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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's me Josham for this week's s YSK Select.

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Speaker 1: I've chosen our February twenty twenty episode on Sammy Davis Junior.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, this is where I, you, and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world finds out that Chuck does

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Speaker 1: a killer Sammy Davis Junior impression, thus booing the podcast

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Speaker 1: for years to come. I don't think anything else is

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Speaker 1: needed to be said about this one. Just enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and there's guest producer Dylan

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Speaker 1: sitting in again like a great.

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Speaker 3: Guy, like a cooled cat baby. I thought you were

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Speaker 3: doing evil German doctor for a second and then I

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Speaker 3: figured it out.

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Speaker 1: No man, wait, I haven't said it yet. And this

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Speaker 1: is Stuff you should Know. Okay, that was a good

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Speaker 1: one that no Man was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I love how Sammy Davis Junior always said cat and baby.

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Speaker 2: It was just he was such a cool dude.

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Speaker 1: And okay, do Sammy Davis Junior saying we have ways

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Speaker 1: of making you talk.

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Speaker 2: What sounds German about any of that.

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Speaker 3: I just do it. Please please, we have ways of

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Speaker 3: making you talk.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: That was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: And that's a little soft shoe.

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Speaker 3: It's great stuff, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: So you know, Billy Crystal used to do Sammy Davis

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Speaker 2: Junior way back in the eighties when blackface was super

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Speaker 2: cool to do and not controversial.

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Speaker 3: Did he do blackface Sammy Davis Junior?

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Speaker 2: Yes, dude, he did blackface Sammy Davis Junior eight years

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Speaker 2: ago at the Oscars. What. Yes, you don't remember that. No,

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Speaker 2: it's the last time he hosted the Oscars. Age In

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve, he they did, you know, a remote intro

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Speaker 2: thing where he was doing different things and the last

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Speaker 2: bit was him and blackface again and people were like,

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Speaker 2: and then you know, this was in you know, twenty twelve,

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Speaker 2: so that was Twitter and that was Facebook and this

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Speaker 2: social media and people were like, that wasn't cool in

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Speaker 2: the eighties and I can't believe he's doing that now

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Speaker 2: for real. Sammy Davis Junior's daughter came out and said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, if there's one thing I know is

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Speaker 2: that my dad is looking down and laughing and smiling

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Speaker 2: at Billy Crystal doing this. He was he was roasted

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Speaker 2: pretty heavily for it, rightfully so, and he is he

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Speaker 2: hasn't been around a lot, but he wasn't a real

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Speaker 3: He you know, do you think like that? Did it?

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Speaker 3: Like that was the demise kid?

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Speaker 2: I guess get helped.

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Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, I haven't seen him in a while either. Man.

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Speaker 1: How did somebody not step back and be like, okay, wait,

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Speaker 1: we're about to do blackface?

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Speaker 2: I know, Like, how did no one on the production

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Speaker 2: crew of the Oscars say not a good idea?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Well he did.

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Speaker 1: So I came across something that I thought was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: I saw a nineteen eighty five interview with David Letterman

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Speaker 1: and Sammy Davis Junior says in this interview he did blackface.

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Speaker 3: He was a little kid.

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Speaker 1: Apparently his skin was lighter when he was a kid,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted him because he used to tour with

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Speaker 1: his uncle and his dad, as we'll see, and to

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Speaker 1: get around labor laws, they would pass him off as

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Speaker 3: Yes, and to do that there was right, Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: They gave him a candy cigar and put him in

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Speaker 1: blackface and told anyone who would listened that he was

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Speaker 1: a little person. Although again, they didn't say a little person.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Boy, this is a really controversial episode right out of

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of sort of I mean, he

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Speaker 2: was a complicated guy who was you know, his father

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Speaker 2: endorse two presidents, both Kennedy and Nixon. He served in

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Speaker 2: the army. He was a rat packer. He was shunned

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like a little pinball getting bounced around.

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Speaker 2: And little is right. He was also a little guy

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Speaker 2: Just a really fascinating guy that was super super talented

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look back at the rat Pack, he

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Speaker 3: Like Sinatra could say, Martin.

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Speaker 1: Could sing everyone and the rat Pack was talented, right, right,

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Speaker 3: He had like a little gunslinger routine too.

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Speaker 2: Did you see any of that?

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Speaker 3: I did?

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Speaker 2: He's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I watched a PBS documentary for their series American Masters

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Speaker 1: But they had some amazing footage of him just doing

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Speaker 1: revise that. Yes, the rat pack was talented. Sammy Davis

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Speaker 1: Junior was more talented than all of them put together.

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Speaker 2: All right, Okay, so he made Did you see any

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Speaker 2: of that documentary of the USO.

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Speaker 3: Tour There were a few clips in there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you want to see a different So

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Speaker 2: if you think Sammy Davis Junior as just the candy

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Speaker 2: man or mister bo Jangles babe.

