Speaker 1: Pushkin im Ave Higgins and this is Solvable interviews with
Speaker 1: the world's most innovative thinkers working to solve the world's
Speaker 1: biggest problems. My solvable is to get one million women
Speaker 1: and girls to learn how to code by the year
Speaker 1: twenty thirty. I'm the Good is about coding. At the
Speaker 1: same time, it's about giving women and girls power to
Speaker 1: go and change their lives. In this episode, Jacob Weisberg
Speaker 1: is in conversation with technologist and activist maryam jam So,
Speaker 1: think of everything you've ever done on a computer, searching, sending, playing, paying,
Speaker 1: and think of the role computers play in medicine, in science,
Speaker 1: and transportation. None of this could happen without software, and
Speaker 1: software basically is code. Coder might be quiet, but they're powerful.
Speaker 1: Now you probably know about the gender gaps in the
Speaker 1: field of health and education, and in economic and political opportunity,
Speaker 1: as well as security and just well being. You know
Speaker 1: about them because you personally experience those gaps, or maybe
Speaker 1: you're just one of the lucky ones who have heard
Speaker 1: about them well. The Rockefella Foundation has also gathered comprehensive
Speaker 1: data documenting a digital gender gap and estimated two hundred
Speaker 1: million fewer women are online compared to men. In June
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, GSMA, which reports on the mobile industry, published
Speaker 1: data on the gender inequality in mobile technology aka the
Speaker 1: way most of us around the world access the Internet.
Speaker 1: Women on average are twenty six percent less likely to
Speaker 1: use mobile internet than men, especially in low and middle
Speaker 1: income countries and who makes the Internet well here in
Speaker 1: the US. In twenty sixteen, Google we found that black
Speaker 1: and Hispanic students were one point five and one point
Speaker 1: seven times more likely to have an interest in learning
Speaker 1: computer science, but they're the very ones who are less
Speaker 1: likely to have access to those resources. Two thirds of
Speaker 1: white students report using computers at home, whereas only half
Speaker 1: of black and Hispanic students do so. If you're female,
Speaker 1: if you grew up disadvantaged, it's tough to maneuver yourself
Speaker 1: into the important and ever expanding world that is coding,
Speaker 1: that is basically making computers do what we want them
Speaker 1: to do. That is until maryam came along. Maryam Dam
Speaker 1: knows what it's like to go from being powerless to powerful.
Speaker 1: Her life is pretty extraordinary. Today, she's a pioneer in
Speaker 1: system change and was named a Young Global Leader of
Speaker 1: the World Economic Forum for her work supporting women and girls,
Speaker 1: but all of that came after she was abandoned as
Speaker 1: a child in rural Senegal, before being raped at eleven
Speaker 1: years old and traffic to France, where the abuse continued.
Speaker 1: Mariam made her way to England and at sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: she used a local library to teach herself how to
Speaker 1: read and write. She eventually became a technologist and quickly
Speaker 1: understood the power that that held. She sees her life
Speaker 1: now as a roadmap for other young girls. Jacob and
Speaker 1: Mariam get into that and it is so much more too.
Speaker 1: So enjoy this conversation and I'll see you on the
Speaker 1: other side. Mary. But obviously your effort to teach girls
Speaker 1: to code reflects your own experience. I wonder if you
Speaker 1: can tell me a little bit about how you came
Speaker 1: to this idea. I am from Senegal, West Africa. That's
Speaker 1: where I was born. When I was growing up, I
Speaker 1: didn't have any education, so I didn't go to school.
Speaker 1: I couldn't read and write until I was sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: and when I was eleven years old, I was abused
Speaker 1: by my colonic teaching. My country is a Muslim country,
Speaker 1: so when I was thirteen years old. I was trafficked
Speaker 1: from Senegal to France and I ended up in the UK.
