1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome in, Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: you hanging out with us on this fantastic Monday as 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: we roll closer and closer to next week's debate, and 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: I would say things continue to look bad for Joe 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: Biden out there in the polling marketplace, but also just 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: the discussion marketplace that is so much of the public perception. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: Let me give you a couple of data points out there. 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Number one, and I want to unpack this with you 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: a little bit here, Buck, the Iowa poll that we 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: reference that's done by the Des Moines Register by this 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: sort of pole wizard, has Donald Trump up eighteen points. Reminder, 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Trump won Iowa by eight in twenty twenty. I want 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: to talk a bit about that with you. Also, there 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: is an economist sort of running tally on what they 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: expect to see from the election. Joe Biden now is 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: down to Donald Trump in the probability they that he 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: will win the election seventy two to twenty eight. The 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: economist is not a partisan news outlet, so to speak. 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: It's very obviously as you would expect business, not a 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: Trump partisan news outlet, that's for sure. Yes, And for 21 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: Trump to have opened in their tally, which looks at polling, 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: which looks at economic indicators. For him to have opened 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: a seventy two to twenty eight lead is pretty seismic. 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: So Buck, I want to hit you with this. I 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: went back and I looked, and I said, Okay, let's 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: have an actual conversation about the data, not only in Iowa, 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: but how it has traditionally trended. And you mentioned earlier 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: in the first hour Trump up eighteen fifty to thirty 29 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: two nine for RFK junior, Joe Biden's approval down to 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: twenty eight percent. This is the demo Register and Seltzer 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: poll that she has been doing for years and years. 32 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: And to put this into context, a couple of different 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: points here that I think are very significant. First of all, 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: Ann Seltzer's been doing these des Moines Register polls for 35 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: a long time. Do you remember Buck in twenty twenty 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: in the fall, when she went from in June of 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, so four years ago, Trump was up one. 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: She had Trump up one in Iowa this time in 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: the four year news cycle, that's June of twenty twenty 40 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty, she had a dead tie In 41 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: her last poll that she put out, she had Trump 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: up seven. He went on to win Iowa by about eight. 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: This was for many people, a wait a minute. Twenty 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: twenty is going to be closer than many people anticipate 45 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: because Ann Seltzer has such a reputation for nailing what 46 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: happens in Iowa. But I wanted to hit you with 47 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: a couple of data points here. So she had Trump 48 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: winning by seven in her final poll. He wins by eight. 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, she has Trump up eighteen right now. 50 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: This time in twenty twenty against Biden, she had Trump 51 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: up one, and she has continued to have Trump continuing 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: to pull away away a bit in her overall tally. 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: But Iowa to me is a really interesting snapshot buck 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: for this reason because if you go back Barack Obama 55 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: won Iowa in twenty two one thousand and eight, he 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: won it in two thousand and twelve, and now you're 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: talking about Biden losing potentially by eighteen. 58 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: What this would represent to me? 59 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: By the way, Obama won Iowa by fifteen points over 60 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: John McCain in two thousand and eight and by five 61 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve over Mitt Romney. So you're talking about, Ay, 62 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: what is that thirty two point swing basically in from 63 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to twenty twenty four if her 64 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: numbers are accurate right now, and some of you can say, okay, well, 65 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: Trump's gonna win Iowa. We knew that Trump won Iowa 66 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: by eight as I mentioned in twenty twenty. What stands 67 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: out to me about this buck is there are a 68 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: lot of polls now that have Trump running about ten 69 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: points better in their state than he did in twenty twenty. 70 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: Virginia dead even Biden one by ten. New York now 71 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: single digits, where a state that Biden won by about 72 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: twenty three, Minnesota very close. My point on this is, 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: if Trump is going to win Iowa by eighteen, he's 74 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: not gonna lose Wisconsin, He's not going to lose Michigan, 75 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: and he's not gonna lose Pennsylvania if that hit this 76 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: pole is accurate. Here's here's how I I think of 77 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: the race these days. You know, if this were a marathon, 78 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Trump is way out ahead. It's you know, mile eighteen 79 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: or something. I mean, it's deep into this and unless 80 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: somebody runs into the course and like pushes him to 81 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: the ground or he you know, gets a stress fracture 82 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: in his foot. I'm talking, you know about the marathon 83 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: analogy here. Unless something crazy happens, this is heading for 84 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: a Trump win. But we can't rule out the crazy 85 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: happening because of what is what's been going on. I mean, 86 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: if someone has said to you in twenty nineteen, Donald 87 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Trump is going to have a booming economy, everything's amazing. 