WEBVTT - The Dog Will See You Now

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<v Speaker 1>Bushkin. What's her name?

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<v Speaker 2>Cooly? Sorry there you got some fun names.

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<v Speaker 3>K U L.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooley. It's a Belgian melanoa sleek, lean, dappled gray and black,

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<v Speaker 1>panting happily on a patch of grass way up in

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<v Speaker 1>the hills of northeastern Alabama. This dog is probably from hungry, hungry, hungry,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Held ill exactly have her information?

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty four months or below?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty four months or below. We have all that paperwork

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<v Speaker 2>at the office, but right her own.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the biggest tongue I've ever seen. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>standing in front of a cluster of concrete buildings spread

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<v Speaker 1>over a large, rolling, wooded campus an hour or so

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<v Speaker 1>from Birmingham, the headcore of an organization called three sixty

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<v Speaker 1>Canine Group. The whole operation looks like a scaled down

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<v Speaker 1>army base, only instead of soldiers marching to and fro,

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<v Speaker 1>there are dogs, dozens and dozens of them, Poppies stumbling playfully,

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate labs chasing things, German shepherds looking for a job

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<v Speaker 1>to do and cooling. One of the operation's newest recruits,

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager in dog years, being put through her paces

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<v Speaker 1>a robber toy for which she has acquired. A certain

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<v Speaker 1>affection was taken from her and her job is to

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<v Speaker 1>find it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see, like, where is she slaughtered? Right here,

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<v Speaker 2>so she called the over here. Turned. Once she turned,

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<v Speaker 2>she can see.

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<v Speaker 5>That wokake Ovisually.

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<v Speaker 1>She has never done an exercise like this before, and

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<v Speaker 1>the assignment has filled her with enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 2>Us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Coolie is standing in front of one of the cabinets.

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<v Speaker 1>Tail waggings were but she never toldly was in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooley's a good girl, all right. She follows her nose

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a lot to learn from her. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to the final episode

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<v Speaker 1>of season six of Revisions History, my podcast about things

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<v Speaker 1>overlooked and misunderstood. This has been a season devoted to

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<v Speaker 1>fixing things, college rankings, laundry, the Little Mermaid. We have

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<v Speaker 1>looked at many burning issues and said we can do better.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are some problems that we cannot fix on

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<v Speaker 1>our own. Some problems are so big they can only

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<v Speaker 1>be solved with the help of another species.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is our dark room test.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooley's undergoing yet another test with the same goal as before,

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<v Speaker 1>find the hidden toy, only now the lights are off

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<v Speaker 1>and the toy is not in the first room COOLi enters,

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<v Speaker 1>but in a second, smaller room off to the side.

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<v Speaker 2>This also tells us if it takes her a little

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<v Speaker 2>while to try to find it, how much hunt draft

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<v Speaker 2>she actually has, so it's not just immediate to make sure,

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<v Speaker 2>even after she gets tired, even after she's hot, but

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<v Speaker 2>she still wants that toy enough to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooley bounds in sniff's the first room, everything all four walls.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she zeros in on the closet. We can't see her,

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<v Speaker 1>only hear her. Her trainers, Sean and Ashley are grading

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<v Speaker 1>every step of her performance on a long, detailed checklist.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hear the difference in a yes when she

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<v Speaker 1>got it out him and she's gotten out for.

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<v Speaker 5>Cans.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooley walked across a mattress, didn't stop, jumped on one

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<v Speaker 1>end of a makeshift teter totter, didn't phaze her.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the dogs that people get as pets, and

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<v Speaker 2>they eat their couch and they're the worst, terrible pets

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<v Speaker 2>that make the really really good dogs.

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<v Speaker 6>For the most part, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Love all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>She runs down a hallway, sniff sniff a large canvas

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<v Speaker 1>bag is suspended from the ceiling, ready to drop and

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<v Speaker 1>block her way, and pulled up to the ceiling, big

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<v Speaker 1>heavy bag.

