WEBVTT - Selects: Sammy Davis Jr: National Treasure

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, it's me Josham for this week's s YSK Select.

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<v Speaker 1>I've chosen our February twenty twenty episode on Sammy Davis Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm not mistaken, this is where I, you, and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world finds out that Chuck does

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<v Speaker 1>a killer Sammy Davis Junior impression, thus booing the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for years to come. I don't think anything else is

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be said about this one. Just enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and there's guest producer Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in again like a great.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, like a cooled cat baby. I thought you were

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<v Speaker 3>doing evil German doctor for a second and then I

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<v Speaker 3>figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>No man, wait, I haven't said it yet. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is Stuff you should Know. Okay, that was a good

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<v Speaker 1>one that no Man was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how Sammy Davis Junior always said cat and baby.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just he was such a cool dude.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, do Sammy Davis Junior saying we have ways

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<v Speaker 1>of making you talk.

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<v Speaker 2>What sounds German about any of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just do it. Please please, we have ways of

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<v Speaker 3>making you talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>That was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a little soft shoe.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great stuff, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, Billy Crystal used to do Sammy Davis

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<v Speaker 2>Junior way back in the eighties when blackface was super

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<v Speaker 2>cool to do and not controversial.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he do blackface Sammy Davis Junior?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, dude, he did blackface Sammy Davis Junior eight years

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<v Speaker 2>ago at the Oscars. What. Yes, you don't remember that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the last time he hosted the Oscars. Age In

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, he they did, you know, a remote intro

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<v Speaker 2>thing where he was doing different things and the last

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<v Speaker 2>bit was him and blackface again and people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, this was in you know, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was Twitter and that was Facebook and this

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<v Speaker 2>social media and people were like, that wasn't cool in

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties and I can't believe he's doing that now

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<v Speaker 2>for real. Sammy Davis Junior's daughter came out and said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, if there's one thing I know is

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<v Speaker 2>that my dad is looking down and laughing and smiling

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<v Speaker 2>at Billy Crystal doing this. He was he was roasted

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<v Speaker 2>pretty heavily for it, rightfully so, and he is he

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't been around a lot, but he wasn't a real

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<v Speaker 2>up before then.

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<v Speaker 3>He you know, do you think like that? Did it?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that was the demise kid?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess get helped.

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<v Speaker 3>I was, Yeah, I haven't seen him in a while either. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>How did somebody not step back and be like, okay, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to do blackface?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Like, how did no one on the production

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<v Speaker 2>crew of the Oscars say not a good idea?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Well he did.

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<v Speaker 1>So I came across something that I thought was pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a nineteen eighty five interview with David Letterman

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<v Speaker 1>and Sammy Davis Junior says in this interview he did blackface.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently his skin was lighter when he was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wanted him because he used to tour with

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<v Speaker 1>his uncle and his dad, as we'll see, and to

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<v Speaker 1>get around labor laws, they would pass him off as

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<v Speaker 1>a midget.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and to do that there was right, Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>They gave him a candy cigar and put him in

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<v Speaker 1>blackface and told anyone who would listened that he was

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<v Speaker 1>a little person. Although again, they didn't say a little person.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, this is a really controversial episode right out of

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<v Speaker 1>the gate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a lot of sort of I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>was a complicated guy who was you know, his father

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<v Speaker 2>was black, his mother was Puerto Rican. He eventually would

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<v Speaker 2>endorse two presidents, both Kennedy and Nixon. He served in

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<v Speaker 2>the army. He was a rat packer. He was shunned

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<v Speaker 2>by racist and also shunned sometimes within his own black community.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like a little pinball getting bounced around.

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<v Speaker 2>And little is right. He was also a little guy

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<v Speaker 2>who always, I think had a complex about his height,

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<v Speaker 2>about his looks. He had this weird sort of underbite

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<v Speaker 2>jaw that would jut out to one side when he talked.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a really fascinating guy that was super super talented

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<v Speaker 2>and had his little tiny fingers and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>pies from you know, singing and dancing and performing live

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<v Speaker 2>and in movies on TV, and just really really fascinating guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you look back at the rat Pack, he

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<v Speaker 1>was the one that brought the actual talent to the

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<v Speaker 1>rat Pack.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Sinatra could say, Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>Could sing everyone and the rat Pack was talented, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But he was multi talented, like dancing, doing impressions.

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<v Speaker 3>He had like a little gunslinger routine too.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see any of that?

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<v Speaker 3>I did?

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<v Speaker 2>He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched a PBS documentary for their series American Masters

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<v Speaker 1>on him, and it was like an hour almost two

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<v Speaker 1>hours long, and it was really in depth and really good.

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<v Speaker 1>But they had some amazing footage of him just doing

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of different stuff. So I guess, let me

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<v Speaker 1>revise that. Yes, the rat pack was talented. Sammy Davis

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<v Speaker 1>Junior was more talented than all of them put together.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, so he made Did you see any

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<v Speaker 2>of that documentary of the USO.

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<v Speaker 3>Tour There were a few clips in there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So if you want to see a different So

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<v Speaker 2>if you think Sammy Davis Junior as just the candy

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<v Speaker 2>man or mister bo Jangles babe.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, watching him do mister bo Jangles, that's growing how

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<v Speaker 1>he felt about that song. It's very heartbreaking, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you see this documentary. In nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>he did a USO tour of Vietnam where he performed

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<v Speaker 2>at drug rehab camps and some other you know, forward bases.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at this man, this is like is

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<v Speaker 2>swinging seventies kind of rock and roll as it gets

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<v Speaker 2>really really cool stuff. He was a bad a performer.

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<v Speaker 2>He was at places like some of them were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of full on productions where they were capable of pulling

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<v Speaker 2>that off. Other times, there's this great footage of him

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<v Speaker 2>where they could had nothing but a microphone and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, all right, give me the mic and I

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<v Speaker 2>will like basically kind of do my own beat box

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<v Speaker 2>seed rhythm section and sing and dance. And the soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>are just loving it, man, they're eating it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is nineteen seventy two, believe, and like, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean like his like he was a world famous star

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<v Speaker 1>by them, but also he was an older dude, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like he'd really had his heyday in the late fifties

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<v Speaker 1>and throughout the sixties, and this is seventy two and

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<v Speaker 1>he's out there in Vietnam belting out motown hits and

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<v Speaker 1>drumming on the mic stand.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I didn't see all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it, but yeah, you can tell, like it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. Yeah, he's even more of a talented performer

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<v Speaker 1>than people realize, because you know, you do think he

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<v Speaker 1>as doing like standards and show tunes and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did mostly do those things, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>talented in all sorts of different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Grabster helped us out with this one. And

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<v Speaker 2>he said that there were a few defining sort of

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<v Speaker 2>things about Sammy Davis Junior's life that inform who he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>One was that he came from poverty. He performed with

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<v Speaker 2>his like he said, his uncle which was not his

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<v Speaker 2>real uncle, but his dad, and his uncle Will Meston

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<v Speaker 2>as the was it the Maston.