88 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: We're not at war, No Russia in Ukraine, none of 89 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: this stuff you see happening right now in the Middle 90 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: East with the you know, the enemies of Israel just 91 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: doing everything they can to destabilize the region. But that 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: there'd be a global pandemic that actually was greatly exaggerated 93 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: and entirely mismanaged by the health authorities, and there'd be 94 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: a series of race riots all summer, and that Donald 95 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: Trump would would not end up being the president afterwards, 96 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: you would have sounded crazy. I just think that we 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: have to leave room for crazy. I mean, we have 98 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: to remember there's this very real possibly, It's not just 99 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: a possibility. Cyclically things. The twenty sixteen election was a 100 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: mind blowing shock to certainly the elites and the so 101 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: called intelligentsia. The twenty twenty, I think was a shock 102 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: to the American people and to the whole world because 103 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: of COVID and this time around Clay. I just think 104 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: that the Rumsfeld the unknown unknown is what is is 105 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: what is the concern here because I'm at a point 106 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: now where I cannot think of what they would do 107 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: that would be kind of normal order of business, standard 108 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: operating procedure, even for Democrats, which means a lot of 109 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: dirty tricks and a lot of things that I would expect. 110 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: I can't anticipate what the thing would be that would 111 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: change this the old thing that I can see. Okay, 112 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: I know there's a theory about their placement, and I'm 113 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: not I'm not sitting here saying that can happen. I'm 114 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: just thinking I don't think it's gonna happen. I mean, 115 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, anything is possible. I do think that the 116 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: debate is what they're this is going to be the 117 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: highest stakes presidential debate in memory, because I think it 118 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: can either be the beginning of a new trend for Biden, 119 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: or it could be they need to do something crazy 120 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: to figure this out. 121 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: Right. 122 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: So that's that's how I'm seeing it. Because the Iowa numbers. 123 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: Nobody who follows politics Clay can dismiss those Iowa numbers. 124 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: Nobody. No one's gonna say, oh, that's a bad poll 125 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: or I don't think that. 126 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: That those numbers are catastrophic for Biden in a state 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: that has real implications for the Democrat strategy, which is 128 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: to win the rust belt states. Not only that, to 129 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: your point, I even think the poll, I mean, sorry, 130 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: the debate next week next Thursday. 131 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: For Biden. 132 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: The problem that Biden has is, even if they shoot 133 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: him up with every drug known to man, and he 134 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: goes out there and he performs on a somewhat decent level, 135 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: that's what he did at the State of the Union, 136 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: and then there's going to be some campaigning situation. They 137 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: can't hide him in the basement in the same way 138 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: that they did before, whether it's Obama having to lead 139 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: him off the stage, whether it's at the Juneteenth celebration 140 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 1: just seeming to kind of have a catatonic moment, whether 141 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: it was at the G seven where at times it 142 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: appears that he loses his train of thought as to 143 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: where he is. 144 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: That to me, is the problem for him. 145 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: Even if they shoot him up with everything and he 146 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: does Okay, June twenty seventh, there's going to be a 147 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: viral video of him somewhere on the campaign trail within 148 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: the next ten days that completely contradicts whatever we see 149 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: on June twenty seventh. And that's a best case scenario. 150 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: He could also freeze up like he did at the 151 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: Juneteenth celebration and like he did at the Obama big 152 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: fundraiser out in LA. 153 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: That could happen for him again. And what do you. 154 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: Say at that point in time and all of this 155 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: rolls in together, Buck, I want to play this audio 156 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: for you of CNN. This is the other thing we've 157 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: been talking about Black voters under the age of fifty, 158 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: That is, younger Black voters, particularly men, are breaking away 159 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: from Joe Biden right now in numbers that stagger even CNN. 160 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: I believe this is Harry Inton on CNN taught with 161 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Jim Acosta of all people, talking about the numbers and 162 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: how very strong they are for Trump and bad they 163 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: are for Biden among Black voters. Listen to cut one. 164 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 4: Look at Black voters under the age of fifty. Holy 165 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: cow folks, holy col look at us. Joe Biden was 166 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: up by eighty points among this group. Back at this 167 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 4: point in twenty twenty. Look at where that margin haskreem 168 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: down towards it's now, let's get this thirty seven points. 