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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where the Sunday

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Speaker 1: Scaries we're more like terrors this weekend. After the Cheetoh

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Speaker 1: ourselves in some sports nonsense for a little bit, how

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Speaker 1: about you. It's Monday, June twenty third, and on today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking with Lindsay Gibbs, creator of the women's

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Speaker 1: sports newsletter Powerplays, about her process in choosing, researching and

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Speaker 1: writing about topics, the challenges of being your own boss,

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Speaker 1: and why knowing history and context in women's sports is

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Speaker 1: more important than ever. Plus a Hoops and gayshit Soft

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Speaker 1: Tarred launch WNBA Portland Tees is an announcement the Sad

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Speaker 1: Facks about Title nine at fifty three, and a friend

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Speaker 1: of the show bids farewell to the beautiful game. It's

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Speaker 1: all coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's

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Speaker 1: what you need to know today in Hoops's Pride Month

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Speaker 1: with some hoops and gay shit. Many have speculated about

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Speaker 1: the nature of the quote unquote friendship between Dallas Wing's

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Speaker 1: rookie Page Beckers and her former Yukon teammate Azy Fudd.

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Speaker 1: While on Saturday, Fud gave the world a definitive answer,

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Speaker 1: the Yukon super senior took to Instagram to post a

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Speaker 1: pink letters. Doesn't get much clearer than that. We'll link

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Speaker 1: to a friend of the show coach Jackie Jay's video

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Speaker 1: are basketball gays across the world absolutely losing it right

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Speaker 1: now because this is a friends to lover her story

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Speaker 1: for the Ages. Fud and Beckers have been friends for

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Speaker 1: a long ass time. For a story by USA Today's

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Speaker 1: Sidney Henderson. The two first met in twenty seventeen while

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Speaker 1: cute little take on those recent trending videos about restaurant bills.

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Speaker 1: Becker's replies two hundred dollars, and Fud replies, Oh, that's

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Speaker 1: I'm into Paisy more hoops. Remember last week when we

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Speaker 1: told you about Chicago skystar Angel Reese trying to turn

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Speaker 1: New York Liberty star John Qwell Jones is out for

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Speaker 1: The Liberty are currently hold and strong at second in

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Speaker 1: the second half of the season. Speaking of the All

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Speaker 1: Indiana feverstar Caitlin Clark leads all players with almost five

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Lynx's Novisa Collier is right behind her with

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Speaker 1: Page Beckers is in sixth. Indiana's Gamebridge Fieldhouse is going

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Speaker 1: to play host to the festivities July eighteenth to nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: and with four Fever players in the top ten of

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Speaker 1: and can you believe it even more. WNBA News the

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Speaker 1: read quote July fifteenth, the countdown is on end quote.

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Speaker 1: playing twenty twenty six, along with fellow expansion team, the

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Speaker 1: Klingenberg finally did it. She officially retired from professional soccer

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Speaker 1: Right Slices. Today marks the fifty third anniversary of Title nine,

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Speaker 1: and Accelerate Equity founder and certified Slice Pamela Seideman shared

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Speaker 1: newly released data from the Department of Education for twenty

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Speaker 1: for outlets including USA Today, Vice, Sports, Bleacher Report, Tennis Magazine,

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Speaker 1: and Sports on Earth. A graduate of NY used Tish

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Speaker 1: the Dog recent tattoo getter. It's Lindsay Gibbs. Hi, Lindsey, Hi, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you made my life sound very exciting, so.

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Speaker 1: I mean it is. When we spoke for my old podcast,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, period of mind, I'm still regularly telling people to smile.

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Speaker 1: So it had a deep impact on me and my

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Speaker 1: life forever, forever and ever. I want to start with

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Speaker 1: Bernad all down Pod really quick, because I have noticed

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Speaker 3: Oh man, we would absolutely love it. You know, if

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Speaker 3: We are here for conversations. For now, we're doing the

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Speaker 3: But you know, we also are really busy in our

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Speaker 1: All right, Well this is it. iHeart Women's Sports network,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean absolutely things have changed as far as

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Speaker 1: Okay, So tell everyone about the power Plays newsletter. What

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Speaker 3: So I had been working at a psite called think Progress,

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Speaker 3: When Think Progress was shut down, I got an opportunity

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Speaker 3: Such a good question. The past two months have been

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Speaker 3: traditional outlets do, so I can kind of take readers

