
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 5: the last two years. Uh, Trey Dean when he came

695
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 5: out of it feels like forever ago. But the twenty

696
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 5: twenty three combine, Trey Dean, he brought him up that

697
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: that's the guy to watch next year. Rashad Torrance, former Gator,

698
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 5: brought him up to me for a guy to come

699
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: down the line. Other players have brought him up as

700
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 5: he was the toughest corner I went up against when

701
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 5: I went to the Shrine Bowl Miami, Sam Brown said,

702
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: Jason Marshall best corner I went up against this year.

703
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 5: So I think he gets he's obviously, look, there's a

704
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: reason why he's getting this kind of respect from his

705
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 5: peers and then from the from the opponents as well.

706
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: He's got size. I thought he was solid at the

707
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl.

708
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: You know.

709
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: See, yeah, he wasn't great, but he was just solid.

710
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: So I wonder can he grow if he's in the

711
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: right skin, because you know, I love my Gators. I

712
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: covered my Gators. But at the same time, it's like

713
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: there was so many other issues. It's like, how confident

714
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: do you really get if your team's not getting a

715
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: pass rush and you're like guarding twenty yards down the

716
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: field because you haven't five yeah, exactly and reverse in

717
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: or reverse I know, I know how I felt when

718
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: I had the block for six six and a half

719
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: seconds for a quarterback.

720
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: I was like, please just get the ball out, Like,

721
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: just just give me some relief here, you know.

722
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: And I felt like that was a little bit with him,

723
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: like because there wasn't the pressure, and I feel like,

724
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: if he's at two and a half three seconds, it

725
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: looks good, but then he kind of loses it after

726
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: that when you get into three and a half four

727
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: and plus seconds. So that was a guy I wanted

728
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: to ask about because he's another intriguing guy Day two

729
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: ish that you look at and say maybe we can

730
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: work with that.

731
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Barring just like him, like tanking testing this week,

732
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 5: I think that you're talking round five, yeah something like.

733
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: I think that's probably where a guy with his profile

734
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 5: ends up, and I do think that there's some potential

735
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: left for him to turn into a started down the road.

736
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody wants now to emulate the Eagles. Yep, it's

737
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: not as easy as as it seems. Like you just

738
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: like snap your fingers and all of a sudden you've got,

739
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: you know, four defensive tackles that are that are you know,

740
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty pounds or whatever.

741
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: The ego.

742
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean, they've had a plan in place where they

743
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: build the lines, build the lines, build the lines.

744
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: Is it as simple as that?

745
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: But then last year they add the cornerbacks. Yeah, like

746
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, you can't just build that overnight.

747
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 5: And that's what's fascinating about talking with people about it

748
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: over the last few weeks, because yes, they're they're they're

749
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 5: mantra is, we're gonna build inside out line of scrimmage,

750
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 5: O line D line priority picks, big money, that's what

751
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 5: that's where we're gonna spend our resources. But you spend

752
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 5: those top two picks on corner last year, three years ago,

753
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 5: before the twenty twenty two season, you spent a first

754
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 5: round pick trading for aj Brown. The previous first round

755
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 5: pick you drafted Vonte Smith.

756
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: They really struggled to find receiver before that. You were

757
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: missing left and right.

758
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 5: You spent big money on Takwon Barkley last last spring, right,

759
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 5: so you're you're finding your spots and they hit on

760
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 5: all of those spots while also raising the floor with

761
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 5: that line, with the line of scrimmage. And to me,

762
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 5: that's the way I look at it is you raise

763
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 5: your floor when you you've got one of the best

764
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: offensive lines in football, one of the best defensive lines

765
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 5: in football, certainly young defensive lines in football.

