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Speaker 3: Sixty one year old man?
Speaker 2: Wow, oh, I'm crying all right right here, Brian.
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Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: That was a good, good laugh to start.
Speaker 3: Your boss looked at you. What do you know about that?
Speaker 5: I'm literally crying right now. Well, okay, cowboy.
Speaker 4: How many pieces you got now that you're trying to like,
Speaker 4: I don't even say get rid of, but you're trying
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Speaker 3: She's got some really good cowboy pieces too.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I I have some hanging around the house,
Speaker 5: and I rid of.
Speaker 4: If someone wanted to buy it, Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: At the right price, right, But no, I still have
Speaker 5: quite a few. I just thought I should probably start
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Speaker 5: It was like since before that was the one and
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Speaker 4: Thought it was cool. The first time I ever went
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Speaker 5: It was a lot of work put into it, so.
Speaker 3: Booze it up. Thought art shows are right, stand around,
Speaker 3: talk about it and.
Speaker 5: Drink Hey, you hooked me up with some wine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben Glazier, Yeah, good deal.
Speaker 4: All right, let's let's talk some Cowboys for ball. We're
Speaker 4: gonna talk about We got to catch up on some injuries.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys that although there was
Speaker 4: no official injury report yesterday, there were lots of reports
Speaker 4: that were coming out about different guys and where they
Speaker 4: are as far as injuries are concerned. Then we'll get
Speaker 4: into some discussions on the Cincinnati defense versus the Cowboys offense.
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Speaker 5: Sure we are full of jokes today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, Okay, let's it.
Speaker 3: We'll just ring for forty five minutes. Let's go. Let's go.
Speaker 4: Let's catch up on some of these injuries. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: throw out a name. You guys tell what you've heard
Speaker 4: about them. Where with the where are we with DeMarcus Lawrence?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Does not sound like he's gonna go this week.
Speaker 7: He did not have his practice window activated yesterday he
Speaker 7: would have needed that, but continuing rehab work this week
Speaker 7: and we'll probably be revisiting that come come Tuesday or Wednesday.
Speaker 4: All right, Zach Martin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was. It's funny real quick. I
Speaker 3: mean I was just happened to be walking down the
Speaker 3: hallway and looked out there and just took it, you know,
Speaker 3: seeing how the weather was, and he happened to be
Speaker 3: working out. But there was some good work. I mean
Speaker 3: he it was Britt Brown and him are getting after.
Speaker 3: Britt will get after. We all know that. Yeah, so,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I was, man, I just from a scouting evaluation.
Speaker 3: I was really encouraged by the things that Britt was
Speaker 3: kind of having Tom do as I was walking and
Speaker 3: was watching the lateral drills and stuff like that. It
Speaker 3: was very, very very promising though.
Speaker 4: All right, Zach Martin.
Speaker 7: Zach Martin, it looks like they're just getting him back
Speaker 7: on schedule. He did not practice yesterday, but taking that
Speaker 7: veteran day as I think they're going to try to
Speaker 7: be as as cautious as possible with him for the
Speaker 7: rest of the season, and rightfully so. Yesterday was a
Speaker 7: walk through, so it was very light day, so there
Speaker 7: was no reason to put Zach out there. Today will
Speaker 7: be the big threshold for Zach Martin, but I think
Speaker 7: he's gonna be ready to go Monday.
Speaker 5: Nominated for Men of the Year award.
Speaker 4: Sure did did outstanding achievement for him, As it is
Speaker 4: for all the different teams they put out. Every team
Speaker 4: will have one nominee from their roster that then makes
Speaker 4: it to one of the thirty two and then they'll
Speaker 4: have one winner for the entire league. So Cowboys have
Speaker 4: now four or three.
Speaker 3: Four three three, Roger Staubach, Troy Aman, Uh and then
Speaker 3: Dak And when Chase went won, Chase went, Chase.
Speaker 4: Went yeah, yeah, Okay, it's right.
Speaker 3: Four yeah, so Starbuck eight, Men, Witten, Dak got it.
Speaker 4: So they have four right now and Uh and Zach
Speaker 4: Martin is the nominee for this year. All right, cool,
Speaker 4: let's talk about Trayvon Trayvon Dick.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I do walk by it. Really, That's the only
Speaker 3: reason I knew. I walked by it every day, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh there, Okay, Okay, Yeah, Uh, the fact
Speaker 3: that he practiced I think was encouraging or they mock game.
Speaker 3: You know, I got fooled by that one time, the
Speaker 3: old mock game, you know, thinking it was really a game,
Speaker 3: not it's it's bucket hats and shorts, but.
Speaker 2: Mock underware Olympics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was encouraged. Yeah, they did mock me.
Speaker 3: It was encouraging though that.
Speaker 5: He was part of that.
Speaker 3: So keeping an eye on there, keeping an eye on
Speaker 3: that one. But they the fact that he at least
Speaker 3: has been at least he was part of that was
Speaker 3: something that they say that that was a step in
Speaker 3: the right direction because they have the extra day.
Speaker 4: Honestly, of all these names, that's the one that I
Speaker 4: think is most critical this weekend. Obviously with the matchups
Speaker 4: you got there on the outside, getting Trayvon Dicks back
Speaker 4: will be huge I think for this week.
Speaker 7: Yeah, speaking of the cornerback position, they signed two guys
Speaker 7: to the practice squad yesterday and Dee Delaney and Troy Pride.
Speaker 7: Both of those guys have been in the league roughly
Speaker 7: five six years. They worked at Xavier Howard, the former
Speaker 7: All Pro for the Miami Dolphins, sounds that sounds like
Speaker 7: a situation where the price would be a little too
Speaker 7: high to to justify keeping him around for only five weeks.
