1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio. Here's 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: my question for you today, Samantha. Yes, what is your 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: favorite karaoke song? Oh, that's a cruel question because I 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: have you got to give a handful all about that. 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Uh let me think. So. I do love a good 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Fiona Apple song. Uh huh, and Criminal is usually the 8 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: one I go to. I think everybody loves that. Um. 9 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: I will also do every now and then, if I'm 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: feeling really courageous a salt and pepper song, but I'm 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: not good at it. I've seen this happen. You pulled 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: me up once and I was very you didn't know 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: what was happening, and that's when I realized we have 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: very different tastes in music. No, I knew this song, 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: but I had been like talking to someone and all 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was like, pulled up the song. 17 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: That's what it was. So wait, so what is yours? Oh? 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't say no scraps tlc Oh. I 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: do love a good note. See that's what I'm saying. 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: There's so many Yeah, you have to do say my 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: name a lot. I do a lot of Dusty's Child. 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: It's true m TLC Destiny's Child all day. Yeah, yeah, 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: that's what I associate every time I hear those songs, 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: I think of you. So yes, yes, handover Heart is warranted. Um, 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: mine are much nerdier than yours because I love the 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: classic Mulan Yeah, man a'st I feel like that's all 27 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: of the house stuff work producer Andrew really loves. Yeah. Honestly, 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I picked the ones that are goofy 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: that I know like everyone's going to get into. Like 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: now I've started choosing the Pokemon song because people always 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: sing it like I don't know that song, but I 32 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: like choosing it because everyone gets into it. Yeah I 33 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: didn't either, but now I love it and I do 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: it every time. I believe that's also a producer Andrews 35 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: preference as well, the Pokemon song. Yeah yeah, him and 36 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: are other past super producer on the show, Dylan, I 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: used to really love well, I love my shot from Hamilton's, 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: but they were what is the one? People always are like, 39 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: you have to sing this one. It's just my thing 40 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: now and I don't know how it really happens. The um, well, 41 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: what is the song you used, the Radiohead song that 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: you creep where I started crying on stage. That was 43 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: a different time of my life. I'm not in that period. 44 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: I have moved on. Oh it's um, oh my gosh, 45 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: get back by Ludicrous, Get back by Ludicrous? Really yeah, 46 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen you do this. 47 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I do it like every time because people I did 48 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: it once. Now everyone requested is like, you have to 49 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: get up there and do it. Um. I do know 50 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: all the words. I could do it without the lyrics. 51 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Why right now? I want to do Evil by Tiffany 52 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: Hattish from the Lego To movie. But no Karakee Place 53 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: has it. It's a shame. That's my next what I'm 54 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: going to tackle. You can do that too. Yes. Anyway, 55 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: moving on from karaokey uh, today we are talking about 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: a topic that used the Mantha You have been dying 57 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: on my list for a couple of years now. Yes, 58 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: and I'm very, very very excited that we finally got 59 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: to approach and get into it and not I mean 60 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: we got into it as much as we could because 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: there's so much to impact, but it was so good. Yes. 62 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: So what we're talking about is massage noir, and particularly 63 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: when we look at women in the hip hop industry 64 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and what does that look like? And to have this 65 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: conversation today eves wonderful eaves from female. First, she put 66 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: us in touch with a friend of hers, Kiana Fitzgerald, 67 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: who is an amazing writer and uh she joined us 68 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: have this conversation and was fantastic, such a delight. So 69 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: without further ado, let's get into it. We like to 70 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: start with a very basic, simple question. Can you introduce 71 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: yourself to our audience and tell us a little bit 72 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: about yourself? Absolutely. My name is Keiana Fitzgerald. I am 73 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: a freelance writer, a cultural critic, and a DJ, and 74 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: I've written for a bunch of different places at this point. 75 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: But I got my start at MPR, which is a 76 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: very very great stroke of look and I was able 77 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: to finesse that into UM a full time position there 78 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: after an internship, and then I kind of bounced to 79 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: round to a couple of different companies before many get complex, 80 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: and there I was able to really dig into hip 81 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: hop and UM the way that we kind of interact 82 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: with our artists, with our influencers, with our producers, UM, 83 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: just all kinds of the intricacies of what makes hip 84 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: hop hip hop. So Ever since UM I left Complex 85 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: Um early last year or twenty nineteen, I've been freelancing, 86 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: as I said, and I've been able to work with 87 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone, with Billboard, Okay, Player, Um, The Cut, Nylon Magazine, 88 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: a bunch of different cool places. I did a cover 89 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: story on Megan Thee Stallion for Paper magazine last summer. 90 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: It was one of the most exciting things I've ever done. 91 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, I've just kind of been trying to uh 92 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: parlay my experiences into a bigger career that I couldn't 93 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: have dreamed that I could have so, and we're so 94 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: excited to have you. I'm not gonna lie um as 95 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: we've been getting prepared for our interview. Of course, I'm 96 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: stalking you on the clips. That's what we do. That's 97 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: that's the professionalist in me. But yeah, and reading all 98 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: your articles you're doing, you do such a fantastic job 99 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: and writing about your interviews and just your interactions is fantastic. 100 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: And I love how you make it as I don't 101 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: know what it is, but the way you have the 102 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: conversations or the back and forth, it's almost like you're 103 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: wrapping in that conversation, so I was I was like, 104 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm kind of bopped into this even though 105 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: just read that's fantastic, so good and and it's such 106 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: a beautiful I love, especially with what we're talking about today, 107 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: and we're talking about uh, massage, noir and hip hop 108 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and what is happening in that industry. And it's been 109 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: something on my mind for a while. I know Annie 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: and I talked about it when I first joined stuff. 111 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: I've never told you a couple of years ago that 112 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: this is something that I want to tackle. You want 113 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: to talk about it because it's so intriguing to see 114 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: an industry that is so influential but at the same 115 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: time it holds women back in such a way. But 116 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: at the same time this challenge as those who can 117 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: make it who can't. Of course, that goes into the 118 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: bigger conversation of what's happening within the industry and itself 119 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: when in a time of black Lives matter, UM say 120 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: her name and me too hashtag me too. So the 121 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: big conversation and again, thank you so much for joining 122 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: us UH, because I have ten thousand things I want 123 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: to talk about with you, Like I kind of already 124 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: know you from the articles that you write, and I know, 125 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: by the way, I also went through your Patreon fantastic. 126 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. You're so much open and vulnerable and of 127 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: course we're gonna get that information out. Um. But yeah, 128 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: one of the big articles I know you talked about 129 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: was from and tell us why can there only be 130 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: one dominant woman in rap? And I've been asking this 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: question for not only just in rap, but in all 132 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: of professionalism, all of hobbies, anything. Why is there such 133 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: limited space for women? And then when we talk about 134 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: black women, even less in women of color, even less space. Um? 135 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 1: And you talk about the theory of social constructionist theory, 136 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: which was fantastic. Can you talk a little bit more 137 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: about that and how it relates and effects hip hop 138 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: and how it limits women? I know there's three questions, 139 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: but oh no, sure, well I will say, I haven't 140 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: read that article since, so I'm like, what did I read? Um? 141 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: So can you refresh my memory on that theory? I'm sorry, 142 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: No, no no, no, you're great, you get you pretty much 143 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: just talk about um. You actually quote and say once 144 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: the leading cast of female rappers dwindle the space for 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: women in wrap restricted by default if there are fewer 146 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: women wrapping at prominent levels, then there's less room needed 147 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: for them, And isn't like if it's filled, then it's done. 148 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: Is over? And then you talk a lot about the 149 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: competition because you're talking specifically about Nicki Minaj and Cardi 150 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: B and then you even and from my era, Foxy 151 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: Brown and uh Kim a little Kim, and you talk 152 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: about that whole like feud and it didn't come around 153 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: until Missy Elliott and they did a Ladies Night, yes, 154 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: and that kind of like, oh wow, look at this, 155 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: women together can wrap together and support each other. What 156 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: is this? But you kind of talk about what is 157 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: it that men are so afraid of that they have 158 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: to constrict the space for women so they don't have 159 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: people to compete with. Absolutely, So Yeah, in writing that article, 160 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: I was really just surrounded, um, you know, in the 161 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: complex office by a bunch of men, you know, and 162 