Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome tonative. Look I messed it up,
Speaker 1: Please keep it in. What did I say? I don't
Speaker 1: know why though, because I had the nerd part right.
Speaker 1: That would be the weird. I think that you didn't
Speaker 1: trust yourself. You have to go through what I've said this.
Speaker 1: I've said this name so many. I helped him up
Speaker 1: with this name, Nernificent, Nerdificent, Welcome to Nerdificent. I am
Speaker 1: one of your hosts, Danny Fernandez, and across from me,
Speaker 1: pounding a muscle milk is your boy. If you want
Speaker 1: to wait, Look, I'm real hyped. You know how stuff works. West,
Speaker 1: we finally got muscle milks in the fridge. Anna super producer.
Speaker 1: Anna was trying to say, who wanted this? Who wanted
Speaker 1: a calorie twenty Grandma proches. We're going to think that
Speaker 1: we're getting paid for this, and I really hope that
Speaker 1: we are. We're not make that work. We're not muscle milk. Look,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna get protein, spatship, I want optimum nutrition
Speaker 1: or isopure hit us up? I will do it. You know,
Speaker 1: speaking of nutrition, I was thinking about this other day.
Speaker 1: We gotta have a nerd strong on so we can
Speaker 1: talk about like nerdy fitness. Oh I would love to. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. That kind of doubles over with our cosplay episode.
Speaker 1: We were talking about some professional cause players that like
Speaker 1: they're just in the gym for like twelve hours getting
Speaker 1: ripped because that's part of their life, is that they
Speaker 1: get hired to actually represent those super buff anime characters. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know it's it's it's crazy. Also, I used
Speaker 1: to see Julian all the time real life trunks because
Speaker 1: I used to go to the Golds down the street,
Speaker 1: the one downtown that's five minutes from five minutes from
Speaker 1: my house, finally upgraded, got new Olympic squat wracks. I'm
Speaker 1: there now, which man, there's nothing like having a good
Speaker 1: gym five minutes away. Oh that's my gym. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I know where um Winston Duke and Baku himself. He
Speaker 1: lives by me, and I know what Jim he works
Speaker 1: out at. And I'm not going to tell anyone, be okay,
Speaker 1: but let me know I can go there, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show you the real man ate right now. I
Speaker 1: thought it was so funny too that I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I thought he would be at like a really private Jim,
Speaker 1: So he's not bothered. He's not like I. The weekend
Speaker 1: Black Panther came out, I watched him jump from like
Speaker 1: six thousand to like It was interesting watching because I
Speaker 1: remember I checked one day to follow him, and then
Speaker 1: when I came back the next day, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's how much you grow when you get in a movie,
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing messing around? Everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you'd be working on your social media and it was like, no,
Speaker 1: he had like two thousand followers book that role, and
Speaker 1: now he's at like a hundred or probably almost a million.
Speaker 1: Well even like Daily's eight guys, when I go in there,
Speaker 1: I get like at least anywhere from like twenty to fifty,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, why aren't you already following me? I've
Speaker 1: been on Daily se guys many times, y'all ain't already
Speaker 1: following the kid? Okay, cool, I'll come back on it
Speaker 1: many times. I need to do. I need to cat
Speaker 1: chup to you and Jamie because oh yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just on there and and Jack introduced me as being
Speaker 1: and he was like, I think this is like her
Speaker 1: sixth time or tenth time on this is my third Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's me, Me, Jamie and Edgar doing big numbers. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember after Edgar's I think second or third appearance,
Speaker 1: I email Dana. I was like, you gotta get me
Speaker 1: back on to I can't have Edgar putting more numbers up.
Speaker 1: I would like three, two to three times a month
Speaker 1: if possible. This has been great promo for the house
Speaker 1: Stuff Works brand and Muscle Milk and um I so
Speaker 1: pure oddly enough, it all has to do with this talk. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Well, you know, because I feel like the
Speaker 1: teenage mutant ninja turtles. They are swoll like you know,
Speaker 1: the toys they were swull and if they have the
Speaker 1: worst diet plan so now, but they're mutants so they
Speaker 1: can eat as much piece as they want and still
Speaker 1: have that six pack that they're rocking they do. I
Speaker 1: think that's their shell though. Well no, because the soft
Speaker 1: bottom nets off. Have you ever rubbed the bottom of
Speaker 1: a turtle? It's hard. That's part of their show. I
Speaker 1: mean it is. It's it's like it's like it's not
Speaker 1: as hard as the top, but it is pretty hard.
Speaker 1: But that's how that's how slow they are that it
Speaker 1: rips through that part too. But Ninja Turtles. Is it's tight?
Speaker 1: How when did you get into Nina? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna upload this on our social media and it's
Speaker 1: going to be a picture of my I think both
Speaker 1: my brothers and I were all turtles. But I do
Speaker 1: remember my mom. She was super into making our costumes. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: we were very poor basically, and so she had turned
Speaker 1: these green salad bowls. Um, you guys can't see, but
Speaker 1: if you just spit out his muscle milk, she turned
Speaker 1: these salad bowls and she like strapped him on our back.
Speaker 1: I love my mom. Um. That was actually one of
Speaker 1: the first real costumes I remembered having. Wasn't Ninja turtle costume.
Speaker 1: Because my dad his thing. He was also super cheap
Speaker 1: and and he would have me be an African prince
Speaker 1: every year. And all that was was I would just
Speaker 1: wear my traditional Nigerian clothes, like no crown. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: even buy the plastic clown. I would just wear my
Speaker 1: Nigerian clothes. He was like, you have an African prince now.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is so whack. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not wrong, but yeah, man, Ninja Turtles was huge
Speaker 1: in my house. We had the bedsheets, we had the toys,
Speaker 1: definitely for Halloween, I think multiple times. So the show
Speaker 1: my my lane. Like I loved Ninja Turtles, but my
Speaker 1: big lane was Street Sharks, Baby Joson. You know, pizza
Speaker 1: burgers is what we like, real line from that show Sharks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I loved them both equally. I loved all my
Speaker 1: sons equally Street Sharks. And they had the dinosaurs who
Speaker 1: they their whole big thing was they were trying to
Speaker 1: start global warming because they were cold blooded. You know,
Speaker 1: lots of fun stuff. All right, I think we dilly
Speaker 1: dallied long enough. Let's just do the deep dive. How
Speaker 1: did the teenage ming Ninja Turtles start? Danny? They actually so.
Speaker 1: They first appeared in a comic book published by Mirage
Speaker 1: Studios in nineteen four in Dover, New Hampshire, created by
Speaker 1: Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird, which Mirage Studios was actually
Speaker 1: a joke. They didn't have a studio, it was just
Speaker 1: Laird's living room. Um. They were two struggling artists living
Speaker 1: in Northampton, Massachusetts when they came up with the Turtles
Speaker 1: in November of nineteen eighty three. So basically as a
Speaker 1: joke Eastman like they were brainstorming together one night, and
Speaker 1: Eastman drew a turtle standing on its hind legs wearing
Speaker 1: a mask with nunchucks strapped to its arms, and he
Speaker 1: wrote Ninja turtle on the top of it, and Laird
Speaker 1: laughed and then drew a more refined version of that,
Speaker 1: and not to be outdone, Eastman then drew four turtles,
Speaker 1: each arm with a ninja's style weapon and then layered
Speaker 1: like outline in the group shot and ink, which we're
Speaker 1: going to include in our notes. I'll probably tweet this out.
Speaker 1: It's like the actual first ever image that they made
Speaker 1: of them. And they added teenage Mutant to the top,
Speaker 1: and they made the teenage Mutant Ninja turtles. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then they used the money for me Eastman's five dollar
Speaker 1: tax refund together with a hundred dollar loan from his
Speaker 1: uncle and two hundred dollars from Layard's empty bank account,
Speaker 1: and they both self published a single issue comic intended
Speaker 1: to parody four of the most popular comics in the
Speaker 1: early eighties, which were Daredevil, New Mutants, Cerebus, and Frank
Speaker 1: Miller's ron In He Hasn't that interesting? So, like the Turtles,
Speaker 1: and Daredevil actually have a lot of similarities. They have
Speaker 1: the same origin story. Um yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know. So in Daredevil number one, so Matt Murdoch
Speaker 1: sees a truck it's about to hit an old man
Speaker 1: knocks He like goes to knock this guy out of
Speaker 1: the way. The truck swerves and like a barrel like
Speaker 1: filled with a radioactive substance falls on him, blind him,
Speaker 1: and then give some superhuman senses. That's a very common
Speaker 1: I feel like having some chemical fall on you, Alex
Speaker 1: mac mac uh. And then the turtles have the same scenario,
Speaker 1: except the barrel it's a boy's head. The canister hits
Speaker 1: a boy's head and then smashes into like a bowl
Speaker 1: of baby turtles, who then fall with this canister into
Speaker 1: an open man hole splinter. They're adopted rat father and
Speaker 1: sense A uh finds them and they are all turned
Speaker 1: into human sized heroes. Yeah, okay, yeah, that I don't.
Speaker 1: I almost want to imagine they're in the same universe.