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Speaker 1: Man, watching him do mister bo Jangles, that's growing how

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Speaker 2: But if you see this documentary. In nineteen seventy two,

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Speaker 2: If you look at this man, this is like is

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Speaker 2: He was at places like some of them were kind

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Speaker 1: And this is nineteen seventy two, believe, and like, I

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't see all.

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Speaker 2: So the Grabster helped us out with this one. And

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Speaker 2: he said that there were a few defining sort of

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Speaker 2: things about Sammy Davis Junior's life that inform who he was.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: One was that he came from poverty. He performed with

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Speaker 3: Trio, Will Maston trio, right, And they.

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Speaker 2: Came from nothing, and he did not have any money.

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Speaker 3: And he was definitely at the bottom.

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Speaker 1: And they, he and his father and his uncle Will

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Speaker 1: And he didn't go to school, once, because this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the second point. Never went to school

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Speaker 2: He was a very intelligent guy, right, He just didn't

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Speaker 1: I think this kind of explains that he approached racism

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Speaker 1: He didn't get that until he was eighteen, and so

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Speaker 3: What do you what do you? Who do you think

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Speaker 1: He would he would fight back, he would not he

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Speaker 3: That was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: So Sammy Davis Junior wrote a bunch of memoirs and

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Speaker 2: Okay, so one of his I think his first one

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Speaker 3: Guys, right, I remember that too. It's very funny, Joe like,

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Speaker 1: What is up with Billy Crystal? My impression of him

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 3: You know. That's crazy though, to be that Wow, Wow.

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Speaker 2: I mean we know the game. People think you and

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Speaker 1: Other, right, we got everybody fool It's amazing. Like what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they like. The day the camera stopped rolling, they

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Speaker 1: I know, why would why would anybody do that? Even

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Right, Aim Savage. Adam's a great guy. I know him

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Speaker 2: It did. So back to Sammy Davis Junior, he also

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Speaker 1: So he's you know, he's getting onto TV. Their Vegas

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So he gets a record deal after that, he's putting

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Speaker 2: He does a pilot in the mid fifties with his

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Speaker 2: It's pretty legendary. Yeah. So a big thing happened that

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Speaker 2: This is just horrific to think about, because I've seen these,

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Speaker 1: a dancer or a gunslinger or doing some old soft

443
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: shoe or whatever you're doing, you have to relearn how

444
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: to move. And apparently one of the things that Sinatra

445
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: did that was really stand up for Sammy Davis Junior

446
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: was he had him basically come convalesced at Sinatra's place

447
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: and really guided him in saying, like, you need to

448
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: relearn how to move. You're gonna be fine, but you're

449
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to You're gonna have to start really attacking

450
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: this and you can't really sit around and feel bad

451
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: for yourself. You need to get you know, relearn movement

452
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: now rather than you know, spend a year feeling sad.

453
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: And that was a huge help for him.

454
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: It was, and he also was kind of I don't think,

455
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe his life did kind of pass before him,

456
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: because he definitely had an awakening of what have I

457
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: done here with my life so far? What greater purpose

458
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: have I served? And what can I do from this

459
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: point forward? He and put a pin in this. But

460
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: this was the first exposure to Judaism in the hospital,

461
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: he got a visit from a rabbi. Yeah, and just

462
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: put a pin in that because that will come back again. Later, Okay,

463
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: there a pin in it. Well, look all right, I

464
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: don't even know where this pin came from. You, I don't.

465
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: Well you do have that pin coashion right there.

466
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, this little tomato one with the strawberries dangling

467
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: off of it? Remember those?

468
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: Oh, man, do I was there a seventies mom that

469
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: didn't have one of those?

470
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, with a Macromay owl hanging on the wall behind him.

471
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 3: Yah.

472
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: So here's where it gets really kind of great as

473
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: far as knowing what a stand up guy Sammy Davis

474
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: Junior was. His success is booming, and you would think,

475
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: Sammy Davis Junior, you can leave that Will Maston Trio behind. Yeah,

476
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: because it's really all about you. He said, no, man,

477
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: shine us all up, babe. Three way split, yep, And

478
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 2: that's what they did. He ensured contractually that they would

479
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: get a three way split that endured ten years after

480
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: he left as a solo performer. He was still giving

481
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: them thirty three percent each. Yeah, for fifteen years total.

482
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: They got a third of the profits each of them.

483
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: And yeah they were you know, originally they were still

484
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: doing their Vegas show as the Will Maston Trio featuring

485
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: Sammy Davis Junior. But then over time, you know, I

486
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: remember his uncle and his dad were a good twenty

487
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: years older than him. By this time, he's in his thirties,

488
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 1: so you know, they're starting to get they're losing their

489
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: step a little bit, so they start to not be

490
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: in the show quite as much, just stepping back. But

491
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: even still, he made sure they were taken care of

492
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: for another fifteen years. Third a third and this is

493
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: a third during Sammy Davis Junior's peak earning years, So

494
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: he got one third of what he would have gotten

495
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: had he just basically said, dad, uncle will thank you

496
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: for teaching me everything.

