WEBVTT - #553 - Symba

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, before we start the episode, we're gonna remind everybody, man,

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio with my partner James Andre Jefferson Junior

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<v Speaker 1>for the Bootleg keV Show. So make sure you tune

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Let's get into the interview. Brulet cav podcast

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<v Speaker 1>special guests in here my guy Rapper personality, entrepreneur, father

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden an act.

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<v Speaker 2>In Butlegs Kivs Boulet Kivs friend simbas.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. Everything is good. I'm not gonna lie. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>watched the movie yet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine. It just hit stream. You could check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>So my boy Cook is from Pittsburgh obviously Newark, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my bad. I know, were from a place that had

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<v Speaker 1>the name of a city from the East coast that's

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<v Speaker 1>near Newark, California. By and he hated the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, you said it wasn't good? Really? What what didn't

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<v Speaker 2>you like about?

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<v Speaker 1>He said he didn't think there was any real acting

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<v Speaker 1>until Pedro Pascal came on the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that definitely sound like a buleg kiv t.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't see it, he just said this. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate him lying though, but look, when you decide like

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<v Speaker 1>obviously playing too shorts gotta be fucking an honor of

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<v Speaker 1>all honors. And you also like, I never saw the resemblance. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>until and I was like, oh ship, like y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, well they kind of made it that way too,

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<v Speaker 2>with the teeth and the makeup and the hat to

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<v Speaker 2>close everything. Oh yeah, I mean yeah, So you know

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<v Speaker 2>we all know Short grew up with him. My whole

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<v Speaker 2>life been around him. So I knew his mannerisms, how

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<v Speaker 2>he walk out, you talk, everything, so that plays a

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<v Speaker 2>big part in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is they have to get permission from him on who

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<v Speaker 1>was going to play him Yeah, and he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the thing was because the way I

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<v Speaker 2>got the call, I had just got off the Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas tour. This was back when I was dropping music.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't know, but yeah, that was when you're

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<v Speaker 1>opening up for Join. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had got the call when I was on

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<v Speaker 2>the tour and they was like, yo, it's this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a barrier based film. They're looking for somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>play Too Short. So I'm like, okay, I'm like send it.

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<v Speaker 1>Send it.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the lyrics that they wanted me to audition with

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<v Speaker 2>fight the feeling, I guess it was like people was

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<v Speaker 2>having songs yeah yeah, yeah, I see you walking down

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<v Speaker 2>the street. So I had to stop and I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that song like top to bottom. So I literally just

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<v Speaker 2>did my best too Short impression and rapped the song

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<v Speaker 2>to the camera, and like four days later they called me, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got the row.

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<v Speaker 1>That's big yeah yeah. And then do you call too

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<v Speaker 1>Short and say hey, yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So I hit him up and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>got the role.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, how you want me to represent this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like how you want me to do it? And he

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<v Speaker 2>sent me four videos, like four of his early music

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<v Speaker 2>videos and an interview. He was like, just embody this energy,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they want on camera. And I just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>watched the videos and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like eighties, early nineties two short, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so different, even like rapping some of those lyrics,

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<v Speaker 2>like on stage it was kind of comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit yeah, no, some of them. I mean I told him,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, dude, like, you're the first rapper that my

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<v Speaker 1>dad liked. And I think it was because my dad

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<v Speaker 1>was like a low key purv and like like to

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<v Speaker 1>hear like a dude talking about fucking bitches and getting

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<v Speaker 1>blow jobs and shit. But he's the first guy that

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<v Speaker 1>really was popping that like freaky shit on records. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that, like what made him want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into raping was just talking shit, right. He was like

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<v Speaker 2>he loved music, he loved the funk, he loved the

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<v Speaker 2>parliaments and different elements of what music was to him

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<v Speaker 2>in those days. But when he started making his music,

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to have that sound but just talking everyday

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<v Speaker 2>life shit, like shit that's going on in real life

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<v Speaker 2>around the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>So I gotta watch it. I'll give you my own review.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooks reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great film.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can't wait to watch it. Your cat.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great film. It's very It's like

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<v Speaker 2>one of those like kill Bill Tarantino style things where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's four different scenarios that kind of all

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<v Speaker 2>tie in the one. So in the beginning it can

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<v Speaker 2>be a bit confusing because you're like, what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>But then as things start unfolding, you're like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I also feel like too, like just in general,

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<v Speaker 1>the representation of the Bay Area shit is like underserved. Yes, definitely, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>Like San Francisco has been the setting of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of big movies, but it's never been about San Francisco, and.

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco gets movies like they the shoes. Oakland is different.

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<v Speaker 2>We shot this in Oakland.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, But I just mean the Bay in general,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you'll see like rush Hour will be in San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco some ship, but there's never any sort of movie

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<v Speaker 1>that like really represents like the street culture that comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Bay Area. I known uh Berner's working

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<v Speaker 1>on a movie called.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck It's called bib City, Bip City.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say Glass City, Yeah City, bip City.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But even even that, right, Like, if we take that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one pocket of the Bay. Right, Freaky Tales covers

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<v Speaker 2>like four different pockets, from like the hippies to the skinheads,

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<v Speaker 2>to the punk rock kids, to the hip hop kids,

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<v Speaker 2>to the police right to the hired hitmen in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bay to the warriors with Sleepy Floyd sleep right, So

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<v Speaker 2>it covers all these different timelines of culture in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of hired hitmen in the Bay. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all known for that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're not known for it, but there's a few

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<v Speaker 2>people that get I.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't know that. I didn't know if that was like

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<v Speaker 1>up there with the.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I've heard stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, God, think of the Bay I think when I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think of obviously fillmore pimping.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's for sure. Players is what.

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<v Speaker 1>We players where we really know for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned to say player because pimping just sounds so

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<v Speaker 2>crazy and dated.

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<v Speaker 1>It rupts people the wrong way. Definitely the player ship

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely definitely players out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. So you said a little bit ago, you said

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<v Speaker 1>back when you were dropping music. Yeah, So what is

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<v Speaker 1>going on with your career right now? Are you still

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<v Speaker 1>on Atlantic Records? No, so you're off. Was this because

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<v Speaker 1>of the new regime that came in, because we all

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<v Speaker 1>saw the new regime, the Range came in, the ten

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<v Speaker 1>K guy came in.

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<v Speaker 2>That played a big part, but it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>it was going away before that even wasn'tnounced.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like I've been telling you to get

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<v Speaker 1>off Atlantic Records for like four years, Like, buddy, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you like? Get the fuck off this label. They're

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<v Speaker 1>forcing you to do these fucking songs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that this is what it is, right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always kicking from both sides. I hate when artists like

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<v Speaker 2>come up on certain platforms and just bashed their label

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<v Speaker 2>because at the end of the day, like Atlantic did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot for me, Right, I got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fans that will be fans due to Atlantic Records introducing

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<v Speaker 2>them to me, certain people Dallas introducing me to or

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Davis, whatever it may be. So those fans will

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<v Speaker 2>always be there because of them, and I salute them

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<v Speaker 2>for that. But it could be a thing of like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes visions don't aligne they could see something

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<v Speaker 2>and that what they see could have possibly worked, and

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<v Speaker 2>it may not have been what I seen for myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and that could class So two things could be good

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<v Speaker 2>and it just may not work, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the time it may not been there it was COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot going on. Of course, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of misunderstandings with certain moments that was missing, things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, But we had a lot of sample issues

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<v Speaker 2>when it came to certain records that I feel could

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<v Speaker 2>have defined certain things. So it's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes that it's no one person's fault or no.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't drop an actual album, never dropped.

