Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where the Sunday
Speaker 1: Scaries we're more like terrors this weekend. After the Cheetoh
Speaker 1: in Chief took getting bombed on a Saturday night to
Speaker 1: a whole new level, We're going to need to bury
Speaker 1: ourselves in some sports nonsense for a little bit, how
Speaker 1: about you. It's Monday, June twenty third, and on today's show,
Speaker 1: we'll be talking with Lindsay Gibbs, creator of the women's
Speaker 1: sports newsletter Powerplays, about her process in choosing, researching and
Speaker 1: writing about topics, the challenges of being your own boss,
Speaker 1: and why knowing history and context in women's sports is
Speaker 1: more important than ever. Plus a Hoops and gayshit Soft
Speaker 1: Tarred launch WNBA Portland Tees is an announcement the Sad
Speaker 1: Facks about Title nine at fifty three, and a friend
Speaker 1: of the show bids farewell to the beautiful game. It's
Speaker 1: all coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's
Speaker 1: what you need to know today in Hoops's Pride Month
Speaker 1: rolls on. We got to start the week off strong
Speaker 1: with some hoops and gay shit. Many have speculated about
Speaker 1: the nature of the quote unquote friendship between Dallas Wing's
Speaker 1: rookie Page Beckers and her former Yukon teammate Azy Fudd.
Speaker 1: While on Saturday, Fud gave the world a definitive answer,
Speaker 1: the Yukon super senior took to Instagram to post a
Speaker 1: mirror selfie in a salon chair while she was getting
Speaker 1: her hair done and on her phone case backwards because
Speaker 1: of the mirror were the words Page Becker's girlfriend in
Speaker 1: pink letters. Doesn't get much clearer than that. We'll link
Speaker 1: to a friend of the show coach Jackie Jay's video
Speaker 1: about the photo and our show notes so you could
Speaker 1: see it for yourself. Now, let me assure you there
Speaker 1: are basketball gays across the world absolutely losing it right
Speaker 1: now because this is a friends to lover her story
Speaker 1: for the Ages. Fud and Beckers have been friends for
Speaker 1: a long ass time. For a story by USA Today's
Speaker 1: Sidney Henderson. The two first met in twenty seventeen while
Speaker 1: they were trying out for the USA Basketball women's U
Speaker 1: sixteen national team. They've seen each other through a ton,
Speaker 1: including an unfortunate number of knee injuries, and they were
Speaker 1: teammates at Yukon from twenty twenty one through this past
Speaker 1: college season, when they led the Huskies to the program's
Speaker 1: twelfth NCAA championship together. Now, I'm categorizing this as a
Speaker 1: hard soft launch because Beckers isn't in the picture, and
Speaker 1: I think you got to be together in the photos
Speaker 1: for a true hard launch. But it is the second
Speaker 1: hard soft launch from this pair because they did a
Speaker 1: cute little take on those recent trending videos about restaurant bills.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this, but we'll link
Speaker 1: to it in the show notes if you didn't. In
Speaker 1: the video, Fud asks Beckers how much the meal costs.
Speaker 1: Becker's replies two hundred dollars, and Fud replies, Oh, that's
Speaker 1: not that bad. Cut back to an exasperated Beckers with
Speaker 1: the bill, and Fud captioned it princess treatment every time
Speaker 1: I'm with her. That's a soft launch, y'all, and it
Speaker 1: definitely had people talking. But the phone case, now we're
Speaker 1: really cooking with gas. It is officially official, and I
Speaker 1: love this couple. So I am so happy for these
Speaker 1: young ladies, but I do want to remind people that
Speaker 1: they are just that young ladies. They were both born
Speaker 1: after the year two thousand, so when we're talking about them,
Speaker 1: and when we're talking about the relationship that Fud seems
Speaker 1: to have revealed to us, let's be mindful of their age,
Speaker 1: and let's try to be kind and offer grace to
Speaker 1: not just them, but all the spoonworthy relationships that we
Speaker 1: like to stand. But in the meantime, we do have
Speaker 1: to figure out their couple name. Is it Bud, is
Speaker 1: it Paisy? Is it age? Or, like friend of the
Speaker 1: show er fight Masters said on their hilarious podcast Jocular First, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to need to work on it.
Speaker 1: Send us some suggestions if you've got them so far.
Speaker 1: I'm into Paisy more hoops. Remember last week when we
Speaker 1: told you about Chicago skystar Angel Reese trying to turn
Speaker 1: her trolls into some merch. Well she's done it. She's
Speaker 1: officially made merch with the word me bounds case you're
Speaker 1: wondering where the word comes from. Some trolls started to
Speaker 1: use mee bounds to describe Reese's boards because her critics
Speaker 1: like to claim that her rebounding stats are only impressive
Speaker 1: because she grabs her own misses, a theory that's been
Speaker 1: proven wrong. By the way, Yes, she does miss a
Speaker 1: few layups, and yes she does benefit from those, but
Speaker 1: she does plenty of work on the defensive boards too,
Speaker 1: And on Thursday, she officially released a new batch of
Speaker 1: merch on her website using the term me Bounds. The
Speaker 1: new line includes sweatshirts, t shirts, and hats with the
Speaker 1: Meebound slogan, and multiple pieces also include the line anything
Speaker 1: that comes off that board, It's mine the cherry. On
Speaker 1: top of all of this is that re shared that
Speaker 1: part of the proceeds from the merch sales will go
Speaker 1: to the Angel ce Reese Foundation to help fight cyberbowling.
Speaker 1: Talk about turning lemons into lemonade. Salute Angel. More w News.
Speaker 1: New York Liberty star John Qwell Jones is out for
Speaker 1: four to six weeks. She re entered a right ankle
Speaker 1: sprain in a contest against the Phoenix Mercurant Thursday, and
Speaker 1: the team confirmed that after evaluation, she'll have to sit
Speaker 1: out at least the next nine games, and that means
Speaker 1: she's likely missing the WNBA All Star Game in mid July.
Speaker 1: The Liberty are currently hold and strong at second in
Speaker 1: the league standings, and Jones is the team's top rebounder
Speaker 1: and third leading scorer. She had already missed two games
Speaker 1: previously due to an injury to the same ankle, so
Speaker 1: never great to have a key piece on the sideline,
Speaker 1: but it does feel smart to make sure she has
Speaker 1: time to fully recover before the playoff push begins in
Speaker 1: the second half of the season. Speaking of the All
Speaker 1: Star Game in the second half, first returns are in
Speaker 1: on the fan All Star voting and per league announcement.