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,359 Speaker 1: we were always talking about you know, two and Savage 163 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: little Yahti, like all these men, and I was just 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: kind of like, when we have these conversations, we talked 165 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: about either one woman, no women, or maybe two women 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: at a time. And I just wanted to get to 167 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: the bottom of why the conversations were so you know, restricted, 168 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: and I just delved into as much as I could 169 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: find about the way that we interact with each other 170 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: as a society and the way that we interact with 171 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: each other within our own you know, spaces of music, 172 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: of culture, of you know, of knitting or what her 173 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, like all these different things that that we 174 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: interact with on a regular basis. I wanted to really 175 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of why are women so often 176 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: told that we don't fit in or told that we 177 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: can't be a part of something, even though we've been 178 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: there since the beginning, even though we've been supporting those 179 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: cultures since the beginning. So I really wanted to just 180 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: um shed light on the fact that there doesn't have 181 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: to just be one dominant woman as we've seen, you know, 182 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: even in the past six months, like Flomilius come out, 183 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: like skin Kishas come out, But there are so many beautiful, amazing, 184 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: talented wrapper mulatto um that are coming out, and it's 185 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: like we don't have like the conversation that we were 186 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: having in eighteen We've evolved from that and I'm grateful 187 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: for it, but there are still like obstacles that we 188 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: need to face and obstacles that we need to overcome. 189 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, in terms of that that period in time, 190 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: it was literally Nikki or Cardi, like there was no 191 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: way around it. And like you said, it kind of 192 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: harkened back to the Kim versus Fox era where it 193 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: was like, well, you can only pick one who's your favorite? 194 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: Who's your favorite? And it's like, well I love them 195 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: both and I can't pick, you know, and that's you know, 196 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: I I'm not gonna lie. I was team Cardi and 197 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: twet eighteen. But that was that was more so because 198 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: of like you know, she was young and fresh and exciting, 199 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: and she seemed like a person that I would have 200 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: wanted to hang out with. And Vicky is very much 201 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: a diva, which is not a bad thing, but um, 202 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: you know, I just like I like I thought she 203 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: was more personable. So um at that point in the 204 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: article itself, I did not, like, you know, lay out 205 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: my my allegiance, but um, I was very much just 206 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: trying to investigate why we were even having the conversation 207 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: of one woman being dominant at a time, right, and 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: you did. You made a great point about the fact 209 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: that it was the patriarchy and misogyny and itself that 210 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: penned them against each other. It wasn't even them. At 211 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: one point, you even even talked about her um Cardi's 212 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: tweet saying, y'all try something and it's not anything. You're 213 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: just hanging here. She's like, we could be making out. 214 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: Neil is still gonna say exactly hating and see each other. 215 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: And that's exactly kind of what you were talking about, 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: was like, this is not I mean, I take it. 217 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Since then things exploded, but at that point in time 218 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: it didn't. And and at that point, Cardi was talking 219 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: about how much she loved Nikki and looked up to 220 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: Nicki Nash and and how big of an influence she 221 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: was before they started going back and forth and having 222 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: a feud, and she had gotten the first number one 223 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: hit as a rapper, a female rapper, and everybody congratulator are, 224 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: including Nicki Minaj. Yeah, and it's kind of like who's 225 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: making this happen and who does this benefit? Yeah, and 226 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: you talk about that, Yeah, it's it's definitely like you know, 227 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: like I was saying, just the microcosm of being in 228 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: the complex office and hearing the conversations there that kind 229 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: of like you can extrapolate that out and talk about 230 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: like the media in general, especially like black culture media, 231 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, the breakfast club, that kind of thing, Like 232 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: they really perpetuate a lot of that conversation. So um, 233 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, it just gets to a point where you 234 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: either try to ignore those conversations that are happening or 235 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: you get embattled in these conversations yourself, and you're like 236 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: in the comments in the shade room, like going back 237 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: and forth with people like arguing or whatever, like trying 238 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: to trying to just like make a point about the 239 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: fact that there doesn't need to be like this small, 240 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, finite amount of space for women, and um, 241 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, when I wrote that article, 242 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: I got a lot of great feedback, but it's still 243 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: kind of felt like I was screaming into avoid you know, 244 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: it felt like I didn't quite have the like I wanted. 245 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: I wanted like a huge conversation to happen. I wanted 246 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: it to be like let's talk about this and like 247 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: it happened in my immediate circle, but like it didn't 248 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: really happen as far as like now we're having this 249 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: conversation on a podcast that is not about music. Or 250 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: hip hop specifically, like, this is what I wanted to happen. 251 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: And so I'm very very happy and grateful that we're 252 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: having this conversation now. And and you're right. Even when 253 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: your article came out, people referenced to your article because 254 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: there was not a lot of conversation to it. Nobody 255 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: were actually writing it out or actually digging into it, 256 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: and you did. You came out with some studies. You're 257 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: like this study and this study. It was fantastic, even 258 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: though people have been talking about it, even though people 259 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: say that there's a problem and it's the obvious answer 260 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: is misogyny, patriarchy and saturn noir is there, of course, 261 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: but how do we break this down? And you did. 262 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: You talked a lot about it and even went through 263 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: like a generational point because you kind of brought it 264 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: up again. And when you talked to making the stallion 265 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: and talking about what it would look like if the 266 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: Ladies Night was refrained and she did it, and who 267 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: would be and then how many people would be it is, 268 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: she was like I'd have twenty people, yeah, exactly, which 269 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: is even better. Um. But yeah, and you kind of 270 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: already tapped into this because you talked about that, there's 271 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: more names, and I know you interviewed The City Girls, which, 272 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: by the way, I was listening to that as I 273 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: was doing More Reasons, all of this, all of this, 274 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: But do you still see that whole limiting space, the 275 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: fact that they say, Okay, here's your three girls enjoyed, 276 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: here's your three female rappers enjoy That's it, that's all 277 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: you can have. Do you see it still see that 278 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: happening today? Well? Um, I definitely want to reference a 279 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: song that just came out, um with the City Girls. 280 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: It's the dow It remix by Chloe and Hallie. So 281 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: the City Girls are on it, Mulatto's on it, in 282 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: doga Cat is on it, and I was like, oh 283 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: my god, this is like a mini ladies night, Like 284 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: I was so excited. Um, So yeah, I think that 285 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: fortunately over the past couple of years, and I'm not 286 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: sure if it's because Cardi was like such a phenomenon 287 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: and we were like, we want more of that for 288 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: what But um, that door has kind of been kicked 289 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: open and women are just starting to pour through, especially 290 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: like I said, in the last six months, they're like Chica, 291 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe I forgot to mention her. 292 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: I did a cover store in her like last week fantastic. 293 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: That's the article I'm specifically talking about where it just 294 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: felt like it was like a bopp in its writing. Yes, absolutely, yes, 295 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: So you know like as I'm talking, I'm like, oh, her, oh, 296 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: her oh her like and that's like That's what I've 297 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: always wanted, is to just be able to like have 298 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: a conversation and be able to mention like more than 299 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: like you know, five women at a time, like hold 300 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: up one hand and lame, this is this is this, 301 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: and that's it. Like at this point, it's like I 302 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: have friends that put me onto like new women, and 303 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: I am just like thrilled that we have more space 304 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: because for such even though like it was just a 305 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, it felt like it lasted for 306 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: so long that it was like Nikki or Cardi, there 307 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: is no in between, like and even like the City 308 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: Girls came up right around that time, and nobody was 309 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: really talking about them, you know, like like Drake, you know, 310 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: had the in My Feeling song and you mentioned them 311 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: and they were featured on it, like you know, in 312 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: their and their own kind of chopped up way, you know, 313 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: it was still like they weren't a part of the 314 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: bigger conversation yet, you know, and it's like now it's 315 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: like they you know, they're they're everywhere, and you know, 316 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: do Jaquet is everywhere. She had her number one as well. Um, 317 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: you know, so it's very exciting. I'm just like super 318 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: thrilled and I can't wait to see how many more 319 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: women come through the door, right yeah, And sort of 320 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: going off of that, when we're talking about this limited 321 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: space for female rappers and how that is changing, Um, 322 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: we do have some numbers of women in the industry. So, um, 323 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: women actually only make up about twenty two percent of artists, 324 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: twelve point three percent of songwriters, and only two percent 325 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: of producers. And this is from studies, so that is 326 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: from when you were talking when it was Cardi B 327 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: Dickie manage. So things have changed. Um. And if we 328 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: look at Grammy nominees we see a similar thing. Um. 329 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: So what is it about this industry do you think 330 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: makes it so hard for women to break into? That's 331 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: that's a great question, to be honest, Like, I think 332 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: it's like so many other industries where men kind of 333 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: shoehorned themsel elves into positions of power and made it 334 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: so that so an aside I want to talk about. 