497
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: I know.

498
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: I'm going to move on now, best of luck, let

499
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: me know if you need a loan. Instead, he just

500
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: took a third of what he could have gotten and

501
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: gave the other two thirds to those two, which is

502
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. Chuck, Yeah, that's really amazing.

503
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: It's pretty great. So that pen it actually wasn't in

504
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: there that long. We can go ahead and take the

505
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: pen out. Because he after that first meeting with a rabbi,

506
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: he reads more and more about Judaism. He draws a

507
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: correlation between the plight of the Jewish people and the

508
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: plight of black people, and it really spoke to him

509
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: and he converted. And some people said, oh, this big

510
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: publicity stunt. He's like, no, this is not a publicity stunt.

511
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: He said, this is my new religion. And he very

512
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: humorously started referring to himself as a one eyed Black.

513
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: Jew, sometimes a one eyed black Puerto Rican.

514
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican Jew, which was very sort of in keeping

515
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: with his self deprecating style.

516
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: For sure, he's like Tim Wattley. He converted for the jokes.

517
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: Oh man, I remember that one. I've been plowing through

518
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: Seinfeld again.

519
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love.

520
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things that always gets me is

521
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: when Jerry calls George Biff.

522
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

523
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: It never fails to make me laugh. Biff. Yeah, so

524
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: good should we? Well, no, let's not take another break.

525
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: Let's plow on here, right yeah, sure, all right. So,

526
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: dating wise, he is dating black women and white women.

527
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: When he dates white women, he gets racist threats from

528
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: white people, and he gets condemnation from the black community

529
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: for betraying the black community by dating a white woman.

530
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Right, he can't win. No, he really couldn't win. And apparently,

531
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: from what I saw in that American Masters documentary.

532
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: He really, really, really was in love with kim Novak. Yeah,

533
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: from what I saw, she may have been the love

534
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: of his life.

535
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: At the very least. He never got to explore whether

536
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: she was or not. But when he said that he

537
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: intended to marry her. I guess it was in the fifties.

538
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: There was a contract put on in his life by

539
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: the studio head and I think Columbia where kim Novak

540
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: was an actress.

541
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harry Cohne was the studio head. And this was

542
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: back when Vegas and Hollywood were you know, there was

543
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: some mob in mafia dealings going on for sure, and

544
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: Sammy had some mob friends too, just because he was

545
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: friends with Frank and you know, that was just sort

546
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: of the thing. These guys would come to these Vegas

547
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: clubs and he would meet them. He sought protection from

548
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: a Chicago gangster that he was in with. The Chicago

549
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: gangster was like, I can't help you in California. He's like,

550
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm no good there. I can protect you in Chicago,

551
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: I can protect you in Vegas. Can't do anything about

552
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: California and it's not my territory. And supposedly, and this

553
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: is where it gets a little hazy, because some people

554
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: say it happened. Some people say it didn't. Supposedly he

555
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: was even kidnapped for a few hours to scare him,

556
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: but who knows if that's really true.

557
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Well, apparently one of his friends who was there said no,

558
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't true.

559
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: He was never kidnapped.

560
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: But the contract basically said there was a contract that said,

561
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: you have forty eight hours to marry a black woman, yeah,

562
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: or you die yeah.

563
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: And whatever it was.

564
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: Whatever, whether there was an actual contract, whether it wor

565
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: just got to him that there was, it didn't matter

566
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: to Sammy Davis Junior at that minute, because he broke

567
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: it off with Kim Novak.

568
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: To his own heart's break and.

569
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: Married a woman.

570
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, proposed to a woman named laure White who she

571
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: was a black singer, and I think they had dated

572
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: years before. And I guess he never copped to the

573
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: to the idea that it was an arranged marriage that

574
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: was basically a business proposal, But that is definitely how

575
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: it's portrayed by the people who were there at the

576
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: time were his close friends that he even paid her

577
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars to do this, and I'm sure it

578
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: was very you know, kind and congenial to it. But

579
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: they described that day. His wedding day to Laura White

580
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: is probably the worst day of his life, tied for

581
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: first with the day that he lost his left eye.

582
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he you know, we can't look over some

583
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: of the ugly parts of that day. He got drunk

584
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: and physically assaulted her in the car just after the

585
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: wedding reception. Not making any excuses for the guy, but

586
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: it was certainly not right to do that.

587
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: Right, So their marriage didn't last terribly long. I didn't

588
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: see how long it lasted, did you.

589
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little every year.

590
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so about a year, and I guess he considered

591
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: that the heat had gone down or whatever by that time.

592
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: But I get the impression that the fact that Kim

593
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: Novak had been taken from him strictly out of racism.

594
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: Like Harry Cohne, I'm sure was a racist, but he

595
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: was also a businessman, and the reason that he was

596
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: doing this was because he knew America was racist. This

597
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: is at a time when there were laws that prevented

598
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: black men and white women or vice versa.

599
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: To marry.

600
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't legal yet.