Speaker 1: I love that, and that those two events are what
Speaker 1: kind of spawned them both. There's actually more connection to Daredevil,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, but yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 1: just this fun there's always been a lot of humor
Speaker 1: in at least some humor in the Ninja Turtle comics,
Speaker 1: and that that has like changed over time, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's always been like a parody of their Marvel properties. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: with their combined money, Eastman and Layered printed three thousand
Speaker 1: copies of the Teenager Ninja Turtles and bought a single
Speaker 1: ad in the Comics Buyer's Guide magazine, and because of
Speaker 1: that app they sold all three thousand copies within a
Speaker 1: few weeks and had thousands more orders coming in, and
Speaker 1: then by January they completed issue number two and had
Speaker 1: orders for fifteen thousand copies and distributors wanted thirty thousand
Speaker 1: copies of issue number one. So it was definitely one
Speaker 1: of those smash hit moments where it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: fun idea, which I now call the Beastie Boys effect,
Speaker 1: because you know, the BC Boys did a rap album
Speaker 1: as a joke and then that became who they were
Speaker 1: they originally a punk band. Yeah, isn't that funny. It's
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that they like made this fake
Speaker 1: studio essentially out of his living room. And then because
Speaker 1: their second issue did so well, people went back and
Speaker 1: ordered thousands more copies of their first issue. So they
Speaker 1: ended up staying Undermarrage Studios from ninety eighty four to
Speaker 1: that's seventy five issues, and they also had a lot
Speaker 1: of mini series and one shots too. Then they moved
Speaker 1: to Image Comics in nineteen six for thirteen issues. And
Speaker 1: this is kind of where things get a little dicey,
Speaker 1: or I would say, fans would say, like, not really,
Speaker 1: cannon Um, this was their's what you're saying, this is
Speaker 1: their Dragon Ball GT era because like a Splinter became
Speaker 1: a back downa Tello became a cyborg, Leonardo lost a hand,
Speaker 1: and Rafael became the new shrad How does that work?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I like that because Rafael was
Speaker 1: always the hothead, so that seems like they could go
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, I'd say try that out in the
Speaker 1: newer runs. But basically Layered and everyone else didn't consider
Speaker 1: those years Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And then they came
Speaker 1: back to Mirage and two thousand and one and ran
Speaker 1: all the way until two thousand ten. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: inleven I d W, which is a comic book publisher,
Speaker 1: they started running a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle comic with
Speaker 1: our work from Eastman, but not who was the original
Speaker 1: co creator, but not with with his co creator laired involved.
Speaker 1: So you know, I guess before we jump into my
Speaker 1: favorite part, which were the movies, I think we uh
Speaker 1: in the animated series, which is very interesting. Something I
Speaker 1: want to point out here is that the version, the
Speaker 1: first version of that we're talking about now, it was
Speaker 1: very adult like. It was an adult it was super violent.
Speaker 1: It was it was actually super cool. And the reason
Speaker 1: I point this out is because I discovered them obviously
Speaker 1: in the nineties with the movies and when they were
Speaker 1: way more kid friendly with the animated series. In the movie.
Speaker 1: But when I was at a comic shop, my mom
Speaker 1: got me the Ninja Turtle comics thinking it was about
Speaker 1: the same, and it was. It was it was pushing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never even told her. I would just read them
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this is they're saying. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would like slice people. Casey who will get into
Speaker 1: as well, Casey Jones, like was pretty violent. They had
Speaker 1: language that there's no way they would say on Nickelodeon now, um,
Speaker 1: and that was I mean, that was written by two
Speaker 1: young guys like you know who read like, that's how
Speaker 1: it is. That's how comics are, like Daredevil comics and
Speaker 1: other things like that. The Marvel comics are like that
Speaker 1: as well. Also was the nineties, which was an extremely
Speaker 1: hyper violent time in comics, like just super dark and
Speaker 1: gritty and super a whole bunch of belts with pockets
Speaker 1: and belts and no, no one has arms, but they're
Speaker 1: super buff, puffed up chest, ready to rock and roll.
Speaker 1: It was very dark and gritty. Yeah, and so um
Speaker 1: this was that's the comics version. So the version that
Speaker 1: we ended up no that most of us know, Like
Speaker 1: you said, the animated series definitely had to be dialed
Speaker 1: down a ton and I also the creators didn't really
Speaker 1: appreciate or agree with it, which we'll get into, but
Speaker 1: before we do, we should talk about the turtles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the turtles are all named after Renaissance painters, and
Speaker 1: they just figured that it's just quirky enough to work
Speaker 1: with the idea of teenage mutant ninja turtles. So first
Speaker 1: everyone has their favorite, but we're just gonna go down
Speaker 1: this in no particular order. Leonardo a k A. Leo
Speaker 1: is the tactical, courageous leader devoted student of his Since
Speaker 1: Leonaro wears the blue mask and wields to katana, you
Speaker 1: know you would think he like most. I feel like
Speaker 1: standard favorite because he had two katanas, and as the
Speaker 1: most conscientious of the four, he often bears the burden
Speaker 1: of responsibility for his brother, which commonly leads to conflict
Speaker 1: with Raphael. Leonardo was named after the we don't need
Speaker 1: to talk about Leonardo da Vinci. Michelangelo the most stereotypical
Speaker 1: teenager of the team. He's very free spirited, relax he's goofy.
Speaker 1: He's a jokester known for his love of pizza, as
Speaker 1: they all are, but he might be the most. He
Speaker 1: wears an orange mask, which will actually get into their
Speaker 1: mask because they changed um. He wields a pair of
Speaker 1: nun chucks. I feel like you're right. I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people were Leo just because of his
Speaker 1: two katanas. I remember, I specifically didn't like Michaelangelo because
Speaker 1: the nut checks. I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: use the nut because when when we were at that age,
Speaker 1: we picked the people who we would pretend to be,
Speaker 1: and you either wanted to be Donna, Tello, Raphael or
Speaker 1: Leonardo because they had the most. I knew a few
Speaker 1: Michelangelo heads, but definitely most people were Leonardo because he
Speaker 1: had the two swords. Not to mention when you had
Speaker 1: to play them at the Chuck E Cheese four player arcade.
Speaker 1: All right, and then up next is Donna Tello, the scientist, inventor, engineer,
Speaker 1: and technological genius aka the Nerd. Donna Tello wears a
Speaker 1: purple mask and wheels a bowstaff. Donna Tello, who is
Speaker 1: perhaps the least violent turtle, preferring to use his knowledge
Speaker 1: to solve conflicts, but never hesitates to defend his brothers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like, what, Well, here's the
Speaker 1: king that I feel like most people everyone has a
Speaker 1: different you know, like, but I feel a lot of
Speaker 1: people gravitate towards Raphael the Jon bad boy yep Vegeta
Speaker 1: wears a red mask, wields a pair of sigh it's
Speaker 1: an aggressive in nature. I mean, yeah, but he's just cocky,
Speaker 1: seldom hesitates to throw the first punch, and he's often
Speaker 1: depicted with a very pronounced New York accent. Where As
Speaker 1: opposed to him, everyone thinks that they're like surfer dudes.
Speaker 1: But I would say the surfer is mainly Michelangelo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they kind of all got that, you know, in
Speaker 1: other iterations of them, and especially in the movie. It's
Speaker 1: I think in the movie actually they're kind of all
Speaker 1: surfer dudes, but I'd have to read at least the
Speaker 1: one that I'm thinking of. Yeah, and then their master
Speaker 1: is Splinter. It's the turtle since and adoptive father Splinters,
Speaker 1: Japanese mutan rat that learned the way of ninjitsu from
Speaker 1: the owner and master Hamato Yoshi. In the TV series
Speaker 1: Archie Comics series and the two thousand twelve TV series,
Speaker 1: Splinter was Hamato Yoshi mutated into a humanoid rat. But
Speaker 1: I like the movie version where the rat was watching
Speaker 1: him and was copying this tiny red It was so cute.
Speaker 1: I need to rewatch. We should well, um, yeah, And
Speaker 1: so to go back to the connection with Daredevil, so
Speaker 1: Splinter is like a parody er based on Matt Murdock
Speaker 1: since I stick, Oh yeah, and you get it, Splinter,
Speaker 1: get the stick, get it? Okay. And then we have
Speaker 1: my girl April O'Neil. So she was a former lab
Speaker 1: assistant to the mad scientist Baxter Stockman and she is
Speaker 1: now a companion of the turtles. There's been a couple
Speaker 1: of different iterations of her. Yeah, she she was a
Speaker 1: television news reporter in the two thousand seven c g
Speaker 1: I film. Wasn't she a reporter in the original one
Speaker 1: in the series. Yeah, No, she's always kind of been
Speaker 1: a reporter, and she definitely was a reporter in the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So April first met the turtles when they saved her
Speaker 1: from Baxter's mouse or robots, and then she embarks on
Speaker 1: many turtle adventures with them, and she does work in
Speaker 1: the public that the turtles cannot people. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: unless those few times when that happens in like the
Speaker 1: cartoons and comics where they wear trench coat and hat,
Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't notice. First off, if you were a
Speaker 1: trench coat and a hat, everyone's gonna be looking at you.