335 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, there's a documentary that just came out called 336 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: UM on the Record, and it talks about UM Russell 337 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: Simmons and using his position of power to basically coerce, harass, allegedly, 338 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, I want to make that clear assault women. 339 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: And you know, a slew of women came forward, have 340 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: come forward and talked about their experiences with him, and 341 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: that's not an isolated situation. Like men often, especially in 342 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: the music industry, UM, men often use their power to 343 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: to lord it over women and say, hey, you know, 344 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: do this for me and then you'll get your record. Um. 345 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: You know, there have been plenty of women who have 346 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: been buried because they either didn't do what they were 347 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: asked to do or they did it and then the 348 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: men just threw them to the side because they got 349 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: what they wanted. So um, you know, there are some 350 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: powerful women who have kind of been able to escape 351 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: those clutches. But yeah, I mean men, I don't want 352 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: to be like men are terrible, but like you know, 353 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like as as with anybody that 354 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: gets you know, an inkling of power you wanna, you 355 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: want to wield it, you know, you wanna you want 356 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: to throw it around, and you want to see what 357 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: you can get out of somebody, and um, you know, 358 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: so for so long, I feel like women were excluded 359 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: because they either went with the route and then they 360 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: were found out and it was like, oh, well she 361 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: did that for that, so what is she willing to 362 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: do for this? Or they didn't do it at all 363 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: and then they were just like closed out. So UM, 364 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: I feel like that's especially the case with music, um, 365 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: especially with hip hop specifically. And thankfully we do have 366 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: some pioneers like the Queen Latifa's, like the Salt and 367 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: Peppers who were able to like escape by those issues 368 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: because they were like, I don't know, I wish I 369 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: could have a conversation with them and ask them how 370 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: they were able to work around that. But um, yeah, 371 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: for the most part, I just feel like, especially in 372 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: an industry like hip hop, where the lyrics you know, 373 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: from like the nineties to now have been about like, 374 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: you know, sex and what they want from women and 375 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: how they treat women and what they do with women 376 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. Um, you know, it's 377 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: it's explicit it's right there in your face, and so 378 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm confused about why we won't just admit that that's 379 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: what's going on. You know. I feel like people don't 380 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: really talk about that. And I'm glad that this on 381 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: the record documentary came out because up until like I 382 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: want to say, last month, and even I was watching, um, 383 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, the rough Rider's Chronicles that BT put out, 384 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: and Russell Simmons popped up and I was like, what, 385 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: you know, like it's it just it's still He's still there. 386 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like people are not gonna, like ever 387 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: sit him to the side and be like, Okay, this 388 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: is someone that did a lot for the culture, but 389 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: he also did a lot to harm the culture. And 390 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: who knows how much further we would be if he 391 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: hadn't done what he had done allegedly. So um, yeah, 392 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: I feel like hip hop is just an industry where 393 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: women are treated as accessories, as you know, as objects, 394 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: as not human beings. And I really hope that things 395 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: are changing now. Um, you know, we'll talk more about 396 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: how women are really seen as you know, especially black 397 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: women aren't really seen as fully realized human beings. Um, 398 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, for now, I just want to say that, yeah, 399 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: hip hop is has got some issues, and I really 400 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: hope that we take some time to address it. I mean, 401 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into that, even with the Megan day 402 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: Stallion controversy, not even controversy, things that she went through 403 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: the fact that she had gotten shot and because jokes 404 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: and continued like dismissal of her pain, because of the stereotypes, 405 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: because of this idea that black women not only should 406 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: be stronger than everybody else, but should defend everybody else, 407 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: even when they're the victims, and it just has this 408 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: thing and because that's so ingraded to a certain degree 409 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: that there's a level of protection of we know what's 410 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: happening when at last are called and we know what's 411 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: what we see, and so therefore what is the lesser 412 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: evil and what's the better choice? And then still being 413 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: raped over the coals for it, trying to instill being 414 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: the villain in this story is just such a whole thing, 415 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: and I'm very baffled, and I'm I'm just like this 416 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: whole level of where we are in me too, because 417 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the things that I didn't 418 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: want to get into as well. And the hashtag Meto era, 419 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: it seemed like, even though it's started by a black woman, 420 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: it seemed like a lot of hip hop kind of 421 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: got away with it, kind of scared by it. Took 422 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: forever for even r Kelly Tactic answer some of the 423 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: things that he's been accused of, and it became a 424 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: documentary and we already know kind of the history of 425 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: him and Aaliyah, And you're kind of like baffled, like 426 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: it's right there, it's right there, exactly exactly, Yeah, how 427 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: do you see has it? And maybe it's just me, 428 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Maybe he's me beyond the outskirts of enjoying it as 429 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: just entertainment and not understand the culture behind it and 430 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: the depths of it being from the country of Georgia. Um, 431 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: but have you seen a big effect in the hip 432 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: hop industry with the hashtag meto movement? Oh lord, umus, 433 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: I know, I mean it's it's loaded, But like I 434 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: I sigh, because nothing has happened. Um, you know, and 435 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, with the exception of Russell Simmons and even 436 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: that is like still up in the air. Um. You know, 437 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: there there are people who I've listened to, UM who 438 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: I was a big fan of, Um you know, just 439 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: like from from older people, like you know, I think 440 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: I think Nelly was accused of something, um. And then 441 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: there are these younger kids, um that that I listened 442 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: to a lot, like in twent sixteen, and you know, 443 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: I just kind of went down a rabbit hole and 444 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I saw these stories that these girls were putting out 445 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: and they were just kind of like he did this 446 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: and I and I was just like, no, this is unbelievable, 447 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Like I love this kid, and um, you know, it's 448 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: it's really bizarre because aside from those like you know, 449 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: four on pages that I was on, nobody's talking about it. 450 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: Nobody's getting canceled. And I feel like cancelation is like, 451 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's nothing like at the end of the day, 452 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: like unless you're going to prison, like you're not getting canceled, 453 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: and um, you know. So I feel like hip hop 454 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: hasn't been hit by the me too movement yet, and 455 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: I I'm nervous because I feel like it's inevitable, especially 456 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, after the Megan situation and her coming out 457 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: and saying Tory Lanes did this, like it took a 458 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: lot for her to do that, and I I can 459 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: only imagine, like how stressful that was for her. But 460 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: I feel like she did it because you know, we 461 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: were in a situation where men can do pretty much anything, 462 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: like they can, you know, beat their wives, they can 463 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, force their women to have abortions, like they 464 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: can do all these things, and they'll still like get 465 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: a feature with a Kindrick Lamar or something like that. 466 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: You know. Um, So it's like it's just really disheartening 467 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: to be honest, because you know, I'll be like with 468 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: a friend and what are be listening to something? And 469 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: then a song by one of those artists will come 470 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: on and I'll be like, can we not listen to this? 471 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: And they're like why not? And I'm like have you 472 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: have you not heard anything? It's like, you know, it's 473 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: like I'm in the silo where I'm like getting all 474 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: this information and I'm making personal decisions about what I 475 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: prefer to listen to or not to listen to now 476 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: and I'm still out and not now because we're in COVID, 477 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: but like you know, when I was like out and 478 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: about um, you know, like at certain places or you know, 479 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: hanging out with friends, and um, you know, even uh 480 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: the late XXX Sentaton like you know he was somebody 481 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: that was wildly popular. Had co Science by Kendrick, had 482 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: co Science by I think Kanye West at one point. 