Speaker 7: And it's not like there's a roster spot available, more
Speaker 7: so a practice squad spot.
Speaker 4: So all right, catch me up on Amani or a war.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he was had his practice window activated yesterday
Speaker 7: back on the practice field and was he was. He
Speaker 7: was moving around, you know, just like anyone else during
Speaker 7: the Mott game. But not really sure as far as
Speaker 7: availability goes. But that is a corner spot that they
Speaker 7: will need with with Josh Butler going down, Kayln Carson's
Speaker 7: gone on ir so it's kind of being left to
Speaker 7: Keemon hall Amni or a warrier if he can make
Speaker 7: it back, to try and figure out that other corner
Speaker 7: spot opposite of Deron Bland if if Dix can't go,
Speaker 7: or if they need someone to come in in the
Speaker 7: event of injury.
Speaker 4: Right even if Diggs can go, you're gonna need that
Speaker 4: other guy just to yeah, just have safety, some safety
Speaker 4: in case in case of injury.
Speaker 7: And also is Roe mkwamam I keep forgetting to factor
Speaker 7: him and he's just kind of that chess piece you
Speaker 7: can move around in the secondary.
Speaker 4: And he hasn't been bad either.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think what he is like.
Speaker 4: He is a he's a guy's kind of a twiner
Speaker 4: between corner and safety. But I think he's been fine
Speaker 4: at the at the corner position. As much as they've
Speaker 4: had to play him.
Speaker 7: I'm surprised they haven't valued him more, and not to
Speaker 7: say that maybe they've just valued maybe that's the wrong word.
Speaker 7: I used him more, just because he is so versatile.
Speaker 7: We've seen him play multiple roles. We've seen him play
Speaker 7: nickel outside safety when dan Quinn was here, we saw
Speaker 7: him play in that kind of rover safety role that
Speaker 7: jen Ron Curse got used to playing in. He's a
Speaker 7: very versatile defender and he's good. He's a good defender.
Speaker 7: It's not like he's a liability out there. I think
Speaker 7: there's been times in the past where you put that
Speaker 7: depth corner out there, you put that depth dB up there,
Speaker 7: and you're like, oh, boy, hold on to your breeches.
Speaker 7: But this isn't I don't think it Israel mcwamu was
Speaker 7: one of those situations.
Speaker 3: The fact that he plays well enough in the nickel
Speaker 3: at a slot and they could put Lewis on the
Speaker 3: outside should tell you something a little bit, yep, because
Speaker 3: usually trying to move Lewis out of the slot is
Speaker 3: something you probably don't want to do very much. But
Speaker 3: they've they've found a way though with mcwalmu to play
Speaker 3: him inside a little bit and him be okay, and
Speaker 3: that's allowed Lewis to play on the outside, which you know,
Speaker 3: me personally, I hadn't seen Lewis play on the outside
Speaker 3: since the Michigan days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I know, it's really wild to me.
Speaker 3: And you know, all of a sudden, Glenn like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're seeing your guy out, You're seeing him, You're seeing
Speaker 3: number two outside, and you're like, okay, they're doing this
Speaker 3: just because they're really really banged up, but it's actually
Speaker 3: kind of become something that they can go to. It's
Speaker 3: a little bit of a change. Lewis playing on the outside.
Speaker 3: It seems like they're trying to attack him with a
Speaker 3: vertical ball and he's like well, and you know, well
Speaker 3: in step and hanging in there and so yeah, it's
Speaker 3: but I think that says something about mccuamu because me personally,
Speaker 3: if I was a coach, I'd never moved Jordan Lewis
Speaker 3: out of the slot. Just wouldn't do it. He's just
Speaker 3: too good at that spot. But they've they've kind of
Speaker 3: figured it out.
Speaker 4: As much as you guys evaluate talent for the draft show,
Speaker 4: give me like it seems to me like the body
Speaker 4: type of somebody like mccuam who typically doesn't do well
Speaker 4: in the slot. Is that an accurate statement.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it just takes that typically happened like that's that
Speaker 7: seems rare. It takes those guys longer to move their bodies,
Speaker 7: and that you have to be able to move quickly
Speaker 7: in the slot. You have to be able to carry
Speaker 7: the field. Yeah, you got so that Bean Beyonce hips that.
Speaker 2: Pretty quick flexibility. Anyway, I would have gone with Shakura
Speaker 2: either or either or.
Speaker 4: Like I never know, I gotta go. Look now, I
Speaker 4: didn't realize she did.
Speaker 2: Their hips that this is this is Houston people.
Speaker 4: You know, people can't they're talking about No, it's not
Speaker 4: that it's like I just that's not something I've ever
Speaker 4: really heard about her.
Speaker 3: But I'm just I'll go.
Speaker 4: Check it out.
Speaker 3: Do you feel.
Speaker 4: That I'm not saying I'm gonna do anything.
Speaker 5: I just want to see.
Speaker 4: Anyway, we're off the subject to get back to the subject.
Speaker 4: But that is I guess my point is with that
Speaker 4: body type, is that tell you like he has a
Speaker 4: little rare, rare ability there as a leggy guy. As
Speaker 4: you mentioned.
Speaker 3: See, that's that's the problem ideally what you do when
Speaker 3: you have tall guys. And Will Johnson, who will talk
Speaker 3: about from Michigan is another one of these guys. It's
Speaker 3: one of the highly rated corners. He's six two. People
Speaker 3: will say, oh, he's a little bit leggy in his turn,
Speaker 3: meaning it takes him when he pedals and then has
Speaker 3: to turn. It takes in that to have to pick
Speaker 3: up his leg instead of just flipping, you have to
Speaker 3: pick it up and then get it go in the
Speaker 3: right direction. So that's what that's what happens a little
Speaker 3: bit what they talk about with Micuamu. He's a little
Speaker 3: bit he's able to kind of stay in balance and
Speaker 3: then turn quickly to get to where he needs to be.
