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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live, presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, the Bills have ten new players on their roster,

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Speaker 2: actually eleven if we count the latest transaction today. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to that in a moment. Welcome to One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live here on a Monday. Chris Brown, Steve Task you

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Speaker 2: with you and yeah, the twenty twenty four draft class

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Speaker 2: is complete. It's complete.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And they traded back before they took Keon Coleman.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 1: We're all sitting there, You're You're sitting there with you

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Speaker 1: and Mattie are getting We're gonna go live after the

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Speaker 1: first round pick. It's gonna be awesome. Well they trade

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Speaker 1: back and like, oh, we gotta get then, you know,

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Speaker 1: So we're all sitting there going wow, it even pick.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting too that we of all the names

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Speaker 1: we thought, we thought Lad McConkie was on that list.

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Speaker 1: Certainly Keon Coleman was on the list. But but there

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Speaker 1: was a couple of guys that we thought were gonna

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Speaker 1: be there, that we had all of us thought. But

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Speaker 1: they had their pick of the guys that were left,

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Speaker 1: and they picked key On and I and you know,

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Speaker 1: you start reading about him starting to try and you

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Speaker 1: know see what they saw when you gotta kind of say, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm there with you. Let's go. The guy's big,

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Speaker 1: strong athletic. You got to you got a load of

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Speaker 1: his post draft interviews, and he is. He's a talkative dude.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot to say. Good for him, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he's an athlete. I mean, we're watching the highlights

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Speaker 1: now the one hand or you've all probably seen he's

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Speaker 1: an athlete. We'll see. There were times at this Florida

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Speaker 1: State offens this last year where it kind of turned

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Speaker 1: into you know, Keon's deep just heaving the ball. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are moments in the offense, yeah, nothing's working, just

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Speaker 1: put it out there to Keon. His career catch rates

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Speaker 1: ninety one percent or something like that. That is I

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Speaker 1: think of huge importance to this staff. His size, all

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Speaker 1: of it. He looks like the guy we thought, whoever

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Speaker 1: a big, tall, strong athlete. Here he is. Good for

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Speaker 1: him and i'm I'm I'm all about it. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: They traded back twice and started moving around. I think

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Speaker 1: that it showed great discipline by the Bills not to

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Speaker 1: just grab a guy, but to trade back twice knowing

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Speaker 1: the value is still going to be there and getting

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Speaker 1: some picks, flip flopping some picks late, ended up with

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Speaker 1: ten guys on this team. I told Brownie this morning,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go off on a tangent here,

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Speaker 1: but you look at the overall draft class, two tackles

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Speaker 1: and a center we've it gives me a great sense

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Speaker 1: of security that the Bills don't forget lessons they learn.

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Speaker 1: They got caught in twenty nineteen with a pretty good

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Speaker 1: team and no offensive line, and they fixed it. And

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Speaker 1: they have never forgotten that. They keep the big guys

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Speaker 1: up front of Josh, supplied and replenished all the time.

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Speaker 1: They lost Mitch Morris, they know that, but they've got

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Speaker 1: They threw in three big bodies into this draft class

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Speaker 1: when you know it really wasn't on anybody's radar. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a lesson they continue to be reminded of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they did do another trade down

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Speaker 2: in on Day three when the Bears came up to

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Speaker 2: make a pick, and the Bill added a fourth round

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Speaker 2: pick for next year, So they now have eight picks

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Speaker 2: next year. They've got a one, two, two's, a three,

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Speaker 2: two fours, and two sixes. So that's what they have

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Speaker 2: in the arsenal for next year. So some of this

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Speaker 2: these maneuvers for extra draft capital this year will not

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Speaker 2: this past year to acquire some veteran player when they

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Speaker 2: had to grab Rasoul Douglas. So outside of that, they

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Speaker 1: They have and you know, obviously we're here for eaton

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Speaker 1: We made the thing on Builds by the Numbers podcast,

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Speaker 1: Bran and I were talking about it. I was kind

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Speaker 1: and they certainly did. They traded down and they still

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Speaker 1: But man oh man, they got it done. I was

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Speaker 1: It was fun to watch, except staying out. I want

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we waited a long time for nothing to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, La, it's interesting right at the end of the

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Speaker 1: they want just like an offensive tame corner somebody, just

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Speaker 1: so they get that extra year of cheap labor. And

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Speaker 1: the Bills certainly just moved down one notch after they

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Speaker 1: traded with Kansas City. And you know, because Carolina wanted

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Speaker 1: that extra year. It's an economic decision right there, and

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Speaker 1: that's it was a valuable pick. And then the thirty

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Speaker 2: Billy getting a lot of calls. Yeah, pick thirty three

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Speaker 2: because I think everybody, and we had mentioned this on

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Speaker 2: Ricky Piersoll and Xavier Lagette went thirty one to thirty

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts, Brownie? You could about not only

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trading I would say the most.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like the Batman doing business with the Joker.

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Speaker 2: Well, I realize the Bills are this is for any

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Speaker 2: person in general. You're never gonna make everybody happy, But

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Speaker 2: I would say the disgruntled Bills fans were the most

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Speaker 2: irate after Night one. They had waited four months to

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Speaker 2: They add No. One and then, on top of it,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of angst floating around on social media,

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Speaker 2: as you might imagine, but people were like, unbelievable, how

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Speaker 2: kind of framed it pretty well. If the Chiefs weren't

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Speaker 2: a player up there that they coveted, and clearly they

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Speaker 2: coveted it. Xavier Worthy. I'm just going to be the

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Speaker 2: first to tell you, and I think we mentioned this

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Speaker 2: last week. I was not the biggest fan of Xavier Worthy.

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Speaker 2: Is he fast? He's unquestionably fast, fastest guy in the draft,

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Speaker 2: fastest guy to have a run at the combine. That

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Speaker 2: does not always translate to successful NFL career. Just ask

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Speaker 2: John Ross, who ran the previous fastest time. He was

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Speaker 2: His career was five, began five years ago and it

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Speaker 2: but he's got a twenty six inch waist and he's

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, I don't even know that

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Speaker 1: the Bills knew that they were going to take Worthy.

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Speaker 1: But if they did, and they had their own opinion

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Speaker 1: that's fine. But here's the thing. You're Brandon Bean is

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Speaker 1: responsible for building his team, and if the Chiefs want

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Speaker 1: to build their team the way they're building it, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: They got Mahomes, they got they get Kelsey, they got

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Speaker 1: their stuff they're doing. You can't try and build your

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Speaker 1: If the Chiefs want to go up there and do that,

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Speaker 1: Let them do it. And I say, if you if

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Speaker 1: I had no problem trading with Kansas City and letting

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Speaker 2: The Bills were because they're trying to trade out of

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Speaker 1: Out and they got a little something in return. They

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Speaker 2: I'm can get a little something. They got a top

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm okay with it. Chiefs are not You can't.

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Speaker 1: You're building your team. Let them build theirs. You build

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Speaker 1: You can't build yours and sabotage them at the same time.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to think that that was you can't

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Speaker 1: do business with the Chiefs because of the Chiefs. That's

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Speaker 1: a road you can't go down. Yeah, but you can't

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Speaker 2: Road in the grand scheme of things. You move back

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Speaker 2: Brandon was that the league screwed us out of a

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Speaker 2: third round pick as a compensatory for the Tremaine Edmunds

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Speaker 2: loss and free agency. And you have to believe they

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it wasn't there. Instead it's

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Speaker 2: a four, and not just any four. It's at the

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Speaker 2: end of the fourth round, right, So I think we

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Speaker 2: all kind of suspected that he had eye on reacquiring

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Speaker 1: The most impressive thing about his.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, Well there you go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so he's he's by far my favorite pick.

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Speaker 1: You think of this draft class, and I know, I

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Speaker 2: He was the eighth back off the board in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he is as much Keon Coleman. Okay,

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Speaker 2: He's your I mean, he's your third back right now

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Speaker 2: But Davis can do just about everything.

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Speaker 2: when you're trying to pass protect. Yeah, but that was

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Speaker 2: But I I I think he sticks. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: All? Right, Well, I did like Bishop. Yeah. I thought

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Speaker 2: Up size safety. You can do just about everything. Not

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Speaker 1: Van Pran Granger is pretty good. Pretty good pickup, three year.

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Speaker 1: That'll got some He's got some chops down inside, and

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Speaker 2: So, I'm just about every defensive tackle he went against

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So right, I think he's it's not going to

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Speaker 1: you know, they're just it's a it's a position group

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Speaker 2: don't know. We'll have to see how the depth charge

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Speaker 1: He's guys at three oh one getting ridiculous. It's stupid,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, played for twenty years, And I'm you know, that's

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Speaker 2: So but we know you want to weigh in. We'll

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Speaker 5: All right, guys, I just want to say I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: All right, Bob, thanks for the comments. Yeah, you're talking

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to see why somebody grabbed the guy,

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Speaker 6: What do you got first, Jeff, Hey, guys, I just

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Speaker 6: But the fact is that I know that they do

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Speaker 6: they have added pretty much, aside from what tight ending quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tight ending quarterback.

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Speaker 4: That was it. I think.

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Speaker 6: I think that's it. And they fortified everything else, and

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Speaker 6: you know, I think they did a great job. And

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Speaker 6: as far as Xavier Worthy is concerned, if they thought

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Speaker 6: that they were getting Tyreek Hill, then they would have

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Speaker 6: taken somebody would have taken him earlier. They would have

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Speaker 6: taken him in the top ten. So that's it, and

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Speaker 6: have a.

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Speaker 2: Good day, all right, thanks Jeff. Yeah, I was. I

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Speaker 2: was really happy with the depth they acquired on day three.