Speaker 1: Indiana feverstar Caitlin Clark leads all players with almost five
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen thousand votes, no surprise. There also no surprise,
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Lynx's Novisa Collier is right behind her with
Speaker 1: almost four hundred eighty five thousand. The Fevers Aliah Boston,
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Aces Asia Wilson and New York Liberties Brianna
Speaker 1: Stewart round out the top five, and Dallas Wings rookie
Speaker 1: Page Beckers is in sixth. Indiana's Gamebridge Fieldhouse is going
Speaker 1: to play host to the festivities July eighteenth to nineteenth,
Speaker 1: and with four Fever players in the top ten of
Speaker 1: voting right now and eight Fever players in the top forty,
Speaker 1: the home squad is looking to be very well represented
Speaker 1: and can you believe it even more. WNBA News the
Speaker 1: league filed trademarks last week for the Portland Fire name
Speaker 1: and one for a p logo, hinting that the league's
Speaker 1: next expansion franchise will revive the Fire name from the
Speaker 1: franchise that played back in two thousand to two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. Additionally, the official WNBA Portland Twitter slash x
Speaker 1: account released a post on Friday with the graphic that
Speaker 1: read quote July fifteenth, the countdown is on end quote.
Speaker 1: So putting two and two together looks like we'll be
Speaker 1: getting a name and a logo drop for the WNBA's
Speaker 1: fifteenth franchise in the coming weeks. WNBA Portland will start
Speaker 1: playing twenty twenty six, along with fellow expansion team, the
Speaker 1: Toronto Tempo. To the NWSL friend of the show, Megan
Speaker 1: Klingenberg finally did it. She officially retired from professional soccer
Speaker 1: last week via a post on Instagram. The caption red
Speaker 1: quote now available for charity matches, Sunday brunches, and pool parties,
Speaker 1: preferably all on the same day end quote. The post
Speaker 1: slides include a heartfelt goodbye letter which reads, in part quote,
Speaker 1: this isn't a surprise, but it still feels big to
Speaker 1: say it's time I'm retiring from football. It's taken me
Speaker 1: a lot of time and reflection to arrive at this place,
Speaker 1: but I've come to realize something important. For so long,
Speaker 1: I thought that soccer gave me purpose, joy and light.
Speaker 1: But it was never soccer. It comes from within because joy,
Speaker 1: purpose and fulfillment aren't found in what you do. They're
Speaker 1: rooted in who you are. Soccer simply gave me the
Speaker 1: space to live it. End quote. Kling's letter continues later quote,
Speaker 1: I've played with fire, with grit, and most of all,
Speaker 1: with joy, and through it all, I've grown into a
Speaker 1: person I'm proud to be Now. I feel full, grateful,
Speaker 1: at peace. It's time for something new to excite me
Speaker 1: the way soccer always has, because the purpose hasn't changed,
Speaker 1: just the stage. End quote. Klingenberg had quite the career
Speaker 1: on the domestic and international level. She amassed seventy five
Speaker 1: caps with the US women's national team, played every minute
Speaker 1: in the squad's quest to win the twenty fifteen World Cup.
Speaker 1: Is a two time NWSL Shield winner and won the
Speaker 1: NWSL Championship with the Portland Thorns twice. Twenty seventeen and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. She is sticking around the game, though.
Speaker 1: She was named one of the hosts of the US
Speaker 1: Soccer podcast earlier this month. We'll link to where you
Speaker 1: can listen to the first couple episodes, including an interview
Speaker 1: with Becky Soarer, Brunn and Lindsay Heaps. You can find
Speaker 1: him in our show notes. We'll miss Ciena out on
Speaker 1: the field kling, but congratulations and if you didn't hear it,
Speaker 1: go back and listen to our interview with her a
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago. She was great to Hockey. PWHL Seattle
Speaker 1: has named its first head coach, Steve O'Rourke. O'Rourke has
Speaker 1: got over fifteen years of coaching experience, most recently spending
Speaker 1: two and a half seasons with the Ontario Hockey Leagues
Speaker 1: Oshawa Generals. In a team statement, O'Rourke said, in part quote,
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly excited to be joining the Professional Women's Hockey League.
Speaker 1: This is something I've thought about since the league was
Speaker 1: first announced. To now be given the opportunity to work
Speaker 1: with the best players in the world and be part
Speaker 1: of a professional league that is thriving both on and
Speaker 1: off the ice is truly amazing. Being from the West
Speaker 1: and having played hockey in Washington State, I've seen firsthand
Speaker 1: how much the game has grown in this region. The
Speaker 1: passion and support for hockey here is real, and I'm
Speaker 1: proud to now be part of it in a new way.
Speaker 1: End quote. Finally, in softball, the first trade and athletes
Speaker 1: Unlimited Softball League history has happened as Volts outfielder Mackenzie
Speaker 1: Clark has been sent to the Blaze in exchange for
Speaker 1: outfielder Sierra Briggs. Clark has started all ten games for
Speaker 1: the Volts this season, hitting two home runs with five
Speaker 1: runs batted in and five runs scored. Briggs has started
Speaker 1: in five games and appeared in ten for the Blaze.
Speaker 1: Back at LSU, she was the first player in college
Speaker 1: softball history to win back to back Gold Clubs all
Speaker 1: Right Slices. Today marks the fifty third anniversary of Title nine,
Speaker 1: and Accelerate Equity founder and certified Slice Pamela Seideman shared
Speaker 1: some disappointing truths about compliance more than a half century
Speaker 1: into the law's life. Pamela rodas quote Accelerate Equity analyzed
Speaker 1: newly released data from the Department of Education for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three twenty twenty four and found that nationwide, colleges
Speaker 1: provided five hundred million dollars less in athletic aid to
Speaker 1: women than they did to men. In addition, only fourteen
Speaker 1: percent of colleges and universities and less than eleven percent
Speaker 1: of NCAA schools comply with the law. Our Gender Equity
Speaker 1: Dashboard is a free public resource that shows how every
Speaker 1: college is doing it providing equal treatment to women athletes.
