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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number Today

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Speaker 1: is going to be very different. As many of you remember,

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Speaker 1: last year, my coast and I had a trail camera

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Speaker 1: bet which I ended up losing him. So as his reward,

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Speaker 1: my co host, Mr. Dan Johnson has won the right

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Speaker 1: to host one episode of this podcast, and that podcast

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Speaker 1: starts right now. All right, hello everybody, this this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a strange episode because, as Mark said, I

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Speaker 1: am your host. Now. I told Mark before this podcast

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Speaker 1: started that I had all these plans laid out and

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Speaker 1: every all these talking points and we're gonna have this

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Speaker 1: awesome podcast. But I totally lied to him because all

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Speaker 1: my notes are on are on a post it note

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Speaker 1: that's like perfect, three inches by three inches. So it'll

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Speaker 1: at least give us something to get the ball rolling with. Well,

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Speaker 1: what about our guests, what about our big special guests

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Speaker 1: You've been planning for so long? Rick Flair could not

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Speaker 1: make it today. Oh no, yeah he was. He was busy, bummer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I Honestly, I didn't even reach out to anybody.

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Speaker 1: But here's what I'm thinking we're gonna do today. You know,

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of every episode, we have our BS

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Speaker 1: we have no direction, we have no we're we have

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Speaker 1: a blank canvas in front of us and me and

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Speaker 1: you are the artist today. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: And with that, ten thousand people just turned off their podcast? Right,

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Speaker 1: So this this is probably going to be the lowest

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Speaker 1: rated podcast that you have. But at least it's gonna

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Speaker 1: give us a break and we can we can relax,

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Speaker 1: you know. Oh yeah, no, I like it. I like

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Speaker 1: the idea. I gotta I can well prepared for this.

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Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to me, I've got myself a cold beverage. So

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna kick back and enjoy you enjoy some

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Speaker 1: some bro time, right right, some bro time. You might

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Speaker 1: need to go get another beer. You can drink one

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Speaker 1: beer while while we're talking, and then the other beer

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Speaker 1: you can chug while I'm dive bombing this episode into

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Speaker 1: the crowd. Yeah, we should make a drinking game out

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Speaker 1: of this. Every time you really really embarrass yourself, I'll

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Speaker 1: take a big swig. Okay. And I also, well, I

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Speaker 1: didn't really write it down. I'm just shooting from my

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Speaker 1: head here. For those potential sponsors who are listening to

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Speaker 1: this show that have yet to, um, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: sponsor this podcast, just skip to another one. That's what

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Speaker 1: That's what it's really, that's what we're that's the one

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Speaker 1: definitely don't want any prospective sponsors to hear this one

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Speaker 1: to make to make a decision based off this one,

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Speaker 1: all right, So you've been warned. Yep. So with that said,

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Speaker 1: you're even using my lines, I know I have to write.

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta ease into it so people aren't

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Speaker 1: scared right away. Right, That's true. That's true. I like

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Speaker 1: your I like your plan here. That's working, all right.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I'm thinking we're gonna do. We're just

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Speaker 1: gonna be asked. I'm gonna ask you some questions, You're

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Speaker 1: Down with that, I'm done for sure, alright, so it

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Speaker 1: is almost April, and for me, April is turkey hunting season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so my first question is are you going to be

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Speaker 1: So I have always well, I can't remember how much

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Speaker 1: I've told you about how I started turning, But when

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Speaker 1: So are you you get a landowner's tag in Michigan? Michigan,

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Speaker 1: that I have by permission. Now turkeys. You know me,

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Speaker 1: I think the Rio's and the Merriam's are the next

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Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, turkey hunting is not at

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Speaker 1: all like deer hunting. For some reason. Big game puts

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Speaker 1: And you go out and you just have fun as

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Speaker 1: that's why I enjoy it so much, because it is

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Speaker 1: you know, you are hunting, you know, like a single animal,

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Speaker 1: and there's calling and they're stalking or there's ambush. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely very different than like duck hunting or upland

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's like, I love turkey hunting

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Speaker 1: calling and everything, um. But then you also have the

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Speaker 1: just getting pumped, Like right now, I'm definitely getting pumped.

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Speaker 1: I drove around the neighborhood last night just scouting fields

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Speaker 1: this neighbor's property and a bunch of gobblers are out

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Speaker 1: I've been ocular staring out the window, achieving nothing. But

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Speaker 1: it was fun. Right, So I'm definitely definitely getting pumped.

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Speaker 1: Dream hunt. So you've already done an elk hunt, you've

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Speaker 1: in the bush. Um do it yourself is what my

426
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: dream hunt would be. I'd say, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna

427
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: have to I'm gonna have to agree with you on that. Yeah,

428
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: we're on we're on the same page. We're kind of

429
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: on the same page. I don't know what it is

430
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: about an animal that is three times your size. Yeah, yeah,

431
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: not too bad. Mark, you need to come out with

432
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: the Mark Kenyon call System. I'll put together a little

433
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: tape that you can download with just me making animal

434
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: reproductive noises. They're like calling noises. Okay, story from college.

435
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this as fast as possible. I did

436
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: not know how this can be relevant to college, but

437
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: it can't be good. It's gonna be. It's awesome. I mean, okay,

438
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: So my buddy had a house that sat in between

439
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: so it went frat house, frat house, my buddy's house,

440
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: frat house. So these guys, right, So, um, we had

441
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: a lot. Let's just say we had a lot of

442
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: fun messing with these frat guys. All right. So one

443
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: day I'm helping some chick move into her apartment and

444
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: a box kind of breaks open and a whole bunch

445
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: of cassette tapes fall out, right, So me and my

446
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: buddy are helping her pick these cassette tapes up, and

447
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: I see one and it's rabbit distress call. Okay, you

448
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: know that kind of annoying. It all get out. So

449
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: they're just this party frat there, the frat they're having

450
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: their rush party or whatever. You know. Everybody comes in,

451
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: it's the new people whatever whatever frats do. Now, me

452
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: and my buddy are like, hey, let's go over there.

453
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: Let's let's walk in and see. You know. We walk

454
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: in and we don't look anything like the collar pop

455
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: collar hair gel type. You know, I'm probably wearing if

456
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: I had to guess my college days, I'm probably wearing

457
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: a pair of cargo shorts with a bush Light T shirt.

458
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: Oh you popped your collar. There's no collars on bush

459
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: Light T shirts. Okay, So this this frat house had

460
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: their stereo system inside of a closet, and in this

461
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: closet was had a window. So I had this rabbit

462
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: distress signal or call tape in my pocket. So I'm like,

463
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that in their tape cassette and I'm

464
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: gonna play that. So I walk in there kind of

465
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: nonchalantly closed the door behind me, lock it. I put

466
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: the rabbit distress singing uh called cassette in the stereo

467
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: system and I crank it. I jump out the window,

468
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: and I walked back to the front of the house

469
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: and it is just it is the most awesome thing

470
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. All these people are looking around like

471
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? The party just everybody

472
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: starts leaving. The cops get called. Oh it was awesome.

473
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: It was awesome. That's like one of my and we

474
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: just had a really good laugh after that. Oh man,

475
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: well done, sir, well done. Keep so dream Hut. I

476
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: can't top that one. So okay, because you said moose,

477
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, I would love to do the same thing,

478
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: float down like the Yukon River or something like that,

479
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: and arrow a moose. Now, I would also love to

480
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: do some kind of since I haven't done it yet.