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<v Speaker 5>Three guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Here she comes. We all jumped when the bag dropped

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<v Speaker 1>from the ceiling. Cooley didn't. She paused, looked at the bag,

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<v Speaker 1>sniffed it, and carried on. Dogs noses are something like

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand times more sensitive than ours. A puppy

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<v Speaker 1>fresh off the boat can find a hidden toy in

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<v Speaker 1>a darkened room. Dogs can perform all manner of olfactory

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<v Speaker 1>tasks using judgment, drive, and discipline. It's their superpower. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why they are dogs at the airport sniffing luggage, or

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<v Speaker 1>why it's always a dog who finds the hiker lost

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods. Spend a little time at three point

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<v Speaker 1>sixty k nine in the hills of Alabama, and every

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<v Speaker 1>one of your preconceptions about the genius of dogs will

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<v Speaker 1>be confirmed.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a dog, a black lab that we retired,

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<v Speaker 3>and we allowed the dog. You know, we had a

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<v Speaker 3>ceremony and we bought we ceremony and we hired you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a local bakery that makes dog friendly cakes, so

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<v Speaker 3>we had a cake for the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>We were sitting in the three sixty Knine conference room

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Jerry Johnson and John Pierce, two of the

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<v Speaker 1>company's senior executives, two hardcore dog guys, talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>best they ever saw.

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<v Speaker 3>And we had the dog in the room and run

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<v Speaker 3>around and just you know, an off leash and sniffing

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's super friendly dog. The lady comes in to deliver

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<v Speaker 3>the cake and she's got on her boyfriend or husband

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<v Speaker 3>with her and he's standing there hole in the cake

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<v Speaker 3>and the dog key's running up behind the guy and

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<v Speaker 3>going behind him and basically like sniffing his rear in

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<v Speaker 3>and sniffing the back of his uh, you know, his shirt,

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<v Speaker 3>and won't leave him alone. And I remember who asked him,

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<v Speaker 3>but finally someone said, all right, yeah, John said, are

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<v Speaker 3>you carrying a weapon? And he was like, no, I

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<v Speaker 3>was carrying a weapon. I took it off and left

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<v Speaker 3>it in the car, just prayer to walking in here.

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<v Speaker 3>And the guy had, you know, three minutes before taking

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<v Speaker 3>his gun off and left it in his car, and

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<v Speaker 3>the dog still found it. And you know, we were

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<v Speaker 3>having a party.

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<v Speaker 4>What was that dog's name?

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<v Speaker 1>That was Cole Cole coolly add them to the long

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<v Speaker 1>list of Doggie All Stars. But you already knew dogs

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<v Speaker 1>could do this. Right now, it's time to go further.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years ago, a labrador named Florin flew in

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<v Speaker 1>from London to Boston at the invitation of a research

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<v Speaker 1>scientist at MIT named Andreas Mershen, coming in on a

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<v Speaker 1>winter's morning for a special one dog exhibition.

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<v Speaker 6>Flooring. The famous dog flew first class to MIT, so

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't have time to go through all the hooks,

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<v Speaker 6>so we had to rent the hotel room, the hotel

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<v Speaker 6>ballroom right across the street at the Maria.

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<v Speaker 1>Mershin is a kind of scientific jack of all trades.

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<v Speaker 1>He's technically a physicist, but as he likes to say,

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<v Speaker 1>he operates in blissful ignorance of disciplinary boundaries. He's interested

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<v Speaker 1>in solar panels, quantum effects in molecular biology, not to

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<v Speaker 1>mention something that I cannot begin to understand called cytoskeletal

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<v Speaker 1>memory and coding. Mershan got interested in prostate cancer, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most common of all cancers. Mershan heard about

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<v Speaker 1>the work being done by a British researcher named Claire Guest,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been training dogs to detect diseases the same

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<v Speaker 1>way we've been training dogs for years to detect explosives,

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<v Speaker 1>and Merchan and Guest ended up working together, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what led to Florin guests four year old labrador flying

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<v Speaker 1>into Boston one cold winter's morning to perform a special

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<v Speaker 1>sniffing demonstration for the senior leadership of the Prostate Cancer Foundation.