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<v Speaker 3>Trio, Will Maston trio, right, And they.

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<v Speaker 2>Came from nothing, and he did not have any money.

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<v Speaker 2>And he talked later in life about the thrill of

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<v Speaker 2>leaving a waitress one hundred dollars tip and walking around

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<v Speaker 2>with one thousand dollars in your pocket. He said the

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<v Speaker 2>later on in life. Yeah, he's like, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>year's salary. And he was like, no one understands that

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<v Speaker 2>unless you've been at the bottom, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was definitely at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>And they, he and his father and his uncle Will

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<v Speaker 1>worked their way up, you know, all through they started

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<v Speaker 1>all throughout the Depression on the Chitlin circuit doing vaudeville.

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't go to school, once, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>really important to understand. He spent his entire life in

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<v Speaker 1>show business and the earliest years constantly on the road

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<v Speaker 1>with his uncle.

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<v Speaker 3>And his dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's the second point. Never went to school

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<v Speaker 2>at all, did not learn to read and write until

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<v Speaker 2>he was in the army, and always apparently had trouble writing,

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<v Speaker 2>and he always looked at it as he was always,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of ashamed of it. He was proud

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<v Speaker 2>of who he became, but always was ashamed of his

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<v Speaker 2>lack of formal schooling. And he called his what he

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<v Speaker 2>had was the facade of intelligence, which Ed rightfully points

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<v Speaker 2>out as just bunk, because there are many kinds of intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a very intelligent guy, right, He just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have formal schooling. But he was very self conscious of

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<v Speaker 2>this and about representing the black community. So like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever mispronounced something because he didn't know, it would

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<v Speaker 2>make him feel really bad because he thought that that

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<v Speaker 2>represented black people as a whole. So that's number two.

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<v Speaker 2>And the third thing is that early on his family,

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<v Speaker 2>his dad and his uncle really kind of shielded him

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<v Speaker 2>from racial prejudice. He certainly encountered it on the Chitlin

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<v Speaker 2>circuit but he didn't really get the full deal until

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<v Speaker 2>he into the army, and it was a big shock.

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<v Speaker 3>To him, right he.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this kind of explains that he approached racism

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<v Speaker 1>differently than some of his contemporaries, especially when he got

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<v Speaker 1>to the army and was confronted with the full brunt

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and that that kind of informed how he

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<v Speaker 1>viewed race and racial discrimination in the the dynamic between

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<v Speaker 1>the races in the United States in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>last century, because he hadn't really seen it firsthand or

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<v Speaker 1>experienced at firsthand.

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<v Speaker 3>He hadn't been in.

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<v Speaker 1>School and so other little white kids hadn't bullied him,

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<v Speaker 1>or he hadn't been around town and just lived in

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<v Speaker 1>a set space where most kids were introduced to racism firsthand.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't get that until he was eighteen, and so

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<v Speaker 1>by the time he was eighteen, he was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't right.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you what do you? Who do you think

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<v Speaker 3>you are?

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<v Speaker 1>And so when he got to the army and was

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<v Speaker 1>confronted with it full on, he he approached it differently,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas other some of his contemporaries in the army who

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<v Speaker 1>were black, just kind of kept their head down and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, tried to go along and get along.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>He would he would fight back, he would not he

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<v Speaker 1>would not back down, he would not step down. And

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<v Speaker 1>he spent a lot of time in the army physically

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<v Speaker 1>fighting white racists who were trying to make things hard

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<v Speaker 1>for him. And apparently at some point he fought one.

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<v Speaker 1>He fought one guy in one he beat up some

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<v Speaker 1>white guy who had done something racist to him. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what it was. And then after the fight,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy beaten said, you know, you may have beaten me,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're still black. And apparently this guy does Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Junior in such a way that it just transformed

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<v Speaker 1>his approach that he realized, like he could fight white

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<v Speaker 1>boys his whole life, yeah, and probably win some of

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<v Speaker 1>the fights, probably get beat up a lot of the fights.

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<v Speaker 1>He had his nose broken at least twice, but that

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't going to get him anywhere. And so he

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<v Speaker 1>decided that in there that what he could do is

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<v Speaker 1>fight prejudice through his performing. He would be such a

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<v Speaker 1>good performer, he would transcend race at least while he

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<v Speaker 1>was performing. Yeah, And he managed to do that, or

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<v Speaker 1>as much as anybody ever has in the history in

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<v Speaker 1>modern history, at least in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So he's discharged in the army in nineteen forty five,

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<v Speaker 2>goes right back to the Maston Trio and touring with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was sort of even though he was just

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<v Speaker 2>the little kid growing up in that trio, he was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the star still.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, little Sammy.

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<v Speaker 2>Little Sammy, like little Stevie Wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he actually chuck. He won his first contest at

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<v Speaker 1>age three, Yeah, at like an amateur hour or amateur night,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's saying, I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal.

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<v Speaker 3>You that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>He knocked the house down at age three, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the formal start to his show business.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He won ten bucks, Yeah, about one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>bucks today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which for him, I mean, that's a lot of dope, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>for a very very poor kid. So he gets out

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<v Speaker 2>of the army, goes back to the Maston Trio. And

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of corresponded with the same timeline as when

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas started to become a big deal and a big

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment center, and they played Vegas a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we should point out too, on the Chitlin circuit,

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<v Speaker 2>they were never making much money. No, it's a grueling thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And they did get paid, but it's not like they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting rich out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you'd have to be a vaudeville superstar to

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<v Speaker 1>make a lot of money. And this is also during

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<v Speaker 1>the depression largely too, so people didn't make money in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But doing three, four or five shows a day

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<v Speaker 2>on that circuit, yah, but goes to Vegas, starts performing

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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas, starts doing impressions, which he did throughout his career,

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<v Speaker 2>was very good at them, and audiences ate it up.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Frank Sinatra, the chairman of the board as

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<v Speaker 2>they say, gave him a call or gave their people

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<v Speaker 2>called and said, hey, I want this guy opening up

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<v Speaker 2>for me in Vegas. This trio opening up. Took him

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<v Speaker 2>under his wing.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very big deal. Said, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>do these great impressions, you do me, it's hysterical. You're

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<v Speaker 2>so talented. Open for me in Vegas. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>where he said, you know, in Vegas for twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>twice a night, our skin had no color. But the

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<v Speaker 2>second they got finished, he said, other acts to go

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<v Speaker 2>out and gamble and socialize, have a drink, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>we had to go through the kitchen with the garbage,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when it would all sort of hit home

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<v Speaker 2>once again.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to stay in like an entirely different part

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<v Speaker 1>of Vegas that, from the looks of it, almost didn't

0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:49.160
<v Speaker 1>have electricity, Dusty roads. Yeah, that's where they had to stay.