481
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: High country mule your hunt, you know, but I want

482
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: to wait until after they're out of velvet. For some reason,

483
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: shooting a velvet animal does not interest me. Have we

484
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: talked about that before? I don't remember. I don't remember.

485
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: Do you find interest in a velvet hunt? Because I'm

486
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: kind of like you, like I'm not. I'm not opposed

487
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: to it, like so if I was doing it, like

488
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing an early season hunt this year

489
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: in Montana for white tails. If a if a mature

490
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: buck comes in front of me and has velvet, I

491
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: won't not shoot him because he's in velvet. But if

492
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: two bucks come by, one's in velvet, one's hard horned,

493
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: I would definitely choose the hard horn. I just don't

494
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: have that desire to shoot a velvet buck. I just

495
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I love hard horns, the feeling,

496
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: the look, the way they you know when you touch him,

497
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: everything about him. I just prefer that. I don't know's

498
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know why, But you agree with that,

499
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: I kind of agree. Um, there are some hunting shows

500
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: out there that I've seen where it looks like the

501
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: antlers of some of these bucks that they're shooting are

502
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: not even fully developed yet, Like the tips are still rounded,

503
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: right right. I just don't get that. But you know,

504
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: to each his own, if you love to shoot velvet antlers,

505
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: go do it. Yeah, nothing wrong with it, I guess

506
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: you know. Just the one thing I would worry about

507
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: is I don't remember if you if you remember that

508
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: episode we have with Dan Weeks the Taxidermist, But there's

509
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: like all sorts of stuff that goes into trying to

510
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: preserve that velvet. That seems like a big headache too.

511
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: So just from that standpoint, I'm like, I don't want

512
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: to deal with more of a hassle than I have to. Um,

513
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: So that's another thing to think about. But I don't know,

514
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: I'll see this this season. I'll I'll probably it will

515
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: be my first potential chance to shoot a buck in velvet,

516
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that will be something I'll be thinking

517
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: about a lot more than I ever have. Got you

518
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: all right now, we we've talked about hunting, but do

519
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: you have a dream fishing trip? Oh? Dream fishing? We

520
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: never we never talked about fishing on this ship. Never

521
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: do talk about fishing. I love a fish. You love

522
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: the fish. I love the fish. Yeah, favorite North American

523
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: uh fish to catch? Wow? Um all right, it's changed

524
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: for me over the course of my life. Okay, for

525
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: a long time, it used to be bass just love.

526
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: I was a huge I was hardcore bass fisherman. I

527
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: used to fish tournaments and everything. Wait a second, you

528
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: used to fish in fishing tournaments. Yeah. For some reason,

529
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot imagine that. Really, I can't picture that.

530
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 1: I thought this will be this kind of funny. When

531
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I was in high school. I wanted to be a

532
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: professional bass fisherman. I thought I was going to grow

533
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: up to be on the you know, the bass tournament

534
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: and be one of those guys in the NASCAR shirts

535
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: on a boat and uh holds the fish as you know,

536
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: almost like shed hunting, where they hold the fish as

537
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: close to the camera excusingly possible. I wanted to be

538
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: Kevin van Dam, who is like the Michigan guy who's

539
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: like one of the best best tournament fisherman of all time.

540
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: So that was my idol. That's what I wanted to

541
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: be for for a period of years. Um. So I

542
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: still love bass fishing, but don't do it as much

543
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: as I used to. Um Now I've kind of transitioned that,

544
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, as you know, spending more time out west,

545
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: so I've really caught the fly fishing bug. So trout

546
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: have been what I've been really into recently. But I

547
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: also really love catching huge northern pike. I used to

548
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: go up to Canada a lot and fish for a while.

549
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: I have pike up there, and there's something about tearing

550
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: in a huge spinner bait or massive map spinner or

551
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: something and then just getting a just claver and buy

552
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: a thirty pike that just tears your arm off. I

553
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: mean that that's a lot of fun too. Um. So

554
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: I would say my favorite species would have to be

555
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: one of those three. I'm having a hard time choosing one,

556
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: okay for me? My my answer is real simple, hands

557
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: down right now. If I could go fishing for one

558
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: species today, I would pick smallmouth bass. Yeah. I love

559
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: small mouth bass. They fight like nothing else in North

560
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: America anyway, And I absolutely if I could go, if

561
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: I could hunt one fish every day for the rest

562
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: of my life, would be small mouth. If you could

563
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: hunt one fish, that's what you just said, speaking of

564
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: hunting fish, though, one of My favorite things when it

565
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: comes to fishing is site fishing, so you know, fishing

566
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: in a place because it kind of feels like you're hunting.

567
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: So like when I used to be a big bass fisherman,

568
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: I used to love using soft plastics and flipping and

569
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: pitching soft plastics to fish I could see in shallow

570
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: water um doing different things like that. Or now in

571
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: fly fishing, you know, you're you're kind of site fishing

572
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: a rising trout. You're seeing where trout is consistently rising

573
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: and then trying to make a move on it and

574
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: then drop your fly in the right place to to

575
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: entice that fish to take it. Um. So I really

576
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: do love fishing that kind of feels like hunting versus

577
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: just ran like casting a lure, and I enjoyed that too. Um,

578
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, when you're just casting into something you can't

579
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: see and bring it up. But I do love that

580
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: element when there is like some type of visual aspect

581
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: of fishing. We're going after a single fish maybe that

582
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: you're seeing or watching rise or you think there's a

583
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: fish there, and you can be pretty strategic about trying

584
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: to you know, place your lure in the right place.

585
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: I really get a kick out of that, all right, Now,

586
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: last fishing question, Well we didn't we didn't talk about

587
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the dream trip yet. Oh yeah, that's that's what I

588
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: was going to transition into. Sorry, So dream your dream

589
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: fishing trip? Can I give you two answers? Because I'm

590
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: having a hard time? Well no, no, go for it,

591
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: all right, so I'll allow it, Okay, thank you, Mr Host.

592
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: So my I would probably, I would probably again say

593
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: my dream fishing trip is Alaska. So again, hunting and

594
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: fishing trip would be Alaska, doing um, a fly fishing

595
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: trip for salmon. Well, I probably wouldn't use a fly

596
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: ride for salmon. I'm not that good, but I do salmon.

597
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I've got some some belching going on over here.

598
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: Um salmon slash fishing for trout with my fly rod

599
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: to some kind of just Alaskan trip. I don't I

600
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: don't know the specifics. I would just want to go

601
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: to Alaska, go deep into the back country again and

602
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: then just fish my way out and just do nothing

603
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: but eat fish and cast for fish and just spend

604
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: a lot of time out there fishing for all sorts

605
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff out there. Um, just in general, I

606
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: want to spend a couple of weeks hunting and fishing

607
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: in Alaska on my own with a couple of buddies

608
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: and just experience all it has to offer. That's my dream,

609
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: really really really want to do that. Um. But my

610
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: second fishing trip would be to go fly fishing for

611
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: trout in Patagonia. Oh yeah. I am fascinated by Patagonia

612
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: and I would love to get down there. They've got

613
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: incredible trout, beautiful beautiful rivers and mountains, and it just

614
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: looks like every everything I've read says Patagonia is like

615
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: Montana for eighty years ago or a hundred years ago.

616
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: So I would love to experience that. So that is

617
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: my number one trip and my number one a trip

618
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: like you can hunt red and stag down there too?