Speaker 1: I'm look at your face, like, yo, does that man's
Speaker 1: have a turtle face? Like what's going on? Oh? Man? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what's so funny is I feel like now
Speaker 1: the world that we live in, it would be totally fine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, people will be like, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: a furry it's yeah exactly. Oh, they're just going to
Speaker 1: like comic Conner. Yeah, don't don't worry about them. The
Speaker 1: next guy up is going to be Casey Jones, and
Speaker 1: vigilante who wears a hockey master to protect his identity.
Speaker 1: Casey Jones has become one of the Turtle's closest allies
Speaker 1: as well as love interest to April. Casey first encountered
Speaker 1: the Turtles after having a fight with Rafael. He fights
Speaker 1: crime with an assortment of sporting goods he carries in
Speaker 1: a golf bag, such as baseball bats, call clubs, and hockey. God.
Speaker 1: See that's what they mean about it being originally like
Speaker 1: kind of violent. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, no they he
Speaker 1: was going hard with those weapons. And I feel like
Speaker 1: he became a fan favorite too, Like when he appeared,
Speaker 1: a lot of people latched on to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you throw a hockey mask on somebody. And then we
Speaker 1: got the main man, shredder Um. He's a villainous master Urukusaki,
Speaker 1: He's a villain. He's the leader of the Foot Clan
Speaker 1: again going back to Daredevil, which is a play on
Speaker 1: the Ninja Clan and Daredevil the hand. Now they named
Speaker 1: it the Foot Clan. It is. It really is all
Speaker 1: things that I never knew when I was little. Um
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, he's the arch enemy of Splinter and
Speaker 1: the Turtles and he prefers to use his armor instead
Speaker 1: of weapons in in some versions of him. Oh yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: and there's other famous villains. But you know, we're running
Speaker 1: on time. We're gonna have a guest on the next half,
Speaker 1: so why don't we just jump ahead. We we can
Speaker 1: talk about villains, but we know what you're here for.
Speaker 1: You want to hear about this talk about TV show,
Speaker 1: the movie, how it became kind of a kiddy show,
Speaker 1: and how they felt about it. And we will get
Speaker 1: into that right after these messages and we are back
Speaker 1: and we're here to talk about everything past just who
Speaker 1: they are. We're going to talk about their legacy. But
Speaker 1: you know, oftentimes, when you know, things like the Ninja
Speaker 1: Turtles are talked about, they're often mentioned that the show
Speaker 1: made to sell toys. But you know, it's like who
Speaker 1: came first, Chicken or the egg? Yeah, do you feel
Speaker 1: like people say that about Oh yeah, I've I've heard
Speaker 1: people say that about that Transformers, like all those like
Speaker 1: g I. Joe's, like these are just shows to sell toys. Well,
Speaker 1: if you are exactly correct, I'm not kidding. The show.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to burst this bubble. Their TV show, the
Speaker 1: first the animated series that you grew up with and loved,
Speaker 1: was only made because they were trying to sell toys
Speaker 1: or like, I'm not kidding. So so a licensing agent,
Speaker 1: Mark Freeman, he sought out Eastman and Laird, the two
Speaker 1: co creators, and he proposed to them a wider merchandise opportunity.
Speaker 1: So basically, the toys came first. They wanted to have
Speaker 1: the toys they wanted and it's smart, like look at them,
Speaker 1: you know, having a set of turtles like they have
Speaker 1: nne Chucks. They come with different accessories. So in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six, Dark Horse Miniatures produced a set of fifteen
Speaker 1: millimeter so literally like half an inch lead figurines. Yes
Speaker 1: they were lad yep. And then in January seven, Eastman
Speaker 1: and Laird visited the offices of Playmates Toys, which is
Speaker 1: a small California toy company that wanted to expand into
Speaker 1: the action figure market. So this is what happened. Development
Speaker 1: started between a creative team of companies and individuals including
Speaker 1: Jerry Sachs who is the advertising agent of Sax Finley
Speaker 1: Agency and They brought together animators from Mura Comie Wolf Swenson,
Speaker 1: which was headed by Fred Wolf, and the team combined
Speaker 1: concepts and ideas with the Playmates marketing crew. They brought
Speaker 1: on writer John Schulte, who helped them make a simple
Speaker 1: backstory that would live on the toy packaging for the
Speaker 1: entire run of the product and show wow, I mean
Speaker 1: it's funny. So so they basically it seems like they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, we want your turtles, but we're gonna redo everything.
Speaker 1: Because for them to be writing a new backstory when
Speaker 1: you know the comics already had a pretty solid one
Speaker 1: well Playmate Toys. Playmates Toys, their demographic that they wanted
Speaker 1: for this was ages four to eight, so there's no
Speaker 1: way they're PG. Thirteen thing with with the turtle slicing
Speaker 1: people and saying damn and stuff like that did not
Speaker 1: fit their target audience. So the this is Crazy plays
Speaker 1: the toy Company and their team essentially served as associate
Speaker 1: producers and contributing writers to the miniseries that was first
Speaker 1: launched to sell the action figures. So so phrases like
Speaker 1: heroes and a half shell, which is very popular, and
Speaker 1: some of their comical catch phrases like turtle power that
Speaker 1: actually came from their creative team. It's just such like
Speaker 1: a it's something that you and I know, and I
Speaker 1: think that we've all kind of been exposed to now.
Speaker 1: But when you're like, oh no, they literally made the
Speaker 1: show to sell toys. I mean, it's a great show
Speaker 1: and we all love it, but it's just like you're
Speaker 1: just pulling back the veil, pulling it back. I mean,
Speaker 1: and if you think this is just a product of
Speaker 1: the like eighties, that it's still going on, like that's
Speaker 1: why what was it? Was it Young Justice or one
Speaker 1: of the recent Justice League shows that had like a
Speaker 1: great diverse cast, great characters. They canceled it because it
Speaker 1: wasn't selling enough toys. Oh man, there's so many things
Speaker 1: if we at some of the channels that you and
Speaker 1: I host that I'll get hit up about branded off
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, so and so wants to sell this.
Speaker 1: Do you have a show you can pitch to sell this?
Speaker 1: I'm not, oh man, I mean you know that's that.
Speaker 1: That's how it works, That's how it used to work.
Speaker 1: That's why the perfect combination is being able to combine
Speaker 1: the two and still produce a good one. It's really
Speaker 1: funny because there's so many things people don't know that
Speaker 1: was just made to sell something, and you'll you would
Speaker 1: never know because the same thing they bring on a
Speaker 1: creative team or they have animators or whatever. Uh, and
Speaker 1: you have no idea that the whole pitch was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we need to sell this product. Yeah, well, let's get
Speaker 1: into the show itself. So on December seven, the Teenage
Speaker 1: mut Ninja Turtles first cartoon series Begain, starting as a
Speaker 1: five part mini series and becoming a regular Saturday morning
Speaker 1: syndicated series on October one. Your Boy was born then
Speaker 1: I was zero years old. Uh and it and it
Speaker 1: had thirteen more episodes in that see. Uh so here's something.
Speaker 1: In the comics they all wore red masks, but for
Speaker 1: the anime series they gave them different colors, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure toys toys, you know, you can't. You can't sell
Speaker 1: one toy with the same when they all look the same.
Speaker 1: Oh man, So with this show, Mirage Studios again, which
Speaker 1: was now a legit studio, no longer just in the
Speaker 1: living room. They didn't own the rights to the cartoon series.
Speaker 1: So Eastman and Laird they did actually have the final
Speaker 1: say on their creations, and they went along with it,
Speaker 1: but neither were happy about it. So they're They're Pg. Thirteen.
Speaker 1: Comic was now turned into something that five year olds
Speaker 1: could essentially watch um. The show placed a much stronger
Speaker 1: emphasis on humor than the comics do. Here we have
Speaker 1: our ninja turtles that are now like for wise cracking,
Speaker 1: like pizza obsessed superheroes um as opposed to the dark
Speaker 1: like ninjas. They were they were they were basically it was.