Speaker 1: We launch the Gender Equity Dashboard to bring visibility to
Speaker 1: the issue of ongoing and equity in college sports, which
Speaker 1: will get worse if the House versus NCAA settlement is
Speaker 1: allowed to stand. The dashboard makes it easy for users
Speaker 1: to see if women are getting an equitable number of
Speaker 1: roster spots and athletic scholarships at any college as the
Speaker 1: law requires. Users can also see how spending on men's
Speaker 1: and women's sports and on recruiting compares at any school.
Speaker 1: End quote, Pamela, this is exceedingly useful. Thank you. We'll
Speaker 1: link to the dashboard in our show notes so you
Speaker 1: can see if your college is in compliance. We got
Speaker 1: to take a quick break when we come back. My
Speaker 1: conversation with Lindsay.
Speaker 2: Gibbs joining us now.
Speaker 1: She's the woman behind the Power Plays newsletter. She's a
Speaker 1: sports reporter who writes about the intersection of sports, culture
Speaker 1: and politics. In the past, she's worked as the sports
Speaker 1: reporter for Think Progress, as one of the co hosts
Speaker 1: of the Bernard all Down Pod, and as a freelancer
Speaker 1: for outlets including USA Today, Vice, Sports, Bleacher Report, Tennis Magazine,
Speaker 1: and Sports on Earth. A graduate of NY used Tish
Speaker 1: School of the Arts. Along the way, she's worked at
Speaker 1: America's Next Top Model, taught screenwriting, nannied and wrote a
Speaker 1: historical fiction novel about real life Hall of Fame tennis
Speaker 1: players who survived the singing of the Titanic. Mama Tamo
Speaker 1: the Dog recent tattoo getter. It's Lindsay Gibbs. Hi, Lindsey, Hi, Sarah,
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good.
Speaker 3: I feel like you made my life sound very exciting, so.
Speaker 1: I mean it is. When we spoke for my old podcast,
Speaker 1: I remember getting a deep dive into the America's Next
Speaker 1: Top Model a portion of your resume, which is always
Speaker 1: exciting to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always It's a fun card to pull out,
Speaker 3: you know, very randomly. There are a lot of people
Speaker 3: who've known me for a very very long time, who
Speaker 3: know nothing about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, period of mind, I'm still regularly telling people to smile.
Speaker 1: So it had a deep impact on me and my
Speaker 1: life forever, forever and ever. I want to start with
Speaker 1: Bernad all down Pod really quick, because I have noticed
Speaker 1: that you've twice recently united with your co host to
Speaker 1: do live podcasts. Is there any chance that's coming back
Speaker 1: for good?
Speaker 3: Oh man, we would absolutely love it. You know, if
Speaker 3: somebody wants to pay us good money to come back.
Speaker 3: We are here for conversations. For now, we're doing the
Speaker 3: one off live events when people want to have us
Speaker 3: come to their conference, I think we've still got it.
Speaker 3: But you know, we also are really busy in our
Speaker 3: careers and I think unfortunately got to a point where
Speaker 3: we couldn't do the weekly show anymore unless it made
Speaker 3: a little bit more since financially. So if they're financial
Speaker 3: backers out there, come fine.
Speaker 1: All right, Well this is it. iHeart Women's Sports network,
Speaker 1: full of shows about women's sports. You know, maybe we.
Speaker 3: Know someone, maybe someone's listening once, you know, a pretty
Speaker 3: trailblazing show if I do say so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's talk about that because when the show
Speaker 1: was out there, there wasn't nearly as much content around
Speaker 1: women's sports. There wasn't nearly as much coverage. What have
Speaker 1: you talked about in those live shows when it comes
Speaker 1: to trying to recap the last few years, I mean,
Speaker 1: the current landscape of women's sports journalism and women's sports
Speaker 1: in general has skyrocketed when compared to when you were
Speaker 1: doing that show the first time around. What stands out
Speaker 1: to you about what's changed, both in the sports world
Speaker 1: and also in the coverage of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean absolutely things have changed as far as
Speaker 3: a lot of ratings valuations. Team valuations is the biggest
Speaker 3: thing that's changed. If you look at we did a
Speaker 3: live show in Portland a few years ago that was
Speaker 3: in the middle of the sale of The Spirit to
Speaker 3: Michelle Kang. I remember we got the news during that
Speaker 3: live show. It was at a soccer supporters group that
Speaker 3: that scale had gone through for thirty million dollars, and
Speaker 3: everyone during that live show was just like, that was
Speaker 3: an astronomical number. And here we are three years later,
Speaker 3: you know, with two hundred and fifty million dollar valuations
Speaker 3: for NWSL clubs and WNBA clubs. So that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 3: But I think, honestly, what strikes us is how much
Speaker 3: things are the same as far as so many of
Speaker 3: those conversations that we had. I mean, in our very
Speaker 3: first episodes of Burn It All Down, we talked about racism,
Speaker 3: intersectional coverage of athletes in the WNBA. We talked about
Speaker 3: the anti trans legislation and transphobia and the threat that
Speaker 3: was posing. You know, we've been covering these issues, so
Speaker 3: I think what's what's striking is that the spotlight is bigger,
Speaker 3: the checks are bigger, but this has all been here,
Speaker 3: it's all been happening, and I think that's something we're
Speaker 3: both proud of. And it can be a little frustrating
Speaker 3: as well. And you know, you feel like you, just
Speaker 3: as I'm sure you do on this show, you just
Speaker 3: want to yell out every single day like I told
Speaker 3: you so? Like can I just get a T shirt
Speaker 3: that just says I told you so? But that doesn't
Speaker 3: really do any good, but it might make me feel better.
Speaker 1: Okay, So tell everyone about the power Plays newsletter. What
Speaker 1: first inspired you to launch it and what was your
Speaker 1: goal in creating it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I had been working at a psite called think Progress,
Speaker 3: where I covered the intersection of sports and politics. Lived
Speaker 3: in Washington, DC. You know, during this was during the
Speaker 3: first Trump administration. It was quite a time to be
Speaker 3: covering that beat. And during my free time, I also
Speaker 3: freelanced in women's sports, primarily on the Washington Mystics beat.
Speaker 3: But what became more and more part of my job
Speaker 3: and what I pushed to cover more and more at
Speaker 3: think Progress was women's sports and the ways that women's
Speaker 3: sports in general just covered every single political issue that
Speaker 3: you needed a lens through, right, It all kind of
Speaker 3: intersected at this point, and since there were fewer people
Speaker 3: covering it, it just became more and more a part
Speaker 3: of what I was doing on a day to day basis.