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Speaker 2: That was what I got most excited about because Ray Davis,

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Speaker 2: you know, we talked about a powerback guys two twenty

447
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Speaker 2: one and five eight and a half. I mean, he

448
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Speaker 2: is built like a fire hydrant, but he's got some

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Speaker 2: juice too, similar to Ty Johnson, and so I like

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Speaker 2: that pick. And then Steve already talked about Van Pray

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Speaker 2: and Granger, a center with tons of experience, played nothing

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Speaker 2: butt center. So if you were worried about depth, there

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Speaker 2: there's your answer. And then we talked about how linebacker

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Speaker 2: was a sneaky need for this team. You know, you

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Speaker 2: lost Tyrel Dotson in free agency to Seattle Tyler Matakaevich

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Speaker 2: is not re signed. So from a special teams perspective

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Speaker 2: and a linebacker depth perspective, you know, Ulifotio from Washington

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Speaker 2: played on a national runner up team and was a

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Speaker 2: team captain there and after tearing his ACL the previous year,

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Speaker 2: comes back and as a ninety tackle season. That's a

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Speaker 2: heck of a depth piece to have. And then Solomon

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Speaker 2: we just talked about, to give you some depth on

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Speaker 2: the edge, and then those two developmental offensive tackles along

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Speaker 2: with the corner de Kwon Hardy, who is right now

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Speaker 2: the odds on favorite to be the punt returner for

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Speaker 2: this football team and he's a pretty damn good one

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Speaker 2: and he's probably gonna back up Taron Johnson in the

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Speaker 2: nickel spot. So you want to talk about addressing depth,

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Speaker 2: you did it almost everywhere.

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Speaker 1: To Jeff's point, they picked, yeah, they you know, ten guys,

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Speaker 1: and you know the three of them were o lineman,

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Speaker 1: but one of them is the center and the other

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Speaker 1: two are tackles. And then you've got edge, you got

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Speaker 1: an off the ball linebacker, you got a safety of

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Speaker 1: wide receiver and running back. I mean goodness, gracious, you

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Speaker 1: got guys at every level of both sides of the football.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say it again, they had their pick of

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Speaker 1: a lot of wide receivers left on the board and

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Speaker 1: they started trading back, uh and got a guy they liked.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think they just had a lot of

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Speaker 1: confidence in their evaluations. You can say it now, certainly,

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Speaker 1: you can say, what if they trade with the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and the Chiefs take keyon Coleman, you know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You're you gotta willing, you gotta be willing to take

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Speaker 1: that chance, no question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think they're moving back four picks

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Speaker 2: unless they feel comfortable with either a what they have

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Speaker 2: on the board or that they just want to get out.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And Lad McConkie was still on the board

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Speaker 1: all those you know, so there's no reason, you know,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have more than a handful of guys that

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Speaker 1: they would have taken at the top of the second round,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: So let's go to Joe and Williamsville next.

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Speaker 7: What's up, Joe, Hey, guys, how you doing good. I

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Speaker 7: want to talk about our friend Chris Trepasso. I was

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Speaker 7: reading his evaluations of all the drafts the Bills. He

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Speaker 7: graded Ken Coleman, who has taken thirty third first pick

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Speaker 7: in the second round, as a C minus. And then

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Speaker 7: the very next player chosen at thirty four was mcconchney

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Speaker 7: and he graded him as an A. So I'll let

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Speaker 7: you you guys talk about that. But the other thing

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Speaker 7: I wanted to bring up, and this has got nothing

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Speaker 7: to do with the draft, but this has been bugging

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Speaker 7: me ever since the Digs trade was made, that they

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Speaker 7: negated his three year extension with the Bills. And I

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Speaker 7: don't know why a player would do a three year

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Speaker 7: guaranteed contract and just throw it out the window. Obviously

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Speaker 7: he must have agreed to it, and his agent must

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Speaker 7: have agreed to it. I'll hang up and let you

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Speaker 7: listen to you guys. Yeah, thanks again.

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Speaker 2: For taking a problem, Joe. You know, draft graders, they

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Speaker 2: come in all shapes and sizes, and we respect the

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Speaker 2: work that Chris does. I think he's grading it based

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Speaker 2: on fit for that particular team. He clearly thought that

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Speaker 2: McConkie was a better fit for the Chargers than he

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Speaker 2: thought Kean Coleman was for the Bills, and he's entitled

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Speaker 2: to his opinion. I think there are some draft graders

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Speaker 2: who value different things in receivers. And I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to speak for Chris, but maybe he values guys that

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Speaker 2: can separate higher than guys who make a lot more

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Speaker 2: contested catches. I'm not going to pretend to know how

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Speaker 2: he came to those grades for those two picks, but

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Speaker 2: I will say this, even I kind of got lured

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Speaker 2: into the trap of believing that the Bills needed a separator,

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Speaker 2: just like Diggs who went out the door via trade.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at Buffalo's roster, the truth is

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Speaker 2: they already have three separators at receiver on the roster.

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Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel as a separator, Khalil Shakir is a separator.

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Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid is a separator. And what did we hear

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean say the week before the draft when he

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Speaker 2: addressed the media, He said he wanted to diversify the

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Speaker 2: skill set of the receiving room. So what did he do?

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Speaker 2: He took the guy that plays bully ball better than

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Speaker 2: any other receiver in the draft. This guy routinely mosses

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Speaker 2: defensive backs and at six to three in change and

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Speaker 2: with a thirty eight inch vertical we know why and

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Speaker 2: so I think they looked at Keon Coleman as an

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Speaker 2: answer in diversifying their receiving corps. I mean, Samuel Kincaid Shakir.

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Speaker 2: I think we can all agree separators in the passing game.

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Speaker 2: What you didn't have was the big bully on the outside.

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Speaker 2: Now they signed Mac Collins six foot four and can jump,

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Speaker 2: Keon Coleman six to three in chain, thirty eight inch

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Speaker 2: vertical in a basketball background, Justin Shorter six foot four,

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Speaker 2: two twenty three size from last year in the fifth round.

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Speaker 2: And then the receiver they just signed today six foot one,

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Speaker 2: two oh two, Quintes Cephis, also with a basketball background.

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Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of a you think about

549
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Speaker 2: the last four receivers they've acquired since last year's draft.

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Speaker 2: Justin Shorter in round five, Mac Collins in free agency,

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Speaker 2: Keon Coleman in the draft, Quintes Cephis in free agency.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's over six to one, everybody can jump out of

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Speaker 2: the gym, and everybody's over two hundred and ten pounds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get there.

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Speaker 2: There's a theme here, and for a reason.

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Speaker 1: You get down to the twenty eighth pick of the

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Speaker 1: draft is where the Bills were sitting right, Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: had just been taking at twenty three, so five spots later, right,

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Speaker 1: So the Bills are sitting there. They have their choice

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Speaker 1: between Xavier Worthy, Ricky Piersoll, Xavier Legett, Keon Coleman, Lad mcconkee,

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Speaker 1: all those guys we've been talking about for weeks, and

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Speaker 1: they got one of them. And so that's the hand,

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Speaker 1: that's the fistfold that you're looking at. Right before the

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Speaker 1: run began. The Bills were sitting there right after Brian

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Speaker 1: Thomas Junior got picked, and you get to that spot

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Speaker 1: in the draft where they traded out, and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you got all those guys are still there, Worthy, Piersol, Ligett, Coleman, mconkie,

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Speaker 1: all those guys are still sitting there. And then Jalen

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Speaker 1: Polk gets taken about three picks later after that, so

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Speaker 1: they had their pick of all those guys. They picked

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Speaker 1: their guy, and they were perfectly happened to trade down

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Speaker 1: three or four spots, knowing that the receiver run was

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Speaker 1: going to come, and all those teams ahead of them

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Speaker 1: that were between twenty eight and thirty two where the

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Speaker 1: Bills were, they they started. That's right when it said

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Speaker 1: they took Ricky Piersoll, and then they traded out on

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Speaker 1: the thirty second spot with the Panthers and Panthers took

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Speaker 1: Xavier Leget So they had their pick of all those players,

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Speaker 1: and they were perfectly willing to trade back. That's being confident.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they they're gonna They're not gonna poll.

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Speaker 1: They had their pick of those guys. Now, in years

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Speaker 1: to come, you can you'll be able to come back

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Speaker 1: and say, well, you had this guy, this guy, this guy,

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Speaker 1: you should have picked this guy, and they might have

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Speaker 1: said you should have traded back further, or you should

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Speaker 1: have said you should have Maybe we will be saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: Worthy turned out to be a great player, and he's

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Speaker 1: the first guy weighs less than a hundred and nobody knows.

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Speaker 1: But that's but the Bills had their choice of all

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Speaker 1: those guys outside the top four wide receivers. All of

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Speaker 1: them had their choice, and they chose to trade back.

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Speaker 1: They chose to trade back, So I'm I'm gonna truy.

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Speaker 1: They knew what they were doing. I'm gonna trust him,

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Speaker 1: and they got the guy they wanted. If he doesn't

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Speaker 1: pan out, it is on them, It is on them.

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Speaker 1: But they were They had had their pick in this

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Speaker 1: draft of everybody outside Brian Thomas Junior, those top three

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Speaker 1: guys and BTJ and then and they got their guy.

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Speaker 1: They traded back and took their chances and got a guy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. But they knew what they were doing, and

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Speaker 1: they had a shot at everybody except those top four.

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Speaker 1: They could not get those guys.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, more of your phone calls

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Speaker 2: when we come back. Your biggest takeaways from Buffalo's twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four draft class when we return here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Klaide Helfit's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live, the Monday

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Speaker 2: after the twenty twenty four NFL Draft and taking your

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Speaker 2: phone calls. Three your biggest takeaways from Buffalo's draft class

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Speaker 2: eight O three ZHO five to fifty one eighty eight five,

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Speaker 2: fifty two, five fifty Then number to get on board

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Speaker 2: to Richard in Newfane, we go, what's up Richard?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, good afternoon, guys.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 3: First off, I want to say how lucky I think

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Speaker 3: we are in Western New York to have this show.