Speaker 1: It was very similar to Daredevil in the sense that
Speaker 1: they were urban ninjas and they were out there slicing
Speaker 1: people up to save the day. No longer. So. In
Speaker 1: March two thousand twelve, Layered said that in his blog,
Speaker 1: among other things, there would have likely been no moronic
Speaker 1: Hinchman like Bebop and rock Steady, which is funny. Well
Speaker 1: that's what's funny when it's your your baby, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like you get distanced and out of touch of
Speaker 1: like what's working, and even like if you don't like it,
Speaker 1: you don't care that it's popular, like like he probably
Speaker 1: still thinks it's done. But Bebop and rock Steady I
Speaker 1: do agree they are a hit. The Shredder would have
Speaker 1: been seriously malevolent. April would not have been a reporter
Speaker 1: and constantly need to be rescued by the Turtles. That's
Speaker 1: the one day. And the Turtles would not have been
Speaker 1: so ridiculously obsessed with pizza, and the Shredder would not
Speaker 1: have had as one of his businesses a restaurant called
Speaker 1: pizza another valid complaint. And the show would not have
Speaker 1: had a joke or gag every five seconds. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like Deadpool. Yeah, well, you know it's funny because
Speaker 1: he's like, if I had my way with the show,
Speaker 1: it would have just been the animated comic and it
Speaker 1: was like cool, but it would not have been a
Speaker 1: smash of a hit. It would have but not. Then
Speaker 1: I think it just comes to something I often find that, like,
Speaker 1: as cringeing as it sometimes, maybe the family friendly route
Speaker 1: just has more staying power. It just really does having
Speaker 1: Like if the animated series would have been like the comics,
Speaker 1: there is a chance that it would have been a
Speaker 1: short lived series that has looked back upon, like something
Speaker 1: like Ocative, which is amazing in a artistic sense. But
Speaker 1: if you look at something like the Ninja Turtles, which
Speaker 1: is just a cash cow, which they get to keep
Speaker 1: getting that piece of pie. But that's the thing. Where
Speaker 1: are when you're making really good art, you really don't
Speaker 1: care about the money? Yeah, yeah, you know what. To me,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I wonder if he was comparing himself
Speaker 1: to other comic book writers and artists that got to
Speaker 1: have actual like you know, I mean it was originally
Speaker 1: though a parody of Daredevil, but Daredevil is so much
Speaker 1: more violent and uh wait, there's like actual weight to
Speaker 1: it when maybe he's comparing it to that, even though
Speaker 1: the Turtles were a parody of you know, actual comics. Also,
Speaker 1: if you want to have mentioned like there is an
Speaker 1: argument there that the current state of the Turtles are
Speaker 1: following the true spirit of what they were born out of,
Speaker 1: which was a joke. The terms start off being serious.
Speaker 1: It was just this joke of like look at this,
Speaker 1: look at this, and then we got money and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh now let's make our thing. But I do like
Speaker 1: the fact that he said April wouldn't be constantly need
Speaker 1: to be rescued by the Turtles, which makes me think,
Speaker 1: like I wonder if she could have had her own definitely,
Speaker 1: you know, she could have been electra Um. So that
Speaker 1: series ran until Yeah. And then the second animated series
Speaker 1: ran from two thousand three to two thousand nine. It
Speaker 1: was produced by four Kids, same company h and co
Speaker 1: produced by the Mirage Comics, which means it was a
Speaker 1: little closer to the comics and the other show Darker
Speaker 1: and Edge Year like the seven Scar two series lasted
Speaker 1: until two thousand nine, ending with a feature length television
Speaker 1: movie titled Turtles Forever. I remember I remember this run
Speaker 1: because this is about when I was in high school
Speaker 1: when it ended, and I remember Turtles Forever being like
Speaker 1: a big event for a lot of turtle heads. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the third animated show ran from this is
Speaker 1: the most recent one to seventeen. It was bought by Nickelodeon,
Speaker 1: and then that featured the new c g I Turtles,
Speaker 1: which I felt like, We're pretty well received this one.
Speaker 1: This one was very liked. This was a people really
Speaker 1: enjoyed this series. And then Nickelodeon announced the fourth animated series,
Speaker 1: Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which is gonna
Speaker 1: air in September, and I've seen some early stuff. It
Speaker 1: looks pretty pretty dope, and it role Neil is Black
Speaker 1: in this one. That's dope. And our friend Ben Schwartz
Speaker 1: is one of the voices and should be noted Rob Paulson,
Speaker 1: who was in the original animated show, he voiced Rafael.
Speaker 1: He got to come back for the third animated series
Speaker 1: and this time they switched to Donna Tello. Y you
Speaker 1: know who did Rafael? Was it Sean Aston? Yeah? That
Speaker 1: was Remember how I said Rob Paulson did talking tunes?
Speaker 1: Huh uh the improv that was the episode. I was
Speaker 1: there when he had Sean Aston man if he met him.
Speaker 1: I met him at Rijan, which is a very fancy
Speaker 1: grocery store here, and um, he was friends with my ex,
Speaker 1: my ex boyfriend, and I was very kind and polite
Speaker 1: and also made a joke about how I could do better.
Speaker 1: So that is funny. So the films, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: so this is where my same kicks in. Baby. What's
Speaker 1: funny about the films is that none of them did
Speaker 1: well critically zero, but they did. It was surprising to
Speaker 1: me because all of these were like Oscar Worthy when
Speaker 1: I was killed. Now going back, I'm like, oh, but
Speaker 1: funny enough, all these films made money. There was not
Speaker 1: a single flop, even though they were all critically put
Speaker 1: paned which I think goes back to once Again the audience.
Speaker 1: If these movies were targeted towards adults, I think being
Speaker 1: critically panned would make it fail. But that's the cool
Speaker 1: thing with once Again family friendly movies is when your
Speaker 1: options are like a quiet place. You know, saw thirty
Speaker 1: two and like, you know all the stuff, and you're like,
Speaker 1: what kid movies out, You're gonna go see it no
Speaker 1: matter what, You're not gonna look at how it was rated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's really funny if he is. I had
Speaker 1: no idea that people didn't like Batman and Robin until
Speaker 1: I grew up, No, until I moved here, and like,
Speaker 1: I was so great, dude. His outfit it was very much.
Speaker 1: It was just was over the top. This set designed,
Speaker 1: the costumes were over the top. I loved it as
Speaker 1: a kid, loved it. Had the little glass the glasses
Speaker 1: that you could get like from Burger King or whatever.
Speaker 1: I loved Poison Ivy. I loved everything back girl like
Speaker 1: Burger King used to be the plug for movie March.
Speaker 1: I remember I had the sunglasses they gave out for
Speaker 1: a Wild Wild West, and I was real geeked because
Speaker 1: my mom got it for me on the way to Disneyland,
Speaker 1: and I was like, hell yeah, and I was rocking
Speaker 1: them all day. And then I went on Space Mountain
Speaker 1: put it in my pocket and fell out and fell
Speaker 1: out of my pocket, So I was no longer a
Speaker 1: dope boy. Um. But yeah, let's talk about the first
Speaker 1: teenager ninja turtle that came out. In it started Judith
Speaker 1: Hoague as April O'Neil, Elias Coatis as a hockey mask
Speaker 1: wearing vigilante Casey Jones, with the vocal talents of Corey
Speaker 1: Feldman as Donna Tello, Brian Tocy as Leonardo, Robbie Wrist
Speaker 1: as Michelangelo, and Josh Pie as Raphael. The various creatures
Speaker 1: were created by Jim Henson's creature show. Yeah. And while
Speaker 1: the film was panned by critics at the time of
Speaker 1: the released, fans dug the movie. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, uh and it was turned it turned into
Speaker 1: uh the highest grossing independent film of all time at
Speaker 1: the time. And uh So the budget was thirteen point
Speaker 1: five million and they made two hundred and two million
Speaker 1: at the box office, which is a nice come up.
Speaker 1: So then the next year they released Teenage Turtles to
Speaker 1: the Secret of Ooze, and that was one year after
Speaker 1: the events of the first film, Piece of Delivery. Boy
Speaker 1: named Keino inadvertently encounters burglars on his root and tries
Speaker 1: to stop them. Um so this is the one where
Speaker 1: Shredder turns in the super Shredder at the end, and
Speaker 1: then he gets knocked into a trash can and Keino,
Speaker 1: this guy who we just talked about freaking goes oops
Speaker 1: and hits the trash compactor and kills this dude and
Speaker 1: murders Shredder and blood like in a cute way like oves.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but people die in kid films. Oh, man,
Speaker 1: I don't I know that was No. No, I think
Speaker 1: it was teenage mutant ninja turtle on. No, I think
Speaker 1: you were right. The Shredder suit, by the way, in
Speaker 1: the nineties was madically. Yes, he goes in the trash
Speaker 1: machine yep, and he's like in it yep, And Casey
Speaker 1: Jones goes, he whistles, and he murders him cold blood
Speaker 1: and you see his helmet gets smushed. Yeah, no, he
Speaker 1: straight murdered it. You know that was pretty dark. It was,
Speaker 1: but there's so many I mean, think of every Disney
Speaker 1: film ever, those are all dark because the fairy tales
Speaker 1: they were based off of were extremely dope. That's true
Speaker 1: that Little Mermaid did not have a happy ending. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's true. I don't think snow White did either. But
Speaker 1: my bad for the Keno stands who just were up
Speaker 1: in arms for a second. Man, is Keno is cool? Okay?
Speaker 1: So then that led to teenage muting Ninja Turtles three,
Speaker 1: which they were just knocking these outs. Yeah, because the
Speaker 1: first one was in the nine. Two three was in nine.
Speaker 1: This was like the height. Yeah. So the second movie
Speaker 1: brought in seventy eight million, which isn't as much as
Speaker 1: the first one, but was still a come up. And
Speaker 1: then then the third one they went the back to
Speaker 1: the Future three route and went back in the past.
Speaker 1: There was something about the nineties and the threes being
Speaker 1: a time travel movie and went back in the time
Speaker 1: to feudal Japan. All three of these were critically critically panned. Uh.