Speaker 1: So I used to do cleaning jobs and working in
Speaker 1: bars and hotels. I see people in suit and things
Speaker 1: like that, and I wanted to find a job. And
Speaker 1: I remember the you know, some of the ladies were
Speaker 1: telling me, you know, we can't find your job because
Speaker 1: you don't have any skills. We can't put you in banks,
Speaker 1: or we can't put you, you know, in supermarkets things
Speaker 1: like that, because you need to communicate. Also you need
Speaker 1: to speak English. My English was very very broken. And
Speaker 1: then slowly, slowly I started going to local library, start
Speaker 1: learning how to read, and you know, being very disciplined
Speaker 1: and focused, and every day I'll spend two hours at
Speaker 1: the library. And then I started learning mats and how
Speaker 1: to imput data on Excel. I started to learn how
Speaker 1: to code. In that time, Google was born. On their platform,
Speaker 1: they had a blog. People can write and then the
Speaker 1: blog will be converted. You know, you can write some
Speaker 1: texts and the text will be converted into into blog.
Speaker 1: And discover that. In that time, I had had so
Speaker 1: many anger in me and and sow many frustration. I
Speaker 1: was asking myself why I was in the UK, you know,
Speaker 1: why my mum abandoned us as children. So I had
Speaker 1: a lot of ications and then I was looking at
Speaker 1: BBC and TV and all these channels, and then I
Speaker 1: just saw Bob Geldof and Bono doing the doing the
Speaker 1: live aid things. That just really makes me very upset.
Speaker 1: And I think that the way they came about was like,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, we are the saviors of Africa. We're
Speaker 1: going to save the whole world. You were upset because
Speaker 1: it was it seemed condescending. You. Yeah, it was really
Speaker 1: weird because I saw that, you know, like everybody was
Speaker 1: talking about poverty. And then I said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: actually I was this sort of I was the young
Speaker 1: women in Africa growing up and you didn't do anything
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, it wasn't their fault really,
Speaker 1: but I think people could understand my frustration. And then
Speaker 1: I wrote a an open letter to Bono and Bob
Speaker 1: Geldof for the first time and asked them to back
Speaker 1: off from Africa. You wrote to them just to make
Speaker 1: this clear on the blog that you created after teaching
Speaker 1: yourself to read and write, teaching yourself to code, and
Speaker 1: building yourself at a public library. Yeah, my first open
Speaker 1: letter was to Bob Geldof and Bono. You were just
Speaker 1: asking them to back off from Africa. And then the
Speaker 1: Guardian pick it up, show it to Bob Geldoff. He
Speaker 1: didn't like it. You know, Bono didn't like it either,
Speaker 1: and they thought that I was very ungrateful as an African. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that created a conversation and then you know, in the
Speaker 1: end they actually saw, you know my point, and that
Speaker 1: created a One International, which is now Bono's organization. I
Speaker 1: got called to come in and find a way to
Speaker 1: help them understand that the message they're trying to portray
Speaker 1: in Europe is to too different to what's happening on
Speaker 1: the ground. It's such an amazing story that after suffering
Speaker 1: this abuse and neglect, lack of education sixteen, you taught
Speaker 1: yourself to do all of these things that people with
Speaker 1: tremendous opportunities in many cases haven't haven't learned to do,
Speaker 1: such as coding the way you have. I mean, it
Speaker 1: raises the question, marm, whether you're just an extraordinary person
Speaker 1: or whether you're a model that a lot of other
Speaker 1: poor people can follow. I get to ask that question.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm special, but I think that the
Speaker 1: trauma I've lived as a child, you know, we'll never
Speaker 1: go away, still is still on me. And I see
Speaker 1: that with young girls growing up in refuge comes. For example,
Speaker 1: when you've been through difficulty in life and you've been
Speaker 1: through trauma, you try to find a way to get by.