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Speaker 3: on a journey with me that says, I don't know

432
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Speaker 3: everything about this topic, but let's see what we can

433
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Speaker 3: find together.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you have a point of view on it,

435
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Speaker 1: which I think too. You combine the sort of fact

436
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Speaker 1: checking and reporting that's necessary to tell these stories correctly,

437
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Speaker 1: but you're not averse to actually taking a stand or

438
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Speaker 1: reflecting a point of view on it. So you're combining

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Speaker 1: sort of editorial with reporting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when people are following me, I mean,

441
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Speaker 3: I've been doing this for almost fifteen years, so at

442
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Speaker 3: this point I've been in this space and been writing

443
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Speaker 3: about gender and sports and the intersections of the media

444
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 3: and power for so long that I think people do

445
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Speaker 3: follow me for my perspective, and I think there are

446
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: much better reporters out there. I think there are much

447
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: better writers out there. There are people who know a

448
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Speaker 3: lot more about individual sports, for sure, they're definitely better

449
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 3: analysts and women's sports in every single way. But I

450
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Speaker 3: think what I can do is combine it together a

451
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Speaker 3: love for the game and acknowledgment of the history, a

452
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Speaker 3: curiosity to find out more, and a progressive viewpoint that

453
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Speaker 3: I'm very very confident in and committed to and open

454
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Speaker 3: about because I just don't see any reason to be

455
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Speaker 3: to hide that. I mean, I worked at a progressive

456
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: new political newsroom, so I've been lucky to be in

457
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Speaker 3: spaces where expressing a viewpoint as long as it's you know,

458
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Speaker 3: their facts to back it up, It's been encouraged. And

459
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Speaker 3: I've taken that with me into power plays and I

460
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Speaker 3: think run with it. You know, I'm not going to

461
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Speaker 3: both sides the anti trans issue. That doesn't mean I'm

462
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Speaker 3: not going to give some grace or try to handhold

463
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Speaker 3: or hopefully provide lifelines to people who don't understand the

464
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Speaker 3: issue fully and want to learn more about it. And

465
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Speaker 3: I certainly don't want purity tests for anything in women's sports,

466
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Speaker 3: because I think we're all learning and growing and trying

467
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Speaker 3: to figure out things as we go and I certainly

468
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Speaker 3: am not perfect. But I'm not going to pretend that

469
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Speaker 3: there is great merit to taking sports away from transgender

470
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Speaker 3: youth like that's just not.

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 3: That would be a waste of time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and I think there's a real

474
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Speaker 1: need for perspective buoyed by facts and experience and the

475
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Speaker 1: ability to sort of synthesize these ideas that are out

476
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Speaker 1: there into a compelling argument because there are too many

477
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: folks right now both sides in so extremely serious things,

478
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Speaker 1: like the most serious things, And so the impact of

479
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Speaker 1: women's sports and the opinions people have on it and

480
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Speaker 1: how it intersects with societal issues is actually much more

481
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Speaker 1: powerful than I think a lot of people are willing

482
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Speaker 1: to admit. So we need more strong voices like yours.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a dream athlete or team or topic

484
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Speaker 1: that you'd love to interview or write about?

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Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, I mean, oh there's that's such a

486
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Speaker 3: good question, and there are so many right now especially,

487
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Speaker 3: but I think for me, I want to keep reporting

488
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Speaker 3: on and learning more about the first pro athletes that

489
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Speaker 3: we had in all of these sports, but going back

490
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Speaker 3: to even previous iterations of Pro women's basketball, these various

491
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 3: pro softball leagues that we've had stop and start, as

492
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Speaker 3: we're now getting into athletes unlimited in this new league launching.

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Speaker 3: You know, I did a story that was just archival

494
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Speaker 3: research on you know, Major League volleyball and former iterations

495
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Speaker 3: of Pro women's volleyball. I think there's so many valuable

496
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Speaker 3: lessons to be learned from leagues that have launched and

497
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Speaker 3: quote unquote failed or shut down. And I think that

498
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Speaker 3: what these women went through and the ways they the

499
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Speaker 3: word sacrifice I think is maybe too reductive, but the

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Speaker 3: ways they persevered and held hope for women's sports during

501
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Speaker 3: times when it was anything but in vogue to do so,

502
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Speaker 3: I think just sets such a great example. And it's