483 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: That kid had a lot of issues. He was very talented, 484 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: he was He's one of the ones that I was 485 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: listening to back in UM. He was very very talented, 486 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: but he was very very challenged, you know, in a 487 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: lot of emotional ways. And he took that out allegedly, 488 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: but you know, not really allegedly on you know, the 489 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: girl that he was dating and his fans, scores of fans. 490 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: You know, I would write about him. I remember I 491 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: wrote an article about him for Complex and they tore 492 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: me to pieces, like they were just like, you don't 493 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: know anything about him. He didn't do this, he blah 494 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. And then like you know, like 495 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: literal audio recordings of him admitting it would come out 496 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: and they would still be like, but he didn't do it. 497 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: He didn't admit it. So you know, it's just kind 498 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: of like I just I don't know if hip hop 499 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: will ever be affected like as much as Hollywood was, 500 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, like after UM it kind of took off there. 501 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's something that I'm definitely interested in seeing 502 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: how things play out over the next couple of years. Um. 503 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's it's a very it's a conundrum 504 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: for sure, right. I mean we can look at one 505 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: of the best examples, Chris Brown. Yeah, and he just 506 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: made a number one hit. I mean it just came 507 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: out that he just made in one of V M 508 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: A or something. Right, It's kind of like, Oh, and 509 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: again this kind of goes back to the whole idea though, 510 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: in the protection bit, because I've heard this many times 511 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: and I can see that too, that he's most likely 512 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: to be like he did what he did and it 513 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: was wrong. Yeah, he's going to be more villainized than 514 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: a white celebrity. And so therefore, how do you balance this, 515 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: Like how do you balance justice at the same time 516 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: and justice correctly done across the boards. It's kind of 517 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: one of those things. And again it comes back to 518 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: the question of black women feeling the need to protect 519 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: their men black or not just their men black that 520 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: in general, and not having that reciprocated or often than not. 521 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: And I've said the word sage noir a lot and 522 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: I haven't explained it. Do you want to explain it? Um? Sure, Yeah, 523 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: I mean, in a the long and the short of 524 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: it is, massagynar is basically any kind of like action 525 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: or thought that is opposing like the values in the 526 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: the humanization of women, and massageynar is specifically about black women. 527 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: And that's something that goes back thousands of years, you know, 528 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: something that we have been dealing with since we got 529 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: to America. Feeling as if, um, black women are superhuman, 530 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: so they can withhold or with sand inordinate amounts of pain. 531 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: Um you know that they can bear like any kind 532 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: of hardship without feeling emotion. Um it's basically this thought 533 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: that black women don't deserve the same respect or the 534 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: same like extension of concern as a white woman, as 535 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: a white man, um as anybody that is not deemed 536 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: the baseline of like you know, when you turn on 537 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: the TV, who do you see? You know, it's like 538 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: typically it's going to be a white man or white woman. 539 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: So um so yeah, it's definitely just it's a term 540 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: that like I didn't become familiar with until um I 541 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: moved out of Texas, you know, and that was like 542 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: I had experienced it for sure, but um I didn't. 543 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know what the word to put to it 544 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: was until I got to NPR and I started talking 545 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: to like Jeane Demby, and he's super smart, you know, 546 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, so I'm like, oh, what's 547 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: this word? You know? So I'm like doing my googles 548 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: and trying to figure it out, and I'm like, oh, snap, 549 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: Like this is exactly what I've experienced in the past, exactly. 550 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was termed in two thousand ten by 551 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: Maya Bailey because it's so specific that it needed it. 552 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: It it's kind of how we talked about intersectional feminism 553 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: and while we have to differentiate that from feminism, why 554 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: that is so important And you see that as the 555 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: layer of oh, this is bad, but this is even worse, 556 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: and this is where we're falling apart here and it's 557 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: a bigger issue. And until this is resolved, the bad 558 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: thing can't be resolved. And it's kind of the same thing. 559 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: And it is interesting that we've gotten to the point, 560 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: and that's kind of hip hop in general, um and 561 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: especially black women coin And we talked about language for 562 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: a while, kind of point many of phrases that we 563 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: use today and that is popular, that is very useful 564 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: in this word specific today is it is exactly what 565 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: it is, and it's exactly why we have a breakdown, 566 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: and misogyny can't be resolved until massogy noir is resolved first, exactly, 567 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: So thank you. Sorry, I can't realize I throw words 568 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: around without explaining this and forget that not everyone has 569 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: to so not everyone has this job. Sorry, we have 570 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: a lot more to cover in this conversation, listeners, but 571 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: first we have a quick break for work Timmer sponsors 572 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsors. Let's get back into it. So, um, 573 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: if we if we look specifically at Megan the stallion, Um, 574 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: why do you think there is such a divide when 575 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: it comes to believing her or victim blaming her? Well, 576 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, number one, as we are, this 577 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: whole conversation is about number one. She's a woman, So 578 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: we're not gonna listen to a woman over a man 579 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: just because of how the society has built Number two, 580 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: she's a black woman. We just talked about massage and 581 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: nor and number three she's extremely attractive. You know, she's 582 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: someone that has built her career on how beautiful she is. 583 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: And that's not like I remember when I first started 584 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: listening to her, I was like, wow, Like she is 585 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: so subversive, Like she figured out a way to turn 586 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: men's desires into her own power and really like come 587 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: into her own and step into her own and be 588 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: somebody who knows exactly what she wants and knows exactly 589 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: how to you know, distribute like her feelings of strength 590 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: to her listeners. So, um, yeah, she's very very sexual. 591 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: She's very attractive, and she uses her body in a 592 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: way that like a lot of people don't. You know, 593 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 1: She's just very very um innovative in that way. And 594 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: I think that because her body is such a big 595 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: part of her her act, I think people don't take 596 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: assaults on her body as seriously as they would a 597 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, you know, who doesn't like go out there 598 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: and t work and like doesn't like do things that 599 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: that the people like Megan or um you know, other 600 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: rappers who may following her footstep ups do so um yeah. 601 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: I think it has a lot to do with the 602 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: fact that we're so used to like objectifying her and 603 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: now we're like taking that to another level in terms 604 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: of okay, like now you know, oh she got shot 605 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: in the foot. Oh that's funny. Like she works with 606 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: her feet. Uh ha, Let's make a joke about like 607 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: the fact that she can't work anymore, and like where 608 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: is her money going to come from? And we're not 609 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: gonna think, you know, it's just like this this like 610 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: extension and extension, Like it just goes beyond um, you know, 611 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: any real point of concern. And that's the thing. Like 612 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with some friends recently and we 613 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: were just kind of like, if she had been killed, 614 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: like this would be a completely different story. Like it'd 615 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: be like, oh, this is tragic. She was so young, 616 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: she was so talented, but she got shot, like and 617 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't life threatening thing goodness, And now it's like, oh, 618 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, we you know, we can wipe our brow 619 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: on that one and move on. But let's like crack 620 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: some jokes along the way. Um you know. I think 621 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. And it's like it's 622 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: really frustrating because say Tory Lanes have been shot by somebody, 623 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: it would be a different situation. It would be like, 624 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: oh my god, he survived. Um, you know, he's while 625 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: he's a real man now, like he you know, he's 626 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: you know, fifty cent got shot nine times and he 627 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, like he used that in a song, like 628 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: he made a movie about it. You know, it's like 629 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: it's all this stuff. So it's like why when a 630 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: man goes through a certain situation, like we say that 631 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: this is like proven that he's like a g you know, 632 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: like he made it out. He he made it through. 633 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: But when a woman gets shot, it's like, let's crack 634 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: jokes and let's pretend like she's not actually healing right now, right? Um? Yeah. 635 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: And as in fact, as I'm watching the comments unfold 636 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: and the misogynalsogy, Noir was ridiculously staggering everything from him 637 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: blaming her because he was masculine. And when I'm just 638 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: old thinking, like, who the hell thing she's masculine? Have 639 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: you seen her exactly? I mean nothing about her those masculine. 