169 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: That lead has dropped by more than half. Mister Berman home. 170 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: I just never seen anything like this. I'm like speechless 171 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: because you always look at history and you go, Okay, 172 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: this is a historic moment. If this polling is anywhere 173 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: near correct, we are looking at an historic moment right 174 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 4: now where Black voters under the age of fifty, which 175 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: have historically been such a big part of the Democratic coalition, 176 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 4: are leaving it in droves. 177 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: I think this is real, and I know we've got 178 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: a bet about this, But older black voters, if you 179 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: grew up in the civil rights movement, you're still connected 180 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: to the Democrat Party. I think younger black voters twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, 181 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: they don't have that same allegiance under the age of fifty. Well, 182 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: there's a couple things happening. Number one is in that bet. 183 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: I will admit like I truly don't believe that Biden 184 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: is going to be replaced. And that's why I bet 185 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: that way the younger blackmail voter bet. We have I'm 186 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: emotionally hedging because I would love for that to be 187 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: the case, for them to believe it could happen, because 188 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: you refused to believe it could happen, because I kind 189 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: of I've been let down on this one too many 190 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: times where it's all, well, not with Romney, but you know, 191 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: last time around with Trump, we thought maybe we're gonna 192 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: get more of the black vote. So anyway, but so 193 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: that's that's emotional hedging. Here's what I think is going 194 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: on with the young blackmail voters as shown in the 195 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: polls right now. One thing is the illegal immigrant situation 196 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: I truly believe is resonating within the black community. Or remember, 197 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: you have a lot of illegals who are showing up 198 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: in communities where they'll be already a high minority population. 199 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the ones in the hotels in Midtown, 200 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: just broadly speaking, when you have eight million illegals in 201 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: four years, they're not going to be in the in 202 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: the ritzy neighborhoods, right, They're gonna generally be congregating in 203 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: ethnic enclaves and in places where there's a higher minority distribution. 204 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: And the Democrat Party if you just had to make 205 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: an honest calculation right now, has Joe bied in for 206 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: the last four years and the Democrats overall, have they 207 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: focused more. 208 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: On illegals from all over the world who just got here. 209 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: And I mean in terms of resources, I mean in 210 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: terms of you know, time on TV talking about or 211 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: young black men trying to build their careers, make their 212 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: way up the economic ladder, create some stability financially, and 213 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, a future for themselves. I think the answer 214 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: is obvious. I think the answer is obvious even to 215 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: Black Democrats who absolutely hate Trump, and that's where you're starting. 216 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: To see some of them. Peel Off, I agree with you. 217 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: The allegiance of the older black voters is I would 218 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: I would assume, I would analyze overwhelmingly the the sort 219 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: of narrative and the goodwill built up over a long 220 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: time of Oh, Democrats are the party of civil rights, 221 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: even though it's not really true, but put that aside. 222 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: You know, Democrats are the party of the quote great 223 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: society and the massive wealth transfer of the welfare state 224 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: for the last sixty years or so. So that's where 225 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: I think that comes from. But you got to think, 226 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: if you're a younger male voter, who's a black guy. 227 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: You're hearing a lot of anti masculine, anti masculinity stuff 228 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: which just doesn't resonate. That seems very strange. You're hearing 229 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: a lot of interest and effort from the Democrats to 230 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: put up illegals and hotels and get them work permits 231 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: and get them and your wages are getting crushed by 232 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: all the spending the people who are Inflation is a 233 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: tax that disproportionately affects those who don't have assets, which 234 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: means people paid by the hour, and a lot of 235 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: young black men working hourly wage jobs. I've got to 236 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: be looking what's going on saying. I mean another you 237 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: see with Ukraine, they just they're talking about how much 238 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: money they need over the next ten years. 