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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. We are going global, folks,

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Speaker 3: we are several of us are recording remotely this evening,

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Speaker 3: and the news has not stopped. In fact, there is

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Speaker 3: so much strange news that I almost wish just restart

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Speaker 3: that Daily show from a while back. We are going

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Speaker 3: to learn about a bizarre and for some people with

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Speaker 3: a brief shout out before we begin to anybody who's

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Speaker 3: heard the story of the off duty pilot up north

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Speaker 3: who had taken some magic mushrooms and attempted to shut

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Speaker 3: down the engines of a plane mid air, please remember

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Speaker 3: that if you become a psychonaut. If you engage in hallucinogens,

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Speaker 3: always have a buddy with you. Practice the buddy system.

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Speaker 3: Don't do anything stupid, and don't put yourself in a

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Speaker 3: situation where you could put other people in danger.

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Speaker 4: Dane.

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Speaker 5: I saw this other drug related story that was just

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Speaker 5: the headline was very misleading. It was like man takes

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Speaker 5: the tale. But it meant like over the course of

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Speaker 4: But it was little misleading.

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Speaker 3: And there's that other guy. We were talking about this

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Speaker 3: briefly off air as a nice segue. There was another

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Speaker 3: quite recently. He came in and he said he was

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Speaker 3: he said, I need all of your viagra And so

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Speaker 3: we're wondering whether he's going to sell them or, as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in Orlando. His name was Thomas Muse.

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Speaker 2: He was twenty three years.

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Speaker 3: Old, and there's a great article for that. I saw

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Speaker 3: it on Wiowen News, So shout up to the editor there,

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Speaker 3: Trisha Theck you can learn more about him. It's just

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Speaker 3: you know that kind of news where you have viagra

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Speaker 2: Yes, and today's story is coming to us from various sources.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually reading from Dailymail, dot co dot UK, which

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Speaker 2: is not always my favorite place to get a story.

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Speaker 2: But seeing as most of this similar information is included

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Speaker 2: America's pharmacy deserts, write AID, CVS and Walgreens will shut

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Speaker 2: Like when you hear that. First of all, these are

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Speaker 2: out how do we compare and equate pharmacies as a

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Are those the same thing? Are you? How are they related?

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Speaker 2: And is it just drugs at a pharmacy nowadays or

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Speaker 5: Sometimes they have those like blood pressure cuff machines, and

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely a pharmacist also is there to help you

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Speaker 2: It is a part of healthcare. It's not just a

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Speaker 2: And often there's a pharmacy within a place that you'd

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Speaker 2: so it means it's kind of an important established place

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Speaker 2: Do you guys go to your pharmacies at all?

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Speaker 5: I mean I live in an area that could you know,

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Speaker 5: While, and then you know, lugging all those groceries back

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Speaker 4: So the Walgreens is the.

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Speaker 5: Closest walkable place that I can go to get some

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, one of the primary reasons that that

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Speaker 3: So one could also say it is similar to the

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Speaker 3: the people when you travel to other countries that have

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Speaker 3: just like you go to a gas station in another

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Speaker 3: And they've got a guaranteed audience in this States because

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Speaker 3: sixty six percent of all adults in the US currently

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Speaker 5: Oh and surely in those other countries you're talking about,

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Speaker 5: them to exist in that more bare bones form. But

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Speaker 5: I mean bare bones, you know, in the good way.

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Speaker 5: They've got all the medicine you need, but they don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have to sell that stuff at a

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Speaker 2: Even if a company is making profits, if those profits

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Speaker 2: thing works. So jumping back to Daily Mail, the story

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Speaker 2: was written October twenty third by Rachel Bowman and here

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: AID said it will close one hundred and fifty of

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Speaker 2: By the way, they're dealing with lawsuits that are tied

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Speaker 2: I wasn't just the manufacturers making the opioids. It was

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Speaker 5: We were just following orders, literally filling orders.

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Speaker 2: Well, everybody's making money, hands over feet when there's a

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, all the problems are accelerated because of the aging

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Speaker 2: acceleration that's occurring. Right. We talked about the problems with accessibility,

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Speaker 2: That is ten percent of all their shops. And oh

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Speaker 2: what was the other one, guys, Walgreen is going to

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Speaker 3: Is part of this due to online pharmacies.