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Speaker 3: why I think history you can't fully appreciate any of

504
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Speaker 3: these moments in women's sports without understanding some of the history.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that history either until I go

506
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Speaker 3: back and look for it. I didn't grow up in

507
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Speaker 3: a world where women's sports was the norm. I grew

508
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Speaker 3: up in Greensboro, North Carolina, in a place where I

509
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: watched ACC basketball, but that meant men's basketball. North Carolina

510
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: Targhills won the national championship the women Charlotte Smith on

511
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Speaker 3: a buzzer beater. I didn't hear that about that till

512
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Speaker 3: like ten years ago, you know, like I didn't experience

513
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Speaker 3: these moments in real time. I'm angry about it, and

514
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Speaker 3: I want to do the research on what I missed

515
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Speaker 3: and figure out how we can make sure that engaged

516
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Speaker 3: sports fans and people who love women's sports or are

517
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Speaker 3: open to loving women's sports don't miss out on these

518
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Speaker 3: things being part of their lives and their media total.

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Speaker 3: It's going forward.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's so true. Yeah, being like a

521
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: diehard sports fan growing up, I didn't have female role

522
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Speaker 1: models and I wasn't watching leagues, and part of that

523
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: was because my parents weren't super into sports. So I

524
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: just gravitated to the most obvious and clear things directly

525
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Speaker 1: in front of me, which was you know, Michael Jordan

526
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Speaker 1: and the nineties bulls. That was like my main thing,

527
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Speaker 1: but you could not escape them. So that was a

528
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Speaker 1: very clear thing to fall in love with. And I

529
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Speaker 1: think if folks had introduced me to more opportunities in

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Speaker 1: the women's side, I would have been really compelled by it.

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Speaker 1: We have to take a quick break more with Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Gibbs after this. Do you have a favorite of your

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Speaker 1: many newsletters that you've written, maybe one or two that

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Speaker 1: you might suggest to listeners who are not yet subscribed.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think my very first newsletter. It's wild that

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Speaker 3: I keep coming back to that so many times, and

537
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm not one often pat myself on the back, but

538
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: I do think I kind of nailed the entire ethos

539
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: of power plays in one newsletter and the title is

540
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: the myth that women's sports are in peril is perpetuated

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Speaker 3: by the men in charge of them. And it looks

542
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Speaker 3: at this ongoing narrative that we hear that women's sports

543
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Speaker 3: are losing money and they're on the brink, and we

544
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Speaker 3: as men are just trying to save it with our generosity.

545
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Speaker 3: And it looks at how that narrative pushing has helped

546
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Speaker 3: those men in power keep the power structures as they

547
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Speaker 3: are and has really not been the truth of the

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Speaker 3: women's sports movement. And like I said, I revisit that

549
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Speaker 3: time and time again. I think that when you really

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Speaker 3: get down to it, people like Adam Silver publicly dismissing

551
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Speaker 3: the popularity of a league that they have financial investment

552
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: in and are apparently the leaders of baffling it's something

553
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: you don't see. So the question needs to be why

554
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: are they doing this? And I think the answers are

555
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: pretty clear. And then one I wrote more recently is

556
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Speaker 3: about it's not capitalism holding back women's sports, it's male fragility.

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Speaker 1: I like that one. I remember that one, and.

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Speaker 3: It looks at how, yes, over the past couple of years,

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Speaker 3: I'm with Kaitlin Clark. These numbers that we've seen are incredible,

560
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Speaker 3: but they're not a historical. There are comps for them.

561
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Speaker 3: We have seen almost eight million people watched the Women's

562
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Speaker 3: NCAA Championship before. It's not the seventeen million people, but

563
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Speaker 3: it's much more than we were getting in recent years.

564
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Speaker 3: And if you look at that number, that's from nineteen

565
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Speaker 3: ninety five, and after getting that huge number, it was

566
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Speaker 3: taken off network television for almost twenty years. Women's INCAA Final.

567
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Speaker 3: Once again, these are not decisions that are based on capitalism.