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Speaker 3: You guys bring this analysis to us every day, and

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Speaker 3: I just love it when we're wrong, you tell us

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Speaker 3: why we're wrong. When we're right, to tell us we're right,

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Speaker 3: and I.

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Speaker 1: Never met when we're wrong, I'll tell you that that's

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Speaker 1: never happened.

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Speaker 2: I said, into the trap of believe and we needed

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Speaker 2: a separator and receiver.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Richard.

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Speaker 3: I love that draft. The way he fills needs on

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Speaker 3: a roster. I don't think anybody can complain about it.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to see how many of these kids

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Speaker 3: make this roster. And it's just to me outstanding. I

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Speaker 3: want to see us go to a pure West Coast

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Speaker 3: type offense with double tight end uh see Josh under

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Speaker 3: center more for better playoffs. And he can spread the

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Speaker 3: ball around without a diva wide out that is manning

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Speaker 3: the ball all the time. So I'm just ready to

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Speaker 3: settle up and ride. Enjoy the team and this show. Guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, Thanks Richard for the crime words.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that. It's gonna be very interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: Those are the headline when he calls him.

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Speaker 9: That's right.

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Speaker 2: What kind of tweaks Joe Brady is going to make

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Speaker 2: to this offense because now that he is the full

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Speaker 2: time guy, after being the interim, he'll be able to

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Speaker 2: put his quote unquote fingerprints all over you know, the

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Speaker 2: nuances of this offense. So how will it morphin change

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Speaker 2: from what we've seen previously, because you know, I think

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Speaker 2: we all know what Brian Dable was about, and then

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Speaker 2: Dorsey kind of took the majority of that scheme and

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Speaker 2: made some slight adjustments. I think we're going to see

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Speaker 2: the biggest change in the offensive approach since Brian Dable

650
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Speaker 2: got hired right in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think that says a lot about where

652
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: this offense might be headed. Certainly, it when when there's

653
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: a change like there was. I'm trying to but you know,

654
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Speaker 1: I tried to put my mind to this today thinking

655
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: about what it was going to be like for Joe

656
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: Brady coming in this year and installing, taking over mid

657
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: season like he did a year ago. Here, the difference

658
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: would be more of it's a different vibe in the room.

659
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: You know, you got a different guy presenting the offense,

660
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: a different guy telling you the nuances of the plays,

661
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: why they're doing it, you know, just presenting the new

662
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: offense and the new game plans. Not the new offense,

663
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: but the new game plan every week. It's a different guy.

664
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Speaker 1: It's not Ken Dorsey, it's Joe Brady, So the vibe

665
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: is different. But there's only so much you can do

666
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: X as and o's wise because you're in this offense.

667
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Well now there's going to be a lot more changed

668
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Speaker 1: than just the presentation. You know. It's I'm sure they

669
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Speaker 1: did some of it last year where they started to expand.

670
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: It's more of this, less of that. They became a

671
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: little bit more of in a neutral down and distance.

672
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: They ran the ball a little bit more than they

673
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Speaker 1: had been doing under Ken Dorsey.

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Speaker 2: All of that.

675
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Speaker 1: Certainly, they are nowhere near being a run first offense,

676
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: which you know you shouldn't be in this day and age.

677
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: But they Shuirt certainly showed a willingness to power it

678
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: out at times when they had not done that before,

679
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: and I think it did help them. Well, all wants

680
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: face it. They were seven and one down the stretch and.

681
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Speaker 2: Their defense played pretty big for them. I mean, you

682
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: think about some of the tight games that they closed

683
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: out for the Bills. That road game against the Chargers

684
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: defense closed it out. AFC East title game against the

685
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: Dolphins defense closed that thing out with an interception at

686
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Speaker 2: the end of the game in a one score game. Yeah,

687
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: I mean the defense really came to play down the

688
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: stretch there and held them in some games where their

689
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: offense wasn't lights out.

690
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not forget too that nobody runs off and

691
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: leaves this team. I mean, you don't beat them by

692
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: more than a possession when you do beat them. And

693
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: for the six losses they had last year, Josh walked

694
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: off the field after having actively given them the lead

695
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: in with the two minutes inside the two minute warning,

696
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and they couldn't hold on to it and they couldn't

697
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: go fifty to fifty in those situations. They were two

698
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: and four and that was after Josh giving him the

699
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: lead or at least having the lead. So this is

700
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: a team that offensively, it's the offense that drives it.

701
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: There's just no question about it. Josh is an absolute

702
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: eight hundred pound gorilla out there. This offense is what

703
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: makes it go. They are part of the reason that

704
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: this conference, with Mahomes and Herbert and Lamar and He's

705
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: got they're the reason everybody's in an arms race. They

706
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: got to keep up with these jokers, and Josh is

707
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: a big reason why you got to keep up with Buffalo.

708
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be like that going forward, and I

709
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: just don't see it changing from that in the coming year.

710
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Keyon Coleman, Yeah, he's a nice piece, he's

711
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna help, but you've got Kincaid, Shakir Cook, and an

712
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: offensive line that can go and knocks, and I mean,

713
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: they just got too much going for him to fall

714
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: off the club, not the least of which is the

715
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: guy taking snaps. So this offense is still gonna be

716
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: This team is still gonna be a nightmare to face

717
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: and to beat on both sides of the ball. And

718
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 1: however many of these draft picks show up, it's gonna

719
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Speaker 1: be great. But this, to me, you needed some quality depth.

720
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Speaker 1: You want you're always looking for good players in the draft,

721
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: and I get it. They lost some, they lost some

722
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: some key individuals, But I'm telling you, man, there's still

723
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Speaker 1: nobody's breathing a sigh of relief in the AFC is

724
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: thinking Buffalo is going anywhere, because they're not. They're gonna

725
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: be right there. And so that's that's kind of what

726
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: I take away from this draft. Keon Coleman's gonna be

727
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: out there. You know, uh, these offensive line is gonna

728
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: continue to grind and Josh is gonna continue to be

729
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: an m v P. They're just not going anywhere. I mean,

730
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: they're you know this is they're gonna keep on keeping on.

731
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Speaker 1: And certainly you kind of went in the and Bill's

732
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: fans were like, gosh, this is an incredibly crucial draft. Okay,

733
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Speaker 1: they're all incredibly crucial because but picking twenty eighth and

734
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: then two years ago and we were picking twenty seven

735
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: or last year we're picking twenty seven or twenty five

736
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Speaker 1: whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: Not much has changed.

738
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Speaker 1: You got to get what you can get, and I

739
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: think the Bills do a really really good job of it,

740
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: really good job of it.

741
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Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but more of your phone

742
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Speaker 2: calls when we return on this Monday after the draft

743
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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, presented by co Lo out of Health,

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on One

745
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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you the Monday

746
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: after the draft, and got to get right back to

747
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: the phones where we got some people waiting patiently. We

748
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Speaker 2: go to John in Buffalo. What's up John?

749
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Speaker 10: Hey, how are you doing?

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Speaker 8: Guys?

751
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Speaker 10: Good quick question now that the Bill's draft is over,

752
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 10: is yeah, the Bills will be able to some undrafted players.

753
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 10: I was wondering if there's anybody on the radar, maybe

754
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 10: three or four receivers, and also has there been anybody

755
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 10: who's really made a difference, an impact player, you know,

756
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 10: signed after the draft recently?

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Speaker 2: Thanks Okay, sure thing?

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Speaker 4: John.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually spoke briefly with Brandon Bean after the

760
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: draft was over, and I asked him, you know, what

761
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: are you looking for in terms of numbers for undrafted

762
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: free agents? And he said ten to twelve. So that's

763
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: the number of players they're looking for. As he said

764
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: when he addressed the media yesterday after the draft, they're

765
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: probably not going to have a ninety man offseason roster.

766
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: They're gonna have less than that, and part of that

767
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: is due to their tight cap situation. But I did

768
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: see some reports out there about some of the players

769
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Speaker 2: that they are interested in and have reportedly signed. The

770
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: team has not announced any of these signings, but I

771
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: saw a report that Frank Gore, junior Southern miss running back,

772
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: and Frank Gore's son signed an undrafted contract with Buffalo.

773
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: The two receiver names that I saw, Ohio state wide

774
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: receiver Xavier Johnson, who largely played special teams, but again

775
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: is another big receiver with a basketball background six foot

776
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: two two five could have played Division one college basketball.

777
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: There's a theme here, Steve, and it's running through the

778
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: receiving corps. The other receiver name that I saw out

779
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: there as a potential undrafted signing for Buffalo again just

780
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: reported nothing confirmed by the team. Two lane wide receiver

781
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: Lawrence Keyes was another name I saw out there, but

782
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: the team will confirm it probably in a few days.

783
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: I would anticipate they usually confirm undrafted rookie signings around Thursday,

784
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: so we'll wait for that to come down later in

785
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: the week. I would expect some interior defensetive line editions,

786
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: maybe some secondary player editions where you need bodies, So

787
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: that's probably what's on the horizon here. Let's go to

788
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Speaker 2: Ryan and Toronto X.

789
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Speaker 1: What's up, Ryan, Let's.

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Speaker 5: See love the show.

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Speaker 9: To be quite honest, guys, I'm not a big fan

792
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 9: of this draft class of what being being dead. I'll

793
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 9: give you reasons why. I'm not too sure why he

794
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 9: tailed down to the second round to draft Coleman when

795
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 9: he could gart him at first round twenty eighth sick

796
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 9: that gives you one extra year or the fiftyeer option,

797
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 9: and why the way the wide receiver Salt is going

798
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 9: and having thirty many a year, who knows what's going

799
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 9: to happen in five years from now that money he

800
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 9: could have saved. Secondly by giving up the pick to

801
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 9: Chiefs and with via Worthy being picked up by the

802
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 9: chief he reminds me of DeShawn Jackson. He also reminds

803
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 9: me of Trade Hill two point in Hoero. With the

804
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 9: arm strength that Josh has. Do you have this kid

805
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 9: Olivia on the roster? You know what Josh grew Roge

806
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 9: it to him. I just don't understand. I'm a little confused,

807
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 9: especially why he would have put Coleman on the second

808
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 9: line on the fust round to say that fififtyd option.

