WEBVTT - Episode 12: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.400 Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome tonative. Look I messed it up, 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:18.560 Please keep it in. What did I say? I don't 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.640 know why though, because I had the nerd part right. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:22.919 That would be the weird. I think that you didn't 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.200 trust yourself. You have to go through what I've said this. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.720 I've said this name so many. I helped him up 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:33.000 with this name, Nernificent, Nerdificent, Welcome to Nerdificent. I am 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.960 one of your hosts, Danny Fernandez, and across from me, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.839 pounding a muscle milk is your boy. If you want 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.600 to wait, Look, I'm real hyped. You know how stuff works. West, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.760 we finally got muscle milks in the fridge. Anna super producer. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.840 Anna was trying to say, who wanted this? Who wanted 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.280 a calorie twenty Grandma proches. We're going to think that 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.160 we're getting paid for this, and I really hope that 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:00.760 we are. We're not make that work. We're not muscle milk. Look, 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.800 if we're gonna get protein, spatship, I want optimum nutrition 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:08.240 or isopure hit us up? I will do it. You know, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.959 speaking of nutrition, I was thinking about this other day. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.280 We gotta have a nerd strong on so we can 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.119 talk about like nerdy fitness. Oh I would love to. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.759 you know. That kind of doubles over with our cosplay episode. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.040 We were talking about some professional cause players that like 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.279 they're just in the gym for like twelve hours getting 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.720 ripped because that's part of their life, is that they 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:33.320 get hired to actually represent those super buff anime characters. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.080 and I know it's it's it's crazy. Also, I used 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.119 to see Julian all the time real life trunks because 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.119 I used to go to the Golds down the street, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.759 the one downtown that's five minutes from five minutes from 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.400 my house, finally upgraded, got new Olympic squat wracks. I'm 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.480 there now, which man, there's nothing like having a good 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.120 gym five minutes away. Oh that's my gym. Yeah, And 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.240 I know where um Winston Duke and Baku himself. He 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.800 lives by me, and I know what Jim he works 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.640 out at. And I'm not going to tell anyone, be okay, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.160 but let me know I can go there, like I'm 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.040 gonna show you the real man ate right now. I 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.680 thought it was so funny too that I'm like, oh man, 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.760 I thought he would be at like a really private Jim, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.359 So he's not bothered. He's not like I. The weekend 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.040 Black Panther came out, I watched him jump from like 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.040 six thousand to like It was interesting watching because I 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.040 remember I checked one day to follow him, and then 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.960 when I came back the next day, I was like, man, 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:33.919 that's how much you grow when you get in a movie, 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.320 Like what are we doing messing around? Everyone was like, oh, 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.400 you'd be working on your social media and it was like, no, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.240 he had like two thousand followers book that role, and 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.000 now he's at like a hundred or probably almost a million. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.680 Well even like Daily's eight guys, when I go in there, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.520 I get like at least anywhere from like twenty to fifty, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.400 which I'm like, why aren't you already following me? I've 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.720 been on Daily se guys many times, y'all ain't already 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.040 following the kid? Okay, cool, I'll come back on it 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.959 many times. I need to do. I need to cat 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.840 chup to you and Jamie because oh yeah, I was 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.320 just on there and and Jack introduced me as being 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:07.760 and he was like, I think this is like her 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:12.160 sixth time or tenth time on this is my third Yeah, yeah, no, 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.799 that's me, Me, Jamie and Edgar doing big numbers. Um. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.960 I remember after Edgar's I think second or third appearance, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.800 I email Dana. I was like, you gotta get me 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.280 back on to I can't have Edgar putting more numbers up. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.919 I would like three, two to three times a month 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.959 if possible. This has been great promo for the house 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.480 Stuff Works brand and Muscle Milk and um I so 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.760 pure oddly enough, it all has to do with this talk. No, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.600 it doesn't. Well, you know, because I feel like the 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.000 teenage mutant ninja turtles. They are swoll like you know, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.120 the toys they were swull and if they have the 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.200 worst diet plan so now, but they're mutants so they 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.280 can eat as much piece as they want and still 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.720 have that six pack that they're rocking they do. I 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.240 think that's their shell though. Well no, because the soft 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.520 bottom nets off. Have you ever rubbed the bottom of 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.440 a turtle? It's hard. That's part of their show. I 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.360 mean it is. It's it's like it's like it's not 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.320 as hard as the top, but it is pretty hard. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.720 But that's how that's how slow they are that it 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.760 rips through that part too. But Ninja Turtles. Is it's tight? 