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00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: If you look back at stars, there are examples of

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Speaker 3: you know, of course we have Kaitlin Clark the way

570
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Speaker 3: that she helped sell out arenas all across the college

571
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: sports landscape, but there was a similar phenomena with Candice

572
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Speaker 3: Parker and with Britney Griner that was chronicled in like

573
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Speaker 3: the New York Times, where away arenas would have five

574
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Speaker 3: times their typical attendance when these players were at the

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Speaker 3: peaks of their athletic prowess. The problem was there wasn't

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Speaker 3: the infrastructure to follow them to the WNBA and to

577
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Speaker 3: keep maximizing upon that popularity. It wasn't these there simply

578
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: wasn't the exposure. I think a part of the Kaitlin

579
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Speaker 3: Clark effect that doesn't get talked about as much is

580
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Speaker 3: I mean, women's sports is incredibly lucky to have Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 3: I am incredibly lucky to be living and working in

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Speaker 3: this space during her time. There is something singular about her,

583
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Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. But also there was this ecosystem

584
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Speaker 3: there to capitalize on it in a way there would

585
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: not have been seven years ago. She really did come

586
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Speaker 3: at a time where it was possible to capture the

587
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Speaker 3: attention in the way that she has. And so I

588
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: think that you need to look at all of these

589
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: forces in context. And I think that newsletter about the

590
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Speaker 3: ways that capitalism and male fragility have worked in tandem

591
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Speaker 3: to keep women's sports marginalized once again, there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: I provide a lot of facts and data that I

593
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Speaker 3: think are really useful.

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned on this show in the past that I

595
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: wrote age thesis about Michael Jordan coming at the same

596
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: time as the globalization of cable and how his star power,

597
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: his unique charisma, his incredible talent also happened to arrive

598
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Speaker 1: at the same time that the game was becoming more

599
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: global and allowed him to become even more famous and

600
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Speaker 1: spectacular than any previous star had been. And actually, there's

601
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Speaker 1: a New Yorker story out this week about Caitlin Clark

602
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Speaker 1: that compares Michael Jordan and Kaitlyn Clark and the timing

603
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Speaker 1: of their arrival and everything else, and whether it's their

604
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: singular excellence that has propelled them or a combination of factors,

605
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Speaker 1: and that kind of context is what's so necessary. And

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Speaker 1: I think the reason you point out those two stories

607
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Speaker 1: and why I've been drawn to your work and David Barry,

608
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Speaker 1: and why in my presentations over the last few years,

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Speaker 1: in particular, when asked to speak on the growth of

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Speaker 1: women's sports, I always come back to intention. That the

611
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: product is consistently blamed without any discussion of the intention

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Speaker 1: to bury it, ban it, prevent it, whole it back.

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00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: And that comes back to the male fragility you mentioned

614
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: in that one newsletter that so many times across history

615
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: we've dug a little deeper and found out that women

616
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: were thriving and excelling, and then men got pissed about it,

617
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: and they decided to banish them to a side channel

618
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: where literally banish them from playing, and without that information,

619
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Speaker 1: we will keep having these cycles where we're trying to

620
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Speaker 1: convince people that the product is worthy when the problem

621
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: is actually the system that it lives within. And so

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Speaker 1: I love that you're consistently beating that drum and bringing

623
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Speaker 1: the facts and the information to back it up.

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Speaker 3: And also just think it's really important in this moment,

625
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Speaker 3: as we're on this peak to be wary of what's

626
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: to come, because they're.

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Speaker 1: One thousand percent we looking.

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Speaker 3: At history, we know one hundred percent there is going

629
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Speaker 3: to be blowback. I'm not sure exactly what form that's

630
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: going to take, but there are is going to be

631
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Speaker 3: purposeful moves to try and squash this momentum, and a

632
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: lot of it's going to come from some of the

633
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: same people who are championing it. Right now. It's gone

634
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: person And if we haven't studied history, if we haven't

635
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: looked at what's happened to these other leagues, what's happened

636
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Speaker 3: to these other stars, what's happened to these other rating cycles,

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Speaker 3: We're we're going to miss it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the administration is going to be a

639
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: big part of that. I think House versus NCAA and

640
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: how and where that applies to title nine. I think

641
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: trans inclusion. I think all the different intersections that happen

642
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: at women's sports make for some pretty easy lines to

643
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: draw between the folks in charge and their desire to

644
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: put women in their place, and what that means for empowered,

645
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: embodied women, which are very often athletes and role models,

646
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Speaker 1: and the folks that are getting out in front of

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Speaker 1: this stuff. So I think you're completely right about that.