0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.840
<v Speaker 1>They were beloved performers, but that's where they had to

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<v Speaker 1>go stay after the show. And I saw that even

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<v Speaker 1>after he was a member of the rat Pack a superstar,

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<v Speaker 1>he had used the pool at the Sands and guests

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifties complained enough that the Sands agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>drain the pool and refill it because Sammy Davis Junior

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<v Speaker 1>had been using the pool and this is after he

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<v Speaker 1>was a star already. That's how vile the segregation was,

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<v Speaker 1>even in a place like Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's take a break and we'll come back

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<v Speaker 2>and talk more about the candy Man. Right after this,

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<v Speaker 2>Softly Jaws.

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<v Speaker 3>Stoff.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sammy Davis Junior wrote a bunch of memoirs and

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<v Speaker 2>autobiographies over the years, and one of them is a

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<v Speaker 2>very great spinal tap joke. So I know you still

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen it, right, I saw it, but you've.

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<v Speaker 3>Only seen it once and it was a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so one of his I think his first one

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<v Speaker 2>was called yes I Can. Sure. There's a great scene

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<v Speaker 2>in spinal tapp when Bruno Kirby as a limo driver

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<v Speaker 2>is talking about it and he said he said something

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<v Speaker 2>about yes I can, he said, although the real title

0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.960
<v Speaker 2>should have been yes I can. If Frank says, it's

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<v Speaker 2>okay because Frank called the shots for all those.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, right, I remember that too. It's very funny, Joe like,

0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.840
<v Speaker 3>he just keeps going off about that, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's good stuff. You know, Billy Crystal and

0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Bruno Kirby had a very famous falling out and no

0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.880
<v Speaker 2>legend has it. Billy Crystal sort of had him blackballed.

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<v Speaker 1>What is up with Billy Crystal? My impression of him

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<v Speaker 1>is changing dramatically. He really sells it when the cameras

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<v Speaker 1>are on.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's what you do.

0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:55.800
<v Speaker 3>You know. That's crazy though, to be that Wow, Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we know the game. People think you and

0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I like each.

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<v Speaker 1>Other, right, we got everybody fool It's amazing. Like what

0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:04.400
<v Speaker 1>were their names of the MythBusters?

0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they like. The day the camera stopped rolling, they

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<v Speaker 2>release press statement saying we never liked each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, why would why would anybody do that? Even

0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.280
<v Speaker 1>if you didn't like each other, Why would you just

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<v Speaker 1>let it go?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a Jamie and Adam Adam, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Aim Savage. Adam's a great guy. I know him

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>So are you implying Jamie's not?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know him any Oh, Okay, I'm not siding

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<v Speaker 1>this took a really weird turn, didn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It did. So back to Sammy Davis Junior, he also

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<v Speaker 2>started his stars started rising. Well, his star had already risen,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the seventies when the variety show came about,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a big deal in the seventies and even

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<v Speaker 2>into the eighties, Sammy Davis Junior was perfect for that medium.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this was this was I think even earlier than that,

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<v Speaker 1>when TV really started to dominate. The earliest shows that

0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.440
<v Speaker 1>they had were vaudeville shows that led to variety show.

0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.520
<v Speaker 2>He had his own variety show later in the seventies

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<v Speaker 2>because he was so and it wasn't a huge hit.

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<v Speaker 2>But for someone who can dance and sing and do

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<v Speaker 2>impressions and do comedy and for God's sakes, as a

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<v Speaker 2>real deal gun slinger, a variety show is pretty great.

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<v Speaker 3>It really was.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's you know, he's getting onto TV. Their Vegas

0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.040
<v Speaker 1>gigs have really put the will Maston trio on the map,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were doing really well. They had reliable work,

0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. People knew who Sammy Davis Junior was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was already, you know, a protege of Frank Sinatra

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<v Speaker 1>by this time. But it wasn't until nineteen fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>that the big break came through. And it really came

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<v Speaker 1>through in like a really kind of Hollywood story kind

0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.480
<v Speaker 1>of way, where like this they were given this one

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<v Speaker 1>shot and this one particular spot at just the right time,

0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.399
<v Speaker 1>in front of just the right people, and they killed

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<v Speaker 1>it and that was it. They Sami dave Or was

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<v Speaker 1>a star from that moment on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And that was at Janis Page and a

0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.920
<v Speaker 2>show at Ciro's which is now the Comedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Store, right, And oh really I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it became the Comedy Store after Ciro's, but

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of a legendary place, you know, of its

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<v Speaker 2>own in its own right, Oh, yeah, but everyone, you know,

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.119
<v Speaker 2>apparently it's debatable whether or not it was an Oscar

0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 2>party after party or not, but regardless, there were a

0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:29.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of Hollywood people.

0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.480
<v Speaker 3>There, including Bogie and his rat Pack.

0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Sure, the original rat Pack, which wasn't called the rat.

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<v Speaker 3>Pack, no, it was actually it was yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Well why did well, never mind, I'm not going down

0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.280
<v Speaker 2>that rabbit hole. What that's all right?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So he he kills it there. He's doing impressions of

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.080
<v Speaker 2>people that are in the audience. Everyone loves them. They

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<v Speaker 2>signed with the William Morris Agency, and an overnight sensation,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty thirty years in the making, starts happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we should say so. Sammy Davis Junior became

0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.280
<v Speaker 1>known for his impressions. He was groundbreaking in the sense

0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.280
<v Speaker 1>that he would do impressions of white people. And up

0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.320
<v Speaker 1>to the time Sammy Davis Junior started doing impressions of

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.600
<v Speaker 1>white people, if you're a black performer, you could do

0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.119
<v Speaker 1>impressions of other black people, and that was it. It

0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.040
<v Speaker 1>was just not okay for you to do white people.

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Junior just started doing white people and the

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 1>white people loved it. And at that show at Zero's.

0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.879
<v Speaker 1>He was doing impressions of some of the people in

0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.199
<v Speaker 1>the crowd, like he did a killer Carrie Grant and

0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Carry Grant was a member of Humphrey Bogart's rat Pack

0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.879
<v Speaker 1>and he was probably there that night. So there were

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who were getting impressions done of them.

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.119
<v Speaker 1>They just loved it killed And I think Janis Page

0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.640
<v Speaker 1>said I was the headliner tonight. I think these guys

0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.200
<v Speaker 1>should be the headliner from now on. Yeah, which is

0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:49.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool of her to do that, you know.

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:50.440
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.680
<v Speaker 2>So he gets a record deal after that, he's putting

0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.880
<v Speaker 2>out like showtuns old standards.