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.520 How when did you get into Nina? Oh my gosh, 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.840 I'm gonna upload this on our social media and it's 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.159 going to be a picture of my I think both 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.440 my brothers and I were all turtles. But I do 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:31.679 remember my mom. She was super into making our costumes. Um, okay, 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:36.160 we were very poor basically, and so she had turned 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:41.280 these green salad bowls. Um, you guys can't see, but 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.440 if you just spit out his muscle milk, she turned 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.640 these salad bowls and she like strapped him on our back. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.359 I love my mom. Um. That was actually one of 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.240 the first real costumes I remembered having. Wasn't Ninja turtle costume. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.120 Because my dad his thing. He was also super cheap 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.120 and and he would have me be an African prince 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.760 every year. And all that was was I would just 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.280 wear my traditional Nigerian clothes, like no crown. He wouldn't 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.240 even buy the plastic clown. I would just wear my 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.880 Nigerian clothes. He was like, you have an African prince now. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.080 I was like, oh, this is so whack. I mean, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:23.160 he's not wrong, but yeah, man, Ninja Turtles was huge 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.760 in my house. We had the bedsheets, we had the toys, 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:32.120 definitely for Halloween, I think multiple times. So the show 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.000 my my lane. Like I loved Ninja Turtles, but my 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.440 big lane was Street Sharks, Baby Joson. You know, pizza 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:46.960 burgers is what we like, real line from that show Sharks. Yeah, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.279 but I loved them both equally. I loved all my 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.640 sons equally Street Sharks. And they had the dinosaurs who 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.560 they their whole big thing was they were trying to 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:00.240 start global warming because they were cold blooded. You know, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.640 lots of fun stuff. All right, I think we dilly 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.600 dallied long enough. Let's just do the deep dive. How 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.640 did the teenage ming Ninja Turtles start? Danny? They actually so. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:14.279 They first appeared in a comic book published by Mirage 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.880 Studios in nineteen four in Dover, New Hampshire, created by 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.560 Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird, which Mirage Studios was actually 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.039 a joke. They didn't have a studio, it was just 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.119 Laird's living room. Um. They were two struggling artists living 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.200 in Northampton, Massachusetts when they came up with the Turtles 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.719 in November of nineteen eighty three. So basically as a 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.080 joke Eastman like they were brainstorming together one night, and 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.560 Eastman drew a turtle standing on its hind legs wearing 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.919 a mask with nunchucks strapped to its arms, and he 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.839 wrote Ninja turtle on the top of it, and Laird 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.440 laughed and then drew a more refined version of that, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.200 and not to be outdone, Eastman then drew four turtles, 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.279 each arm with a ninja's style weapon and then layered 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.480 like outline in the group shot and ink, which we're 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.360 going to include in our notes. I'll probably tweet this out. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.880 It's like the actual first ever image that they made 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.200 of them. And they added teenage Mutant to the top, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.760 and they made the teenage Mutant Ninja turtles. Yeah. And 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.040 then they used the money for me Eastman's five dollar 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.520 tax refund together with a hundred dollar loan from his 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.280 uncle and two hundred dollars from Layard's empty bank account, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.800 and they both self published a single issue comic intended 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.040 to parody four of the most popular comics in the 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:34.400 early eighties, which were Daredevil, New Mutants, Cerebus, and Frank 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.440 Miller's ron In He Hasn't that interesting? So, like the Turtles, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.440 and Daredevil actually have a lot of similarities. They have 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.800 the same origin story. Um yeah, I don't know if 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.400 you know. So in Daredevil number one, so Matt Murdoch 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.720 sees a truck it's about to hit an old man 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.920 knocks He like goes to knock this guy out of 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.440 the way. The truck swerves and like a barrel like 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.320 filled with a radioactive substance falls on him, blind him, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.920 and then give some superhuman senses. That's a very common 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.720 I feel like having some chemical fall on you, Alex 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.840 mac mac uh. And then the turtles have the same scenario, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.240 except the barrel it's a boy's head. The canister hits 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.800 a boy's head and then smashes into like a bowl 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.640 of baby turtles, who then fall with this canister into 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:28.480 an open man hole splinter. They're adopted rat father and 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.480 sense A uh finds them and they are all turned 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.600 into human sized heroes. Yeah, okay, yeah, that I don't. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.280 I almost want to imagine they're in the same universe. 