809
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: Please explain, Yeah, I think Ryan, it's a very simple explanation.

810
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean wanted more draft capital in the top one

811
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: hundred picks by moving back five spots and still getting

812
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: one of the top receivers on their board in keyon Coleman.

813
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: He was also able to acquire pick number ninety five

814
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: from the Chiefs and knowing he was comfortable sliding back

815
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: to the top of the second round. What it said

816
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: to me was, and he kind of mentioned this after

817
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: Night two of the draft. He essentially said and confirmed

818
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: for us that they felt there was better depth in

819
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: rounds two and three of this draft than there were

820
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: in round one. Now, there's some elite talent in round

821
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: one and some players that have damn good NFL careers.

822
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to deny that for a second, but

823
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: he said, point blank, we had more players with round

824
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: two grades on our board than we did with round

825
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: one grades on our board. So if you're picking at

826
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Speaker 2: twenty eight and you have more players with round two grades,

827
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Speaker 2: and you believe the meat and potatoes of this draft

828
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Speaker 2: is round two and three on Night two, and you

829
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: only have one pick there, and then you have an

830
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to slide back just five spots, still get a

831
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Speaker 2: top receiver and add another pick in the area of

832
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Speaker 2: the draft where you feel depth is best. To me,

833
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: it's a no brainer. Now, I'm not going to pretend

834
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: that thirty one other teams felt the same way, but

835
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: the Bills have been pretty darn good grading out their

836
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: boards over the years, So if they feel there's better

837
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: depth of talent in round two. Not better overall talent,

838
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: but better depth of talent, and you give yourself three

839
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: picks on that day instead of just one. I don't

840
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: even think it's a second thought.

841
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: I said it in the last segment. I think the

842
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: Bills were very happy with the number of guys that

843
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: were there at twenty eight, and knowing that they traded back,

844
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: they were still going to get one of the guys

845
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Speaker 1: that they could really that they liked. Whether it was

846
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, whoever it was. It could have been. It

847
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: could have been Maconkee, it could have been Polk, it

848
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: could have been Lagett, Kean Coleman, Ricky, Piersoon. All those

849
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: guys were still there. Xavier Worthy, And I'll say this too,

850
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm I don't think and maybe you can say what

851
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: you want. Yes, the Chiefs are two timed, you know,

852
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: world champions now defending two time world champions and won

853
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: three out of the last five. So they're doing something

854
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: right over there. I get it. And if they say

855
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: something people are like going, well, they must know what

856
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: they're doing. I don't know about Xavier Worthy, Brownie and

857
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: I have not are not as high on him as

858
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: obviously the Chiefs are.

859
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Speaker 2: But and the Chiefs have drafted well, I'll give it

860
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: to them, they've done it absolutely.

861
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I the Bills had their pick of

862
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: like five or six guys right that were taken right

863
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: around the right where they picked with Worthy and then

864
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: all the way back to uh, you know lin Jalen Polk,

865
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: all the way back to him. All of those four

866
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: five six guys, the Bills had their pick of all

867
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: of them, and they and they picked one, and they

868
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: picked up a third rounder to do it. So I

869
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: think they're really happy. And if you, if you pushed

870
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: them hard that, I'm pretty sure they'd say there were

871
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: a couple of other guys in there, they probably would

872
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: have drafted there too, if if somebody would have taken

873
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Speaker 1: Keon Coleman.

874
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: And I'll just say this with respect to the fifty

875
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: year option, Ryan, Yes, it's a way to hold a

876
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: player on your roster for another season, but it's not

877
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: at a cheap cost. You're paying big money. I mean

878
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: T Higgins on his fifty year options costing the Cincinnati

879
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 2: Bengals almost twenty two million dollars. So to not have

880
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: that is, to me, is not a huge deal. It

881
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: is if you have a quarterback I'll give you that.

882
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that it matters so much at receiver

883
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: because if the guy's really good, you're signing him to

884
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: an extension anyway. I mean, just because you don't have

885
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: the fifth year option doesn't mean you can't hold on

886
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: to a player. It's a nice tool to buy you time.

887
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: It's a time it's a time delayer. You know, you

888
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: can kind of give yourself more time to talk contract extension,

889
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: but it doesn't keep you from holding on to a

890
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: player you like. The player sign him to an extension,

891
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: right whether he's a first, second, third, or eighth round

892
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: pick or seventh round pick.

893
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: So that to me is you're and I'll say this too,

894
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: and I get that too. And we mentioned it earlier.

895
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: If some of those teams really covet that fifth year

896
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: coming into a player's career, having it set costs, But

897
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: you got to make that You're gonna make that Choice're

898
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna be on the hook to make that choice. After

899
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: three years, you'll be a and if you're gonna if

900
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna if you're gonna pull Kyler Murray, the kid

901
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: may not want to play for you the final two years.

902
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: He may say you either sign me to an extension

903
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: right now or not quite. Frankly, the you can make

904
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: that same decision if your team after three years, whether

905
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: you got the fifth year or not. If you're gonna

906
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: sign the guy, sign him. Brownie's right. The fifth year

907
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: is nice if it's a quarterback and you're talking about

908
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: fifty five million bucks a year, But if the guy's

909
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: a center or an offensive tackle, it's not quite that urgent.

910
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: And you get to pick anyway when you'd extend the guy,

911
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: and you can always you can always franchise at kite

912
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: as well if you're if you're if you want to

913
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Speaker 1: take an extra year. So yeah, I'm I totally get it.

914
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: And some teams like that. And it is a coveted

915
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Speaker 1: spot at the end of the first and the top

916
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Speaker 1: of the second. The Bill's knew it and they took

917
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: advantage of it. But I don't think that's a deal

918
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: breaker for picking a guy who, if he's the right guy.

919
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but when we come back,

920
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Speaker 2: we're gonna break down. The Buffalo Bill is twenty twenty

921
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: four Draft class with senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell,

922
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: and his final appearance here on one Bill's Live before

923
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: his summer break. We'll catch up with Greg next here

924
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health.

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00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 11: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 3: One Bills Live presented CALLLIGHTA help all right?

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Speaker 2: Here we are our number two on the Monday after

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Speaker 2: the NFL Draft, Chris Brown Steve tasking with you and

929
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: joining us for the final time before his long awaited

930
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Speaker 2: summer break. Greg co Sell, senior producer from NFL Films,

931
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Speaker 2: to chop up this draft class with us, and uh, Greg,

932
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Speaker 2: do you have your flip flops and beach towel ready?

933
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Speaker 8: H Now I do not, but you know, I'm hoping

934
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Speaker 8: you guys have all your grades for every team in

935
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Speaker 8: the draft.

936
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Speaker 2: Oh heck no, I don't have time for that. I

937
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: don't have time for that.

938
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Speaker 8: I know me neither.

939
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Manny, And I spoke to you on

940
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Speaker 2: our live stream on Friday night after you know, Keon

941
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: Coleman went off the board first to the Bills. But

942
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to bounce this off you because if you

943
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: look at the last four receivers UH acquired by the Bills,

944
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: just looking at draft and then you know, Justin Shorter

945
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: from last year's draft, Matt mac hollins and free agency

946
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: this year now Keon Coleman, we just got confirmation that

947
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: they signed Quintes Siphiz, who is admittedly a back of

948
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: the roster receiver, but another.

949
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 8: I guess they like big receivers.

950
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: Huh, another guy with a basketball background. But there is

951
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: a definitive theme here, Greg in the type of receiver

952
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: they've been looking for of late. And I know that

953
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: they have separators on the roster already in the form

954
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: of Kincaid, Shakir Samuel. What do you think this signals

955
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: about what they're looking to do with all this size

956
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: they're trying to add.

957
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 8: The great question because all these guys are big, and

958
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 8: some of them can run. Some of them man Cephiss.

959
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 8: It's funny. Cephis was a really interesting guy to me.

960
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 8: I think he came out of Wisconsin and he did

961
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 8: not run well at all, But when he got an opportunity,

962
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 8: he actually made catches and he moved better on the

963
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 8: field than he did in a forty time. He hasn't

964
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 8: played in a bit. It'll be interesting, but they've decided

965
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Speaker 8: they want to go big. I don't know what that means, Brownie.

966
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 8: As far as the style of offense. I mean, Joe

967
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 8: Brady is now here for a fall off season, so

968
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 8: he can put in things he wants to do, whereas

969
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 8: last year it's tough to really do that in the

970
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 8: middle of a season. You can make a tweak here

971
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 8: and there, as we're looking at Cephis, but I'm really

972
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 8: curious what that means. I mean, he had big, physical

973
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 8: receivers at LSU. I mean had Jefferson, you know, he

974
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 8: had Chase who's very physical. He just may like those

975
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 8: kinds of receivers. And you know, the other interesting thing

976
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Speaker 8: is last year, what did we see a lot of

977
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 8: when Joe Brady took over a lot of quick game

978
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 8: short throws right and big receivers. You know, they make

979
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 8: those catches and there's a physicality that's required in those

980
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 8: kinds of throws. So maybe that's the thought process. I

981
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Speaker 8: don't think we'll know until we get really to training camp.

982
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to take that one ste further because

983
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: I've seen it written. I don't know that I necessarily

984
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: believe it, but I've seen it written that if there's

985
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: one thing in Joe Brady's background that he doesn't do

986
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: all that often is scheme receivers open, So could that

987
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: be maybe part and parcel as to why size has

988
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: now become a priority. Guys who can quote unquote win

989
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: even if they're not necessarily open.