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<v Speaker 2>I never dropped it out. That's why I'd be like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of laughing when everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Just those are just mixtapes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's mixtapes and like my first offering at being in

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<v Speaker 2>the industry. So it's so much I've learned, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like shit, being honest with you, keV you

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<v Speaker 2>my brother, I made a ship ton of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Off of things that weren't that wasn't music.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, when it got to that point, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not really feeling like the struggling artist that has to

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<v Speaker 2>just show up and prove myself to the label anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like, Yo, this is what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And because my trajectory wasn't at a certain point,

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<v Speaker 2>they felt I should maybe listen or I should go

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<v Speaker 2>a different route. And I felt like, nah, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go this way with it, and things did in

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<v Speaker 2>the line and shit, me and you was together at

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<v Speaker 2>the PopOut show last year. He was like, when the

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<v Speaker 2>album coming in, what I say? I'm an influencer now.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're still trying to make music, bro, I got

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<v Speaker 1>music right now. I know. Look, I know you have

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<v Speaker 1>an insane preposterous amount of underlease music.

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<v Speaker 2>Put it like this, I just had four label meetings

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<v Speaker 2>last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that is your best thing outside of

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<v Speaker 1>obviously getting a bag and advance all that stuff, But

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<v Speaker 1>like in terms of like do you think the major

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<v Speaker 1>is it a major label thing? Because I could see

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<v Speaker 1>you just I feel like you just gotta here's.

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<v Speaker 2>A thing I don't believe in the independent way for me,

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<v Speaker 2>for me right and what I mean by that is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm someone that I feel I work best with a partner.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I work best with infrastructure and team around me because

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<v Speaker 2>I had a hard time developing that amongst my friends

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever that may be. So instead of trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make my homeboard a manager or the A and R, now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just pay you to be the A and R

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<v Speaker 2>that wants to be the A and R. Right, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>rather give up a piece of something to have that

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<v Speaker 2>and try to force what never worked for me. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think I work better in a system. The system

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<v Speaker 2>I was in I didn't work in because I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like the system was outdated a bit. And from what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm lining up now and partners that I'm talking to,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a better thing for me to not only

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<v Speaker 2>just do music, produce films. Right, I do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these podcasts y'all watch that. I'll be behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes doing Kim Street owned and producing and certain things.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a lot of other things I'm into that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel things I'm into outside of music that I

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<v Speaker 2>feel my partner has to understand. It's not just the music.

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<v Speaker 2>And Yeah, so that's why I feel I work best

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<v Speaker 2>with a partner for someone like a Larussell. He got

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<v Speaker 2>his team infrastructure that works for him. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of like a quasi, like a like a you

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<v Speaker 1>know something with one of these Distroy companies that gives

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<v Speaker 1>you label services. Big ex. The Plug is independent, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's with United Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's also with Steve stout.

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<v Speaker 1>Right United Masters, so he has like the label services,

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<v Speaker 1>but he still owns all his masters. He's got creative control.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know what I'm saying, for sure, no percent,

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<v Speaker 2>and I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like you have so much great music

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<v Speaker 1>that you're sitting there and it's like it's just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>always sit there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's gonna come. I promise you it's coming. I

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<v Speaker 2>promise you it's coming. It's just the thing is and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be all the way real because you're my brother,

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<v Speaker 2>and fuck it, we on the Bootleg kV podcast. Will

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<v Speaker 2>give me a shot, let me get another. I hate

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<v Speaker 2>when artists get off the label and it just looks

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't look the same, right right, You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, but you have so much high I mean

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<v Speaker 1>look obviously talking about like aesthetically music.

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<v Speaker 2>Videos, but I feel like, you know, I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the music video. I'm saying the presentation of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm somebody that really cares about how I'm presented my

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<v Speaker 2>music everything. So when it comes to distribution companies, cool, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>But what are the other services that can help advance

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<v Speaker 2>me outside of you just distributing my music? No, for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel sometimes those distribution companies don't really.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have like a you really got to be

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<v Speaker 1>a priority at some of those places, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it's like and you have to be a priority

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<v Speaker 2>enough to where the higher ups can use their relationships

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<v Speaker 2>to help you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, or they got to give you a big enough

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<v Speaker 1>bag on the district side where you're like, yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out with this money, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's for me what it is. It ain't really

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<v Speaker 2>about the money, no, more like the money is there

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<v Speaker 2>is the right partnership for me to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>just put the music out and be consistent and run

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<v Speaker 2>it how I want to run it.

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<v Speaker 1>You essentially just want to worry about the music and

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<v Speaker 1>being that's it and let everybody else do the heavy lifting.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's another thing I had to go through too.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like shit, you get all this motherfucking money,

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<v Speaker 2>don't nobody tell you how to deal with it. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like taxes right, setting your LLC up and your

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<v Speaker 2>s corpse right, and all these different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you weren't making money off of music because

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<v Speaker 1>you had like a prize picks deal, what was all

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<v Speaker 1>your like? Because a lot of artists probably are like

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<v Speaker 1>raking their skull against the pavement trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to make money outside of streams and shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So because of that, they literally get stuck to rap.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, I don't look at it like that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at myself as an overall a creative. Rap

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<v Speaker 2>is something that I do, and I'm very good at it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what people met me for. But that's not

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<v Speaker 2>all that I can do. I can do other things.

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<v Speaker 2>I've curated a good commercial, right, I've done movies. I've

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<v Speaker 2>done Jimmy Kimmel, I've I've done all kind of the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm literally just left for meeting on the way here

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<v Speaker 2>with the NBA with some stuff we're doing for Summer League.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like they call me a lot. My god,

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<v Speaker 2>Dan shout out to Dan. He calls me a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>And you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know you're doing a lot of stuff Gil with Arenas too.

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<v Speaker 1>I seen that's my brother shout out to Gil.

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<v Speaker 2>Gil's another one that's like made me realize I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>properly managing my business.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's good to say when he's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most uh you know, historically high paid players of

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<v Speaker 1>all time at time, he's also like he got a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid bad.

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<v Speaker 2>But Gil is like an execution genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure. His podcast is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like he does all the research and checks

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<v Speaker 2>every corner before he steps into a space. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I've been doing the past year with me was Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm off the label. What is my new situation look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I want it to look like this? What does every

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<v Speaker 2>corner of this look like? Who needs to be there?