Speaker 1: And this is the mentality I have now, where I
Speaker 1: leave day by day. Every days it is another day,
Speaker 1: and I just think that, you know, I become very
Speaker 1: tenacious in getting things done. Why the focus on coding
Speaker 1: as the skill that can provide this vehicle, particularly for girls,
Speaker 1: to get out of their terrible circumstances. I mean, presumably
Speaker 1: there are lots of skills you could learn as a
Speaker 1: young person that would help you out of poverty, help
Speaker 1: give you access to power, to the wider world. It
Speaker 1: started when I started to learn match at the library
Speaker 1: and then starting reading dictionaries and understanding words, because bear
Speaker 1: in mind, when I came to the UK, I couldn't
Speaker 1: understand English, I couldn't decode the information, and so you
Speaker 1: could put words in front of me, I wouldn't really
Speaker 1: understand them. I used to pick up books with numbers
Speaker 1: and I start coding really using XHML was from the
Speaker 1: beginning because I could put some numbers and then it
Speaker 1: will translate on a page. And then I think that
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do now is trying to talk
Speaker 1: to girls about digital skills and many many of the
Speaker 1: applications we use around the world, for example, people don't
Speaker 1: know how it was made. And I've been always fascinated
Speaker 1: in how things are made and designed, and you know
Speaker 1: who is behind the things doing things. And I like
Speaker 1: to see things being translated in numbers, but also being
Speaker 1: translated inwards. And I see this with refugees now in city,
Speaker 1: and refugees and people in Lebanon, for example, when you
Speaker 1: are poor or you've been traumatized you are, you consume
Speaker 1: information very very quickly. So I have a photographic memory
Speaker 1: where I don't forget things. Although that combination have helped
Speaker 1: me to learn how to code seven code in languages
Speaker 1: in two years. And then I had to go back
Speaker 1: to the agency to tell them, actually, now I'm a
Speaker 1: couda and lady didn't understand what I was saying. So
Speaker 1: now I'm a couda and I build a website and
Speaker 1: I'm a full stack developer. I really like numbers in wards.
Speaker 1: Your organization has the very suggestive and interesting name I
Speaker 1: Am the Code, which I guess speaks to that pride
Speaker 1: in learning it. But also, you know, we use the
Speaker 1: expression cracking the code when you figure something out, and
Speaker 1: it's not just learning to program and write software, but
Speaker 1: figuring out this larger code of how the world works.
Speaker 1: Am I reading too much into the name of your organization? No, No,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, But I think there was something else
Speaker 1: about it, because I think what happened is during the years,
Speaker 1: I was called to give, you know, a major speech
Speaker 1: at Davos, and I was very very nervous, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do and what to say. I've
Speaker 1: never met those influential, powerful people before. And then I
Speaker 1: said to my son, you know, what do you think
Speaker 1: I should say? My son said, well, mommy, you are
Speaker 1: the code. And what I translated from that conversation was,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm tenacious. I don't give up, you know,
Speaker 1: despite all the timultuous childhood I had, I don't give up.
Speaker 1: And then despite that, I'm helping all the young women
Speaker 1: to get confidence. And that then created a massive conversation
Speaker 1: at Davos because I was the first senegalist woman to
Speaker 1: teach white middle class women in Guildford where I leave
Speaker 1: how to code, and now we have many, many women
Speaker 1: coding there. But what I'm saying is that yes, you
Speaker 1: are the code. You can learn how to code, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, you have the key to unlucky
Speaker 1: your life. You have the key to build your life.
Speaker 1: Despite you know all the challenges and all the difficulty,
Speaker 1: you can get this key and go in and open
Speaker 1: the doors for yourself and for other people. So I
Speaker 1: am the code is about coding at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's about giving women and girls power to go and
Speaker 1: change their lives. Software has traditionally been dominated by men,
Speaker 1: and so many of the issues we're seeing now around
Speaker 1: harassment and abuse online around software encoding discrimination seems to
Speaker 1: reflect to some extent that it's men who've written most
Speaker 1: of it. Do you see that as part of the
Speaker 1: problem you're addressing by bringing women into coding and software design.
Speaker 1: That's true, men men have done that, But I think also,
Speaker 1: you know, women used to crack the code, and they
Speaker 1: used to decode information, but it never had any visibility
Speaker 1: or any credit given to them. For many, many years,
Speaker 1: we had many women inventors who understood mathematics, centers, science,
Speaker 1: they understood so many you know, how the world was functioning.
Speaker 1: They actually, you know, if you just look at the
Speaker 1: GPS was invented by by a woman. But I think
Speaker 1: sometimes we just forgot those stories and those inventors who
Speaker 1: have helped us become who we are today. You know,
Speaker 1: we're not giving confidence to young women to go for it,
Speaker 1: not just you know, because they can, but also women
Speaker 1: have more empathy, They have more compassion and kindness when
Speaker 1: they're designing solutions because they design solutions for their communities
Speaker 1: and for you know, the real problems. Men they design
Speaker 1: things because they you know, it's kinde of like cool,
Speaker 1: and they can make money or they can just launch
Speaker 1: an ip O very quickly. But you know, women design
Speaker 1: things to you know, to help their communities and help
Speaker 1: their friends. That's what I saw my young women actually doing.