Speaker 3: When Think Progress was shut down, I got an opportunity
Speaker 3: through substack to launch a newsletter. And when I was
Speaker 3: asked what I wanted to be about, I just wanted
Speaker 3: it to be about women's sports, but it it was
Speaker 3: you know, that's it's a niche, but it's very broadly yes,
Speaker 3: as you know, right, we know that, yes, like people
Speaker 3: true we started, people were like, well enough to talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, excuse me, will there'd be enough of
Speaker 1: us and time and minutes to like cover all the
Speaker 1: things that are to talk.
Speaker 3: About, right, Yeah, it's you know, there's so many different
Speaker 3: you know, sections of women's sports. But what really interests
Speaker 3: me is the power dynamics at play, both interpersonal and societal.
Speaker 3: I think sports, at the end of the day, are
Speaker 3: about power, right, They're about attention, about money, about advertising,
Speaker 3: about community, and all of these things are sources of power.
Speaker 3: Why have historically women's sports been so marginalized and you know,
Speaker 3: to the extremes banned by governments for women because they
Speaker 3: were afraid of the power it would give to women.
Speaker 3: And so that's where kind of the name power plays
Speaker 3: came from. And it became my hope to kind of
Speaker 3: look at history of women's sports, the present day of
Speaker 3: women's sports, and the power structures and media coverage of
Speaker 3: that and try and take a big picture of view
Speaker 3: of the growth that was happening.
Speaker 1: What's your process when you're choosing topics to write about?
Speaker 3: Such a good question. The past two months have been
Speaker 3: very slow in the newsletter. I like on the way,
Speaker 3: but we're about to get really going for the summer.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be some specials, There's gonna be a lot
Speaker 3: of news for my loyal subscribers, so stay tuned and
Speaker 3: hopefully some new people to come on board. But it's
Speaker 3: really hard. I have to admit I have ADHD and
Speaker 3: I do not work well by myself. I need infrastructure
Speaker 3: to be really successful, and you don't have that as
Speaker 3: an individual. So a lot of my life is about
Speaker 3: creating infrastructure. It's about working on my mental health and
Speaker 3: physical health. When you work for people and you go
Speaker 3: to an office every day and you have people tell
Speaker 3: you what to do, and the kind of the executive
Speaker 3: functioning part of your job is outsourced a little bit,
Speaker 3: I find that I can be more tired and unhealthy
Speaker 3: and get through the day. But when it's just me,
Speaker 3: I really have to take care of myself in ways
Speaker 3: that I've never had to take care of myself before,
Speaker 3: and so that's interesting to find. But I'm five and
Speaker 3: a half years in this and I don't have the
Speaker 3: exact answers of what my process is, which is probably
Speaker 3: the problem. But I'm always working on three or four
Speaker 3: reported stories at a time. I'm always following all the
Speaker 3: current things that are happening when things are at their peak.
Speaker 3: I'm also doing one or two historical posts per month.
Speaker 3: So I'm you know, keeping up with the calendar of
Speaker 3: the women's sports which is you know, is a full
Speaker 3: time job itself, and looking at what, you know, what
Speaker 3: history I can tie in and what big picture stories
Speaker 3: I can kind of connect together, whether that's through original
Speaker 3: reporting like some pieces I'm working on maybe about the
Speaker 3: North Carolina Courage and kind of what they've been going
Speaker 3: through the past few years, or other stories that are
Speaker 3: in the in the mix that don't want.
Speaker 1: To really talk okay yet you're well, you're welcome to
Speaker 1: break that news here on what you're working for, or.
Speaker 3: Whether it's monitoring media coverage right and adding some context
Speaker 3: to that, whether it's using history, like uh, you know,
Speaker 3: during the Women's Final Four, was really excited that he
Speaker 3: get my friend and Burn All Down co host Jessica
Speaker 3: Luther to share some of her dissertation on Texas women's
Speaker 3: basketball in the History of Texas Women's Basketball, and that's
Speaker 3: when Texas was in the Final four. And so I
Speaker 3: think in that way, I'm always hoping that Power Plays
Speaker 3: isn't going to keep you up to date with everything,
Speaker 3: but I hope it adds context to the biggest women's
Speaker 3: sports stories of the day, and that's the word I
Speaker 3: keep coming back to as my my beacon is context.
Speaker 3: What context can I add that I think is missing
Speaker 3: from the telling of this story. And I think now
Speaker 3: with the way women's sports media coverage is boomy but
Speaker 3: also taking on lives of its own, that isn't always productive,
Speaker 3: I think that context. Although I have doubts about where
Speaker 3: my place in the media ecosystem falls with all the
Speaker 3: changes we've seen, I do think that context is more
Speaker 3: important than ever.
Speaker 1: One thousand percent, and it leads me perfectly to my
Speaker 1: next question, which was about that. One of the things
Speaker 1: that I've respected so much about your work and value
Speaker 1: so much about your work, especially things you dive into
Speaker 1: that I'm not as familiar with, is you're one of
Speaker 1: the couple people that I really follow their work to
Speaker 1: be given the context, the historical reporting, the information that
Speaker 1: offers the kind of information required to understand the story
Speaker 1: and really get it, and you're so good at that.
Speaker 1: You use the kind of fact checking and reporting that
Speaker 1: so many places maybe don't do, and the interviews that
Speaker 1: you do as well. We try to do that a
Speaker 1: lot here to producer. Alex is especially good about being
Speaker 1: like well an important thing to note about that record
Speaker 1: is it's you know, based on this and there was
Speaker 1: a different number of games in the schedule, or this
Speaker 1: is the first year they've allowed this, or things like that,
Speaker 1: which takes time and effort. And I wonder, when you're
Speaker 1: doing all that work, if you have the same go
Speaker 1: to sources, if you have people that make introductions for you.
Speaker 1: Because you are just yourself, You're not a big outlet.
Speaker 1: You're having to reach out and find folks to give
Speaker 1: you the information that you need to provide the context.
Speaker 1: Do you have a process for that?
Speaker 3: I mean, so much of it is just historical research.