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<v Speaker 2>What lawyer do I need? Not just an entertainment lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>I might need a litigations with it, right? You need

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<v Speaker 2>all these kind of things to really properly shut your

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<v Speaker 2>shit up for you to get out here and really

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<v Speaker 2>get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I learned that from Gil. Do you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're because I think at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic records when you get there by the time you leave,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a whole different cast of people. Is that something

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<v Speaker 1>you always will hear that when artists signed somewhere and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a a regime change, it's almost like in sports. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a new GM, the new GM doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>the coaches there. They want to go get their guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have a whole new cast of people who

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<v Speaker 1>probably you know, philosophically don't line up with the old

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<v Speaker 1>crew that was there, and also probably don't give a

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<v Speaker 1>fuck about you. They to bring in their own folks.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Is that essentially what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of well, because they released a bunch of artists.

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<v Speaker 2>Three hundred people got fired in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, the radio department got gutted liked.

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<v Speaker 2>But these are things the public don't know, and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>just be like, oh, he's not putting out music. In

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<v Speaker 2>order for you to put out music, and it for

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<v Speaker 2>me personally, when I put out music, I want my

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<v Speaker 2>music to have the best shot at getting as many

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<v Speaker 2>eyes on it as possible. Right, So in order for

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<v Speaker 2>me to release a record through my label, I need

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<v Speaker 2>every department to line up. I need the marketing department

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<v Speaker 2>to be on point with my publishers. I need my

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<v Speaker 2>publishers to be on point with my A and R.

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<v Speaker 2>I need my A and R to be on point

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<v Speaker 2>with the production company. It's very hard to get all

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<v Speaker 2>of those things to connect at one time for one

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<v Speaker 2>release when you're a new artist, right, so you're fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for these things. It wasn't a thing of a new

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<v Speaker 2>regime coming in and saying we don't believe in him,

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<v Speaker 2>or we don't want to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>The team I had was already gone two years before

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<v Speaker 2>that even happened. The people who you know what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying it was, they was already out the building prior

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean Dallas had been gone for Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>was going for two years.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just really a consultant that was there for

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<v Speaker 2>like me, Roddy, Cordy, certain people like that. But outside

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<v Speaker 2>of that, he was just there is It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So it was very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>with having seven product managers in four years. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>having a new head coach every every four years. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you even get in a rhythm with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like they don't even know me. So you're making music

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<v Speaker 2>and you like this is what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how I see the visuals.

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<v Speaker 1>They like, well, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you should put on ten chains and let girls

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<v Speaker 2>shake their ass with flamethrowers. And I'm like, this don't

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<v Speaker 2>make sense. And then I'll go talk to the higher

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<v Speaker 2>ups and they're like, why would they say that? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know. Can we have men?

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<v Speaker 1>I think all of that's going on. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a certain aspect of your career where it was

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<v Speaker 1>just I think y'all overthought it so much. Dog.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it wasn't that, I'm telling you what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was COVID and sample issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I know there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>big records you had that didn't drop because of the

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<v Speaker 1>sample issues. I just think of like, you have this

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<v Speaker 1>like almost like the ball's been passed to you, as

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<v Speaker 1>like the new like the new fucking has it been? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>I think, so when was the ball passed to me?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you I think I think there was a

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<v Speaker 1>big I think when I would talk to people who

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<v Speaker 1>weren't from the West Coast, anybody from New York, Tampa

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<v Speaker 1>where I used to live, you know, people be like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>I dude, symbols cold out there, like because they'd be

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of your freestyles and all that shit, and

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that you would the albums would have

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<v Speaker 1>a piece like never end up broke. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could just put together fucking twelve of those,

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be a fucking class. But I feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>was always like a lot of like overly an ard,

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.159
<v Speaker 1>overly thought out songs. You guys would overthink records as

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<v Speaker 1>a post And I used to always tell you this, like,

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<v Speaker 1>ooll just drop a class, like focus on dropping a

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<v Speaker 1>critical album. Fuck the singles, fuck the bitches, fucking just drop.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this conversation about it. No, because it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be great for artists, because we're gonna really get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because like I just feel like people people came

0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to the table because they would see you rapping and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd be like, Yo, what the fuck this shit is crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>And I just felt like you never put together like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole body of work that would quench the thirst

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.800
<v Speaker 1>of those fans. Like there might be a few on there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I felt like at times you're over A and

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<v Speaker 1>rd V, at times you were over shit was just

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<v Speaker 1>overthought out, Like it was just like dude, like.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why brother, and that's why you somebody I loved

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<v Speaker 2>to death and always value you.

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<v Speaker 1>Change. Taking that fucking flat T song fucking was crazy too.

0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.600
<v Speaker 1>That was your song, great fucking song. No, I love.

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:10.159
<v Speaker 2>I love what you're saying, because essentially what you're saying

0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 2>is I signed a deal too early. I signed a

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<v Speaker 2>deal before I was able to develop. Yeah, and what

0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:22.359
<v Speaker 2>happened was because of that, I wasn't able to properly

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<v Speaker 2>present what people came to me for due to too

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<v Speaker 2>much business being involved.

0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.399
<v Speaker 1>It was a lot of hands in the it was too.

0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Many people involved. So it was we need a hit

0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.919
<v Speaker 2>record for this, we need this for this show, we

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<v Speaker 2>need this. And for me, it's my first time being

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<v Speaker 2>accepted in the industry. So I'm trying to be everything

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like the first time you got guys like

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<v Speaker 1>two chains embracing, it's the first time you're like, motherfucker's

0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I idolized. I want something to go play at Magic

0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>City when I go to Atlanta, like cour and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hanging in Atlanta at this time. This is like you're

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<v Speaker 1>also like low key, like people don't know, but like

0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 1>you're also like you can waiting to be accepted by

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the industry, sure, because that was forever. That was part

0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of the problems. Like at a certain point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, yo, I'm just gonna do what I think

0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:09.720
<v Speaker 1>they want because.

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<v Speaker 2>At I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, So if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what y'all want, and I'm wondering people, it's crazy. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I was just talking to one of our mutual homies

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<v Speaker 2>about this this morning. He was like, bro, i'b be

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<v Speaker 2>envying you sometimes. I said, why, He said, because I

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>gotta go do all this research to be half as

0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:31.160
<v Speaker 2>good as you at you not doing no research at

0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 2>things you don't even care about. He was like, you

0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 2>just naturally gifted in spaces that other people ain't and

0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:37.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't take advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, damn, I never.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked at it that way, right, But for me, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a situation where.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, Doug, I'm in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in New York and foreign cars with a million dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>hanging with Melissa Ford, going to eat and weak. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having fun, like I'm enjoying it, right, But when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really locking in to it and like really like, okay,

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:10.360
<v Speaker 2>let's do this, all this business stuff starts happening, right,

0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.920
<v Speaker 2>sample can't get cleared. This producer won one hundred grand, this,

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<v Speaker 2>this person crazy, this person, and it'd be the same

0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:22.359
<v Speaker 2>producer who say they want hip hop to thrive and flourished,

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<v Speaker 2>But you're trying to bang me across the head because

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<v Speaker 2>I got a deal that you can take advantage of,

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<v Speaker 2>because I got a budget. Right, So when all this

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<v Speaker 2>is going on, I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>just enjoy this shit. I'm gonna just enjoy it and

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<v Speaker 2>live in it because it's obviously a bunch of chaos

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.479
<v Speaker 2>and it's too much business going on around me for

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<v Speaker 2>me to even understand what the fuck is going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to draw back and look at it

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<v Speaker 2>from every angle. Okay, what's this person job, what's this

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 2>person getting, what's that person getting? When I figured what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on, I said, oh, shut all this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Down, because what was the name of the song that

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<v Speaker 1>got you signed to Atlantic that never came out? Loco, No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a song you play.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad Jesus, Black Jesus, Blad Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, that's what got you signed.