0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>He does a pilot in the mid fifties with his

0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:04.680
<v Speaker 2>father and uncle about a trio of black entertainers that

0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:06.359
<v Speaker 2>are kind of struggling called We Three.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would love to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's another part we'll talk about later that you

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:11.399
<v Speaker 2>definitely need to see.

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.960
<v Speaker 3>I haven't checked it out yet, but I know I

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<v Speaker 3>know the one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty legendary. Yeah. So a big thing happened that

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<v Speaker 2>same year in nineteen fifty four is Sammy Davis Junior

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.720
<v Speaker 2>had a wreck and his Cadillac, and the Cadillac and

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.560
<v Speaker 2>This is just horrific to think about, because I've seen these,

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the middle of the steering wheel, they

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.960
<v Speaker 2>had these little decorative cones that stuck out. His left

0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.280
<v Speaker 2>eyeball hit that thing and he lost it and wore

0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 2>an eyepatch for a while and then a glass eye.

0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently he remembers coming out of the car with

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.879
<v Speaker 1>holding his eye in his hand, and then that's the

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:50.880
<v Speaker 1>last thing you remember. The next thing he remembers after

0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that was waking up in a hospital bed and when

0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.200
<v Speaker 1>he woke up and realized that he'd lost his eye

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:59.840
<v Speaker 1>for life. As eye was gone, he was really really

0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.120
<v Speaker 1>scared that his career was over. This is nineteen fifty four.

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.240
<v Speaker 1>He'd just got in his big break three years before

0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and was on his way up, and now all of

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a sudden he loses his eye. And the thing about

0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 1>losing your eye, in addition to say, you know, having

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to sit for publicity photos and try to be a

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.560
<v Speaker 1>leading man in movies or on Broadway or that kind

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 1>of thing, you have to relearn spatial awareness. You're going

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>from binocular vision to monocular vision, and that has all

0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.399
<v Speaker 1>sorts of weird tricky effects on you. So if you're

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:37.560
<v Speaker 1>a dancer or a gunslinger or doing some old soft

0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 1>shoe or whatever you're doing, you have to relearn how

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to move. And apparently one of the things that Sinatra

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.919
<v Speaker 1>did that was really stand up for Sammy Davis Junior

0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.840
<v Speaker 1>was he had him basically come convalesced at Sinatra's place

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and really guided him in saying, like, you need to

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.120
<v Speaker 1>relearn how to move. You're gonna be fine, but you're

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to You're gonna have to start really attacking

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:05.920
<v Speaker 1>this and you can't really sit around and feel bad

0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 1>for yourself. You need to get you know, relearn movement

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 1>now rather than you know, spend a year feeling sad.

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 1>And that was a huge help for him.

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 2>It was, and he also was kind of I don't think,

0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.439
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe his life did kind of pass before him,

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.159
<v Speaker 2>because he definitely had an awakening of what have I

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 2>done here with my life so far? What greater purpose

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 2>have I served? And what can I do from this

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 2>point forward? He and put a pin in this. But

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 2>this was the first exposure to Judaism in the hospital,

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.119
<v Speaker 2>he got a visit from a rabbi. Yeah, and just

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 2>put a pin in that because that will come back again. Later, Okay,

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.680
<v Speaker 2>there a pin in it. Well, look all right, I

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.160
<v Speaker 2>don't even know where this pin came from. You, I don't.

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Well you do have that pin coashion right there.

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:57.640
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, this little tomato one with the strawberries dangling

0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 3>off of it? Remember those?

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh, man, do I was there a seventies mom that

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:02.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't have one of those?

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with a Macromay owl hanging on the wall behind him.

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:06.679
<v Speaker 3>Yah.

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 2>So here's where it gets really kind of great as

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 2>far as knowing what a stand up guy Sammy Davis

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Junior was. His success is booming, and you would think,

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Sammy Davis Junior, you can leave that Will Maston Trio behind. Yeah,

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 2>because it's really all about you. He said, no, man,

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 2>shine us all up, babe. Three way split, yep, And

0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 2>that's what they did. He ensured contractually that they would

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 2>get a three way split that endured ten years after

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 2>he left as a solo performer. He was still giving

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 2>them thirty three percent each. Yeah, for fifteen years total.

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.600
<v Speaker 1>They got a third of the profits each of them.

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And yeah they were you know, originally they were still

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>doing their Vegas show as the Will Maston Trio featuring

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.040
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Junior. But then over time, you know, I

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>remember his uncle and his dad were a good twenty

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 1>years older than him. By this time, he's in his thirties,

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.719
<v Speaker 1>so you know, they're starting to get they're losing their

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.919
<v Speaker 1>step a little bit, so they start to not be

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>in the show quite as much, just stepping back. But

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 1>even still, he made sure they were taken care of

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>for another fifteen years. Third a third and this is

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:24.679
<v Speaker 1>a third during Sammy Davis Junior's peak earning years, So

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>he got one third of what he would have gotten

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>had he just basically said, dad, uncle will thank you

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>for teaching me everything.

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to move on now, best of luck, let

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>me know if you need a loan. Instead, he just

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 1>took a third of what he could have gotten and

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.719
<v Speaker 1>gave the other two thirds to those two, which is

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>for fifteen years. Chuck, Yeah, that's really amazing.

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty great. So that pen it actually wasn't in

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>there that long. We can go ahead and take the

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 2>pen out. Because he after that first meeting with a rabbi,

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>he reads more and more about Judaism. He draws a

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>correlation between the plight of the Jewish people and the

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:02.120
<v Speaker 2>plight of black people, and it really spoke to him

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and he converted. And some people said, oh, this big

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>publicity stunt. He's like, no, this is not a publicity stunt.

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 2>He said, this is my new religion. And he very

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 2>humorously started referring to himself as a one eyed Black.

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 3>Jew, sometimes a one eyed black Puerto Rican.

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Puerto Rican Jew, which was very sort of in keeping

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 2>with his self deprecating style.

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>For sure, he's like Tim Wattley. He converted for the jokes.

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I remember that one. I've been plowing through

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Seinfeld again.

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love.

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite things that always gets me is

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>when Jerry calls George Biff.

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:45.439
<v Speaker 2>It never fails to make me laugh. Biff. Yeah, so

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 2>good should we? Well, no, let's not take another break.

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Let's plow on here, right yeah, sure, all right. So,

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 2>dating wise, he is dating black women and white women.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:01.200
<v Speaker 2>When he dates white women, he gets racist threats from

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>white people, and he gets condemnation from the black community

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 2>for betraying the black community by dating a white woman.

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, he can't win. No, he really couldn't win. And apparently,

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>from what I saw in that American Masters documentary.

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 3>He really, really, really was in love with kim Novak. Yeah,

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 3>from what I saw, she may have been the love

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 3>of his life.

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>At the very least. He never got to explore whether

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>she was or not. But when he said that he

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 1>intended to marry her. I guess it was in the fifties.