Speaker 3: So he's not as leggy as your normal six '
Speaker 3: two six y three type corners that.
Speaker 4: You see just another reason why it is a travesty
Speaker 4: that Darren Woodson ain't in the Hall of Fame yet
Speaker 4: at his size, not only leggy, but just a big
Speaker 4: guy to be able to play the slot the way
Speaker 4: he did for all those years. I mean, it's amazing
Speaker 4: to me. He's not in the Hall of Fame. But
Speaker 4: hopefully this is his year.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 4: Let's let's hope. So, I mean, what's weird to me?
Speaker 3: I was at the super Bowl with him and his
Speaker 3: wife after the after he you know, it was the
Speaker 3: super Bowl. We were in Phoenix and he missed out again,
Speaker 3: and his wife and I we were both like cussing
Speaker 3: up a storm right there in the terminal there in
Speaker 3: Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport. We're just cussing, cussing, cussing about
Speaker 3: the thing. Darren walks up, like, what are you two doing?
Speaker 3: Just stop? Stop this, you know. I'm like, why it's
Speaker 3: a you know, and then I drop an F bomb
Speaker 3: and say something about, you know, why he should be
Speaker 3: I go, I was with Roy Butler he's not, you know,
Speaker 3: and I was going on and on and on. His
Speaker 3: wife's like, yeah, tell him, Brian, tell him what you know.
Speaker 3: But Darren's just like, man, just relax, both you relax.
Speaker 3: But that's Darren Woods who is That's I mean, he's
Speaker 3: not going to make it about him. And you know,
Speaker 3: I was getting more mad than he was and so,
Speaker 3: but that's the kind of guy he is. He just
Speaker 3: was like, Hey, it's fine, it'll be fine, don't worry
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, And I'm like, no, I want to
Speaker 3: worry about it, you know.
Speaker 4: But extremely high character person.
Speaker 3: Really high character. My favorite player I've ever been around,
Speaker 3: all the guys I've ever been around, my favorite player
Speaker 3: by far.
Speaker 4: Absolutely all right, get this up on Tyler Guiden. What
Speaker 4: are we hearing about him here?
Speaker 2: In high ankle sprain?
Speaker 8: There?
Speaker 2: I would expect you when you don't go to start
Speaker 2: on Sunday and that's.
Speaker 4: High ankle sprain? Is that it for him for this year?
Speaker 4: Because high ankle's brains take several weeks, right, Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: not easy.
Speaker 7: They're not putting him on on IR just yet. I mean,
Speaker 7: they haven't until Sunday just it would be still be Sunday,
Speaker 7: right because it would be the game a day before
Speaker 7: the game. They until Sunday to do that if they,
Speaker 7: if they feel it that's necessary. But yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 7: not happening this week.
Speaker 4: Definitely not Yeah, but definitely a high ankle sprain, not
Speaker 4: a regular ankle sprain. Or is that what we're just
Speaker 4: kind of it.
Speaker 3: Was very strange. It was very strange how he like
Speaker 3: he got injured and you watch it and it wasn't
Speaker 3: like he got rolled up on. It's almost like a
Speaker 3: basketball injury where he stepped on it, stepped on scoon
Speaker 3: Maker's foot and it kind of messed him up. But
Speaker 3: he didn't get you know, your there and knee and
Speaker 3: ankle and you you didn't see him get hit from
Speaker 3: the side or rolled up on. It was just like
Speaker 3: you know sometimes when a shooter goes up and they
Speaker 3: come down on a defender's foot in it there. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's kind of I think what happened to him. And
Speaker 3: then he tried to come back. They were playing with
Speaker 3: the doga. They kicked a field goal or an extra
Speaker 3: point and they had him in attack and he couldn't
Speaker 3: put any weight on the left foot, you know, and
Speaker 3: you're like going, okay, well now he has hurts, because
Speaker 3: you could tell he was favoring it. But it was
Speaker 3: a really strange injury for you know, it was usually
Speaker 3: these linemen get rolled up or you know, something happens
Speaker 3: when they get caught up, but this one wasn't that one.
Speaker 4: What are we hearing about? Ceedee Lamb Brandon Cooks. I
Speaker 4: don't think either were at the open part of practice.
Speaker 7: Yeah, as far as Cooks goes just continuing, he came
Speaker 7: out well after what was that last Thursday. The big
Speaker 7: break is going to help both of those guys. I
Speaker 7: think if CD was operating on a normal week, it
Speaker 7: probably would have been a lot closer for him. But this,
Speaker 7: this extended break's going to help him. Today's going to
Speaker 7: be a big indicator though, for both of those guys, really,
Speaker 7: but more so CD.
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Speaker 4: talk about the Cincinnati defense. A couple of things that
Speaker 4: stood out to me initially. They are twenty six. They
Speaker 4: have a twenty six ranked defense in the NFL. They
Speaker 4: are thirty thirty first in points allowed, but they're also
Speaker 4: thirtieth in sacks. They're not getting a lot of sounds
Speaker 4: with only twenty one when that being sick. That's what
Speaker 4: I was going to say. Who is the best pass
Speaker 4: rusher and what does he typically line up?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it feels like Trey Hendrickson is about eighty five
Speaker 7: percent of what their pass rushes and if he's not
Speaker 7: getting home, there's not a whole lot elsewhere. He's leaving
Speaker 7: the NFL with eleven and a half sacks, but everything
Speaker 7: else crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, eating NFL and the team is thirty first.
Speaker 7: And everyone else on the team he's nine and a
Speaker 7: half combined. So yeah, that that pass rush has not
Speaker 7: been a phenomenal. I've seen them line up more so
Speaker 7: from the right side. I'll find the snap counts on
Speaker 7: his right.