619
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: Are the red stag in Patagonia? I think so? Because

620
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: Patagonia is in Argentina right, Uh yeah, it's on the board.

621
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of that region between Argentina and Chile. Okay,

622
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: So I think so, I think interesting? Interesting? So what

623
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: about you? My dream fishing trip would be the Amazon

624
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: jungle top water fishing for peacock bass. Nice. That's that's

625
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: a good one. Peacock gas peacock bass are awesome. They've

626
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I guess they've transferred somehow, some of them into some

627
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: lakes in Florida where the cold temperatures don't bother them,

628
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: like the cooler if you can think Florida has cooler

629
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: temperatures where it's different than the Amazon. But I've seen

630
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: some of those those peacock bass and they're the size

631
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: of salmon. I mean, they're big fish. Oh yeah, and

632
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: they they're just nasty right there there. They're insane. Yeah, yeah,

633
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: that would be a trip. I UM. I went to

634
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: the fly fishing film tour in Denver has past uh

635
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: January when we were on our last vacation out west,

636
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: and um, they had one of the films was Dorato

637
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: fishing somewhere down in the rainforest and one of those

638
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: countries down there. And Dorado is just kind of a

639
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: huge predatory predatory fish down there, kind of similar ish

640
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: to um to peacock bass, at least visually, I thought,

641
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, and they would just looked like

642
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: an insane, just insane fish. To to go after that

643
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: looks that does look like a lot of fun. I

644
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: just for me, the rainforest, like that region just doesn't

645
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: have quite the same appeal for me from like, uh,

646
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, just wet and humid and huge rats

647
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: and huge spiders. The huge snakes would just be I

648
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: think it'd be more stressful than than relaxing. From I

649
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: would rather deal with grizzly bears and wolves than spiders

650
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: and snakes personally. That kind of that kind of transitions

651
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: me into the next question, and that is do you

652
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: have any interest in hunting Africa? Very interesting question. I've

653
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: been thinking about this, um and again I don't. I

654
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: think I'm getting really old because I'm already forgetting like

655
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I never know who've already talked about things. I feel like,

656
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, back when I was a kid and my

657
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: Grandpa would tell stories, and you tell the same story

658
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: like eight times, like over the course of two years.

659
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: I'm like Grandpa in my head. I think I've heard

660
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: the story over and over and now I'm worrying I'm

661
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: becoming that guy already. UM. But if we haven't talked

662
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: about this already, UM, here my thoughts. I I went

663
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: to Well for the longest time, I've had no interest

664
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: in nod in Africa. UM. And then I went to

665
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: the s C. I the Safari Club International Convention this

666
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: past February to cover it for UM for a magazine

667
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: assign essentially for Outdoor Life, And while I was there,

668
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking about this more. You know,

669
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: why don't I want to hunt there? Why do all

670
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: these other people want to hunt there? What is the

671
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: allure of Africa? Um? And I kind of my interest

672
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: in Africa changed a little bit. Before I had no

673
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: interest in going there at all. Now I might be

674
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: interesting going because there are some fascinating cultural things and

675
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: just that the wildlife down there is unbelievable. I still

676
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: just personally don't have the interest in hunting there, though

677
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't have an interest in killing something there. I'd

678
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: love to go down there and see these animals, watch

679
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: these animals, UM, But I just don't have the desire

680
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: to kill one. And I have a hard time explaining why.

681
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I think part of it is because there's there's so

682
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: many animals here in North America that I'd love to

683
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: still hunt and that I have like a context with

684
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: and I thought about and scene and wondering about and

685
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: been fascinated with here in North America. And I also

686
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: feel confident about our ability to manage those species and

687
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: to keep those species around for a long time. And

688
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I feel really good about the system in place to

689
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: make sure that, you know, these things are handled properly.

690
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: In Africa, it just seems like so much more of

691
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: a tenuous situation. Like I know what I understand, and

692
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: I've looked a lot into the importance of hunting in Africa,

693
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: like there really is, it really is a need for

694
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: the funds and the management that comes from hunters participating

695
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: in hunting down in Africa, so that that's an important thing,

696
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: and I'm glad people go down there and do it. Um.

697
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just don't. Personally, I

698
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't I couldn't kill an elephant. I would not want

699
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: to shoot an elephan. I wouldn't want shooting unasis. I

700
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to shoot a lion. Um. I don't know

701
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: if that's just because I don't know, because they're rare,

702
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: because because they feel so rare to me, because they

703
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: feel so endangered to me. Um, I wouldn't. You know.

704
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not saying if someone out there

705
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: wants to do that, I'm not saying there's anything wrong

706
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: with it, But I'm just saying I think for me,

707
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel right. Um Plus, I also have

708
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: this thing where I don't I can't justify killing something

709
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: just personally unless I'm going to eat it. And so

710
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have the desire to to

711
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: eat an elephant or eat a lion or whatever. Um So,

712
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. These are things, are things I don't

713
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: have like a really good answer, I guess, but these

714
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: are kind of like the feelings and thoughts that are

715
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: kind of churning around in my head when I think

716
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: about this. Um So, that's a long way of saying no,

717
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in hunting in Africa. I may be

718
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: interested in going to Africa learning more about it being

719
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: out there. Um but I don't think I shoot anything.

720
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: Right at this point in my life, I would say no,

721
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: But I talked with a guy who has been there,

722
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: and he's killed almost every species. Right, And so he

723
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: sits here and he tells me, you know, I used

724
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: to think the same thing you did. But when you

725
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: get there and now I want you to rub your

726
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: your thumb and your finger together, doesn't make a very

727
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: very loud noise right to you at this point, right,

728
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a loud noise. He's like, it

729
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: is so quiet over there that that noise is almost

730
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: deafening because it's so quiet. Nice. So and the way

731
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: he explained it, and of course, you know, he hunted

732
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: over a water hole or you know, they throw some

733
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: food out because they're hunting. Regulations as far as Bait

734
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: is concerned, are not like here in the United States.

735
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: But he shot, you know, a kudo, you know, all

736
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: these rare animals and and all that stuff. And he's like,

737
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: I used to think that until I had the opportunity

738
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: to go, and then me and my wife went every

739
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: year for like ten years in a row. And um,

740
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: he had some money. But for me, elk, mule, deer,

741
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, bighorn, sheep, moose, all these things are higher

742
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: on my list right now than going to Africa. Yeah, yeah,

743
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: I think that's. Uh, We've got so many options right here,

744
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: relatively close, that you know, we can participate in for

745
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: pretty affordable, not not everything, but a lot of them

746
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: are pretty affordable, pretty tangable. Um. Plus, man, this is

747
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: just me personally, but I just love that that land,

748
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: those landscapes out west and up in Alaska and Canada,

749
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: I just love that habitat and that terrain, mountains pines.