Speaker 3: So newspapers dot com is my best friend. It's the
Speaker 3: best subscription I pay for out of the many I
Speaker 3: pay for that I forget about. But newspapers dot Com
Speaker 3: is uh is a lifeline for me. But also books,
Speaker 3: and you know, his story works because I think we
Speaker 3: find so much through that and a lot of my
Speaker 3: stories come from me just wondering. And I think that
Speaker 3: Another thing that I try and do is take advantage
Speaker 3: of the fact that I am an independent source and
Speaker 3: don't have to follow the same reporting formats that more
Speaker 3: traditional outlets do, so I can kind of take readers
Speaker 3: on a journey with me that says, I don't know
Speaker 3: everything about this topic, but let's see what we can
Speaker 3: find together.
Speaker 1: Well, and you have a point of view on it,
Speaker 1: which I think too. You combine the sort of fact
Speaker 1: checking and reporting that's necessary to tell these stories correctly,
Speaker 1: but you're not averse to actually taking a stand or
Speaker 1: reflecting a point of view on it. So you're combining
Speaker 1: sort of editorial with reporting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when people are following me, I mean,
Speaker 3: I've been doing this for almost fifteen years, so at
Speaker 3: this point I've been in this space and been writing
Speaker 3: about gender and sports and the intersections of the media
Speaker 3: and power for so long that I think people do
Speaker 3: follow me for my perspective, and I think there are
Speaker 3: much better reporters out there. I think there are much
Speaker 3: better writers out there. There are people who know a
Speaker 3: lot more about individual sports, for sure, they're definitely better
Speaker 3: analysts and women's sports in every single way. But I
Speaker 3: think what I can do is combine it together a
Speaker 3: love for the game and acknowledgment of the history, a
Speaker 3: curiosity to find out more, and a progressive viewpoint that
Speaker 3: I'm very very confident in and committed to and open
Speaker 3: about because I just don't see any reason to be
Speaker 3: to hide that. I mean, I worked at a progressive
Speaker 3: new political newsroom, so I've been lucky to be in
Speaker 3: spaces where expressing a viewpoint as long as it's you know,
Speaker 3: their facts to back it up, It's been encouraged. And
Speaker 3: I've taken that with me into power plays and I
Speaker 3: think run with it. You know, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: both sides the anti trans issue. That doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 3: not going to give some grace or try to handhold
Speaker 3: or hopefully provide lifelines to people who don't understand the
Speaker 3: issue fully and want to learn more about it. And
Speaker 3: I certainly don't want purity tests for anything in women's sports,
Speaker 3: because I think we're all learning and growing and trying
Speaker 3: to figure out things as we go and I certainly
Speaker 3: am not perfect. But I'm not going to pretend that
Speaker 3: there is great merit to taking sports away from transgender
Speaker 3: youth like that's just not.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 3: That would be a waste of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and I think there's a real
Speaker 1: need for perspective buoyed by facts and experience and the
Speaker 1: ability to sort of synthesize these ideas that are out
Speaker 1: there into a compelling argument because there are too many
Speaker 1: folks right now both sides in so extremely serious things,
Speaker 1: like the most serious things, And so the impact of
Speaker 1: women's sports and the opinions people have on it and
Speaker 1: how it intersects with societal issues is actually much more
Speaker 1: powerful than I think a lot of people are willing
Speaker 1: to admit. So we need more strong voices like yours.
Speaker 1: Do you have a dream athlete or team or topic
Speaker 1: that you'd love to interview or write about?
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, I mean, oh there's that's such a
Speaker 3: good question, and there are so many right now especially,
Speaker 3: but I think for me, I want to keep reporting
Speaker 3: on and learning more about the first pro athletes that
Speaker 3: we had in all of these sports, but going back
Speaker 3: to even previous iterations of Pro women's basketball, these various
Speaker 3: pro softball leagues that we've had stop and start, as
Speaker 3: we're now getting into athletes unlimited in this new league launching.
Speaker 3: You know, I did a story that was just archival
Speaker 3: research on you know, Major League volleyball and former iterations
Speaker 3: of Pro women's volleyball. I think there's so many valuable
Speaker 3: lessons to be learned from leagues that have launched and
Speaker 3: quote unquote failed or shut down. And I think that
Speaker 3: what these women went through and the ways they the
Speaker 3: word sacrifice I think is maybe too reductive, but the
Speaker 3: ways they persevered and held hope for women's sports during
Speaker 3: times when it was anything but in vogue to do so,
Speaker 3: I think just sets such a great example. And it's
Speaker 3: why I think history you can't fully appreciate any of
Speaker 3: these moments in women's sports without understanding some of the history.
Speaker 3: And I don't know that history either until I go
Speaker 3: back and look for it. I didn't grow up in
Speaker 3: a world where women's sports was the norm. I grew
Speaker 3: up in Greensboro, North Carolina, in a place where I
Speaker 3: watched ACC basketball, but that meant men's basketball. North Carolina
Speaker 3: Targhills won the national championship the women Charlotte Smith on
Speaker 3: a buzzer beater. I didn't hear that about that till
Speaker 3: like ten years ago, you know, like I didn't experience
Speaker 3: these moments in real time. I'm angry about it, and
Speaker 3: I want to do the research on what I missed
Speaker 3: and figure out how we can make sure that engaged
Speaker 3: sports fans and people who love women's sports or are
Speaker 3: open to loving women's sports don't miss out on these
Speaker 3: things being part of their lives and their media total.
Speaker 3: It's going forward.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's so true. Yeah, being like a
Speaker 1: diehard sports fan growing up, I didn't have female role
Speaker 1: models and I wasn't watching leagues, and part of that
Speaker 1: was because my parents weren't super into sports. So I
Speaker 1: just gravitated to the most obvious and clear things directly
Speaker 1: in front of me, which was you know, Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: and the nineties bulls. That was like my main thing,
Speaker 1: but you could not escape them. So that was a
Speaker 1: very clear thing to fall in love with. And I
Speaker 1: think if folks had introduced me to more opportunities in
Speaker 1: the women's side, I would have been really compelled by it.