239 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: I know people gave me heat for it. 240 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: I said on this show in twenty twenty two, right, yeah, 241 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. I was like, it's going to cost 242 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: a trillion dollars what they're going to do in Ukraine. 243 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Now it's guaranteed to cost a trillion dollars the tax 244 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: payer money. 245 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: And you know you talk about. 246 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: The the fast food cost, the fast food wage is 247 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: even more hurt by all this, so that this is why. 248 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: I think it's not just oh, Trump is like a 249 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: charismatic guy and you that I think wasn't necessarily. I 250 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: think it's the illegals, plus the lack of economic progress, 251 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: plus the inflationary pressure. People just realize they're paying more 252 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: for stuff all the time, and that's why I think 253 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: there's an opening. 254 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 255 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: And also I would just close it up by saying, 256 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: on this perspective, Biden so sold a bill of goods 257 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: to people. He said things will get better, things will 258 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: get more normal. People don't believe that anymore. So in 259 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, people might have bought into the anti Trump argument. 260 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: That's ultimately why I think they may pull the ripcord here, 261 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: because they could still run the anti Trump playbook if 262 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: they didn't have an incumbent, because then it's like, oh, 263 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: you've got an uncertain outcome with the new president, or 264 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: you've got Trump who you don't like. 265 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: Again. 266 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: I think that could factor up an in here as well. 267 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: A couple of months ago, we introduced you to gov 268 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: x dot com, great shopping destination for those who serve 269 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: our country and our communities, including current and former military, 270 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement, emergency, medical professionals, other government service personnel. 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Possibly we shall discuss that with 298 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: the good doctor. But first I just wanted to note 299 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Biden was at this la glitzy la fundraiser. Notice how 300 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: he takes a moment to attack the Supreme Court cut five. 301 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 5: The Supreme Court has never been as out of kilder 302 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 5: as it is today. 303 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: I mean never. 304 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is that this has never 305 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 4: been a court this this far out of STEMP. 306 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: I just say, Clay, we know why he's doing it, 307 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: because they're about to say that there is some presidential immunity, 308 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: which is a blow to the J six case against Trump. 309 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: But also, could you imagine if Trump were president and 310 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: he was at a fundraiser and he was crashing the 311 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I mean, I'm not saying he wouldn't do it. 312 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm just saying the response from the media would be 313 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: the threat to democracy. Grooms. Well, I mean, Biden says, 314 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: you can't even criticize a jury verdict because to do 315 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: so is to delegitimize the process of the judiciary completely. 316 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: I would argue attacking the Supreme Court, which is far 317 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: more significant than a random jury composition. Is if you're 318 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about direct attacks upon the judicial system, 319 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: the one against the Supreme court's far more serious. And 320 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand what's being laid the 321 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: ground for here, and that is to clearly expand the 322 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court and add justices. 323 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: If Biden were to win re election. 324 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: Come back here with doctor Carson in just a moment. 325 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: But you know, when the CEO of an incredibly successful 326 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: company takes a salary reduction to a dollar in favor 327 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: of receiving a better way to be paid, it's for 328 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: a good reason. He's the same ceo I've been speaking 329 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: about who released a documentary recently in Our Economy. Porter 330 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: Stansbury is his name. Why would Porter, a guy I 331 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: have known for a decade, make this decision when it 332 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: comes to his own compensation. Well, he says he's found 333 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: a much better way to save and get paid. No, 334 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: it's not bitcoin or gold. Porter points out. What's interesting 335 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: is that while every American is entitled to use this 336 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: no not so well known currency, you know much about it. 337 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: Porter's hoping to change that. It's critical to understand how 338 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: America's new money works. He believes it's the most critical 339 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: way to protect and grow wealth in the years to come. 340 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: Check out Porter's latest detailed presentation online at secret Currency 341 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four dot com. You