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<v Speaker 4>So wait, described a scene.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>You in the ballroom of the Marrion. Yes, how many people?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh maybe maybe a dozen people maybe if you motif,

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<v Speaker 6>But that's they're all by invitation. Okay, No. And there's

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<v Speaker 6>a giant paris on the middle, about seven feet across,

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<v Speaker 6>which has eight arms, and each arm is a jar

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<v Speaker 6>glass jar of urine closed off by a metal threat.

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<v Speaker 6>Everything is standless still. Everything is this in fact that

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<v Speaker 6>everything is super clean.

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<v Speaker 1>The jars have all been pre selected from a biological repository.

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<v Speaker 1>Some are filled with urine from people known to have

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<v Speaker 1>suffered from prostate cancer. Others are controls. Florin's job is

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<v Speaker 1>to sniff each jar. If she detects what she believes

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<v Speaker 1>is a positive sample, she's supposed to stop and stare

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<v Speaker 1>at the jar before moving on. Were the people from

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<v Speaker 1>the prostic Foundation skeptical.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yes, of course, and as rightly they should be.

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<v Speaker 6>You must see this to believe it. Nobody should take

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<v Speaker 6>these kinds of things on just somebody's, especially when we're

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<v Speaker 6>talking about people's lives here, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was early in the morning. Merchen looked at Florin

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<v Speaker 1>and worried she wasn't up to the task, so they.

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<v Speaker 6>Had brought flooring the dog on first class. Then the

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<v Speaker 6>American customs had to by lod dewarm her, give her medicine,

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<v Speaker 6>so she had to be vomiting. And also some other

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<v Speaker 6>unpleasantless happened to the poor dog. And there's coffee smells everywhere,

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<v Speaker 6>by the way, in the myriad people who are serving breakfast.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, oh my god, we're going to confuse this

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<v Speaker 6>dog now with all the coffee. And she's, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>jet lagged and dewormed, and this poor dog is not

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<v Speaker 6>going to perform, and she kicks it out of the park.

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<v Speaker 1>The people from the Prostate Cancer Foundation are so blown

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<v Speaker 1>away they end up funding guests and merchants research project

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<v Speaker 1>to explore the idea that smell might be the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to diagnose a dangerous cancer.

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<v Speaker 4>To a layman like me.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that a cancer or a virus would have

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<v Speaker 1>a smell is not intuitive.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not the disease itself that has the smell. What

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<v Speaker 6>happens is it changes your body's metabolic pathways, of which

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<v Speaker 6>you have thousands going on in every cell. There's different

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<v Speaker 6>things happening. They change, and many of these pathways, many

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<v Speaker 6>of these processes inside your cells, they have as a

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<v Speaker 6>byproduct odorance. Odorance are volletilor gant and compounds that tend

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<v Speaker 6>to fly around and come out of your body. So cancer,

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<v Speaker 6>for instance, likely leaves an imprint on every emission that

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<v Speaker 6>you have, from sweat to urine, to saliva to tears,

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<v Speaker 6>so you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>Human beings are a site species. Sight is our superpower.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest web of sensory connections in our brains is

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<v Speaker 1>between our cortex and our eyes. We can differentiate colors

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that few other species can. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our eyesight evolved to get better, our noses got worse.

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<v Speaker 1>As the biologist John Bradshaw puts it, there appear to

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<v Speaker 1>be limits on how much information any brain can process.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you optimize for seeing, you compromise on smelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs make the opposite trade off. Their eyes are mediocre,

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<v Speaker 1>their noses are amazing. To Florin, prostate cancer wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>clump of cells. It was an odor. An odor is

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<v Speaker 1>so distinctive that it made her stop and stare. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that you and I both have crostake cancer at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. Stage.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it fair to assume that we.