990
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 8: And you know, that's an interesting comment. I read that too.

991
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 8: I certainly haven't studied Joe Brady in great detail, you know,

992
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 8: in all his stops. I mean, when I looked at

993
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 8: LSU the year in twenty nineteen, I was looking, you know,

994
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 8: some more at the players as opposed to breaking down

995
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 8: the exact scheme. But he was also with Sean Payton,

996
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 8: who does a really good job of scheming receivers open.

997
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 8: So I have to believe, guys, that's in his background somewhere,

998
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 8: you know, that somewhere along the line he knows how

999
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 8: to do that. Now, again, we don't know until we

1000
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 8: get to training camp really and start playing games exactly

1001
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 8: what his past game is going to look like. But

1002
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 8: if if that's the consensus, and if there is truth

1003
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 8: to that, then having big receivers is certainly an advantage.

1004
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: One of the things about these draft rates, that draft

1005
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: grades that come out right after is most of the

1006
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: grades really are swayed by the top couple of picks. Sure,

1007
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: Atlanta's getting crushed for taking a quarterback after signing Kirk Cousins,

1008
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: and now their whole draft class stinks. Well, you know,

1009
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Mike Pennix is a good player and he may not

1010
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: be playing this year, but the rest of their draft

1011
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: class should have something to say about how their draft

1012
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: class is. But they're not doing it that way, right,

1013
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: So let me.

1014
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 8: Give it to you.

1015
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: Talk about the top first Bills, a couple of draft picks.

1016
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: U keon Coleman and cole Bish.

1017
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, we talked a little about Coleman the other night,

1018
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 8: and just to get back to him, I think Coleman.

1019
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 8: There's a lot to unlock with Coleman. I went back

1020
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 8: and forth on him watching his tape. There were times

1021
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 8: I really like him, in other times I was uncertain.

1022
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 8: You know, I wouldn't call him sudden in his movement.

1023
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say he's a burner. You know, you'd probably

1024
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 8: say his play speed is above average. But there's not

1025
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 8: a He's not really a burst or second gear guy.

1026
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 8: He certainly has good hands. He can make those crowded

1027
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 8: environment catches and those again that gets back to the

1028
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 8: big receivers. I think that his size and his overall

1029
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 8: trades profile would suggest that he's a boundary X type receiver,

1030
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 8: the single receiver to the short side of the field.

1031
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 8: I finished my evaluation when I typed my transition saying

1032
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 8: that my senses there is more to unlock with Coleman,

1033
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 8: and there's no question there's a looseness within his body

1034
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 8: that's there to be developed. So you know, I kind

1035
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 8: of felt like there's a lot more there. And bottom

1036
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 8: line is when you're talking about, you know, the first

1037
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 8: pick in the second round, and they obviously feel the

1038
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 8: same way. I'm sure a lot of people felt they

1039
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 8: shouldn't have passed on other receivers, but we don't know

1040
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 8: what their draft board looks like. And that's easy to

1041
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 8: say from the outside. I don't do that because you know,

1042
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 8: I don't know what their board looks like. And guys

1043
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 8: that work at this all year round, I figure that

1044
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 8: they have a pretty good sense of what they're doing.

1045
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 8: Which doesn't mean you get everything right. No one does.

1046
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Speaker 8: It's impossible. But that's what Coleman is. He's a big guy,

1047
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 8: and you know, his vertical jump was off the charts.

1048
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 8: We'll see, you know, but he's he's a big, physical

1049
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 8: guy and he obviously likes certain kinds of coach, which

1050
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 8: we found out in his press conference.

1051
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, Macy should get on the phone with

1052
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Speaker 2: him tomorrow.

1053
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 8: Look tunny of the guy I loved. If you want

1054
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 8: to go further here.

1055
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: Well, let's quickly touch on Bishop. Good size safety, played

1056
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Speaker 2: a lot more near the line of scrimmage, as evidenced

1057
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: by his tackles for a lost total and used as

1058
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Speaker 2: a run blitzer and a pass blitzer.

1059
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Speaker 8: Yeah. One of my favorite guys in the draft. By

1060
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Speaker 8: the way, I love Cole Bishop. I watched him last summer,

1061
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 8: I watched him this year. I think he's a really

1062
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 8: really good prospect. He's got great size, he's got physicality,

1063
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Speaker 8: he's got athleticism. He's got really good play speed and

1064
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 8: range to make plays all over the field. I think

1065
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 8: he's extremely versatile. There's no question. On his tape you

1066
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Speaker 8: saw him play post safety and Cover one and Cover three.

1067
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 8: He can play half field safety and Cover two and

1068
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Speaker 8: all the variations of Cover four. He's smooth, he's fluid,

1069
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 8: he can change direction, he's physical. I think he's a

1070
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Speaker 8: really smart, savvy player. I really like to call Bishop's

1071
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 8: tape and when the Bills drafted him, when I when

1072
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Speaker 8: I saw the pick, I said, well, that's a really

1073
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 8: really good pick. It would not surprise me, given that

1074
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Speaker 8: he's played a lot of football, if he's a starter

1075
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Speaker 8: as a rookie. No, I'm not saying that he is.

1076
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Speaker 8: You know, no one knows the answer to these questions.

1077
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 8: I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me.

1078
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: And you talk about, you know, at a spot of

1079
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: need as well, I mean, with poor your both out

1080
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: the door, you know, having a young guy with the

1081
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: same kind of skill set, being able to be physical

1082
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: up inside like Poyer was, and also being able to

1083
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: play every ramification of the defense. I mean, how howdy

1084
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: wide a variety of defenses? Did he play at Utah?

1085
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 8: He played a bunch. Utah did a lot of stuff.

1086
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 8: By the way, they got a really good decoordinator for

1087
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 8: college football. I forget his name, but would I saw

1088
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 8: Utah play a lot? And obviously I saw a lot

1089
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 8: of Cole Bishop's tape. But you're dealing with the guy

1090
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 8: that six two two oh six ran really well. I

1091
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 8: think my sense is he probably tested a lot better

1092
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 8: than people thought because his vertical jump was tremendous. The

1093
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 8: only negative about him and it's really weird given his

1094
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 8: size is his arms are really short. Now again different

1095
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 8: coaches view that in different ways, but his arm length

1096
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 8: is really short relative to his overall size.

1097
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see that. Uh yeah, Morgan Scally the

1098
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: DC at Utah.

1099
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, there you go. I think they do a really,

1100
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 8: really good job. Just like I said, I'm not breaking

1101
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 8: down all their schemes, but Utah has got a lot

1102
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 8: of defensive players the last couple of years, and they

1103
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 8: do a really good job. They're not one of those

1104
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 8: vanilla defenses that just lines up and plays. They do

1105
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 8: a lot of stuff.

1106
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: Guy that they took next may have the highest football

1107
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: IQ of the entire class, Dwayne Carter from Duke. Not

1108
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,959
Speaker 2: exactly off the charts measurables, but proven production here.

1109
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think you're dealing with a guy that's

1110
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 8: that's scheme in front, versatile. He's got pretty good off

1111
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 8: the ball quickness, he's got natural power. Those trades translate

1112
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 8: to you know, whether you're playing an even front and

1113
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 8: odd front. You know, he can play really in any

1114
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 8: four man D line front. He's a tackle, not an end.

1115
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 8: Even though he played a lot on the outside at Duke,

1116
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 8: he won't do that in the NFL. He's just over

1117
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 8: six two three oh two. You know, I think his

1118
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 8: game is built more on leverage and power. He can

1119
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 8: execute that power profile from multiple alignments, us the defensive front.

1120
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 8: You wouldn't say he's a sudden explosive athlete. He's not

1121
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 8: necessarily gonna win with flexibility and bend and and short

1122
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 8: space explosiveness. But I think that there's just a consistency

1123
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 8: to his game. He just he's physical, he's powerful, and

1124
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 8: normally power translate. So I wouldn't expect him early on

1125
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 8: to be anything more than a rotational player. And he's

1126
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 8: not going to be a high SAT guy. But you know,

1127
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 8: he's he's a smart player and he's got that that

1128
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 8: power profile that that as I said, usually transitions well.

1129
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: One of the things that little I think a little

1130
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: bit of an unexpected pick was Ray Carr Ray Davis

1131
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: out of Kentucky the running back. You know, the Bills

1132
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: have two quality guys in their stable, but getting in

1133
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: the fourth rounds and to me, it's they picked a

1134
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: couple of guys in the third round running back. Now

1135
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: to just go fourth one round later to get a

1136
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: running back, it says a little something about what they

1137
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: expect from from this guy.

1138
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 8: I like Gray Davis a lot. He was a guy

1139
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 8: that I remember when he was at Vanderbilt and then

1140
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 8: he transferred to Kentucky. You know, he's short, but he's

1141
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 8: he's not small. He's two hundred and eleven pounds at

1142
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 8: just over five eight. He packs a lot of quickness

1143
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 8: and power in that stout compact frame. He's got explosive

1144
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 8: shore area burst. He's not a long speed guy, but

1145
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 8: they have that so you know. He's a one cut

1146
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 8: downhill runner in his own run game, and he worked

1147
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 8: really effectively off the polar wrapper blocks in the Gap

1148
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 8: Scheme run game. He's physical, He's got a low center

1149
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 8: of gravity, a really strong lower half. He can run

1150
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 8: through tackles, really good leg drive contact balance. You know

1151
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 8: you wouldn't you know. Like I said, he's not explosive,

1152
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 8: but there's kind of an efficient smoothness to the way

1153
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 8: he runs. You know. I think that he just has

1154
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 8: a great feel for navigating space at the second and

1155
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 8: third levels. He absolutely was a real good receiver too

1156
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 8: in college, but I don't think they drafted him for

1157
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 8: that purpose. But I kind of liked him. I was

1158
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 8: I didn't know that much about him, other than I

1159
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 8: remember during the season he had that ridiculous game I

1160
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 8: think it was against Florida where he rushed for what

1161
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 8: two to eighty or something like that. But I kind

1162
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 8: of liked him when I watched his tape. He was

1163
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 8: really an intriguing guy to me.