Speaker 4: Side, on the defensive their right side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every one of his socks has been from the
Speaker 3: right side. So my my gut feeling is it's a
Speaker 3: chumadoga day. And so that's.
Speaker 4: Talk to me about that matchup. What you've seen from Chuman,
Speaker 4: what you know Hendrix.
Speaker 3: This is where this is where Hendrickson kind of is
Speaker 3: a problem is because he is capable. Some of these
Speaker 3: guys are really good at just going outside outside, outside, outside.
Speaker 3: This guy does a really good job of setting you
Speaker 3: up and he's not a get way up the field rusher,
Speaker 3: and then you push him past the quarterback guy he is.
Speaker 2: He's he he.
Speaker 3: He kind of You could tell he does film study
Speaker 3: because he's rushing at the level of where the quarterback's playing.
Speaker 3: A lot of the time, like if a quarterback's a
Speaker 3: little bit deeper of a dropper, you could see he adjust.
Speaker 3: If he's a little bit more shallow in the pocket,
Speaker 3: you could see he's there. But he is going to
Speaker 3: do He's going to rush off how he feels the
Speaker 3: offensive tackles playing him So if a doga keeps white set, whiteset, whiteset,
Speaker 3: that thing's coming back inside. And he's strong enough and
Speaker 3: he's got this this technique. And I know, Nick, if
Speaker 3: you were saying when you watch him play hands, slap
Speaker 3: and grab and pushing power, like yeah, when you try
Speaker 3: and kind of sit when he when he's going to
Speaker 3: get the edge, it's the edge. When he's going to
Speaker 3: go inside, it's all power. He's like, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 3: to take you to the quarterback. The Raider game, I mean,
Speaker 3: he destroyed the Raiders. I think he had four sacks
Speaker 3: in the game. It was crazy. But the Raiders were
Speaker 3: struggling with their their left tackle spot and he just
Speaker 3: took advantage of that. So Adoca's got to be ready
Speaker 3: for that that he's going to always get to where
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush is going to be. Don't if you think
Speaker 3: you're going to push him past Heck, you might push
Speaker 3: him into Cooper Rush because you know most.
Speaker 4: Of you are going to be so flat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna be so flat, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you're pushing him thinking he's going to he's going to
Speaker 3: go by. Nah, you got to be You've got to
Speaker 3: make sure, you stay with him, you just can't shove
Speaker 3: him and hope that he's going to go to why
Speaker 3: But he's also got to worry about the inside rush.
Speaker 2: Here's the splits.
Speaker 7: He's played five hundred and sixty six snaps this season,
Speaker 7: he has only played four.
Speaker 2: On the left side of the defensive line.
Speaker 7: So yeah, this is a pretty clear where he's going
Speaker 7: to be. Yeah, yeah, I think I think of this one.
Speaker 7: This is the only guy I'm worried about on this defense.
Speaker 7: I would have said their linebacker and Logan Wilson, but
Speaker 7: they just lost him for the season. Coming into this week,
Speaker 7: they're gonna have some that they're gonna have some things
Speaker 7: to figure out in that second level. He was a
Speaker 7: really good run defender for them. But if I'm the
Speaker 7: Cowboys offense, i am leaning on Rico Dabdle. I'm giving
Speaker 7: him twenty twenty five carries and I'm saying, hey, you
Speaker 7: need to go win the time of possession battle because
Speaker 7: you need to keep the ball out of that offensive hands.
Speaker 7: If they can do that, then it's why the Bengals
Speaker 7: have had struggles this year is because this defense just
Speaker 7: stays on the field and it shortens the game.
Speaker 3: And Nick makes an excellent point because I was curious
Speaker 3: about their run defense. They're really good at the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage and behind the line of scrimmage, but teams
Speaker 3: get yards after contact on them. So they've they're very
Speaker 3: good at contact at or beyond or behind the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. They just don't get the guy initially down
Speaker 3: on the ground. That's the problem that they've struggled with
Speaker 3: when the running game. Now, I'll tell you another thing,
Speaker 3: and this is something I think is very very telling
Speaker 3: about this defense running the football or running the football
Speaker 3: against him. Six of their thirteen games they've they've the
Speaker 3: opponent has rushed the ball thirty times. Thirty times in
Speaker 3: six of their thirteen games. The Bengals record is won
Speaker 3: in five. It was the only game they lost. The
Speaker 3: only game they won was the Giants game. They won
Speaker 3: that game seventeen to seven. But every other game where
Speaker 3: the opponent has rushed the ball more than thirty times,
Speaker 3: they've lost that football game. So you know, can you
Speaker 3: with with no Logan Wilson him Jermaine Pratt. I think
Speaker 3: Jermaine Pratt is an okay player too. For their linebacker,
Speaker 3: I think losing Wilson is really going to hurt them
Speaker 3: in this situation because I kind of feel like, okay,
Speaker 3: if Dallas gets into that mode where they you know,
Speaker 3: and and Dallas has had their share of struggles running
Speaker 3: the football we all see, but the last two weeks
Speaker 3: they seem to have found something here. They seem to
Speaker 3: have found a little bit of you know, with with rico'
Speaker 3: daddle and his ability. But I'm with Nick, I'm committed
Speaker 3: to running the football this game and seeing if the
Speaker 3: Bengals can stop the run.
Speaker 4: When you mentioned yards after contact, yeah, it appears to me.
Speaker 4: And I don't have the numbers on this, I'm sure
Speaker 4: we could probably look it up. It doesn't appear to
Speaker 4: me that Dallas has a type of run game that
Speaker 4: really drives on getting a lot of yards after contact.
Speaker 4: Is that an accurate assessment?
Speaker 3: And is so?