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<v Speaker 1>The way in which our bodies smell is our odor

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<v Speaker 1>is altered by that cancer? Correct might not be the

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<v Speaker 1>same exactly. So why can the dog generalize for.

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<v Speaker 6>The same reason that you can generalize the gait You

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<v Speaker 6>can track my footprints if I teach you what footprints

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<v Speaker 6>look like on the website and how they're distributed. So

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<v Speaker 6>the dog learns to identify the footprints on the web

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<v Speaker 6>site where it's easy to see and easy to see

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<v Speaker 6>the gate, and then it generalizes, It extrapolates and says, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>this smells like the stuff that they used to want

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<v Speaker 6>me to find.

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<v Speaker 1>Human beings try to screen for prostate cancer by looking

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Of course we do. We're a species that's

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<v Speaker 1>in love with sight. We ask men over a certain

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<v Speaker 1>age to take a blood test to look for something

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<v Speaker 1>called the prostate specific antigen. And if we see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that antigen. We take a closer look at

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<v Speaker 1>the prostate itself. We take half a dozen or more

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<v Speaker 1>little slices of the prostate and look at them under

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<v Speaker 1>the microscope. We look, and we look again. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is that only around a quarter of men who have

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<v Speaker 1>elevated PSA levels actually end up having prostate cancer. You

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<v Speaker 1>could have high PSA levels for some other reason. You

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<v Speaker 1>could also have normal PSA levels and still have prostate cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the result of all that looking is an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of error. Lots of men are told they

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<v Speaker 1>could have a dangerous cancer when they don't, and lots

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<v Speaker 1>of other men have cancer that gets missed. The prostate

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<v Speaker 1>screening air rate is so bad that many men avoid

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<v Speaker 1>it altogether. I'm not getting tested, Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is spend a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>reading the available literature, and you realize that looking for

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<v Speaker 1>early signs of prostate cancer is a fool's game. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really really hard. But Florin the dog didn't look. Florin

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<v Speaker 1>bypassed all that nonsense. Florina just sniffed and did Florin

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<v Speaker 1>make any mistake? Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, of course, if something is one hundred percent right,

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<v Speaker 6>it's one hundred percent wrong. So yes, there's definitely errors

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<v Speaker 6>in the samples, and the dog can definitely make errors. However,

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<v Speaker 6>you should remember this, so do all of our tests.

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<v Speaker 6>And currently the dogs are better than any test.

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<v Speaker 1>Notice how he said dogs are better. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>Flowing is some kind of super dog the Usain Bolt

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<v Speaker 1>of the canine world. Lots of dogs could do just

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<v Speaker 1>what she did.

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<v Speaker 6>A dog can do better than the tests you trust,

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<v Speaker 6>and you don't trust the dog, And I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 6>don't trust the dog. We have to not trust the dog.

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<v Speaker 6>The dog is teaching us Now. Dogs are definitely error prone,

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<v Speaker 6>same as everything else. But currently, and this is a

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<v Speaker 6>mind blowing statistic, of all the diseases that have ever

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<v Speaker 6>been tried to be identified by trained dog, all of

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<v Speaker 6>them have succeeded. That is mind blowing. It should be

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<v Speaker 6>we should be paying attention to this. What the hell

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<v Speaker 6>is happening where we can't make this thing not work?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, shouldn't you be angry at this? I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>come on, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what are we doing? The chief research scientist for

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty K nine is a man named Bill Schneider, doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>William Schneider. Schneider used to work at Fort Dietrich, the

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<v Speaker 1>army garrison in Maryland where the Pentagon does its top

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<v Speaker 1>secret biodefense work. Schneider's specialty was plant virology, diseases that

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<v Speaker 1>affect things like peach or cherry trees.