750
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: I prefer that over and again. Maybe maybe maybe a

751
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: change if I went there. You know, I've never experienced it,

752
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm judging one thing I've experienced a lot

753
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: versus something I've only ever seen on TV. So maybe

754
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: it's like you said, maybe once you get there it's different. Um,

755
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: But for now, man, I'll take a mountaintop any day, right,

756
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: fact alright. So typically at this point of the show

757
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: or earlier, we say, hey, now we have to have

758
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: a break from our sponsors, right, which is Sitka Gear,

759
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: right the titles for the show. Now, because I have

760
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: myself a Gear podcast, I want to talk about your

761
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: favorite piece of Sitka clothing that you have. Very good question. Um,

762
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: all right, Um. If I had to pick just one

763
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: piece of clothing that's my very favorite, I would say

764
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: it would be my Fanatic hoodie. I love, love love

765
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: my Fanatic hoodie. I just got this last year, so

766
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: I only wore it for one year so far, but

767
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: I wore on literally every single hunt, every single one

768
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: of the hunts I went on last year, I wore

769
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: it and I would feel horrible without it. Now that

770
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: I now that I've experienced a hunt with him. So basically,

771
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: for those not familiar, the Fanatic hoodie is kind of

772
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: a man layer um light fleece, kind of gritted fleece

773
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: interior with non It's not like a puffy like not

774
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: like a puffy fleece or anything, but a very thin,

775
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: micro gritted fleece with some elasticity to it that fits

776
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: well to your body. It's got a kind of kangaroo

777
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: pocket in the middle down for your hands. It's got

778
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: a deep zipper kind of half zip that comes down. UM.

779
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: But what where I really like is two things. One,

780
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: it's that right kind of um level of warmth to

781
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: breathe ability factor where it adds It adds a nice

782
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: bit of warmth to you to your system. But at

783
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: the same time, you can wear it on warmer days,

784
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: So I could go out on a day where it's

785
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: sixty five degrees and and be okay having that over

786
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, towards the end of the night, um, when

787
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: it cools down a little bit and it's not so

788
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: warm of a piece that I can't wear it on

789
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: those early season hunts. But then in the late season

790
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: it's a terrific base to mid layer too, to give

791
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: me that additional warmth. And the two things that I

792
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: really like though are u one for to foremost is

793
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: the hood the hoodie. I wear the hoodie all the time.

794
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of one of those tight kind of

795
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: like if you're familiar with like the climber type hoods

796
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: um or small fleeces like Patagonia has one. A lot

797
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: of different climbing and outdoor companies have these types of

798
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: hoodies where they're this type of shirt that has this

799
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: like tight elastic hoodie hood that comes over so that

800
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: what's nice about is it is it holds tape tight

801
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: to your head and doesn't impact your peripheral vision. If

802
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: you take a typical hood which is big and sticks

803
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: out from your head, your your peripheral vision on either

804
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: side is kind of blocked out by the hood and

805
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: when you can't see to your left or tier right.

806
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: But with this hood that on sick of hoodie that

807
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: sticks close to your head, you don't have that issue.

808
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: So you can put this hoodie on and it covers

809
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: your head, gives you a little extra warmth, blocks any

810
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: wind on your neck, which is really nice for me.

811
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: And it has a built in face mask, so it

812
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: flips down from the inside of that hood and covers

813
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: your face. So now I don't wear I don't bring

814
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: any other face mask, I don't wear any face paint.

815
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: I just pull on that hoodie, pull up the face mask,

816
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: and I'm a ninja mode. I'm covered completely. It's tight

817
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: to my face, it doesn't impact me at all, doesn't

818
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: bother me when I draw my bow. Um, and it's

819
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: just super super nice. And then the on the arms,

820
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: there's flip out kind of hand mits. I don't know

821
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: how just it's really hard to describe um, but in

822
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: bedded in the sleeve kind of is some additional fabric

823
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: that flips over your hands. So if it's like a

824
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: cold morning and you don't want to have big heavy

825
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: gloves when you grab your bow, but if you have

826
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: to grab your bow, you flip over these mits and

827
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother you your grip at all, but it'll

828
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: keep your hand warm against the bow riser or whatever

829
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: you're doing. It's just a really nice kind of included

830
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: feature that is not in any way kind of bulky

831
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: or bothersome but when you need it, it's available. UM.

832
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know between those couple of things there.

833
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: I really really like that piece. And like I said,

834
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: it's every single hunt. I'm wearing the same thing for

835
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: turkey season, I'll be wearing every single hunt, whether it

836
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: be out West or here or turkeys. Um, that's the

837
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: piece I'm wearing. So how about you. You've been a

838
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: worthily for a year. Now, what do you think? This

839
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: is my first year actually adhering to a layering system.

840
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: All right, then I loved it. Now, before my Western hunt,

841
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: I did a lot of research where it was, okay,

842
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: make sure you have some kind of down or wool

843
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: or you know, make sure you get wool socks because

844
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: they're breatha bowl or you know, and then the pluses

845
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: and minus of all that stuff. So I didn't have

846
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: this the wool or excuse me, the down lightweight vest okay,

847
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: and that's my favorite piece but that they make. So

848
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: I picked it up at Shields and that's a sporting

849
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: good store here in Iowa and took it on the trip. Now,

850
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: I really didn't need to wear it a lot. But

851
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: when I came back you're talking about our our Idaho trip,

852
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: I didn't really need to wear it a lot, because

853
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was cool but not cold, and we

854
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: were moving enough, and I was out of shape enough

855
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: to where I was sweating and wet and warm regardless.

856
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: So but here's the crazy part. I wore this one

857
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: simple little uh I guess vest and it you can

858
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: you can wad the entire vest up into the size

859
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: of a baseball. Okay, So that's how lightweight this thing is.

860
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: And I would put it on walking to the tree stand, right,

861
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: so it's open so if I would get warm, um

862
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: that the air could escape, and I would dress real

863
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: light on the walk in. But when I get to

864
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: my tree stand and start getting settled down, I zip

865
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: that thing up and then I'd throw my um. So

866
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: I would wear my fanatic coodie, and then I'd put

867
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: my down vest over top of it, and then i'd

868
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: put my uh UM safety harness over that, and then

869
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: i'd put on one of my jackets. Now I'm telling

870
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: you right now, I would purchase if if it was

871
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: a one season you saw only then he had to

872
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: throw it away, I would purchase one of those every season.

873
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: It blocks out so much wind and the um. I

874
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: don't know what what's that called warmth verse weight ratio

875
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: or something like that is so high. Yeah, the law

876
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: factor is so awesome that I you can literally wear

877
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: less clothing and stay warm, and that is awesome because

878
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: I've always been old school. Hey i'm cold, Well let's

879
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: throw on a one more cotton hooded sweatshirt. Yeah, and

880
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: then I'm looking like the kid from the Christmas Story. Yeah.

881
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: This is a big improvement on that, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

882
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked it. I was, you know, I

883
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: told you for a while how much I thought you

884
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: would like that stuff, and then I know you could

885
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: have been skeptical a little bit. So I'm glad to

886
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: hear that that it's worked out well for it and

887
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: helps you on your hunts, because I I think there's

888
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: there's something to be said, you know, if you're someone

889
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: who's out there a lot and hunting it a lot

890
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: in these tough conditions, having the right gear, whether you know,

891
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: whatever brand you prefer, but but this kind of advanced

892
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: gear I think really does help for those that are serious, serious,

893
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: serious about it. So I'm glad it worked for you. Yep,

894
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: I loved it. That's my favorite. Uh, that's my favorite

895
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: piece from Sitka. All right, So what's next? I'll tell

896
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: you what's next. Oh, this is fun for man. I

897
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: might make you do this more often. Okay, So the

898
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: next category is because we just got serious right with Sitka,

899
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: So we paid your bills. Thanks to that, YE have

900
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: no worries. We got that out of the way. All right.

901
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna we're gonna take a bit of a

902
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: bit of a one eight and we're gonna talk about

903
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom while you're in the tree stand.