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Speaker 5: Returned with another piece of strange news. This one's more

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Speaker 3: very very dangerous, and I don't think we know a

438
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Speaker 3: bunch about their frequency really well.

439
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Speaker 5: Well, scientists refer to gamma ray bursts and their effects

440
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 5: on the ozone layer as being more than fifty gazillion

441
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 5: trillion hairspray cans. I'm just joking, that's not true. I

442
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 5: don't even know if that's a real number. I'm sure

443
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 5: it is, But this guy live on the head of

444
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 5: the study. I'm just gonna read this quote and then

445
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 5: we can we can wreck this one up. This has

446
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 5: been a fast moving, sometimes challenging, and also utterly fantastic

447
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 5: experience to work on. It has been a little like

448
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 5: a cosmic murder mystery who done it? Of what caused

449
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 5: this gamma ray burst. It has taken a lot of

450
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 5: piecing together by an amazing group of people working on

451
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 5: the various bits of data, and of course on building

452
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 5: models that can explain it. Although it was very bright,

453
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 5: it hasn't been a simple thing to understand. For example,

454
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 5: it took us a day and a half to really

455
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 5: locate where the burst was in the sky, another few

456
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 5: days to see a color change that told us it

457
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 5: was probably a Kilan nova, and then we had to

458
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 5: wait for it to move into the bit of the

459
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 5: sky where jwst could actually see it. In the end,

460
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 5: it all came together, but there was a lot of

461
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 5: work and a bit of luck in that happening. To

462
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 5: give a bit of a handle in the discussion and

463
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 5: the collaboration, we have a dedicated slack channel and from

464
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 5: the first object, good to know that these slack over

465
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 5: there too. And from the observations to the paper submission

466
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 5: roughly three months later, there were about nine thousand messages

467
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Speaker 5: on it.

468
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Speaker 4: The most.

469
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Speaker 5: You know, I've been hitting at this, but I just

470
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 5: want to list it and then we can move on

471
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 5: the kinds of elements that are produced by a thing

472
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Speaker 5: like this, And Ben, you got it right. I mean,

473
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Speaker 5: I think I jokingly sad a big bang type event.

474
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 5: There are probably several of these. You know, this big

475
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 5: bang created these elements and this one created I mean,

476
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 5: it's sort of like a reductive thing.

477
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 4: I think it's to think of one big bang creating

478
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Speaker 4: all life in one go.

479
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 5: It's usually a team effort. But when stars die, they

480
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 5: shoot out materials like carbon, phosphorus or oxygen.

481
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: And what remnants of dead.

482
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: Stars like supernovas do when they collide and Kilanov events,

483
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 5: they make their own particular kind of offering of these

484
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: elemental materials, things like like I said at the top, gold, platinum,

485
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 5: and uranium, and then the article of finishes. In this way,

486
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 5: the materials that make up stars, planets, and all life

487
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 5: on Earth is primarily made of the remains of our

488
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 5: ancient stellar elders in one way or another.

489
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Speaker 3: Wow beautiful, there's a poetry to that. It really is.

490
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just I don't know, like this zone's

491
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 5: a little science y y and see, but I think

492
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 5: this is the kind of stuff that we imagine a lot.

493
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: And it's so cool.

494
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 5: They know that we have people that are way smarter

495
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 5: than us that are out there putting some real bones around,

496
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: you know, things that have only ever been able to

497
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 5: be described in kind of more fantastical ways or in

498
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 5: science fiction or even in like certain religious beliefs.

499
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 4: I mean, this is like the stuff of gods. It's

500
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 4: very fascinating to me.

501
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't be so hard on yourself look on

502
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: like for instance, you know, they put the time in

503
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: the studying, right, and they're very smart. And if you

504
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 3: if if you were working on James Webb Space telescope

505
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: for the for the length of time that we've been podcasting,

506
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: you'd be you'd be in articles like this.

507
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: Man back to.

508
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: Solid b in physical science, you know, I did, okay,

509
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, Matt, did you have any anything else to

510
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 5: add in addition to it to what Ben said.

511
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Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating that JWST can even make some

512
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: or I guess they made a calculation after they measured

513
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: how bright the model, probably like millions of times brighter

514
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: than all of the stars.

515
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 5: Those nine thousand slack messages it took them to get

516
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 5: to that number.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but that's just unfathomable to me, just that

518
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: it needs that something could be that bright, right.