766
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

767
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 5: And then you know the the what races that ceiling

768
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 5: is when you've got Jalen Hurts, you know, playing the

769
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 5: way that he did down the stretch, and then a

770
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: J Brown, Devonte Smith, ta Quon Barkley, Dallas Goddard, the

771
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 5: rookie corners you get Zach Bond for for pennies on

772
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: the dollar to be able to play the way that

773
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 5: he did, to be able to win on the margins

774
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 5: that way, I mean everything Howie Roseman pulled last year

775
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 5: was able to hit in the big way.

776
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: One question I would ask that, like, so last year

777
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: down the stretch was very much like what happened to

778
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: the Steelers this year, you lost five or six going

779
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: into the playffs got smoked into the playoffs.

780
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: That one.

781
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: Well, multiple coordinator changes, coordinator changes.

782
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: But you brought in Bond.

783
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: Hit on that.

784
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: You bring in Barkley. Everybody knew you were going to

785
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: hit on that. But the draft hit, yeah, you know

786
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

787
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: Top two draft hit, right, Yeah, in a big final

788
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: defensive rookie, Yeah, in a big way.

789
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: But you know, the team itself, the court itself, wasn't

790
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: that different from what you had last year. Yep, it's

791
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: just things fell apart last year.

792
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: One of their biggest investments no one talks about. See

793
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: the edge rusher from the Jets that really did nothing.

794
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: For it right here, was inactive for the senior r

795
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 5: for the Super Bowl, right, you know, it was a

796
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 5: non factor for the majority of this year. And so

797
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 5: like it wasn't how he didn't bat a thousand, But

798
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: that's to me, like that's the thing is that when

799
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 5: you look at the way that they approach it, and

800
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 5: I think the most front offices approach it from I understand,

801
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: like the way Omar Khan looks at it is like, okay, like, yeah,

802
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: you're you're not going to bat a thousand. You want

803
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 5: to make as educated guests and you know, take the

804
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: best bets that you can with every roll of the dice.

805
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: And look, you're you're it's not gonna roll possibly every

806
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: single time. But if you believe in your process, you're

807
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 5: making good decisions, informed decisions more often than not, you're

808
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: gonna you're gonna be on the winning side of it,

809
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 5: and that should put you in position. But you need

810
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: to hit on those like those critical. It's just like

811
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: in football, where you can play really really well for

812
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 5: you know, ninety eight percent of the game, but if

813
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 5: it's third and eight, do you make the player? Do

814
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: you not make the play? All right? You have your

815
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 5: in position to take that quarterback. Do you hit on

816
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 5: the quarterback or do you not hill on the quarterback?

817
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 5: And that's gonna make or break your franchise.

818
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: They also might be the best developmental team in the league.

819
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: Coaching especially right Yeah, lots of both d and offensive

820
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: line coaches are are lights out with teaching. So, I

821
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: mean you have a lot start in the league. Now, Yeah,

822
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: that's that's something that we don't say. We've talked about

823
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: this with with a lot of with our guys, is

824
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: where is the teaching going on? Like who is the

825
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: one that's going to be teaching these guys? And that's

826
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: the other benefits you have when you can hit, Like

827
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: you said, like Mackay Beckton, everybody thought he was in

828
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: the Land of broken toys. Yeah, and you put that

829
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: guy at guard? Are you, like why anybody else think

830
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: of this before this?

831
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

832
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly a football player, Yeah, exactly, the helmet strap

833
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: when he first got there, really.

834
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they didn't have a helmet because he was

835
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: so big.

836
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 5: I mean he is, he is like legitimately three hundred

837
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 5: and ninety pounds, but he looks like he's three twenty.

838
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you can appreciate that.

839
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can appreciate that.

840
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I well because I did Opening Night, Right,

841
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm down there and I'm telling him and Lane are

842
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: next to you that he makes Lane look small.

843
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

844
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: And you know, and then they have the high voice,

845
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: the ukulele type of thing, you know, and it's just like,

846
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, like they're like they're built different down under.

847
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 5: One of my favorite stories about Jordan's first spring, first

848
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 5: mini camp. I'm in line. I got there in the morning.

