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Speaker 1: Welcome into another Jaguars media round table. J P. Shadrick,

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Speaker 1: joined by a couple of special guests. You've heard them,

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Speaker 1: you know them, you love them. Mike Dorocco of ESPN

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Speaker 1: with us today. Him, Ike, what are you giggling about?

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Speaker 1: What you said to Mark before we started? That was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Mark Long from the Associated Press you might have heard

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Speaker 1: of him. He's loud, he has opinions him Mark, I

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Speaker 1: need to get reeled in. Let's not burry lead go,

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Speaker 1: let's go. Doug Morone today after his press conference or

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Speaker 1: during the press conference talking about some criticism from within

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Speaker 1: the organization about how he may have handled players workouts

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Speaker 1: in the off season and not as much stress on

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Speaker 1: the players this year. That was the first time I

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Speaker 1: think we've heard anything like that. Guys, what do you think, Mark, Well,

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Speaker 1: we heard whispers about it for a while now, and

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Speaker 1: you you heard it. You know, it started as one

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Speaker 1: or two people, some mumblings, and it's grown and grown,

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Speaker 1: and you know, losing brings out skeletons, and so all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now they're losing. Lost three in a row,

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Speaker 1: a f C opponents, a f C South opponents, and

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Speaker 1: lopsided embarrassing fashion, and all of a sudden, this stuff

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Speaker 1: starts beyond bubbling. It's now, it's out there. And so

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Speaker 1: I think this was the first public h confirmation that

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Speaker 1: we've had. You've heard it privately, we've heard it, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the hallways, you've heard it, you know rumor. Now

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Speaker 1: we've got public confirmation that there are rumblings within the

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Speaker 1: building that Doug has heard of how he's handled his team.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you can mince it, you can guess

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Speaker 1: whatever you wanna do. I think anybody with half a

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Speaker 1: brain would say, this is Tom Coughlin, who's We all

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Speaker 1: know how rigid he is and how how his stance

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Speaker 1: on how your treat players. I don't think Tom Coughlin

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Speaker 1: agreed with how Doug Moron eased up on these guys

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Speaker 1: Going into the twenty nineteen season. It was very clear

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Speaker 1: the players went to Doug. Doug can seated and said, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's you know, given the injuries from last year, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go easy this year in training camp. And now

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Speaker 1: you're you know, week thirteen. I the question was, I asked, Doug,

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Speaker 1: do you have any regrets about it? Going back? And

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Speaker 1: Mike followed up with you know, asking him specifically about

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Speaker 1: you know, basically who in the organization he wouldn't and

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Speaker 1: a too we knew, we all knew, But tudos to

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Speaker 1: Mike for asking. You gotta try to ask and uh see,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I think Doug's answer to the follow

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Speaker 1: up was, Hey, listen, I'm not gonna sugarcook this. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna hide, I'm not gonna run from it. I

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Speaker 1: said what I said, and I stand by what I said. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: his higher ups, his boss did not agree with how

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Speaker 1: Doug handled uh the the off season and the training camp.

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Speaker 1: So the question is does it come back and bite

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Speaker 1: him in the butt in two weeks, three weeks, five weeks, whatever. Well,

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Speaker 1: and the thing of it is is is Doug never

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Speaker 1: came out and said, yeah, it was Tom Coughlin, but

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Speaker 1: you would did he have to know? I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say if you would think if if if it was

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Speaker 1: a player issue. But look, clearly the players were not

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Speaker 1: happy with the tough approach they took in two thousand seventeen.

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Speaker 1: At the time, remember we talked about that they were

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Speaker 1: complaining in that locker room at the end of training camp.

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Speaker 1: Um and they did love it. In the end and

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Speaker 1: then and they knew coming back in ten that it

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Speaker 1: was probably going to be the same thing. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: the players knew that that was what was going to

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Speaker 1: happened into well, but I don't know, yes, I don't

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Speaker 1: know necessarily that all those injuries were the result of

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Speaker 1: a tough training camp. I think some of it was.

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Speaker 1: I think some of it was bad luck. And I

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Speaker 1: think you know, look Austin Cifari and Jenkins. A groin

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Speaker 1: training camp was tough. I mean, you can't really say,

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Speaker 1: but you clearly did get Mark Easley hurt in the

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Speaker 1: preseason game, you did get right, but but that but

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Speaker 1: the preseason But but Mark Easley wasn't hurt as a

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Speaker 1: result of the tough training camp. He was hurt in

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Speaker 1: a preseason game, the third preseason and game because the

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Speaker 1: guy hit him low and Brandon Linder did a lot

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Speaker 1: of people would say, Okay, but that's not because right, no,

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Speaker 1: it really wasn't. And and and with with Brandon Linder,

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Speaker 1: the bigger issue was Brandon Lender was in the on

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Speaker 1: the first preseason game fire, remember correctly, and someone ran

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Speaker 1: mean the bottom line is, like you said, Mark, when

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Speaker 1: things go badly as they have now, all this stuff

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Speaker 1: kind of bubbles up to the services exactly. And Doug

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Speaker 1: was really, you know he and he's not shot away

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Speaker 1: did in the off season because his thing was, we

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Speaker 1: got to get to the season healthy. We have to

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Speaker 1: season healthy, everything's gonna be. And he did all of

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Speaker 1: that and fALS goes down on the eleventh snap. So

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Speaker 1: it's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't

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Speaker 1: won the last three games, nobody would care at this point,

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Speaker 1: and they have it and it's a problem. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is um the end of

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Speaker 1: Doug Moron's tenure. I think if if the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season doesn't go very well, obviously it probably will be.