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>There was a contract put on in his life by

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the studio head and I think Columbia where kim Novak

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>was an actress.

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Harry Cohne was the studio head. And this was

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>back when Vegas and Hollywood were you know, there was

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 2>some mob in mafia dealings going on for sure, and

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Sammy had some mob friends too, just because he was

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>friends with Frank and you know, that was just sort

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 2>of the thing. These guys would come to these Vegas

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 2>clubs and he would meet them. He sought protection from

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a Chicago gangster that he was in with. The Chicago

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 2>gangster was like, I can't help you in California. He's like,

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm no good there. I can protect you in Chicago,

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I can protect you in Vegas. Can't do anything about

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 2>California and it's not my territory. And supposedly, and this

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 2>is where it gets a little hazy, because some people

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>say it happened. Some people say it didn't. Supposedly he

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 2>was even kidnapped for a few hours to scare him,

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>but who knows if that's really true.

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, apparently one of his friends who was there said no,

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't true.

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 3>He was never kidnapped.

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>But the contract basically said there was a contract that said,

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you have forty eight hours to marry a black woman, yeah,

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>or you die yeah.

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 3>And whatever it was.

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Whatever, whether there was an actual contract, whether it wor

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>just got to him that there was, it didn't matter

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>to Sammy Davis Junior at that minute, because he broke

0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it off with Kim Novak.

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 3>To his own heart's break and.

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Married a woman.

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, proposed to a woman named laure White who she

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>was a black singer, and I think they had dated

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>years before. And I guess he never copped to the

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to the idea that it was an arranged marriage that

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>was basically a business proposal, But that is definitely how

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>it's portrayed by the people who were there at the

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>time were his close friends that he even paid her

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars to do this, and I'm sure it

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>was very you know, kind and congenial to it. But

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>they described that day. His wedding day to Laura White

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>is probably the worst day of his life, tied for

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>first with the day that he lost his left eye.

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he you know, we can't look over some

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>of the ugly parts of that day. He got drunk

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>and physically assaulted her in the car just after the

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>wedding reception. Not making any excuses for the guy, but

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>it was certainly not right to do that.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, So their marriage didn't last terribly long. I didn't

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>see how long it lasted, did you.

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little every year.

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so about a year, and I guess he considered

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that the heat had gone down or whatever by that time.

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>But I get the impression that the fact that Kim

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Novak had been taken from him strictly out of racism.

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Like Harry Cohne, I'm sure was a racist, but he

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:28.959
<v Speaker 1>was also a businessman, and the reason that he was

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>doing this was because he knew America was racist. This

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 1>is at a time when there were laws that prevented

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>black men and white women or vice versa.

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 3>To marry.

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't legal yet.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>No, So the idea of one of his biggest stars,

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Kim Novak, marrying a black man. He decided that he

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't take that risk business wise, and so he

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>threatened Sammy Davis Junior. Whatever the reason was, Sammy Davis

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Junior really bristled under that. And so in nineteen sixty,

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>this was a few years after the he had to

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>break it off with kim Novak, he got married to

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>a woman, a Swedish actress named my brit and he

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>had children with her and was married to her, but

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>he also ran around on her almost constantly. From what

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I understand, and you get the impression that my was

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>in part A, I'll just put it as PG as possible,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>thumbing his nose at all of the racists out there

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>who took kim Novak from him. He was saying, I think,

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>as somebody put it, I'm big enough now that you

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 1>can't tell me who to marry. And I'm going to

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>marry this beautiful six foot white woman.

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who looks like Margo Robie sort of she does, Yeah,

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 2>she does.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 3>A little bit.

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't put my finger on it. And their children

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>were incredibly beautiful, thanks largely to their mom too, but

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>they were They had three kids together, and they were

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>married for eight years and I think it's very sad

0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>because my Britt immediately lost her career. Yeah, so she

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 1>gave up her career to be with Sammy Davis Junior.

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I she must have fallen in love

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>with them, and because she had three kids with him too.

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>But she gave up a lot and he gave up nothing.

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think that was very unfair on his part

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>to ask for what he asked for from her and

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>give so little in return.

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And what was also not fair and sort of

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>a black eye on John F. Kennedy was that Sammy

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Davis Junior had been scheduled to perform at the nineteen

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 2>sixty inauguration and he disinvited him because of his marriage

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 2>to a white woman.

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy personally had him disinvited. This wasn't Kennedy's advisors or

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>anything like that.

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>No, it was him, and he said, you know, apparently

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>people said he you know, it was a political move

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>because he didn't want to alienate Southern Democrats. But either way,

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that was a big fracturing of the relationship between JFK

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and Sammy Davis Junior. He never got over that.

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 3>No, he never did.

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>And it was also a moment where Sinatra, who had

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>stood up for Sammy Davis Junior multiple countless times against racists,

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>against studio heads, against the record company executives, against all

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>sorts of people, didn't.

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 3>He did not stand up.

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>And argue and try to persuade JFK to change his mind.

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>He just quietly went along with it. And I think

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>that broke Sammy Davis Junior's part as much as JFK

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 1>betraying him, and probably even more because he expected more

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>from from Frank than he did from Kennedy. And the

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>other thing about Kennedy rescinding that invitation, Harry Belifani's invitation

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't rescinded, and Harry Belifani was married to a white

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 1>woman and was there with his white wife at this

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>inauguration party. So Sammy Davis Junior couldn't help but take

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>it personally, and he really did.

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a big It.

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Was a big deal, a big moment in his life,

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>in a very sad moment, and a lot of people

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>think that it led to him later on embracing, probably

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>ill advisedly, the Nixon campaign in the early seventies.

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 3>That's right, you want to take a break.

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:15.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's take a break, and we'll talk a little

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 2>bit about his work in the civil rights movement right

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 2>up to.

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 3>This softly jawsh.

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Sof this cat is interesting, man, right, I don't know

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>if everybody's picking up on it.

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Did you know this before? Because this is your pick.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, yeah, I've always been pretty fascinated with him

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 2>because we haven't even gotten to the super weird and

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 2>interesting stuff, yeah, right, which happens in the seventies. So

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties is when, and possibly because of the

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.919
<v Speaker 2>JFK treatment, is when he really starts to get more

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:10.720
<v Speaker 2>socially aware, starts donating money to the cause, and marches

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>at SELMA for the civil rights efforts. He when he

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 2>supported Nixon, it was not just a thumbing of the

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.800
<v Speaker 2>nose at Kennedy, but he bought into Nixon and thought

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>that it was going to be a good choice for

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 2>black America. He regretted that later on, of course, but

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just a poopy pants move like, hey, well,

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to support Nixon now because you disinvited.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Me, exactly.