904
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Great topic, yep, great topic. A lot of people, a

905
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of record, a lot of requests for this, I imagine. Okay,

906
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: so when you pee or when you have when nature calls,

907
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna start off with number one. When when nature's

908
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: nature calls and you gotta p do you let it

909
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: fly from the tree stand or do you get down

910
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: or do you use a bottle? I let it fly.

911
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: I fled up, fly right off the tree stand. I'm

912
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: not concerned about it. I've seen a number of studies

913
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: that look into this, and remembering you understand, very quickly,

914
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: after that yearine hits the ground or leaves your body,

915
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: it very quickly becomes a scent and odor that deer

916
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: are not bothered by. Um so so Yeah, I used

917
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: to be worried about it, but after seeing some of

918
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: these studies, it seems to me that there's no nothing

919
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: to worry about. So I letter it. Okay, I'm gonna

920
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: let it ripped guy too. I used to um. I

921
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: used to be a bottle guy where I'd p into

922
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: a bottle and then I'd keep and then I forget

923
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: about it. And it's been in my in the back

924
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: seat of my truck for like six months. Then and

925
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: then you pull it out while it's no good, No,

926
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: it's not good, and then you're like, oh my god,

927
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: this is disgusting. So from that point I've been I

928
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: let it fly. Now. Now this is where it gets serious.

929
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: Number two. Number two. Number two that means deuce in it.

930
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: That means going poop. Okay, tell me more, what does

931
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: it mean? No, I really don't. This is still your show, right, Yes, yes,

932
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: at least for the time being. Okay, So do you

933
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: let it fly from the tree stand? Do you put

934
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: it in a bottle or do you do Okay, how

935
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: on the how in the world do you put it

936
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: in a bottle? I don't know. You got like gatorade

937
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: bottle and you got good aim. I don't know if

938
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: it fit. Man, don't use a bottle. And that's my

939
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: first piece of advice. Maybe like a bread sack or whatever,

940
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: a bread sack, I don't know. I'm just thinking of

941
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: like every day items that you can find around the

942
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: house that have a bigger than Oh my gosh, Okay,

943
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: funny story. I once hunted with a friend. I'm not

944
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna give details here, but I hunted a certain place

945
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: with a friend who was parked in the front yard

946
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: of someone's place. Um, but wasn't going to head into

947
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: hunt until daylight for a certain reason. But before he

948
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: had to head into hunt, he was sitting there in

949
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: the truck waiting for daylight to go across this field

950
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: and go hunt. And he had to go so bad,

951
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: like horribly, horribly bad. But it's in an area where

952
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of houses and stuff, so it

953
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like he could just easily go to the woods.

954
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: It was like he had to go right then and there.

955
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: But he was in a front yard surrounded by other houses.

956
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: So he panicked. I didn't want to just drop a

957
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: deuce in this person's front yard, so he hid behind

958
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: his truck, found a Meyer or found a grocery store

959
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: grocery bag in his truck, pooped in the grocery bag,

960
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: tied it up, tied it up, put it underneath his

961
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: truck tire, went hunting. I forgot about it and later

962
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: drove over it when he was driving out of the yards. Awesome,

963
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: and it probably he probably left it there. No, no,

964
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: you did actually take it. He recovered it and properly

965
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: disposed of it. But the proper disposal I think was

966
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: like some trash can at its store, so really really

967
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: nasty stuff. Um. But what would I do? Is the question?

968
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: I suppose What would Mark Kenyon do? Mark Kenyon would

969
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: not use a bread sack, He would not use a

970
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: gatorade bottle. He would hold it as long as he

971
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: possibly could, but if there was no choice, he would

972
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: scurry down from his tree and try to get a

973
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: little ways away from where he was hunting. Dig a hole,

974
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: lean up against the tree, take care of my business,

975
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: and bury the evidence. That's what I do. Got you? Okay?

976
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: Fair enough? What about you? You do? You go with

977
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: the bread sack? Row? Oh? No, Um, I've I've had

978
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: two occasions where I just dropped right from the tree.

979
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: Don't even get out of the tree. Did I feel

980
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: like you once told me that you did that while

981
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: your buddy Ryan was in the tree with you. Is

982
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: that true? That's that's true. I think he was filming

983
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: me while you while you did it. We were good

984
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: hunting buddies. That's what you don't You don't judge another

985
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: hunting buddy for having to go number two. This this

986
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: is quality podcast entertainment right here. This is it. I

987
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: can't I can see the headlines now, worst podcast ever,

988
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: the podcast, But most of the time I'll just dig

989
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: a hole with my heel at the bottom of the tree.

990
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: Stand just depends on you know, because and that's why

991
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: I stopped drinking coffee during hunting season, because you know,

992
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: coffee gets the juices flowing. And when I you know,

993
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: get in the morning and day you had your cup

994
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: of coffee on your way in the tree and uh oh, yeah,

995
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: you know I can't do that. I agree, No, no

996
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: coffee pre hunt. It's never good. But always always bring

997
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: t P with you. That's something I've learned. You're gonna

998
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: be walking out of the timber with one sleeve missing

999
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: off your T shirts. Man, speaking of this is funny.

1000
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: This is the same friend who had the grocery back story.

1001
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: I think I've heard this one before, but you're gonna

1002
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: have to tell it again. Yeah, yeah, So the same friend.

1003
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: He has a lot of poop issues. We were hunting

1004
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: up in northern Michigan, so this is like out in

1005
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: the boonies and he's hunting this property we have, and um,

1006
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: he got lost walking to a stand and this in

1007
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: the middle of deep northern Michigan swamp and he hadn't

1008
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: hunted there. He had only been in there like a

1009
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: year or two, so we didn't know the air too well.

1010
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: So we got lost walking in the morning try to

1011
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: find where he's gonna hunt. He was getting stressed out.

1012
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: He drank coffee that morning and now after wandering around

1013
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: in circle, was in the middle of the dark, in

1014
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, in this huge cedar swamp. You

1015
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: know that stress is building up. It's gotta tell me rumbling,

1016
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: and he's got to go, and he's got to go bad.

1017
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: But he doesn't know how to get back to the cabin,

1018
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: and he does not know where he is, and he

1019
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: did not bring TP with him. So you know, when

1020
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: you gotta go, you gotta go. So he took care

1021
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: of business, and he had to tear off his boxers,

1022
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: but when he tried to tear them, it left the

1023
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: elastic band around the middle, but everything else tore off,

1024
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: so he had to use that and he came back,

1025
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: you know. So then he doesn't tell me about any

1026
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: of this stuff, obviously, until we get back to camp

1027
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: and he just walks up to me and he pulls

1028
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: up his shirt and it just shows this ripped elastic

1029
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: underwear band around his belly, and I'm like, what in

1030
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: the world did you do and why are you showing

1031
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: me this? So always bring t P. Always, Always don't

1032
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: don't be that guy that has nothing but a Haynes's

1033
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: elastic band thong on or walk out of the timber

1034
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: with one sleeve or one sleep. Dude. Here's another story

1035
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: I got. I've got a lot of these stories. These

1036
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: are weird. This is another friend who had to do this.

1037
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: He forgot TP and so he had to take one

1038
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: of his socks off. He used a sock. He tried

1039
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: to bury it, I think, but apparently not well enough

1040
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: because we got back to this property shed hunting a

1041
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: year later and we're walking around and we walk up

1042
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: on a sock and I'm like, what's the sock doing

1043
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: out here? He's like, oh, I used that to wipe

1044
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: myself and he picks it up to bring it home

1045
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: with him. What what what are you doing? You you

1046
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: you took care of business with that sock. And he's like, well, yeah,

1047
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: that was that was five months ago, and he was No,

1048
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: he's married. I'm not gonna say anymore. I'm not gonna

1049
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: say anymore, but it's okay. But I was laughing pretty hard.