won't see this talked 342 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: about anywhere else. Go to secret Currency twenty twenty four 343 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Welcome back. In appreciate all of you hanging 344 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: out with us. We're set to be joined here in 345 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: a little bit by doctor Ben Carson, will potentially alert 346 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: you when he hops on with us. Bud Buck, I 347 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: wanted to mention I'm down in Atlanta right now. I'm 348 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: gonna be down here Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I've been 349 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: watching a lot of sports on television. Father's Day weekend, 350 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: a lot of time with the kids. Went watch the 351 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves play. That's what we're down here for. My 352 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: kids are big Braves fans. But I am seeing a 353 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: monster amount of ads on Georgia local television, and some 354 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: of you may be like me that even though we're 355 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: sitting about four and a half months out from the election, 356 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing a lot of television ads in general. 357 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about some of those ads 358 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: that are running, and we'll discuss them in a moment. 359 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: But right now, doctor Ben Carson is with US retired neurosurgeon, 360 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: former HUD secretary under trump new book, The Perilous Fight, 361 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family. Doctor Carson, 362 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. We were just playing a pole 363 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: that discussed the increasing amount of support, especially among young 364 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: black voters, that is out there for Donald Trump. You 365 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: travel the country a great deal talking to people, and 366 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: you have for years. 367 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 2: Do you see that? 368 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: Do you think black voters are more open to Trump 369 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: than they were in sixteen or twenty. What are you 370 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: seeing out on your travels and your discussions. 371 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a big difference between the previous times because 372 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 5: they've had an echo chance to see what he does. 373 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 5: You know, he actually does what he says. He's unlike 374 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: most politicians, and he's transparent. You never have to sit 375 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 5: there and wonder what he's thinking. He's going to tell 376 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 5: you what he's thinking. And I think people appreciate that. 377 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 5: They've also seen the impact of his policies. You know, 378 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 5: the average American had a way each gain of eight 379 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 5: point two percent during the Trump administration and a three 380 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: point two percent decrease under Biden. That's a big swing. 381 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 5: And people feel that when they go to the gas plump, 382 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 5: when they open their utility bills, you know, when they 383 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 5: go to the grocery stores. And I think people recognize 384 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 5: now it's becomes patently obvious that the media is very 385 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 5: biased and will say whatever they need to say in 386 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: order to support their ideology and their candidate, as opposed 387 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 5: to providing the truth. So people are discounting a lot 388 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 5: of what they took as gospel before. 389 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Carson, appreciate you being with us. You, I'm sure 390 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: know that there is a chatter out there reporting sources 391 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: close to the former president on this issue that you 392 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: are in contention for the vice president role on a 393 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: Trump ticket. Can you just tell us have you had 394 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: any conversations with President Trump about this, and whether you 395 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: have or not, would you be ready to serve in 396 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: the role of VP if called upon. 397 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 5: I've had that conversation, was talked about what we can 398 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 5: do to save this country, and I am four square 399 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 5: committed to doing that from within the administration or outside 400 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 5: of the administration. But I continue to be dedicated to 401 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 5: that one way or the other. 402 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Ben Carson in your telling, I 403 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: know you've got grandchildren. Now, when you look at the 404 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: history of the country, are you more optimistic today or 405 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: pessimistic based on the way you see things going? 406 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 5: Well, I'm optimistic when you just look at the facts. 407 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 5: You know, there's some pessimism when you look at all 408 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 5: the spent you know, for instance, a lot of people 409 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 5: on the left like to tell you we haven't made 410 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 5: much progress in terms of race relationships. And yet you know, 411 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 5: I vividly remember as a six year old going to Chattanooga, Tennessee, 412 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 5: and seeing the whites and colored signs and having people 413 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 5: explain that to me. And yet in the very same lifetime, 414 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 5: we've got black admirals and generals and CEOs of fortune, 415 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 5: five hundred companies and hits, the foundations, university presidents, We've 416 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 5: had a black President of United States. I mean, to 417 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 5: sit there and say that we haven't made tremendous progress 418 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 5: is absolutely asinine. But some people do that. They just 419 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 5: have blinders on and they they think if they keep 420 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 5: repeating something that people will come to believe that we've 421 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 5: made enormous progress. It doesn't mean that we've reached nirvana. 