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>And so one of the other reasons that he embraced

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Nixon was that Nixon embraced him as a human being

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and really stood in stark contrast to the treatment he

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>received from Kennedy, and in that Nixon actually seemed to

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.919
<v Speaker 1>really like Sammy Davis Junior, that a lot of people

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.439
<v Speaker 1>are like. The Nixon administration was just using Sammy Davis

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Junior at the same time, using what's called the Southern strategy,

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 1>which is they were stoking racism among Southern whites to

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>get them to turn on the Democrats. But he also

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>apparently really did like Sammy Davis Junior and admired him,

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and under Nixon's administration, it tastes like bitter acid saying this.

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Junior became the first black person to sleep

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>in the Lincoln bedroom, and apparently Sammy Davis Junior was

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:32.760
<v Speaker 1>an avid Lincoln fan, and sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>with some of Abraham Lincoln and Mary Todd Lincoln's personal

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>effects in.

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 3>This room just blew him away.

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sure.

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>And that was actually how he ended up in Vietnam

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>doing this USO tour in nineteen seventy two. He said,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>what can I do to help? And Nixon said that

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>would probably that would probably help a lot, But that

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 1>just contributed even further to his alienation from not just

0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>black people, but young black people too, because it was

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a really tone deaf move as I saw it described

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>at the time, that was not the kind of thing

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 1>you did. Vietnam was so unpopular that even the troops

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 1>weren't particularly supported at home. You know, it's not like

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>today where it's like, you know, we really really hate this,

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:17.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, these endless wars.

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 3>This is we really disagree.

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>With the you know, the hawks and the military industrial

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>complex that supports us. But we're still going to be

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.919
<v Speaker 1>supportive of the troops who have to go there, who

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>are over there, whether by their own choice or well,

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's all volunteer army, they still deserve support

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>these individuals over there overseas. That was not necessarily how

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 1>it was during the Vietnam era. So Sammy Davis Junior

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>going over there to support the troops after embracing the

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Nixon administration really.

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Furthered.

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 1>This rift between him and the black community, which and

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we've really said this enough, was

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>fair and unjust because he was a fervent supporter of

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the civil rights movement during the fifties and sixties. Yeah,

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean fervent, like he marched in Selma with Martin

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Luther King Junior, Scared to death apparently, but he still

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 1>went and he still did it. He contributed a ton

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 1>of money to the civil rights movement. He was he

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>was legit, for sure. But he also was, you know,

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>friends with Richard Nixon. So one kind of one kind

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>of tarnishes the other, you know.

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.919
<v Speaker 2>For sure. So in the sixties he is blown up.

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 2>He's everywhere. He's on stage, he's recording records, he's on TV,

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 2>he's doing celebrity roast, he's on Broadway, he's writing books,

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>he's doing the Gunslinger thing. He's making a lot of

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 2>money at this point and starts spending a lot of

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:57.399
<v Speaker 2>money because he came from nothing. Like we said, this

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 2>is when the rat pack thing really heats up. And

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 2>he's hanging out with Joey Bishop, Peter Lawfer, Dean Martin

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and of course the Chairman and started their first movie together,

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 2>which was Ocean's Eleven. Not a great movie. Oh disagree,

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I think the original's not very good.

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh I liked it.

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought the remake was great, but did not care

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 2>for the original.

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.720
<v Speaker 3>The original. Yeah, hanging seen Robin in the seven Hoods.

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, also not great. I don't think the Ratpeck ever

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 2>made a great movie. Okay, that's just my opinion.

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 3>What about Time Bandits fantastic? Okay.

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>They were hanging out at the Coconut Grove in the

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Ambassador Hotel, which is a place that I have a

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 2>neat little quick story did a commercial shoot there before

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 2>they tore it down. And it was, you know, an

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>empty hotel at this point that they just used for

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>movie shoots. And it was an overnight thing, and like

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 2>two in the morning, I was working in the art department.

0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.399
<v Speaker 2>They said, here, you need to go assemble all these

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 2>flag that we're going to hang. And they said, just

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 2>go in the in the Coconut Grove and do it

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 2>because there's plenty of room in there. And I went

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>in there all by myself, sitting in cocaine in the

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:13.479
<v Speaker 2>the dusty old shadows of what was once the Great

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Coconut Grove, and uh, for like an hour and a

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>half by myself, like sitting in a booth that the

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 2>rat Pack might have sat in.

0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's amazing, really pretty neat.

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 2>And later that night got to go see where Bob

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy was shot.

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's where he was shot Yeah in the Ambassador Hotel.

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the kitchen, and one of the got the

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 2>overnight security guy. It was just sort of one of

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>those slow shoots. He was like to me and my friend,

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you want to go down in the kitchen.

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:39.879
<v Speaker 2>It's where it happened. And we went, oh yeah, wow,

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 2>that's amazing. It was super cool and creepy.

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Wow. So anyway, great story.

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:49.879
<v Speaker 2>Charge they're hanging out with the rat Pack, and this

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.319
<v Speaker 2>is where it gets a little like dodgy because the

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 2>rat Pack they were all best buds. They genuinely loved

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 2>each other. But when you look at their old stick,

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:03.720
<v Speaker 2>there is a lot of sort of racial joking about Sammy.

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>It's all in good fun, but there were often jokes

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>made about him being black, being the only black member.

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Dean Martin one of his famous jokes was he would

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>pick little Sammy up on stage because Dean was a

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>big guy and Sammy was small and thank the audience

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>for the n double ACP Award. So stuff like that.

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>So in that documentary, and I'm not like justifying that

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>at all, but in that documentary, what p be Goldberg

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, you can you could take any

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.800
<v Speaker 1>segment of their show and be like this was really offensive.

0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Sure Italians or alcoholics, or women, or black people or Jews,

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and she said they went hard on everybody. But from

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 1>what I understand, at least as far as Sammy was concerned,

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't secretly didn't secretly have a chip on his

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 1>shoulder and he had to just put up with this

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 1>to be a member of the rat pack. He seemed

0:41:57.120 --> 0:42:00.439
<v Speaker 1>to really not like he didn't take it as if

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 1>they were being hostile or cruel, that it was just

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 1>part of the act and that's how he took it.

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it was certainly a different time. I

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>mean there was for sure no doubting about it that

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 2>back then you could make jokes about all kinds of

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>things that you can't joke about now.

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's like, it's not like I used to

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>hang out with Sammy Davis Junior and had like quiet

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 1>talks with him or whatever. So it is possible that

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.879
<v Speaker 1>he did, you know, harbor resentment from it, but that's

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 1>not the impresson that I have from the research.

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 3>That I've done.

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, Josh.