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<v Speaker 2>But imagine, imagine if loco comes out because you heard logo.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the original me or Roddy Rich song. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the original thing of how people found me, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was that it couldn't get cleared. Sample couldn't get cleared.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So three years later me and Roddy make a whole

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<v Speaker 2>nother song. When I started getting money, he rich. We

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<v Speaker 2>no longer than saying people we was three years ago

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<v Speaker 2>when we was fighting trying to get out of that hole.

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<v Speaker 1>It is different. It's different. I think that you have

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<v Speaker 1>like a I know you and again I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the specifics of who made what beats, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>you got a lot of crazy music you're sitting on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait till you hear what I'm gonna play when

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<v Speaker 2>we get off.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is is like if you're independent, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more different of a conversation to try to clear

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<v Speaker 1>or if you're independent, fuck clear the sample or trot

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<v Speaker 1>that shit, or you structure your team in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that fits what you want to do to be consistent

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 1>rather the simple is there or not static. Selected used

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<v Speaker 1>to always say I've never cleared a sample. If my

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<v Speaker 1>song gets big enough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a wing.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll send me a fucking season de sistem.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Marvin Gay estate made that difficult, right with

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.359
<v Speaker 2>blurred lines. Right, I'm at a label that got sued

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<v Speaker 2>by blurred lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're like, when you're fucking.

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 2>We're not doing that ship. We just had to pay

0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 2>a hundred million dollars behind not clearing the simple Like, no,

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:28.919
<v Speaker 2>it's business, and.

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.919
<v Speaker 1>You can't blame them. No, for sure, that's state business.

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 2>They gotta protect. So we gotta go back in the

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 2>studio and cook something else up. And then we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to take those lyrics and put them over new beats,

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 2>and it just don't feel the same, right, It just

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>don't feel the same. So it's like half of what y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Heard got the opposite of demo itis. You're like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know what it sounded like on the old yet.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Half of results take time with new beats. I didn't

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>wrap those songs to those beats, but samples couldn't get cleared,

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 2>so we had to make them new things.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you still with your production company?

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got a new situation we're working out as well. Yeah,

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 2>but we're in a great space as well too. Like

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like I said, it was, it was so much going on.

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of things happened fast for all

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>of us. And I think because everything was so New York, Philly,

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 2>La Debay, it was so fragmented, it kind of made

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 2>it hard for everybody to kind of like get to

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:33.159
<v Speaker 2>know each other a little bit. You're dealing with personalities

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>from all over the fucking world. But we're in a

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>great space. And shut out to Atlantic and everything they

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 2>did for me. Shut out to Dallas, you know, shut

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 2>out to Jamilla, shout out to everybody. I got love

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 2>from the people for sure.

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you feel like because I feel like you're

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>thriving as a personality now, does it make you like

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>less motivated to No? Try still in the music game.

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 2>No, Like I got some I know what I'm doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not shooting in the dark.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>No more so.

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>When you're not shooting in the dark, you know how

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 2>to make your playing bulletproof. And that's what I'm doing

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>right now, is making what I want to do bulletproof.

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I can't present it until it's fully there for me

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>to be consistent enough to do this for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. Once I start again, there's no stopping.

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm never gonna start and stop again once I start

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<v Speaker 2>it's up.

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<v Speaker 1>You had that. I saw you recently. You said that

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<v Speaker 1>you had a taken on a new position helping some

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.919
<v Speaker 1>some sports stuff out. Yeah, can you talk about that?

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Which position? Because it's me You're an employee. Now, we

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>can't talk about that one yet.

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>You're like, Hey, it's I'm just that I'm an employee. Now,

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:50.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what do you mean? Do you tell me?

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, God, damn, that's crazy. I can't talk

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can't talk about it will be announced soon,

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:57.439
<v Speaker 2>but we can't talk about it yet.

0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>You could say it without saying the name though.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you said you were helping, like had the

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<v Speaker 1>music department of a major league Yeah, not the major league, yeah,

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>but a major league sports league. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, like directing the music, like making sure. I feel

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 2>like it's this dynamic of like when rappers make sports music,

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 2>it gets looked at it like corny.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you have like my kid has used your song

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>so much? Put me in the game. Yeah on talk. Yeah,

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>it's fucking but it was just you just threw it out.

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 2>But that was that was something I connected to space

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Gym right, which came out with Space Gym so kind

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>of what I'm working on, what the partner is finding

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 2>creative ways for songs to live in their platform and

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to help other people. Right, So if we look at

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>radio or we look at streaming, what are other ways

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 2>we can get our music out for sure versus just

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>radio and streaming. So if I can be on TV

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 2>in this commercial or licensing, you know what I'm saying,

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>whatever it may be, and I got a song that

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>fits this, why not place it there because it might

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 2>get me the same spins I can get on radio

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. So approaching it from that angle.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder, do you ever was it hard? Because when

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you're somebody like yourself, and I know you have an ego,

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Every rapper has an ego, do you ever fall victim?

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like all of us at a certain

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>point in time fall victim? To pocket watching? Pocket watching,

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I would say, where maybe you feel like, fuck, I'm

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>doing all this, but you'll see other artists like who

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe not might not be as talented as you, or

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>might not be as you know.

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't pocket what. I don't pocket watch rappers. They

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 2>don't make enough money, Okay, rappers don't make enough money?

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Like when I go to basketball games. Now, I be

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>thinking about who made the rim I like that. I

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>don't even think about what the players probably China, Like

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>who made the netding?

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying?

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Where did the paint come from that painted the hard wood,

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and what chemicals went into that and who owns the

0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>chemical company?

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Like m That's where my mind goes. It sounds like

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>you talk a lot of tariff talk.

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I seen too much. I've seen too much. I seen

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>too much, and I've seen how it works. And I'm like, oh,

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I was worried about the room shit, Like I was

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 2>focused on things that's like, really ain't gonna change shit.

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I gotta integrate knee spaces to really affect the change.

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>But you also are very like you're a very h

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>You're a very confident artist.

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm just a confident person, right.

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>But I mean in the hip hop space, you've obviously

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>like you've popped your ship.

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, you've something like cause if I wrap, like,

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>let's be real, who fucking with me? Besides my man's,

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 2>besides my man's who you know my.

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Man's it's Kenny.

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Besides my man's, that's my nigga, Like besides my nigga,

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>who fucking with me?

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I just.

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had the platform that some of you have

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>had to be able to shot. But it's goodman, and

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 2>just prepare yourself.

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Are you at all conscientious of like the next thing

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I do? Is it going to be singles? Or are

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you going to deliver a body of work?