Speaker 4: Do they have the ability to take advantage of this
Speaker 4: perceived weakness for Cincinnati?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I wouldn't qualify Rico Dawdle as a slippery runner
Speaker 7: no physical Yes, and can fight forward for an extra
Speaker 7: few yards you know, after contact. He's good about falling
Speaker 7: forward rather than falling side or falling back. But I
Speaker 7: wouldn't necessarily say this is an offensive running game that
Speaker 7: is prone to missing tackles and making guys miss.
Speaker 3: Just to give you a point of reference, because I
Speaker 3: put it in my notes for my pregame show, and
Speaker 3: the Bengals have allowed thirty yards of yard of yards
Speaker 3: after contact in the running game, and just for a
Speaker 3: point of reference, Dallas has allowed forty eight. So we've
Speaker 3: all seen Dallas play and how it seems like, oh god,
Speaker 3: it's just they can't get the guy on the ground.
Speaker 3: You know, the last couple of weeks they've done a
Speaker 3: really good job on defense of getting guys on the ground.
Speaker 3: The defense has but overall it seemed like, man, they're
Speaker 3: not they're not They're not winning at the point of attack.
Speaker 3: They're not tackling. So that just gives you an idea.
Speaker 3: If you think Dallas has struggled stopping people at the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage or beyond the line of scar behind
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, the Bengals have been just as bad.
Speaker 3: So that you know, Dalla is kind of a run
Speaker 3: and just blast into people and if he bounces off,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, he's not going to sit there and
Speaker 3: spin and do all those things. But we've seen enough
Speaker 3: of him. Knowing though, if arm tackles don't always get
Speaker 3: him down, you know he's got you got to kind
Speaker 3: of wrap him up because he's going to kind of
Speaker 3: fall forward in the by the way, just to let
Speaker 3: you know, Ambar, Detroit Lions have only allowed six six
Speaker 3: hundred and seven yards after contact this year to running backs.
Speaker 3: It's first in the league. And you know, so Dallas
Speaker 3: is allowed twice as many yards after contact. And then
Speaker 3: what the Detroit Lions had.
Speaker 7: We got some breaking news. If I could hop in
Speaker 7: really quick, good or this is it's not good. Zach
Speaker 7: Martin is having season ending ankle surgery. According to UH
Speaker 7: head coach Mike McCarthy. That just came down, all.
Speaker 4: Right, So I guess the conversation we had earlier this
Speaker 4: week about brock Kaufman. Hey, it's times. Let's see.
Speaker 5: What's that you were so insistent of going with brock Kaufman. No,
Speaker 5: I was you know something already?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't. I I knew. We all knew
Speaker 3: how banged up he was. I mean, we all we
Speaker 3: talk about it every day. Derek asked his injury report,
Speaker 3: and you know, and I I to me, I was worried.
Speaker 3: I was thinking that that coaches are very much about
Speaker 3: processing a system and keeping things the continuity of things.
Speaker 3: You've run the ball well, you've protected well. A healthy
Speaker 3: body at right guard has been one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why Zach wasn't healthy. It just wasn't healthy enough to play.
Speaker 5: Y'all feel we already saw the end.
Speaker 4: No, I just I have a hard time. I thought
Speaker 4: all the way up till this point that this might
Speaker 4: have been the last year for him. I just now
Speaker 4: I have a hard time thinking he's gonna want to
Speaker 4: go out end his career on IR. And that makes
Speaker 4: me wonder if he's like a guy I want, I
Speaker 4: want one more shot at this. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean that's a hard thing to do when you've played
Speaker 4: as long and as great as he has to be, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to end my career on IR. Like, I
Speaker 4: think that's just a hard thing to do.
Speaker 3: And we'll see, or he could look at it this way,
Speaker 3: is I need to get fixed and now I need
Speaker 3: to go on with my life. Maybe. Yeah. What I
Speaker 3: what I hope doesn't happen is that all of a
Speaker 3: sudden he gets fixed and the Cowboys say, we're not
Speaker 3: going to pay your salary anymore and move on, and
Speaker 3: then he goes in place somewhere else that I wouldn't
Speaker 3: like very much.
Speaker 4: There's a lot to consider here, but but yeah, that's
Speaker 4: sad news for somebody at that caliber that he's now
Speaker 4: on ir And you know, it is at that point
Speaker 4: where every year is a are you going to come back?
Speaker 4: Like that's a part of the conversation. He's even made
Speaker 4: it a part of the conversation. He's talked about it.
Speaker 4: So I think this.
Speaker 3: Year was really, really, really tough on him. And as
Speaker 3: we all have said many a day, father Time is undefeated. Yep,
Speaker 3: And there's a side of me that there's a side
Speaker 3: of me that now is really wondering, are you just
Speaker 3: getting fixed? So you can say goodbye? You know that
Speaker 3: we could bring everybody, we could have a press conference,
Speaker 3: and he could stand up there and thank everybody for
Speaker 3: you know, the opportunity he had and then move on,
Speaker 3: kind of like what Travis Frederick did. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: Travis Frederick kind of realized that he saw the end.
Speaker 3: He wasn't his Travis Frederick allpro center anymore. He was
Speaker 3: kind of a shell of that, and he said no,
Speaker 3: I'm done, and I wonder if Zack Martin's kind of
Speaker 3: in the same way that you know, Hey, I give
Speaker 3: it the best I could, you know, this year, and
Speaker 3: I just got too banged up and happen to get
Speaker 3: ready to play. You know, these seasons are they're tough
Speaker 3: on guys like that, very tough.
Speaker 2: Real quick.
Speaker 4: Before we take our break, our final break, tell me
Speaker 4: about the weakness of your past defense. If you look
Speaker 4: at the back end of their of their defense, where
Speaker 4: are the weakness is where the Taylor I feel.