601
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: No, So the idea of one of his biggest stars,

602
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: Kim Novak, marrying a black man. He decided that he

603
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: just couldn't take that risk business wise, and so he

604
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: threatened Sammy Davis Junior. Whatever the reason was, Sammy Davis

605
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Junior really bristled under that. And so in nineteen sixty,

606
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: this was a few years after the he had to

607
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: break it off with kim Novak, he got married to

608
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: a woman, a Swedish actress named my brit and he

609
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: had children with her and was married to her, but

610
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: he also ran around on her almost constantly. From what

611
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: I understand, and you get the impression that my was

612
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: in part A, I'll just put it as PG as possible,

613
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: thumbing his nose at all of the racists out there

614
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: who took kim Novak from him. He was saying, I think,

615
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: as somebody put it, I'm big enough now that you

616
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: can't tell me who to marry. And I'm going to

617
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: marry this beautiful six foot white woman.

618
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, who looks like Margo Robie sort of she does, Yeah,

619
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: she does.

620
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: A little bit.

621
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: I hadn't put my finger on it. And their children

622
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: were incredibly beautiful, thanks largely to their mom too, but

623
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: they were They had three kids together, and they were

624
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: married for eight years and I think it's very sad

625
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: because my Britt immediately lost her career. Yeah, so she

626
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: gave up her career to be with Sammy Davis Junior.

627
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I she must have fallen in love

628
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: with them, and because she had three kids with him too.

629
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: But she gave up a lot and he gave up nothing.

630
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: And I think that was very unfair on his part

631
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: to ask for what he asked for from her and

632
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: give so little in return.

633
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. And what was also not fair and sort of

634
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: a black eye on John F. Kennedy was that Sammy

635
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: Davis Junior had been scheduled to perform at the nineteen

636
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: sixty inauguration and he disinvited him because of his marriage

637
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: to a white woman.

638
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy personally had him disinvited. This wasn't Kennedy's advisors or

639
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: anything like that.

640
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: No, it was him, and he said, you know, apparently

641
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: people said he you know, it was a political move

642
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: because he didn't want to alienate Southern Democrats. But either way,

643
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: that was a big fracturing of the relationship between JFK

644
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: and Sammy Davis Junior. He never got over that.

645
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: No, he never did.

646
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: And it was also a moment where Sinatra, who had

647
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: stood up for Sammy Davis Junior multiple countless times against racists,

648
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: against studio heads, against the record company executives, against all

649
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: sorts of people, didn't.

650
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: He did not stand up.

651
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: And argue and try to persuade JFK to change his mind.

652
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: He just quietly went along with it. And I think

653
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: that broke Sammy Davis Junior's part as much as JFK

654
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: betraying him, and probably even more because he expected more

655
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: from from Frank than he did from Kennedy. And the

656
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: other thing about Kennedy rescinding that invitation, Harry Belifani's invitation

657
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: wasn't rescinded, and Harry Belifani was married to a white

658
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: woman and was there with his white wife at this

659
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: inauguration party. So Sammy Davis Junior couldn't help but take

660
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: it personally, and he really did.

661
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a big It.

662
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Was a big deal, a big moment in his life,

663
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: in a very sad moment, and a lot of people

664
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: think that it led to him later on embracing, probably

665
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: ill advisedly, the Nixon campaign in the early seventies.

666
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: That's right, you want to take a break.

667
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a break, and we'll talk a little

668
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: bit about his work in the civil rights movement right

669
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: up to.

670
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: This softly jawsh.

671
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Sof this cat is interesting, man, right, I don't know

672
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: if everybody's picking up on it.

673
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: Did you know this before? Because this is your pick.

674
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, I've always been pretty fascinated with him

675
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: because we haven't even gotten to the super weird and

676
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: interesting stuff, yeah, right, which happens in the seventies. So

677
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: in the sixties is when, and possibly because of the

678
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: JFK treatment, is when he really starts to get more

679
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: socially aware, starts donating money to the cause, and marches

680
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: at SELMA for the civil rights efforts. He when he

681
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: supported Nixon, it was not just a thumbing of the

682
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: nose at Kennedy, but he bought into Nixon and thought

683
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: that it was going to be a good choice for

684
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: black America. He regretted that later on, of course, but

685
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't just a poopy pants move like, hey, well,

686
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to support Nixon now because you disinvited.

687
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: Me, exactly.

688
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: And so one of the other reasons that he embraced

689
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Nixon was that Nixon embraced him as a human being

690
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: and really stood in stark contrast to the treatment he

691
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: received from Kennedy, and in that Nixon actually seemed to

692
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: really like Sammy Davis Junior, that a lot of people

693
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: are like. The Nixon administration was just using Sammy Davis

694
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Junior at the same time, using what's called the Southern strategy,

695
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: which is they were stoking racism among Southern whites to

696
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: get them to turn on the Democrats. But he also

697
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: apparently really did like Sammy Davis Junior and admired him,

698
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: and under Nixon's administration, it tastes like bitter acid saying this.

