WEBVTT - DeSantis’ Fashwave Adventure, Part 3

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, it could happen here. A podcast that is right

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<v Speaker 1>now happening in your year. It could happen a year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we should call it, Garrison. We're changing the name.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, gambitzer.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, this is a This has been a fun week.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all laughing a little bit at Elon Musk, but

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<v Speaker 1>we have something serious to talk about today, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is everybody's favorite fascist governor, Ron DeSantis. Garrison, you and

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<v Speaker 1>I spent just way too much time last week talking

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<v Speaker 1>about meetball Ron, and now now we're back. Now we're

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<v Speaker 1>back to because he keeps meatballing meetball ron Is ballin

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<v Speaker 1>and meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we wrapped up like a like a two

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<v Speaker 2>part episode on Ron Desanis's use of Fashi rave asthetics,

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<v Speaker 2>and then like two days later, the funniest thing happened,

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<v Speaker 2>uh where he just decided to basically basically post Son

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<v Speaker 2>and Rads. So we're gonna we're gonna get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But first there's a whole bunch of other information that's

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<v Speaker 2>come out these these past like really three days that

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of that are actually giving more context to

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on at the Dasantas campaign because stuff doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>look too good. Actually, you know, he he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>looks like he's losing everything as he slowly watches it

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<v Speaker 2>all crumble. So let's see. Let's let's start by talking

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<v Speaker 2>about everyone's favorite topic, campaign finances. I know this is

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<v Speaker 2>what what everyone tunes in to listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we love campaign finances.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so last week the public finally got a glimpse

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<v Speaker 2>at DeSantis's campaign finances. The financial disclosures that DeSantis had

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<v Speaker 2>about twice as much staff as Donald Trump and as

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<v Speaker 2>of last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Garrison, you just said that, and I imagine in

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<v Speaker 1>my head for a second that you were referring to

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of staff infections he's had versus Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true. No, Trump's definitely had more staff.

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<v Speaker 1>There's almost no way, Yeah, that Trump is not leading

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<v Speaker 1>in the staff infections category. Please, I'm sorry to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>But as of last week, the Florida governor had already

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<v Speaker 2>spent about forty percent of the twenty million dollars fundraised

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<v Speaker 2>from April to June of twenty twenty three. So the

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<v Speaker 2>campaign's suspending rate was averaging more than two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twelve thousand dollars per day, which is an astronomical cost

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<v Speaker 2>for a campaign for someone like running for president, basically

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<v Speaker 2>for the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Time this far out too from the season proper hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's absolutely absurd. The inflated number of staff have

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<v Speaker 2>use of private jets and luxury event venues has his

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<v Speaker 2>campaign essentially just burning through cash and with very little

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<v Speaker 2>seeming to come of it in terms of positive poll numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>So another thing that they've.

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<v Speaker 1>Gained maybe a point or so on Trump over the

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<v Speaker 1>last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, after spending two hundred thousand dollars per day for

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<v Speaker 2>the past like four months. Another thing that these financial

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<v Speaker 2>disclosures exposed is DeSantis's heavy dependence on high contributors. So

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<v Speaker 2>just about fifteen percent of fundraising contributions came from donors

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<v Speaker 2>who gave less than two hundred dollars, and the vast,

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority of DeSantis's money has come from donors who

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<v Speaker 2>gave the legal maximum of three thy three hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in the primary, which also means that those who gave

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<v Speaker 2>that can cannot contribute any more money either. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>running out of people that are actually able to fund

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<v Speaker 2>his operation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's worth noting he does have a super pack.

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<v Speaker 1>You are not limited in how much you can donate

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<v Speaker 1>to a super pack, but super packs cannot spend money

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<v Speaker 1>on the same things as general campaign funds, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there are limitations in what you can use that on.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is actually a logistical problem for him that

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<v Speaker 1>he has maxed out his donor base.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and The New York Times has reported that future

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<v Speaker 2>like large prospective donors have been spooked by DeSantis's sliding

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<v Speaker 2>poll numbers, and they may be less willing to invest

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<v Speaker 2>in what's looking like a losing battle. So to combat

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<v Speaker 2>these swelling campaign expenses, including two hundred and seventy nine

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars at the four seasons in Miami, DeSantis's Tallahassee

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<v Speaker 2>based campaign has began undercoing massive cuts to campaign staff

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<v Speaker 2>this past week. Previously, Desanta's had upwards of ninety people

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<v Speaker 2>on payroll, but just this month they've eliminated thirty eight

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<v Speaker 2>jobs in a variety of departments, cutting more than one

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<v Speaker 2>third of his payroll. DeSantis's cutbacks are nearly quill to

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<v Speaker 2>the size of Trump's entire twenty twenty four campaign staff.