648
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Speaker 1: We have to be very wary. I want to ask

649
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Speaker 1: you about your subscribers. You're at nearly twelve thousand. That's

650
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Speaker 1: a lot. A lot of folks dream of turning their

651
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Speaker 1: sports writing into a full time gig. Are you able

652
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Speaker 1: to support yourself with power Plays? Do you find that

653
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: you're adding other gigs to supplement Can people see you

654
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Speaker 1: and be like, Oh, she's living the dream and how

655
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Speaker 1: did you figure out how to do it?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, that's such a load of question right now, because

657
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Speaker 3: I mentioned it's been a rough few months of work,

658
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Speaker 3: But overall, yes, power plays has been my primary source

659
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Speaker 3: of income over the past five years. I have gone

660
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Speaker 3: through a lot of family stuff in that time where

661
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Speaker 3: I haven't necessarily been kind of getting by has been

662
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Speaker 3: good enough for my attention span. I have been fully

663
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Speaker 3: focused on growing and thriving financially and really growing a

664
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Speaker 3: business as much as just maintaining what I have as

665
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Speaker 3: I had to put my attention elsewhere, but it has

666
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Speaker 3: I do. I am a full time sports reporter, primarily

667
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Speaker 3: work in women's sports. I do take some freelance projects.

668
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Speaker 3: I have been co slates, hang Up and listen podcasts

669
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Speaker 3: for a while now, and that is a gig that

670
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Speaker 3: isn't just women's sports, but is some women's sports. But yeah,

671
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Speaker 3: this is my life. I don't have I tell people,

672
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Speaker 3: I don't have a trust fund, I don't have a

673
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Speaker 3: rich partner, I don't have anything besides the work that

674
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Speaker 3: I do on a day in, day out basis, and

675
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Speaker 3: I am able to make it work. I'm very lucky.

676
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Speaker 3: I have very patient and graceful subscribers, and I am

677
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Speaker 3: working on giving back to them a lot. And the

678
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Speaker 3: rest of this year is really going to be focused

679
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Speaker 3: on growing and giving back to the power Place community.

680
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Speaker 3: And I'm so excited for it because I'm so grateful

681
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Speaker 3: for the support I've gotten. But do I want more? Yeah,

682
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Speaker 3: it's time to get more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that you know you mentioned earlier, there

684
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Speaker 1: are some challenges for you, in particular being your own boss,

685
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Speaker 1: and as much frustration as there is a working at

686
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Speaker 1: a large company and everything from you know, filling out

687
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Speaker 1: paperwork and dealing with the back end of their website

688
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Speaker 1: and how do you report your expenses and blah blah blah,

689
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Speaker 1: there's also a lot to working for yourself because you

690
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Speaker 1: have to report and write it, you have to promote it,

691
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Speaker 1: you have to market yourself. You have to try to

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Speaker 1: get an audience. You have to figure out your bills

693
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Speaker 1: and expenses and your taxes for the things that are

694
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Speaker 1: write offs. How do you manage sort of lindsay the

695
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Speaker 1: reporter writer who just wants to do that, versus understanding

696
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Speaker 1: that lindsay the business person has to show up often

697
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Speaker 1: enough to get that work out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm terrible at it, and when I figured it out,

699
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Speaker 3: I'll let you know. Now, listen, the hardest thing for

700
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Speaker 3: about every single thing about this job is against what's

701
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Speaker 3: natural to me, as far as the amount of self

702
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Speaker 3: promotion is necessary, as far as holding yourself accountable to deadlines,

703
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Speaker 3: as far as you know the business acumen required, and

704
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Speaker 3: just the kind of day to day maintenance it's all

705
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Speaker 3: really difficult, but I think that's ultimately where the beauty

706
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Speaker 3: in life lies, because ultimately I am choosing this, I

707
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Speaker 3: have chosen this path. I do love what I do,

708
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Speaker 3: and there's just a lot of discomfort that comes with

709
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Speaker 3: it on a day to day basis for me, and

710
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Speaker 3: I think when we're younger or any age, really, there

711
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Speaker 3: can be this myth that living the dream involves just

712
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Speaker 3: joy and comfort and ease at all times. And I

713
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Speaker 3: think that I've really come to understand that living the

714
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Speaker 3: dream involves daily discomfort.

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Speaker 1: And you've got to earn the dream.

