1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Ah, it could happen here. A podcast that is right 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: now happening in your year. It could happen a year. 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: That's what we should call it, Garrison. We're changing the name. 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: We're rebranding our valuable valuable titles, uh, completely moving, moving 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: overnight to a whole new thing based on a whim you. 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Know, gambitzer. 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, this is a This has been a fun week. 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: We're all laughing a little bit at Elon Musk, but 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: we have something serious to talk about today, and that 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: is everybody's favorite fascist governor, Ron DeSantis. Garrison, you and 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: I spent just way too much time last week talking 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: about meetball Ron, and now now we're back. Now we're 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: back to because he keeps meatballing meetball ron Is ballin 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: and meeting. 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. So we wrapped up like a like a two 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: part episode on Ron Desanis's use of Fashi rave asthetics, 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: and then like two days later, the funniest thing happened, 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: uh where he just decided to basically basically post Son 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: and Rads. So we're gonna we're gonna get to that. 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: But first there's a whole bunch of other information that's 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: come out these these past like really three days that 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: have kind of that are actually giving more context to 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: what's going on at the Dasantas campaign because stuff doesn't 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: look too good. Actually, you know, he he kind of 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: looks like he's losing everything as he slowly watches it 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: all crumble. So let's see. Let's let's start by talking 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: about everyone's favorite topic, campaign finances. I know this is 28 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: what what everyone tunes in to listen to. 29 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: Yes, we love campaign finances. 30 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, so last week the public finally got a glimpse 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: at DeSantis's campaign finances. The financial disclosures that DeSantis had 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: about twice as much staff as Donald Trump and as 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: of last week. 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Garrison, you just said that, and I imagine in 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: my head for a second that you were referring to 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: the amount of staff infections he's had versus Donald Trump. 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: That's not true. No, Trump's definitely had more staff. 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: There's almost no way, Yeah, that Trump is not leading 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: in the staff infections category. Please, I'm sorry to interrupt. 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: But as of last week, the Florida governor had already 41 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 2: spent about forty percent of the twenty million dollars fundraised 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: from April to June of twenty twenty three. So the 43 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: campaign's suspending rate was averaging more than two hundred and 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: twelve thousand dollars per day, which is an astronomical cost 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: for a campaign for someone like running for president, basically 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: for the first. 47 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Time this far out too from the season proper hit. 48 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely absurd. The inflated number of staff have 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: use of private jets and luxury event venues has his 50 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: campaign essentially just burning through cash and with very little 51 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: seeming to come of it in terms of positive poll numbers. 52 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: So another thing that they've. 53 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: Gained maybe a point or so on Trump over the 54 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: last year. 55 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, after spending two hundred thousand dollars per day for 56 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: the past like four months. Another thing that these financial 57 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: disclosures exposed is DeSantis's heavy dependence on high contributors. So 58 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: just about fifteen percent of fundraising contributions came from donors 59 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: who gave less than two hundred dollars, and the vast, 60 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: vast majority of DeSantis's money has come from donors who 61 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: gave the legal maximum of three thy three hundred dollars 62 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: in the primary, which also means that those who gave 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: that can cannot contribute any more money either. So he's 64 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: running out of people that are actually able to fund 65 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: his operation. 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's worth noting he does have a super pack. 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: You are not limited in how much you can donate 68 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: to a super pack, but super packs cannot spend money 69 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: on the same things as general campaign funds, right, Like, 70 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: there are limitations in what you can use that on. 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: So this is actually a logistical problem for him that 72 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: he has maxed out his donor base. 73 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and The New York Times has reported that future 74 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 2: like large prospective donors have been spooked by DeSantis's sliding 75 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 2: poll numbers, and they may be less willing to invest 76 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: in what's looking like a losing battle. So to combat 77 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: these swelling campaign expenses, including two hundred and seventy nine 78 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: thousand dollars at the four seasons in Miami, DeSantis's Tallahassee 79 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: based campaign has began undercoing massive cuts to campaign staff 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: this past week. Previously, Desanta's had upwards of ninety people 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: on payroll, but just this month they've eliminated thirty eight 82 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: jobs in a variety of departments, cutting more than one 83 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: third of his payroll. DeSantis's cutbacks are nearly quill to 84 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: the size of Trump's entire twenty twenty four campaign staff. 