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Right, But apparently no one did, because this is a

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>really bizarre thing about him when he was talking about

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 1>converting to Judaism. I think in like a nineteen sixty

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>six Playboy interview he was talking about losing his eye

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, converting to Judaism, and that it

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 1>happened during a period of soul searching, and that he

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>did all this and went through all this even though

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 1>he was convalescing at Frank Sinatra's house, even though apparently

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Lewis spent seven days at his bedside when he

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>was in the hospital, had all these tele Graham's coming in,

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>all this outpouring of support. He considered himself alone and

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>that he was a loaner, and that that was that's

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>really bizarre when you step back and look at that,

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>because Sammy Davis Junior always had friends. He was always

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:15.839
<v Speaker 1>the life of the party. He was always a good guy.

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Everybody wanted to be around him. He was always having fun.

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 1>But he considered himself a loner. And apparently he didn't

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.760
<v Speaker 1>let people in. So even if I had been hanging

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>around with him, he probably wouldn't have had that conversation

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:28.880
<v Speaker 1>with me.

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Like, Sammy, I don't feel like I know they're real.

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 3>You come on, Sammy, let.

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 2>It, and he said, that's by design, babe.

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm tripping or something right now.

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:44.479
<v Speaker 2>So his career is booming in the sixties and into

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.919
<v Speaker 2>the seventies, and the result of that, of course, well

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>through the sixties I guess, is that he's not around much.

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>He had a lot of regrets about not being around

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 2>as a father, as a husband. He was flandering, he

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>was drinking a lot, he was using drugs. So in

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight he got divorced. In nineteen seventy, he

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>married a woman named Altaviz Gore who was eighteen years

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>his junior. Great name, backup dancer. His children did not

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like the fact that she was so much younger, but

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>they were stayed married, you know, for the rest of

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:17.919
<v Speaker 2>his life.

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>He was like, oh, if you got a problem with her,

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>you should probably not know about everything else I'm doing.

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So here's where it gets really interesting, very interesting.

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Sammy Davis Junior had a convergence of two interests. In

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the seventies. He became a member of the Church of Satan.

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.800
<v Speaker 3>He was an honorary warlock.

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 2>And he got really really into porn and porn you know,

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 2>there's no better way to say it than he was

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 2>a swinger. He was in orgies. He participated in Satanic orgies.

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, that was actually I don't know if it

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>was his first orgy or not, but that that's how

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 1>he became a part of involved in the Church of Satan,

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the original Church of Satan with Anton

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Levey there and everything.

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Like the real good, like right back with Golden Ears

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 2>of Church of Satan exactly.

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>He went and participated in a Satanic orgy.

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Sammy Davis Junior, which I think is like.

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 2>A regular orgy, but with just more like red candles.

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and pentagrams and black robes and stuff like that.

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:29.799
<v Speaker 1>But then the black robes come off, but I think

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the pentagrams stay on. But he I read this really

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>interesting Vice article about it, and he was apparently at

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the first one, and this would have been in the

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 1>late sixties, and somebody in a hood is trying to

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 1>get his attention, and it turns out he lifts the

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 1>hood and it's his barber is Barbara J. S.

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Bring.

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 1>He would later be killed with Sharon Tate by the

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.399
<v Speaker 1>Manson family. But he was basically like, hey, Sam, it's

0:45:57.480 --> 0:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>me Jay, how are you doing.

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 3>In this awesome, and then they went back to They're

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 3>coming Yeah.

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he yeah, he was hugely in the in

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the pornography he was and the Orgies into swinging.

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 3>He was. He loved cocaine and loved drinking.

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I saw our Sineo interview with him, must have been

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.360
<v Speaker 1>very shortly before his death, where he's like, you know,

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I had to give everything up, uh, and I don't

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.360
<v Speaker 1>miss all the other stuff, but I miss booze, I

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>miss whiskey, I miss wodka.

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 3>I love that stuff.

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>But then I also saw another interview where he basically

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>said the same thing to Larry King, like I've given

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>everything up, I don't smoke anymore, or anything like that.

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And then somebody went backstage and there's Sammy Davis Junior

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 1>smoking a cigarette, drinking a brand and he goes, Sammy,

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:45.319
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing. You just told Larry King that

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>he gave all this up. He's like, I'm I plan to.

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 1>So who knows what he actually gave up or didn't do,

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:56.320
<v Speaker 1>but his whole jam was I want to experience every

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>possible human experience I can, and I approach all this

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 1>stuff without judgment. Yeah, which is how he ended up

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 1>becoming involved in the Church of Satan, which went.

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 2>On, yeah, no judgment here. If that's his bag, it's

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>not hurting anybody. Did you see the one quote about

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the the ritual with the lady who was tied to

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the bed.

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Where he decided like it was okay.

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was talking about it and he was like

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 2>that chick was loving it. Man, Right, Well, I won't

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 2>say the rest of the quote, but do you.

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Remember, Yeah, I remember, I remember.

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:33.759
<v Speaker 2>So all of this led to what we were talking

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:38.319
<v Speaker 2>about earlier. This this TV pilot that is legendary in

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood as one of the weirdest, worst things that Hollywood

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 2>has ever produced. And it was a pilot for a

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>TV show in nineteen seventy three called Poor Devil, which

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<v Speaker 2>was about a man who was a load load down

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<v Speaker 2>on the totem pole or I guess high on.

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<v Speaker 3>The totem pole.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Cole shoveler in Hell, who has offered the chance

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<v Speaker 2>to work his way up the ranks in Hell if

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<v Speaker 2>he can get the soul of Jack Klugman, a living

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<v Speaker 2>white man on.

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<v Speaker 3>Earth, right, Jack Klugman, Quincy, MD.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it is on YouTube, and dude, it is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not had a chance to see it. I

0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see it, but it sounds amazing. I

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>saw it described as like he's a reverse Clearance from

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Wonderful Life, which you wouldn't possibly understand that. Yeah, sure,

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>but just imagine that somebody's not trying to get you

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<v Speaker 1>to be good so that they can or understand how

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<v Speaker 1>great life is. He's trying to get him to follow

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<v Speaker 1>his most bitter revenge impulses and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, apparently Jack Klugman wants to get in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with Sammy Davis Junior the Devil, and is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'll call the Church of Satan downtown. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>know how to get in touch with them. And the

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Church of Satan went because apparently the pilot was aired

0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 1>and they were all about Sammy d At this point,

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>they made him an honorary war law.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to flash like the devil horns at them

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<v Speaker 1>from stage when he would love San.

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Francisco, honey. Yeah. Christopher Lee, by the way, played the Devil,

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty on the noes but perfect. Yeah, so

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't succeed, obviously, it's terrible. The seventies and the

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 2>eighties his star starts to fade a little bit. He's

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 2>still around. Of course, he was on All in the

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Family in a very famous episode where he kissed Archie

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Bunker on the lips. He was we have to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the great great Cannonball Run.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he was in that, wasn't he.