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.720 I love that, and that those two events are what 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.959 kind of spawned them both. There's actually more connection to Daredevil, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.800 which we'll get into, but yeah, it was kind of 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.600 just this fun there's always been a lot of humor 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.880 in at least some humor in the Ninja Turtle comics, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.280 and that that has like changed over time, but yeah, 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.400 but it's always been like a parody of their Marvel properties. Yeah. So, 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.079 with their combined money, Eastman and Layered printed three thousand 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.760 copies of the Teenager Ninja Turtles and bought a single 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.960 ad in the Comics Buyer's Guide magazine, and because of 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.280 that app they sold all three thousand copies within a 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.400 few weeks and had thousands more orders coming in, and 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.120 then by January they completed issue number two and had 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:25.160 orders for fifteen thousand copies and distributors wanted thirty thousand 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.800 copies of issue number one. So it was definitely one 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.040 of those smash hit moments where it's like, oh, this 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.439 fun idea, which I now call the Beastie Boys effect, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.840 because you know, the BC Boys did a rap album 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.520 as a joke and then that became who they were 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.600 they originally a punk band. Yeah, isn't that funny. It's 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.959 it's kind of crazy that they like made this fake 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.840 studio essentially out of his living room. And then because 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.080 their second issue did so well, people went back and 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:56.679 ordered thousands more copies of their first issue. So they 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.640 ended up staying Undermarrage Studios from ninety eighty four to 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.360 that's seventy five issues, and they also had a lot 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.240 of mini series and one shots too. Then they moved 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.680 to Image Comics in nineteen six for thirteen issues. And 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.360 this is kind of where things get a little dicey, 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.640 or I would say, fans would say, like, not really, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.559 cannon Um, this was their's what you're saying, this is 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:28.240 their Dragon Ball GT era because like a Splinter became 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.720 a back downa Tello became a cyborg, Leonardo lost a hand, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.200 and Rafael became the new shrad How does that work? 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.000 I don't know, but I like that because Rafael was 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.600 always the hothead, so that seems like they could go 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.120 in there. Yeah, I'd say try that out in the 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.960 newer runs. But basically Layered and everyone else didn't consider 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.360 those years Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And then they came 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.959 back to Mirage and two thousand and one and ran 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.280 all the way until two thousand ten. Yeah, and then 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.760 inleven I d W, which is a comic book publisher, 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.720 they started running a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle comic with 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.240 our work from Eastman, but not who was the original 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.560 co creator, but not with with his co creator laired involved. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.800 So you know, I guess before we jump into my 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.200 favorite part, which were the movies, I think we uh 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.319 in the animated series, which is very interesting. Something I 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.640 want to point out here is that the version, the 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.160 first version of that we're talking about now, it was 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.880 very adult like. It was an adult it was super violent. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.600 It was it was actually super cool. And the reason 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.840 I point this out is because I discovered them obviously 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.040 in the nineties with the movies and when they were 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.040 way more kid friendly with the animated series. In the movie. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.040 But when I was at a comic shop, my mom 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.720 got me the Ninja Turtle comics thinking it was about 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:46.880 the same, and it was. It was it was pushing it. Yeah. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:48.920 I never even told her. I would just read them 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.880 and I was like, oh, this is they're saying. Damn. Yeah, 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.400 they would like slice people. Casey who will get into 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.480 as well, Casey Jones, like was pretty violent. They had 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.760 language that there's no way they would say on Nickelodeon now, um, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.120 and that was I mean, that was written by two 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.120 young guys like you know who read like, that's how 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.840 it is. That's how comics are, like Daredevil comics and 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.040 other things like that. The Marvel comics are like that 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.080 as well. Also was the nineties, which was an extremely 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.520 hyper violent time in comics, like just super dark and 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.200 gritty and super a whole bunch of belts with pockets 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.040 and belts and no, no one has arms, but they're 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.760 super buff, puffed up chest, ready to rock and roll. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.200 It was very dark and gritty. Yeah, and so um 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.480 this was that's the comics version. So the version that 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.840 we ended up no that most of us know, Like 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.800 you said, the animated series definitely had to be dialed 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.760 down a ton and I also the creators didn't really 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.040 appreciate or agree with it, which we'll get into, but 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.720 before we do, we should talk about the turtles. Yeah, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.040 so the turtles are all named after Renaissance painters, and 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.400 they just figured that it's just quirky enough to work 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.040 with the idea of teenage mutant ninja turtles. So first 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.440 everyone has their favorite, but we're just gonna go down 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.520 this in no particular order. Leonardo a k A. Leo 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.400 is the tactical, courageous leader devoted student of his Since 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.760 Leonaro wears the blue mask and wields to katana, you 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.360 know you would think he like most. I feel like 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.960 standard favorite because he had two katanas, and as the 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.800 most conscientious of the four, he often bears the burden 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.960 of responsibility for his brother, which commonly leads to conflict 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.000 with Raphael. Leonardo was named after the we don't need 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:40.479 to talk about Leonardo da Vinci. Michelangelo the most stereotypical 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.440 teenager of the team. He's very free spirited, relax he's goofy. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.760 He's a jokester known for his love of pizza, as 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.960 they all are, but he might be the most. He 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.480 wears an orange mask, which will actually get into their 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.720 mask because they changed um. He wields a pair of 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.079 nun chucks. I feel like you're right. I feel like 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.240 a lot of people were Leo just because of his 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.840 two katanas. I remember, I specifically didn't like Michaelangelo because 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.000 the nut checks. I was like, I don't want to 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.840 use the nut because when when we were at that age, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.960 we picked the people who we would pretend to be, 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.079 and you either wanted to be Donna, Tello, Raphael or 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.160 Leonardo because they had the most. I knew a few 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.720 Michelangelo heads, but definitely most people were Leonardo because he 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.360 had the two swords. Not to mention when you had 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.640 to play them at the Chuck E Cheese four player arcade. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:35.280 All right, and then up next is Donna Tello, the scientist, inventor, engineer, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.520 and technological genius aka the Nerd. Donna Tello wears a 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.480 purple mask and wheels a bowstaff. Donna Tello, who is 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.440 perhaps the least violent turtle, preferring to use his knowledge 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.400 to solve conflicts, but never hesitates to defend his brothers. Yeah, 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.560 I'm trying to think of like, what, Well, here's the 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.320 king that I feel like most people everyone has a 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.840 different you know, like, but I feel a lot of 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:03.280 people gravitate towards Raphael the Jon bad boy yep Vegeta 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.520 wears a red mask, wields a pair of sigh it's 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.440 an aggressive in nature. I mean, yeah, but he's just cocky, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.280 seldom hesitates to throw the first punch, and he's often 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.400 depicted with a very pronounced New York accent. Where As 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.200 opposed to him, everyone thinks that they're like surfer dudes. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.880 But I would say the surfer is mainly Michelangelo. Yeah, 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.000 but they kind of all got that, you know, in 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.920 other iterations of them, and especially in the movie. It's 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.680 I think in the movie actually they're kind of all 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.840 surfer dudes, but I'd have to read at least the 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.280 one that I'm thinking of. Yeah, and then their master 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.280 is Splinter. It's the turtle since and adoptive father Splinters, 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.480 Japanese mutan rat that learned the way of ninjitsu from 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.960 the owner and master Hamato Yoshi. In the TV series 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.200 Archie Comics series and the two thousand twelve TV series, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.600 Splinter was Hamato Yoshi mutated into a humanoid rat. But 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.400 I like the movie version where the rat was watching 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:04.200 him and was copying this tiny red It was so cute. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.000 I need to rewatch. We should well, um, yeah, And 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.880 so to go back to the connection with Daredevil, so 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:15.320 Splinter is like a parody er based on Matt Murdock 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.840 since I stick, Oh yeah, and you get it, Splinter, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:26.280 get the stick, get it? Okay. And then we have 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.280 my girl April O'Neil. So she was a former lab 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.400 assistant to the mad scientist Baxter Stockman and she is 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.000 now a companion of the turtles. There's been a couple 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.560 of different iterations of her. Yeah, she she was a 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.680 television news reporter in the two thousand seven c g 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:45.960 I film. Wasn't she a reporter in the original one 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.480 in the series. Yeah, No, she's always kind of been 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.800 a reporter, and she definitely was a reporter in the movie. Yeah. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.680 So April first met the turtles when they saved her 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.240 from Baxter's mouse or robots, and then she embarks on 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.040 many turtle adventures with them, and she does work in 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:05.760 the public that the turtles cannot people. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.520 unless those few times when that happens in like the 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.639 cartoons and comics where they wear trench coat and hat, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.480 Like you wouldn't notice. First off, if you were a 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.000 trench coat and a hat, everyone's gonna be looking at you. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.000 I'm look at your face, like, yo, does that man's 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:27.720 have a turtle face? Like what's going on? Oh? Man? Well, 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.720 you know what's so funny is I feel like now 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.119 the world that we live in, it would be totally fine. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.919 Oh yeah, no, people will be like, oh, it's just 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.919 a furry it's yeah exactly. Oh, they're just going to 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.800 like comic Conner. Yeah, don't don't worry about them. The 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.040 next guy up is going to be Casey Jones, and 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.000 vigilante who wears a hockey master to protect his identity. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.360 Casey Jones has become one of the Turtle's closest allies 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.520 as well as love interest to April. Casey first encountered 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.040 the Turtles after having a fight with Rafael. He fights 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.520 crime with an assortment of sporting goods he carries in 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.600 a golf bag, such as baseball bats, call clubs, and hockey. God. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.000 See that's what they mean about it being originally like 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.520 kind of violent. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, no they he 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.760 was going hard with those weapons. And I feel like 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.400 he became a fan favorite too, Like when he appeared, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.280 a lot of people latched on to him. I mean, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.280 you throw a hockey mask on somebody. And then we 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:25.919 got the main man, shredder Um. He's a villainous master Urukusaki, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.840 He's a villain. He's the leader of the Foot Clan 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.639 again going back to Daredevil, which is a play on 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.280 the Ninja Clan and Daredevil the hand. Now they named 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.600 it the Foot Clan. It is. It really is all 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.280 things that I never knew when I was little. Um 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.760 and uh yeah, he's the arch enemy of Splinter and 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:48.520 the Turtles and he prefers to use his armor instead 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.360 of weapons in in some versions of him. Oh yeah, uh, 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.639 and there's other famous villains. But you know, we're running 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.720 on time. We're gonna have a guest on the next half, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.960 so why don't we just jump ahead. We we can 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.240 talk about villains, but we know what you're here for. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.080 You want to hear about this talk about TV show, 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.560 the movie, how it became kind of a kiddy show, 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.440 and how they felt about it. And we will get 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:26.160 into that right after these messages and we are back 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.600 and we're here to talk about everything past just who 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.159 they are. We're going to talk about their legacy. But 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.920 you know, oftentimes, when you know, things like the Ninja 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.879 Turtles are talked about, they're often mentioned that the show 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.680 made to sell toys. But you know, it's like who 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.120 came first, Chicken or the egg? Yeah, do you feel 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.080 like people say that about Oh yeah, I've I've heard 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.560 people say that about that Transformers, like all those like 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:54.320 g I. Joe's, like these are just shows to sell toys. Well, 0:19:54.560 --> 0:20:00.440 if you are exactly correct, I'm not kidding. The show. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.439 I'm sorry to burst this bubble. Their TV show, the 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.480 first the animated series that you grew up with and loved, 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.880 was only made because they were trying to sell toys 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.639 or like, I'm not kidding. So so a licensing agent, 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.360 Mark Freeman, he sought out Eastman and Laird, the two 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:21.480 co creators, and he proposed to them a wider merchandise opportunity. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.520 So basically, the toys came first. They wanted to have 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.199 the toys they wanted and it's smart, like look at them, 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.840 you know, having a set of turtles like they have 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.560 nne Chucks. They come with different accessories. So in nineteen 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.240 eighty six, Dark Horse Miniatures produced a set of fifteen 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.280 millimeter so literally like half an inch lead figurines. Yes 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:45.000 they were lad yep. And then in January seven, Eastman 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.639 and Laird visited the offices of Playmates Toys, which is 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.800 a small California toy company that wanted to expand into 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.080 the action figure market. So this is what happened. Development 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:59.960 started between a creative team of companies and individuals including 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.600 Jerry Sachs who is the advertising agent of Sax Finley 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:08.000 Agency and They brought together animators from Mura Comie Wolf Swenson, 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.560 which was headed by Fred Wolf, and the team combined 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.520 concepts and ideas with the Playmates marketing crew. They brought 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.399 on writer John Schulte, who helped them make a simple 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:24.159 backstory that would live on the toy packaging for the 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.200 entire run of the product and show wow, I mean 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.199 it's funny. So so they basically it seems like they're like, 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:36.160 all right, we want your turtles, but we're gonna redo everything. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.000 Because for them to be writing a new backstory when 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.239 you know the comics already had a pretty solid one 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.920 well Playmate Toys. Playmates Toys, their demographic that they wanted 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.440 for this was ages four to eight, so there's no 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:54.320 way they're PG. Thirteen thing with with the turtle slicing 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.360 people and saying damn and stuff like that did not 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.280 fit their target audience. So the this is Crazy plays 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:04.040 the toy Company and their team essentially served as associate 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.640 producers and contributing writers to the miniseries that was first 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.840 launched to sell the action figures. So so phrases like 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.840 heroes and a half shell, which is very popular, and 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.040 some of their comical catch phrases like turtle power that 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.680 actually came from their creative team. It's just such like 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.520 a it's something that you and I know, and I 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.280 think that we've all kind of been exposed to now. 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:28.399 But when you're like, oh no, they literally made the 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.440 show to sell toys. I mean, it's a great show 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.120