519
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 5: We can't even look at our little sun without going blind,

520
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, and that thing's far enough super

521
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: you know, it's it is unfathomable.

522
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: That is exactly the right word for it.

523
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: Oh and we've got a we've got an old series

524
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: on YouTube about the construction of the James Webb Space

525
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: telescope from house Stuff works. Very very fortunate to travel

526
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: up there with Holly Fry from Stuff you missed in

527
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 3: history class, who is a fellow fan of astronautics and

528
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: space exploration. So you can see, you can see some

529
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: talks that we have about the construction of the thing

530
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: and some of the explanations we receive that very very

531
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: well done, very lucid explanations from incredibly brilliant people like

532
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Speaker 3: doctor Mather I believe a descendant of the New England Mathers. Yeah,

533
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: he's able. He's way more chill than Cotton countries. He

534
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: is able to explain. It's the mark of something that

535
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: I think we all agree is the is the true

536
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: indicator of this kind of brilliance. You can take these

537
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: incredibly complex ideas and break them down through analogy into clear,

538
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: understandable explanations. So if you want to learn more about

539
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: the James Web space to Les's scope, check that out.

540
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: That thing makes I was gonna say it makes the

541
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: Hubble look like trash, but I shouldn't. The Hubble's amazing too.

542
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: It's just the James Web is like the PS five

543
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: to the Hubbles PS one.

544
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, as long as it's not an Xbox because

545
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: my feeling.

546
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, the last I'm just gonna wrap this up

547
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 5: with one final quote from from Levon or Levin. He says, ultimately,

548
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: we would like to dissect the Kilino vi plural and

549
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 5: enough detail to pick apart all the different elements that

550
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: form there and know how much of each element there is.

551
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: If we can do this, we can test if they

552
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 5: make some, most, or all of the heavy elements we

553
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: see around us, and we will finally be able to

554
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 5: say where every element in the periodic table is made. Cool,

555
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 5: so that let's take a quick break, hear a word

556
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557
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558
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Speaker 3: And we have returned, by way of segue from the

559
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Speaker 3: cosmic to the earthly. The estimated cost of the James

560
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: Web Space telescope, I think was ballpark ten billion, ten

561
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: billion dollars, right, So how much would that be if

562
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: you paid it in dimes? The that's the question I'm

563
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: not quite mathing. Of course, they're like ten dives to

564
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: a dollar. A hundred billion dollars is a trillion dimes,

565
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: So anyway, it's a lot of dimes. And I don't

566
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: know about most people, especially in the States, but I

567
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: think a lot of US, at least in my experience,

568
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: are increasingly increasingly consider denominations of coins somewhat irrelevant, you know,

569
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: like a nickel doesn't buy anything. The US government actually

570
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: loses money printing pennies, and previous episodes, we agreed that

571
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: they should all follow the lead of Canada and abolish

572
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: the pinny. But when's the last time you guys used

573
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: a dime and a transaction?

574
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 4: I can't even recall, not possible.

575
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 5: They're probably all stuck to the bottom of my cup

576
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: holder in my Honda Fit.

577
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: I was at the coming fair recently with my son,

578
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: and we bought something with five dollars, and then I

579
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: had a little bit of change left over, and then

580
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: I paid for something at another stall, and I actually

581
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: used a dime, a nickel and a quarter.

582
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: The system works.

583
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but that's the only time I think I've

584
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 2: done that in years years.

585
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

586
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: And part of that, of course, is just the rising

587
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: cost of living. Part of that is the fact that

588
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: more and more people, especially post COVID well we're not

589
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: really post COVID, but especially after the first two years

590
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: of the pandemic, people increasingly used cash list transactions and

591
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: money soon will be less and less of a physical

592
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: artifact and more and more of a digital thing, which

593
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: makes it an idea, which makes it ephemeral and coined

594
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: to manipulate. No, what's that?

595
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: It's gone, man, It's going to be the way that

596
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 5: the future broke digital currency.

597
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Nice so here it's going to be the new laser disc.

598
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: So the story stood out. I thought this would just

599
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: be a fun one to explore together because it involves

600
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: a heist, and who doesn't love a good heist? I

601
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: mean law enforcement obviously, but other than law enforcement, who

602
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: doesn't love a good heist?

603
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: People who own things, right, not the love it spectators

604
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: love it.

605
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: Heisted not so much.