699
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: Sammy Davis Junior became the first black person to sleep

700
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: in the Lincoln bedroom, and apparently Sammy Davis Junior was

701
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: an avid Lincoln fan, and sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom

702
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: with some of Abraham Lincoln and Mary Todd Lincoln's personal

703
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: effects in.

704
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: This room just blew him away.

705
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure.

706
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: And that was actually how he ended up in Vietnam

707
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: doing this USO tour in nineteen seventy two. He said,

708
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: what can I do to help? And Nixon said that

709
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: would probably that would probably help a lot, But that

710
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: just contributed even further to his alienation from not just

711
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: black people, but young black people too, because it was

712
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: a really tone deaf move as I saw it described

713
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: at the time, that was not the kind of thing

714
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: you did. Vietnam was so unpopular that even the troops

715
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: weren't particularly supported at home. You know, it's not like

716
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: today where it's like, you know, we really really hate this,

717
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, these endless wars.

718
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: This is we really disagree.

719
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: With the you know, the hawks and the military industrial

720
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: complex that supports us. But we're still going to be

721
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: supportive of the troops who have to go there, who

722
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: are over there, whether by their own choice or well,

723
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: I guess it's all volunteer army, they still deserve support

724
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: these individuals over there overseas. That was not necessarily how

725
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: it was during the Vietnam era. So Sammy Davis Junior

726
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: going over there to support the troops after embracing the

727
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: Nixon administration really.

728
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: Furthered.

729
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: This rift between him and the black community, which and

730
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've really said this enough, was

731
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: fair and unjust because he was a fervent supporter of

732
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: the civil rights movement during the fifties and sixties. Yeah,

733
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean fervent, like he marched in Selma with Martin

734
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior, Scared to death apparently, but he still

735
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: went and he still did it. He contributed a ton

736
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: of money to the civil rights movement. He was he

737
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: was legit, for sure. But he also was, you know,

738
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: friends with Richard Nixon. So one kind of one kind

739
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: of tarnishes the other, you know.

740
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 2: For sure. So in the sixties he is blown up.

741
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: He's everywhere. He's on stage, he's recording records, he's on TV,

742
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: he's doing celebrity roast, he's on Broadway, he's writing books,

743
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: he's doing the Gunslinger thing. He's making a lot of

744
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: money at this point and starts spending a lot of

745
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: money because he came from nothing. Like we said, this

746
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: is when the rat pack thing really heats up. And

747
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: he's hanging out with Joey Bishop, Peter Lawfer, Dean Martin

748
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: and of course the Chairman and started their first movie together,

749
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: which was Ocean's Eleven. Not a great movie. Oh disagree,

750
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: I don't. I think the original's not very good.

751
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: Oh I liked it.

752
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: I thought the remake was great, but did not care

753
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: for the original.

754
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 3: The original. Yeah, hanging seen Robin in the seven Hoods.

755
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, also not great. I don't think the Ratpeck ever

756
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: made a great movie. Okay, that's just my opinion.

757
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: What about Time Bandits fantastic? Okay.

758
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: They were hanging out at the Coconut Grove in the

759
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: Ambassador Hotel, which is a place that I have a

760
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: neat little quick story did a commercial shoot there before

761
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: they tore it down. And it was, you know, an

762
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: empty hotel at this point that they just used for

763
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: movie shoots. And it was an overnight thing, and like

764
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: two in the morning, I was working in the art department.

765
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 2: They said, here, you need to go assemble all these

766
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: flag that we're going to hang. And they said, just

767
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: go in the in the Coconut Grove and do it

768
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: because there's plenty of room in there. And I went

769
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: in there all by myself, sitting in cocaine in the

770
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,479
Speaker 2: the dusty old shadows of what was once the Great

771
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: Coconut Grove, and uh, for like an hour and a

772
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: half by myself, like sitting in a booth that the

773
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: rat Pack might have sat in.

774
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing, really pretty neat.

775
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: And later that night got to go see where Bob

776
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: Kennedy was shot.

777
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: Oh, that's where he was shot Yeah in the Ambassador Hotel.

778
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the kitchen, and one of the got the

779
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: overnight security guy. It was just sort of one of

780
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: those slow shoots. He was like to me and my friend,

781
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: He's like, you want to go down in the kitchen.

782
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: It's where it happened. And we went, oh yeah, wow,

783
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: that's amazing. It was super cool and creepy.

784
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: Wow. So anyway, great story.

785
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 2: Charge they're hanging out with the rat Pack, and this

786
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: is where it gets a little like dodgy because the

787
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: rat Pack they were all best buds. They genuinely loved

788
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: each other. But when you look at their old stick,

789
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: there is a lot of sort of racial joking about Sammy.

790
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 2: It's all in good fun, but there were often jokes

791
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: made about him being black, being the only black member.

792
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: Dean Martin one of his famous jokes was he would

793
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: pick little Sammy up on stage because Dean was a

794
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: big guy and Sammy was small and thank the audience

795
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: for the n double ACP Award. So stuff like that.