849
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 5: I'm at the office, get in line for breakfast and

850
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there. A bunch of players are in and

851
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 5: the chef calls out. He's like, oh, the egg orders up,

852
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 5: and it was like mountain of two dozen eggs, had

853
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 5: to be mountain of eggs, like two avocados, veggies, like

854
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: whole thing. And Lane Johnson's in there. He's like, who

855
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 5: is who is this for? And here comes Jordan's one

856
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 5: of his first days rookie. Yeah, well thanks, Mike comes.

857
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 5: Apparently that's what he eats like every morning. Unbelievable.

858
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: O my god, that's like a fifty bakfast.

859
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: Now, the two dozen eggs mortgage out for that.

860
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: But some teams he may abyss washed out, you know,

861
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 4: if you don't develop them. I mean, he wasn't a football.

862
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 5: Player, and some people as a defensive lineman when he

863
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 5: was got ye they had never played so you know who.

864
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: That reminds me of al Villanueva when he was sure Yeah, right.

865
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: They didn't know where to put out, you know, because

866
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: I remember seeing them one year how we were in

867
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: the preseason.

868
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: He was on the D line. I was like, this

869
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: is your D line.

870
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 5: So before I worked at the Eagles, I worked at

871
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 5: Temple Age Temple Football. We played Army every year. Yeah,

872
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 5: he was a six seven wide receivers.

873
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't running round their option offense.

874
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 5: And it was like, who's guarding that guy? Like, like

875
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 5: you know the girl we had the five to ten

876
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: walk on corner out there, like this.

877
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: Guy's got no shot.

878
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 5: Unbelievable.

879
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: Anyways, our guest has been the Frand Duffy of the

880
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: All City Network. He can check out his work there.

881
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: It's at f Duffy, NFL if you want to check

882
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: that out on the ex Twitter. I'm Dale Oney here

883
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: with Max Starks and Matt Williamson. We are live here

884
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. We'll be back

885
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: with more right after this and welcome back guy, Dale

886
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: Lolly here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson, live at

887
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: the NFL scott In Combine here in Indianapolis, where well

888
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: it's day two. Things starting to slow down a little

889
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: bit here. All the guys have already done all the

890
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 2: podium work. We heard, all the defensive linemen, the edge rushers,

891
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: the all the guys that Max hates.

892
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I keep bringing them up because they have guys

893
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: that are draft eligible. I mean, listen, I've learned, you

894
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: know over the years, like don't discount that. I mean,

895
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: they're they they draft good talent, and they keep talent

896
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: in state, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean

897
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that's the main competitor with Florida is Florida State. You know,

898
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: I just revel in the fact that they suck this year.

899
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: It was just so great to call my cousin Travis

900
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: Johnson and.

901
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: Just hey, how about those knowles?

902
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? But uh but I mean, but but there's talented guys, right,

903
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: you said, And I think we kind of, like you said,

904
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: you look at the team record and it kind of

905
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: makes you turn a blind eye. But there's some talented

906
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: dudes on these teams. You know.

907
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: Just I talked with Farmer about that at the Senior Bowl,

908
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: you know, like, what was you know, you begin to

909
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: see what were the eleventh something?

910
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, h because they were undefeated the year before and

911
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: they got snubbed from the playoffs, they would have been

912
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: an easy team walk in if the new playoff format,

913
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, they would have been at least hosting a

914
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: game year away. Yeah, they're a year away from that.

915
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: And then it fell apart when you do when the

916
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: red seat does open on teams getting into the postseason,

917
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: and you just fell apart from the beginning that Georgia

918
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: Tech game was at Ireland and then and they missed the.

919
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: Fielders that way, you get a nice long trip back

920
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: to you got to think about.

921
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: And then you lose and you continually lose.