606
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's a statute of limitations to how

607
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: far after the Great Train Robbery could people call it

608
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: the Great train Robbery? At first? At first it was

609
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 3: just a terrible thing. So let's go to the New

610
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: York Times, a great article by Mike Ives, and there

611
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: were four men who were in a high screw and

612
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: these bright light bulbs got together and stole two million

613
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: dimes from the truck. Now, first question, why why steal dimes?

614
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: That feels like it feels like a perfect setup for

615
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: the low key or the low life kind of crimes

616
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: that we always talk about, like what's the best one?

617
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: Stamp fraud?

618
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: Why would you?

619
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

620
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: Theft?

621
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah right, that's thirty three nickels a piece? Boys?

622
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: But is the thought that nobody's checking serial numbers on

623
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: these dimes anymore?

624
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 3: Right?

625
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: Where I get that job? That sounds like fun? You

626
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: gotta yea the fine glass you're there? Like writing in

627
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 4: the ledger.

628
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: That probably is a great icebreaker for a first date

629
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Speaker 3: or something, you know what I mean, I'm sorting. I'm

630
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: sort of the king of dimes, you know. But so

631
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: there are immediate questions. The first one, why would somebody

632
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: bother with this heist in a world where a physical

633
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: dime is less and less important? Are they going to

634
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: melt them down for their components? Probably not, that's unprofitable.

635
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: It turns out, here's here's what we think happened. They

636
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: probably didn't know exactly what was in the truck. We'll

637
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: give you the We'll give you the timeline to set

638
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: this up. In April of this year, a truck driver

639
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: was leaving the US Mint in Philadelphia with just beat

640
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 3: me here, doc a ton of dimes, like an entire

641
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: semi truck full of dimes. And the driver was going

642
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: to Miami. If you are a long haul driver, and

643
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: we've got a lot of fellow conspiracy realists in the

644
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: crowd tonight, who are you know that driving from Philly

645
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: to Miami means you're going to stop somewhere along the way, hopefully.

646
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: And so this driver is doing everything by the book,

647
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: pulls into a parking lot to sleep on the evening

648
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: April thirteenth, and during the night, four guys in this

649
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: high stcrew that have been working for a while, and

650
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: we'll get to them, they made off with about a

651
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: third of the dimes. They popped the top or popped

652
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: the back of the truck and they just started taking

653
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: all the dimes they could. Altogether, we're talking about seven

654
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of dimes that weighs

655
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: about six tons. If you were ever in a very weird.

656
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Speaker 5: Time to say, you could get killed by that, just

657
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Speaker 5: like they unload barry. First of all, it would make

658
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 5: an amazing sound as if crushed your bones.

659
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: Good lord, I.

660
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Don't want to jump too far ahead, ban but like

661
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: were these these things were just loose dimes, right, These

662
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: are in some kind of big containers or something. So

663
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: do they even know their dimes exactly?

664
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: They did? They knew there was a truck that was vulnerable.

665
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: This was this was kind of like a This crew

666
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: seemed to be really into mystery boxes and.

667
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: Surprise, disappointing hall Ever, and.

668
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: Weirdly enough, I don't know if we want to call

669
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: them pros, though I do think they made the bulk

670
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: of their income off off heisting. They had previously stolen

671
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 3: from a bunch of tractor trailers. They'd open it one

672
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: time and it's a bunch of crab legs and they're like,

673
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: we're crab men now. And then they would take shrimp, meat, beer,

674
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: they got liquor, which has a huge profit margin, right,

675
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: And they quickly realized that they could not make off

676
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: with all the dimes. They could only get some of

677
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: the dimes. So they got about third of them, and

678
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: that that averages out to total two hundred and thirty

679
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: four thousand, five hundred dollars all in dimes.

680
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: Good haul, But how are you going to fence that?

681
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 5: My guy?

682
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here, guys, there are four dudes from Philly

683
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 3: and no offense to our good friends in Philadelphia, Philip

684
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: conspiracy realists. But you know they're very Philadelphia dudes. And

685
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: there's a guy we'll name them. There's Rakim Savage, Ronald Byrd,

686
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: Heneith Palmer, and Malik Palmer and right now they've been

687
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: The reason the story is in the news is because

688
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 3: first off, it's ridiculous to steal that many dimes.