85 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: Dessentis's campaign manager, Grenera Peck said in a statement, I 86 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: believe late last week quote, following a top to bottom 87 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: review of our organization, we have taken additional aggressive steps 88 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: to streamline operations and put Ron DeSantis in the strongest 89 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: position to win this primary and defeat Joe Biden. So 90 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: that that was their little statement accompanying the news of 91 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: firing almost forty people from their campaign. According to The 92 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: New York Times, advertisers are quote promising to reorient the 93 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: DeSantis candidacy as a quote unquote insurgent run and remake 94 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: it into a quote unquote leaner, meaner operation. So this 95 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: is the new strategy that they're trying to do, is 96 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: instead of having ninety people on staff in a largely 97 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: ineffectual strategy, have a more insurgent run with a smaller 98 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: number of people. But in addition to the dozens of 99 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 2: staff members who've been let go this July, two senior 100 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: advisors have also departed this month to work for an 101 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: outside pro DeSantis nonprofit. One of these senior advisors, who 102 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: was supposed to oversee the campaign's television messaging, voluntarily left 103 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: quote as the reality of a disappearing advertising budget set in. 104 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: So these these two more more kind of seasoned Republican 105 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: advisors saw what was happening in the campaign, and they're 106 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: still pro DeSantis, but they believe they can be more 107 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: effective by working from outside of the actual campaign. That's 108 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: so funny, which is not a great sign for DeSantis's 109 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: internal internal team here if you have people like who 110 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: still like you, but they just can't work for you 111 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: because you're doing such a bad job. So Desatus's team 112 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: is now telegraphing a plan to engage with mainstream media 113 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: that in the way that they have not previously done 114 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: because they've he's so far kind of scornfully avoided it, 115 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: as we've talked about obviously. And they're calling this new 116 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: strategy the Dysantis is Everywhere approach, which is a good 117 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ bad name for strategy. 118 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: The part of the problem, Garrison, I don't know how 119 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: to like I can't like prove this the way that 120 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: we prove, you know, when we're when we're tracing back 121 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: the ideological roots of like a lot of our modern fascists. 122 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: But what I what I believe in my heart is 123 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: that so many of these very young people on the 124 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: extreme right who are who are driving this campaign like 125 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: just want to be villains from a bad late nineties 126 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: early two thousands movie. They want to be they want 127 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: to be the bad guy in like the fucking supervill 128 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: hero movie, right Like that that's you don't You don't 129 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: say that about a guy who's good like this, You 130 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't like the Biden campaign if they came to Joe 131 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: and we're like, we want to do a Biden is 132 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: everywhere thing, he'd be like, now that sounds kind of creepy. 133 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: Guys Like I already got a little bit of a 134 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: problem with that, what with a hair sniff, and I 135 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: don't really want to really want to jump on. 136 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: That, right you know, Like it definitely has the vibes 137 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: of like zoomers who grew up watching like late nineties 138 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: animated superhero cartoons who are trying to like it. Yes, 139 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: we're trying to emulate that for some reason. There is 140 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: one one really funny quote from the Times that I 141 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: will read because it quotes like internal sources that that 142 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: I don't have access to, but anyway, quote one person 143 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: close to mister DeSantis, who requested anonymity to speak candidly 144 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: about a candidate whom the person still supports, said the 145 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: governor had experienced quote unquote a challenging learning curve that 146 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: has left him quote unquote a little bit jarred. 147 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: So it doesn't sound like a six year old who's 148 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: like not quite progressing fast enough in the reading where 149 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: they're like, maybe we need to try teaching him another way, 150 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: like we'll get out the different colored books. 151 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, so he seems to have a rough adjustment 152 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: period to campaigning in just more than one state and 153 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: having an actual like opponent to go up against, and 154 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: also like an opponent who's like actually a good who's 155 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: like good at being like a politician. Yeah. So yeah, 156 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: a challenging learning curve. 157 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: Indeed, I might I might specify, I think actually DeSantis 158 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: is a lot better as being a politician than Donald Trump, 159 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: but that's not what the competition is. 160 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, DeSantis is better at being like an effective like governor. Uh, 161 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: he's better. 162 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: He's better at the machinery of politics, yes, whereas Trump 163 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,599 Speaker 1: is better at holding power within the GOP. 164 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and being like a showman. So we will we 165 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: will talk more about some uh some actually relatively breaking 166 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: news regarding the DeSantis campaign. 167 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Shortly cited for this. I just saw this before we 168 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: got on. 169 00:09:52,160 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: Short shortly after this at break. Okay, we are we 170 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: are back. So a lot has happened in the past 171 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: two days, a lot has happened in the past two hours actually, 172 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: but we're We're gonna have to work our way there. 173 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: The first bit of news that was kind of both 174 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 2: it was both confirming my suspicions and in very a 175 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: very interesting piece of news in the first place, is 176 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: that that fast Wave inspired kind of homophobic Pride Month 177 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: video that we talked about in our last Dysantis fash 178 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: Wave episode. It turns out to be slightly more self 179 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: inflicted than what than what at least I said in 180 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: the episode, because I didn't want to make claims that 181 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: I couldn't back up. Because we have we have some 182 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: new new information regarding this video, I'm gonna I'm gonna 183 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: quote from this this article in the Times quote a 184 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: DeSantis campaign had originally produced the video internally, passing it 185 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: off to an outside supporter to post it first and 186 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: making it appear as if it was generated independently, according 187 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: to a person with knowledge of the incident, So this 188 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: video turned out to be actually be made in house. 