Speaker 2: Like it's really everywhere. To be honest, it really is.
Speaker 2: And I I look at Taylor Britton. There's up and
Speaker 2: downs there. But I could say that for everybody.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is a young defense, not only in
Speaker 7: the past defense, but they went and got three rookie
Speaker 7: defensive tackles. They got a rookie linebacker, they have a
Speaker 7: rookie starting at corner and Josh Newton.
Speaker 2: Out of TCU.
Speaker 7: There's a there's a lot of youth on this on
Speaker 7: this defense, and it's they've kind of thrown them in
Speaker 7: the deep end and they haven't really been treading water.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 7: I feel like there's gonna be a lot of opportunities
Speaker 7: in the second area. They just have to keep Trey
Speaker 7: Hendrickson from regular shot in this game.
Speaker 4: If they can keep him over there and hilt back
Speaker 4: like they've only got one guy, I'm like, just double him.
Speaker 3: You speaking of a tight end, this might be a
Speaker 3: game This team plays a lot of single high safety,
Speaker 3: a lot of single high safety. And if that's the case,
Speaker 3: then now we've seen with Ferguson, I know it was
Speaker 3: Ferguson and Dac with those seam routes and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: maybe this is one of those games where you can
Speaker 3: kind of get Ferguson going once he gets back that
Speaker 3: you could throw some steam routes on that single high stuff,
Speaker 3: or get somebody in the slot that can play vertically
Speaker 3: that can do that against this group. I kind of
Speaker 3: feel like that Mike Hilton the nickel is another guy
Speaker 3: you can go after. So the two guys I would
Speaker 3: think about the most here is Cam Taylor britt he
Speaker 3: wears number twenty nine, and then Mike Hilton, he's number
Speaker 3: twenty one in the nickel. Those are two guys. Just
Speaker 3: block the front like we always talk about and attack
Speaker 3: those guys from the jump.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my guess would be I would expect to see
Speaker 4: a lot of twelve personnel and a lot of twenty
Speaker 4: one personnel. Either have that extra running back and lipg
Speaker 4: in there, or have that extra tight end in there
Speaker 4: so that you can give the li that you're gonna
Speaker 4: either run the ball or give the look that you
Speaker 4: can pass. Out of that you're just gonna get extra
Speaker 4: protection for Hendrickson and that gives you, I think, the
Speaker 4: best case scenario where you can maybe again especially with
Speaker 4: single safety, to be able to get some opportunities on
Speaker 4: the outside with those receivers downfield. All right, let's take
Speaker 4: our final break. We will come back and we'll talk
Speaker 4: a little bit about the Cowboys offense and how it
Speaker 4: matches up. Maybe get to a question or two. We'll
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Speaker 7: Quick for Yeah, this is from Calvin Watkins the Dallas
Speaker 7: Morning News. At the press conference for Mike McCarthy right
Speaker 7: now said that Zach Martin will quote take a step
Speaker 7: back before deciding on his future, and Mike also said,
Speaker 7: we're not going to replace Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: He brings so much to the team.
Speaker 4: So yeah, wild that is that is that's that's sad news.
Speaker 4: But well we'll see how it goes and hopefully whatever
Speaker 4: the decision is that Zach makes good for him and
Speaker 4: his family first and foremost. We want whatever's good for him,
Speaker 4: so see how that goes.
Speaker 3: He was a lot of fun to interview last year,
Speaker 3: Like in a week we got at him.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite stories about him was, I tell
Speaker 3: you the story about his when he won that trophy
Speaker 3: in the bowl game. He woulded he wanted like he was.
Speaker 3: He was, and he was going to m v P
Speaker 3: of a bowl game. Yeah, the MVP of a bowl game,
Speaker 3: and they had the trophy, was right across the lake
Speaker 3: to go visit like friends, and he had the trophy
Speaker 3: in the boat and it fell out into the water
Speaker 3: and they didn't even go to his cap. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: I was going to share the trophy, but it's in
Speaker 3: the bottom of the lake. I'm like, you didn't even
Speaker 3: think about jump. He goes, nah, heck no, no, I
Speaker 3: didn't think about it.
Speaker 4: It's crazy at the bottom of the of a bowl.
Speaker 3: He was, Yeah, he was, he was m VP of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like he had to be.
Speaker 7: It's like Michael Dixon was the m v P of
Speaker 7: the Texas Bowl for Texas back then, back.
Speaker 2: In I don't know when that was. It reminds me of.
Speaker 4: That that is crazy, all right, that's real quick.
Speaker 3: It's kind of funny talked about this man because they
Speaker 3: give him like the Thanksgiving trophy that everybody kind of
Speaker 3: looks at it like oh hey, oh here yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's like a it's like a whacked out what are
Speaker 3: we gonna do with this?
Speaker 4: How much do you guys attribute the drops from CD
Speaker 4: last week to his injuries.
Speaker 2: The shoulder's got to be bothering him.
Speaker 7: I mean, with an ac joint, there's only so much
Speaker 7: your shoulder is limited, especially as far as getting your
Speaker 7: hands up.
Speaker 2: I don't I can't.
Speaker 7: Speak towards the drop specifically, but if I'm thinking about
Speaker 7: mechanics and how the arm and shoulder works, I'm sure
Speaker 7: it's not easy as easy as it would be catching
Speaker 7: normal balls. I mean, he said last week is the
Speaker 7: most banged up he's been in his career. He's playing
Speaker 7: through it, so.
Speaker 4: And we haven't seen him drop as many as he
Speaker 4: dropped last week in a game like that just felt
Speaker 4: like something was off.
Speaker 7: He is the second highest or second lowest catch rate
Speaker 7: in the NFL out of eligible receivers going into this week.