689
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

690
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 3: Secondly, they're they've gone to court. They're facing charges of robbery,

691
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: theft of government money, and conspiracy. This is a this

692
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: is a sad thing to get a felony for, and

693
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: they they probably are going to end up in a

694
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: prisoner's dilemma situation, splitting against each other to get a

695
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: better deal dropping a dime, dropping a dime, dropping a dime.

696
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: And the hall that they took out of that six tons,

697
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: it weighed over eleven thousand pounds, which is about as

698
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 3: much as too empty shipping containers that you see on

699
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: a on a rail line. And the next day, here's

700
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 3: how people first found out about the crime. Like before

701
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: the driver wakes up the next day, there are thousands

702
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: of dimes scattered across the ground in the Walmart parking

703
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: lot where this guy went to sleep.

704
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 5: It's like people just picking up fistfuls of them, you know,

705
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: in the which.

706
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: I feel bad saying it because who doesn't love free money?

707
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't touch it.

708
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: I don't like to have you ever tried to pick

709
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 5: up a dime. It's hard enough to pick up a penny.

710
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 5: It's like to get you gotta have nails to even

711
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 5: get that thing up off the ground.

712
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: I think most people don't pick up pennies anymore. I'm

713
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you, because pennies are so dirty.

714
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, they're so dirty covered in that's part of

715
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: the printing process. Actually, So they've got a they've got

716
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: a reputation at the mint. Uh, we say with great affection,

717
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: because there is there is a franchise of the Federal

718
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: Mint in Atlanta, Georgia. You can still get a tour

719
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: if you go in advance. They have heard all your

720
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: jokes about free samples, so just don't do it. Don't

721
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: ruin their afternoon again. So these guys were also despite

722
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: the fact that they had committed several very successful heists,

723
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: they were all.

724
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 4: Again free samples. That's fine, that's clever.

725
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: No, I guess not not to them, not anymore.

726
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 4: The first to me, I thought it was.

727
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: Oh they do I know the one in DC. At

728
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: least they would give you for a time, I think

729
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: it was DC. They would give you samples, free samples.

730
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: But they were like bags of the destroyed paper currency

731
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: that have been run through a super high end shredder.

732
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: There you go, use it to pack your nick knacks

733
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: when you move.

734
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like one dollar bills shredded up. So

735
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: it just it doesn't spoiler's a.

736
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: Time putting them back together. It could be done. It

737
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: could with enough moxie.

738
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: It would obviously look Frankenstein, you know what I mean,

739
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: just finding the serial number for one alone. Anyway, these guys,

740
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 3: unfortunately for them, they weren't super buttoned up. They had

741
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: shared links with each other to things like money weight calculator.

742
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: And then they started trying to cash in the dimes

743
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: at different banks, thousands of dollars worth of dimes, one

744
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: in some in Pennsylvania, some in coinstar machines in Baltimore

745
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: areas supermarkets. Have you guys ever used Coinstar?

746
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 5: I think absolutely, And you know what happens a lot

747
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 5: of the time. The dimes, since they're small and sort

748
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 5: of like the smallest of coin. They'll often get rejected

749
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 5: and like like sent back because if they're like edge,

750
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 5: they got a little bit of a rough edge or something.

751
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: I found more often than not, I think I'm past

752
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 5: my coinstar days.

753
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: But there was a time when.

754
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 5: I would just rely on you know, okay, it's time

755
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: to go coinstar diving, and I would find that a

756
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: lot of times you'd get these rough looking dimes in

757
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 5: the rejected shoot.

758
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also a fun place to find foreign currency too,

759
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: from the coinstar days. But but coinstart, Look, if you're

760
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: considering getting into the dime thievery business, first, just so

761
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: you know you're better than that. We know, the three

762
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: of us know you have so much more potential. You

763
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 3: can still so much more successful things. But that's probably

764
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: that's probably not the best way to end that one.

765
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 4: But is this a victimless crime? Though, Ben? Is this

766
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 4: a victimless crime?

767
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: I would I would argue it depends on the truck driver. Right,

768
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: as far as we know it was, it was more

769
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: like burglary than robbery. The guy's life wasn't threatened. But

770
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: you could say, I don't know, you could say it's

771
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: a victimless crime, right, because the United States Federal ment

772
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: Is is a big corporation essentially.

773
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just watched Heat.

774
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 5: Is why I ask because, like you know, in Heat,

775
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 5: when they rob the bank, they say your money is safe.