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<v Speaker 2>Dessentis's campaign manager, Grenera Peck said in a statement, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe late last week quote, following a top to bottom

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<v Speaker 2>review of our organization, we have taken additional aggressive steps

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<v Speaker 2>to streamline operations and put Ron DeSantis in the strongest

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<v Speaker 2>position to win this primary and defeat Joe Biden. So

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<v Speaker 2>that that was their little statement accompanying the news of

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<v Speaker 2>firing almost forty people from their campaign. According to The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times, advertisers are quote promising to reorient the

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<v Speaker 2>DeSantis candidacy as a quote unquote insurgent run and remake

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<v Speaker 2>it into a quote unquote leaner, meaner operation. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is the new strategy that they're trying to do, is

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<v Speaker 2>instead of having ninety people on staff in a largely

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<v Speaker 2>ineffectual strategy, have a more insurgent run with a smaller

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<v Speaker 2>number of people. But in addition to the dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>staff members who've been let go this July, two senior

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<v Speaker 2>advisors have also departed this month to work for an

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<v Speaker 2>outside pro DeSantis nonprofit. One of these senior advisors, who

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to oversee the campaign's television messaging, voluntarily left

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<v Speaker 2>quote as the reality of a disappearing advertising budget set in.

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<v Speaker 2>So these these two more more kind of seasoned Republican

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<v Speaker 2>advisors saw what was happening in the campaign, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>still pro DeSantis, but they believe they can be more

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<v Speaker 2>effective by working from outside of the actual campaign. That's

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<v Speaker 2>so funny, which is not a great sign for DeSantis's

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<v Speaker 2>internal internal team here if you have people like who

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<v Speaker 2>still like you, but they just can't work for you

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<v Speaker 2>because you're doing such a bad job. So Desatus's team

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<v Speaker 2>is now telegraphing a plan to engage with mainstream media

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<v Speaker 2>that in the way that they have not previously done

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<v Speaker 2>because they've he's so far kind of scornfully avoided it,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've talked about obviously. And they're calling this new

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<v Speaker 2>strategy the Dysantis is Everywhere approach, which is a good

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ bad name for strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>The part of the problem, Garrison, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to like I can't like prove this the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we prove, you know, when we're when we're tracing back

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<v Speaker 1>the ideological roots of like a lot of our modern fascists.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I what I believe in my heart is

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<v Speaker 1>that so many of these very young people on the

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<v Speaker 1>extreme right who are who are driving this campaign like

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<v Speaker 1>just want to be villains from a bad late nineties

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands movie. They want to be they want

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<v Speaker 1>to be the bad guy in like the fucking supervill

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<v Speaker 1>hero movie, right Like that that's you don't You don't

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<v Speaker 1>say that about a guy who's good like this, You

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't like the Biden campaign if they came to Joe

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, we want to do a Biden is

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere thing, he'd be like, now that sounds kind of creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys Like I already got a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with that, what with a hair sniff, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really want to really want to jump on.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right you know, Like it definitely has the vibes

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<v Speaker 2>of like zoomers who grew up watching like late nineties

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<v Speaker 2>animated superhero cartoons who are trying to like it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to emulate that for some reason. There is

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<v Speaker 2>one one really funny quote from the Times that I

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<v Speaker 2>will read because it quotes like internal sources that that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have access to, but anyway, quote one person

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<v Speaker 2>close to mister DeSantis, who requested anonymity to speak candidly

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<v Speaker 2>about a candidate whom the person still supports, said the

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<v Speaker 2>governor had experienced quote unquote a challenging learning curve that

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<v Speaker 2>has left him quote unquote a little bit jarred.

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<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't sound like a six year old who's

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<v Speaker 1>like not quite progressing fast enough in the reading where

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, maybe we need to try teaching him another way,

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<v Speaker 1>like we'll get out the different colored books.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, so he seems to have a rough adjustment

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<v Speaker 2>period to campaigning in just more than one state and

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<v Speaker 2>having an actual like opponent to go up against, and

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<v Speaker 2>also like an opponent who's like actually a good who's

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<v Speaker 2>like good at being like a politician. Yeah. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a challenging learning curve.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, I might I might specify, I think actually DeSantis

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot better as being a politician than Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not what the competition is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, DeSantis is better at being like an effective like governor. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's better.

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<v Speaker 1>He's better at the machinery of politics, yes, whereas Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is better at holding power within the GOP.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and being like a showman. So we will we

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<v Speaker 2>will talk more about some uh some actually relatively breaking

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<v Speaker 2>news regarding the DeSantis campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly cited for this. I just saw this before we

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<v Speaker 1>got on.

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<v Speaker 2>Short shortly after this at break. Okay, we are we

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<v Speaker 2>are back. So a lot has happened in the past

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<v Speaker 2>two days, a lot has happened in the past two hours actually,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're We're gonna have to work our way there.