922
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: And that was my question with Farmer, like what was

923
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 2: what was the motivation? Once you know, you lose one, Okay,

924
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: you still have a chance to rebound to get back

925
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: into in the year, right, and you know what the

926
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: playoff format was this year, that wasn't going to kill

927
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: you like a loss did the year before. It were

928
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: no losses and you didn't get in because you lost

929
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: your quarterback. But then you lose a second game and

930
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: then a third one, it's like, okay, this isn't We're

931
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: not going to make it now, you know. So he's

932
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: my motivation was, Look, I just had to be out

933
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: there and be the best that I.

934
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Could be and yeah, you know, mercenary mentality.

935
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't the.

936
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: Season that we wanted.

937
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: But college football now creates that mercenary Yeah.

938
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: It situation does because you're because you're realizing, okay, well

939
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to the next level, right, And

940
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: also how much turnover are you getting from year to

941
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: year now? Because of that il because of the transfer portal.

942
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, a guy that you were playing with a

943
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: year ago, that you had a good rhythm with could

944
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: be gone to Louisville or Miami or somewhere else because

945
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: he got offered.

946
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: A ton of Florida State lost from the previous year. Yeah,

947
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: lost Fisk, who was a transfer in you lost the

948
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: first lost the guys off front, off your front line.

949
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: So now it's like, man, I was good a year ago.

950
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: Now it's like, like you said, now I'm getting all

951
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: the attention.

952
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they now know who I am. Now you know

953
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I was third on the list in one on ones.

954
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Now I'm getting double teamed every play. Yeah.

955
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: But like back though in fran matched with Thomas, he

956
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: still had a really good year, you know, I mean

957
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: he could easily cashed it in. And you know, teams

958
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: didn't attack him, and he made him pay when they did.

959
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: You know, I got that guy an extra boost. You

960
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: know when things went bad. He has played in falls.

961
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't because of him, right right, you know what

962
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And that's where the mentality because it's not

963
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: gonna be honest. A big problem with Florida State this

964
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 4: past season was really the offense.

965
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 3: They were terrible. They were got off Listen, listen.

966
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I can't tell you the smile that came upon my face,

967
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: you know when I was watching them play, because I was.

968
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: Like, I can't wait to doubt this phone number. How

969
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: bad are you guys?

970
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Now? You know, because for so many years, right, you've

971
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: had running backs, you've had receivers, you've had and they

972
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: pumped out so many guys and then to have the

973
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: year that they had and you're just like, but the

974
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: talent's still there, Like you have to kind of look

975
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: at the helmet sticker, not look at the record. Like

976
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: Florida State is gonna draft, They're gonna have good corners,

977
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna have good d lineman. They do it every

978
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: year like that's a place people know to go there

979
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: for that purpose, But where.

980
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: Are the running backs, Where the receivers, where's the quarterback?

981
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

982
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Where where's the compliment to that to allow them to

983
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: be that? Because once again, just like our defense, right,

984
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: our defense is great, But if you keep on the

985
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: field thirty six minutes a game, not gonna be so great,

986
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be terrible. You're gonna have a dramatic falloup.

987
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: But if they're on the field twenty eight twenty seven

988
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: minutes a game, you and your offense is chewing up clock,

989
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna Look, they're gonna be all stars of the

990
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: entire season.

991
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: And that's one thing I think the gut, you know,

992
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: gets overlooked a little bit.

993
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: It's not.

994
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: Necessarily that particular game that that oh they just wore

995
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: down at the end of this year. Well, no, it

996
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: was the extra twenty snaps that they had to take

997
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: in that game, and the twenty in the game after that,

998
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: And now it's an accumulation.

999
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: I've got one hundred extra snats that I didn't anticipate.

1000
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: It's two games worth, yeah, exactly played and by game

1001
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: by week fifteen, it's like, Okay, I feel like I've

1002
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: already played.

1003
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: Played the full season. Guys. To make it through the

1004
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: regular season.

1005
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: They have to go hand in hand. They have to

1006
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 2: your offense can't just give the ball back right away.