776
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen like this does not affect you. The

777
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: government as your money insurance. So just don't do anything stupid.

778
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: You are not going to be affected by this.

779
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is you know, the Heat gang has really

780
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 3: good people's skills as well. I always like that about them.

781
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: But here's the other issue. If you are in a

782
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: situation like that, what you need to realize is that

783
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: coinstar is a terrible fence. Coinstar takes a pretty big

784
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: percentage of the coins you put in. I think it's

785
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: what like twelve percent something like that.

786
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: It's a convenience fee there, I mean, because I think

787
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 5: technically you could take all this stuff to the bank

788
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 5: and have it rolled. Yeah, but I mean no, I

789
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 5: just who wants to inconvenience a human like that? I

790
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 5: would just rather pay the vague and have a machine

791
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 5: do a half assed job for me, you know.

792
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

793
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also you if you go to a bank,

794
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: any financial institution, then you have to here's why they

795
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 3: didn't just go to one place and say, we've got

796
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: all of the dimes, right, like that guy was asking

797
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: for all of the viagra. If you if you cash

798
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: that out over a certain amounts, you're going to trip

799
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: some regulations and your stuff will be reported. So they

800
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: were smart and that they were trying to distribute this,

801
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 3: but they were also, I guess, increasingly desperate because banks

802
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: communicate with each other and only it's relatively rare for

803
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: someone to have that many dimes, and it's even more

804
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: extraordinary for multiple people in relatively close areas to have

805
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: that many. So the largest receipt, this is how the

806
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: New York Times article concludes, But the largest receipt that

807
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: the court knows about is for nine hundred and four dimes,

808
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: which equaled nine hundred and ninety dollars and forty four

809
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: cents because they threw in four pennies. So on the

810
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: way to the bank, they must have passed four pennies

811
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: and picked them up.

812
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that was an accident. They didn't just

813
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: end up in there somehow.

814
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: Come on, I don't know, maybe that's like the guy's

815
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: lucky lottery numbers or something. I'm not sure, but I

816
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: have to also ask how often these kind of tractor

817
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: trailer robberies occur If you know somebody who works in shipping,

818
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: or if you yourself or a trucker, then, without sounding cynical,

819
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: I think it's highly likely that you know someone who

820
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: makes money off stuff that falls off the back. You

821
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, how often do you guys

822
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: think tractor trailers get heisted?

823
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 2: It's got to be pretty often, right, I remember hearing

824
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: stories about that, I won't say where from some people

825
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: I know about large numbers of things that would show

826
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: up at a location that all fell off the truck

827
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: and basically all of the family and friends and everybody

828
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: had these new things because they all fell off the truck.

829
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: I've heard that before.

830
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, shrinkage mm hmmm. Yeah. And then you know,

831
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: you think about I remember, Matt, we were reading for

832
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: an unrelated thing long ago about cargo shipping and just

833
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: how many in inclement weather, just how many cargo ships

834
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: will lose entire containers, right, And sometimes it's crab legs.

835
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's you know, rubber ducks, which that's a true

836
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: story that helped oceanographers immensely well.

837
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: And sometimes they literally fly off the side of ships, right,

838
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: which was the craziest thing to learn.

839
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it's an accepted part of the business.

840
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: With that, I think there is a good story in

841
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: here for a future episode about about hidden heist and

842
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: just how often they may occur. So we'd love some

843
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: help from you, fellow conspiracy realists and the shipping, logistics,

844
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: transit and trucking industries. Let us know the stuff those

845
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: shipping companies don't want you to know, especially about crime.

846
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: Lot lizard stories are fine too, but we want to

847
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: focus on the heist primarily. Thank you, as always so

848
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,960
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849
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,680
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850
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,279
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851
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,359
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852
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,480
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855
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856
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:37,920
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857
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,440
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858
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,920
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859
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,319
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862
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,480
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863
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: ideas too, like stories about what we cover in Strange News,

864
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: but also like nominations for Hey, you should cover this.

865
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you, Brock. You're always sending us things through.

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Speaker 4: Rock Best Monster.

867
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: Yes, Rock's great, Brock. We're not psychic. Those those undersea

868
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: cables are just super juicy targets.

869
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: Exactly, but it's exactly what I was thinking about. But hey,

870
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,680
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871
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,960
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