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<v Speaker 5>I come from a plant background, but being at Fort Dietrich,

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<v Speaker 5>I had access to a lot of tools and toys

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<v Speaker 5>that typical scientists didn't have in their repertoire, and I'd

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<v Speaker 5>been playing around with those.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, just like Andreas Mershin over at MIT, Schneider

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<v Speaker 1>began to hear of the supposedly miraculous powers of dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>so he decided to hold a sniff off. Fort Dietrich

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<v Speaker 1>has a special containment facility where they could do an

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<v Speaker 1>actual head to head challenge comparing detection results between a

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<v Speaker 1>dog and one of modern science's highest tech tests. Schneider

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<v Speaker 1>chose as the test case a plant virus called plum

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<v Speaker 1>pux and bet against the dogs. He was a lab guy,

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<v Speaker 1>not a dog guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you name it. We had access to it. Gas chromatography,

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<v Speaker 5>mass spectrometry, all sorts of very deep sequencing, heavy duty

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<v Speaker 5>nucleic acid analysis. Things that are pretty darn cool actually,

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<v Speaker 5>and not one single one of them can beat the dogs.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, the US Army invested about nineteen billion dollars

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<v Speaker 5>in trying to find a machine that could detect explosives

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<v Speaker 5>better than dogs, and in the end, all these projects

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<v Speaker 5>nothing could come close to what the dogs can do.

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<v Speaker 5>So I had to convert myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Schneider, the convert, decided to change careers. He left

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<v Speaker 1>government work started making sophisticated canine training aids. I come

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<v Speaker 1>to you, Bill, and I say, Bill, we have a new,

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<v Speaker 1>highly infectious virus out there.

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<v Speaker 4>We know almost nothing about it. What do you do next?

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<v Speaker 5>I say, I need the genomic information. So that's a

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<v Speaker 5>key step in practically any diagnostics these days, and with

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<v Speaker 5>good purpose, because when you have genomic information, you can

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<v Speaker 5>design assays, or in my case, you can design a

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<v Speaker 5>training aid that will teach a dog to directly detect

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<v Speaker 5>that you're making a cent. Yes exactly, You're.

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<v Speaker 4>You're looking at a blueprint and you're saying, ah, ye, gene,

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<v Speaker 4>this protein, this protein, this protein, this protein. I can

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<v Speaker 4>construct that in a lab.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Florin the prostate cancer dog was trained on samples taken

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<v Speaker 1>directly from people with prostate cancer. Schneider was taking the

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<v Speaker 1>next step, figuring out a way to extract the scent

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<v Speaker 1>of the disease itself, refining the process creating customized disease

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<v Speaker 1>fragrances that could be shipped overnight to dogs anywhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I'm assuming you're avoiding everything that has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with actual virulence, contagiousness.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an inert it's a harmless substance.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you could eat it if you wanted to. I

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't taste all that great, but yeah, it's completely safe,

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<v Speaker 5>it's completely stable. You can make as much of it

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<v Speaker 5>as you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now we have a little vial of something that

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<v Speaker 1>has a characteristic odorit You and I can't smell that.

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<v Speaker 5>Nope. No, In fact, I would have bet you a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of money that nothing could smell it, because in

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<v Speaker 5>our mind, none of these things had sent.

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<v Speaker 1>The world. Scientists were studying and refining the diagnostic power

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<v Speaker 1>of dogs. Then COVID nineteen.

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<v Speaker 7>Happened, breaking news tonight, the coronavirus forcing millions more Americans

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<v Speaker 7>into virtual lockdown. Over seventy five million people in New York, California, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 7>and Connecticut ordered to stay at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Schneider realized that his technique of making these little

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<v Speaker 1>vials of disease fragrance might prove really useful.

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<v Speaker 4>There's really reason to believe that COVID might be the

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<v Speaker 4>exception to this pattern.

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<v Speaker 5>Not in my mind, no, No. Once I crossed that

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<v Speaker 5>threshold with the original virus that we've worked on, which

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<v Speaker 5>was that plumphaks virus, I knew you could translate this,

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<v Speaker 5>not just to another virus in plants, I can take

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<v Speaker 5>and transfer that to humans or cattle or swine or

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<v Speaker 5>chickens or anything, and off you go.