422 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 5: We haven't. We have ways to go. But the way 423 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 5: we do that is that we learn from things that 424 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 5: have occurred in the past. We don't try to bury them, 425 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 5: we don't try to rewrite them. We learn from them good, 426 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 5: bad and ugly. But the fact of the matter is, 427 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 5: when it comes to that states, there's a lot more 428 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 5: good than there is bad and ugly. 429 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: Talking to doctor Ben Carson, he's got a new book, 430 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family, 431 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Carson, what do you think is the most important 432 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: thing that could be done as a policy matter. I mean, 433 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: certainly there's just community. There's church, there's there's a synagogue. 434 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: There's so many aspects to the way that we can 435 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: have a family focused future here in this country. But 436 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: what do you think from policy level, could be done 437 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: differently or could be done to help family formation? Because 438 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: there is clearly a crisis of family in America today. 439 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 5: Well, there's no question when you look at family formation. 440 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: The average birth per woman is down to one point 441 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 5: six now it requires two point one in order to 442 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 5: maintain the population. So that's a real issue. But I 443 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 5: think policy wise, we need to firmly put in place 444 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 5: something about voting. Voting can only occur if you're an 445 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 5: American citizen, because if we don't get that firmly in place, 446 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 5: there's going to be some major problems coming down the pank. 447 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 5: Here with all these people who've implicated our country. 448 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Ben Carson, building on what Buck 449 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: just said. Yesterday was Father's Day. Having Father's Day to you, 450 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: and as I've said, all the dads out there, if 451 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: you look at the data, starting about the time that 452 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: Lynda Johnson began the Great Society, the percentage of fathers 453 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: inside of homes, that is, two parent households has collapsed. 454 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: It collapsed for white, Black, Asian, and Hispanic families if 455 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: you look at the data, but particularly for black families. 456 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: How does that get addressed and how can we talk 457 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: about the importance of dads being in the home and 458 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: what they mean for kids to help to reverse not 459 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: only as you just pointed out, every woman only having 460 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: one point six kids. We've got a real population crisis 461 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: everywhere Japan, China, United States, Italy. It doesn't really matter 462 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: the country, but dad's not being present in households has 463 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: a devastating impact on individual kid outcomes. 464 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: What do we do to address that? 465 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, we acknowledge it. You know, the 466 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 5: liberal think tanks and the conservative thing tanks both come 467 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 5: to the same conclusion, and that is children raised in 468 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 5: the traditional nuclear parent family do much better on every 469 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 5: level career, academics, trouble with police, mental status, everything. So 470 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 5: we should first of all acknowledge that, and then don't 471 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: ignore that when it comes to the kinds of things 472 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: that we do in our society, kinds of rules that 473 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 5: we make, the policies that we have. You know, I 474 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 5: think about you know, when I was at HUD you know, 475 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 5: there's a policy that if you're receiving government assistance and 476 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 5: your income goes up, you have to report that immediately 477 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 5: so your rent can go up. That's not a big 478 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 5: incentive to improve yourself. You bring somebody else into the 479 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 5: household with an income, you have to report that so 480 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 5: that your rent can go up. You know, that's not 481 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 5: something that's going to increase family formation. So, you know, 482 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 5: we need to actually make our policies congruent with what 483 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 5: we know to be facts and do things based on 484 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 5: facts and not ideology. That would make a huge difference. 485 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: Doctor Ben Carson. The book is the perilous fight overcoming 486 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: our culture's war on the American family. Doctor Carson, always 487 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: an honor sor. 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Dial Pound two point fifty and say 505 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: the keywords Clay and Buck and you'll be connected to 506 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: Puretalk's US customer service team. That's Pound two five zero 507 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: and say the keywords Clay and Buck. Need a break 508 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: from follow zix a little comedy to counter the craziness, 509 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: So do we The Sunday Hang, a weekend podcast to 510 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: lightens things up a bit. 511 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: Find it in the Clay and. 512 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you 513 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. 