1050
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: I was giving a real hard time about that one.

1051
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, who knew we would have so many

1052
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: number two stories, right, I have a couple more, but

1053
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: I think we don't have time for those. Um okay,

1054
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: So sorry guys, everyone listening. I'm so sorry for this.

1055
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: No way, I think the fans. I think the listeners

1056
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: are enjoying this. They are here, right because you know what,

1057
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: everybody can relate in some way. I don't care how

1058
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: uptight you are, how mature you are, we can all

1059
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: relate to this in some small way. Well, the oldest

1060
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: joke in the world is the fart that's true, never

1061
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: never gets old, never gets old. Okay, So okay, So

1062
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: after that, um okay, favorite, let's see what do I

1063
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: want to do? I have a list? Here? Okay, here here,

1064
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: don't have a list, you're so full of it. Well,

1065
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 1: it's kind of a list. It's just more it looks

1066
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: like I was gonna say, it's like chicken scratch and drawings,

1067
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: probably on a piece of paper. Right, So like here,

1068
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: here's one. I'm gonna read it. Um music listen on

1069
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: the on the way. So that's what that's what it says. Okay, so,

1070
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: oh man, on your way from wherever you're staying to

1071
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: your hunting property. What kind of music do you listen to?

1072
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: All Right? I take this very seriously. I know and

1073
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: I anyway, go ahead, take this very seriously. So it's

1074
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: one of two things. I either have a I've got

1075
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: a CD. I've got a playlist. It used to be

1076
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: a CD now it's a playlist of hunting related songs.

1077
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: So stuff like fred Bear and um shoot, there's a

1078
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different Turkey Point Buck and second Week

1079
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: of Deer Camp and a bunch of great hunting related songs.

1080
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: So that's option number one, Okay. Option number two is

1081
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: techno music like dance electronic dance music like Pump Me Up. Yeah, Yeah,

1082
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: A lot of that because that gets me, gets me

1083
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: fired up, gives me awake. Um. So for the past

1084
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: several years, I've developed what I call the rut and

1085
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: Rave playlist for the year. So every year, in like October,

1086
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: I put together a new electronic dance music playlist for

1087
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: Spotify that I jammed to for that whole hunting season.

1088
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: That's like my soundtrack for the season, and that's what

1089
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: gets me up and going. Every morning on the drive

1090
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: over while I'm drinking like a five hour energy and

1091
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: eating my breakfast, we jam out to that. So, um,

1092
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: that's what I That's what I do. I think what

1093
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: we should do is it doesn't have to be this podcast,

1094
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: but me and you need to come up with our

1095
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: top ten hunting song like a hunting list playlist, and

1096
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: then we'll post it as a blog on the Wired

1097
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: to Hunt. Yeah blog. No, definitely, I had I posted

1098
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: that exact thing either last year or the or the

1099
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: fall before, So there is a blog post of what

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00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: I post of what I had a year or two ago.

1101
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: So I'll post that link in the notes for this

1102
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: one if I remember, and then we should do an

1103
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: updated list for sure, with with your suggestions as well.

1104
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: I think that would be good. I've actually had I've

1105
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: talked about this. I don't know where I talked about it,

1106
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: but I talked about this rutten Ripe playlist before, and

1107
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: I've had people request for me to send it over.

1108
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: I actually had somebody in my our our Wired to

1109
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: Hunt audience survey, someonody somebody requested that I share my

1110
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: Spotify playlist. So there is interest. There is interest in this, okay, now,

1111
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: But what about you myself? I don't necessarily like to

1112
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: get fired up, like like I remember when all the

1113
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: Hunting shows used to have like heavy metal. It's like

1114
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: their tiptoe into the woods and all you hear is

1115
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: like you know that kind of stuff, and uh uh,

1116
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: never never really thought of hunting and heavy metal going together. Agreed.

1117
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: But I am a huge fan of the Black Keys

1118
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: and the past two years along with my John Lee

1119
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: Hooker Greatest Hip album, those two, those two CDs are

1120
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: what I jam out too on my way to in

1121
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: the specific Black Keys c D is Brothers, the album

1122
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: titled Brothers by the Black Keys, that's the one that

1123
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: I jam out too. And John Lee Hooker's Greatest Hits.

1124
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: So what does that stuff? What does it do for it?

1125
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: Is it does that gets you pumped? Or is it

1126
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: just gets you like in the flow and comfortable or what?

1127
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: What doesn't do it for? Focus? Focused? And it's not like, uh,

1128
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: it's not like, hey, I need to bench press two

1129
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: d pounds type focused or uh you know, I'm gonna

1130
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: try to relax and go to sleep. It gives me

1131
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: just like that, I don't know, like when I think

1132
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: of blues, I think of like dirt roads and country

1133
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 1: and backwoods and uh, just kind of like blues rock

1134
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: type of boom boom, you know that kind of that

1135
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, And for some reason it just gets me.

1136
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: It gets me like not fired up, but it gets

1137
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: me focused and ready for the upcoming hunt. Yeah, you know,

1138
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: I think there really is something to this because music

1139
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: can really impact your mindset and your attitude and you're

1140
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: like focus level and that's so important going into a hunt.

1141
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: I really do think that your mind is so important.

1142
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: Just being in the right place mentally before a hunt

1143
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 1: can make a big difference, especially especially during the rut.

1144
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: If you've hunted days on end and you're exhausted and

1145
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: tired after five full day sits or whatever. I mean,

1146
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: that is when it's just like it becomes such a

1147
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: mental game and music really can help. I think. Ye. Alright,

1148
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: So we we drive to the property, right we are,

1149
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: we take we get out of our truck. We walked

1150
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: to the tree stand and oh man, I'm kind of hungry.

1151
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: What snacks did you pack for your hunting? Shit, you're

1152
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: just trying to get me in trouble. Well, I know

1153
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: you got haters from oh man, you got diabetes or

1154
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: whatever whatever those comments were about your They came out

1155
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: of the woodwork and just like blasted me for unhealthy diet.

1156
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: They shamed you. They really they they body shamed me, Dan,

1157
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: They body shamed me. They diet shamed me, and it

1158
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings. So let's talk about that more. What

1159
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: what is in your backpack? So it depends on the

1160
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: time of year. If it's uh, I really don't. I

1161
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: don't bring food with me at all except for the rut.

1162
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: So when during the regular during the rest of the season,

1163
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,479
Speaker 1: just maybe a bottle of water. But during the rut,

1164
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: that's when I'm hunting, you know, is you know, long hours,

1165
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: usually the full day. So in those cases that bring

1166
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: snacks because you know, when you're on the tree for

1167
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen hours. You need something to help distract you

1168
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: and something to obviously keep you sustained out there. So

1169
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: I usually bring of variety of different things. But if

1170
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: I had to, like if I had to bring like

1171
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: on average, what i'd had, I've got bottle of water,

1172
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: I've got some type of caffeine, so it might be

1173
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: a can of pop, it might be ah energy drink,

1174
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: like a five hour energy or something like that. Um.