Speaker 7: He's dropping ten percent of his passes, which.
Speaker 4: I assume has to be a career high for him.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, by a long shot.
Speaker 7: He was in the He was on the complete opposite
Speaker 7: end of the spectrum coming into the season as far
Speaker 7: as what he's done these last couple of years. So
Speaker 7: you would have to There was a lot of things
Speaker 7: that I think factor into that. A him not being
Speaker 7: at camp and taking a few weeks to get going,
Speaker 7: and then Dak move gets out of the equation, got
Speaker 7: to get used to a new quarterback. Then you get hurt,
Speaker 7: and he was already hurt when the new quarterback came in.
Speaker 7: But there's a lot that's been playing out of CD's favor.
Speaker 7: But I think more credit has to be given to
Speaker 7: CD than discredit, just because he's still at the top
Speaker 7: of the league in receptions, he's still top ten and
Speaker 7: receiving yards. He's still help helping to power this offense
Speaker 7: even despite everything that's going on right now.
Speaker 5: And you know that doesn't help when you have a
Speaker 5: quarterback that's not always going to put it exactly where
Speaker 5: you need it to.
Speaker 2: Be, Like you have to be what do you mean.
Speaker 7: Minute, I know she is back.
Speaker 5: Hey, I have eyes I can see after getting lazy.
Speaker 5: That's why I protect him, protecting my investment in my eyes. No,
Speaker 5: but yeah, surely that doesn't help, and we've seen it
Speaker 5: not just with him, but the rest of the receivers.
Speaker 5: But I agree with you. I think, uh, the whole
Speaker 5: training camp conversation his way out the window at this point,
Speaker 5: and I think he's been solid enough given the situation.
Speaker 4: Let's take a question from Carmine Polo. He says, with
Speaker 4: the offensive line playing better, MIC's offense is still mediocre
Speaker 4: now more than ever. He needs to open it up.
Speaker 4: And this is not specific to this week, because I
Speaker 4: think we all agree that this week they need to
Speaker 4: actually maybe throttle it down a little bit and really
Speaker 4: rely on the run. But just in general, do you
Speaker 4: agree with that statement, and if so, how should they
Speaker 4: open it up? How do they open this offense up?
Speaker 7: Just be more creative, get the ball in the hands
Speaker 7: of their playmakers, and have blockers out in front. I
Speaker 7: feel like they don't. They don't utilize guys like CD
Speaker 7: Turpin Cooks enough in the run after catch department, and
Speaker 7: they have a ton of receivers that are good after
Speaker 7: the catch and can get out in space, and especially
Speaker 7: with some blockers out in front that can make things happen.
Speaker 7: That would be my interpretation of opening things up. But
Speaker 7: also we got used to last year so many mesh concepts,
Speaker 7: and I feel like we haven't really seen a whole
Speaker 7: lot of that this year. You know, if it's all
Speaker 7: felt very it's all felt very stagnant. So I would
Speaker 7: just guys on the move, always moving. There's been multiple times,
Speaker 7: and this goes back to when Dak was quarterback before
Speaker 7: he got hurt. It's been multiple times where it's four
Speaker 7: five seconds after the snap and all the receivers are
Speaker 7: just planted, you know, and there's there's not any movement.
Speaker 7: There's not any offscript movement. And you know that's what uh,
Speaker 7: that's what Dak was so good at last year in
Speaker 7: this offense, but just haven't seen it.
Speaker 3: It's all agree, I mean seriously, I mean, you it's
Speaker 3: taken trying to get Turpin involved. You know, you get
Speaker 3: some you get some legitimate playmakers, and it just kind
Speaker 3: of makes me wonder if we've gone back to some
Speaker 3: of the concepts that were you know, the first five
Speaker 3: six weeks of last season. You know, we go it's okay,
Speaker 3: let's we go back let's this, this will work. We'll
Speaker 3: we'll we'll tweak it a little bit. And it to me,
Speaker 3: it's just I watch we all watch games every week.
Speaker 3: We watch, we see teams, we see how other offenses operate,
Speaker 3: and it just it seems like to me, it's very
Speaker 3: much the nineteen nineties offense where you're running the slants
Speaker 3: and the hitches and you know, the sprint right option
Speaker 3: on the goal line. You know, it's it's very very
Speaker 3: nineteen nineties that when Joe Montana and Jerry writes and
Speaker 3: then we're throwing it, it was really good. But right
Speaker 3: now it's not the way to get your best playmakers
Speaker 3: open consistently. And you know, Ambar's talked about this a
Speaker 3: bunch and I totally agree with her. You know it,
Speaker 3: don't have problem with Mike McCarthy the coach, the head coach.
Speaker 3: I have a problem with Mike McCarthy the play caller.
Speaker 3: I do know, you're you're you know, and Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 3: friend of mine. I mean, I'm not saying it's because
Speaker 3: of Mike. I think he's had his struggles too, but
Speaker 3: I see him trying to do different things. He's just
Speaker 3: not doing the same Damn thing every week. He realized,
Speaker 3: I'm playing with short you know, a short short stack here,
Speaker 3: and I've got to kind of find a way to
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, use my guys. And he has.
Speaker 3: He's kind of pieced the thing together and now he's
Speaker 3: starting to get guys back, and it's looking better because
Speaker 3: they're doing more things. I don't see that on the offense,
Speaker 3: and that that that's that's unfortunate.