189 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: This actually was made by someone who was working for 190 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: Rondasantis as we speculated it initially, but we couldn't really 191 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: like say for sure because it was it was posted 192 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: first on a third party account. 193 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: Specifically, the guy who was the one who shared it 194 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: is the dude who made it. 195 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: No, that is for this next video we're going to 196 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: talk about. Yeah, the the homophobic one was shared by 197 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: this this this Protosantas account called Proud Elephant, who had 198 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: a corresponding telegram channel. This was the guy who posted 199 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: the first homophobic mean one. But yeah, so we found 200 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: out Sunday night that it was actually made by someone 201 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: at the DeSantis campaign, which kind of just to find 202 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: a lot of our suspicions about DeSantis employing staff of 203 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: zoomers who don't actually understand how to win a political 204 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: election and are more interested in just creating fascist memes, 205 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: which is seems to be not a very effective strategy 206 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: for DeSantis so far. So again, just the day that 207 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: this news broke that that the video was actually made 208 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: in house, another fash wave of inspired video, but with 209 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: much much more overt Nazi imagery, was shared online by 210 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: a Dysantis campaign staffer. I'm Robert. Have you seen this video? 211 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, so I'm the son in rad video. 212 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: Yes, So we don't have to watch it here, but 213 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: I will I will give a description of it for 214 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: for the people listening, because also we should probably souldn't 215 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: be sharing these things like everywhere on on like Twitter 216 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: and stuff anyway, Like it's not it's not a great idea, but. 217 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: It's not going to make you happier help you in 218 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: any way. To see this, it's just like it's surprising. 219 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: I will say that I was surprised to see how 220 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: fascy it was, to see how like explicitly accelerationist mass 221 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: shooter fascy it was. Yes, this is like christ Church 222 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: kind of Yes. 223 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're not gonna share it, but but it 224 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: is useful to know what's in it. So I did 225 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: write a pretty in depth description of this video here. 226 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: So this video was posted on Sunday, July twenty third. 227 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: It's about seventy seconds long. It plays over a Meg 228 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: Myers cover of the song Running Up the Hill. 229 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: Which was made you know recent Wait, isn't that the 230 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: one that was the one that the new season of 231 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: Stranger Things? A while back like it brought back to. 232 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: The main Possibly it's it is it is a Kate 233 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: Bush original. This one is is a more like electronic 234 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: cover of the song. Yes, it's talking about like you know, 235 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: like a like a trying to like ask God to 236 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 2: help you with certain things. Blah blah bla blah blah 237 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: blah blah. Anyway, it starts with the Doomer wo Jack 238 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: sitting at a computer looking at headlines about the ineffectiveness 239 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: of Trump's border wall, unfulfilled anti immigration policies, and Trump's 240 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: pro COVID vaccine statements. So I guess we should probably 241 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: talk about what a wojack is in case someone is unfamiliar. 242 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: If you've ever spent any amount of time on the Internet, 243 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: you've probably seen memes with kind of crudely drawn like 244 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: human faces and heads. These are called wojack memes. They're 245 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: they're they're very popular in like political spheres. They kind 246 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: of kind of rose to prominence on four Chat and 247 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: spread spread out from there. Everyone kind of uses them nowadays. 248 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: They're pretty common, but there's a few specific like wojack characters, 249 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: like the chad is one. One of the more popular 250 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: ones is the Doomer wojack, which is someone who's taken 251 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: the black pill, so to speak. They've they've they've looked 252 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: at modern society and have decided that it's not worth 253 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: engaging in. Now there's this. There's doomers on the right. 254 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: There's dumers on the left. There's doomers who look at 255 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: like climate change and the acceleration of like of of 256 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: capitalism and just decide, hey, this is this is too 257 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: far gone. So they become a doomer, and they're on 258 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: the left. There's also duomers on the right who are 259 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: like looking at gay marriage and the acceptance of trans 260 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: people to being like, oh, this is so socially degenerate. 261 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: It's the society's too far gone, and then they become 262 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: a doomer. But they're on the right. So it's it. 263 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: It happens on It happens on both sides, and both 264 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: both sides use doomer memes. Uh yeah, this one is 265 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: because we're talking about it in this context of fash wave. 266 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: This is obviously a fascist doomer meme. But that's that's 267 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: kind of what I mean when I say there's there's 268 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: a doomer wojack sitting sitting at a computer. It's like 269 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: it's like a guy with a beanie, like a scruffy beard. 270 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: He looks like very depressed and tired, that sort of thing. 