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<v Speaker 2>The first bit of news that was kind of both

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<v Speaker 2>it was both confirming my suspicions and in very a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting piece of news in the first place, is

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<v Speaker 2>that that fast Wave inspired kind of homophobic Pride Month

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<v Speaker 2>video that we talked about in our last Dysantis fash

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<v Speaker 2>Wave episode. It turns out to be slightly more self

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<v Speaker 2>inflicted than what than what at least I said in

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<v Speaker 2>the episode, because I didn't want to make claims that

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't back up. Because we have we have some

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<v Speaker 2>new new information regarding this video, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>quote from this this article in the Times quote a

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<v Speaker 2>DeSantis campaign had originally produced the video internally, passing it

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<v Speaker 2>off to an outside supporter to post it first and

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<v Speaker 2>making it appear as if it was generated independently, according

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<v Speaker 2>to a person with knowledge of the incident, So this

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<v Speaker 2>video turned out to be actually be made in house.

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<v Speaker 2>This actually was made by someone who was working for

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<v Speaker 2>Rondasantis as we speculated it initially, but we couldn't really

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<v Speaker 2>like say for sure because it was it was posted

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<v Speaker 2>first on a third party account.

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically, the guy who was the one who shared it

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<v Speaker 1>is the dude who made it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that is for this next video we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. Yeah, the the homophobic one was shared by

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<v Speaker 2>this this this Protosantas account called Proud Elephant, who had

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<v Speaker 2>a corresponding telegram channel. This was the guy who posted

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<v Speaker 2>the first homophobic mean one. But yeah, so we found

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<v Speaker 2>out Sunday night that it was actually made by someone

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<v Speaker 2>at the DeSantis campaign, which kind of just to find

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of our suspicions about DeSantis employing staff of

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<v Speaker 2>zoomers who don't actually understand how to win a political

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<v Speaker 2>election and are more interested in just creating fascist memes,

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<v Speaker 2>which is seems to be not a very effective strategy

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<v Speaker 2>for DeSantis so far. So again, just the day that

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<v Speaker 2>this news broke that that the video was actually made

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<v Speaker 2>in house, another fash wave of inspired video, but with

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<v Speaker 2>much much more overt Nazi imagery, was shared online by

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<v Speaker 2>a Dysantis campaign staffer. I'm Robert. Have you seen this video?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Okay, so I'm the son in rad video.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So we don't have to watch it here, but

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<v Speaker 2>I will I will give a description of it for

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<v Speaker 2>for the people listening, because also we should probably souldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be sharing these things like everywhere on on like Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff anyway, Like it's not it's not a great idea, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to make you happier help you in

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<v Speaker 1>any way. To see this, it's just like it's surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that I was surprised to see how

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<v Speaker 1>fascy it was, to see how like explicitly accelerationist mass

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<v Speaker 1>shooter fascy it was. Yes, this is like christ Church

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<v Speaker 1>kind of Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we're not gonna share it, but but it

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<v Speaker 2>is useful to know what's in it. So I did

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<v Speaker 2>write a pretty in depth description of this video here.

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<v Speaker 2>So this video was posted on Sunday, July twenty third.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about seventy seconds long. It plays over a Meg

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<v Speaker 2>Myers cover of the song Running Up the Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Which was made you know recent Wait, isn't that the

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<v Speaker 1>one that was the one that the new season of

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<v Speaker 1>Stranger Things? A while back like it brought back to.

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<v Speaker 2>The main Possibly it's it is it is a Kate

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<v Speaker 2>Bush original. This one is is a more like electronic

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<v Speaker 2>cover of the song. Yes, it's talking about like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a like a trying to like ask God to

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<v Speaker 2>help you with certain things. Blah blah bla blah blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah. Anyway, it starts with the Doomer wo Jack

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at a computer looking at headlines about the ineffectiveness

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump's border wall, unfulfilled anti immigration policies, and Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>pro COVID vaccine statements. So I guess we should probably

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what a wojack is in case someone is unfamiliar.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever spent any amount of time on the Internet,

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<v Speaker 2>you've probably seen memes with kind of crudely drawn like

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<v Speaker 2>human faces and heads. These are called wojack memes. They're

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're very popular in like political spheres. They kind

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<v Speaker 2>of kind of rose to prominence on four Chat and

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<v Speaker 2>spread spread out from there. Everyone kind of uses them nowadays.

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<v Speaker 2>They're pretty common, but there's a few specific like wojack characters,

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<v Speaker 2>like the chad is one. One of the more popular

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<v Speaker 2>ones is the Doomer wojack, which is someone who's taken

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<v Speaker 2>the black pill, so to speak. They've they've they've looked

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<v Speaker 2>at modern society and have decided that it's not worth

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<v Speaker 2>engaging in. Now there's this. There's doomers on the right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's dumers on the left. There's doomers who look at

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<v Speaker 2>like climate change and the acceleration of like of of

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism and just decide, hey, this is this is too

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<v Speaker 2>far gone. So they become a doomer, and they're on

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<v Speaker 2>the left. There's also duomers on the right who are

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<v Speaker 2>like looking at gay marriage and the acceptance of trans

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<v Speaker 2>people to being like, oh, this is so socially degenerate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the society's too far gone, and then they become

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<v Speaker 2>a doomer. But they're on the right. So it's it.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens on It happens on both sides, and both

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<v Speaker 2>both sides use doomer memes. Uh yeah, this one is

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<v Speaker 2>because we're talking about it in this context of fash wave.