796
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: So in that documentary, and I'm not like justifying that

797
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: at all, but in that documentary, what p be Goldberg

798
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: is like, you know, you can you could take any

799
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: segment of their show and be like this was really offensive.

800
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: Sure Italians or alcoholics, or women, or black people or Jews,

801
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: and she said they went hard on everybody. But from

802
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: what I understand, at least as far as Sammy was concerned,

803
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: he wasn't secretly didn't secretly have a chip on his

804
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: shoulder and he had to just put up with this

805
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: to be a member of the rat pack. He seemed

806
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: to really not like he didn't take it as if

807
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: they were being hostile or cruel, that it was just

808
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: part of the act and that's how he took it.

809
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was certainly a different time. I

810
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: mean there was for sure no doubting about it that

811
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: back then you could make jokes about all kinds of

812
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: things that you can't joke about now.

813
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, it's not like I used to

814
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: hang out with Sammy Davis Junior and had like quiet

815
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: talks with him or whatever. So it is possible that

816
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: he did, you know, harbor resentment from it, but that's

817
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: not the impresson that I have from the research.

818
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: That I've done.

819
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, Josh.

820
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Right, But apparently no one did, because this is a

821
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: really bizarre thing about him when he was talking about

822
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: converting to Judaism. I think in like a nineteen sixty

823
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: six Playboy interview he was talking about losing his eye

824
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: and then you know, converting to Judaism, and that it

825
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: happened during a period of soul searching, and that he

826
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: did all this and went through all this even though

827
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: he was convalescing at Frank Sinatra's house, even though apparently

828
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Jerry Lewis spent seven days at his bedside when he

829
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: was in the hospital, had all these tele Graham's coming in,

830
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: all this outpouring of support. He considered himself alone and

831
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: that he was a loaner, and that that was that's

832
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: really bizarre when you step back and look at that,

833
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: because Sammy Davis Junior always had friends. He was always

834
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: the life of the party. He was always a good guy.

835
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to be around him. He was always having fun.

836
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: But he considered himself a loner. And apparently he didn't

837
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: let people in. So even if I had been hanging

838
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: around with him, he probably wouldn't have had that conversation

839
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: with me.

840
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, Like, Sammy, I don't feel like I know they're real.

841
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: You come on, Sammy, let.

842
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: It, and he said, that's by design, babe.

843
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm tripping or something right now.

844
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 2: So his career is booming in the sixties and into

845
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: the seventies, and the result of that, of course, well

846
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: through the sixties I guess, is that he's not around much.

847
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: He had a lot of regrets about not being around

848
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: as a father, as a husband. He was flandering, he

849
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: was drinking a lot, he was using drugs. So in

850
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight he got divorced. In nineteen seventy, he

851
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: married a woman named Altaviz Gore who was eighteen years

852
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: his junior. Great name, backup dancer. His children did not

853
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: like the fact that she was so much younger, but

854
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: they were stayed married, you know, for the rest of

855
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 2: his life.

856
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

857
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, if you got a problem with her,

858
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: you should probably not know about everything else I'm doing.

859
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's where it gets really interesting, very interesting.

860
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: Sammy Davis Junior had a convergence of two interests. In

861
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: the seventies. He became a member of the Church of Satan.

862
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: He was an honorary warlock.

863
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: And he got really really into porn and porn you know,

864
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: there's no better way to say it than he was

865
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: a swinger. He was in orgies. He participated in Satanic orgies.

866
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that was actually I don't know if it

867
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: was his first orgy or not, but that that's how

868
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: he became a part of involved in the Church of Satan,

869
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, like the original Church of Satan with Anton

870
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: Levey there and everything.

871
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: Like the real good, like right back with Golden Ears

872
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: of Church of Satan exactly.

873
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: He went and participated in a Satanic orgy.

874
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: Sammy Davis Junior, which I think is like.

875
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: A regular orgy, but with just more like red candles.

876
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and pentagrams and black robes and stuff like that.

877
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: But then the black robes come off, but I think

878
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: the pentagrams stay on. But he I read this really

879
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: interesting Vice article about it, and he was apparently at

880
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: the first one, and this would have been in the

881
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: late sixties, and somebody in a hood is trying to

882
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: get his attention, and it turns out he lifts the

883
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: hood and it's his barber is Barbara J. S.

884
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: Bring.

885
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: He would later be killed with Sharon Tate by the

886
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: Manson family. But he was basically like, hey, Sam, it's

887
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: me Jay, how are you doing.

888
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: In this awesome, and then they went back to They're

889
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: coming Yeah.

890
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he yeah, he was hugely in the in

891
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: the pornography he was and the Orgies into swinging.

892
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 3: He was. He loved cocaine and loved drinking.

893
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: I saw our Sineo interview with him, must have been

894
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: very shortly before his death, where he's like, you know,

895
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: I had to give everything up, uh, and I don't

896
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: miss all the other stuff, but I miss booze, I

897
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: miss whiskey, I miss wodka.