271 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: So as as these kind of headlines about Trump's not 272 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: conservative enoughness are flashing on this computer, the dumer rojack 273 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: is looking increasing lead disillusioned and apathetic. Then there's the 274 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: clip of Trump holding up a Pride flag that plays 275 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: right before we see Trump signing the First Step Act, 276 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen Criminal Justice Reform Bill. Then headlines flash 277 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: about violent criminals being released into the streets, that sort 278 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: of thing. So the doumer BoJack is looking at all 279 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: these things about Trump looking more and more depressed, when 280 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: suddenly a doorway appears with an almost angelic light pouring 281 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: in from behind, and as the door opens, we see 282 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: a silhouette of Ron DeSantis. More short clips of Ron play, 283 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: and now the wojack is looking happy, almost like exuberant, 284 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: seemingly kind of random images of outer space, volcanoes, rocket launches, surfing, 285 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: and the beach flash quickly on screen with with like 286 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: glitchy silhouettes of Ronda Santis looming above coastal ocean side 287 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: cities that are lit up by a sunset. A don't 288 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: tread on Florida Alligator flag spins onto screen like it's 289 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: a fucking like ms paint like edit and h. Then 290 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: the the video flashes more clips of DeSantis wearing sunglasses 291 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: standing in front of American flags as the sunset, Happy 292 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: Woejack fades in. So this is another woshack meme of 293 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: somebody almost like tearied eyed with like contentment, staring into 294 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: the horizon as like a sunset is behind their head. 295 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: It kind of it kind of reminds me of like 296 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: the that guy who who stole that plane in Seattle 297 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: and yeah. 298 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, very sad story if you're not aware of it. 299 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: A man hijacked I believe it was an Alaska Airs 300 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: flight a couple of years back. It was empty, like 301 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: he he worked at the airport. He just took the 302 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: plane and he got up into the sky and then 303 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: like he was just kind of a dude who was 304 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: sort of suicidal. There's very sad audio of him talking too, 305 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: because he gets on with air traffic control and he 306 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: makes sure that he's not going to hurt anyone else 307 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: and like then the plane goes down, you know, he 308 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: goes down in it and it's it's very bleak. He 309 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: was not a man who wanted to hurt anybody. It's 310 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: just this kind of like exist I've heard. I found 311 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: it set to a lot of vapor wave tracks. Actually, 312 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: like the audio the conversation between them, because he's kind 313 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: of I think a lot of people identify with his 314 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: sense of like I don't really know why I was 315 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: ever here. I don't really know. 316 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's someone who's dealing with like postmodern absurdity, but 317 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: in a way that like he doesn't want to hurt 318 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: anybody about it, but he just doesn't know what to 319 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: do with existence. 320 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had part of he had like the the 321 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: ten percent of what a mass shooter has, which is 322 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: exactly go out and I want to do something. But 323 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: thankfully he was also a good person and didn't want 324 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: to like murder strangers. 325 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: So this became very popular on the Internet, including on 326 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: redda and four Chan. This he was he was dubbed 327 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: sky King, and there's there's footage of him basically crashing 328 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: this plane as the sun is setting, and there's there's 329 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 2: fut of which like him flying around in sunset. Played 330 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: often played with vapor wave with his conversation with attackt 331 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: for control. Now this is very popular. The sunset happy 332 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: Rojack is very similar. I've seen people post this image 333 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: in threads about sky King before, and I think a 334 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 2: lot a lot of people to understand it's like this 335 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: this act that this this skyking thing, that this has 336 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: more in common with like accelerationist like terrorism than what 337 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: most people can like really understand about like between like 338 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 2: shooting a random person for like violent crime and this 339 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: like this, this is more this, This is closer to 340 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: why people do accelerationist like terroristic acts. But this guy 341 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: was like not actually a monster, so he didn't do that. 342 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: He like explicitly didn't want to hurt anybody. He explicitly 343 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: didn't want to try to land the plane at the 344 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: airport because he thought he might hurt somebody. 345 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and presumably since he worked at an airport, he 346 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: had some knowledge of how easily that could go wrong. 347 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this anyway, these two images are kind of 348 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: linked often on the Internet. So anyway, we we we 349 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: see we see the video getting like more hopeful with 350 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 2: with with Ron de Santis, you know, having stupid fash wave, 351 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: having stupid fash wave imagery. Is this sunset happy Wojack 352 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: fades in as like as the doomer is now has 353 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: like contentment, and then this this, then this is followed 354 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: by very quick flashes of DeSantis and more more, more 355 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: beach imagery. There's a lot of beach in this video. Yeah, 356 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: there's like this like rotating sheet of stickers that read 357 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: make America Florida. Then we get this shot of a 358 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: small yacht zooming through the water with DeSantis campaign events 359 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: played over top of the water. And during this shot 360 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: we have another Wojack holding a rifle, wearing Camo military 361 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: fatigues that slides onto screen. He has a patch of 362 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 2: the flag of Florida on his plate carrier and his helmet. 