Speaker 1: I want to read the reviews from this. That's that's why.
Speaker 1: That's what I was looking at. Have one one snippet
Speaker 1: from James Burrardinelli, who gave it one out of four
Speaker 1: stars and said any adults accompanying their kids will have
Speaker 1: to invent new and interesting ways to stay awake. Not
Speaker 1: only is this movie aimed at young children, the script
Speaker 1: could been written by them mad burn wow. But also yes,
Speaker 1: like it was aimed at young children, and to me
Speaker 1: it was successful if we still remember it. And once
Speaker 1: again this was another success with this time the wait
Speaker 1: and I read TV Guide gave it two out of
Speaker 1: four stars and said in their review, if the time
Speaker 1: travel gimmick has to be employed twice in a row,
Speaker 1: then it's probably best to banish these characters to retirement. Sewer.
Speaker 1: You know whoever wrote that thought they were being clever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: now back then that probably was that smoke okay uh.
Speaker 1: And then teenage Ming Nina two four, which was I
Speaker 1: mean not four, but it was the reboot in two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen that also was critically pained. But this one
Speaker 1: I remember a few people being hyped about. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the design of the turtles. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought they were weird. But in
Speaker 1: the end, with their budget of one brought in four
Speaker 1: hundred nine, it's because they had some heavy hitters with
Speaker 1: it too. I remember Megan Fox was April. I remember
Speaker 1: when they brought in Will Arnett. Yeah, also Whoopi Goldberg Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it um Johnny Knoxville. Yeah. There were a bunch
Speaker 1: of people that were in it and it Yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: that's going to be another one that you know. I
Speaker 1: feel like kids really enjoyed it. I think the fans
Speaker 1: who went back for nostalgia's sake, yea did not like it,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't watch it. I've skipped so many
Speaker 1: reboots that you haven't seen the first Transformers because I
Speaker 1: did not like the design of it. Did not like
Speaker 1: the design. That's not, in my opinion, the best Transformers
Speaker 1: movie is the first one. Anything after that, especially the
Speaker 1: latest ones. I won't say because I have a good
Speaker 1: rapport with the Universal, but did not know, did not
Speaker 1: at all like the design of it, and skipped that
Speaker 1: as well. So, I mean that was when she buff
Speaker 1: everybody really loved him. I've after learning that's skipping Dragonball
Speaker 1: Evolution was the best decision of my life. Not having
Speaker 1: any images of that movie burned into my head, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna skip movies that need to
Speaker 1: be skipped. All right, Well, I have some little known
Speaker 1: facts before we bring on our guests, So one of
Speaker 1: them is that Eastman and Laird. They were actually sued
Speaker 1: for five million by Buffalo Bob Smith, he was the
Speaker 1: host of The Howdy Duty Show, because he claimed they
Speaker 1: stole cowabunga from his program. So that that word was
Speaker 1: first used as a catch phrase greeting of a Native
Speaker 1: American character named Chief thunder thud God. However, it had
Speaker 1: been adopted by surfers in the nineteen sixties. It was
Speaker 1: very popular. I don't know if he came up with it,
Speaker 1: but whatever, And after a few months of going back
Speaker 1: and forth, they actually did end up giving him fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: so you can sue it. And didn't we talk about
Speaker 1: this before? You can see anyone for anything? Yeah. Basically.
Speaker 1: In addition to the American series, the Japanese Lucive two
Speaker 1: episode anime original video animation a k a o v
Speaker 1: A was made in nineteen nineties six titled Mutant Turtles
Speaker 1: Jean Din Set suhan Uh. The ov A is similar
Speaker 1: in tone to the TV series and uses the same
Speaker 1: voices from TV Tokyo's Japanese dub of the TV series.
Speaker 1: The first episode was made to advertise the teenage NAT
Speaker 1: Super Mutant toys, once again made for toys and featured
Speaker 1: the Turtles as superheroes. Yeah, it's all for toys, all
Speaker 1: for toys, and yeah, I think those those are some
Speaker 1: fun facts and we'll get into some more fun stuff
Speaker 1: when we come back. And we talked to our guests,
Speaker 1: So why don't you stick around and listen to what
Speaker 1: these fine folks have to say on this brain And
Speaker 1: we are back and we are joined by comedian actor
Speaker 1: writer Eric Barnes. Thanks, so you wrote a m You
Speaker 1: wrote a really funny Rancor article that was why I
Speaker 1: hit you up to be on this and it was
Speaker 1: the sixteen worst teenage mutant Ninja Turtle villains that nobody
Speaker 1: cared about. How did you come up with this? I
Speaker 1: came up with it a combination of pitching and just
Speaker 1: I'm just a big Ninja Turtles nerd and I knew that,
Speaker 1: especially the eighties cartoon. It's so cheesy that there was
Speaker 1: a lot of terrible villains out there that were um
Speaker 1: that many fans they're deep polls. Yeah, we were talking
Speaker 1: about that because funny enough, the Fighting show. The new
Speaker 1: choreographer I have he actually is Kevin Eastman's a trainer.
Speaker 1: He's the one who wanted him to do. And so
Speaker 1: I was talking about how we did this podcast, how
Speaker 1: we were talking about Ninja Turtles and how they weren't
Speaker 1: working together. Well just they their visions were different there,
Speaker 1: and he was saying that, Yeah, Eastman was saying that
Speaker 1: he like learned a lot about business from that deal
Speaker 1: because just the licensing, the deal just couldn't be better.
Speaker 1: It's they still you know, made a good amount of money,
Speaker 1: but it could have definitely been better. God, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's most people's stories when they make it or
Speaker 1: whatever is they're finding out, like, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give this over and now my superheroes super into pizza.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I don't look. The cool
Speaker 1: thing about, at least Ninja Turtles as a property is
Speaker 1: that Eastman was able to like redirect his own version,
Speaker 1: version and vision of what the thing he created could be.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Playmates had their own thing for
Speaker 1: the toys, and now Nickelodeon has their own version and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I think arguably it would not have been
Speaker 1: as big as it did without that bad deal, like
Speaker 1: the bad because I think if the TV show would
Speaker 1: have been like this dark, pretty like the direction they
Speaker 1: were going, and it would not have went anywhere. But
Speaker 1: the way that it was built was built in this
Speaker 1: model that we're learning like two decades in that can
Speaker 1: be rints repeated almost for so you get more longevity
Speaker 1: out of it versus just going with like your truest vision.
Speaker 1: And then now so many people know about Ninja Turtles
Speaker 1: that you can do a new comic run that is
Speaker 1: that original dark, gritty boot and still have the licensing
Speaker 1: checks coming in for the kids versions that are Nina Turtles.
Speaker 1: For anybody, whether you're thirty or a teenager or like
Speaker 1: five years old, it's it's fantastic. I would like if
Speaker 1: they did in the style of Batman, the animated series,
Speaker 1: but within Ninja Turtles that that was good. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: that be good? Then you need to see the two
Speaker 1: thousand three series on Fox. Yeah, because it was a
Speaker 1: good hybrid of a lot of the original Eastman storylines
Speaker 1: along with it being a little bit kid friendly, like
Speaker 1: um like Shredder gets beheaded in that one h Granted
Speaker 1: it's just a shadow and Shredder turns out to be
Speaker 1: an ultron, which is just a version of craying inside
Speaker 1: of stomach, so it was a robot head. But still
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's not your typical Saturday morning flair.
Speaker 1: Is that the one that introduced Venus. No, that was
Speaker 1: like a live action sort of Saban. That's when they
Speaker 1: were teamed up with Saban for like a Power Rangers
Speaker 1: type the type show. The Venus came in on one
Speaker 1: of the newer reboots of the cartoons. That's when he
Speaker 1: came in. Yes, she was a female turtle. That she
Speaker 1: was the female turtle. And they're like, we're all named
Speaker 1: after like they've got Hella super Meta and they were like,
Speaker 1: we're all named after you know, these great artists. We
Speaker 1: had to think of something Venus de Milo Venus, which
Speaker 1: still logically doesn't make y yeah, but the creation of
Speaker 1: the artists. Yeah, I remember I remember her from the
Speaker 1: brief like live action show with Saban, but I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess she ended Yeah, she did end up in
Speaker 1: the show Man. There's just so many versions. It's like
Speaker 1: when the female Eminem came out for a second that
Speaker 1: my brain was a little sluggish and I thought there
Speaker 1: was a female rapper Eminem and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: it took yeah, it took me a second. Oh yeah, no, No,
Speaker 1: she was hot. They really for some reason, they really
Speaker 1: wanted us to really sexually confused. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: eat her and eater anyways. Okay, wait, so who are
Speaker 1: your top favorite villains then? Obviously the Shredder. I would
Speaker 1: say Shredder, Baxter, Stockman, Kran, and the rat King in
Speaker 1: that particular order, but there are many, but there are
Speaker 1: many others. Shredder just because he's the o G. He
Speaker 1: was there in the original like comic book series. They
Speaker 1: didn't think too far ahead because they killed him pretty
Speaker 1: much in the first story arc, but they brought him back,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's just just this cool kind of character.