1007
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: No super Bowl think right right, like like it couldn't

1008
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: get a first down. They couldn't get a first down,

1009
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: they couldn't get across the fifty. No.

1010
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: Right, the first half, why.

1011
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: Do you think that defense's defense was holding? I mean

1012
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: it was they give up ten points in the first half. Yeah, yeah,

1013
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: you know there was a defensive score, you know, and

1014
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, but sall right.

1015
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

1016
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: But by the second half and you're like, oh, yeah,

1017
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: by the way, Sakua Barkley is still back there. Yeah,

1018
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, this offensive line hasn't gone anywhere, and there

1019
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: humongous and they're they're way going.

1020
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: To lead and now they're going to just start pound them.

1021
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1022
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 4: On the Sailors case, tackling Dereck Henry's getting really old,

1023
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: or you know the Eagles game against the Steelers.

1024
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, defense can't get off the field in the last

1025
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: ten minutes of the game, kidding.

1026
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: And they held the ball.

1027
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, on top of that, it was like we're

1028
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: not just hitting you with strike plays, We're just chewing

1029
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: up clocking. It's like run a certain amount how long

1030
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: can you push against I'm sorry, I can't push against

1031
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: a semi truck that's rolling down hill. You expect me

1032
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: to stop it for ten minutes, It's not going to happen.

1033
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: It's like doing the bench press here. Yeah, it's just

1034
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: at some point that but bar's not going to go

1035
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: back up. Yeah, it's not too twenty five after the

1036
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: thirtieth rep. Right, I'm now I'm moving into six thousand

1037
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: plus pounds. I've moved already at this point.

1038
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1039
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: And people forget though, I mean, going into the losing streak,

1040
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: the Steelers were number one team in the league in

1041
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: time possession. Yeah, yeah, I mean we saw the formula.

1042
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: You know, you saw the formula. You got to control

1043
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 4: the football. You got to run the football for more

1044
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: than four yards of carry for the season, and you know,

1045
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: get first downs and be timely and not turn the

1046
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: ball over and all those things, and then the defense

1047
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: can thrive.

1048
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: And also, you know, when it's not working running run, run,

1049
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: pass your first second, third down and you're third and

1050
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: eight because you didn't get the four yards to carry, right,

1051
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, and that starts to wear and your defense

1052
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: is like, hey man, we're gonna get you the ball

1053
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: back and I've been on the field now, I can't

1054
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: get those interceptions like I did at the beginning of

1055
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: the season, right beginning of the season getting them back.

1056
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: We got them in those situations, and then it flipped

1057
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: course and we couldn't really adjust to it.

1058
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: I think the Steelers defense was still despite everything that happened.

1059
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: At the end of the year, we're still one of

1060
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: the best teams in the league at getting three and outs, Yeah,

1061
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, yeah, but your offense has to

1062
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: do something with that.

1063
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: Well, they have consistently do the same thing that you

1064
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: can't do it to them. You can't have three announces

1065
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: and put them back on the field with bad field position. Yeah.

1066
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it became problem both sides of the ball.

1067
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1068
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean, by the end, obviously neither one you're happy with,

1069
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: you know, right, Yeah, So, I mean you do have

1070
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 2: to get more efficient on offense.

1071
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: It had complimentary football is the word, right, and that's

1072
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: what we see when we watched the successful teams. They

1073
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: played complimentary football, even for the Kansas City Chiefs, right,

1074
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't look beautiful, but they chewed up time.

1075
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: They gave their defense time to rest you know.

1076
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: I mean Mahomes. I remember going into that game on

1077
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Christmas Day and I'm looking at that They're converting fifty

1078
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: two percent of their third downs. Yeah, their offense, they

1079
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: didn't have big plays, but they stayed on the field.

1080
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and people forget because the way the

1081
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 4: season ended, but for much of the year, complimentary football

1082
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: is why the Steelers were winning.