363 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: We get more shots of beachfront cities and rocket launches, 364 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: followed by headlines about Dysantis on a variety of topics, 365 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: including his anti immigration actions, his use of Florida's National 366 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: Guard in other states, DeSantis's anti diversity initiatives, his anti 367 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: education bills, his anti drag bills, the cancelation of pride 368 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 2: parades in Florida, and in general just kind of how 369 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: DeSantis has been pushing Florida further right. So, after this 370 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: barrage of headlines. We get to the most mask off 371 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: from a moment of the video. The flag of Florida 372 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: fills the screen with two lines of armed troops at 373 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: either side marching towards the flag. A still photo of 374 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: Dysantis is center frame, with his head right in the 375 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 2: middle of the seal of Florida, which is on the 376 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: center of their state flag. The head in front of 377 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: the seal creates this almost like halo effect around Dusantas's head, 378 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: and then the seal turns into a spinning son and 379 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: Rad as we zoom into the symbol as troops march 380 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: into center, and then the video ends. The Sun and 381 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: Rad is on screen for about ten seconds. So this 382 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: was a pretty upsetting thing to see on Twitter. 383 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: Yes, upsetting is one way to phrase it. Yeah, and again. 384 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: The Sun and Rad has a long history. It's kind 385 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: of a specifically a cultic version of the swastika it reached. 386 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: It has been around for quite a while, but it's 387 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: most recent. The kind of thing that brought it into 388 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: modern prominence was the christ Church shooter chose it as 389 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: the cover of his manifesto and also wore a Son 390 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: and Rad. I believe it was on the chest of 391 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: his plate carrier. When he carried out his massacre. He 392 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: also had a couple on his gun. 393 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, so it's very clearly Nazi symbol. I 394 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: know there's some people make jokes about how this must 395 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: have just been an Azov battalion reference. Deeply unserious. 396 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: No, you can see some of these on Azam again, 397 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: this is a Nazi thing. They wear this too. Yes, 398 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: Azof uses it. 399 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 2: There's people trying to excuse the use of the sun 400 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: and rad by saying, oh, it's justin Azof simple it's 401 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: not a Hoatzia thing is bad, which is a deeply 402 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: unserious thing to say. So, yeah, this video was shared 403 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: by at least one campaign staffer. It's a very short video, 404 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: but it plays into a strain of like accelerationist propaganda 405 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 2: tropes that even the previous Fashionay video didn't didn't even 406 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: really have in many of the same ways, like like 407 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: all of all of like the dooomer Wojack slowly becoming 408 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: like happy and content than putting on military fatigues to 409 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 2: go fight for Ron Decantis, who's now in the center 410 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: of like a haloed sun and rad like it's it's 411 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: it is emulating a type of meme that both gained 412 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 2: popular in order to specifically like inspire mass shootings to happen, 413 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: and also to like to get young depressed male to 414 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: channel their depression into like fascism. It has a whole 415 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: bunch of tropes like it's it's it's really just like 416 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: playing by the playbook. So the video was first posted 417 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: on the Twitter account ron DeSantis fancams, which is a 418 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: horrible sentence. Yeah, the account is a few months old, 419 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: but its visible posts only go back to June. They 420 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: post a lot of videos, all in a very similar style, 421 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: which leads you to believe that whoever operates the account 422 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: must be making the videos themselves. One video from the 423 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: account plays clips of people describing Dasantis as fascist, edited 424 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: together with clips of DeSantis deploying National Guard and calling 425 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: for civilian state military force under his control, all sliced 426 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: together next to footage of Nazis and Mussolini played over 427 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: an upbeat to EDM track. So it's all like explicitly 428 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: fascist stuff like like like it's people like rev like 429 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: it's like uh, proud proudly embracing the fascist label. So 430 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: this style of video is almost identical to the homophobic 431 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: pride Mones video that we discussed last week, and considering 432 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: the recent news that the other video shared by the 433 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: dasantas Warm account was secretly made by a campaign staffer, 434 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: that led myself and others to assume that this Saun 435 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: and Red video was most likely made by the same 436 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: person inside DeSantis's campaign and was operating this DeSantis Fancam 437 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: account as a sock puppet. But you know, I could 438 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: not prove this myself, really, I it's just it's it's 439 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: a it's a hard thing to kind of backtrack this. 440 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: This account was pretty clean in terms of like I 441 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: tried to, like, you know, do do pretty pretty basic 442 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: osen on this account, but it's it was, it was 443 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: I could not find out much about it. But uh. 444 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: The the campaign staff member that first shared this saun 445 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: and Red video to his own Twitter account was former 446 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: National Review writer Nate Hawkman. We will we will talk 447 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: about Nate Hawkman's exploits shortly shortly after this this hat break. 448 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 2: All right, we are back and in a much better 449 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 2: position currently than twenty five year old Nate Hawkman. 