640 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: She's got a deep voice, Okay, she raps. How is 641 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: that making her any more masculine than anyone? You say 642 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: that's masculine, that's a whole new definition. That's fine because 643 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: that that needs to go out the window anyway. But 644 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: like that she was too masculine to be empathized with. 645 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: They couldn't empathize with that because obviously she can handle it, 646 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: or just saying that she was getting um she knew 647 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: what she was getting into because of the person that 648 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: she was with, as if she deserved it, because she 649 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: gave a man a chance that may have a volatile 650 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: past or may talk a big game about having a 651 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: volatile past um, or just plain now saying she's lying 652 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: that that those things just kind of blew my mind. 653 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here watching that unfold. I'm going why she's 654 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: not even the one that's saying anything. And until people 655 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: started accusing her of this BS, she finally had to 656 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: be like, hey, stop, this is not funny. I have 657 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: to defend myself. Why do you think this is often 658 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: the action for violence against black women and especially in 659 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: the music industry. You kind of already talking into that, 660 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: But again, why do you think this is just the 661 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: automatic reaction? Because we saw that happen to Rihanna too, Yeah, 662 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: Rihanna until her platures were leaked. Yeah, I think a 663 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: big part of this is. I mean, and she kind 664 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: of like came out later and like showed her feet, 665 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: like where she had the stitches and everything like that. 666 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: Like I think just culturally, we're in a place where 667 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: if we don't see it. We don't connect to it, 668 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: like we're especially because of like you know, the Black 669 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement and like you know, us seeing so 670 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 1: much violence against black people on a regular basis, Like 671 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, like Brianna Taylor, for example, we didn't see 672 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: that happen, so we don't have justice for her, you know. 673 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: Like but with George Floyd, um, we saw that happen. 674 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: I didn't watch it. I can't watch it before of 675 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: those videos, but you know, it's like we saw that happen, 676 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: and he was a man, so it was kind of like, okay, 677 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: like this is serious. Let's get on the streets. Even 678 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: though we have this VI was going on, Let's do 679 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: whatever we need to do to get this done. And 680 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: and so to bring it back to Megan, Um, you know, 681 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: because we didn't see her actually like you know, get shot. 682 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of why people are like, 683 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, she's lying or let's make a joke or 684 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: let's do this or whatever. Like I think that's a 685 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: big part of it. But also, you know, like like 686 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: we were saying, after the Chris Brownd and Rihanna situation happened, 687 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were still hesitant to 688 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: believe Rihanna or or quick to say, well what does 689 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: she do to him? You know, like it's always like how, 690 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: like how did this situation play out? As if it's 691 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: any of our business? Number one and number two, Um, 692 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, like just just the simple fact that we're 693 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: not privy to the conversations that these people have, the 694 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: relationships that these people have, the way that they interact 695 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: with each other. There are so many layers to this, 696 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's like, you know, I unfortunately I have 697 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: like friends and family members who have been in abusive 698 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: situations and um, even like in public, and people have 699 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: like not done anything to help them. And it's like, 700 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, like there was a specific situation where, um, 701 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: someone that I know was you know being hit outside 702 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: of a club and then when she started hitting the man, 703 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: that's when everybody came up and was like, well, what 704 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: are you doing? You can't do that, you can't do that. 705 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, as a black woman, we 706 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: just expect people too to always defend the black man. 707 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: And it's I think it's because black men have been 708 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: through so much historically, you know, from him until um, 709 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, there there are so many stories that we 710 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: don't even know that black men have been through. So 711 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: it's like we automatically want to wrap our arms around 712 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: them and say, hey, we got you, Like we're never 713 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: gonna let you down, We're never gonna like put you 714 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: out on the street, We're never going to do this. 715 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: So that's a big part of it as well. But yeah, 716 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: with Megan, I just it's just it's mind boggling. Like 717 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: you said, it's baffling. It's I I can't make cancer 718 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: tales of it. And for that reason, like and a 719 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: few other reasons, but definitely because it was like, because 720 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: of that situation, I took a step away from social media. 721 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know what is going 722 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: on with people anymore, like to make a joke about 723 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: somebody being shot, like literally like come on. So um, yeah, 724 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: that's a long way of saying she deserves way more 725 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: than she's getting, right, and you are right. Maybe part 726 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: of this is the normalizing of having gun incidents, which 727 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: is baffling in itself, because I'm like, if you think 728 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: on your own, how many of you had, you know, 729 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: people who want to make these criticisms really have that 730 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: at several level of experience. You know, it's just kind 731 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: of like, why are we taking this as if it's 732 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: not a big deal. Shot, no matter where, no matter 733 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: what whatever, being shot is a trauma period. So this 734 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: is a whole weird conversation that we're having that it's 735 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 1: like not a big deal. Yeah, that's a big deal. 736 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: It's a huge deal. But yeah, I just I think 737 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm just it's just watching this unfold. There's so many things, 738 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: but this is watching this unfold in the middle of 739 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: what is happening in our country and itself is just 740 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: very evident of why movements like say her name is important, 741 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: Why movements? Uh, like these conversations that we're having with 742 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: me too, like why these are important? But it's not 743 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: being recognized in the areas that need really need to 744 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: focus on exactly. Yeah, And it's like there's like this 745 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 1: nucleus of like impenetrable like layers that hip hop exists in. 746 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: You know, it's like we can't we can't like fight 747 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: our way into it for some reason, and right, I 748 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 1: think it's man like hip hop is just a huge thing, 749 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, like it's the most listen to genre in 750 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: the world and or at least in the us, and um, 751 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: it's just like an incredible force. It informs so much 752 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: of what we do culturally, not just black culture, pop 753 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: culture at large. It's such a big part of how 754 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: we function. And I think for that reason, we're afraid 755 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: to really take it, you know, take it down to size. 756 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: We're afraid to like pare it down and say, here 757 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: are the rotten layers and let's get to the core 758 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: and let's try to figure out like how we can 759 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: make this better for everybody, because right now it's like men, 760 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, like men running, men reap the rewards. Um. 761 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: And that's just talking about the people that we see visibly, 762 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: Like we're not talking about the white men at the 763 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: top who are really making the money. Um. And you 764 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: know who knows the conversations that they're having up there. 765 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: You know about artists like an XXX artist like a 766 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: rich the Kid or a famous dexter who um, have 767 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:09,479 Speaker 1: literally been documented doing heinous things and nothing happens. So um, yeah, 768 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like these artists are you know, 769 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: cash cows for a lot of a lot of these 770 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: labels and a lot of these companies. And I think 771 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: that there might be some orchestrations behind the scenes. I 772 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: don't know this, you know, like from from experience, but 773 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: I can only imagine like that these people want to 774 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: protect their pockets, so you know, they're probably doing as 775 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: much as they can to make sure that the wheels 776 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: keep turning and the gears keep moving and the money 777 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: keeps coming in. Right, And then the way you say there, 778 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: it seems to be a hierarchy of who is expendable 779 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: and who is not exactly. Yeah, speaking of Megan, her 780 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: newest hit Woff with Cardi B had a lot of 781 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: people socket yes, yes, uh, And it's been an ongoing 782 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: conversation and uh kind of controversy see about women really 783 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: talking about sex and wanting sex. That's something we've talked 784 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: about on the show a lot. Why do you think 785 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: this double standard, especially in hip hop, in the hip 786 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: hop industry is so overwhelming and ongoing? I think, oh 787 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: my thoughts. I think men just don't want women to 788 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: have anything. And that's that's me being like experience, you know, 789 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: in terms of the workplace, in terms of you know, 790 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,439 Speaker 1: dealing with artists. Um, you know, when it comes down 791 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: to it, any woman that is going to say I 792 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: want this and I want it now, you know, like 793 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: any man who's going to be like, well, I mean 794 