Speaker 1: I actually have an animation cell of the original series
Speaker 1: of the Shredder at my home. But yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: do the Turtles without the Shredder because it's equal parts
Speaker 1: menacing while being goofy, which is kind of what the
Speaker 1: whole Ninja Turtles law is. Krang because he's the second
Speaker 1: o G in a way, because he's just a weird
Speaker 1: hybrid of like there's this race of like brains that
Speaker 1: try to take over the world, and sometimes they're evil,
Speaker 1: sometimes they're not. Sometimes they end up being the Shredder
Speaker 1: in a robot suit. Uh, it's just a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's so weird and messy but super cool. Baxter Stockman
Speaker 1: goes from in the comics in the original comic being
Speaker 1: this African American man scientist to this doc brown like
Speaker 1: Weasley looking mad scientists in the eighties show to a
Speaker 1: muteant fly to back to being an African American scientist
Speaker 1: who who ends up bodyless and has like all kinds
Speaker 1: of like cybernetic robot enhancements, to now in the current
Speaker 1: I d W run, he's back to being like an
Speaker 1: African American genius and he has a horde of like
Speaker 1: robotic not just the Mouser's which have always been a
Speaker 1: constant with him, but going back to his fly roots
Speaker 1: and has like seberman attic fly mutants that are at
Speaker 1: his command. So it's nuts. The Rat King the connection
Speaker 1: with Splinter from the eighties cartoon just being able to
Speaker 1: control rats is weird. But in the current I d
Speaker 1: W series, I love the I d W series because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm old, I'm old, and it's a
Speaker 1: little and it's a little bit more mature, and now
Speaker 1: the Rat King is now part of this weird godlike
Speaker 1: pantheon of endless immortal beings that just try to you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like low key in a way in the
Speaker 1: Marvel universe, and he's trying to just screw with humanity
Speaker 1: and it's super fun and weird and he's like the
Speaker 1: pipe Piper of Hamlin. I was gonna say, did you
Speaker 1: see this Baxter Stockman um Funko Pop and his fly form?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's funny. It's funny the things that you
Speaker 1: latch onto when you're a black nerd. But that was
Speaker 1: the one thing I remember was Baxter was black, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh man, they got this black scientist. Dude.
Speaker 1: He's a bad guy, but it's cool because he's like
Speaker 1: he a brother. But I do remember the fly version
Speaker 1: and I think he was still black in this version
Speaker 1: too of the Teenage Meeting Ninja Turtle video game, because
Speaker 1: you see that he's the first boss you go up against,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this is so cool. Also,
Speaker 1: I like play that nonstopic because my stepbrother had that
Speaker 1: for the Genesis and so we just would keep playing
Speaker 1: that one in Turtles in Time. So good, so good,
Speaker 1: by the way, Bebop and rock Steady is my favorite,
Speaker 1: like bumbling idiot duo. They just look cool too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they look cool too, you know. Yeah, I'm one of
Speaker 1: those fans that ship them soup fun like they were
Speaker 1: my favorite. But we can find some of that on tumbling.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure there's many a dev and art
Speaker 1: page dedicated. So talk to us about some of these
Speaker 1: lesser known villains. What would be like your talk? The
Speaker 1: vast majority of these, Yeah, the vast majority of these
Speaker 1: are from the eighties two areas which you know, they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's for kids, so we don't have to think too hard. Um,
Speaker 1: And they really didn't. It just seemed to work. And
Speaker 1: a lot of them are kind of rip offs of
Speaker 1: other things in pop culture. One such thing is Mr Og,
Speaker 1: who is essentially Mr mixel Plick but you can't use
Speaker 1: the term Mr mixel Plick and just changes and alters
Speaker 1: reality and just messes with the Ninja Turtles and has
Speaker 1: goofy puns because that's how that cartoon series rolls. The Gribbics, Uh,
Speaker 1: they just one of the writers or a whole team
Speaker 1: of them just saw Gremlin's or the Trouble with Triples
Speaker 1: and decided to merge it together and create this cute
Speaker 1: little thing that you know, transforms into this like little
Speaker 1: bear like monster with antenna. It looks like it looks
Speaker 1: like Bozzy Bear and like a pork or something. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the and the original form is kind of like
Speaker 1: a Teddy Bear and mixed with a snork. Yeah that's exactly. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's much more spot on and it's um And then
Speaker 1: then they got there's a Frip the Polarisoid. Okay, kids,
Speaker 1: back in the day before digital photos were a thing,
Speaker 1: they had polaroid cameras which you would take a picture
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it would develop right
Speaker 1: in front of you and you have to shake it,
Speaker 1: like the song says, in order to see it. And
Speaker 1: this alien The whole premise of this episode is Frip
Speaker 1: the Polarissoid goes on vacation and he just takes pictures
Speaker 1: of Earth with his camera, and his camera just absorbs
Speaker 1: and takes in whatever he takes a picture of and
Speaker 1: places it into an alternate dimension that he could just
Speaker 1: look at and and that sounds kind of scary, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard when he looks and dresses like
Speaker 1: a tourist, but he talks with a voice. Little popular
Speaker 1: the canned Weird like almost kind of Jewish racist, Like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: photo there's a character like that, because I like the
Speaker 1: actor that does it. But in um Lelo and Stitch,
Speaker 1: that alien the one. Oh oh Kevin McDonald, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he does. Um that sounds like No, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of ones that sound like that. Yeah, It's just like
Speaker 1: in Looney Tunes and all that. They just take like
Speaker 1: these old timey voices, stock voices from old Hollywood people,
Speaker 1: and they just do their bad impression of them, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's a new voice for a character.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm looking up on IMDb. Did
Speaker 1: Kevin McDonald do the voice of this polarizoid? Oh god, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Oh he wasn't Angry Beavers? Oh and
Speaker 1: cow and Chicken learning so much. He has a nice
Speaker 1: high pitched tone that Kevin McDonald. But yeah, there's just
Speaker 1: so many in the old series. Um at one point,
Speaker 1: you know, every everyone knows that Shredder or Crying or
Speaker 1: some version or duo of them are kind of the
Speaker 1: main big bads. It's a series. But but in the
Speaker 1: original they took a backseat in the later years in
Speaker 1: favor of Lord Dregg who was actually kind of scary
Speaker 1: looking for a kid and had this you know, deep
Speaker 1: powerful voice and is a weird bug like alien and
Speaker 1: it just kind of things took a darker turn in
Speaker 1: the original series. Well, you were talking about how you're
Speaker 1: old yank at which iteration of the Ninja Turtles were
Speaker 1: you introduced in? Because it's fun, because I feel like
Speaker 1: this is very similar to Power Rangers, where there's depending
Speaker 1: on when you were born, you were introd into a
Speaker 1: different version of this, right. I was introduced to the
Speaker 1: cartoon uh series back in the day. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like three years old or something like that, three or
Speaker 1: four years old, and just absorbed it then. And then
Speaker 1: growing up, I subscribed to the Archie comics version because
Speaker 1: that was the kid friendly, safe version. It was the
Speaker 1: first comic book I ever subscribed to, because, um, back
Speaker 1: in the day you were able to do comic books
Speaker 1: and by a subscription and get them in the mail.
Speaker 1: And then, uh yeah, I've just kind of been married
Speaker 1: to the franchise ever since. Watched all the movies, read
Speaker 1: all the older books as I got older, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: the more mature stuff. And then the two thousand three
Speaker 1: series came out back when I was in like high school,
Speaker 1: I think high school or college, and then yeah, I
Speaker 1: just kept following it because, uh, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: good thing is is that a lot of these newer
Speaker 1: versions of the Turtles lawer and franchise are written by
Speaker 1: fans and they were making well what would I do
Speaker 1: with this? And thus it makes it appealing to me
Speaker 1: because it's being written by my peers and people that
Speaker 1: I grew up with the franchise. So it's still kid
Speaker 1: friendly a lot of at least all the television shows are,
Speaker 1: but there's still a little bit of sophistication. Like Danny,
Speaker 1: you were talking about Batman, the animated series, A lot
Speaker 1: of it has a lot of great plot and you know,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of silliness and story and story
Speaker 1: in both the two thousand three and flash forward and
Speaker 1: in the Nickelodeon runs, but it's not as cheesy and
Speaker 1: just uh as much as I love the original series,
Speaker 1: a lot of episodes you don't need to see, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more. There's a lot more plot and character
Speaker 1: development in the newer stuff. Well, yeah, it's it's funny
Speaker 1: that you were saying for fans, you know, by fans
Speaker 1: because That's something we touched on on the Fan Films
Speaker 1: episode where Yeah, and I feel like that is a
Speaker 1: constant that goes through and I feel I think we
Speaker 1: talked about this in the m c U two. When
Speaker 1: you have a connection to the source material, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna want to produce the best version of it. Like
Speaker 1: I have a friend who does who works on BN
Speaker 1: tent and she was saying how much she liked the
Speaker 1: design of the monsters on there, so of course she
Speaker 1: her big fun challenge for herself is how cool she
Speaker 1: can make these new monsters and the new reboot of
Speaker 1: Bent tenants. I feel like that's where you get things like,
Speaker 1: you know, Batman and Robin and Batman. When you remember
Speaker 1: Tim Burton said he's never read a Batman comic, and
Speaker 1: I feel like he was saying that almost bragging, but
Speaker 1: you could tell when you watch it was like, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we know you didn't. That's why you have a
Speaker 1: catwoman looking like a B D. S M. You know,
Speaker 1: look dot, it's it's like And oddly enough, she continued
Speaker 1: to look like a dot after that. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: you when you have an attachment to it, you almost
Speaker 1: want to honor the work that you're doing versus and
Speaker 1: we as creators, you know, as creators, we want to
Speaker 1: create what we want to create, and unless we have
Speaker 1: an attachment to what we're creating when we're working from
Speaker 1: a source, then we're gonna want to do our thing
Speaker 1: with it. But if you're a fan of it, you're
Speaker 1: gonna want to honor what you're doing. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be worried about what you think should go, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna worry about what's gonna be the coolest thing, what's
Speaker 1: gonna be the best. And I find that that's what
Speaker 1: makes you know, the I d W series people have
Speaker 1: been hailing it for since it came back good. I
Speaker 1: think that's the reason right there. Yeah, And and the
Speaker 1: cool thing is is that there's also room for what
Speaker 1: you were saying about people wanting to put their own
Speaker 1: mark on it, like this upcoming teenagement in Ninja Turl
Speaker 1: series is couldn't be more different. April Neil is a
Speaker 1: person of color, Raphael is now the oldest Ninja Turtle
Speaker 1: and has Tanfa's instead of his side, and just the
Speaker 1: dynamics are different, and it's just kind of it's cool
Speaker 1: because we now live in a world in which if
Speaker 1: you like the old corny like show, it's still there.