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Speaker 3: You have to re earn the dream every day, and

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Speaker 3: so I'm learning I've really changed my mindset around that,

718
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Speaker 3: and I'm it's been really helpful, but it's hard. I

719
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Speaker 3: don't want to pretend like it hasn't been incredibly hard

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Speaker 3: for me. No.

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Speaker 1: I think it's good to be honest for people. But

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Speaker 1: I also think I love that last point because sometimes

723
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Speaker 1: the story that we tell ourselves is the one we believe.

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Speaker 1: And you just said that there's so many aspects of

725
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Speaker 1: this are unnatural for you are not a fit. But

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Speaker 1: I would argue that you've created a space where you

727
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Speaker 1: don't have insane deadlines, because the deadline is when you

728
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Speaker 1: want to put something up again. You don't want to

729
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Speaker 1: go too long in between stories. It will affect people's

730
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Speaker 1: interest in it if you do have you know, not

731
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Speaker 1: enough content or whatever. You know, eventually you do have

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Speaker 1: to put work up. But it's not like working for

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Speaker 1: somewhere where it's like a story a day, a story

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Speaker 1: a week, whatever that is. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: ways to also reframe the story for yourself that you've

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Speaker 1: found a way to best use your skills and still

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Speaker 1: have a little nudge every once in a while when

738
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Speaker 1: required to make sure you get it out there.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for life, coach Sarah, I like, well, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I've been working on the stories, and if you

741
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Speaker 1: repeat them long and if you like, really really ingrain them,

742
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Speaker 1: and then one day you might wake up and be like,

743
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Speaker 1: that's not actually true about me at all.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's constant work. And you know, one of

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Speaker 3: the things I love about sports is the way that

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Speaker 3: you see people in really tangible ways working through problems

747
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Speaker 3: on a day and day out basis. And I always

748
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Speaker 3: think it's fascinating that the best athletes in the world,

749
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Speaker 3: the best basketball players in the world, miss free throws

750
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Speaker 3: every day, and they have to go out and practice

751
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Speaker 3: the most basic shot in their sport, a shot that

752
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Speaker 3: you would think is automatic. They still can struggle with that.

753
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: The pressure can still impact that, you know, every single

754
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: part of their jobs they have to continue to work

755
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Speaker 3: at in order to sometimes even stay at a level

756
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Speaker 3: lower than their best. You know, depending on what you are.

757
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Speaker 3: And I think there's so many great lessons. I am

758
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Speaker 3: the farthest thing from an athlete.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like you.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have this college athletics experience, but is someone

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Speaker 3: just trying to get through the day on a day

762
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Speaker 3: to day basis.

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Speaker 1: You can take a lot from it.

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Speaker 3: I take a lot from it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, like, I am very

766
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Speaker 1: grateful for being sort of a year round, lifelong athlete

767
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: through college because in a non maniacal way, I am

768
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Speaker 1: always self assessing and self improving. It's extremely important to

769
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Speaker 1: me because I grew up with this constant daily assessment

770
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Speaker 1: of am I getting better? What do I need to

771
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Speaker 1: work on? And being really open to asking that. And

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Speaker 1: I've often been at jobs and told my bosses like,

773
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Speaker 1: I want more feedback. Can you give me more feedback?

774
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

775
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: And they're like, you're doing great, and I'm like, no,

776
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: what am I doing wrong? What can I get better at?

777
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm constantly wanting to look at that. And I

778
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: think that's a skill from sports that some people don't

779
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: have or they fear that kind of feedback instead of

780
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Speaker 1: like welcoming it and then like being able to put

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Speaker 1: it to you. So I think that's such a great point.

782
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Watching athletes every day, even the very best ones recognize

783
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: that constant cycle of improvement is necessary to evolution, is

784
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Speaker 1: really important. All right, last question. You mentioned that some

785
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Speaker 1: big things are coming up. You've been on like a

786
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Speaker 1: little bit of a heatus over there, So anything you

787
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: could tell us about or are you just going to

788
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: give us the big tease of keep your eyes on

789
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Speaker 1: this site, keep your eyes on this site.