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: you should ask me to give that to you, you know, 795 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: like you shouldn't. You shouldn't say that you wanted. I 796 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: want you to ask me for it, and it's like no, no, no, 797 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna tell you. So yeah, I think I 798 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: think it's absolutely ridiculous that there are so many people 799 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: up in arms about the song, especially because like a 800 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: male artist put out a song that was just like 801 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: about like wanting sex and nobody bad it than I. 802 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: But that's like literally half the music, it's out right, 803 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, even if it's called like two in rams, 804 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: Like half the song is about like wanting sex and 805 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: getting sex and having thirty women and you know, feeling 806 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: like they're the man because they've slept with you know, 807 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: X amount of those women. So it's like, you know, 808 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: like I don't I wish I had like a very 809 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: very straightforward like this is why men are upset because 810 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: it's mainly man and it's some women too, you know. 811 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: It's some women being like yeah, like why are you 812 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: talking about your vagina? You know, like and it's like, well, 813 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: like why can he talk about his penis? And nothing 814 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: happens like he gets to do what he wants to do. 815 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, it's just very much like we've been 816 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: using the words baffled, buffuddling, like it's confusing, like I 817 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 1: don't understand and it does not compute, Like I'm having 818 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: such an issue like like that's whapp is my sister's 819 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: favorite song right now, Like she's thirty two, she's grown, 820 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: but like you know, um, like as soon as we 821 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: saw the video, like we were like watching um the 822 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: YouTube live where her and Megan were like taking shots 823 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: and like getting ready for the video to come out 824 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: and everything. And then we watched the video and we 825 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: watched the video again, and then we listened to the 826 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: real version and we were like, oh, okay, like let's 827 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: do it. Let's do it. So we were like we 828 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: were thrilled, we were excited. And and then like the 829 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: next day, like we got up and she checked her 830 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: social media because like I said, I'm not really on 831 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: social and you know, she was just kind of like, yeah, 832 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: people were talking about it, but they're not saying what 833 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: I thought they'd be saying. And um, you know, as 834 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: soon as I heard that, like Megan and CARTI had 835 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: a song together, I knew it was gonna be some 836 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: freak stuff. You know. I was like, of course, like 837 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: they are coming together, they're joining forces, like they are 838 00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 1: going to be on some stuff. So and they were, 839 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that and if anything, like 840 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, it just reminds me of like little Kim, 841 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, like when she came out and you know, 842 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: like people were taken aback, but they you know, they 843 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: clutched their pearls for a little bit and then they 844 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, this is who came in. Like you know, 845 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: she can come out with the hardcore and talk about, 846 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, whatever she wants to do, and we accept 847 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: her for that. So I'm hoping moving forward, like it's 848 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: kind of like Kim like kicked the door open and 849 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: then did what she had to do, and then like 850 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 1: you know, things happened in her career or whatever, and 851 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: the doors kind of like aked back closed, and now 852 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: like Cardi and Megan are like kicking that door open again, 853 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: and I'm hoping, I'm really hoping that the door will 854 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: stay open for women to be able to continue talking 855 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: about their preferences, their proclivities. They're like whatever they want, 856 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: because men do it with reckless abandon and there are 857 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: no consequences. So yeah, yeah, and I'm with you. I 858 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: loved it. I was like, oh, look, they have all 859 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: these women featured. There was the one I was confused by, 860 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: but you know whatever, I think everybody had just sat 861 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: there and hold. I was like, what, okay, but you know, 862 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: they were celebrating women, celebrating women what they do. Uh. 863 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: And I loved all of it, and that that's It's 864 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,919 Speaker 1: not the first time. Missy Elliott did it too. She's 865 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: like Missy like she would call then out and she 866 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: would have them on the damn song to call them out. 867 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: It was oh my god, yes, even like, oh my god, 868 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: like Missy is I'm so glad you mentioned her because 869 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: she was the definition of subversive, Like she was so 870 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: unafraid and is so unafraid to step up and be like, 871 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, um, what's the song. Well, I've been listening 872 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: to hot Boys a lot, and it's like, you know, 873 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: she's just kind of like, oh is that your car? Oh? 874 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: Can you can be my day? Can you can you 875 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: do this? Can we be together? Like? And she's like 876 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: unafraid to be like like a bird, to be frank, 877 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: you know, like she's just like, oh, yeah, you know, 878 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm out here and you're out here, so 879 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: why can't we be out here together? And so I 880 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: think that's like, you know, of course she was a 881 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: little bit more. She was direct, but she wasn't like 882 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: as fourth right as whap is. She was more like, 883 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play with your I'm gonna play with your 884 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: mind a little bit. I'm gonna like use these other 885 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: terms and like, you know, kind of like skate around 886 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: it in an artful way. Not to say that like 887 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 1: whop isn't artful, because I think those verses are great, 888 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, you know, yeah exactly, yes, exactly exactly, 889 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: and Missy it's purposeful exactly when she wants to be 890 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: so um you know, it's just like some songs, you know, 891 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 1: she'll kind of skate around it and you know, be cute, 892 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: see and then some songs she'll come out and be 893 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: like look I don't want a minute, man, you know, 894 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, I mean that song is exactly 895 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: what you're thinking, is yes, but yeah, that's the thing 896 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: is like this is such a weird thing, Like why 897 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 1: are people surprised again that Megan the Stallion with Cardi B. 898 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: Are gonna have this type of lyrics just because you 899 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: wanted to be a little more uh inn window, I 900 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it kind of is already with 901 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: the title, but you know it's gonna come out and 902 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna smack you in the face. It's gonna be 903 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: very real what they're saying. And that's exactly who they are, 904 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,359 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what they've never tried to hide that 905 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: as who they are as artists. So why are people shocked? 906 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,919 Speaker 1: A b uh yeah, it is the same level of 907 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: why can't they be what is this shock? And all? 908 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: Like you've heard work from our current president and you're 909 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: really really really shocked by a song? Yeah, not doing good. 910 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm not doing good with this, but yeah, like what 911 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,800 Speaker 1: what is this shock of what's happening today? And why 912 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 1: especially when it's in a positive format like yeah, exactly, mahas, 913 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: but it's consent. Come on, yeah, it's consent. And it's 914 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: like why I'm not trying to talk down on man, 915 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying so hard not to. But like they can 916 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, they can make a song and say that 917 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: they're like gonna slip up a drug in someone's drink 918 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: and they're gonna have a good time, and I'm like, 919 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: so you can. That song can hit top ten on 920 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 1: Billboard and nobody back tonight. But you know, we well 921 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,399 Speaker 1: what what did he go? Number one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 922 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: so thank goodness, which I was like, I don't know 923 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,320 Speaker 1: about this one because you know, in terms of streaming 924 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,879 Speaker 1: and everything, but hey, they did it. Um, But yeah, 925 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's just kind of like, I just question 926 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 1: our values when we can listen to two powerful women 927 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: speak about what they want consentually, as she said, and 928 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: we're taken aback by that and we're disgusted by that. 929 00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: Like that just kind of speaks to the level of 930 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: power that we have as women in this country, you know, 931 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 1: like that just kind of speaks to the level of 932 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: respect that we have and the amount of just grace 933 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 1: that we're extended. You know, like we're just there. We 934 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 1: have We've come very far obviously, but like we have 935 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: so much work to do in this country, in this industry, um, 936 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,959 Speaker 1: you know, in hip hop specifically, there's like a lot 937 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: to be said and done because we shouldn't be having 938 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad, I'm grateful to be having this 939 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: conversation but like, we shouldn't be talking about me and 940 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: getting shot. We shouldn't be talking about like people being 941 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,360 Speaker 1: up in arms about a song about sex, like what 942 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: you know, it just doesn't make any sense. So I'm 943 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: hopeful that, like I said, like the doors will remain 944 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: open so people can continue having the freedom to speak 945 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: about what they want and what they need in their lives. 