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<v Speaker 2>This is obviously a fascist doomer meme. But that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what I mean when I say there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>a doomer wojack sitting sitting at a computer. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a guy with a beanie, like a scruffy beard.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks like very depressed and tired, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So as as these kind of headlines about Trump's not

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<v Speaker 2>conservative enoughness are flashing on this computer, the dumer rojack

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<v Speaker 2>is looking increasing lead disillusioned and apathetic. Then there's the

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<v Speaker 2>clip of Trump holding up a Pride flag that plays

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<v Speaker 2>right before we see Trump signing the First Step Act,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty eighteen Criminal Justice Reform Bill. Then headlines flash

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<v Speaker 2>about violent criminals being released into the streets, that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. So the doumer BoJack is looking at all

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<v Speaker 2>these things about Trump looking more and more depressed, when

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly a doorway appears with an almost angelic light pouring

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<v Speaker 2>in from behind, and as the door opens, we see

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<v Speaker 2>a silhouette of Ron DeSantis. More short clips of Ron play,

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<v Speaker 2>and now the wojack is looking happy, almost like exuberant,

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly kind of random images of outer space, volcanoes, rocket launches, surfing,

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<v Speaker 2>and the beach flash quickly on screen with with like

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<v Speaker 2>glitchy silhouettes of Ronda Santis looming above coastal ocean side

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<v Speaker 2>cities that are lit up by a sunset. A don't

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<v Speaker 2>tread on Florida Alligator flag spins onto screen like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking like ms paint like edit and h. Then

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<v Speaker 2>the the video flashes more clips of DeSantis wearing sunglasses

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<v Speaker 2>standing in front of American flags as the sunset, Happy

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<v Speaker 2>Woejack fades in. So this is another woshack meme of

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<v Speaker 2>somebody almost like tearied eyed with like contentment, staring into

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<v Speaker 2>the horizon as like a sunset is behind their head.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of it kind of reminds me of like

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<v Speaker 2>the that guy who who stole that plane in Seattle

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very sad story if you're not aware of it.

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<v Speaker 1>A man hijacked I believe it was an Alaska Airs

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<v Speaker 1>flight a couple of years back. It was empty, like

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<v Speaker 1>he he worked at the airport. He just took the

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<v Speaker 1>plane and he got up into the sky and then

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<v Speaker 1>like he was just kind of a dude who was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of suicidal. There's very sad audio of him talking too,

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<v Speaker 1>because he gets on with air traffic control and he

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<v Speaker 1>makes sure that he's not going to hurt anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>and like then the plane goes down, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>goes down in it and it's it's very bleak. He

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<v Speaker 1>was not a man who wanted to hurt anybody. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just this kind of like exist I've heard. I found

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<v Speaker 1>it set to a lot of vapor wave tracks. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>like the audio the conversation between them, because he's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I think a lot of people identify with his

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<v Speaker 1>sense of like I don't really know why I was

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<v Speaker 1>ever here. I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's someone who's dealing with like postmodern absurdity, but

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that like he doesn't want to hurt

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<v Speaker 2>anybody about it, but he just doesn't know what to

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<v Speaker 2>do with existence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had part of he had like the the

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent of what a mass shooter has, which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly go out and I want to do something. But

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<v Speaker 1>thankfully he was also a good person and didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to like murder strangers.

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<v Speaker 2>So this became very popular on the Internet, including on

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<v Speaker 2>redda and four Chan. This he was he was dubbed

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<v Speaker 2>sky King, and there's there's footage of him basically crashing

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<v Speaker 2>this plane as the sun is setting, and there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>fut of which like him flying around in sunset. Played

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<v Speaker 2>often played with vapor wave with his conversation with attackt

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<v Speaker 2>for control. Now this is very popular. The sunset happy

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<v Speaker 2>Rojack is very similar. I've seen people post this image

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<v Speaker 2>in threads about sky King before, and I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot a lot of people to understand it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>this act that this this skyking thing, that this has

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<v Speaker 2>more in common with like accelerationist like terrorism than what

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<v Speaker 2>most people can like really understand about like between like

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<v Speaker 2>shooting a random person for like violent crime and this

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<v Speaker 2>like this, this is more this, This is closer to

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<v Speaker 2>why people do accelerationist like terroristic acts. But this guy

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<v Speaker 2>was like not actually a monster, so he didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>He like explicitly didn't want to hurt anybody. He explicitly

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to try to land the plane at the

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<v Speaker 2>airport because he thought he might hurt somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and presumably since he worked at an airport, he

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<v Speaker 1>had some knowledge of how easily that could go wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this anyway, these two images are kind of

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<v Speaker 2>linked often on the Internet. So anyway, we we we

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<v Speaker 2>see we see the video getting like more hopeful with

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<v Speaker 2>with with Ron de Santis, you know, having stupid fash wave,

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<v Speaker 2>having stupid fash wave imagery. Is this sunset happy Wojack

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<v Speaker 2>fades in as like as the doomer is now has

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<v Speaker 2>like contentment, and then this this, then this is followed

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<v Speaker 2>by very quick flashes of DeSantis and more more, more

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<v Speaker 2>beach imagery. There's a lot of beach in this video. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like this like rotating sheet of stickers that read

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<v Speaker 2>make America Florida. Then we get this shot of a

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<v Speaker 2>small yacht zooming through the water with DeSantis campaign events

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<v Speaker 2>played over top of the water. And during this shot

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<v Speaker 2>we have another Wojack holding a rifle, wearing Camo military

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<v Speaker 2>fatigues that slides onto screen. He has a patch of

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<v Speaker 2>the flag of Florida on his plate carrier and his helmet.

