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Speaker 1: with us at Fox Nation. In Serious Sex one eleven,

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Speaker 1: does that The Baby Face Killer with me and All

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Speaker 1: Spencer Course and Founder, President Course and Security Group, author

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Speaker 1: he was planning on killing probably a lot more people

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Speaker 1: than this. And so this is a This is a

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Speaker 1: gun that's commonly used in by both criminals and law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: It is a very effective weapon, especially especially at close

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Speaker 1: range like he was shooting Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: So this kid has a six sour semi nine millimeter

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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen bullets per mag with extra mags. Now,

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Speaker 1: what about the parents take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: twenty six seven Action News to night. US Marshos posted

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Speaker 1: a ten thousand dollar reward in the case. James and

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Crumbley are wanted on charges of involuntary manslaughter in

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Speaker 1: the mass shooting that put their fifteen year old son

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Speaker 1: behind bars. The search goes on as thousands gathered in

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Speaker 1: Oxford tonight to mourn the tragic loss of life at

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Speaker 1: the high school on Tuesday. And now we learned the

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Speaker 1: US Marshals get in on it. That means they're on

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Speaker 1: the run. On the run, that's what the US Marshals do.

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Speaker 1: They are government bounty hunters. When you get the US

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Speaker 1: Marshals on your tail, you're in trouble. Tell me about

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Speaker 1: them going on the rhinallexis rest shut. So the shooting

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Speaker 1: took place on Tuesday, Thursday afternoon. The police were still

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Speaker 1: observing them. They had kept an eye on the family

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Speaker 1: the whole time. They the mom and dad had actually

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Speaker 1: moved into a hotel because you know, there are probably

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Speaker 1: so many people at their home, so they were in

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Speaker 1: a hotel. Everybody kept an eye on them. Friday morning,

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Speaker 1: nothing had been announced, there had been no charges announced.

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Speaker 1: The police stopped their surveillance of the couple. Shortly thereafter,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor announced the charges, and there they prosecutor I

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Speaker 1: believe had spoken to the police officer and they were

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Speaker 1: even I'm sorry, spoken to the defense attorney. They were

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Speaker 1: given a four o'clock deadline to turn themselves in. Four

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Speaker 1: o'clock came and went. They did not turn themselves in,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, the sheriff then said, at this point

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Speaker 1: there was no contact with them at all. The sheriff

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Speaker 1: said he went on television to a news channel and said,

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Speaker 1: we have not heard from them. They have turned off

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Speaker 1: their cell phones and their attorneys have not been able

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Speaker 1: to reach them, which meant that there was no communication.

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Speaker 1: So that's when they put out I guess they're calling

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Speaker 1: it a bolow beyond the lookout. The US Marshals offered

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Speaker 1: the ten thousand dollars reward Friday night, they are still

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Speaker 1: missing Royce Layton. It's just like Gillane Maxwell, who goes

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Speaker 1: on the run nobody can find or she's posting false

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Speaker 1: leads like at an in and out Burger in LA

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Speaker 1: when she's really hiding out in Hampshire. These parents, they're

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Speaker 1: not going to have a chance now for any kind

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Speaker 1: of bod when they're arrested, because they've already gone on

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Speaker 1: the run. And what does that say about a parent

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Speaker 1: willing to run for the Canadian border when their son

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Speaker 1: needs them more than he's ever needed them in his

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Speaker 1: whole life. Take a listen to Megan Fitzgeryl NBC this morning.

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Speaker 1: James and Jennifer Crumbly are in custody after an hour's

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Speaker 1: long manhunt led to their arrest. Overnight. Vehicle is at black.

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Speaker 1: Here's the probable vehicle of the two Paris of the

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Speaker 1: Heart situation. The couple found hiding in a commercial building

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Speaker 1: after police received a ten certainly appeared to be distressed.

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Speaker 1: Authorities say the parents of accused Michigan school shooter Ethan

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Speaker 1: Crumbly failed to show up for their arrangement Friday. They

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Speaker 1: were finally captured hours later and he's charged with involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 1: So Troyce Layton, I doubt very seriously they're going to

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Speaker 1: get any kind of a reasonable bond after they've already

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Speaker 1: gone on the run, caught about a half a mile

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Speaker 1: from the Canadian border. Well, risk of flight is certainly

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Speaker 1: a consideration for the judge and deciding whether or not

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Speaker 1: to issue a bond, and also when it comes time

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Speaker 1: to their eventual trial. Any good prosecutor, I know, if

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Speaker 1: you were prosecuting the case, you would argue consciousness of