Speaker 5: What's weird and what drives me crazy is like and
Speaker 5: it's all about perspective, I suppose. But when we watched something,
Speaker 5: we talk about it for so long, but then we
Speaker 5: don't see them basically, I would say seeing the same
Speaker 5: things that we see. You mentioned Turpin and the conversation
Speaker 5: last year. Look how long it's taken for us to
Speaker 5: finally actually start seeing more of Turpin. Same with the
Speaker 5: Running Game for example, as far as this year, and
Speaker 5: and what's happened with with Rico, Yes, Hunter Lipke, that's
Speaker 5: another guy that kind of we've saw. We've saw sparkle,
Speaker 5: sparkles and sparkles, what do you say, sparkles and sprinkles flashes,
Speaker 5: that's the world looking for flashes of insane thing. Same thing,
Speaker 5: but even guys like Cooks last year. I know they
Speaker 5: tried one game it didn't work out, and I just
Speaker 5: feel that one game earlier in the season it was
Speaker 5: just maybe a part of him just having a bad day,
Speaker 5: and then he got injured and went out, and then
Speaker 5: we saw the fact that he has on the offense.
Speaker 5: He made two huge plays on last weekend's game. But
Speaker 5: it's just it's always interesting to me how we feel
Speaker 5: like we see things so clearly from our perspective, but
Speaker 5: it always it's different from what they show week after
Speaker 5: week improvement.
Speaker 4: There are things I think that they see in practice.
Speaker 4: There are temperaments that they see dealing with the players,
Speaker 4: Like the players are not Yeah, the players are not robots,
Speaker 4: and everything we see on the field isn't necessarily what
Speaker 4: they're seeing behind the scenes that makes them make certain decisions,
Speaker 4: you know, And I know just when you're leading a
Speaker 4: group of people, sometimes the decisions you may have a
Speaker 4: lot to do with what everybody needs to see. So
Speaker 4: if you've got a player, let's say, for example, there's
Speaker 4: a player and I'm not pointing at any particular player
Speaker 4: on the Cowboys, but let's just assume there's a player
Speaker 4: who everybody wants to see get more involved, but the
Speaker 4: coaches are seeing behind the scenes, he's not doing the
Speaker 4: study work, he's not paying attention during team meetings. Those
Speaker 4: are things that they look at and they're like, we're
Speaker 4: not going to reward that behavior by giving him more
Speaker 4: opportunities because the rest of the team is watching that,
Speaker 4: and so they have to make a decision that publicly
Speaker 4: looks just like, why are you not getting this guy
Speaker 4: more involved? But they're like, there are reasons why he's
Speaker 4: not more involved. And again this is not directed to
Speaker 4: any player. I'm just saying sometimes we have to think
Speaker 4: there are more things involved in the decision than what
Speaker 4: we know and what we see.
Speaker 5: And I agree with that. But the thing to me, yes,
Speaker 5: if it is one or two players, but when you
Speaker 5: talk of a larger scale, then at some point the
Speaker 5: players are not the problem. That's the point. Is the
Speaker 5: voice that they're listening to.
Speaker 4: Well fair, But it also could be a situation where
Speaker 4: again I'm not saying that's.
Speaker 5: All, this is just all I saw something.
Speaker 4: The whole point I'm making is just I think we
Speaker 4: have to be at least aware of the fact, and
Speaker 4: we have to if we're being responsible on how we
Speaker 4: report this. There are other things that could be at
Speaker 4: play than just the player's ability that we don't know
Speaker 4: about that they know about.
Speaker 3: You know, well, then maybe that it needs to be
Speaker 3: known that if they lose a game, And we asked
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, why isn't Turpin not playing more on the
Speaker 3: offense than Mike McCarthy, if he would help me out
Speaker 3: and say, Turpin's not practicing very well, He's missed, you know,
Speaker 3: he's missed some time in the meetings. He's not picking
Speaker 3: things up. We're not very good at that position right now.
Speaker 3: We don't trust him to put him in the game.
Speaker 4: Which exactly which the coach will never do. And again,
Speaker 4: please please, I don't want this started to Turpin's doing
Speaker 4: stuff off.
Speaker 3: Like that. He's a good teammates players just in general.
Speaker 3: It's certain player. But when you lose a game, you know,
Speaker 3: then tell me why, well you know it, don't tell
Speaker 3: me it was well, you know, the pre snap penalties, Yeah,
Speaker 3: turnovers are bad. No, okay, if you know, if you
Speaker 3: as a coaching staff, and maybe maybe off the record,
Speaker 3: they do more of that where they do explain that, hey,
Speaker 3: this guy is not very football intelligent and we can't
Speaker 3: play him because we're gonna make mistakes, you know. I
Speaker 3: I'd love to know that, if it has to be
Speaker 3: off the record or whatever, I'd love to be able
Speaker 3: to know that.
Speaker 4: You know, I will say and this back in the day,
Speaker 4: I used to appreciate this. Bill Parcells would actually give
Speaker 4: you a fair assessment of a player. He would actually
Speaker 4: go a little bit overboard, like he would even the
Speaker 4: good players. He's like, oh that guy, that guy, you know,
Speaker 4: he'd give hesment.
Speaker 3: He would go, you don't have to coach that guy, right,
Speaker 3: he will give you that's what he should tell me.
Speaker 3: He goes, you want that guy, you don't have to
Speaker 3: coach him. And I would go, that's fair. You know,
Speaker 3: you're right, it's fair. I don't have to coach you,
Speaker 3: you know. And and that's but to me, I would
Speaker 3: I think we live in a day and age where
Speaker 3: the criticism part. If you just told us why that
Speaker 3: certain things that some things would play calling, why it
Speaker 3: doesn't work, I think everything, we'd all have a better
Speaker 3: understanding of that, maybe a little bit more of a
Speaker 3: pass on something.
Speaker 4: And maybe that's the thing you do off the record.
Speaker 4: Obviously wouldn't go to get up on a stage and
Speaker 4: say that, but there are opportunities to tell tell the
Speaker 4: media that off the record, so at least the media
Speaker 4: colors how they were recorded.
Speaker 2: Right any ourselves is unemployed.
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