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<v Speaker 2>We get more shots of beachfront cities and rocket launches,

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<v Speaker 2>followed by headlines about Dysantis on a variety of topics,

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<v Speaker 2>including his anti immigration actions, his use of Florida's National

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<v Speaker 2>Guard in other states, DeSantis's anti diversity initiatives, his anti

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<v Speaker 2>education bills, his anti drag bills, the cancelation of pride

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<v Speaker 2>parades in Florida, and in general just kind of how

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<v Speaker 2>DeSantis has been pushing Florida further right. So, after this

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<v Speaker 2>barrage of headlines. We get to the most mask off

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<v Speaker 2>from a moment of the video. The flag of Florida

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<v Speaker 2>fills the screen with two lines of armed troops at

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<v Speaker 2>either side marching towards the flag. A still photo of

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<v Speaker 2>Dysantis is center frame, with his head right in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the seal of Florida, which is on the

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<v Speaker 2>center of their state flag. The head in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the seal creates this almost like halo effect around Dusantas's head,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the seal turns into a spinning son and

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<v Speaker 2>Rad as we zoom into the symbol as troops march

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<v Speaker 2>into center, and then the video ends. The Sun and

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<v Speaker 2>Rad is on screen for about ten seconds. So this

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<v Speaker 2>was a pretty upsetting thing to see on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, upsetting is one way to phrase it. Yeah, and again.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sun and Rad has a long history. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a specifically a cultic version of the swastika it reached.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been around for quite a while, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>most recent. The kind of thing that brought it into

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<v Speaker 1>modern prominence was the christ Church shooter chose it as

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<v Speaker 1>the cover of his manifesto and also wore a Son

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<v Speaker 1>and Rad. I believe it was on the chest of

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<v Speaker 1>his plate carrier. When he carried out his massacre. He

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<v Speaker 1>also had a couple on his gun.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, so it's very clearly Nazi symbol. I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's some people make jokes about how this must

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<v Speaker 2>have just been an Azov battalion reference. Deeply unserious.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you can see some of these on Azam again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a Nazi thing. They wear this too. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Azof uses it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's people trying to excuse the use of the sun

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<v Speaker 2>and rad by saying, oh, it's justin Azof simple it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a Hoatzia thing is bad, which is a deeply

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<v Speaker 2>unserious thing to say. So, yeah, this video was shared

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<v Speaker 2>by at least one campaign staffer. It's a very short video,

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<v Speaker 2>but it plays into a strain of like accelerationist propaganda

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<v Speaker 2>tropes that even the previous Fashionay video didn't didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>really have in many of the same ways, like like

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<v Speaker 2>all of all of like the dooomer Wojack slowly becoming

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<v Speaker 2>like happy and content than putting on military fatigues to

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<v Speaker 2>go fight for Ron Decantis, who's now in the center

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<v Speaker 2>of like a haloed sun and rad like it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it is emulating a type of meme that both gained

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<v Speaker 2>popular in order to specifically like inspire mass shootings to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and also to like to get young depressed male to

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<v Speaker 2>channel their depression into like fascism. It has a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of tropes like it's it's it's really just like

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<v Speaker 2>playing by the playbook. So the video was first posted

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<v Speaker 2>on the Twitter account ron DeSantis fancams, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>horrible sentence. Yeah, the account is a few months old,

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<v Speaker 2>but its visible posts only go back to June. They

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<v Speaker 2>post a lot of videos, all in a very similar style,

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<v Speaker 2>which leads you to believe that whoever operates the account

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<v Speaker 2>must be making the videos themselves. One video from the

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<v Speaker 2>account plays clips of people describing Dasantis as fascist, edited

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<v Speaker 2>together with clips of DeSantis deploying National Guard and calling

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<v Speaker 2>for civilian state military force under his control, all sliced

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<v Speaker 2>together next to footage of Nazis and Mussolini played over

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<v Speaker 2>an upbeat to EDM track. So it's all like explicitly

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<v Speaker 2>fascist stuff like like like it's people like rev like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like uh, proud proudly embracing the fascist label. So

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<v Speaker 2>this style of video is almost identical to the homophobic

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<v Speaker 2>pride Mones video that we discussed last week, and considering

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<v Speaker 2>the recent news that the other video shared by the

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<v Speaker 2>dasantas Warm account was secretly made by a campaign staffer,

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<v Speaker 2>that led myself and others to assume that this Saun

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<v Speaker 2>and Red video was most likely made by the same

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<v Speaker 2>person inside DeSantis's campaign and was operating this DeSantis Fancam

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<v Speaker 2>account as a sock puppet. But you know, I could

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<v Speaker 2>not prove this myself, really, I it's just it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a hard thing to kind of backtrack this.