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Speaker 1: guilt as evidenced by their running at the time that

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Speaker 1: they knew that there were charges against them. You know,

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Speaker 1: a gun control experts say they move to charge the

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Speaker 1: parents is almost unheard of. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: the charges, Troy Sletton, Well, Michigan doesn't have the child

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Speaker 1: access prevention laws, So if they didn't do anything illegal,

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Speaker 1: then the government will have to show prosecutors at their

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Speaker 1: trial will have to prove that they acted so recklessly,

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Speaker 1: so beyond the pale that any other normal, average, reasonable

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Speaker 1: person would do, that a person would know that acting

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Speaker 1: so recklessly would lead to someone's death. Would you agree

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Speaker 1: that it's very rare for parents to be charged. This

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Speaker 1: is very rare, and you were saying that in Michigan

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Speaker 1: there is no what kind of statue did you say,

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Speaker 1: child access prevention laws with regard to firearms, no rule

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Speaker 1: that they have to keep guns locked up, ammunition separate

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Speaker 1: away when there's a child in the house, For example,

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Speaker 1: in California where I live. In New York, in many

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Speaker 1: other states, it's illegal if you have a child in

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Speaker 1: the house or a child come visit. Surey certainly are

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Speaker 1: not suggesting that because there's not a black and white

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Speaker 1: statute that they still did not know that the other

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Speaker 1: students were in danger after reading that note and knowing

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Speaker 1: he had access to a brand new sig so hour

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Speaker 1: by that same argument, Nancy, the school officials should know.

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Speaker 1: Are we also going to charge they we had a gun,

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Speaker 1: but they knew that there was something that was so

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Speaker 1: alarming that he was searching ammunition that they thought to

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Speaker 1: take him out of class temporarily and then put him

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Speaker 1: back in the class. You're artfully avoiding my question. I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask you about them, ask you about the parents,

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Speaker 1: and by your avoiding the topic, I assume that you

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Speaker 1: agree with me. You know, the district superintendent informed the

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Speaker 1: parents and staff members Saturday that the parents never told

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Speaker 1: a school he had access to a gun. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of that, Troy, I don't know how the

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Speaker 1: gun was stored inside the house. There were some there

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Speaker 1: are some reports that the gun was locked. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: kid found a key and got access to it. We

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Speaker 1: don't know yet what measures the parents took to secure

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Speaker 1: the firearm. We don't know whether they handed it to

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Speaker 1: the kid on a silver platter, or whether somehow the

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Speaker 1: kid went around some sort of system in places. We

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Speaker 1: do know that within minutes of the shooting, the father

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Speaker 1: called nine one one and said he thinks his son

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Speaker 1: might have a gun. I mean the father made that act.

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Speaker 1: Got an act that the father did that shows that

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Speaker 1: he knew it was very likely that his son had

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Speaker 1: that weapon. He made a nine one one call for

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Speaker 1: that effect. Alexis Tresha. Where were the parents found exactly?

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Speaker 1: They were found in a commercial building was actually an

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Speaker 1: an art gallery is where they were found, But they

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Speaker 1: were hiding in a locked room inside the gallery. Hiding

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Speaker 1: in a locked room inside a gallery. Now I understand

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Speaker 1: the owner of the gallery claims he didn't know anything

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Speaker 1: about this. He did, you know, well, he's the artist.

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Speaker 1: I believe someone else owns the whole building. He's an artist.

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Speaker 1: He said that when they called him, they said, we

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Speaker 1: are getting death threats. Can we come there? And he

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Speaker 1: said yes. He says this was before any charges were

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Speaker 1: filed against him. They were there, he left. He said

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Speaker 1: he expected them to leave. He didn't know anything about

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Speaker 1: the charges that were filed. Do you believe that there

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Speaker 1: will be charges against the artist who was harboring them?

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Speaker 1: What do you know about that? Alexis? The prosecutor has

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Speaker 1: not said whether or not that they will, if they

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Speaker 1: will prosecute him or not. They probably they will need

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Speaker 1: to look. And you know, see why he didn't know

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Speaker 1: because it was such a big news story, But a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't watch the news. Maybe he was

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Speaker 1: doing as soon as he left. He was doing something

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Speaker 1: all day and didn't know. And they have said that

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Speaker 1: their cell phones were turned off, so there was likely

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Speaker 1: no way that he could have reached them after he

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Speaker 1: heard if he heard, We wait as justice unfolds Nancy

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Speaker 1: Gray's Crumb story, signing off goodbye friend,