946 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: But for now, like we're gonna keep talking about this stuff, 947 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, you know, let's at least 948 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 1: let's try to educate people and like expose people with 949 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: the different perspectives. Right, we do have some more for 950 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,240 Speaker 1: you listeners, but first we have one more quick break 951 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank 952 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: you sponsored UM, And I did have one last question 953 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: and it involves hip hop, but mainly just to your 954 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: personal experiences, because as I'm researching UM different things in 955 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: this industry, even journalists, female journalists trying to talk about 956 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: hip hop, which can be enjoyed by all people want 957 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 1: everyone to enjoy so they can make that money. It's loveliest, 958 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,839 Speaker 1: this is exactly what needs to happen. But even one 959 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 1: of our Atlanta hip hop journalists talked about how she 960 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: immediate they got accused of not accused, but being said, Oh, oh, 961 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: your boyfriend or your husband must have gotten you into 962 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: hip hop. Oh the reason you like hip hop or 963 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 1: than the white because you know it so well, it's 964 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,399 Speaker 1: because of some man teaching you these things. And then 965 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: you look at the limited amount of women that are 966 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 1: able to be professionals in this type of industry is 967 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,360 Speaker 1: so small. Why do you think, I mean, the obvious 968 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 1: answer is misogyny, thank you overall, like in territorial related 969 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,479 Speaker 1: like in conversations. But how do you think that people 970 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: are gonna be able to more women are gonna be 971 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: able to get into this industry, to be able to 972 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: talk about something they love like hip hop? Yeah? Absolutely, 973 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: Well I just want to say my mom introduced me 974 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: to hip hop, like and that's like my that's one 975 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: of my proudest things to say. Like she you know, 976 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: she was listening to like crazy stuff like like horrorcore, 977 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, yes, like, give me more 978 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 1: put into my veins. So that's why I love like 979 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: so much, like so many different kinds of rappids, because 980 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: my mom was not afraid to like dig into things 981 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: and like, you know, like exposed for children to like 982 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: wrap that was that wasn't exactly four kids, but like 983 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be doing what 984 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,799 Speaker 1: I do today. So, um, I just want to put 985 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: that out there, and UM, yeah, So I really hope 986 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: that like right now, there's honestly it's it's like kind 987 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: of ebbing and fluence, but there's definitely a cultural reckoning 988 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: happening where people are being open about their experiences and 989 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: being open about their their times with companies. Like you know, 990 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,719 Speaker 1: I came out and spoke out about my experience that 991 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,920 Speaker 1: Complex and how you know, as a black woman, I 992 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: was treated like prap and you know, I I was 993 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,400 Speaker 1: really afraid to do that, but I understood that, like 994 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to make that place isn't going anywhere. You know, 995 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,320 Speaker 1: like we may have given it a black eye, but 996 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 1: Complex isn't isn't going anywhere. So I want to make 997 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: that place better for the next woman that comes behind me. 998 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's a way that we're going to 999 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:15,319 Speaker 1: be able to like systemically change the industry. Like even 1000 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: from a journalistic perspective, is by saying like, hey, I 1001 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 1: had this experience, I don't want you to have that experience. 1002 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,280 Speaker 1: Even before I signed the NBA, I called every black 1003 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: woman I knew, and I was like, this is what 1004 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: happened to me. I just want you to be aware, 1005 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: look out, like take care of yourself. And so I 1006 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 1: think like, for so long it's been a whisper network 1007 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: of like how to stay safe and how to get 1008 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,319 Speaker 1: ahead and how to do X y Z. And now 1009 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 1: like we're much more public, we're much more open, and 1010 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: we're much more uh you know bold, you know, we're 1011 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 1: not afraid anymore. And um, for so long, I think 1012 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,279 Speaker 1: we've been kind of held under a thumb of like, well, 1013 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: you should be lucky to be here, you know, you 1014 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: should be lucky that you had to have the opportunity 1015 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: to have this experience. And the truth, the honest truth, 1016 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: is they are lucky to have us because, like number one, 1017 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: we are delving into topics and addressing things and just 1018 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: shedding light on so many issues that frankly, like men 1019 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: don't think about when it comes to hip hop. Like 1020 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, when I came up with the dominant woman 1021 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: UM idea for complex, like nobody else was talking about that, 1022 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, even in the meetings, it 1023 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, Card might come up in 1024 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 1: conversation and Niki might come up in conversation, but nobody 1025 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,760 Speaker 1: was connecting the dots. So um, you know, I really 1026 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: hope that these companies will, in these organizations and these 1027 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 1: um publications will see the value that we bring to 1028 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: the table, because there are obviously like tons of men 1029 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,840 Speaker 1: in the rap game who can benefit from speaking to 1030 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: the women journalists, just because like when it comes to 1031 00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: like men conversing with men, they're just kind of like, oh, bro, 1032 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, let's talk about this. You know, unless they're 1033 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,800 Speaker 1: like super super professional, But like the conversations that I've seen, 1034 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like, so you really just like I had 1035 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: a homey conversation. Okay, you didn't really like ask any 1036 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: real questions, all right, Um, but you know, and then 1037 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: there's like just a simple fact that like there are 1038 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 1: women in this game too, and not every woman wants 1039 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: to talk to a man, especially when it comes to 1040 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: like the first conversation I had with Megan for Complex 1041 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,200 Speaker 1: and the end of um, you know, I was asking 1042 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 1: her like, why do you think people you know, and 1043 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 1: even at that point we were talking about her lyrics, 1044 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, why do you think some people 1045 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,200 Speaker 1: say that your lyrics are too explicit, Like what would 1046 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 1: you say to those people? And she was like, you know, 1047 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to rap about what I don't do. 1048 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wrap about popping pills and shooting people. 1049 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: It was just so bizarre that she said that. Um, 1050 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know, she was like, I'm not going 1051 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 1: to rap about that because that's not what I do. 1052 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap about my body and what I like 1053 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: to do with my body. And I just don't imagine 1054 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 1: like a man asking her that question. So, you know, 1055 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I really just hope that, UM, 1056 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,840 Speaker 1: we continue to be open in about our experiences, because 1057 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that's the genuine, honest way that we're going 1058 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: to see some movement happen. And I really, UM, I 1059 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,000 Speaker 1: have a lot of hope. I do, and my hope 1060 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: lies in the people that I support. UM. You know, 1061 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: there are so many great writers. UM. Taylor Crumpton is 1062 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: an amazing writer. She um actually wrote a piece about 1063 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, Megan's shooting and how yeah, yeah, you know, 1064 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: she's UM an incredible writer. UM. E v A. Annie 1065 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: is a great writer. She used to work for Okay 1066 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 1: Player now she's a freelancer as well. Shamira Ibrahim is 1067 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 1: a great writer as well. I could list so many people, 1068 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,280 Speaker 1: but you know, I just the thing is, we're all 1069 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,920 Speaker 1: freelancers right now, you know, and we want homes, you know, 1070 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 1: we want to be able to like settle in somewhere 1071 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,040 Speaker 1: and have the support in the development and um, you know, 1072 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,520 Speaker 1: the tutelage. You know, we want those things, and we're 1073 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: doing great right now. But I really hope, like in 1074 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,480 Speaker 1: the next year or two, we can all find a 1075 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,120 Speaker 1: place to land so we can really like settle in 1076 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,640 Speaker 1: for years. As some of these journalists like a John Karamanica, 1077 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's been at the Times for decades or 1078 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, at least a decade now, and he's doing 1079 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 1: amazing work there. But like I would love to see 1080 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 1: a black woman in a similar position. Yeah, I think 1081 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: when we actually see that happen, and when we see that, 1082 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 1: we can stop having cancel culture, which is not even 1083 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,840 Speaker 1: again you said it before, No one truly get canceled. 1084 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,680 Speaker 1: That's that's not a thing unless they insignificant people with 1085 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,680 Speaker 1: menial jobs over you know, and they get canceled for 1086 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:47,959 Speaker 1: something them. Everybody's fine. Everybody is fine. That it's it's 1087 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,320 Speaker 1: interesting to see like this whole label when it's not 1088 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,720 Speaker 1: just it's not canceling, it's just a rectifying of what's happening. 