Speaker 1: You can still watch it. If you like the kind
Speaker 1: of a hybrid of stuff, the two thousand three series
Speaker 1: is there. If you want something CG and new, the
Speaker 1: series there if you want something more contemporary and sophisticated.
Speaker 1: An adult IDW comic book series is there. And now
Speaker 1: there's this brand new thing that is still a love
Speaker 1: letter to the original sources, but is twisted and made
Speaker 1: at its own thing for a modern era and a
Speaker 1: new generation of fans. Oh yeah, I mean you're a
Speaker 1: rational person, And of course that is not the way
Speaker 1: fans think of it. No matter how Undercats, ThunderCats, Ghostbusters,
Speaker 1: the New Power Rangers movies, anything that taps into their source,
Speaker 1: people acclaim ownership. If that's because they destroyed all the
Speaker 1: original uh materials again, right, that sounds like that's why
Speaker 1: people are mad, correct. I really didn't know that the
Speaker 1: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had that issue, But are you
Speaker 1: saying that they also have that issue along with Star
Speaker 1: Wars and every other for handship Well, I don't even
Speaker 1: want to give these opinions because I like to think
Speaker 1: of these opinions as French opinions even if they're not uh.
Speaker 1: Mostly because the internet is so niche, you can find
Speaker 1: anything for anyone. That's why it's funny when people tell
Speaker 1: me that they think read it's a horrible place. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, you craft you read it, create
Speaker 1: an account and read it will be beautiful. But there
Speaker 1: still are fringe things and the crappiness, I'd like to
Speaker 1: call it the darkness. The negativity will creep into your
Speaker 1: fandoms too, because you'll have this like loud minority that
Speaker 1: wants to shout about things. Here's the thing with nerd culture.
Speaker 1: For a long time, it was a thing that you
Speaker 1: did and only you cared about, and not many people
Speaker 1: cared about it. Some people were made fun of liking
Speaker 1: the things that they've liked, and it was just a
Speaker 1: fringe thing. And you've grown to be okay with that.
Speaker 1: You've grown to be okay with being one of a
Speaker 1: very few people, especially like before the era of the Internet,
Speaker 1: when you can connect with the thousands of people who
Speaker 1: actually like the thing the other Yeah, but like in
Speaker 1: your community, you usually were a fringe offset person it
Speaker 1: and that became your personality, that became who you were
Speaker 1: because you know, no one else liked it. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: were teased about it. So then fast forward to times
Speaker 1: like now when nerd culture is booming. The Internet has
Speaker 1: allowed us to find out that actually a lot of
Speaker 1: people like it. But I think people are not looking
Speaker 1: at it from that kind of big picture look. They're
Speaker 1: looking at it as like, oh, I've already known this
Speaker 1: is cool, and you're just figuring out now, which is
Speaker 1: why you get the gross things like people quizzing other people,
Speaker 1: especially women gatekeeper. The gatekeeping thing is absurd to me
Speaker 1: because I don't think you're an actual fan if you
Speaker 1: gate keep anyone. A real fan would be excited about
Speaker 1: someone new being interested in their fandom, Like you would
Speaker 1: want to share that love of this thing that you
Speaker 1: grew up with with someone else. It would excite you
Speaker 1: to have someone come in and oh, they don't know this,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I grew up on d C comics.
Speaker 1: I didn't really grow up on Marvel comics. And so
Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can borrow mine if you want to, Like, here's
Speaker 1: a great place to start. Like that is someone who
Speaker 1: loves their fandoms so much, that's like, you can borrow
Speaker 1: my stuff because I know you'll love it if you
Speaker 1: read this like that to me is a real fan.
Speaker 1: Someone that gate keeps is not a real fan. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just like with me growing up, I know the
Speaker 1: topics of the Ninja Turtles, but Batman, I was introduced
Speaker 1: to the character through like Justice League cartoons and all that,
Speaker 1: and then some older fans hip to me about the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties TV show and just showed me a different
Speaker 1: layer of fandom. And then someone else showed me a
Speaker 1: different layer of fandom. So it's what's cool about Ninja
Speaker 1: Turtles is that, like you know, I have a bunch
Speaker 1: of you know, niece's nephews and all that they're going
Speaker 1: to grow up with this newer stuff and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask them questions about that. It's the cool thing about
Speaker 1: modern fandom is that it's going passed through different generations
Speaker 1: and that now I could share them with them if
Speaker 1: they're interested in the nineteen eighties TV show or the
Speaker 1: late two thousands or the mid two thousands TV show
Speaker 1: that they haven't seen because they weren't even born yet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's funny. I feel like this is just
Speaker 1: like a situation that happened to me. So I was
Speaker 1: getting my haircut by my barber and one of my
Speaker 1: friends saw me there. I was, oh, man, you've been
Speaker 1: coming Here's like, oh, you've been coming here, and like
Speaker 1: I jokingly was like, yeah, no, I've been trying to
Speaker 1: keep it a secret, and my barber got so mad.
Speaker 1: But I think about that a lot. How that's a
Speaker 1: lot about fandoms where it's like you're over here trying
Speaker 1: to keep it a secret, this thing that you like,
Speaker 1: and trying to keep it for yourself, when really the
Speaker 1: creators would love for more people to because that's how
Speaker 1: they get the money and the support to create more things.
Speaker 1: So being a gatekeeper, I think it is true you're
Speaker 1: not a real fan because you're not supporting the person
Speaker 1: who's making this thing you like so much when you
Speaker 1: want it to be just you with it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a really selfish way to look at someone else's art.
Speaker 1: Like that's the truth of it is that a lot
Speaker 1: of fans think and and you know, I'm talking as
Speaker 1: a fan, like I am obsessive over certain fandoms that
Speaker 1: I grew up with, but I don't want to keep
Speaker 1: anyone out. And if someone's a casual fan, that that
Speaker 1: doesn't affect me in any way, nor does it bother
Speaker 1: me in any way. It's so I never feel the
Speaker 1: need to comment on a post or put someone in
Speaker 1: their place about it, like it's just frustrating to me.
Speaker 1: It's like it's I don't know. Here's another thing too,
Speaker 1: is that I feel like, I don't know if we
Speaker 1: talked about this on the Marvel episode, but for people
Speaker 1: who are so obsessed with superhero culture, people who are
Speaker 1: so obsessed with all these superhero Marvel d C shows,
Speaker 1: when given the opportunity to be a hero, you're not
Speaker 1: like when given an opportunity to actually act like the
Speaker 1: heroes you are so obsessed with none of the JEDDI
Speaker 1: are going to write racist things to Kelly Marie Trand,
Speaker 1: like you don't follow your own fandoms. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't follow your own heroes and the characters you look
Speaker 1: up to they would be embarrassed of you. Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's funny because that's why in this this is
Speaker 1: where we'll take a interesting tangent out of just almost philosophy.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what comes with justice. I think
Speaker 1: when people think they're doing a justice, the thing might
Speaker 1: seem bad, but because they're doing it for the right reason,
Speaker 1: it absolves them for being a real duty head instead
Speaker 1: of another word I might use, but but you know,
Speaker 1: And that's where things get messy, because it's like, no,
Speaker 1: if you're doing something wrong, you're doing something wrong. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you think you're doing it for the
Speaker 1: right reasons. Maybe you should, you know, reevaluate the way
Speaker 1: you're doing it. And if you really do, if you
Speaker 1: really something makes you so mad, If you really do
Speaker 1: think that this new Star Wars ruined Star Wars, then
Speaker 1: guess what, just don't watch it. And I'm not even
Speaker 1: saying that, and they're like, then don't watch it. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: if you really think so, then speak with your dollars
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe that'll give you the change that you want.