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<v Speaker 2>This account was pretty clean in terms of like I

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<v Speaker 2>tried to, like, you know, do do pretty pretty basic

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<v Speaker 2>osen on this account, but it's it was, it was

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<v Speaker 2>I could not find out much about it. But uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The the campaign staff member that first shared this saun

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<v Speaker 2>and Red video to his own Twitter account was former

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<v Speaker 2>National Review writer Nate Hawkman. We will we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Nate Hawkman's exploits shortly shortly after this this hat break.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we are back and in a much better

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<v Speaker 2>position currently than twenty five year old Nate Hawkman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so really was a tragically was a promising career.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Let's give them another chance, Garrison, reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to Nate. We can bring him on the team,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, have him start making some videos for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll I'll build an invoice to Nate Hawkman's address. Yeah,

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll see where he lives. So, twenty five year old

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Nate Hawkman has been working as a speech writer for

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<v Speaker 2>de Santis's campaign after rising to prominence among young conservatives

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>for his online references and willingness to entertain ideas outside

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:07.959
<v Speaker 2>the Overton window. Uh. Hawkman hosted a Twitter space late

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<v Speaker 2>last year centered around the question of if white supremacists

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.959
<v Speaker 2>like a Nick Fuentes should have a place in the

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<v Speaker 2>modern conservative movement. Funtes himself appeared in the Twitter space,

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<v Speaker 2>and Hawkman thanked him for radicalizing children by saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>You've gotten a lot of kids based and we respect

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<v Speaker 2>you for that. And he also said that Fuentes quote

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<v Speaker 2>is probably a better influence than Ben Shapiro on young

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:40.640
<v Speaker 2>men who might otherwise be conservative unquote. So Hawkman has

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<v Speaker 2>retweeted the Dysantis fancam account at least six times before

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 2>he shared this Son and Rata video this past Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not the only Dysantis linked account to share

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 2>these videos. The campaign's war room Twitter account and the

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 2>pro DeSantis Never Back Down super pac have also shared

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 2>video from this Rondissantis fancam Twitter account. By using this

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 2>fancam account to post videos and then by retweeting on

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Nate's account, someone was certainly testing the waters to see

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.959
<v Speaker 2>how close the Dysantas campaign can get to like just

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<v Speaker 2>doing explicit Nazi shit, and considering the New York Times,

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 2>who Hawkman has written for, by the way, basically confirming

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>that the person who made the Pride Month video was

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<v Speaker 2>secretly employed by Dysantis and posted the a third party

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 2>to get some distance from the official campaign. This led

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<v Speaker 2>many to suspect that Hawkman was secretly the person behind

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>this fancam account due to the similarities in video styles

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and his frequent boosting of the account. The sun and

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Ride video was deleted the same day was posted, and

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<v Speaker 2>the fancam account has not posted since then. But then suddenly,

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<v Speaker 2>just a few hours ago as of time of recording,

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>news dropped that Nick Hachman has been fired from the

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Dasantis campaign, and the sources at Axiom confirmed that he

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>has in fact secretly been making these Fashway videos. So

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 2>it was it was Hawkman on all along. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what happens when you hire a twenty five year old

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<v Speaker 2>gropewer to work on your to work on your presidential bid, your.

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Very serious presidential campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah so uh. The Dessentant's campaign officially has only said

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<v Speaker 2>a few words on the subject, quote, Nate Hawkman is

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<v Speaker 2>no longer with the campaign and we will not be

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<v Speaker 2>commenting on him further.

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Not that easy, guys, But other.

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Anonymous sources have confirmed to news outlets that it was

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Hawkman who was making these videos. So this is weird

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 2>because like this hasn't been a great move for DeSantis

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>hiring Hawkman, having Hawkman do all this like behind the

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>scenes like Scooby Doo shit of like you're posting fasci

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>fascist videos on sock pupons to then get reboosted by

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 2>d Santa's campaign like it's it's all. It's all very

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>like dark but like comical, like it's it's silly, like uh,

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 2>similar to the Descentus video we talked about in the

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Last Adventures in fash d episode. This video it was

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<v Speaker 2>not meant to like convince older Trump supporters to vote

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>for dissenttis right, like that that's not the intention of

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>posting this video.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this new video drives they are first off, going

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>for the zoomer vote always a mixed bag.

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:26.479
<v Speaker 2>An.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anytime you're going for the youth vote, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like famously a difficult thing. It kind of sometimes works

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>for the dims because the youth tend to be pretty

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>progressive and the Republicans are terrifying. Yeah, but going for

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the trying to base your campaign as a Republican presidential

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>candidate on the youths is uh quite a move. Yeah,

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Like it's let's see how it pays off for him gotten.