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<v Speaker 2>Man? He and Dean were for partners. They played I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about. They dressed up as priests, that's right, heavily drinking,

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 2>smoking priests. They played themselves basically as priests who wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to drive fast.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, even though we revere that film, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it was looked at generally as one of

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<v Speaker 2>the big highlights of his career.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I'm sure not. By this time. He's kitchy Sammy.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I understand, like he was fine with that

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<v Speaker 1>as long as he was working.

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<v Speaker 3>He was okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I said earlier that like he had a certain

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<v Speaker 1>affiliation with that song Mister Bojangles. Yes where if you

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.399
<v Speaker 1>listen to it, it's about an old performer who's washed

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<v Speaker 1>up and has been washed up for years, and he's

0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 1>still drinking and just doing you know, he's been reduced

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to doing basically sidewalk performances, and apparently Sammy was scared

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to death about that being his future. So even just

0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:35.359
<v Speaker 1>doing what he was doing with Dean and Cannonball Run,

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was just fine in his in his

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.360
<v Speaker 1>mind because he was still working and performing.

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Of course, he looks around and there's there's Burt Man,

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:45.280
<v Speaker 2>there's Adrian Barbo.

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<v Speaker 3>Was.

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 2>You're digging the Sammy now, aren't you.

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Sude, I think Sammy needs to be a recurring

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>character from now on.

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 3>In episode We'll see, We'll see, okay, the new hippie rob.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the eighties, he gets into some financial trouble,

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 2>to say the least, because I love how I had

0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 2>put it. He'd been struggling with tax payments since the

0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties. I think it was a Willie Nelson sort

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.399
<v Speaker 2>of deal from what I could gather. Oh yeah, yeah,

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think he wasn't really paying his taxes.

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, And apparently he'd also I don't know if

0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>he got bad tax advice or what, but he had

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:26.320
<v Speaker 1>claimed some very extravagant stuff as a write off, and

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the IRS came back and said, Nope, that doesn't count.

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.919
<v Speaker 1>You also owe on that. And his estate was worth

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 1>or his net assets were worth about four million, but

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 1>he owed about seven million cheese. And he was a

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:44.399
<v Speaker 1>profligate spender of money. I saw one interview once where

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<v Speaker 1>a guy said that he walked six blocks.

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 3>In New York with them.

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:49.719
<v Speaker 1>He even named the streets, So it seems like he

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 1>really did just walk six blocks and dropped fifty thousand

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 1>dollars along the way, stopping in different stores.

0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought, you dropped that out of his pocket on

0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:57.439
<v Speaker 2>the street.

0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 3>No, no buying stuff, just buy by buy.

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 1>He had to spend it because he had come from

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:05.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing and he knew, you know, that thrill of spending money.

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>He was terrible with his money, and so he as

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>he found out he owed seven million dollars, he started

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to organize some shows and specials to try to raise

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 1>some money to help him pay off this debt. And

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 1>after the first one, I think in nineteen eighty nine,

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>he found that he had a sore throat, so he

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:27.880
<v Speaker 1>went to the doctor and ultimately was diagnosed with throat cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, after that very first show, that's like such cruel

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 2>irony to raise all this money. Because when he passed

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>away in nineteen ninety in May sixteenth of cancer, he

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:45.319
<v Speaker 2>left that tax bill to his wife like that that

0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>carried over, yeah, Altavius. Yeah, so that really left her

0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of destitute for the rest of her life as well.

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, for sure.

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean like she then she basically owed three million

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 1>dollars and his estate was sold off like basically at

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 1>a yard sale auction. All of his stuff was And yeah,

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 1>that was the negative part of his legacy, was that

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 1>text at leaving that behind.

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, in one way, it's like kind

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:20.320
<v Speaker 2>of a sad ending with the financial stuff and obviously

0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:22.040
<v Speaker 2>dying way too young of cancer.

0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, sixty five man, he did.

0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Accomplish everything he set out to accomplish. He showed everybody

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>who said this diminutive, little mixed race, kind of funny

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 2>looking guy is never going to amount to anything. And

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 2>he had a lifelong career from the age of three

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to sixty five in show business.

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 1>And one of the things Chuck is he did not

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>really harbor regret. He apparently whenever he talked about his life,

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:52.279
<v Speaker 1>he talked about it with great satisfaction, which is pretty reassuring.

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that quote on that Letterman show was great. Yeah,

0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:58.280
<v Speaker 2>on the eighty five episode, he's talking about the younger generation,

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.320
<v Speaker 2>and he said, I look at the young performers today

0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 2>and I go like this, Yeah, man, go ahead, cook,

0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I've been there. That's it man, I have no envy.

0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I did it all. Yeah, pretty great, Go ahead, cook,

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 2>that's great.

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Sammy Davis Junior. Everybody, round of applause. You got anything else?

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Got nothing else?

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more about Sammy Davis Junior,

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 1>just start watching some of his old performances.

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 3>They're pretty amazing. Uh.

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.359
<v Speaker 1>And while you're doing that, we're going to just move

0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 1>on ahead to listener mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is about the nine to one to one

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 2>pizza thing. We heard from a lot of uh nine

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:34.760
<v Speaker 2>one one people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm glad that you you picked one of these men.

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<v Speaker 3>This is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, while we are not specifically trained, just send ems

0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:44.399
<v Speaker 2>to calls where people pretend to order a pizza. Most

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 2>nine one one dispatchers will in fact ask you, this

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.600
<v Speaker 2>is nine one one? Did you dial the wrong number?

0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>And if they respond no, we will then say are

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 2>you in a situation where you can't ask for help?

0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>And then they can say yes or no. Obviously, there

0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 2>are many stories of this working out. Most in domestic

0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 2>violence are kidnapping situations. So even though it is a

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 2>protocol necessarily or set in stone as a way to

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 2>ask for help, it could help many people in bad situations.

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<v Speaker 2>We will not just hang up on you. Even if

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.920
<v Speaker 2>you keep ordering a pizza and do not acknowledge that

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you need help. Most will still send out law enforcement

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:22.279
<v Speaker 2>for a welfare check due to the suspicious nature of

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<v Speaker 2>the call.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad to hear this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, please let this be known because in a last

0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 2>ditch effort, this may save someone's life.

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 3>And that yeah is.

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<v Speaker 2>From responder Brooke Diane.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Brooke, and thank you also not for being like Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>Was wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh I don't remember did you say that's not true?

0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I said specifically it's an urban legend.

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I don't even remember that.

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was really glad when people started writing I'm

0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 1>glad you picked one to say like, no.

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 3>This is this is for real.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, thanks again, Brooke. That was fantastic. If you

0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:54.959
<v Speaker 1>want to get in touch with this like Brooke did.

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:56.959
<v Speaker 1>Even if you do want to say Josh was wrong

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.800
<v Speaker 1>wrong wrong, wrong, wrong, that's all right, we'd love to

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.239
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