450 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Yes, so really was a tragically was a promising career. 451 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: You know what, Let's give them another chance, Garrison, reach 452 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: out to Nate. We can bring him on the team, 453 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, have him start making some videos for us. 454 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll I'll build an invoice to Nate Hawkman's address. Yeah, 455 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 2: I'll see where he lives. So, twenty five year old 456 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: Nate Hawkman has been working as a speech writer for 457 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: de Santis's campaign after rising to prominence among young conservatives 458 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: for his online references and willingness to entertain ideas outside 459 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 2: the Overton window. Uh. Hawkman hosted a Twitter space late 460 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: last year centered around the question of if white supremacists 461 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 2: like a Nick Fuentes should have a place in the 462 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: modern conservative movement. Funtes himself appeared in the Twitter space, 463 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: and Hawkman thanked him for radicalizing children by saying, quote, 464 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: You've gotten a lot of kids based and we respect 465 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: you for that. And he also said that Fuentes quote 466 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: is probably a better influence than Ben Shapiro on young 467 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 2: men who might otherwise be conservative unquote. So Hawkman has 468 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: retweeted the Dysantis fancam account at least six times before 469 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: he shared this Son and Rata video this past Sunday, 470 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: But he's not the only Dysantis linked account to share 471 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: these videos. The campaign's war room Twitter account and the 472 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: pro DeSantis Never Back Down super pac have also shared 473 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: video from this Rondissantis fancam Twitter account. By using this 474 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: fancam account to post videos and then by retweeting on 475 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: Nate's account, someone was certainly testing the waters to see 476 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 2: how close the Dysantas campaign can get to like just 477 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: doing explicit Nazi shit, and considering the New York Times, 478 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: who Hawkman has written for, by the way, basically confirming 479 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: that the person who made the Pride Month video was 480 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: secretly employed by Dysantis and posted the a third party 481 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: to get some distance from the official campaign. This led 482 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: many to suspect that Hawkman was secretly the person behind 483 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: this fancam account due to the similarities in video styles 484 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: and his frequent boosting of the account. The sun and 485 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: Ride video was deleted the same day was posted, and 486 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: the fancam account has not posted since then. But then suddenly, 487 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: just a few hours ago as of time of recording, 488 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: news dropped that Nick Hachman has been fired from the 489 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: Dasantis campaign, and the sources at Axiom confirmed that he 490 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: has in fact secretly been making these Fashway videos. So 491 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: it was it was Hawkman on all along. This is 492 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: what happens when you hire a twenty five year old 493 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: gropewer to work on your to work on your presidential bid, your. 494 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: Very serious presidential campaign. 495 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah so uh. The Dessentant's campaign officially has only said 496 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: a few words on the subject, quote, Nate Hawkman is 497 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: no longer with the campaign and we will not be 498 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: commenting on him further. 499 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: Not that easy, guys, But other. 500 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: Anonymous sources have confirmed to news outlets that it was 501 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: Hawkman who was making these videos. So this is weird 502 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: because like this hasn't been a great move for DeSantis 503 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: hiring Hawkman, having Hawkman do all this like behind the 504 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: scenes like Scooby Doo shit of like you're posting fasci 505 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 2: fascist videos on sock pupons to then get reboosted by 506 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: d Santa's campaign like it's it's all. It's all very 507 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: like dark but like comical, like it's it's silly, like uh, 508 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: similar to the Descentus video we talked about in the 509 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: Last Adventures in fash d episode. This video it was 510 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: not meant to like convince older Trump supporters to vote 511 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: for dissenttis right, like that that's not the intention of 512 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: posting this video. 513 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: No, this new video drives they are first off, going 514 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: for the zoomer vote always a mixed bag. 515 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 2: An. 516 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime you're going for the youth vote, this is 517 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: like famously a difficult thing. It kind of sometimes works 518 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: for the dims because the youth tend to be pretty 519 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: progressive and the Republicans are terrifying. Yeah, but going for 520 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: the trying to base your campaign as a Republican presidential 521 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: candidate on the youths is uh quite a move. Yeah, 522 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: Like it's let's see how it pays off for him gotten. 523 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because like this new video is almost more chronically 524 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: online than the last one. Like, not even considering the 525 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 2: Nazi imagery, it's it's heavy use of BoJack memes is 526 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: just like cartoonish to the median voter. What this video 527 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: is trying to do is signal to self describe fascists 528 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: that Dysantis is their guy, and trying extremely desperately to 529 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: create another like meme magic moment like we had in 530 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, to recruit a slew of teenage Nazis to 531 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: try and meme another based president into office, which isn't 532 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: gonna work this time around, because it's not twenty sixteen anymore. 