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Body of work? For sure, but I think the main

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>thing immediately is just getting back to what putting music

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 2>feels like.

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Out when's the last time you dropped in? Two years?

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Three years?

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Three years?

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Three years?

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Three years? My last record was top G in May

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty two, twenty three, so that's two years.

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Ye say, I don't think it's been three years, full years,

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. That was the one that you shot

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>over and uh was the top Africa Africa.

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>That was the story I told on Sway about once again.

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I went to the label with a plan, but there

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 2>was a new product manager at the time, so she

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't understand.

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>You said you shot that out of your own pocket, right.

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, paid to go to Africa myself, my own people,

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 2>took my son, f went out there, did everything on

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>my own, had a good time, had a great time,

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 2>it was one of the greatest experiences of my life.

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn that's crazy. It's been that long. It's been two years.

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>And you know what's even crazier. The last time we

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>did an interview, you asked me, how long is it

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>going to be before you drop again? Because I'm not

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to wait two three years. It was right after

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>results take time we did an interview. You said that,

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's crazy because I told y'all, was like, it's

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be long. I said, I'm coming top of

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the year.

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, you've played me so much shit that's like amazing.

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>The music, this the ship we need, like this, the

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>shit like.

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Watch I'm gonna play you when we get off camera.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>The music I'm creating right now with my dog, Rob

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Knox shut out to no Id as well. He's been

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>giving us a lot of pointers. But the music I'm

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>creating right now, it's me. It's what y'all see. It's

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 2>what you see on those freestyles and song format. It's

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 2>literally that. But I had to get better as an artist,

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>right I fell in love with rap, I never fell

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>in love with being an artist, so I had to

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>learn what that looked like. For me aesthetically, what am

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I going to talk about? Who am I speaking to?

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>What's my concepts, what's my colors? You know what I mean?

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.959
<v Speaker 2>How does my visuals touch the people that's paying attention

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 2>to me. I have to learn all of that and

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>learn how to put that within the music. And you know,

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 2>back in the day, that would be called artists development. Today,

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>artists developed in real time, right, because you might find

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 2>somebody that popped off from something that they randomly did

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>on the internet. Now the world is watching them, but

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 2>they have to develop how to be an artist in

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 2>real time while y'all watching them. Sure, that's a hard

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 2>thing to do, and the only way to kind of

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 2>master that is to take time and like zone out

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>all the chatter of oh there's no hit record, Oh

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the music, I don't know. It's cool,

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>it's cool, it's coming, it's coming. You know.

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>There was a version that never ended up Broke, that

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>had doctor dre on it, right, Yeah, it just never

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 1>came out.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Drake Drake killed that verse.

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I think it's on my phone somewhere.

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you definitely got I think it was

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where the rollout has started and

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the project was getting ready to drop before Dre wanted

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that verse to come out. I believe so it was,

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, just a little miscommunication with things.

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Were you ever able to uh work with Dre? Outside

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 1>of that? Bro? Me and Dre got some ship. Mmm.

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 2>He's probably gonna get mad at me for saying this.

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 2>And I haven't talked to him in a minute. But

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>we got this song called god Speed.

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Is he rapping on it?

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>It's me and him like back to back, like on

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>some ship like the It's it's incredible. It's probably like

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 2>one of my our best versus.

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Is that the type of record where you wouldn't like, Hey, Dre,

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>can I get that?

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Those are the record other no one's gonna ever hear it.

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Those are the records that if they ever see the

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 2>light of day, changes hip hop? Mmmm, they change him?

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you push for them to see the light of day?

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Or since it's doctor Dre, you just kind of you know.

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>When it when it comes to Dre is like fucking

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>you say, like it's you on his time?

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Can you ask for it? You could ask Hey, that

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 1>song we did? I think it sounded really good on

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 1>my album.

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 2>You can ask but you also have to know when

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 2>to asks right. Right, there's a certain time and a

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>certain point.

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>You can't just record to put this out as a one.

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>You got to burst on the exhibit album, you know.

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>But look how X album is packaged. Great album, great album.

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Spent this time on it for shot visuals over the

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>last year. Right playing this promo, run knew he wanted

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 2>to talk to and ligned himself with the proper brands.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Went to speak to people that appreciate what he does,

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 2>not people that takes away from it. Right, So it

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:11.240
<v Speaker 2>was properly presented. I think when you're dealing with people

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>of an ex A Dre, certain things you have to

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 2>be able to properly present these things. And at that

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>time I wasn't able to properly present that verse. But

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 2>still a great verse that makes sense. Shut out to Dre.

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Shut out there, everybody. I just seen Focus the other

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 2>night that exhibits release party, so shut out the Focus

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on the Joey badass oh man

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>versus every other pardon.

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:45.280
<v Speaker 2>My brash ass feeling Joey badass because I was unique

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 2>in another life, my bad you know, I just be

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:48.919
<v Speaker 2>rapping in my heads.

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>But I'm curious, Like I've enjoyed the back and forth,

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was hoping that this cipher with Sean and

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Absol was like the ending. Yeah, and then it's just

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 1>kept going and I'm like, all right, guys, we get it.

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone's taking advantage of the moment.

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm starting to realize, Like.

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>But it feels very friendly.

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>March through June is like rad beef season.

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think fucking last year it kind of

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>made that a thing.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I think the beef is great. I think it's great

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 2>for the.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Beef though, it's just friendly, Like I feel, right, Joey badasses,

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I've got a lot of respect for TD just

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 1>by buying tdast dot com for sure, for sure, but

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, you know, you saw that with like

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Joey and Absol doing that back and forth. It was

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>so dope. I was like, this is what the fuck

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to see because they're friends, they used to

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>be on tour together, their buddies, and you know, Joey's

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>one of them ones. You know what I'm saying. They

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>got to stop backing, Like Joey ain't got plaques too.

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 1>By the way, Joey got a couple of plas, but

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 1>they hanging out of my hallway right now.

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 2>They forget about devastated.

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>It's platinum. It's hanging in my studio. He used to

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>be on my old set behind me.

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 2>They forget Joey got They forget Joey wrote rock Star.

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Joey is a prolific MC who again. You know, I

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>feel like at certain times he dibbles and dabbles, like

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>where he's like, Yo, this acting shit's going crazy, and

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>he dives into the acting and then he's back outside,

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I just think Joey's and I think

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 1>it's been dope because I feel like this whole beef's

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>at least shine a light on a guy like Rayvon

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 1>who's and reason and obviously Daylight's a fucking alien.

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 2>He just dropped today, didn't he.

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I haven't listened, but I'm like when like, it's cool.

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I just thought that the perfect like you know, icing

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 1>on the cake would have been that cipher and then

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>it dies there. Yeah nah, it turned back up. Man.

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I think it's great right now, especially right now like

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 2>rap is in a I'm not gonna say music. Rap

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>is in like a weird space right now where I

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 2>feel like even the fans don't really know what they want.

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like commercially it's definitely like the last

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>year has been. I mean, Jesus, just Kendrick and Sissen. Yeah,

0:37:58.000 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Kendrick and.

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>But those are people that understand it at a high level.