1083
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: I mean, they were really good on.

1084
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 4: Special teams, blocking kicks, big plays, one of the best

1085
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: turnover differential teams in the league, one of the best

1086
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: down defense right absolutely, you know, red zone stuff too,

1087
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like in the margins, they

1088
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: were really good. They weren't a heavily penalized team. They're

1089
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: right in the middle, you know. So that's a hard

1090
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 4: way to live. But they understand what they don't have

1091
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: the homes. They can't just you know, do that turn

1092
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: it on and off like that. You've gotta win the margin.

1093
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Magic points aren't gonna just come up on the board

1094
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: for you, right, every single point.

1095
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: So getting back to that getting again, I think you know, people, people,

1096
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: some people look at this and say, you can't draft

1097
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: the defensive player in the first round. You have to

1098
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: go offense, you have to go offense. You could get

1099
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: the offensive playmakers in free agency, yes, you can. You

1100
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: can adjust and get those kind of things there. Your

1101
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: defense is getting older and you can't.

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00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1103
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: Again, there's the splits with Cam Hayward on and off

1104
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: the field are real. Yeah, especially gets a run again,

1105
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: you know, against the run. It's a difference of a

1106
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: yard and a half when he's out there and when

1107
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: he's not. And he's there for right, what I'm saying, right,

1108
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: And the other thing, I don't think people, you know people,

1109
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: some people just look at it and say, well, they're

1110
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: paying the defense this much money. It's it's got to

1111
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: be the best in the league.

1112
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: That makes me a little crazy.

1113
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: They're paying contracts don't really work. That difference in the

1114
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: difference in the offense versus defense is because of the age.

1115
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: Difference between the offense and the defense. Well, he pays

1116
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: a quarterback any money. The quarterbacks exactly. Your defensive guys,

1117
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: all your stars are on second con our second contract guys. Yes,

1118
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna make more money, yeah, exactly. And your offensive guys,

1119
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: your guy, these guys are all first contracts. They're all rookies,

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00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: and they're just talking about cap pits too.

1121
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: So if you sign a guy, you may have a

1122
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 4: lot invested in them on offense, but he's not a

1123
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: big cap hit that year because you know, he gave

1124
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: all his bonus up front.

1125
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: You know, exactly all all of the cap magic happened. Yeah,

1126
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: you make it look as such, and I think, like

1127
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: you said, well, you're not paying a quarterback. Yeah, it

1128
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: looks a lot more. My offense is gonna beide, it's

1129
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: gonna be very lopsided. Like the cheapest quarterback room in

1130
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: the league. It was, I mean it was eighteen it

1131
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: was the other way.

1132
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly right, right, Yeah, so this offense is

1133
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: gonna be the best offense in the league.

1134
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: It's like, no, but you got an older third contract

1135
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: quarterback who's ab you had left?

1136
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: You had all of those.

1137
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: Guys, so yeah, So I mean it's it's cyclical, right,

1138
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it moves and ebbs and flows on which side.

1139
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, you

1140
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: do want things to be balanced, but that balance is

1141
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: going to come at a year here, a year there,

1142
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: and it's gonna shift in the opposite direction.

1143
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: So it's not the most important thing. You don't have

1144
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: to be fifteenth and spending on both tip sides.

1145
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And I think that important and that's

1146
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: what matters, Like when you're thinking about why the importance

1147
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: of getting a defensive guy in because like you know,

1148
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: the untimely retirement of step on to it. He was

1149
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: a guy you were looking at it as being the

1150
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: next one, and that just derail things, just like when

1151
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: you lost it. Like I talk about this, the Shazier

1152
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: loss and then all the linebacker when you're chasing, you

1153
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: can't plan for that. Now you can't plan for that.

1154
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: You hope that Hey when I when I'm drafting this

1155
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: guy and we get five six get into the second contract.