898
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: I love that stuff.

899
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: But then I also saw another interview where he basically

900
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: said the same thing to Larry King, like I've given

901
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: everything up, I don't smoke anymore, or anything like that.

902
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: And then somebody went backstage and there's Sammy Davis Junior

903
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette, drinking a brand and he goes, Sammy,

904
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: what are you doing. You just told Larry King that

905
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: he gave all this up. He's like, I'm I plan to.

906
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: So who knows what he actually gave up or didn't do,

907
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: but his whole jam was I want to experience every

908
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: possible human experience I can, and I approach all this

909
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: stuff without judgment. Yeah, which is how he ended up

910
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: becoming involved in the Church of Satan, which went.

911
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: On, yeah, no judgment here. If that's his bag, it's

912
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: not hurting anybody. Did you see the one quote about

913
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: the the ritual with the lady who was tied to

914
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: the bed.

915
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: Where he decided like it was okay.

916
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was talking about it and he was like

917
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: that chick was loving it. Man, Right, Well, I won't

918
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: say the rest of the quote, but do you.

919
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: Remember, Yeah, I remember, I remember.

920
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: So all of this led to what we were talking

921
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: about earlier. This this TV pilot that is legendary in

922
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: Hollywood as one of the weirdest, worst things that Hollywood

923
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: has ever produced. And it was a pilot for a

924
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: TV show in nineteen seventy three called Poor Devil, which

925
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: was about a man who was a load load down

926
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: on the totem pole or I guess high on.

927
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: The totem pole.

928
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: Sure, Cole shoveler in Hell, who has offered the chance

929
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: to work his way up the ranks in Hell if

930
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: he can get the soul of Jack Klugman, a living

931
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: white man on.

932
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: Earth, right, Jack Klugman, Quincy, MD.

933
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is on YouTube, and dude, it is amazing.

934
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: I have not had a chance to see it. I

935
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: can't wait to see it, but it sounds amazing. I

936
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: saw it described as like he's a reverse Clearance from

937
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life, which you wouldn't possibly understand that. Yeah, sure,

938
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: but just imagine that somebody's not trying to get you

939
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: to be good so that they can or understand how

940
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: great life is. He's trying to get him to follow

941
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: his most bitter revenge impulses and stuff like that. But

942
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: at one point, apparently Jack Klugman wants to get in

943
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: touch with Sammy Davis Junior the Devil, and is like, oh,

944
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I know, I'll call the Church of Satan downtown. They'll

945
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: know how to get in touch with them. And the

946
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: Church of Satan went because apparently the pilot was aired

947
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: and they were all about Sammy d At this point,

948
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: they made him an honorary war law.

949
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

950
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 1: He used to flash like the devil horns at them

951
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: from stage when he would love San.

952
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: Francisco, honey. Yeah. Christopher Lee, by the way, played the Devil,

953
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: which is pretty on the noes but perfect. Yeah, so

954
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't succeed, obviously, it's terrible. The seventies and the

955
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: eighties his star starts to fade a little bit. He's

956
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: still around. Of course, he was on All in the

957
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: Family in a very famous episode where he kissed Archie

958
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: Bunker on the lips. He was we have to talk

959
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: about the great great Cannonball Run.

960
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was in that, wasn't he.

961
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: Man? He and Dean were for partners. They played I

962
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: forgot about. They dressed up as priests, that's right, heavily drinking,

963
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: smoking priests. They played themselves basically as priests who wanted

964
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: to drive fast.

965
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: That's pretty great.

966
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: But you know, even though we revere that film, I

967
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: don't think it was looked at generally as one of

968
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: the big highlights of his career.

969
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sure not. By this time. He's kitchy Sammy.

970
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: From what I understand, like he was fine with that

971
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: as long as he was working.

972
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 3: He was okay.

973
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: Because I said earlier that like he had a certain

974
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: affiliation with that song Mister Bojangles. Yes where if you

975
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: listen to it, it's about an old performer who's washed

976
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: up and has been washed up for years, and he's

977
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: still drinking and just doing you know, he's been reduced

978
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: to doing basically sidewalk performances, and apparently Sammy was scared

979
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: to death about that being his future. So even just

980
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: doing what he was doing with Dean and Cannonball Run,

981
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was just fine in his in his

982
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: mind because he was still working and performing.

983
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: Of course, he looks around and there's there's Burt Man,

984
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 2: there's Adrian Barbo.

985
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: Was.

986
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: You're digging the Sammy now, aren't you.

987
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: Yes, Sude, I think Sammy needs to be a recurring

988
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: character from now on.

989
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: In episode We'll see, We'll see, okay, the new hippie rob.

990
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: So in the eighties, he gets into some financial trouble,

991
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: to say the least, because I love how I had

992
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: put it. He'd been struggling with tax payments since the

993
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties. I think it was a Willie Nelson sort

994
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 2: of deal from what I could gather. Oh yeah, yeah,

995
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: I mean I think he wasn't really paying his taxes.