Speaker 1: And it's one thing to try to teach women to
Speaker 1: code and Guildford. It's another thing to try to teach
Speaker 1: young women to code and sanegal example, there must be
Speaker 1: a lot of obstacles to trying to set up and
Speaker 1: communicate what we're trying to communicate in some of the
Speaker 1: places you're trying to do it, can you talk about
Speaker 1: some of those challenges. That's very true. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of challenges where the women we have in Guiltful
Speaker 1: are totally different through women we have in the refugee
Speaker 1: campaign Kenya in Senegal. But I would have learned during
Speaker 1: the last three years is that it's not a location problem.
Speaker 1: Is actually the all smart young women who wants to
Speaker 1: learn a different skill. So we have changed the world
Speaker 1: coding to digital skills. For example, we are helping young
Speaker 1: women to become digitally intelligent. They know how Instagram was crazy,
Speaker 1: how Facebook was created, and we help them get into
Speaker 1: the information where they know how actually the solution we're created.
Speaker 1: And I think that if we start giving young women
Speaker 1: and girls the power to understand, you know, how wire
Speaker 1: frames are made and how things are written the code
Speaker 1: behind is how to edit it and have to review
Speaker 1: the code and how to make it more empattiic for example,
Speaker 1: or how the AI, how the data was collected and
Speaker 1: who is involved. We're now in sixty four countries. I've
Speaker 1: seen so many young women and girls and it's really
Speaker 1: not a location problem, but it's a systematic problem. And
Speaker 1: that's why go in and teaching young women goes mathematics
Speaker 1: and basic science and helping them understand the global issues
Speaker 1: like climate change, gender equality. You know, how do you
Speaker 1: read this inequality? And how do you get a bank account?
Speaker 1: Things like that helps a young woman to become very
Speaker 1: powerful because she knows she's participating. That's how she changed
Speaker 1: her community, changed her lives, and then there's less abuse
Speaker 1: for example, and she's very very confident afterward. I think
Speaker 1: the training sessions you run are open to boys as well,
Speaker 1: although maybe they're more girls than boys. Is there a
Speaker 1: difference in trying to teach girls or teach boys to code? No, no,
Speaker 1: there's not a big difference. The reason why we want
Speaker 1: you to include some of the boys because we when
Speaker 1: we set up I AM the Code and the mission
Speaker 1: was to actually get one million women and girls coders.
Speaker 1: And we find out that when we're doing the clubs,
Speaker 1: boys want to be part of it. And if you
Speaker 1: look into some Muslim countries like in Afghanistan, in Senegal,
Speaker 1: in Sudan for example, we need to get the boys involved.
Speaker 1: And in Mali in his chair because despite us going
Speaker 1: and teaching girls how to code, there are some social
Speaker 1: issues where the young woman is still, you know, look
Speaker 1: down to you know, the parents are not very confident
Speaker 1: in letting them go. So we get the young boys,
Speaker 1: you know, who are almost like their brothers and their
Speaker 1: cousins to be part of the clubs and then support
Speaker 1: the young women to be part of it. In Senegal,
Speaker 1: we had to get some of the boys to come
Speaker 1: and support the young women. And we respect the culture
Speaker 1: of the countries, but it's very important with his young
Speaker 1: boys gender equality and how to be kind to young
Speaker 1: women and girls, and then they usually work together. We
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that we create at a
Speaker 1: bit of balance but also help young boys to be
Speaker 1: part of that. I am the Coode movement because I
Speaker 1: believe that the only way we can achieve gender equality
Speaker 1: is by educating boys and men to understand women issues.
Speaker 1: Some of the people you've taught have already started to
Speaker 1: have meaningful success in their careers and some of them
Speaker 1: are becoming entrepreneurs. Is that part of your mission? Are
Speaker 1: you helping to coach people to start their own businesses,
Speaker 1: to start their own organizations? Yeah? When we have women
Speaker 1: millionnaires in Senegal, so we have amazing young women who
Speaker 1: are now entrepreneurs. They're doing amazing. Well in their countries,
Speaker 1: they're building solutions, They're sitting government for example, they sit
Speaker 1: in telecom companies. You know, some of our young girls
Speaker 1: are our mothers. The children are now coming back to
Speaker 1: the I Am the Code program that I Am the
Speaker 1: Code idea has been cooking for the last five years
Speaker 1: and beyond that. So all the young women have been
Speaker 1: mentoring for the last ten years have now become you
Speaker 1: know that I AM the Code ambassadors. They're taking I
Speaker 1: Am the Code their communities. He has almost become this family.