Speaker 1: But if you're constantly you can't believe, you can't sit
Speaker 1: there and convince yourself that all these people who are
Speaker 1: enjoying it, who are supporting it, are crazy. That's that's
Speaker 1: insane to think that you're the only one who has
Speaker 1: the right opinion about a piece of art. Artists objective.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not for you, and it may not be
Speaker 1: for you, so go back and watch the original trilogy
Speaker 1: and let the people who are really enjoying this new
Speaker 1: trilogy enjoy that, because you know what, there are people
Speaker 1: who are die hard fans about the prequel trilogy and
Speaker 1: as as across the board pand exciting, but they're exciting
Speaker 1: to encounter because they're like, I can't believe that you
Speaker 1: found something so exciting from those that it's cool when
Speaker 1: someone's yuck is someone's yum. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I
Speaker 1: also just I want to preface this in general with
Speaker 1: everything that we talk about on this podcast, is that
Speaker 1: the world is such a scary, dark, tragic, painful, horrific
Speaker 1: place that if someone finds joy in a cartoon or
Speaker 1: someone finds joy in a film, for the love of God,
Speaker 1: let them enjoy it. Like, seriously, it is. It's such
Speaker 1: a scary world. It has been a scary world. But
Speaker 1: if someone these were the fandoms that a lot of
Speaker 1: us escape to, you know, like, let people will enjoy something.
Speaker 1: If you got to enjoy something when you were little,
Speaker 1: maybe it's time that that baton has passed on two
Speaker 1: younger generations. I'm sorry that ThunderCats is no longer just
Speaker 1: marketed towards you maybe before you even see an episode. Right, cartoons,
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist anymore, Right, that's gone. Well, what's been
Speaker 1: funny is I saw some one point out because people
Speaker 1: like it needs to be serious, and that existed, they
Speaker 1: thunder Cat Cats cartoon and it didn't do well enough
Speaker 1: to keep going. And it was good, it was artistically great,
Speaker 1: but it's sad. It's sadly got yeah people, but yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and something that this guy in this like And normally
Speaker 1: I don't like the ranti takedowns of nerdy things by
Speaker 1: other nerds, but he did a real good job of
Speaker 1: point out that ThunderCats was a show created to sell toys,
Speaker 1: so as he Man's and as we learned earlier in
Speaker 1: this episode Ninja Turtles. And when you do that, the
Speaker 1: plot isn't all there's just enough to enthrall kids, and
Speaker 1: then that much so there isn't that much lore within
Speaker 1: you know. Of course there were comics and spinoffs that
Speaker 1: might have built that lower up in the meantime, but
Speaker 1: guess what, that's your medium. That's what you need to
Speaker 1: zero in on, because they're making this new uh Thundercat's
Speaker 1: Roar for an audience that's not you. Because as much
Speaker 1: as people rag on Teen Titans Go because they like
Speaker 1: the original Teen Titans, that show is doing well, that
Speaker 1: show has no kind of double down on something if
Speaker 1: and and mind you, I'm a nerd. I love all
Speaker 1: these things that we're talking about heavily. Just follow me
Speaker 1: on Twitter and all that will get to plugs later.
Speaker 1: But the alt the if your life is so good
Speaker 1: that your biggest beef is a children's cartoon, isn't the
Speaker 1: way you would have done it. How blessed are you?
Speaker 1: How blessed are you? But you actually just reminded me
Speaker 1: of something, uh to where I was problems man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know how I was saying, how it became
Speaker 1: people's identity. I think that's where it becomes such a
Speaker 1: touchy thing for some people, because people have built their
Speaker 1: whole identity around a living art and art that's constantly
Speaker 1: evolving that when it changes to them, it feels like
Speaker 1: it's changing them. Like it's like, I'm not this person,
Speaker 1: this is not the person I wanted to be. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be the version of the person. And it's like,
Speaker 1: that's why you don't make your fandom your life. That's
Speaker 1: why you don't make your whole person personlinality around a
Speaker 1: piece of art or nerd them because if it's not
Speaker 1: your art, you don't have control over it. So at
Speaker 1: any moment it could change, well your role as a
Speaker 1: fan if you closely identify with it, because it could
Speaker 1: be hard because you know, I was, you know, growing up,
Speaker 1: I was the wrestling guy and all that. So people
Speaker 1: talk to me about that, and you know, there's some
Speaker 1: newer stuff that I'm not a fan of. But people
Speaker 1: can come to me and I can know them, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is do you like this now? And all that?
Speaker 1: I got something to show you. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: is that you nurture the new fans in order to
Speaker 1: appreciate the older stuff. And guess what, you end up
Speaker 1: appreciating what they appreciate because you're looking at it from
Speaker 1: instead of looking at from your older glasses or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to put it. I keep saying old. I'm
Speaker 1: in my I'm in my thirties. I'm not that old anyway.
Speaker 1: People Grandpa, grandpa here anyway. Um, but they can they
Speaker 1: can revitalize your fandom because you're either revisiting the stuff
Speaker 1: that you loved in the past or you're looking at
Speaker 1: this newer stuff with a different perspective and having a
Speaker 1: better appreciation for it and not feeling assault and not
Speaker 1: feeling that you're attacked. But you're welcomed by this new
Speaker 1: thing I know. And if you like that old stuff, boy,
Speaker 1: do I have some news for you. W w e
Speaker 1: uh more new your pan world. But anyway, before we
Speaker 1: close out, Eric, who is your what is your Who's
Speaker 1: your favorite ninja? Oh? Boy? Um uh Rafaeliardo? No? I
Speaker 1: I grew up loving Leonardo, but as I got older,
Speaker 1: I had a bigger appreciation for Rafael, because that's how
Speaker 1: my personality shifted over time. No, I appreciate it. If
Speaker 1: you forgot who who is your who would you say currently?
Speaker 1: Who are you feeling like today? Oh? Man, today I
Speaker 1: would say, you know Leonardo? You know he got he
Speaker 1: has the he has the two two blades. Yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: likes it. But I've always been like a Rath type
Speaker 1: of guy. There you go, you know that bad boy.
Speaker 1: So you're a vegeta and you're just yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: one step, that's the one step I'll take the shell
Speaker 1: kicker of the group. Yeah, yeah, No, I feel you.
Speaker 1: Um today I feel like splinters. Who I want to
Speaker 1: be like? Eric? Where can everyone catch you? Everyone can
Speaker 1: just follow me on Twitter at Eric W. Barnes R
Speaker 1: I k W b A R and S for just
Speaker 1: jokes where I'm gonna do shows and just general commentary
Speaker 1: on nerdy stuff. Awesome. Um, I'm at MS Danny Fernandez.
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Speaker 1: do reply to our messages and we try to reply
Speaker 1: to all of our tweets there we go, Uh don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can slide in there. Um, although
Speaker 1: we did have actually when Infinity War came out, we
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to everyone without posting spoilers, and so
Speaker 1: we did make a private group and there were several
Speaker 1: people in there and that was pretty fun for all
Speaker 1: of us to kind of talk about Infinity War in there.
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll do that with another movie coming up
Speaker 1: hopefully soon. Uh yeah, And you can catch me at
Speaker 1: if you D I F Y and W A D
Speaker 1: I do E on Twitter and Instagram, if D S
Speaker 1: on Twitch. A lot of the nerd fans coming through
Speaker 1: draw been uh you know, Fatal Baptist, drop that sub.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shout you out again and you drop stubs.
Speaker 1: Let shout you out on the cast. What I did
Speaker 1: want to say is if you and I will both
Speaker 1: be at Anime Expo, and we will also be we'll
Speaker 1: be doing some stuff with our friends at Funimation at
Speaker 1: Lucky Strike, and then we will also both be on
Speaker 1: a panel together at Comic Con. So that'll be Friday.
Speaker 1: I think we're in the library, the auditorium Library will
Speaker 1: probably we'll probably mention, but I believe our show, our
Speaker 1: panels at four pm. It's going to be about um
Speaker 1: geek podcasting and we have some of the people, some
Speaker 1: of our friends over at hyper RPG are also gonna
Speaker 1: be on that at as well. So if you are
Speaker 1: at San Diego Comic Con, if you don't know what
Speaker 1: San Diego Comic Con is or what comic cons are
Speaker 1: in general, please or you just want more info about it,
Speaker 1: listen to our Comic Con episode. It was Dope and Killer,
Speaker 1: and we also talked about what goes on at the
Speaker 1: after parties. Um. But yeah, we will be. We will
Speaker 1: be on a panel together and we'll also be announcing
Speaker 1: our own con appearances there we go. That starts really gross.
Speaker 1: I hate saying that we'll be announcing where we'll at
Speaker 1: the corn uh so you can catch us there, And
Speaker 1: as we always say, staying already friends