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<v Speaker 1>COVID first services at the end of twenty nineteen. The

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<v Speaker 1>novel Coronavirus Genome is published. In early January of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the Who declares a pandemic that spring.

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<v Speaker 7>And across the country. There's demand for COVID nineteen testing

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<v Speaker 7>as positive cases are on the rise.

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<v Speaker 6>Some people have had to wait longer than two weeks

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<v Speaker 6>to receive results.

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<v Speaker 1>While the world is in lockdown. In the early summer

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty, Bill Schneider's lab gets going synthesizing the

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<v Speaker 1>proteins that make up the smell of SARS COB two.

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<v Speaker 1>The trainers start training dogs on it. Hardworking, focused, unflappable

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<v Speaker 1>dogs who really loved the idea of sniffing nine to five.

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<v Speaker 5>By the time we got to September fifteenth, we were

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<v Speaker 5>starting to collect clinical samples from people who were confirmed positive,

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<v Speaker 5>and we were checking the dogs on those clinical samples,

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<v Speaker 5>and they didn't miss a beat. They were ninety nine

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<v Speaker 5>percent accurate. And at that point I was very confident

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<v Speaker 5>that the dogs we were training could detect COVID in

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<v Speaker 5>people's masks, on their sacks, in sweat and saliva labs.

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<v Speaker 1>Shepherds Belgian Malona was floppy year pointy year. Doesn't much matter.

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<v Speaker 1>What matters is that they're a dog. They have a big,

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<v Speaker 1>powerful nose, and they're perfectly happy to put that magnificent

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<v Speaker 1>nose to work in the service of helping all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>They're best friends. Let's think about some of the options

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<v Speaker 1>we have when detecting a deadly new pathogen as it

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<v Speaker 1>moves through a human population. One option is what we

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<v Speaker 1>ended up trying with COVID in the United States. We

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<v Speaker 1>make you come to a testing site stand in line

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of people who also think they might

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<v Speaker 1>have COVID. Really good idea, by the way, stick a

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<v Speaker 1>nasty swab up your nose, charge you a couple hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>use an insanely expensive and complicated and high tech system

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<v Speaker 1>called PCR to give you an answer that may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not be useful because it didn't always get to

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<v Speaker 1>you in time. Remember, sometimes it would take forever to

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<v Speaker 1>get your test results, sometimes two weeks, and maybe in

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<v Speaker 1>those two weeks while you were waiting, you were infecting

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<v Speaker 1>everyone you med. The result of all the cost and

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<v Speaker 1>inconvenience and hassle and imperfection of Option one was that

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<v Speaker 1>we've never done enough testing at any stage of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>And because we didn't do enough testing, the pandemic sword

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<v Speaker 1>out of control. Someone has a wedding or a Thanksgiving dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>and in a perfect world everyone would get tested before coming,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course they don't, and one person ends up

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<v Speaker 1>infecting ten other people, and maybe one or two of

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<v Speaker 1>those ten will die. All these horror stories have at

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<v Speaker 1>their core a failure of disease detection. I emailed Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Minna at the Harvard School of Public Health, who was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big critics of the way we tested

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<v Speaker 1>for COVID, and this is what he wrote back about

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<v Speaker 1>the way testing works. It has to do with what

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<v Speaker 1>epidemiologists called are not, which is the average number of

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<v Speaker 1>people infected by an infected person. If an epidemic has

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<v Speaker 1>are not above one, it grows exponentially. If are not

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<v Speaker 1>falls below one, an epidemic dies out. Here's what Minna wrote.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole pandemic and all of the massive outbreaks we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen have been with an or not of about one

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<v Speaker 1>point three. That means that every ten people infected went

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<v Speaker 1>on to infect on average thirteen people. Well, in that case,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have one hundred people infected on day one,

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<v Speaker 1>then thirty days later you have about six hundred new

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<v Speaker 1>infections exponential growth end quote. All we had to do

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<v Speaker 1>to stop the pandemic was to test just enough people

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<v Speaker 1>and prevent just enough new infections so that those ten

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<v Speaker 1>newly infected people only infected on average nine other people.