533 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: Like we we've we've already been We've already been inoculated 534 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: to some degree to this, to this style of of 535 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: campaign tactics, all of all of the all the people, 536 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: and like like four chan isn't the thing that it 537 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: used to be. It is it is, it is a 538 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: shell of its of its former self. But like what 539 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: we have here on like the DeSantis side is like 540 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 2: in terms of hiring people like cockmen, right, these are 541 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: like seasoned gropers who grew up and are now like 542 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: getting into their twenties. Uh, you know, they're taking jobs 543 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: at National Review and as and as campaign staffers. But 544 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: due to their isolated, niche political upbringing, they have deluded 545 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: themselves into thinking that there's like a mythical far right 546 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: youth voting block that just like quite simply doesn't exist. 547 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: So you can spend all day making and retweeting these 548 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 2: meme heavy videos with Nazi imagery that really only succeed 549 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: in turning off the reliable boomer Republican voters. Now, like 550 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: there's a few other you know, future scenarios here. If 551 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 2: these if these like up and coming gropers continue to 552 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: like grow up, polish their act, take more jobs as 553 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: staffers or on Capitol Hill, and like slowly grow in 554 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: numbers as they learn to like hide their power level 555 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: like hea like hide their amount of racism. Then we 556 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: might have a problem if they like actually like put 557 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: like intentionality into a long term strategy to like put 558 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: more of these young freaks into positions in Washington. But 559 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: we're simply not there yet. Like in the case of Hawkman, 560 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: he kind of just like he blew up the spot 561 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: right like he went like he went too hard, too fast, 562 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 2: and then he got fired because they don't want that shit. 563 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the olds are going to watch this and go like, 564 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: what the fuck is this? This does not look serious, 565 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: This is not speaking to my issues. This is just 566 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: like off putting in strange, and most young people are like, oh, 567 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: it's some brain poisoned four channer. That's who this guy 568 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: is running as the four chan candidate. Yep, all right now. 569 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: Like so the other fear is that they'll shift from 570 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: like this electoral focus and try to just use this 571 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: type of video propaganda to initiate another wave of like 572 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: Nazi mass shootings, like in twenty eighteen the halo effect 573 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: around DeSantis's head is certainly cause for concern, but there's 574 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: a lot of other factors that go into that sort 575 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: of thing, and that is kind of just more of 576 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: like an ever present fear that anti fascists have, and 577 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: you know, people do a lot of work into trying 578 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: to catch these guys before they actually do mass shootings 579 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: and try to try to isolate the spread of this 580 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 2: style of propaganda for that very reason. So yeah, I mean, 581 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: it's it's certainly an interesting trajectory. When I started, like 582 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: finishing this episode earlier today, I had no idea that 583 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: Hawkman was going to get fired, had no idea that 584 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 2: it was going to be confirmed that Hawkman was the 585 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: one making making these videos. So that's kind of some 586 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 2: breaking news on our side. It's it's been a few days. 587 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: If you're if you're listening to this, at the end 588 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: of the week, I'm going to read out one tweet 589 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: from this guy a double doink you, who is a stupid, 590 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: stupid handle no offense, but he made a made a 591 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 2: made a made a pretty good point here I quote. 592 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: I think DeSantis's real problem isn't just that he's racist, 593 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: it's that his campaign is racist in the same way 594 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 2: a really annoying teenager is your average xenophobic suburbanite dad 595 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 2: looks at a son and rad Wojack ad like his 596 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: son crashed his car. A lot of people are arguing 597 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: that your average fifty six year old Trump supporter isn't 598 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 2: as racist as your average DeSantis supporting zoomer. But that's 599 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: not the point. Putting weird blood and soil shit in 600 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: your ads smells it's deeply uncool to the exact people 601 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: that you want to impress unquote, and I'll add it's 602 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: it's it's deeply uncool to the exact people you want 603 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 2: to impress if you want to win at being president 604 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: and like are trying to move over Trump voters. It's 605 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: just it's just it's just not going to play. So 606 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: this is this is the state of the d Santa's campaign. 607 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: Now they've they've shed almost forty people from their staff. 608 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: The guy that was supposed to lead their television ads 609 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: has left. They seemingly just have no idea what the 610 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: fuck to do. They they tried to have this guy 611 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: do this like backdoor Nazi video sock puppet strategy that 612 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 2: has also resulted in not very good things for this 613 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 2: for the Desanta's campaign. So I guess we'll we'll see 614 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: how their how their campaign develops, if they if they 615 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 2: continue this is sort of like fash wave rhetoric and style. 616 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 2: I kind of doubt it now that now that now 617 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 2: that Hawkman is out. But yeah, it's been a certainly 618 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: certainly an interesting interesting few months here or a few 619 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: weeks here rather in terms of in fashwave videos resurfacing 620 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 2: again for the first time in quite a while. In 621 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 2: terms of like mainstream of political use. 622 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of suspecting that this might be the 623 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: death knell of that as a at least for a spell, 624 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: as a as a relevant form of propaganda. 