Speaker 1: We have to take a quick break more with Lindsay
Speaker 1: Gibbs after this. Do you have a favorite of your
Speaker 1: many newsletters that you've written, maybe one or two that
Speaker 1: you might suggest to listeners who are not yet subscribed.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think my very first newsletter. It's wild that
Speaker 3: I keep coming back to that so many times, and
Speaker 3: I'm not one often pat myself on the back, but
Speaker 3: I do think I kind of nailed the entire ethos
Speaker 3: of power plays in one newsletter and the title is
Speaker 3: the myth that women's sports are in peril is perpetuated
Speaker 3: by the men in charge of them. And it looks
Speaker 3: at this ongoing narrative that we hear that women's sports
Speaker 3: are losing money and they're on the brink, and we
Speaker 3: as men are just trying to save it with our generosity.
Speaker 3: And it looks at how that narrative pushing has helped
Speaker 3: those men in power keep the power structures as they
Speaker 3: are and has really not been the truth of the
Speaker 3: women's sports movement. And like I said, I revisit that
Speaker 3: time and time again. I think that when you really
Speaker 3: get down to it, people like Adam Silver publicly dismissing
Speaker 3: the popularity of a league that they have financial investment
Speaker 3: in and are apparently the leaders of baffling it's something
Speaker 3: you don't see. So the question needs to be why
Speaker 3: are they doing this? And I think the answers are
Speaker 3: pretty clear. And then one I wrote more recently is
Speaker 3: about it's not capitalism holding back women's sports, it's male fragility.
Speaker 1: I like that one. I remember that one, and.
Speaker 3: It looks at how, yes, over the past couple of years,
Speaker 3: I'm with Kaitlin Clark. These numbers that we've seen are incredible,
Speaker 3: but they're not a historical. There are comps for them.
Speaker 3: We have seen almost eight million people watched the Women's
Speaker 3: NCAA Championship before. It's not the seventeen million people, but
Speaker 3: it's much more than we were getting in recent years.
Speaker 3: And if you look at that number, that's from nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety five, and after getting that huge number, it was
Speaker 3: taken off network television for almost twenty years. Women's INCAA Final.
Speaker 3: Once again, these are not decisions that are based on capitalism.
Speaker 3: If you look back at stars, there are examples of
Speaker 3: you know, of course we have Kaitlin Clark the way
Speaker 3: that she helped sell out arenas all across the college
Speaker 3: sports landscape, but there was a similar phenomena with Candice
Speaker 3: Parker and with Britney Griner that was chronicled in like
Speaker 3: the New York Times, where away arenas would have five
Speaker 3: times their typical attendance when these players were at the
Speaker 3: peaks of their athletic prowess. The problem was there wasn't
Speaker 3: the infrastructure to follow them to the WNBA and to
Speaker 3: keep maximizing upon that popularity. It wasn't these there simply
Speaker 3: wasn't the exposure. I think a part of the Kaitlin
Speaker 3: Clark effect that doesn't get talked about as much is
Speaker 3: I mean, women's sports is incredibly lucky to have Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3: I am incredibly lucky to be living and working in
Speaker 3: this space during her time. There is something singular about her,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. But also there was this ecosystem
Speaker 3: there to capitalize on it in a way there would
Speaker 3: not have been seven years ago. She really did come
Speaker 3: at a time where it was possible to capture the
Speaker 3: attention in the way that she has. And so I
Speaker 3: think that you need to look at all of these
Speaker 3: forces in context. And I think that newsletter about the
Speaker 3: ways that capitalism and male fragility have worked in tandem
Speaker 3: to keep women's sports marginalized once again, there's a lot.
Speaker 3: I provide a lot of facts and data that I
Speaker 3: think are really useful.
Speaker 1: I've mentioned on this show in the past that I
Speaker 1: wrote age thesis about Michael Jordan coming at the same
Speaker 1: time as the globalization of cable and how his star power,
Speaker 1: his unique charisma, his incredible talent also happened to arrive
Speaker 1: at the same time that the game was becoming more
Speaker 1: global and allowed him to become even more famous and
Speaker 1: spectacular than any previous star had been. And actually, there's
Speaker 1: a New Yorker story out this week about Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: that compares Michael Jordan and Kaitlyn Clark and the timing
Speaker 1: of their arrival and everything else, and whether it's their
Speaker 1: singular excellence that has propelled them or a combination of factors,
Speaker 1: and that kind of context is what's so necessary. And
Speaker 1: I think the reason you point out those two stories
Speaker 1: and why I've been drawn to your work and David Barry,
Speaker 1: and why in my presentations over the last few years,
Speaker 1: in particular, when asked to speak on the growth of
Speaker 1: women's sports, I always come back to intention. That the
Speaker 1: product is consistently blamed without any discussion of the intention
Speaker 1: to bury it, ban it, prevent it, whole it back.
Speaker 1: And that comes back to the male fragility you mentioned
Speaker 1: in that one newsletter that so many times across history
Speaker 1: we've dug a little deeper and found out that women
Speaker 1: were thriving and excelling, and then men got pissed about it,
Speaker 1: and they decided to banish them to a side channel
Speaker 1: where literally banish them from playing, and without that information,
Speaker 1: we will keep having these cycles where we're trying to
Speaker 1: convince people that the product is worthy when the problem
Speaker 1: is actually the system that it lives within. And so
Speaker 1: I love that you're consistently beating that drum and bringing
Speaker 1: the facts and the information to back it up.
Speaker 3: And also just think it's really important in this moment,
Speaker 3: as we're on this peak to be wary of what's
Speaker 3: to come, because they're.
Speaker 1: One thousand percent we looking.
Speaker 3: At history, we know one hundred percent there is going
Speaker 3: to be blowback. I'm not sure exactly what form that's
Speaker 3: going to take, but there are is going to be
Speaker 3: purposeful moves to try and squash this momentum, and a
Speaker 3: lot of it's going to come from some of the
Speaker 3: same people who are championing it. Right now. It's gone
Speaker 3: person And if we haven't studied history, if we haven't
Speaker 3: looked at what's happened to these other leagues, what's happened
Speaker 3: to these other stars, what's happened to these other rating cycles,
Speaker 3: We're we're going to miss it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the administration is going to be a
Speaker 1: big part of that. I think House versus NCAA and
Speaker 1: how and where that applies to title nine. I think
Speaker 1: trans inclusion. I think all the different intersections that happen
Speaker 1: at women's sports make for some pretty easy lines to
Speaker 1: draw between the folks in charge and their desire to
Speaker 1: put women in their place, and what that means for empowered,
Speaker 1: embodied women, which are very often athletes and role models,
Speaker 1: and the folks that are getting out in front of
Speaker 1: this stuff. So I think you're completely right about that.