Speaker 1: Now people are paying back and giving back to the
Speaker 1: community and they're now building their businesses. Who are really
Speaker 1: really important for the Africa tech ecosystem because in the past,
Speaker 1: we didn't think about women as agent of change or
Speaker 1: agent of economic development. But we fought many African women
Speaker 1: and young women were seen as object of development. You know,
Speaker 1: the NGOs just giving handout and helping them with agriculture
Speaker 1: programs things like that. But now the women actually designing
Speaker 1: their own e commerce sides. They're designing their own solutions
Speaker 1: in Senegal, in Kenya, for example, their climate change activists,
Speaker 1: they're using technology to create campaigns. For example, one of
Speaker 1: our young women in Kenya has a lot of work
Speaker 1: on deforestation. So the idea really is to use technology
Speaker 1: as a way of empowering this young women and girls,
Speaker 1: but at the same time teaching them skills that will
Speaker 1: give them job, give them money, and ultimately, you know,
Speaker 1: they become very proud of themselves. That's that's the goal
Speaker 1: of I Am the Coode. You talk about teaching a
Speaker 1: million girls to code by twenty thirty in just a decade.
Speaker 1: How are you doing on that goal and how realistic
Speaker 1: is that? Oh, it's very realistic. We've done so far.
Speaker 1: Fourteen thousand young women and girls are part of the
Speaker 1: I Am the Code program and we didn't have any peer,
Speaker 1: any marketing in sixty four countries. It's really overwhelming to
Speaker 1: see how the program has reached so many many women,
Speaker 1: not just in Africa, but across the world in China
Speaker 1: and Japan. Is very large now and it's quite a
Speaker 1: humbling to see young women having their lives changed through
Speaker 1: I Am the Code. I didn't expect that. So fourteen
Speaker 1: thousand to a million, you have, by my calculation, nine
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six thousand to go. How will you
Speaker 1: finance that? Who will help to support you? In that
Speaker 1: incredibly ambitious goal. We will reach the goal because we
Speaker 1: have over twenty seven companies worldwide who have committed to
Speaker 1: the number of already and so we're working with corporates
Speaker 1: to get their staff members to become volunteers. We have
Speaker 1: women calling us they want to become champions, so they
Speaker 1: want to use their network to help spread the world.
Speaker 1: Like you know, your program is definitely going to help
Speaker 1: us get more visibility out there. And we also have
Speaker 1: digital clubs, we have hackathons, we have you know, so
Speaker 1: many boot camps. People are just joining because they can
Speaker 1: see that it makes sense. So yeah, we have ambitions
Speaker 1: plans this year at the United Nations, but also next year.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty is a big It's a big milestone for
Speaker 1: us because some of the girls are getting scholarships. Now
Speaker 1: we have young girls actually coming to work for I
Speaker 1: AM the Code where am I No. Listeners are hearing
Speaker 1: you talk and asking what they can do to help
Speaker 1: support your efforts and the goal. Generally, what are some
Speaker 1: of the things that people listening might be able to
Speaker 1: do to advance the goal. They can definitely become mentors
Speaker 1: to the girls, They can become ambassadors of I AM
Speaker 1: the Code, they can run their own hackatons, they can
Speaker 1: provide space for us, they can be part of the
Speaker 1: you know, the movement to get young some of the
Speaker 1: young girls coding. We have many corporate organizations, for example,
Speaker 1: who are giving us space. They're giving us some hours
Speaker 1: to volunteer for I Am the Code, and they're opening
Speaker 1: their offices to have digital club. And they're also traveling
Speaker 1: with us to meet the girls in a most difficult
Speaker 1: places around the world. We are the first organization to
Speaker 1: go into refugee camp in Kenya where the two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people live in the refugee camp, eighteen thousand of
Speaker 1: them are women and girls, and they are the first
Speaker 1: young women and girls in a refugi camp to learn
Speaker 1: how to code. And we in slams when five us
Speaker 1: in Brazil. We are in places where I grow up
Speaker 1: as a young girl. And the reason why I'm going
Speaker 1: back there is to tell the world that those people
Speaker 1: they matter. By going back and giving holding those young
Speaker 1: girls and helping them to be confident and to also
Speaker 1: gain a skill, I believe that coding is the future.