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Speaker 1: But we'll have to see how that plays out. But

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Speaker 1: clearly right now there's no um I like to pound on.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine it's quite just like somebody in

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Speaker 1: the press box, the press, the press thing the pound

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Speaker 1: like someone on the press, what do you do? I'm

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Speaker 1: an Italian. I talked my hands. Eric, are we on video?

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Speaker 1: By the way? There? All right, there we go? All right,

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Speaker 1: talk with my hands again? What do you got? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. And I'll just say that when the tackling

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Speaker 1: is an issue, and it's been an issue for four

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Speaker 1: of the last seven games, you can't tackle the wind

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Speaker 1: and you've given up tuner yards rushing, then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden people start going, Okay, did did they do

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Speaker 1: enough in training camp to be a better tackling team?

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Speaker 1: And you know that's you know, I get it, I

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Speaker 1: get and I get where TC would be critical of

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Speaker 1: Doug and this team because he believes in this old

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Speaker 1: school mentality where you grind him into the dirt in

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Speaker 1: training camp to make them better prepared for five and

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Speaker 1: week thirteen. But but hitting more, tackling more in training

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Speaker 1: camp isn't going to keep guys from taking bad angles

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Speaker 1: like trying attack. I mean, they tackled Alvin Kamar pretty well, Joe, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: then you're talking about some awful off tackle. Dabel hasn't

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Speaker 1: been able to run against anybody. Joe Mixon hasn't been

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Speaker 1: around was banged up. And that's the bottom line. And

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Speaker 1: we saw that last year tackling around the shoulder. He

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Speaker 1: was playing Patty. It was not good. It was it

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. It's it's all fundamentals. These

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Speaker 1: guys should know how to tackle by now. That's not

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Speaker 1: an excuse. It's the effort, and their effort is lacking.

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Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with hitting nod Be either.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a whole separation. The first part of

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Speaker 1: this conversation though, I mean, like you're to your point, Mike.

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Speaker 1: If they win the last three games, it's the best deodorant.

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Speaker 1: And this never really comes out right, I mean stuff

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Speaker 1: right now, and they're probably in the hunt in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: in first place and ready to go. Doug Maron is

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Speaker 1: a Coach of the Year candidate. If they win the

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Speaker 1: last three games, there their first place in the division,

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Speaker 1: and you're going, oh my god, Doug Maron kept his

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Speaker 1: team together. They lose Nick Foles in the first quarter

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Speaker 1: of the season open and Doug keeps his team together,

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Speaker 1: they get to five hundred, they bring back Nick Foles,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they're a juggernaut, a team

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Speaker 1: to watch. A sudden, he's uh, you know, likely out

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Speaker 1: of a job. Mark Long Associated Press, Mike Roco, ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles play the last two weeks, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people calling for men show and all this. Um,

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Speaker 1: what's your guys opinion on Folds and the way he's

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Speaker 1: approached things the two weeks coming back into this lineup. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, look, you hate to say this, but those

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Speaker 1: were sort of blake boardle games. The last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Game was close early, not playing particularly well, not playing

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Speaker 1: then garbage yards at the end. To be honest with you, Um,

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Speaker 1: of him. As unfair as the expectation on him was

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Speaker 1: coming back after ten weeks absence, he needed to be

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Speaker 1: lights out. He needed to be lights out to say

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Speaker 1: this season, and he wasn't. Um. I think we were

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Speaker 1: all on social media, we've all seen the vehement disagreement

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Speaker 1: among fans. They're about some of the things that Nick

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Speaker 1: Foles has said after games about building the culture. I

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Speaker 1: he was going there with that about you know, people

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Speaker 1: building a culture twelve thirteen weeks in. But the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is he has to play better. That's they're not

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Speaker 1: going back to Minshew. Dougs already said that he has

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Speaker 1: to play better and he has to play better early,

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Speaker 1: and that's the bottom line with him. But in his head,

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Speaker 1: it's week three, and let's not forget that. In his

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Speaker 1: think still. And he's positive guy by nature, so let's

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Speaker 1: not I don't want to roast him. I thought it

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Speaker 1: don't want to roast him for for being a guy

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Speaker 1: What I will say is how poor as poorly as

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Speaker 1: he's played. I cannot overlook the fact that I was

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Speaker 1: one of the people calling for that. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a slam dunk that they could not stick with Minshew.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think minshe had played very well in three

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Speaker 1: a lot of holes in his game that had started

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Speaker 1: I thought part of that was the guy couldn't see

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Speaker 1: over the offensive line and defensive lineman. And so really

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Speaker 1: not going to go back. I'm not gonna have revisionist

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Speaker 1: Minshew was done. He needed to go back to Folds,

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Speaker 1: and you needed to see me. You invested a lot,

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Speaker 1: you need and you believe in your investment. You need

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Speaker 1: to go see what this is moving forward and see

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Speaker 1: what you have for the rest of the years. So

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Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with them moving to Folds

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Speaker 1: and sticking with Folds. They need to see what they

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Speaker 1: get there, whether it's this regime or the next regime.

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Speaker 1: And if anything, you know, you hope that maybe Folds

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Speaker 1: plays well down the stretch here and that maybe probably

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Speaker 1: buys you sometime, maybe buys you another year. In shot

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Speaker 1: Khan's eyes, in terms of going, okay, you know, now

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Speaker 1: Nick's got the rust off Nick's back, the offense looks good,

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, we can go into and it's all

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Speaker 1: or nothing with Nick Foles. Well you better bubble wrap him.

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Speaker 1: Then you better off. You better get the better. You

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Speaker 1: better get the offensive line fix, because that's to me

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Speaker 1: number one issue. You want to run Leonard for Nett

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