1175
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: But between those two water for the full day, and

1176
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: then like a little burst of caffeine that I'll try

1177
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: to take around lunch. Um. And then I'll bring usually

1178
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: two types of snack options, and then I'll lunch. So

1179
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: lunch will probably usually be like a peanut butter and

1180
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: jelly sandwich, some type of cracker or chip, and like

1181
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: a banana or an apple. UM, and then snacks to

1182
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: eat usually around you know, like maybe ten o'clock nine,

1183
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: Between nine and ten, I'll usually have a snack, and

1184
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 1: then it might have another snack between two and three

1185
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: to kind of break up my day. So like I've

1186
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: got you know, you know, hunt for a couple of hours,

1187
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: snack a couple of hours, lunch a couple of hours,

1188
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: snack couple hours into the hunt, so that that snack

1189
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: might be jerky or some mixed nuts, um uh, maybe

1190
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: some crackers just like that granola bar. Um. Some combination

1191
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: of those types of things would typically be the snacks

1192
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: that would bring. And then maybe like a little piece

1193
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: of candy, just as like to reward myself for still

1194
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: being there. Um. So in general, that is what I've

1195
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: got on those hunts. Sometimes I brought lunchables, which sounds

1196
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: like a weird thing for lunch, but like I discovered

1197
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: this a couple of years ago. I don't know where

1198
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: I got the idea, but you know, sometimes it's just

1199
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: tough to make a sandwich and pack a lunch and

1200
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So getting a kid's lunchable

1201
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: has got some meat, some crackers, some cheese, some kind

1202
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: of little, you know, dessert thing, and they're just from

1203
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: a convenient standpoint, it looks kind of ridiculous, sounds kind

1204
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: of ridiculous, but it made it just convenient to grab

1205
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: something and go and you've got your lunch covered for

1206
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: those all days sets. So I occasionally do that, um,

1207
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: But otherwise I'd say that's my general rut related diet

1208
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: for during the hunt. Yeah, all right. So I don't

1209
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: typically bring any soda or pop into the timber. It's

1210
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: always just a bottle of water. However, I used to

1211
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,959
Speaker 1: be like go to the go to the gas station

1212
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: the night before and get like five apple pies and

1213
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: just eat apple pies all day, you know, the little

1214
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: pre package apple pies. Now these days, the last two seasons,

1215
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: I think I've felt like some kind of sugar crash,

1216
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: sugar rush crash where I get extra tired after you know,

1217
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: after that sugar wears off. So now, um, I've been

1218
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: bringing baby carrots and apples and that's pretty much it

1219
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: for But you that's is that what you're eating for

1220
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: lunch or you you're saying you're usually eating lunch at

1221
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: the truck. Whenever I'm in the tree stand, whether it's

1222
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: an all day set, which I don't typically do, or

1223
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: let's say like if I'm going in at noon and

1224
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: I know I have six hours ahead of me of sitting,

1225
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: or I know, hey, I'm gonna try to sit from

1226
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: morning all the way till noon before I switched tree stands,

1227
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: or if I know there's gonna be a wind shift

1228
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: and I bring food in with me it's either These days,

1229
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: it's just basically maybe a granola bar. This year, I

1230
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: had some left over um backpacking bars from the Elk trip,

1231
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: so I brought some of those in with me since

1232
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: you bought. Yeah, I think seventy two was the amount

1233
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: of pounds that I took in that those bars. Way,

1234
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. But the baby carrots and apples,

1235
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: and that's the last two years pretty much, that's what

1236
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: I've every once in a while, maybe I'll grab a

1237
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: granola bar, but I feel that eating a whole bunch

1238
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: of sugar and then crashing makes you more tired than

1239
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: what you already are. Yeah, no, I agree. I think

1240
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: a generally decent diet out there does help. I've gotten

1241
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: better despite what people thought when they saw that picture.

1242
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: Most of that was not being eaten on the stand

1243
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: all day. You have to have a little for me,

1244
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: like a little variety, you know. I reward myself with

1245
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: the occasional junk food, but then I also eat primarily

1246
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: healthier food out there because it's like a it's a game.

1247
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: It's like get to mentally, it's a mental game, and

1248
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: for me, you get to have like a little you know,

1249
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: it's like that the scarrot or the carrot versus the

1250
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: stick mentality. I want that carrot out in front of

1251
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: me of like something different two hours from now and

1252
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: something different three hours from then. Again, that's this is

1253
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: for like those all day sits which are just you know,

1254
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: particularly difficult. Having some variety is something that helps for me.

1255
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: But I do agree keeping a generally healthy diet will help.

1256
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: Um I cannot. I personally have to be honest. I

1257
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: cannot claim to eat healthy dinners during those RUT trips

1258
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: because we're out. We're living in a hotel in the

1259
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere or you know wherever it is, with

1260
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of us guys sharing hotel rooms. So you

1261
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: can't cook something good. You can't you know, really do

1262
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: a good job of planning healthy meal. So we just

1263
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: end up eating junk food every night, kind of from

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Speaker 1: wherever fast food place we go. So that is our

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: downfall probably, But you know what, live a little right,

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Speaker 1: So I I when I go on my rut vacations,

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Speaker 1: I'm fortunate enough to stay with my parents because my

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: hunting property is close to their house. So I just stare,

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: stay there and drive to the hunting property every morning.

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: And so I either get home cooked meals every night,

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01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: which is nice, or if for some reason my mom

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01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: doesn't cook a meal, I'll throw in a pizza, like

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: a frozen pizza, or maybe make a trip to subway.

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: But I binge eat at night, so I'm typically I'm

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: not typically too hungry in the mornings. So I'll get

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01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: hungry somewhere around ten thirty eleven o'clock. Yeah, so I

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't eat breakfast. Do you know what this is doing?

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01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: What's making me hungry? Well, yeah, that it's making me hungry,

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01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: and it's also getting me excited for the rut. Just

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01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: talking about the RUT trip, I'm getting pumped. I know,

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pumped about turkey hunting, and I'm pumped about well,

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01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm always pumped about deer hunting. Yeah, okay, I'm I'm

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: real pumped. I'm I'm man, I'm ready. Are you pumped?

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01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. I'm ready to get out there. I've been

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01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: scouting maps already, I've been thinking, I've been looking. I'm

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01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: ready to get out to I'm going down to Ohio

1287
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: again here and like a month to turkey hunt and

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: put up cameras for the summer and do some more

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01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: work and uh man, you know how it is the

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01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: cycle endlessly repeats over and over. Okay, So we've already

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01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: been at this about an hour, alright, little over an hour,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna end on the last question of this

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01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: is the last question? Okay, okay. But but before we

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01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: get into that last question, I have another question for you.

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01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: How how do you think I'm doing as a host?

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01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: So far? You've done well, then I've done well. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Other other than getting a really crappy guest, other than

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: this being the worst guest ever, this is You've done

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01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: a good job. I've enjoyed it. It's been fun for

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01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: me and in about ten minutes of talking about poop,

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01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: that's been the highlight problems from Okay, okay, So other

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01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: than that, what's the last question? The last question? And

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01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 1: this is this is something that our listeners get every

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01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: day from this podcast. You know, you get the emails.

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: I get the emails and they're kind of like, hey man,

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01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: I love this podcast. Um, I love it. You know

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: I've used these tactics to um, you know, moving on

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01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: a deer or next year I know where I need

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01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: to be, or hey I helped you know, it. You know,

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01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: your guests and all the information that they've brought has

1311
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: gotten me information that I need to make a move

1312
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: on a deer. And you know, they send you pictures

1313
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: like here, here's this buck I killed this year. Yeah,

1314
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I love I love hearing about our listeners success.