1164
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he led Kentucky in receiving touchdowns last year. I

1165
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: mean he's yeah, he got.

1166
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 8: Him receiver brownie, I mean, and he caught some vertical throws.

1167
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 8: I remember one where he worked through the line of

1168
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 8: scrimmage and then ran kind of a rail route and

1169
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 8: caught a touchdown. I forget who that was against, but

1170
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 8: it was it might have been Louisville up memory serves

1171
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 8: me correctly, But you know, he's a He was a

1172
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 8: really good receiver.

1173
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Next up was the center from Georgia. Brandon Bean

1174
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: revealed to us that he sent Aaron Kromer down there

1175
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: to work him out, and even though he played only

1176
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: center at Georgia his entire career, he said, Kromer thinks

1177
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 2: he could offer some guard position flex But why don't

1178
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: you tell is what your thoughts were on Van prim guagrew.

1179
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 8: And I could see that he is over six four.

1180
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 8: He was two ninety eighth the combine. I'm sure that

1181
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 8: will increase in the NFL. You're dealing with a guy

1182
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 8: that's played a lot of football. Forty three starts for Georgia.

1183
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 8: That's pretty high level competition. Obviously. I thought he was

1184
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 8: a really efficient player. I thought he was just good

1185
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 8: as a run blocker and pass protector. I thought he

1186
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 8: had leverage, natural leverage, good play strength. I thought he

1187
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 8: understood how to use his hands. The more I watched him,

1188
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 8: and of course you always watch a lot of Georgia,

1189
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 8: I see a ton of SEC games just because they

1190
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 8: have so many players in the entire conference, the more

1191
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 8: I liked him. I thought he was one of the

1192
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 8: better offensive center prospects in the draft class. I thought

1193
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 8: his game was built more on sort of physicality, competitive toughness.

1194
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 8: I wouldn't call him a great athlete. I wouldn't say

1195
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 8: his great movement, but he does have enough functional lateral quickness.

1196
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 8: He could climb to the second level enough in the

1197
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 8: run game. I just think these kinds of guys to me,

1198
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 8: and I'm and guys. I'm not an offensive line guru

1199
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 8: by any means, but I think guys like this play

1200
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 8: in the league and and very often they start.

1201
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: Okay, right, give us an idea about the.

1202
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 8: Ed Oh he was. He was a fun guy to watch.

1203
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 8: He was on a Washington defense that that was had

1204
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 8: a bunch of players as well. Now, this is a

1205
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 8: guy that's more of an athlete than a physical player.

1206
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 8: You know, when you watch him play, I think that

1207
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 8: there are a lot of linebackers in the league like that. Now,

1208
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 8: you know, he sort of fits the profile of the

1209
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 8: will linebacker in a base four three, which, of course

1210
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 8: we know they play a base four to three. From

1211
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 8: an athletics athletic traits perspective, you're dealing with a guy

1212
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 8: that is athletic. He can move, He's got lateral quickness

1213
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 8: in the box. There are times he looks sudden, explosive

1214
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 8: in a short space. He had a good feel for

1215
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 8: navigating through traffic. You know, I think that he played

1216
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 8: physically but not powerfully, and there's a difference. In other words,

1217
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 8: he didn't shy away from being physical, but he's not

1218
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 8: a really powerful human being. So when you talk about

1219
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 8: the stack and shad element, that's something he would need

1220
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 8: to work on. I think there were times I felt

1221
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 8: that he didn't see things as clearly as you need to. Again,

1222
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 8: I don't know if that's a fixable thing or not.

1223
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 8: It's probably why given his production that he's a later

1224
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 8: round pick. But he certainly has the athletic and movement

1225
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 8: trades to develop into a starting will linebacker, but there

1226
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 8: are elements of his game that need to be improved

1227
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 8: and refined before he could reach that level.

1228
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was an interesting case study, especially with the

1229
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: injury history as well. Then we got the guy. Then

1230
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: we got the guy who led the FBS in sacks

1231
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: last year, Javon Solomon from Troy. And we know, oh,

1232
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: Troy has a history of producing some pretty good edge

1233
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: rushers in the NFL. This guy is kind of short,

1234
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: but he's got long arms. Greg, Yeah, he.

1235
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 8: Was another fun guy to watch. You know. When the

1236
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 8: Bills picks came up, I was like, oh great, I've

1237
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 8: seen these guys and I kind of like watching them.

1238
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 8: You know, this guy plays with such high level intensity

1239
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 8: and competitive in his snap after snap. I said he

1240
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 8: would find a place in the NFL despite not possessing

1241
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 8: some of the critical factors many teams look for in

1242
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 8: age rushers. And you just hit on one, Brownie, I

1243
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 8: mean he's he's only six one, he's two forty six.

1244
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 8: You know, his his athletic testing measurables were good, but

1245
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 8: not off the charts. But he does have really long

1246
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 8: arms about thirty four inches. But he's got a compact frame,

1247
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 8: and I thought that, you know, the way he played

1248
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 8: at Troy this year, I don't think he's gonna play

1249
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 8: like that in the NFL. They used him a lot

1250
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 8: as a four technique up over tackles. I mean, I

1251
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 8: think in the NFL he's really an edge player. Who's

1252
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 8: who's gonna play outside the tackle? And you know, I

1253
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 8: think he's He was a really interesting guy. He's got

1254
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 8: first step explosiveness. He can carry that burst and speed

1255
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 8: through the runway and around the edge. He beat offensive

1256
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 8: tackles on the high side. He does have that motorcycle

1257
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 8: leane off the edge, that body flexibility. He's gonna need

1258
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 8: to develop more counter moves and more refinement. Obviously most

1259
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 8: pass rushers need to do that. Uh, But he was

1260
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 8: a fun watch and a really interesting guy.

1261
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems to be really slippery off the edge,

1262
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: like like a like a river running around a rock, right.

1263
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's he's just it's hard to get really

1264
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: good solid contact on him. It looks like we watch

1265
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: offensive lineman try to block him.

1266
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, and and and he was so first step explosive

1267
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 8: Steve that a lot of times these tackles. And again,

1268
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 8: he played at Troy, So we're not gonna sit here

1269
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 8: and say that that's going to translate exactly because he

1270
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 8: wasn't necessarily playing against NFL offensive tackles. And we all

1271
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 8: know you need more than just that in the NFL,

1272
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 8: just you know, winning on the high side, beating guys

1273
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 8: off the edge. You need more than that to be

1274
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 8: an NFL pass rusher. But there's an explosive element to

1275
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 8: his game. It was Brownie. It was kind of an

1276
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 8: interesting pick because normally they've gone for bigger guys on

1277
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 8: the D line in terms of height, and they drafted

1278
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 8: a guy that's that's you know, shorter clear. You know,

1279
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 8: he doesn't meet sort of the physical measurables that they

1280
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 8: normally looked for.

1281
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you wonder if they feel like the long

1282
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: arms can make up for something. But yeah, I mean

1283
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 2: I kind of thought from time to time he would

1284
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 2: get uprooted in the run game too, so he might

1285
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: just be a situational pass rusher.

1286
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 8: But yeah, I'll tell you one thing, Brownie. He did

1287
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Speaker 8: at times, but he fought and he battled. In other words,

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Speaker 8: he didn't just get moved where easily. There were times obviously,

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Speaker 8: you know, he did get moved to some degree just

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Speaker 8: because he's only two forty six. But he battled, he competed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that you look at some of

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Speaker 2: these later picks, like we just touched on Ulefocio and Solomon,

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Speaker 2: these are two guys with longer arms, you know, at

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Speaker 2: the edge slash linebacker position, and I wonder if they're

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Speaker 2: thinking about the new kickoff as well. Longer arms will

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Speaker 2: help you there too. And so it kind of got

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Speaker 2: me thinking about that. Last guy we wanted to cover

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Speaker 2: with you was the Penn State nickel corner de Kwon Hardy,

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Speaker 2: who is probably gonna be Taron Johnson's backup, but he

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Speaker 2: might get on the field because knowing Deontay Hardy isn't

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Speaker 2: here anymore, this guy is gonna have a good look

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Speaker 2: at the punt return job.

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Speaker 8: I would say that's absolutely true, you know, because as

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01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 8: a corner, he's a slot you know, that's where he

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Speaker 8: predominantly played because he's undersize he's got athleticism, he's got movement.

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Speaker 8: That that's his game. He's actually a good blitzerry off

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Speaker 8: the slot if he has to play there. He's a

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Speaker 8: twitchy athlete.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 8: Obviously Johnson's one of the better slides corners in the league.

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Speaker 8: But if by chance you were to get hurt, you know,

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Speaker 8: Hardy has played there. He's best suited there, you know. So,

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Speaker 8: but I agree with you. I think that the special

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Speaker 8: teams element of his game is really really important. I mean,

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Speaker 8: I think this past year he averaged about fifteen yards

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Speaker 8: a punt return, and that's that's pretty good in any league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he had two in one game for touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Granted it was against UMass, but that's not easy to do.