514 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. I can't believe 515 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: it's already a third hour of the show on this Monday. 516 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: Just a little heads up, we uh, we will have 517 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: Clay out on Wednesday and Thursday this weekend. I will 518 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: be out on Friday, so we're gonna be doing a 519 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: little bit of change up Clay. 520 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: You're gonna be hanging out with the fam. Is that right? 521 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 4: What you mean? 522 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: I am going the Braves have a game on Wednesday 523 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: afternoon and then and this could be a disaster. You 524 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago when I played in 525 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: the live pro am up at Bedminster and we traveled 526 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: and we had Trump on from Bedminster. 527 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: Oh, I am playing in the Live Golf pro am. 528 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: Shout out to Bryson Deshamba, by the way, who won 529 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: the US Open yesterday in an epic down the stretch 530 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: battle with Rory McElroy. He'll be at this tournament in Nashville, 531 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: So Thursday, I will be on the golf course all 532 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: day with a couple of pro golfers. And if you're 533 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: going to be at this event, just keep your head 534 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: on a swivel for every one of my shots, because 535 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: you know it's it's going to be a I am 536 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: not a pro. So that's where I'll be on Wednesday 537 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: and Thursday, and then you're out Friday Monday. We'll still 538 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: all be here hanging out. But it's summer, so there'll 539 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: be some moving parts during the course of the summer 540 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: as we take different to different days off with the 541 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: family and run around. Yeah, so I just want to 542 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: give you, give you that heads up on it, and 543 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: let me see what else do we have here coming 544 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: up to the third I we'll go back and look 545 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: at some of the uh oh oh oh, Clay, this 546 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: is what I was trying to find the hashtag. You know, 547 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: I need to go refresh my Crockett coffee at Crocketcoffee 548 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: dot Com because I'm I'm I need to get refocused 549 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: and energized, and also to share my love for America 550 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: with every delicious sip that I take. And that is 551 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: what happens when you go to Cracket Coffee dot com 552 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: and become a subscriber. 553 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: The Resistance two point zero. 554 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: I think this is, uh, this was an inevitable but 555 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: it's still very interesting to read about it, and it 556 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: is the way that democrats and I think we're hearing 557 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 1: about it in some ways right now. From the New 558 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: York Times, which is the still if you're talking about print, 559 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, I say that Morning Joe is the cable 560 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: news mothership of the Biden campaign. New York Times is 561 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: the prince mothership. The Washington Post is kind of they're 562 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: going through problems. They've lost a step. Everyone's realized, no one, 563 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: they've lost fifty percent of their readership since Biden became president. 564 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, usually you lose fifty percent of 565 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: your customer base and you go bankrupt. 566 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: So they're lucky that it's the Bezos Post. 567 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, Clay the New York Times laying out how 568 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: they're going to do everything they can to jam up 569 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: the system Sawlolynski style. If Trump wins, with the hashtag 570 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: resistance two point zero, right, meaning what are states going 571 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: to do to stop Trump? What's the bureaucracy going to 572 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: do to stop Trump? And I mean I had friends 573 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: in the State Department, for example, when Trump won in 574 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and I know fewer now because more and 575 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: more people I know get out of these places they're 576 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: talking about people in their offices were crying at their 577 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: desks when Trump won. Oh yeah, imagine. I can tell 578 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: you I have never cried over a presidential election. I've 579 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: been angry, I've been happy, but I've never cried over 580 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: a presidential election, and certainly not at work. Well, especially 581 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: when you have protection, it's sadly almost impossible to fire 582 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: anybody who is a federal employee. This is why anybody 583 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: in any four year term, even if you have the 584 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: absolute greatest ideas in the history of mankind and you're 585 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: going to try to put them in place, it's really 586 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: hard to get a bureaucracy moving. Basically, they are designed 587 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: not to do anything and keep their jobs. I mean, 588 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: that's the reality. And I personally think the best thing 589 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: that could happen for this country would be if seventy 590 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: five percent of all federal employees got fired tomorrow, I 591 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: don't think the government would really change in its overall 592 