1156
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: Now we got them for about eight years. But when

1157
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: you have a traumatic event that happens, it messes up

1158
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: the house of cards.

1159
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: And so now we got to hit fast round pick

1160
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: and a hit second round pick that would probably be

1161
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 4: on the team right now or you replacement.

1162
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would now be getting a backup for him,

1163
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: and now you're trying to find a starter. So therefore

1164
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: the illnus is a little bit more and is coming

1165
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: on to it. You would have kept hard grave, you know,

1166
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: the the ripple effects.

1167
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you hadn't trade up, of course exactly, and

1168
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 4: then you'd have something else with you know, you wouldn't

1169
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 4: have You know that the Bush trade up hurt them bad.

1170
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: You know I did.

1171
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: It put them behind and and like you said, for

1172
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: twelve games it was amazing. You're like, I think we

1173
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: got our guy and then he gets injured a lot

1174
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: of this dude, Yeah, it didn't work out. It didn't

1175
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: work out. So I mean, so you have to keep

1176
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: batting right, you know, just like Frand you're not going

1177
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: to bat a thousand, but I need you to hit

1178
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: on sixty percent of these and those are ones that

1179
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: and bottom me out of zero. So you know, defense

1180
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: is the is the priority because we know we can

1181
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: do when they're fresh and they're healthy.

1182
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: We saw it.

1183
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: But when you tire out, you don't have the rotation.

1184
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have the depth there. Unlike a

1185
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Philly hate to say it, but when you're the champ,

1186
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you got to make the comp they have. They can

1187
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: roll two straight lines out there and it's fine. And

1188
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: like you said, they're all on first contract guys. They're

1189
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: all young dudes that have hit. So we got to

1190
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: get back to that. And that's what we're trying to

1191
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: do here. That's why you got to take a couple

1192
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: of bites at the apple. A defensive line, especially in

1193
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: a year where it's super Yeah, if it's deep, you

1194
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: gotta go fishing, right, you know you you want a marlin.

1195
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: I'm fine with the sailfish.

1196
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: I mean, as Cam Hayward is, he's hard to count

1197
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: on that. I mean, that's a scary proposition to be

1198
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: that reliant on a phenomenal all time grade steeler because

1199
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: he's only one guy, and he's older, you know what

1200
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean.

1201
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: And last year was different than the year before, right

1202
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: much so you know what I'm saying. So the year

1203
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: before he's got multiple injuries, he's out there, it doesn't

1204
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: look good. You're like, oh man, he's on the end.

1205
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: But then you watch this year like, oh my god,

1206
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: he's a amazing and it's like we can't depend on that.

1207
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: You can't live and die on one pleasure, just like

1208
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: how we lived on and died on TJ.

1209
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 3: Watt. Like you need Alex Heismith to come along and.

1210
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: Be that Berna Herbi and then a Herbig right, because

1211
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: you need three of those guys in the rotation, just

1212
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: like and we don't have those get hurt. We got

1213
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: two guys on the defensive line that we can really

1214
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: depend on and question marks behind them. You need to

1215
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: get a little bit more depth to where those question

1216
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: marks at least become periods. And I asked for exclamation

1217
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: points yet, but I need a period or not a comma.

1218
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely. He is Max Starks. That's Matt Williamson. I am

1219
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. We are live here at the NFL Scouting

1220
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: Combine here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

1221
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 2: We will be here until five o'clock. So that's gonna

1222
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: do it for another hour. We have one hour left

1223
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: here of our live coverage for today. You can also

1224
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: check out our video on YouTube. We get Tyler vitt

1225
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: Meyer over here running that and extended drive on YouTube.

1226
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: Give people a little bit more of what they want.

1227
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: And but we're gonna take a break right now because

1228
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: some of us have to go to the party.

1229
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: That's true.

1230
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, water break, water break, Yeah, bring it down, the

1231
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: rub us down a little bit. Come back for the

1232
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Speaker 2: last hour. We'll do that right after this