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because like this new video is almost more chronically

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>online than the last one. Like, not even considering the

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Nazi imagery, it's it's heavy use of BoJack memes is

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>just like cartoonish to the median voter. What this video

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>is trying to do is signal to self describe fascists

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 2>that Dysantis is their guy, and trying extremely desperately to

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>create another like meme magic moment like we had in

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, to recruit a slew of teenage Nazis to

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 2>try and meme another based president into office, which isn't

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna work this time around, because it's not twenty sixteen anymore.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Like we we've we've already been We've already been inoculated

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 2>to some degree to this, to this style of of

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>campaign tactics, all of all of the all the people,

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and like like four chan isn't the thing that it

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>used to be. It is it is, it is a

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 2>shell of its of its former self. But like what

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>we have here on like the DeSantis side is like

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of hiring people like cockmen, right, these are

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>like seasoned gropers who grew up and are now like

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>getting into their twenties. Uh, you know, they're taking jobs

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 2>at National Review and as and as campaign staffers. But

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>due to their isolated, niche political upbringing, they have deluded

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 2>themselves into thinking that there's like a mythical far right

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 2>youth voting block that just like quite simply doesn't exist.

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 2>So you can spend all day making and retweeting these

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>meme heavy videos with Nazi imagery that really only succeed

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>in turning off the reliable boomer Republican voters. Now, like

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a few other you know, future scenarios here. If

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 2>these if these like up and coming gropers continue to

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>like grow up, polish their act, take more jobs as

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>staffers or on Capitol Hill, and like slowly grow in

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 2>numbers as they learn to like hide their power level

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 2>like hea like hide their amount of racism. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>might have a problem if they like actually like put

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<v Speaker 2>like intentionality into a long term strategy to like put

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>more of these young freaks into positions in Washington. But

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 2>we're simply not there yet. Like in the case of Hawkman,

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of just like he blew up the spot

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>right like he went like he went too hard, too fast,

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>and then he got fired because they don't want that shit.

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the olds are going to watch this and go like,

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is this? This does not look serious,

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>This is not speaking to my issues. This is just

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>like off putting in strange, and most young people are like, oh,

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>it's some brain poisoned four channer. That's who this guy

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>is running as the four chan candidate. Yep, all right now.

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Like so the other fear is that they'll shift from

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>like this electoral focus and try to just use this

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>type of video propaganda to initiate another wave of like

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Nazi mass shootings, like in twenty eighteen the halo effect

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 2>around DeSantis's head is certainly cause for concern, but there's

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other factors that go into that sort

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>of thing, and that is kind of just more of

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>like an ever present fear that anti fascists have, and

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, people do a lot of work into trying

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>to catch these guys before they actually do mass shootings

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and try to try to isolate the spread of this

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 2>style of propaganda for that very reason. So yeah, I mean,

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>it's it's certainly an interesting trajectory. When I started, like

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>finishing this episode earlier today, I had no idea that

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Hawkman was going to get fired, had no idea that

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 2>it was going to be confirmed that Hawkman was the

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>one making making these videos. So that's kind of some

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>breaking news on our side. It's it's been a few days.

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 2>If you're if you're listening to this, at the end

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>of the week, I'm going to read out one tweet

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<v Speaker 2>from this guy a double doink you, who is a stupid,

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 2>stupid handle no offense, but he made a made a

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.760
<v Speaker 2>made a made a pretty good point here I quote.

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<v Speaker 2>I think DeSantis's real problem isn't just that he's racist,

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>it's that his campaign is racist in the same way

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 2>a really annoying teenager is your average xenophobic suburbanite dad

0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 2>looks at a son and rad Wojack ad like his

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>son crashed his car. A lot of people are arguing

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 2>that your average fifty six year old Trump supporter isn't

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 2>as racist as your average DeSantis supporting zoomer. But that's

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 2>not the point. Putting weird blood and soil shit in

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>your ads smells it's deeply uncool to the exact people

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that you want to impress unquote, and I'll add it's

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 2>it's it's deeply uncool to the exact people you want

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 2>to impress if you want to win at being president

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>and like are trying to move over Trump voters. It's

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>just it's just it's just not going to play. So

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 2>this is this is the state of the d Santa's campaign.

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Now they've they've shed almost forty people from their staff.

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>The guy that was supposed to lead their television ads

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 2>has left. They seemingly just have no idea what the

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>fuck to do. They they tried to have this guy

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 2>do this like backdoor Nazi video sock puppet strategy that

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>has also resulted in not very good things for this

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:02.439
<v Speaker 2>for the Desanta's campaign. So I guess we'll we'll see

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>how their how their campaign develops, if they if they

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 2>continue this is sort of like fash wave rhetoric and style.

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I kind of doubt it now that now that now

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>that Hawkman is out. But yeah, it's been a certainly

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>certainly an interesting interesting few months here or a few

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>weeks here rather in terms of in fashwave videos resurfacing

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>again for the first time in quite a while. In

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 2>terms of like mainstream of political use.