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: in its overall performance. In fact, if you told the 593 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: twenty five percent remaining, hey, if you can cover the 594 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: work that everybody else took, will double your salary. You 595 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: would still save a tremendous amount of money and you'd 596 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: have way more competence. And I think just about everybody 597 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: could pull that off. And I think that's true for 598 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: a lot of for profit companies too. I think inertia 599 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: and bureaucracy ultimately pulls down many different groups, whether it's 600 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: government or for profit industries. But this is crazy the 601 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: degree to which they were convinced. And I think we 602 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: can talk about this some in the third hour. Even 603 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: smart people like I was reading over the weekend, some 604 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: of the guys involved at Sequoia Bill Ackman, they bought 605 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: into the idea that the Very Fine People hoax was real. 606 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: They think Trump is Hitler because the media has convinced them. 607 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 608 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: So, you know, my older brother is somebody who listens 609 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: to some of the He's always been connected with, interested 610 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: in the in the Tech World a bit, and uh, 611 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: he told me, he's like, you got to listen to 612 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: the most recent This All In podcast. Yes, because there 613 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: were these guys like David Sachs I think, who's now 614 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: pretty clearly pro Trump. 615 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: He's one of these. 616 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: There's all these guys that maybe you know, maybe you don't, 617 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: from Silicon Valley who are worth like being worth four 618 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in Silicon Valley is you know, if. 619 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: You're not a billionaire, you it's hard to even get noticed. 620 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I mean being worth like hundreds of millions, 621 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: which is obscene. Well, but anyway, they got all these 622 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: super rich guys who are on this podcast, and they're 623 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: they're generally I would say, I've listened in a little bit. 624 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: I have very little time to listen to anyone's podcast 625 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: because I'm always preparing for this one. But I listened 626 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: a little bit because Mason said, You've got it is 627 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: the most the funniest Trump thing. 628 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 3: You've got to listen. 629 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: So u Chamath I can't pronounce his last name, but 630 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: he's one of the guys on this and he's remarried 631 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: and apparently he's married a very attractive like twenty years 632 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: younger than him woman. And so they're at this they're 633 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: at this U fundraiser, right, They're at the fundraiser for 634 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: David at David Sachs's house for Trump. And Trump walks 635 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: up to Tremathe and his wife and Tamatte. 636 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: It's not like it. He's like a super handsome guy. 637 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not gonna look normal, normal looking guy. 638 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 3: I'm normal looking guy. 639 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not casting a spersions or a casting 640 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, throwing stones. I'm just saying he's a normal 641 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: looking guy. Okay, normal looking guy. And and Trump walks 642 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: up them and says, oh, look at this beautiful couple. 643 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: And then this is traumatthe telling this story. And then 644 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: he pulls Roam out the side. He's like, you must 645 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: be really rich. And I'm just like, that is the 646 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: most Trump. And then he got off and he was 647 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: making jokes. Apparently the the Winklevoss twins were there, and 648 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: he's like, I know you actually did Facebook. 649 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 3: You actually are the inventors of Facebook. You made it happen. 650 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: But you know you look like male models, so you 651 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: didn't lose much in life. You look good kids, you know, 652 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: like he's just he's so Trump. 653 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: Yes. 654 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: And the big takeaway there was I went and listened 655 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: to this too, said what you and I have been saying, 656 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: because we've had the good fortune to meet Trump face 657 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: to face a bunch. He said, you know what, he's 658 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: actually just kind of a nice guy who is very 659 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: likable and good one on one. He's great in the 660 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: room and all of those big tech guys and I 661 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: think we should talk about it some in the third 662 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: hour as well. All those big tech guys are super busy. 663 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: They're trying to reinvent the world. They're again, as you 664 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: pointed out, hundreds of millions and billions of dollars. A 665 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: lot of them bought into the hype around oh Trump's 666 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: a Nazi. Oh Trump is saying Nazis are great people. 667 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: And now they're going back and it feels to me 668 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: Buck a little bit like they're getting red pilled. But 669 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: they're several years behind a lot of the rest of 670 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: us because they bought many of those lies and now 671 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: they're rejecting them.