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<v Speaker 1>We just had to move the needle a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and we couldn't do it. Option one was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most criminally stupid acts of public health incompetence in

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<v Speaker 1>American history. Now imagine another option. Just move to a hypothetical.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a high school, Okay, I want to reopen.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in the middle of the raging pandemic and I

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<v Speaker 1>come to you and I say, I want to use

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<v Speaker 1>your service. Are we talking? How would you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>how you would fix that up? I'm talking to Jerry Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>who runs biodetection at three sixty K nine dog at

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<v Speaker 1>the front door.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, first fifty kids come in, they stand on their spot,

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<v Speaker 3>Doc searches them, they go into class. The next fifty

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<v Speaker 3>comes in. We could do that, you know, relatively quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and maybe you have some coming in the gymnasium,

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<v Speaker 3>some coming in the cafeteria. It's all about having the

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<v Speaker 3>real estate to get the children lined up.

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<v Speaker 1>So and you could do that with one dog or

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<v Speaker 1>two dogs. You would want two dogs, Yeah, particularly if

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a public health issue and school children doing

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<v Speaker 1>the dog's be very very thorough. So if the dog's

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<v Speaker 1>condition to work forty five minutes, we'd want to stop

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<v Speaker 1>at thirty just to make sure that the dog is

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<v Speaker 1>not fatiguing at all. A PCR test costs somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the range of one hundred and fifty dollars and you

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<v Speaker 1>wait forever for the result. The cost of a dog

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<v Speaker 1>test once you factored in the dog, the training paying

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<v Speaker 1>the handler is something like two dollars and fifty cents

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<v Speaker 1>a test, and the dog gives you the answer immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>So the dog is you got these kids lined up.

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<v Speaker 1>Dog sniff snifsniff snif sniff finds a dog has a positive, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the dog doing? It just sits just so.

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<v Speaker 3>When the dog goes downline. What we like to do

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<v Speaker 3>is we line people up, we have them, we have

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<v Speaker 3>the dog go down as they're facing forward. The dog

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<v Speaker 3>goes down the left hand side of the line and

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<v Speaker 3>it just does it quick. You'll see it's a minimally

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<v Speaker 3>invasive search. The dog will put its nose on the

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<v Speaker 3>back of the person's hand. They target the hand if

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<v Speaker 3>you have otn toad shoes, and might target your feet.

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<v Speaker 3>But it makes quick contact with the skin. But then

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<v Speaker 3>it keeps going. The dog won't really break stride. If

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<v Speaker 3>it gets an odor and there's a presence of virus,

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<v Speaker 3>then you'll see the dog stop, it'll sniff more, it'll investigate,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'll go into the sit response.

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<v Speaker 1>So that person who's been identified as a dog as

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<v Speaker 1>positive is then pulled out for secondary screen.

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<v Speaker 3>They take them a second go the nurse's office and get.

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<v Speaker 1>A rabbit tast the next time a pandemic hits. We

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<v Speaker 1>could have dogs at the front door of every school

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<v Speaker 1>in America. We could have dogs at the front door

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<v Speaker 1>of restaurants, and dogs in bars, and dogs in train stations,

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<v Speaker 1>and dogs at the airport. We could have dogs walking

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<v Speaker 1>down the street checking out everyone on the sidewalk. Your

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<v Speaker 1>block could bend together and have a dog come every

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<v Speaker 1>night at dinner time to sniff everyone. You could hire

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<v Speaker 1>a dog along with caterers at your daughter's wedding or

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<v Speaker 1>your son's bar mitzvah, or every Sunday morning at church

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you aren't holding a super spreader event.