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm kind of suspecting that this might be the

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 1>death knell of that as a at least for a spell,

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>as a as a relevant form of propaganda.

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's been in some ways like

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.280
<v Speaker 2>internally rejected at the Disanta's campaign, and he is arguably

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 2>the most fascist mainstream candidate that they that we like

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>have right now.

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Nothing puts a stink on stuff like this like failure, right,

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, these guys, these guys are not anarchists, and

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the anarchs are we nearly always lose. So there's this

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>like because things fail, you know that, Like there's a

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of Spanish Civil War, you know, iconography and stuff,

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>that's still very relevant on that chunk of the left,

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>But with the right, it is all about power, and

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>when something like this fails, when it actually weakens a campaign,

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>when it weakens the insurgent right, when it makes them

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 1>less able to exert power. Yeah, I kind of feel

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 1>like we may have seen the last of this as

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 1>a thing that matters, right.

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll definitely be watching these next few months. But

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that's that's definitely a very a very fair

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>assessment at this point. Lastly, I just want to clarify

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 2>one thing about our last episode due to some viewer feedback.

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 2>So last time we were talking about how the Biden

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 2>administration's use of dark branded memes had like inadvertently led

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 2>to Fast way of taking a big body blow. Now,

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I think some people misinterpreted our discussion as downplaying and

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 2>fascists and leftists attempt to disrupt Dark Mega and fash

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>wave in general by like proliferating the satirical dark branded memes.

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 2>So in the episode, we talked about the methodology behind this,

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 2>this this strategy of like normies seizing onto memes and aesthetics,

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 2>thus making them cringe and unattractive to the niche groups.

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 2>That they that that once enjoyed using them with Dark Brand,

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>and there were certainly an attempt from anti fascists and

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>leftist posters to appropriate fash waves aesthetics with the hope

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that if spread widely enough, it would disarm some of

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 2>fashwaves more dangerous and inspirational aspects. But you can't really

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 2>force mainstream like virality. This kind of thing works best

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>when it appears natural, and for the majority of dark

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 2>branded posters, they were just doing this shit for like

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 2>shits and giggles like that. That was the primary factor,

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>is that it was funny, and no effort to damage

0:38:56.280 --> 0:39:01.720
<v Speaker 2>fash waves legibility would really be successful without mainstream liberal spread.

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>A small group of leftists could mean like eternally, but

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 2>until it breaks through that bubble, it would have little

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 2>to no effect. Now, because of how Twitter's algorithm worked

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 2>during the summer of last year, after a few months,

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Dark Branded did in fact break through to the liberal mainstream.

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>But I've seen nothing to suggest that the White House

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 2>staff had any intention of trying to damage fash Wave's

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>legibility by sharing laser I memes in August to twenty

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty two.

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I think the key here is that you were not

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>saying this was purely the result of liberals accidentally like

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 1>jumping on to this, but that the primary like success

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<v Speaker 1>was achieved. Like, the part of the success that was

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<v Speaker 1>achieved as a result of this going like mainstream among

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<v Speaker 1>Biden supporters was accidental. Yeah, it was the part that

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<v Speaker 1>was key, not saying that the people who recognize this

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<v Speaker 1>and we're putting in the background work to try to

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<v Speaker 1>push this stuff and make it, you know, eventually go viral.

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<v Speaker 1>That was certainly not accidental.

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<v Speaker 2>But correct.

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<v Speaker 1>The part that the liberals played was an accidental part

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<v Speaker 1>in killing this.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the point, yes, Because what I mean by

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<v Speaker 2>accidental is that when Dark Brandon started in March of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, there was no way to guarantee that

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<v Speaker 2>four months later the white and like the White House

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<v Speaker 2>and Blue Wave liberals would be sharing these memes on

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<v Speaker 2>mass Like I remember conversations I had like last August

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<v Speaker 2>when liberals were seemingly like ruining the funny dark branded memes.

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<v Speaker 2>But like me, like myself and research colleagues during this time,

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<v Speaker 2>like that was when we realized that if, like, if

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<v Speaker 2>liberals keep sharing these cringy memes, we might actually have

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<v Speaker 2>a shot at killing off a fash wave. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this was to not discount the efforts at anti fascists

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<v Speaker 2>or others who pioneered the spread of Dark Brandon and

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<v Speaker 2>their attempts to insert it into greater public consciousness. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think to frame this as like a meticulously planned

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<v Speaker 2>siop from the very start is also kind of inaccurate,

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<v Speaker 2>in like a very like spotlight like this was. This

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<v Speaker 2>was a collaborative effort with the with the liberals not

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<v Speaker 2>realizing the degree that their collaboration played in this larger

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<v Speaker 2>game of trying to disarm fascist aesthetics and like meme styles.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's one one clarifying note as we hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>wrap up this dysantis fashwave sega for the time being,

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<v Speaker 2>because I definitely did not plan on making this episode

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<v Speaker 2>when I finished recording last week with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are cool all right, that's the episode.

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