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>No, for sure, And it's but it's like almost like

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 1>this weird space where it's like, Okay, then Drake drops

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Nokia and everyone loves the song, but it's not like

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>it's a great song. But I feel like I feel

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like in La at least or any of my rap buddies,

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to like it too much because it's

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>so good.

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.879
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the beef between Drake and Kendrick kind

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 2>of caused a divide between a lot of things. Like

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 2>even in the songwriter community, it's certain like songwriters that

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>fuck with one artist that makes sense won't work with

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the other one because they know that person likes it's

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 2>a heavy thing.

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>There is a real there is a real still divide.

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Like there was a situation recently that I won't say

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the names of, but let's say person A who had

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>a beef with Drake.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I know what you're talking about.

0:38:56.080 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>They had a VIP room reserved at a.

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Strip club and couldn't get in there.

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.880
<v Speaker 1>No, they reserved it. They're there all the time. By

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the way, person a that I'm talking about is a

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>fucking superstar level human in the music industry. Person by

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe not a superstar level person, but very close to

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a main guy in the big beef. Comes in and says, hey,

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 1>we want to take the VIP room. The strip club

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>says it's already for.

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 2>So and so that's why I said he couldn't get

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:27.840
<v Speaker 2>in there.

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Right and so yeah, it's so it's like this weird

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 1>thing where it's like, okay, and I happen to go

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>that night and I didn't know how because I've been

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 1>pretty critical of Drake on Twitter. Yeah, you know, was no, no, no,

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know how. You know. I ran into his

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>people and I wasn't sure until I saw them and

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>they were cool, and I was like, oh, okay. I

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>was like, I know I've been dogging out Drake on Twitter. Guy,

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 1>just being bluntly honest about the whole year.

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 2>No real talk, man.

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.919
<v Speaker 1>I think that it has changed music though. I think

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it's almost like I think Drake catching Oki

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 1>is great. And if as long as he just keeps

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>on putting records, it'll he'll I just don't think it

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the same.

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 2>He's Drake, Doug, He's Drake, but it'll never be the

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>same for a certain aspect and portion of hip hop fans.

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Here's a thing, right, And I said this once before,

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>it's culture verse commerce, for sure. I think I think

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Kendrick's problem well, and I'm speaking for myself, I'm not

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>speaking for Kendricks, right. I think Kendrick's problem was some

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 2>people of commerce come into our culture and turn it

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 2>to commerce, right, and this is a thing that that's ours.

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>It's is something we should be able to have control over,

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and at no any given moment should we be looking

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 2>at each other asking how did this happen for somebody

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>we didn't agree with to be here, not saying that

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 2>was Drake or whatever it may be. For sure, right,

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I think when culture will comes commerce, the person of

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:06.359
<v Speaker 2>culture at that time stood on it and he said, man,

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>this is our thing, this is what what we're standing on.

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And also pointed out a lot of like obvious things

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>that people just overlooked the whole time because they were

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>like the commerce part will make people overlook a lot

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:20.240
<v Speaker 1>of shit.

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 2>A lot of things, and I think Dot took it

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 2>back to culture and just back to ay Man.

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 1>We just rapping.

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 2>It's the essence of the bars, the sports. It's not

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 2>about the hits, it's not about none of this. It's

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 2>a friendly like he said, it's a friendly fade. Let's

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>keep it that way. He did say that, right, and

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 2>then let's keep it that way. And then it went

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else. And then when it goes somewhere else, now

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 2>you're allowing something to happen, to go further. And the

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>thing about West Coast niggas is we professional crash out artists.

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>So the minute that you invite the crash out, it's

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. It's gonna happen.

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then the super Bowl happens.

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Come on, now, the greatest Super Bowl performance of all time.

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, and I know that it's a

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>polarizing performance, but I think it was very much like

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>it was what it was art, yeah, which is what.

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Deeper than art. It was the story of the black

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:16.760
<v Speaker 2>experience in America.

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 1>And compensated in a fifteen minute.

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Every bar I write, like my verse on the Exhibit

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 2>album is about the Black experience in America. For sure

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>identify when I write with the Black experience in America.

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm always trying to make people think about the Black

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 2>experience in America. So if you're gonna glorify killing a nigga,

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the nigga, you gotta go glorify doing them thirty years.

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 2>You gotta glorify doing that life, because that's what come

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.280
<v Speaker 2>with it. Don't just tell one side of the story,

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 2>tell the whole experience. And what Kendrick did at the

0:42:49.239 --> 0:43:00.439
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl right for the NFL national televisis viewers, Eagles chiefs, right,

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 2>he told our story from the Black experience. Man, if

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.280
<v Speaker 2>you hate no Net, you hate yourself.

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was funny because it was like there was

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>either people who were Drake fans who said it was

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 1>overrated in trash, so that's like one bucket of people.

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Then there was people who just didn't get it because

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>they're like not so I talked generic music fans, but

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the hip hop heads are the people who were really

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 1>like culturally astute. They were like, yo, this is fucking brilliant.

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I talked to a friend of mine who actually works

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>at the NFL, and she's a white lady, Yeah, not

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>of the same ethnicity. And she said she didn't understand.

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 2>She went to the rehearsals and she's seen the whole thing,

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 2>and she just thought it was incredible. She didn't even

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>know what storyline and everything. And then when it happened

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and she seen the storyline hit the internet and all.

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>These different things, God, she was.

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Like, wow, I didn't notice, but it brought awadness to

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>things she didn't know to where she went and looked

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 2>into certain things, and she was texting me like, Yo,

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 2>I never knew this happened. I never knew Samuel Jackson

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 2>was bringing this up because of such and such and

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 2>such as this was an educational moment for the world.

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just for us, it was for the world.

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 2>And our salute bro for standing on that stage in

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 2>lending his platform.

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Just all of the like trends that came out of

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 1>but not like us dance at the Super Bowl.

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Everybody was wearing jeans for too much, had a Canadian

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:42.280
<v Speaker 2>tuxio doing tiktoksess crazy crazy, but that's culture.

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Has uh did you ever? Because you've been in the

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>studio with so many artists, what's been the one artist

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 1>you were able to be in the lab with with

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 1>the music didn't come out on the other side, but

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>you were just like, was it, Kendrick, Was it? I mean,

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I know you've been in with a lot.

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Of people a song I did with being in the.

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Studio with somebody helping out or just flying flying the

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>wall in the room like m and I would say Dre. Yeah,

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>probably the one.

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I would say Dre, even though there's more probably names

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 2>that would be entertaining for the Internet if I said it,

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 2>but to be honest, it would be Dre because Dre

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 2>has this attention to detail.

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I heard it, I heard it's damn near annoying for

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 1>me because it's such a perfections For me.

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't annoying because I was trying to understand the

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 2>idea of where he was going with it, and it

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 2>was a certain thing he was hearing to where what

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I figured out was he was hearing the music as

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 2>an engineer how the listener is going to hear it,

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking how I want to wrap it, So

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 2>he gave me a way to say it. So Yeah,

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 2>and he gave me a way to say it based

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 2>off how the listener will receive it, and when I

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 2>seen it, I was like, damn, Like he pays attention.