Speaker 1: We have to be very wary. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about your subscribers. You're at nearly twelve thousand. That's
Speaker 1: a lot. A lot of folks dream of turning their
Speaker 1: sports writing into a full time gig. Are you able
Speaker 1: to support yourself with power Plays? Do you find that
Speaker 1: you're adding other gigs to supplement Can people see you
Speaker 1: and be like, Oh, she's living the dream and how
Speaker 1: did you figure out how to do it?
Speaker 3: Gosh, that's such a load of question right now, because
Speaker 3: I mentioned it's been a rough few months of work,
Speaker 3: But overall, yes, power plays has been my primary source
Speaker 3: of income over the past five years. I have gone
Speaker 3: through a lot of family stuff in that time where
Speaker 3: I haven't necessarily been kind of getting by has been
Speaker 3: good enough for my attention span. I have been fully
Speaker 3: focused on growing and thriving financially and really growing a
Speaker 3: business as much as just maintaining what I have as
Speaker 3: I had to put my attention elsewhere, but it has
Speaker 3: I do. I am a full time sports reporter, primarily
Speaker 3: work in women's sports. I do take some freelance projects.
Speaker 3: I have been co slates, hang Up and listen podcasts
Speaker 3: for a while now, and that is a gig that
Speaker 3: isn't just women's sports, but is some women's sports. But yeah,
Speaker 3: this is my life. I don't have I tell people,
Speaker 3: I don't have a trust fund, I don't have a
Speaker 3: rich partner, I don't have anything besides the work that
Speaker 3: I do on a day in, day out basis, and
Speaker 3: I am able to make it work. I'm very lucky.
Speaker 3: I have very patient and graceful subscribers, and I am
Speaker 3: working on giving back to them a lot. And the
Speaker 3: rest of this year is really going to be focused
Speaker 3: on growing and giving back to the power Place community.
Speaker 3: And I'm so excited for it because I'm so grateful
Speaker 3: for the support I've gotten. But do I want more? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's time to get more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that you know you mentioned earlier, there
Speaker 1: are some challenges for you, in particular being your own boss,
Speaker 1: and as much frustration as there is a working at
Speaker 1: a large company and everything from you know, filling out
Speaker 1: paperwork and dealing with the back end of their website
Speaker 1: and how do you report your expenses and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: there's also a lot to working for yourself because you
Speaker 1: have to report and write it, you have to promote it,
Speaker 1: you have to market yourself. You have to try to
Speaker 1: get an audience. You have to figure out your bills
Speaker 1: and expenses and your taxes for the things that are
Speaker 1: write offs. How do you manage sort of lindsay the
Speaker 1: reporter writer who just wants to do that, versus understanding
Speaker 1: that lindsay the business person has to show up often
Speaker 1: enough to get that work out there.
Speaker 3: I'm terrible at it, and when I figured it out,
Speaker 3: I'll let you know. Now, listen, the hardest thing for
Speaker 3: about every single thing about this job is against what's
Speaker 3: natural to me, as far as the amount of self
Speaker 3: promotion is necessary, as far as holding yourself accountable to deadlines,
Speaker 3: as far as you know the business acumen required, and
Speaker 3: just the kind of day to day maintenance it's all
Speaker 3: really difficult, but I think that's ultimately where the beauty
Speaker 3: in life lies, because ultimately I am choosing this, I
Speaker 3: have chosen this path. I do love what I do,
Speaker 3: and there's just a lot of discomfort that comes with
Speaker 3: it on a day to day basis for me, and
Speaker 3: I think when we're younger or any age, really, there
Speaker 3: can be this myth that living the dream involves just
Speaker 3: joy and comfort and ease at all times. And I
Speaker 3: think that I've really come to understand that living the
Speaker 3: dream involves daily discomfort.
Speaker 1: And you've got to earn the dream.
Speaker 3: You have to re earn the dream every day, and
Speaker 3: so I'm learning I've really changed my mindset around that,
Speaker 3: and I'm it's been really helpful, but it's hard. I
Speaker 3: don't want to pretend like it hasn't been incredibly hard
Speaker 3: for me. No.
Speaker 1: I think it's good to be honest for people. But
Speaker 1: I also think I love that last point because sometimes
Speaker 1: the story that we tell ourselves is the one we believe.
Speaker 1: And you just said that there's so many aspects of
Speaker 1: this are unnatural for you are not a fit. But
Speaker 1: I would argue that you've created a space where you
Speaker 1: don't have insane deadlines, because the deadline is when you
Speaker 1: want to put something up again. You don't want to
Speaker 1: go too long in between stories. It will affect people's
Speaker 1: interest in it if you do have you know, not
Speaker 1: enough content or whatever. You know, eventually you do have
Speaker 1: to put work up. But it's not like working for
Speaker 1: somewhere where it's like a story a day, a story
Speaker 1: a week, whatever that is. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: ways to also reframe the story for yourself that you've
Speaker 1: found a way to best use your skills and still
Speaker 1: have a little nudge every once in a while when
Speaker 1: required to make sure you get it out there.
Speaker 3: Thanks for life, coach Sarah, I like, well, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I've been working on the stories, and if you
Speaker 1: repeat them long and if you like, really really ingrain them,
Speaker 1: and then one day you might wake up and be like,
Speaker 1: that's not actually true about me at all.
Speaker 3: You know, it's constant work. And you know, one of
Speaker 3: the things I love about sports is the way that
Speaker 3: you see people in really tangible ways working through problems
Speaker 3: on a day and day out basis. And I always
Speaker 3: think it's fascinating that the best athletes in the world,
Speaker 3: the best basketball players in the world, miss free throws
Speaker 3: every day, and they have to go out and practice
Speaker 3: the most basic shot in their sport, a shot that
Speaker 3: you would think is automatic. They still can struggle with that.
Speaker 3: The pressure can still impact that, you know, every single
Speaker 3: part of their jobs they have to continue to work
Speaker 3: at in order to sometimes even stay at a level
Speaker 3: lower than their best. You know, depending on what you are.
Speaker 3: And I think there's so many great lessons. I am
Speaker 3: the farthest thing from an athlete.
Speaker 1: I'm not like you.
Speaker 3: I didn't have this college athletics experience, but is someone
Speaker 3: just trying to get through the day on a day
Speaker 3: to day basis.