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01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean two return touchdowns as the same No, so

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Speaker 2: that's something. And he's like four to three eight, right,

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 2: he's four three eight speed, I think is what he timed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. No, I believe you're right. And he can Yeah,

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Speaker 8: he can run for sure. So yeah, No, it's see

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Speaker 8: the You know what people have to understand I hope

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Speaker 8: is that when you get later in the draft, there's

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Speaker 8: reasons why guys get picked later. Now, again, do some

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Speaker 8: guys make it, and no one's right all the time. Sometimes,

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Speaker 8: you know, you know how it goes. A guy makes

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Speaker 8: it as a six round pick and everybody says, oh,

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Speaker 8: you know, how come people didn't know that? Well, that

1331
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Speaker 8: happens sometimes, but more often than not, there's reasons why

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Speaker 8: these guys get drafted where they are, and if they

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Speaker 8: make it, there's a lot of variables that go into play.

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Speaker 8: You know. It's like the linebacker from Washington. I kind

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Speaker 8: of liked his tape, but if he didn't make it,

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Speaker 8: I would understand why he didn't make it. You know,

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Speaker 8: Solomon doesn't make it, I would understand why. But on

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Speaker 8: the other hand, I think they have traits in which

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Speaker 8: they could make it, depending on how they're deployed and

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Speaker 8: the situation.

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Speaker 1: All Right, one last thing before I let you go, Greg,

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Speaker 1: we get back to the top of this draft and

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Speaker 1: how this unfolded. The Bills and traded back twice, once

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01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: with Kansas City and then once more with Caroline. Yeah,

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01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round, they're sitting there

1346
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Speaker 1: at twenty eight and there's only been four wide receivers taken.

1347
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Speaker 1: It was all in the top three, and then Brian

1348
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior right so there's all these guys left and

1349
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: the Bills are sitting there with their pick of the litter.

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Speaker 1: They could have taken all of these guys they want to,

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Speaker 1: and they chose to draft drop back twice, and then

1352
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Speaker 1: they got Keon Coleman. What does that say about the

1353
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: value they place on all those guys? You throw them

1354
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: into a bucket, take the best one out of there.

1355
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Speaker 1: Because right around where the Bills didn't pick, you had

1356
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: Worthy go off the board, Okay to Kansas City. Then

1357
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: you had Ricky Piersoll and Xavier ly Get go off,

1358
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 1: and then the Bills still have their pick between Keon Coleman,

1359
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: Lad mcconky, and Jalen Polk. I mean, all three of

1360
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Speaker 1: those guys are still on the board. So what does

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Speaker 1: it say to you when they get back to the

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Speaker 1: twenty eighth pick and all those guys are still on

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Speaker 1: the board that they decided to trade back twice.

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, teams have a really good feel

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Speaker 8: for where other teams are going to do number one

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Speaker 8: and number two. It tells you that they wanted Coleman,

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Speaker 8: and people can debate that all day long, but we

1368
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,879
Speaker 8: don't know what their draft board looked like. And fans

1369
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 8: might think, oh, w you know worth these better? This

1370
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 8: guy's well obviously the Bills didn't think. So they thought

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Speaker 8: that Coleman was the guy they wanted. And they knew

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Speaker 8: that the Chiefs were not going to take Coleman because

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01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 8: he doesn't really fit you know what, and he Reid

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Speaker 8: normally does. And they knew that the forty nine ers

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Speaker 8: were not going to take Coleman because they sort of

1376
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 8: have that kind of receiver. So they kind of knew

1377
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 8: that Coleman would be there because that was the first

1378
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 8: pick of the second day, was it not. Yeah, they

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 8: kind of knew based on all the things. I mean.

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Speaker 8: I talked to coaches at the Combine and they know

1381
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 8: all these things about every coach in the league. It's

1382
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 8: that's the way it works. They know each other. So

1383
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 8: they kind of knew what was going to happen. So

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Speaker 8: it tells you that in their mind, Coleman was the guy.

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Speaker 8: And it's funny when I was on the field at

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Speaker 8: the Combine and there are coaches who, you know, lead

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01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 8: the drills. I talked to one wide receiver coach who

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Speaker 8: absolutely loved Coleman. He had them, you know, really high.

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Speaker 8: I talked to by the way, just to show you

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 8: how different it is, you know, with different coaches. I

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 8: talked to a coach this week last week, excuse me,

1392
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 8: before the draft who's been in the league thirty years. Okay,

1393
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 8: he had a d Mitchell who didn't go until the

1394
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 8: second round, probably because there's some concerns of character. He

1395
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 8: had a d Mitchell ahead of a Doonesday on his board.

1396
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Speaker 8: So there's all kinds of different boards, you know. And

1397
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 8: when people say, oh, well they blew it, they should

1398
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 8: have done this, you know, those are just comments. They

1399
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 8: don't mean anything. We don't know what anybody's board looks like.

1400
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Speaker 8: And clearly the Bills knew that Coleman would be there

1401
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 8: and that's the guy they wanted. Now we just have

1402
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 8: to wait and see what happens. Nobody knows the answer

1403
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 8: to that either.

1404
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: Greg, Thanks as always for all your help this season

1405
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: and in the off season. Enjoy your summer. We'll catch

1406
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: you up with you in the fall.

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Speaker 8: You know. It's funny, Brownie, I was thinking the other

1408
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 8: day that it just doesn't seem that far off that

1409
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 8: like training.

1410
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: Camps got there. You know, it's a twelve month season

1411
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: and that's all. It's year round season.

1412
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 8: All right, guys, I love it. It's always thanks for

1413
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 8: having me a lot of thing.

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Speaker 2: Greg, take care. That's Greg CoA Saleseni, your producer from

1415
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: NFL Films, and Come the Fall will also start winding

1416
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: up that co hosting role of ESPN's NFL matchup.

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01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: That's interesting because he's right. I guess he's right. He

1418
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: knows teams do have a sense for what other teams think, and.

1419
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 2: They put a lot of time into that as well.

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01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: That's well, it's important because you you've heard rare well,

1421
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: you do hear it once in a while, but you

1422
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: rarely hear teams going, oh my gosh, I didn't think

1423
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: they're you know what I mean, they're gonna take there.

1424
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: They took our guy, I mean Bill. The Bills knew

1425
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: exactly last year the Kincaid was gonna get snapped up

1426
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 1: by the by the Cowboys, and they grinched, went up

1427
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: and got him. So, you know, they know around them.

1428
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: They knew Kansas City wasn't gonna take Keon Coleman. They

1429
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: knew the Carolina Panthers weren't. They were flip flopping picks,

1430
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: and they knew they weren't gonna take him that he's

1431
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: the guy they liked. Well, okay, we'll see nowt Now,

1432
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: we gotta wait and see. We gotta wait and see.

1433
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 2: Proof will be in the pudding. Gotta take a break here.

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01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll take more of your phone calls.

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Speaker 2: We also want to play a couple of comments from

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01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean from his end of draft press conference with

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01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 2: the media on Saturday night. We'll get all of that

1438
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 2: to you next year on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 4: Stay with us.

1440
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: All right, back here on one of Bill's Live, Chris

1441
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 2: Brown Steve Tasker on the Monday after the twenty twenty

1442
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 2: four NFL Draft, looking for your biggest takeaways from the

1443
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: Bills Hall of ten players and back to the phones

1444
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: we go, and leading us off in this segment is

1445
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: Tom and Williamsville.

1446
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 4: What's up?

1447
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 2: Tom?

1448
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 12: Okay, I'll tell you what I really think. The Bills

1449
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 12: traded up with Kansas City for one reason. The Bills

1450
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 12: didn't want to pay for a first round draft choice.

1451
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 12: The guy that the Kansas City Chiefs.

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01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 3: Got was at ten.

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01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 12: The guy that the Bills got with us five. And

1454
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 12: if you don't think the Bills need money, why is

1455
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 12: why is Pepula looking for somebody to be a partner

1456
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 12: with him. That's exactly what happened.

1457
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 2: All right, You're entitled to your opinion, Tom. I'll respectfully

1458
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 2: disagree with you, Okay, I mean I'm not I listened.

1459
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: I can tell by the tone of your voice. Tom,

1460
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: we're not going to convince you otherwise, So you can

1461
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: say what you want. I don't think. In fact, I

1462
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: know Terry Bagool is in the draft room. He's not

1463
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: telling them to get out of the first round because

1464
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: we've got to save money.

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01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 2: I mean, if anything, Terry Pagool has done the exact

1466
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: opposite with all the contracts that they've restructured and renegotiated.

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01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: People don't realize this, but that's money out of the

1468
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: owner's pocket right then and there, because you're giving them

1469
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 2: a bonus to spread out over the life of the deal.

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01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 2: It's more money out of the owner's pocket when you

1471
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: renegotiate contracts, which they've done ten twelve times the last

1472
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: two years alone. So to me, it's not it doesn't wash.

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01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say this too. And I'm not for nothing

1474
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: because I'm it's a lot of money we're talking about.

1475
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 1: But these this rookie, this one year of the NFL draft.

1476
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: This rookie class that you're and you're saying you don't

1477
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: want to pay a rookie first round rookie whatever whatever

1478
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: that is. That's not even spitting in the ocean with

1479
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: amount of money we're talking about.

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01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars.

1481
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: They and listen, they just yeah, So they just got

1482
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: a new coo for both the Bills and the Sabers.

1483
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: You think Pete Whaley's working for free. I mean there,

1484
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: they'll spend the money if they need to spend it.

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01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think trading back twice has anything to

1486
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: do with the money that they're going to pay the

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01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: first round draft pick. Now, all this other stuff, as

1488
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: I you may know something about the finances of the

1489
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: the Googlers that I don't know. Maybe you do, but

1490
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: I don't think this draft half pick, dropping back five

1491
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: spots has anything to do with that.

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01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just gonna tell you the twenty eighth

1493
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: pick in the draft last year, Miles Murphy, who was

1494
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 2: a defensive end and a high price position, but he

1495
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 2: signed a four year, twelve million dollar deal, And then

1496
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: the thirty third pick in the draft last year was

1497
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 2: Will Levis, the quarterback for Tennessee, signed a four year,

1498
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: nine and a half million dollar deal. You're talking about

1499
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: the difference of less than three million dollars over four

1500
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 2: years between those five picks. So I will respectfully tell

1501
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: you you're wrong. Tom and Williamsville for three million dollars.