625 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's been in some ways like 626 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 2: internally rejected at the Disanta's campaign, and he is arguably 627 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 2: the most fascist mainstream candidate that they that we like 628 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 2: have right now. 629 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: Nothing puts a stink on stuff like this like failure, right, 630 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, these guys, these guys are not anarchists, and 631 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: the anarchs are we nearly always lose. So there's this 632 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: like because things fail, you know that, Like there's a 633 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: lot of Spanish Civil War, you know, iconography and stuff, 634 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: that's still very relevant on that chunk of the left, 635 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: But with the right, it is all about power, and 636 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: when something like this fails, when it actually weakens a campaign, 637 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: when it weakens the insurgent right, when it makes them 638 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: less able to exert power. Yeah, I kind of feel 639 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: like we may have seen the last of this as 640 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: a thing that matters, right. 641 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll definitely be watching these next few months. But 642 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: I think that's that's definitely a very a very fair 643 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: assessment at this point. Lastly, I just want to clarify 644 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: one thing about our last episode due to some viewer feedback. 645 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 2: So last time we were talking about how the Biden 646 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 2: administration's use of dark branded memes had like inadvertently led 647 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: to Fast way of taking a big body blow. Now, 648 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 2: I think some people misinterpreted our discussion as downplaying and 649 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: fascists and leftists attempt to disrupt Dark Mega and fash 650 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 2: wave in general by like proliferating the satirical dark branded memes. 651 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 2: So in the episode, we talked about the methodology behind this, 652 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: this this strategy of like normies seizing onto memes and aesthetics, 653 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 2: thus making them cringe and unattractive to the niche groups. 654 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 2: That they that that once enjoyed using them with Dark Brand, 655 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 2: and there were certainly an attempt from anti fascists and 656 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: leftist posters to appropriate fash waves aesthetics with the hope 657 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: that if spread widely enough, it would disarm some of 658 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 2: fashwaves more dangerous and inspirational aspects. But you can't really 659 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 2: force mainstream like virality. This kind of thing works best 660 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: when it appears natural, and for the majority of dark 661 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 2: branded posters, they were just doing this shit for like 662 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 2: shits and giggles like that. That was the primary factor, 663 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 2: is that it was funny, and no effort to damage 664 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 2: fash waves legibility would really be successful without mainstream liberal spread. 665 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 2: A small group of leftists could mean like eternally, but 666 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 2: until it breaks through that bubble, it would have little 667 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 2: to no effect. Now, because of how Twitter's algorithm worked 668 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: during the summer of last year, after a few months, 669 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: Dark Branded did in fact break through to the liberal mainstream. 670 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 2: But I've seen nothing to suggest that the White House 671 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 2: staff had any intention of trying to damage fash Wave's 672 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: legibility by sharing laser I memes in August to twenty 673 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 2: twenty two. 674 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: I think the key here is that you were not 675 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: saying this was purely the result of liberals accidentally like 676 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: jumping on to this, but that the primary like success 677 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: was achieved. Like, the part of the success that was 678 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: achieved as a result of this going like mainstream among 679 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: Biden supporters was accidental. Yeah, it was the part that 680 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: was key, not saying that the people who recognize this 681 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: and we're putting in the background work to try to 682 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: push this stuff and make it, you know, eventually go viral. 683 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: That was certainly not accidental. 684 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 2: But correct. 685 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: The part that the liberals played was an accidental part 686 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: in killing this. 687 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 2: That's that's the point, yes, Because what I mean by 688 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 2: accidental is that when Dark Brandon started in March of 689 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, there was no way to guarantee that 690 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 2: four months later the white and like the White House 691 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 2: and Blue Wave liberals would be sharing these memes on 692 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 2: mass Like I remember conversations I had like last August 693 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 2: when liberals were seemingly like ruining the funny dark branded memes. 694 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 2: But like me, like myself and research colleagues during this time, 695 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 2: like that was when we realized that if, like, if 696 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 2: liberals keep sharing these cringy memes, we might actually have 697 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 2: a shot at killing off a fash wave. So yes, 698 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 2: this was to not discount the efforts at anti fascists 699 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 2: or others who pioneered the spread of Dark Brandon and 700 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 2: their attempts to insert it into greater public consciousness. But 701 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 2: I think to frame this as like a meticulously planned 702 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 2: siop from the very start is also kind of inaccurate, 703 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 2: in like a very like spotlight like this was. This 704 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 2: was a collaborative effort with the with the liberals not 705 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 2: realizing the degree that their collaboration played in this larger 706 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 2: game of trying to disarm fascist aesthetics and like meme styles. 707 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's one one clarifying note as we hopefully 708 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 2: wrap up this dysantis fashwave sega for the time being, 709 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 2: because I definitely did not plan on making this episode 710 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 2: when I finished recording last week with you. 711 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: So here we are cool all right, that's the episode. 712 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 2: That's the episode. It could happen here as a production 713 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: of cool Zone Media. 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