996
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, And apparently he'd also I don't know if

997
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: he got bad tax advice or what, but he had

998
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: claimed some very extravagant stuff as a write off, and

999
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: the IRS came back and said, Nope, that doesn't count.

1000
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: You also owe on that. And his estate was worth

1001
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: or his net assets were worth about four million, but

1002
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: he owed about seven million cheese. And he was a

1003
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: profligate spender of money. I saw one interview once where

1004
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: a guy said that he walked six blocks.

1005
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: In New York with them.

1006
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: He even named the streets, So it seems like he

1007
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: really did just walk six blocks and dropped fifty thousand

1008
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: dollars along the way, stopping in different stores.

1009
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: I thought, you dropped that out of his pocket on

1010
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 2: the street.

1011
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 3: No, no buying stuff, just buy by buy.

1012
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: He had to spend it because he had come from

1013
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: nothing and he knew, you know, that thrill of spending money.

1014
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: He was terrible with his money, and so he as

1015
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: he found out he owed seven million dollars, he started

1016
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: to organize some shows and specials to try to raise

1017
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: some money to help him pay off this debt. And

1018
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: after the first one, I think in nineteen eighty nine,

1019
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: he found that he had a sore throat, so he

1020
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: went to the doctor and ultimately was diagnosed with throat cancer.

1021
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, after that very first show, that's like such cruel

1022
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: irony to raise all this money. Because when he passed

1023
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: away in nineteen ninety in May sixteenth of cancer, he

1024
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: left that tax bill to his wife like that that

1025
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: carried over, yeah, Altavius. Yeah, so that really left her

1026
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: kind of destitute for the rest of her life as well.

1027
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.

1028
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean like she then she basically owed three million

1029
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: dollars and his estate was sold off like basically at

1030
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: a yard sale auction. All of his stuff was And yeah,

1031
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: that was the negative part of his legacy, was that

1032
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: text at leaving that behind.

1033
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, in one way, it's like kind

1034
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: of a sad ending with the financial stuff and obviously

1035
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: dying way too young of cancer.

1036
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, sixty five man, he did.

1037
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: Accomplish everything he set out to accomplish. He showed everybody

1038
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: who said this diminutive, little mixed race, kind of funny

1039
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: looking guy is never going to amount to anything. And

1040
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: he had a lifelong career from the age of three

1041
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: to sixty five in show business.

1042
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: And one of the things Chuck is he did not

1043
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: really harbor regret. He apparently whenever he talked about his life,

1044
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: he talked about it with great satisfaction, which is pretty reassuring.

1045
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that quote on that Letterman show was great. Yeah,

1046
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: on the eighty five episode, he's talking about the younger generation,

1047
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: and he said, I look at the young performers today

1048
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: and I go like this, Yeah, man, go ahead, cook,

1049
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: I've been there. That's it man, I have no envy.

1050
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 2: I did it all. Yeah, pretty great, Go ahead, cook,

1051
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: that's great.

1052
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: Sammy Davis Junior. Everybody, round of applause. You got anything else?

1053
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: Got nothing else?

1054
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about Sammy Davis Junior,

1055
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: just start watching some of his old performances.

1056
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: They're pretty amazing. Uh.

1057
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: And while you're doing that, we're going to just move

1058
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: on ahead to listener mail.

1059
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is about the nine to one to one

1060
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: pizza thing. We heard from a lot of uh nine

1061
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 2: one one people.

1062
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad that you you picked one of these men.

1063
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: This is good.

1064
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: Hey, while we are not specifically trained, just send ems

1065
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: to calls where people pretend to order a pizza. Most

1066
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: nine one one dispatchers will in fact ask you, this

1067
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: is nine one one? Did you dial the wrong number?

1068
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: And if they respond no, we will then say are

1069
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: you in a situation where you can't ask for help?

1070
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: And then they can say yes or no. Obviously, there

1071
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: are many stories of this working out. Most in domestic

1072
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: violence are kidnapping situations. So even though it is a

1073
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: protocol necessarily or set in stone as a way to

1074
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: ask for help, it could help many people in bad situations.

1075
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: We will not just hang up on you. Even if

1076
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: you keep ordering a pizza and do not acknowledge that

1077
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: you need help. Most will still send out law enforcement

1078
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: for a welfare check due to the suspicious nature of

1079
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: the call.

1080
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear this.

1081
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, please let this be known because in a last

1082
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: ditch effort, this may save someone's life.

1083
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: And that yeah is.

1084
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: From responder Brooke Diane.

1085
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: Thanks Brooke, and thank you also not for being like Josh.

1086
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: Was wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

1087
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: Oh I don't remember did you say that's not true?

1088
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said specifically it's an urban legend.

1089
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I don't even remember that.

1090
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1091
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: So I was really glad when people started writing I'm

1092
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: glad you picked one to say like, no.

1093
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: This is this is for real.

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