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>To any different way, like one of one detail, detail,

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>very detailed, and it'll inspire you, like it'll have you like, Damn,

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not taking my music serious enough.

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm not thinking about certain things. Like You'll be in

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 2>the studio with Dre and it'll be like these speakers,

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>these big ass speakers on the wall, and it's just

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>like you're like, man, well all these speakers in here,

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and he like, man, every pocket or that speaker got

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 2>a reason.

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>That's fire. You know what I'm saying.

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 2>That's the base, that's the trouble, that's this with So

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:37.919
<v Speaker 2>when you're mixing, like how does it sound it's coming

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 2>out that top part of the speaker, how does it

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 2>sound to come out the bottom part? Or like he's

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 2>he's intricate with it, like all the way.

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.959
<v Speaker 1>What are your Obviously somebody who you mentioned earlier who

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have an issue putting out music as our friend

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of Russell.

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shout out to the Russell.

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many albums he has now, but.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I think he's on forty something like that.

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>But he's also somebody who's like, you know, fuck man,

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the Russell's special guy. Man, he's kind of.

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I literally was just watching a video of him talking

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>to this lady who was I guess she was a

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 2>business owner at the theater he was booked at, and

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.759
<v Speaker 2>she was complaining about the noise and he just went

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>over there like so humbly trying to talk to her,

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and the lady was just being a complete asshole, like

0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 2>entitled to having a business next door. Like, lady, you're

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 2>next door to a fucking concert.

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>What do you think was gonna hap?

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 2>What do you think is gonna happen?

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Ye?

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 2>But I just, man, I salute dude, Bro, just for

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 2>being a good person, you know, like a lot of people.

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Notice I said it before. My mom lives by l Russell.

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I got.

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Family that's in that same neighborhood. It's so many times

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 2>that my aunt called me and be like, yeah, I

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 2>just ate at Momos. The Russell paid for everybody that's fire,

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Or he took care of

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 2>breakfast for everybody today, or whatever it may be. So

0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I just salute Bro, like he just a good person

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>at home, or make great music, great rapper, and I

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:03.719
<v Speaker 2>love what he got going on.

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 1>You guys should do a joint album. Man, him and

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Pilo did a whole fucking album for fos sake. You're independent,

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Now get one off. Let let let one off of.

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm with it.

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the Russell would like my process.

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Because it's too uh. I feel like Russell's very We're

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:19.240
<v Speaker 1>feeling it.

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 2>It sounds good and I'm gonna be like, uhh, this

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 2>hook ain't good enough. This, this drums ain't hitting. This

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>ship ain't mixed right like this. We gotta change it.

0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 2>It's not just that it's i have a different level

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 2>of taste now. I've developed a different level of things.

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I've seen more ship. I've seen why things are the

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 2>way they are. I've seen why things work, not what

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>makes them work, why they work. I've seen the quality

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 2>in the work ethic that goes into it. I spent

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.560
<v Speaker 2>time with Kanye Was for two weeks in Atlanta.

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 1>What was that like?

0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Incredible?

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Don two Dona Donda the first first so at the

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>at the Falcons School.

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm there in the stadium for two weeks watching this

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:08.760
<v Speaker 2>whole production.

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:10.359
<v Speaker 1>So I'm seeing this.

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, this is what I want for myself.

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not at a level to get it.

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Yet Kanye wants you to get on the hail Hitler

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 1>remix you jumping on it?

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:23.760
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I love Kanye, but he's on some bullshit.

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't lie though. That beat is crazy. I love

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Kanye like he's one of our great The beat of

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:33.760
<v Speaker 1>that song, if you just play the instrumental, it's so crazy,

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 2>But it's he's a fucking He's Kanye. He's one of

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 2>the most incredible artists that we've ever had.

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you think this whole thing is like a giant

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>think piece being being fleshed out to us live? Like

0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 1>he has an end game and a point he's trying

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>to make. It's it's it's the way he's trying to make.

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 1>It's rather ignorant. No, you don't think so. You don't

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>think there's any he means to the madness.

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I think the man is hurt.

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I think he's definitely hurt.

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I think the man is hurt, and I don't I

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 2>think he don't have people around him to vent to,

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 2>to give him honest enough advice to stay off the internet.

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 2>That's my opinion. I can be completely wrong. He might

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 2>make a tweet about me tomorrow and be like, simple,

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:21.879
<v Speaker 2>you came here and wrote a hook, don't say shit

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 2>about me whatever. But I'm saying, at the end of

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the day, I don't think the right structure for where

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.719
<v Speaker 2>he's at in life, as far as a father wanting

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 2>to see his kids, dealing with divorce, being the biggest

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.839
<v Speaker 2>star in the world, right, Adidas, dealing with stuff with

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:50.719
<v Speaker 2>your designs, right, And he's been through things that we

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen, right, A lot of things we haven't seen,

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 2>things with lawyers, right, trying to get his master's back,

0:50:57.280 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 2>or things with his children in court. We don't know

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.360
<v Speaker 2>these things. That's probably driving him to this point to

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>say these type of things.

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I think he's also probably to the point that if

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 1>you're not a yes man, you're gonna be excommunicated rather quickly.

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 1>It feels like anybody who's semi critical of what he's doing.

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:18.840
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's unhealthy.

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Now I do. I do. I did say this because

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Yo, there's there are people who have

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.960
<v Speaker 1>criticized him publicly who are supposed to be his quote

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.840
<v Speaker 1>unquote friends, who I hope would have had that conversation

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 1>with him personally first, or attempted to before publicly doing that.

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, I just think as a man, Bro, you

0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>represent more than you.

0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And even him like as a as a as a man,

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>but also as a I mean, he's he can't, you know,

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 1>be ignorant to the fact that he's the most influential

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 1>artist of all times.

0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>But that's kind of way, that's kind of what I'm saying.

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Is not only a man as as you just said,

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.120
<v Speaker 2>one of the most influential artists of all times, you

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 2>have a responsible.

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I think he's the most implant artist.

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:07.919
<v Speaker 2>Might be, might be right, whatever it is, you still

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 2>have a responsibility as the titles that you are. Outside

0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:17.800
<v Speaker 2>of being that right, outside of being the greatest artist

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:19.960
<v Speaker 2>of all time, You're still a father for sure. You're

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:23.720
<v Speaker 2>still a son, You're still somebody husband, You're still a friend.

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm still your friend, keV. If somebody call me right

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 2>now and tell me a bootleg keV says such and

0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 2>such and such and such about you, I'm gonna call you,

0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 2>even if they tell me and say, don't tell him.

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I told you.

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call you as your friend because we have

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 2>a vow to each other that we friends, and I'm

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.879
<v Speaker 2>gonna say, hey, Bro, did you say such and such

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and such and such because this person said that. And

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>if you tell me no, I'm gonna believe you because

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 2>that person told me not to tell you, and we

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna keep that amongst us. I think he's missing that,

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:58.640
<v Speaker 2>and I think he goes to Twitter and he lets

0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 2>it all out and he needs a friend and to.

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Talk to him, because then he's like with all these streamers.