Speaker 1: If they can decode information and build a website or
Speaker 1: build an app and get some skills to help them
Speaker 1: get money. They wouldn't be trafficked, they wouldn't be young prostitutes,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be abused because they have to depend on
Speaker 1: someone else. So I'm trying to change society problems at
Speaker 1: the same time giving young women skills so they don't
Speaker 1: end up like myself. And how about here in the
Speaker 1: United States, Mariam, is there a role for your organization
Speaker 1: to play here? Are you active here? We have some
Speaker 1: major banks who won't support I am the Code and
Speaker 1: hopefully we're going to go to deprived communities. Because our
Speaker 1: content is free. People can use them in prisons, they
Speaker 1: can use them in places. In the UK, we go
Speaker 1: to prisons and places where we can rehabilitate people. So
Speaker 1: we're hoping that by the beginning of twenty twenty. I
Speaker 1: am in the United States. Um, it's such an audacious
Speaker 1: idea to say someone who's been a victim of trafficking
Speaker 1: should be writing software. Have you seen other women who
Speaker 1: followed the kind of path that you did and had
Speaker 1: that extraordinary transformation? Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. I've
Speaker 1: seen many women who some women who've been trafficked and
Speaker 1: have difficulty in their life, but mainly they go into
Speaker 1: the activism the world and share their stories with other
Speaker 1: people around the world. But for me, that's not enough,
Speaker 1: and my pioneering system change. That's what I do. I
Speaker 1: change systems in countries and in government. And I believe
Speaker 1: that the reason why I was trafficked from Senegal and
Speaker 1: the reason why my mother actually abandoned us as children,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was abused and rapped by my
Speaker 1: colonic teacher in my country in Senegal and ultimately traffic
Speaker 1: from Senegal is because the system of the country was broken.
Speaker 1: And so what I try to do, if I am
Speaker 1: the code at the same time, is how do you
Speaker 1: fix systems in countries? How do you educate government and
Speaker 1: the private sector to understand that actually, you know, if
Speaker 1: you mess up one child's life, you know, just messing
Speaker 1: up her life, where you're messing up the entire community's life.
Speaker 1: For example, we don't have birth certificate. We totally are
Speaker 1: in conito in Senegal. And I see this today in
Speaker 1: the Refugi camp where you know, the worst is just
Speaker 1: watching things happening to two million, millions of women and
Speaker 1: girls from Senegal to Nepal. So unless someone come up
Speaker 1: with something very ambitious and very ruthless like I am
Speaker 1: the code, nothing will happen, and I've seen change happening
Speaker 1: from Buendis Areas to Senegal just because I dare to
Speaker 1: be visible and I dare to tell the world. If
Speaker 1: you don't want to find out any more women being
Speaker 1: traffic and taken away, you have to change the system
Speaker 1: in the country. You don't want to have any more
Speaker 1: immigrants in Europe or in the United States, change the
Speaker 1: system in their countries, give them the skills, and as
Speaker 1: soon as you do that, they wouldn't need to come here.
Speaker 1: That's why I want the young girls who have the
Speaker 1: skills in their countries and build the businesses in their countries,
Speaker 1: and if they want to travel, they can have they
Speaker 1: can travel in a very legal way without being insulted.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to fix some of the problems the
Speaker 1: world has failed to fix. Mary. I'm moved by your
Speaker 1: story and inspired by what you're trying to accomplish. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us Unsolvable. Thank you for having me. Wow.
Speaker 1: So an incredible personal journey Mariam has made. But to me,
Speaker 1: what is so thrilling to hear about is the scale
Speaker 1: of her ambition and also her belief that other women
Speaker 1: and some men can use tech skills to thrive and
Speaker 1: flourish the way she has. Mariam's a disruptor in the
Speaker 1: best way possible. Okay, I've got to go and write
Speaker 1: a strongly worded blog post bono on Bob Geldoff now,
Speaker 1: and I'd advise you all to do the same or
Speaker 1: maybe more practically. Why don't you see how you can
Speaker 1: get involved in her mission at I Am Thecode dot org.
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