1502
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 2: We wouldn't want to sign somebody in the first round

1503
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 2: and pick five picks later. It's a two and a

1504
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 2: half million dollar difference in total contract value. Not correct. Sorry,

1505
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones and to dread in Buffalo.

1506
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 4: What's up, dred?

1507
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 13: Hey, what's up? Brownie? I called about a week before

1508
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 13: the draft in Steve poop pooled me because I told

1509
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 13: him the twenty eighth pick was going to be very valuable,

1510
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 13: and it turns out it really was.

1511
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, in terms of getting extra draft capital, right.

1512
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 13: That's why I said, no, you could use twenty twenty

1513
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 13: five draft capital and got it back with the twenty

1514
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 13: eight pick.

1515
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand what you're talking.

1516
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: Whut do you want to go back up after moving down?

1517
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 13: No? I don't ever want to go down. I wanted

1518
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 13: to trade into the first round with the capital from

1519
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 13: twenty twenty five and get it back when we trade

1520
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 13: the twenty eighth pick.

1521
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: So you want to, so you want to you want

1522
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: to trade next year's draft picks to move back up

1523
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: to where.

1524
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 13: I want to move up into the first round perfectly

1525
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 13: Brian Thomas where wherever Brian Thomas went before there? Yeah,

1526
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 13: and then when we get to twenty eighth pick, then

1527
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 13: she with the opposers are as far as trading back, you.

1528
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 14: Can get one way, right, Dread, you wanted you wanted

1529
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 14: to trade next year's draft capital without trading your twenty

1530
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 14: eighth pick to get up to twenty three where Brian

1531
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 14: Thomas Junior was.

1532
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 13: Picked somewhere in that area.

1533
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you could get that done, bless your heart,

1534
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: because who you know you think they're gonna say yes

1535
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: to that.

1536
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: A lot of teams in Round one want hold on, Dread,

1537
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: hold on, Dred.

1538
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 8: Let me just think.

1539
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: I just want to explain something really quick, and then

1540
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: you can go. Most teams in Round one when you

1541
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 2: want them to move out, they want draft capital from

1542
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 2: this year, even when you're trading, even when you trade

1543
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: up for quarterbacks and give future picks, they want they

1544
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 2: want capital this year.

1545
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,759
Speaker 13: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying it will be easy,

1546
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 13: but I'm saying they could be done.

1547
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: All right.

1548
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 2: It hasn't been done often though. I'm just gonna tell you,

1549
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 2: So they want capital this year.

1550
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: If they're giving up a one this year, So you

1551
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: thought Minnesota would do.

1552
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: That the originally helicick.

1553
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: They got the twenty three.

1554
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 13: They just wanted to trade up to get pick that

1555
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 13: we just did. It could have been getting twenty twenty

1556
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 13: five draft capitol back.

1557
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying yeah. I mean, I respect what you're saying.

1558
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 2: Dread It's not impossible. I know the trade value chart

1559
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 2: tells you you can do it. But I'm just telling

1560
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 2: you most teams in round one, if you're looking to

1561
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 2: get back in the round and all you're giving them

1562
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: is a future one, I think there's got to be

1563
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 2: more to it than that to give. They're giving up

1564
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: a first round pick this year in a class with

1565
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: a lot of elite offensive talent. I mean, that's why

1566
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 2: you only saw one, two, three four trades in the first.

1567
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: Round, and we had two of them.

1568
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Minnesota had the other two. So I think

1569
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: it was gonna be really hard this year with the

1570
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: amount of elite talent let alone up above twenty three

1571
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 2: because a lot of teams didn't. I mean the San

1572
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers. John Lynch went on record saying

1573
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 2: he only had twenty two players with first round grades,

1574
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 2: and Brandon Bean told us they had more players with

1575
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 2: second round grades in this draft than first round grades.

1576
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: To me, I thought it was smart to dread. You

1577
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: may have a better plan, but uh and I don't know.

1578
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: You'd have a hard time convincing me to do that

1579
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: if I was a GM of another team. I don't

1580
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: know if that I would, especially this year. So maybe

1581
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: you're maybe your playing would have been better, but we'll

1582
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: never know. And if you don't like, you could just

1583
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: say you don't like the way the Bills did it.

1584
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: But I guess that's what you're saying anyway. But we'll see. Yeah,

1585
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: we'll see how it works.

1586
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: Out break time for us here. We'll try to take

1587
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: a call or too when we get back here on

1588
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Stay with us. Welcome back to One

1589
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Chris brow As, I just discus it's South

1590
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, Uh yeah, squeeze in a phone call here,

1591
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Tom and lack of Wanta What do you got Tom.

1592
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, I just wondered the last guy called did

1593
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 6: he used to watch Popeye where Wimpy would say, how

1594
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 6: gladly for you Tuesday for Hamburger today?

1595
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1596
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 8: You know.

1597
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 2: I mentioned Wimpy to my wife the other day when

1598
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 2: I talked about some of these ridiculous NFL trades, and

1599
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: she's like, I don't remember that at all, and I

1600
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 2: was disappointed. I was honestly disappointed. So thank you for

1601
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 2: bringing that up, Tom and bringing it to my attention.

1602
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad somebody else remembers Whimpy from Papa.

1603
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: It's yeah, the trade, any trade that you can fathom,

1604
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: and the caller wanted to trade next year's one and

1605
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: whatever else it took next in next year's draft, not

1606
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth pick of the draft, but to virtually

1607
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: have the twenty third pick of the draft and the

1608
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: twenty eighth pick of the draft and then trade back

1609
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: with the twenty eighth when you got there, and I

1610
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, you're not You're just not gonna get

1611
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: that done anymore time going to do it.

1612
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 2: I apologize to Tom. I accidentally hung up on you,

1613
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: and I know you wanted to ask how much Keyon

1614
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 2: Coleman can replace Gabe Davis. He has a higher catch

1615
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 2: rate than Gabe Davis. I'llbe it at the college level,

1616
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: not the pro level. I think he can help just

1617
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: as much in the run game as a blocker, and

1618
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a better receiver on

1619
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 2: jump balls than Gabe Davis, who had a fifty eight

1620
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 2: percent catch rate in his time as a Buffalo Bill.

1621
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: So there's the answer there. Let's go to Elliott in Rochester.

1622
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 2: What do you have forus?

1623
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 15: Elliott, Hey, Christ and Steve Hopefully you both enjoyed the

1624
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 15: draft weekend as much as me. Just a few things

1625
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 15: touching on the previous call the Sellar Caps, so it's

1626
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 15: a real consideration. It probably played a parcel role and

1627
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 15: moving back to the thirty third pick, but it's definitely

1628
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 15: not the end.

1629
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 3: I'll be all. And the other thing is, just.

1630
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 15: For the love of God, stop worrying about trading with

1631
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 15: the Chiefs and Xavier Worthy of this and Zavi Worthy

1632
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 15: that like, we have to focus on our own team

1633
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 15: in the obvious. Stop being paranoid about what other franchises

1634
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,480
Speaker 15: like did chief are doing with their roster. Again, Xavierworthy

1635
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 15: was never going to be a Buffalo Bill if you

1636
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 15: think they're going to run out three receivers on the

1637
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 15: field that are six foot and five eleven. And I

1638
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 15: just have a hard time believing that Kean Coleman is

1639
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 15: the guy that Josh wanted the four six one forty time.

1640
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 15: That's a fake read on how fast this guy really

1641
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,839
Speaker 15: is for anyone who watched him play. And Jordan Travis

1642
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 15: wasn't really near the top of quarterbacks in college football

1643
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 15: last year, so we definitely haven't seen Coleman's ceiling. Plus,

1644
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 15: these trades open us up to get Dwayne Carter Captain

1645
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 15: out of Duke. I mean, he's a real great guy

1646
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 15: off the field, it seems like, and he's gonna fill

1647
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 15: in behind Ed Oliver. Who knows what happens with Oliver

1648
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 15: in the future. We got a true center and Cedric

1649
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 15: van Pran who we lost two centers, Ryan Bates and

1650
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 15: Mitch Morris this offseason, so we had to get a

1651
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 15: true center. That's a great trade. That's Galaxy brain right

1652
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 15: there by Brandon Bean and the later trades opened up

1653
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 15: the Bills to get a fourth rounder next year in

1654
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 15: exchange for a fifth rounder. You can never argue against that.

1655
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 15: With the Packers trade. We also got an extra pick,

1656
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 15: so we build you some depth in the secondary with

1657
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 15: de Kwon Hardy and then who knows with Jamon Solomon Edge.

1658
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 15: Who knows what kind of you know, mentoring he can

1659
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 15: get and what he can offer on the field. But

1660
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 15: I thought they did a really good job. I wouldn't

1661
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 15: say it was perfectly executed, but definitely the panic and

1662
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 15: some of the paranoia that's coming out of people just

1663
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 15: needs to stop. I think the Bills did a great

1664
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 15: job in the draft. So curious on your thoughts.

1665
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're up.

1666
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: We're up against the Elliott So thanks for the call.

1667
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it reminds me a lot, Steve,

1668
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 2: of all the New England Patriot paranoia that we went

1669
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 2: through for fifteen years. Anything they did was fantastic.

1670
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: You got it perfect. Build your own team, don't worry

1671
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: about them, do your own thing, Build a team with

1672
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: the guys you believe in and go from there. And

1673
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: the Bills have done a really nice job to this point.

1674
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, more draft coverage and review tomorrow when we join

1675
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: you at one pm. We'll see if there's any news

1676
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: on the undrafted. It's all so official. They picked up

1677
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: the fifty year option on Greg Russ. That's a done deal.

1678
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: We'll see tomorrow.