Speaker 1: You can take a lot from it.
Speaker 3: I take a lot from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, like, I am very
Speaker 1: grateful for being sort of a year round, lifelong athlete
Speaker 1: through college because in a non maniacal way, I am
Speaker 1: always self assessing and self improving. It's extremely important to
Speaker 1: me because I grew up with this constant daily assessment
Speaker 1: of am I getting better? What do I need to
Speaker 1: work on? And being really open to asking that. And
Speaker 1: I've often been at jobs and told my bosses like,
Speaker 1: I want more feedback. Can you give me more feedback?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And they're like, you're doing great, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: what am I doing wrong? What can I get better at?
Speaker 1: Like I'm constantly wanting to look at that. And I
Speaker 1: think that's a skill from sports that some people don't
Speaker 1: have or they fear that kind of feedback instead of
Speaker 1: like welcoming it and then like being able to put
Speaker 1: it to you. So I think that's such a great point.
Speaker 1: Watching athletes every day, even the very best ones recognize
Speaker 1: that constant cycle of improvement is necessary to evolution, is
Speaker 1: really important. All right, last question. You mentioned that some
Speaker 1: big things are coming up. You've been on like a
Speaker 1: little bit of a heatus over there, So anything you
Speaker 1: could tell us about or are you just going to
Speaker 1: give us the big tease of keep your eyes on
Speaker 1: this site, keep your eyes on this site.
Speaker 3: I know, I think that I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: there's so many big, big stories we're looking into from
Speaker 3: I think explaining and talking to experts about how this
Speaker 3: House versus NCAA settlement is really going to impact the
Speaker 3: women's sports world and continuing to check in on that
Speaker 3: story to looking at and wrestling with what we want
Speaker 3: from our women's sports teams during this day and the
Speaker 3: Trump administration. I think we were getting very different things
Speaker 3: from women's sports during the first Trump administration, then maybe
Speaker 3: we're getting now. And I am asking myself the question
Speaker 3: of what do what does it that even want from
Speaker 3: my favorite athletes right now? And I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I think it's something that we should all wrestle with
Speaker 3: together and openly. There's a lot of historical uh you know,
Speaker 3: beats coming up. I will be at WNBA All Star,
Speaker 3: so very excited for that.
Speaker 1: Awesome that.
Speaker 3: I've got a lot of CBA stuff coming up with
Speaker 3: the w NBA CBA. We're going to do history of
Speaker 3: CBAS and women's sports and kind of look at how
Speaker 3: we got to this current moment in the CBA, because
Speaker 3: I think it's really easy to shit on the current deal.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, I don't know if I'm allowed to cuss.
Speaker 1: You're welcome to you.
Speaker 3: It's really easy. But once again, I think when you
Speaker 3: add context to.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, when I first arrived, it was a big deal.
Speaker 1: They were incredibly proud of just a few years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a big step at the time.
Speaker 3: And this week we'll be kind of wrestling with pride
Speaker 3: and the kind of the state of LGBTQ issues in sports.
Speaker 3: And I have to give a shout out to another podcast,
Speaker 3: The Recap Show with Kristin Press and Tobin Heath who
Speaker 3: they've had some stuff this month that's really helped me
Speaker 3: reframe how I was thinking of Pride Games and the
Speaker 3: way I was thinking about the role women's sports play
Speaker 3: in our world right now. And that's making me a
Speaker 3: little bit more empathetic to people who are not where
Speaker 3: I am as far as acceptance and education and tolerance.
Speaker 3: And it's made me want to be a little bit
Speaker 3: more open and graceful and content being in the gray area.
Speaker 3: And I like it when I end up in unexpected places.
Speaker 1: I love that. We'll have to check that out. Thanks
Speaker 1: for the rec and thanks so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: We're looking forward to what's next.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for this. It was I'm such
Speaker 3: a fan of the show. I love you, I love
Speaker 3: Misha and Alex. I've known forever, especially Misha when I
Speaker 3: know Misha's a baby now, but I knew when it
Speaker 3: was baby, baby, Mesha baby.
Speaker 1: They were even younger at one point than this.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen not too much, not too much, because Lindsay
Speaker 3: knew Lindsay knew me before I knew what the hell
Speaker 3: I was doing.
Speaker 1: So and can they say like they know now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's so funny. Uh yeah. When they
Speaker 3: were in still in college, we would sit next to
Speaker 3: each other at the Mystics games. So it's been it's
Speaker 3: been a while, but yeah, love what you're doing on the.
Speaker 1: Next time you're on lots of baby meche stores. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what we're starting with.
Speaker 3: Sounds great.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Lindsay for joining us. We got
Speaker 1: to take another break when we come back. He's a Nazi. Dana,
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Slices. I got a shout out slice Dana
Speaker 1: Holtzburg for making a ridiculous fake poster after my interview
Speaker 1: with Canadian hockey super call Lauris Stacy and Maury Philip Pulen.
Speaker 1: The poster, which is a nod to the old movie
Speaker 1: Hunt for Red October, has my giant red face on
Speaker 1: it and says the hunt for Marcus, The hunt is on.
Speaker 1: She's gay Marcus. It's too much. We'll put a link
Speaker 1: in the show notes so you can see it. Also
Speaker 1: an update Dana and other slices. We did joke in
Speaker 1: that interview that we haven't heard from Marcus lately, and
Speaker 1: it turns out that's for the best because producer Alex
Speaker 1: checked in on his social account and he appears to
Speaker 1: be an actual Nazi. So hunt for Marcus is officially over.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and let Marcus live and die in
Speaker 1: his little wholesomewhere in hell. We always love that you're listening,
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Speaker 1: played its title game on Saturday, and if you tuned in,
Speaker 1: you might have noticed a familiar face. Jennifer King, the
Speaker 1: first black woman to be named a full time NFL coach,
Speaker 1: got the sideline reporter assignment for the game and she
Speaker 1: did it. Damn good job. We'll link to her postgame
Speaker 1: interview with members of the winning squad, the Texas Elite
Speaker 1: Spartans in our show notes. We love seeing folks try
Speaker 1: something new and let me tell you, sideline reporting might
Speaker 1: look easy, but it is not an easy gig. So
Speaker 1: kudos to Jennifer for expanding her horizons. Hopefully we see
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