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:08.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's wild because you got people that take advantage

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 2>of it. You got people that literally pull up and

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 2>act like they fuck with him as a person just

0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to get a moment podcast to be able to blow up.

0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, bro, you making this man look crazy

0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 2>as a father when he.

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Go to court. Yeah, we're in a weird place where

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 1>like there's like people who aren't even hip hop fans

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:33.920
<v Speaker 1>who are somehow like dictating conversations. Like I like the

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Aiden Ross dude talking about DOCI, was like, like, who

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the fuck is this?

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Fuck Aiden Ross.

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 1>He's a bitch.

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Fuck Aiden Ross, and I mean that with everything. Listen

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 2>to me. I'm not saying this on no threatening shit,

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 2>but I'm saying fuck Aiden Ross for disrespecting that black woman.

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Doci was at a met gala, probably had a moment

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 2>of being irritated and things going on. You don't know

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.279
<v Speaker 2>what it's like in that moment dealing with all of that.

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Who the fuck is you to speak to that woman

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 2>like that? Fuck you and fuck everything you got going

0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.319
<v Speaker 2>on for speaking of that black woman like that. We

0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 2>salute DOCI, We support DOCI, and we stand by DOCI

0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 2>in her moments of being frustrated and her greatest moments

0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 2>of winning a Grammy Nigga. We culture and this is

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 2>what we stand on. Fuck you, you're a guest here. You

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 2>have no right to talk to that woman like that

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>because you ain't good enough to even say nothing to her.

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think.

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what makes him a guest because

0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 2>he's not a hip hop The internet makes them.

0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:36.959
<v Speaker 1>It's just crazy because I remember seeing him and Kyle

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 1>from the Nelkboys, and I'm cool with Kyle, but I

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:42.719
<v Speaker 1>remember hearing them talk about euphoria. Yeah, and I was.

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 1>I put a comment under the video and I said,

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:49.840
<v Speaker 1>this is like watching two blind people discuss what a

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Picasso painting looks like because they have no fucking.

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 2>No, you're not even from this, You're not from this.

0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>You don't know the frustrations of being a black woman

0:54:58.400 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>at the Met gala.

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:03.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like, Drake fans aren't always hip hop fans. Fact

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:06.280
<v Speaker 1>to me, Like those guys are like they're Drake fans,

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:10.280
<v Speaker 1>they're not fucking hip hop fans, bro, Like, like these guys.

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Saw that shit pissed me off because what it showed

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:17.919
<v Speaker 2>me is, y'all, motherfuckers is getting too entitled. Fact, y'all

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:20.359
<v Speaker 2>getting too entitled to speak up on things that ain't

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 2>got nothing to do with y'all. That woman is dealing

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:24.879
<v Speaker 2>with something at the Met gallon that ain't got shit

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:26.439
<v Speaker 2>to do with you, and you calling her a piece

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>of shit. How she spoke to her team, Bro, you

0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:30.759
<v Speaker 2>don't know what was going on that day, and so

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:31.919
<v Speaker 2>shut the fuck up.

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And anybody who can listen to her project and say,

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>you know that she.

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<v Speaker 2>Ain't no mean as the industry playing ship she is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it was the Alum of the Year

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<v Speaker 1>last year, way early. I'm like, yo, this is by

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<v Speaker 1>far incredible, by far, body of work, by far, artistically,

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<v Speaker 1>she's insane. And anybody who doesn't, let's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Be real, that girl, that girl was vlogging five years

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<v Speaker 2>ago trying to get herself know who what fuck is

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<v Speaker 2>you for sure as an industry plant to call her

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<v Speaker 2>an industry plant she worked for that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. I think these streamer dudes make so much

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<v Speaker 1>money and that's fine because they develop a card and

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<v Speaker 1>all that money. I'm not even talking about like I like,

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I like high, but I'm talking about like, there's all

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 1>these gambling deals people are getting there, getting all this

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<v Speaker 1>fucking money, and it almost feels like people can equate

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they have fuck you money to being

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<v Speaker 1>like just shitty h Like, bro, you not on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't speak for other rappers and other entertainers when

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<v Speaker 2>they come to me. Ain't no way in the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>if I ran across aiden Ross right now, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say nothing to them right I'm gonna say something, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>because you got to be accountable for what you said

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<v Speaker 2>to that black woman. And I'm a black man. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I let you say that shit and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>check you, I'm just allowing you to think this shit

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<v Speaker 2>is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that sucks is there's still gonna be countless

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:57.240
<v Speaker 1>artists that that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all can do what trouble, But I'm like, yo, go

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<v Speaker 2>on to stream at least check y'all could do what

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<v Speaker 2>y'all gonna do. Y'all can go to his stream, y'all

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 2>can do all of that. That stream ain't that important

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also how you disrespect. It's not translating the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking you selling records.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, It ain't that stream. Ain't that important to me

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<v Speaker 2>for what you did to that black woman and how

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<v Speaker 2>you spoke on her. So until you apologize or until

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<v Speaker 2>you got something to fix that, nigga is fuck you.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I see you, it's fuck you, mister Ross period.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out the doc Alligator Bites don't healed in stores now?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? So music coming to and you're just working

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<v Speaker 1>out a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, we're working out home, We're working out some monuments, taking.

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<v Speaker 1>Meetings, figuring it out, figuring out everything. The meetings have

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<v Speaker 1>been great.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know where I'm going and the person who

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I've been talking to know where I'm going. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a traditional record label theme. No, it's not real,

0:57:55.400 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 2>but it is something untraditional. And this is a a

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<v Speaker 2>great friend of mine that I met a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and we just kind of see things the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>You about to sign the Gilbert Arenas. No, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ask. He's got stupid money. I don't know. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta spend gil.

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<v Speaker 2>So gil created a show called battle Mode that started

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<v Speaker 2>from our group chat. We were all playing video games,

0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:21.680
<v Speaker 2>so he went and created this show. So we all

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:22.960
<v Speaker 2>are that was in the group chat.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw you're just bowling with him. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>you're a good bowler because we.

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<v Speaker 2>Battle every day. Okay, so it's a competitive Nature's Nick Young.

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<v Speaker 1>If I send you over, I have an og Wizards jersey?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you going to sign for me? Yess?

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<v Speaker 2>Matter of fact, what are you doing next Friday? What

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing May thirtieth?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Probably be here.

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<v Speaker 2>May thirty if we're doing the championship of our basketball game,

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<v Speaker 2>you should come and bring your Wizards jersey and he'll

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<v Speaker 2>sign it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right there for you. Gilbert Arenas, man, let's make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>An Arizona Wildcat.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, let's make that happen. No, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big thing that we're working on. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>taking a little time. It's very un unconventional. It's something

0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:05.920
<v Speaker 2>that's new in this space. And these are great people

0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 2>and they have great vision. For fox sake. Put some

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 2>music out for fox sake. It's coming, I promise you,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, don't overthink it. I'm not you are I

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<v Speaker 2>promise you.

0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fucking great overthinker. I promise you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not all right.

0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I promise you. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's coming. Well, that and beyond a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like rapping.