1089 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: And I know that took a lot of toll on 1090 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: you as an individual coming out and um, of course 1091 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: i'd love to see the support because people were supporting 1092 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: you and that, But the fact that you had to 1093 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: go through all of that nonsense and anxiety and overall 1094 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,040 Speaker 1: like compromise in yourself, like what do I do? How 1095 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: do I help the situation? Is It's incredibly encouraging but 1096 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 1: disheartening to see at the same time. You don't want 1097 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to see or fellow people through having to do this 1098 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 1: bs to try to correct a situation exactly. Yeah, it's 1099 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, leaving complex was one of the most difficult things, 1100 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, that I've had to do. And you know, 1101 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm bipolar type one and that um comes with 1102 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,840 Speaker 1: depression in mania and I was swinging back and forth 1103 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,960 Speaker 1: through those things when I was going through the my 1104 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 1: exit because I was emotionally all over the place and 1105 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: extreme stress triggers my episodes, and that was an extremely 1106 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: stressful period and I ended up having to be hospitalized 1107 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: right after that. So, um, you know, it was like 1108 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,919 Speaker 1: it was it was just a really sad situation because 1109 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: I worked really, really hard to get there and even 1110 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: though I had some people warned me along the way, 1111 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 1: like I'm not sure if that's a you want to go, 1112 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,040 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I busted my tail. 1113 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 1: I did what I had to do. I want to 1114 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: be here, and I I thugged it out for like 1115 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,360 Speaker 1: almost two years, and then it just got to a 1116 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,520 Speaker 1: point where, you know, it just hit a hit a 1117 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,920 Speaker 1: peek where I couldn't handle all the things that were 1118 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: coming at me anymore. And you know, I tried to 1119 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,480 Speaker 1: be as graceful as I could, and you know, at 1120 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: the time it was really scary, but like the scariest 1121 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 1: part was like losing my voice. And um, I'm forever 1122 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 1: indebted to Tiffany Wines. She's the former Complex employee who 1123 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,680 Speaker 1: came out and spoke out and invited me to come 1124 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: out with her. And I was like, you know, for 1125 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,800 Speaker 1: so long I was him and han I was like, 1126 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. And then eventually I 1127 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,680 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, nothing is going to change 1128 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,960 Speaker 1: if we don't speak up and um, you know, thankfully 1129 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,280 Speaker 1: there have been people in other publications who have had 1130 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,080 Speaker 1: similar experiences come out and say their own stories. And 1131 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that's really the only way that we're 1132 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,480 Speaker 1: going to move forward and the only way that we're 1133 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,600 Speaker 1: going to like expand as an industry is you know, 1134 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,840 Speaker 1: as if we if we're if we're open and honest 1135 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 1: with ourselves. Yeah. I hate that it takes that told though, 1136 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,400 Speaker 1: that you have to be that vulnerable in order to 1137 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: get just a justice in any sort of way. Yeah, 1138 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,280 Speaker 1: but uh, I want to thank you for that. I know, 1139 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 1: for so many people who are in this, in your 1140 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,000 Speaker 1: industry that take us a lot of courage to even 1141 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,480 Speaker 1: try because it's not for you. This doesn't benefit you 1142 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,840 Speaker 1: would any least way. Nothing about this that's like, oh yeah, 1143 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: this is really fun for me. Yeah, not at all. 1144 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: It was. You know, I still can't believe I did it, honestly, 1145 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm just like Kiana what like, But you know, 1146 01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,280 Speaker 1: I had to do it, you know, like I I 1147 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: had to, Like I would have regretted it for the 1148 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 1: rest of my life if I hadn't come out and 1149 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: spoken out because there are just so many people who 1150 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I feel like they don't have a voice, and at 1151 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 1: the end of the day, like journalism is about giving 1152 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: voice to the voiceless. And even if I'm not doing 1153 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,280 Speaker 1: that through my medium, which is like exactly what I do, 1154 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,760 Speaker 1: what I do for um, I still I am so 1155 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:29,280 Speaker 1: focused on, like how can I benefit the black woman 1156 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,280 Speaker 1: coming behind me? How can I benefit the black woman 1157 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,280 Speaker 1: above me? How can we all you know, mutually assist 1158 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,240 Speaker 1: each other. Like that's such a big part of what 1159 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,320 Speaker 1: I do, and I try to even in my writing, 1160 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: like I try to speak to people who like need 1161 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,840 Speaker 1: that extra you know, arm or that extra hand or whatever. 1162 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 1: Like I'd be lying if I said that, Like, you know, 1163 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to interview like the biggest stars and 1164 01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,439 Speaker 1: you know, the biggest rappers or whatever. Like of course 1165 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,919 Speaker 1: I want to do that, but at this point, like 1166 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: I love talking to like the Chicas, and I love 1167 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: talking to you know, the people who are like have 1168 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 1: so much potential, but like people aren't quite on board 1169 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,960 Speaker 1: with them yet for whatever reason, you know, Like I 1170 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 1: really that's where that's like my bread and butter, that's 1171 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 1: how I live and breathe. So yeah, that kind of 1172 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,040 Speaker 1: like is you know, in tandem with how I treat 1173 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,560 Speaker 1: my professional career. You know, I try to always work 1174 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,760 Speaker 1: with people who I can assist, who can assist me. 1175 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,080 Speaker 1: How can we all kind of work together and like build, 1176 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, because at the end of the day, like 1177 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,200 Speaker 1: this is what we love to do, and we're very 1178 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,040 Speaker 1: very blessed to be able to do what we love 1179 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 1: and I want to try to keep this going for 1180 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 1: as long as I possibly can, right And kind of 1181 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,600 Speaker 1: when when we're talking about you know, Patreon, it's it's 1182 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,160 Speaker 1: so open and vulnerable. Uh and and I think you 1183 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 1: do a phenomenal job in conveying all things that you 1184 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,080 Speaker 1: you see and shotle Weather and I appreciate that and 1185 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: kind of just a buit it out there. What is 1186 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,360 Speaker 1: your patreons that people can go and sign up? Banana? Well, absolutely, 1187 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 1: um so my Patreon and most of my socials, um 1188 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,440 Speaker 1: have the same core um you know name, it's Kiana fits. 1189 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: So patreon dot com slash k I A and A 1190 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,760 Speaker 1: F I t Z Kiana fits and um that's my 1191 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Twitter as well. My Instagram is outboxed, but you don't 1192 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 1: need you know, that's it's if you want to go. 1193 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's out box with two excess. But my 1194 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,480 Speaker 1: Patreon is where I really, like you said, I try 1195 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,240 Speaker 1: to be vulnerable. I try to pour in as much 1196 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,040 Speaker 1: as of myself as I can into that place because 1197 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I you know, I am a freelancer and work comes 1198 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,080 Speaker 1: when it comes, you know, it doesn't always hit me 1199 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,200 Speaker 1: when I need it. So to be able to like 1200 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,240 Speaker 1: be supported by people who can see the value in 1201 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,720 Speaker 1: my work and see the value of my words. UM 1202 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,320 Speaker 1: on a on a regular basis is really beauty cool. 1203 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 1: So if you want to support me there, I write 1204 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: about hip hop, I write about my bipolar disorder. I 1205 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,720 Speaker 1: read about hip hop ambipolar, you know, talking about Kanye West. Um. 1206 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: I do a lot of delving into what makes me 1207 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,200 Speaker 1: who I am. So yeah, if you want to check 1208 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 1: it out Patreon dot com, slash canfits awesome. Yeah, totally 1209 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,320 Speaker 1: check that out. Is there anything else you want to 1210 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:27,960 Speaker 1: shout out or highlight before we wrap up here? Oh? Man, um, 1211 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,240 Speaker 1: listen to women rappers. I am so excited. Uh, Like 1212 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,640 Speaker 1: I said, we have Milatta, we have lights Can Kisha, 1213 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: we have Flull Millie, we have Cheeka, we have Megan, 1214 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,440 Speaker 1: we have the City Girls, we have Dolgi Cat like 1215 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, I, like I said earlier, I'm a DJ 1216 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,120 Speaker 1: as well, and my sister is like DJing two, and 1217 01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 1: I was like, you need to make an all women mix, 1218 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,240 Speaker 1: like you need to do this, So like that's gonna 1219 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,520 Speaker 1: come out soon, so look out for that. But but yeah, 1220 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just like thrilled that I can listen 1221 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,520 Speaker 1: to a playlist for an hour and I don't have 1222 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,000 Speaker 1: to hear AND's voice at all, you know, Like I 1223 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,880 Speaker 1: of course I have my favorite rappers and they'll always 1224 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,600 Speaker 1: be my favorite rappers that the men. But it's just 1225 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 1: a special feeling when you can listen to empowered, beautiful, 1226 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,080 Speaker 1: strong women talk about their lives and talk about their 1227 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,320 Speaker 1: experiences and be witty and be you know, smart and 1228 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,000 Speaker 1: just so much fun. It's just a blast. So yeah, 1229 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,680 Speaker 1: listen to your even listen to your local women rappers, 1230 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,840 Speaker 1: I would say. And that brings us to the end 1231 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:33,960 Speaker 1: of this interview. It was so good. Do you feel satisfied, Saanantha? 1232 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,200 Speaker 1: I am. I feel like it's been a long time 1233 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,080 Speaker 1: of coming, and I'm really excited to have more conversations 1234 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 1: like this and with her hopefully kind of having her 1235 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,720 Speaker 1: back on the show. And you definitely should check out 1236 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: her Patreon because she is so open and especially for 1237 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,360 Speaker 1: those who struggle with bipolar and and the issues that 1238 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,840 Speaker 1: are happening today and what it looks like, especially when 1239 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,160 Speaker 1: you're in an industry like she's talking about that you 1240 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 1: have to be willing to be open and and dig 1241 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 1: deep into the darkness to get to some of the points. 1242 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, go check her out for sure. Definitely, definitely 1243 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,000 Speaker 1: um and thanks again to her for joining us. If 1244 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,480 Speaker 1: you would like to contact us, you can. We have 1245 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,000 Speaker 1: an email and it is Stuff Media mom Stuff at 1246 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,599 Speaker 1: i heeart media dot com. You can also find us 1247 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram at 1248 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,680 Speaker 1: steff I'm Never told You. Thanks as always to our 1249 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,640 Speaker 1: super producer Andrew Howard. Thanks Andrew, and thanks to you 1250 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,880 Speaker 1: for listening. Stephane ever told you. It's a production of 1251 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 1252 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: is it the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 1253 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,439 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.