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs give us the power to move the needle from

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<v Speaker 1>an are not of one to an are not of

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<v Speaker 1>something less than one. That is option two, the canine option.

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<v Speaker 1>But will we go down that path? Forgive me if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm skeptical, because to take option two, we will need

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of dogs, and we don't have tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of dogs trained and ready. And why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we have a whole national Canine Guard trained and ready,

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<v Speaker 1>matched up with their handlers for any conceivable future pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>A strategic poppy reserve to call on whenever an emergency happens,

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<v Speaker 1>because at the end of the day, we don't really

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<v Speaker 1>believe in dogs. We like them as friends, sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>not as medical diagnosticians. Maybe you remain unconvinced that dogs

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<v Speaker 1>could prevent the next pandemic. It sounds goofy, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>panting labradors everywhere. The dog does not wear a white coat.

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<v Speaker 1>She did not go to medical school or have a

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<v Speaker 1>row of diplomas on the wall of her doghouse. She

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<v Speaker 1>just uses her big wet nose. But allow me a brief, final,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully persuasive digression on the indelicate subject of colonoscopies.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you had one? You should? It might save your life.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're over the age of fifty and haven't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten around to getting one yet, I think I know

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<v Speaker 1>why they are a pain in the You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>You can't eat for twenty four hours, then you go

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<v Speaker 1>to a medical office and suffer the indignity of being

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<v Speaker 1>impaled on something long and painful. But ten guesses about

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<v Speaker 1>who is really really good at detecting colon cancer? Yes? Dogs?

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<v Speaker 1>May I refer you to the following research paper published

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<v Speaker 1>in the prestigious Journal Gut Volume sixty, issue six, First

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<v Speaker 1>author Hideto Sonata of the School of Medicine at Kiyushu

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<v Speaker 1>University in Japan, entitled Coorectal Cancer screening with odor material

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<v Speaker 1>by canine scent detection, with the conclusion that a dog

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<v Speaker 1>is just as good as any alternative modern medicine has

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<v Speaker 1>come up with. When was that paper published January of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven. That's how long we have known that a

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<v Speaker 1>dog with a few months of training can come trotting

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<v Speaker 1>in and save the day. But when you go to

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<v Speaker 1>your gastro entrologist, do you see a dog waiting there? No,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't, because we don't believe in smell. We believe

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<v Speaker 1>in sight. We more faith in the impossibly complicated and

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<v Speaker 1>expensive and inefficient products of our own technological imagination than

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<v Speaker 1>we do in the superpowers that nature has bestowed on

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<v Speaker 1>other animals. We are, as a species narcissists, and with

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<v Speaker 1>covid our narcissism caught up with us. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to live in an imperfect world. We can fix things.

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<v Speaker 1>We can mend the broken and upgrade the mediocre, But

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<v Speaker 1>first we need to get over ourselves. Let coolie and

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<v Speaker 1>coal and Florin show us The Way to a Better

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<v Speaker 1>Dash Potus, Collette, Ninja Dorley, funder Lichtenburg, Linus, Zuzu, Freeway,

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<v Speaker 1>the Poodle Max, Sparky, Roxy, Rosie Oslo and Mine Biggie

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<v Speaker 1>Smalls a brilliant, harascible, adorable cat. I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>after all that I'm a cat person. Sorry everyone, see

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<v Speaker 1>you next season.

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<v Speaker 6>But is there a road here?

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<v Speaker 1>Guys? We have to I don't think there's a road here.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is this look.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, it could be wrong, but it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a road.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, Yeah, it's road.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's follow for guys, We're going to the land of

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<v Speaker 1>the nose. How can you not follow your nose? Does

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<v Speaker 1>a dog? You look on the dogs. Do not look

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<v Speaker 1>on Google Maps. You're looking at ways, following your nose.

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<v Speaker 6>That's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Last season did not have waves.

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<v Speaker 1>No