1315
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: That's that is probably my favorite part of this whole

1316
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: deal is talking with the listeners. But now we're gonna

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: talk about Mark Kenyon. What is your favorite tactic? Now

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01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: that's very general question or very broad, vague question, right,

1319
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: very very what is your favorite hunting dear white tail

1320
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: with a bow hunting tactic? So I mean do you

1321
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: mean like a like a trick or like an overarching

1322
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: philosophy or like one basic concept that I hear that

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: I hear to or something like that. Okay, I'll repeat myself,

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01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: what is your favorite white tail with a bow bow hunting?

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01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: Hunting tactic? So you're not gonna get it, Okay, do

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: you want me to go? Do you want me to

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01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: go first? No, I'll take it, Okay, Okay, I'll take it. Um,

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: I'll just answer it how I want to answer. That's fine, Okay,

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01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: it's open for interpretation. It's open So if I had

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01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 1: to think through all of the different things that I've

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01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: learned over my own years of hunting, and my own

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01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: years of studying other resources, and now learning from all

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01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: these dozens and dozens and dozens of different people I've

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: been able to talk to through what You're hunt in

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: the podcast, if I take all those things, and if

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01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: I had to drill down to like the core concepts

1337
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: of what's the very most important thing for me when

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: it comes to being a successful ball hunter. I think

1339
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: most of what I do, if I were to drill

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01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: down to the essentials of it, comes down to the

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01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 1: importance of timing. Everything for me revolves around timing, and

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: that is by default related to pressure. Right. I think

1343
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: everything when it comes to hunting mature box comes to

1344
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: how can you reduce hunting pressure? How can you make

1345
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: these deer feel comfortable and not become educated about your

1346
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: presence and then still be able to get in and

1347
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: hunt that deer, put yourself in a position to kill

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: that deer within you know, thirty yards or whatever without

1349
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: them realizing they're being hunted. So how do you do that?

1350
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: And I think the most important thing you can do

1351
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: in order to achieve that is to pay attention to

1352
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: your timing. By that, I mean when you hunt, when

1353
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: you hunt certain areas, how you approach your season based

1354
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: on time of year, conditions, all that. So at a

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01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: at a super high level, you know, I'm thinking through

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01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, for example, I'm I'm not hunting certain areas

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,560
Speaker 1: at certain times, I'm not hunting at all with certain conditions.

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm planning on hunting specific stands or specific areas because

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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: of a time of year, or because of a specific

1360
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: specific set of factors, or you know, intel that I've gained. Um.

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: But but all these things relate to timing, being really

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01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: thoughtful and purposeful about choosing when you hunt, why you

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01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: hunt on that given day or during that given time,

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: and when you go into a certain area. So at

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01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: a high level, that would be the most I think

1366
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: the most like overarching philosophical view I have about deer

1367
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: hunting is everything relates to timing. Um. I think most

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01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: of what I do revolves around that concept in some way,

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: because in the past, I thought you just hunt as

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01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: much as you possibly could. Every chance I have, I'm

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01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: gonna hunt, and I'm gonna always go to the best

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: place I think I can go and I've come to

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: find that quality over quantity is a lot more important.

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01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: So to get those quality sets, it comes down to

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01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: picking the right times to strike, or at least picking

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: the right times to be in the right place. So

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Speaker 1: that is my answer. That's a that's a good answer.

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01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Okay, did I answer correctly? Sure? How

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01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: about you? Do you have a favorite tactic? Now, I'm

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: going to be specific in mine. My favorite tactic is

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: because most of my the majority of my hunting, you know,

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01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: other than the early season, where you know, I can

1383
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: hunt the weekends. So if I'm going to approach my

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01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: rut vacation, all right, I am going to find a

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01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: betting area on a ridge, and I am going to

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: sit on the down wind side of that, either that

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01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: specific betting area or a travel corridor off that ridge

1388
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: to and from a betting two or from a betting area,

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01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: and I walk with my back two. Well, it just

1390
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: depends on how I'm accessing that particular stand. But a

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: majority of my um access routes have my wind the

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01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: wind blowing against my back already in the timber. It's

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: blowing into the timber, right, So if there is for

1394
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: some reason something there it's gonna bust me, but it's

1395
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of a risky move. And that once you get

1396
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: to your stand, that wind is blowing off the top

1397
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: of the ridge down into the valley. And I have

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01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: seen more deer in that scenario than any other scenario

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01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: or tree stand placement that I have ever that I

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01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: that I have. So that is my favorite because that

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,799
Speaker 1: is where I have the encounters with my biggest box

1402
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: and the end as far as quantity of deer, the

1403
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: most dear I see. So during the rut downwind of

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01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: a dough betting area or travel corridor going into out

1405
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: of a betting area. Correct, And typically this is on

1406
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: a ridge on a ridge and you are going in

1407
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: the morning morning hunt with the wind blowing into the

1408
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: timber off the ridge into the valley. That's correct, all right,

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: that sounds like a pretty decent set up. So that's

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: my that's my favorite tactic. Good answer, my friend, Okay,

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01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: good answer, Well, my friend, I guess I'll hand the

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01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: reins back over to you. What do you think on

1413
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: a scale of nine to ten? How did I do?

1414
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: Nine to ten? Is my only options? Right? So that way,

1415
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 1: if you say nine, I can say, hey, you know

1416
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: I did it pretty good. I got in fine. I

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01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: give you the lowest possible rating available and that's good. Okay, okay,

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: you gotta ten. Dan. You did great, You did great.

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01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. This was fun. It was it was different,

1420
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: and uh I laughed a lot, so HI marks for laughter.

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01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:43,879
Speaker 1: Good good, Alright, hopefully the listeners found it this fun

1422
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: as well. I don't think anyone heard it, Dan. I

1423
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: think everyone turned off after ten minutes, so I think

1424
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: it was this is for you and me. This is

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01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: playing in the background while someone's doing the dishes or

1426
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, working on a car motor going number two.

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: So so I'm gonna take it back from you really

1428
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: really briefly here. Um, thank you Dan for running this one.

1429
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: This was fun. And we didn't even say at the

1430
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: beginning that if someone's new to the show, why this happened.

1431
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: This happened because you won the trail Camera beout Last

1432
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: Summer UM, and so the winner of that got to

1433
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: host the show. Well, if it was you, you you got

1434
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: to host the show. So that's why we did this, um,

1435
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: And it was fun. So I might make you do

1436
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: it again in the future and watch out, Hey, I say,

1437
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: we have the same bed again. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay,

1438
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that more towards summertime. Yeah, yeah, we

1439
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: we should. We'll talk about more in the summer, which, um,

1440
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm pumped for some big Velvet bucks on trail camera.

1441
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: So so that said, Before we do shut down the

1442
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: show though, just quickly, we need to give a big

1443
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: thank you to our partners who helped keep this podcast

1444
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: on the air. So big thank you too, Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge,

1445
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds On Tara Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express,

1446
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tailed Institute of North America.

1447
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: And finally, in most importantly, thank you everyone for joining

1448
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: us today, for listening, for laughing along with us. We

1449
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: hope you had as much fun as we did. Until

1450
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: next time, Dan, do you want to take it from there? Yeah,

1451
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: And I wrote a comment down real quick. Hopefully this

1452
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: podcast was like a warm hug to your ears. And

1453
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: this is a reminder from Dan Johnson and Mark Kenyon

1454
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: to stay wired to hunt. Well done, m