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Speaker 3: I know, I think that I think that, you know,

791
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Speaker 3: there's so many big, big stories we're looking into from

792
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: I think explaining and talking to experts about how this

793
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: House versus NCAA settlement is really going to impact the

794
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Speaker 3: women's sports world and continuing to check in on that

795
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: story to looking at and wrestling with what we want

796
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: from our women's sports teams during this day and the

797
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Speaker 3: Trump administration. I think we were getting very different things

798
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Speaker 3: from women's sports during the first Trump administration, then maybe

799
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Speaker 3: we're getting now. And I am asking myself the question

800
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Speaker 3: of what do what does it that even want from

801
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: my favorite athletes right now? And I don't know, but

802
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: I think it's something that we should all wrestle with

803
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: together and openly. There's a lot of historical uh you know,

804
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: beats coming up. I will be at WNBA All Star,

805
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: so very excited for that.

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Speaker 1: Awesome that.

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Speaker 3: I've got a lot of CBA stuff coming up with

808
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Speaker 3: the w NBA CBA. We're going to do history of

809
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: CBAS and women's sports and kind of look at how

810
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Speaker 3: we got to this current moment in the CBA, because

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Speaker 3: I think it's really easy to shit on the current deal.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, I don't know if I'm allowed to cuss.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome to you.

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Speaker 3: It's really easy. But once again, I think when you

815
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Speaker 3: add context to.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, when I first arrived, it was a big deal.

817
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: They were incredibly proud of just a few years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a big step at the time.

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Speaker 3: And this week we'll be kind of wrestling with pride

820
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Speaker 3: and the kind of the state of LGBTQ issues in sports.

821
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Speaker 3: And I have to give a shout out to another podcast,

822
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: The Recap Show with Kristin Press and Tobin Heath who

823
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: they've had some stuff this month that's really helped me

824
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: reframe how I was thinking of Pride Games and the

825
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: way I was thinking about the role women's sports play

826
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Speaker 3: in our world right now. And that's making me a

827
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: little bit more empathetic to people who are not where

828
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Speaker 3: I am as far as acceptance and education and tolerance.

829
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Speaker 3: And it's made me want to be a little bit

830
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Speaker 3: more open and graceful and content being in the gray area.

831
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Speaker 3: And I like it when I end up in unexpected places.

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Speaker 1: I love that. We'll have to check that out. Thanks

833
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: for the rec and thanks so much for coming on.

834
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Speaker 1: We're looking forward to what's next.

835
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for this. It was I'm such

836
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 3: a fan of the show. I love you, I love

837
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Speaker 3: Misha and Alex. I've known forever, especially Misha when I

838
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 3: know Misha's a baby now, but I knew when it

839
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: was baby, baby, Mesha baby.

840
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Speaker 1: They were even younger at one point than this.

841
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Speaker 3: Listen, listen not too much, not too much, because Lindsay

842
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: knew Lindsay knew me before I knew what the hell

843
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: I was doing.

844
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: So and can they say like they know now?

845
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's so funny. Uh yeah. When they

846
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: were in still in college, we would sit next to

847
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: each other at the Mystics games. So it's been it's

848
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: been a while, but yeah, love what you're doing on the.

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Speaker 1: Next time you're on lots of baby meche stores. Yes,

850
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: that's what we're starting with.

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Speaker 3: Sounds great.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Lindsay for joining us. We got

853
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Speaker 1: to take another break when we come back. He's a Nazi. Dana,

854
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Slices. I got a shout out slice Dana

855
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Speaker 1: Holtzburg for making a ridiculous fake poster after my interview

856
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: with Canadian hockey super call Lauris Stacy and Maury Philip Pulen.

857
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: The poster, which is a nod to the old movie

858
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Hunt for Red October, has my giant red face on

859
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: it and says the hunt for Marcus, The hunt is on.

860
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Speaker 1: She's gay Marcus. It's too much. We'll put a link

861
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: in the show notes so you can see it. Also

862
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: an update Dana and other slices. We did joke in

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Speaker 1: that interview that we haven't heard from Marcus lately, and

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and let Marcus live and die in

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Speaker 1: his little wholesomewhere in hell. We always love that you're listening,

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Speaker 1: day too, So here's our good game play of the day.

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Speaker 1: Follow Lindsay on social media and check out our newsletter

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Speaker 1: five out of five stars a natural review. The WNFC

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Speaker 1: played its title game on Saturday, and if you tuned in,

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Speaker 1: you might have noticed a familiar face. Jennifer King, the

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Speaker 1: interview with members of the winning squad, the Texas Elite

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Speaker 1: Spartans in our show notes. We love seeing folks try

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Speaker 1: kudos to Jennifer for expanding her horizons. Hopefully we see

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