1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: M H. Welcome to Strictly Business Varieties, weekly podcast about 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: the business of media and entertainment. I'm Shirley Halperin, Executive 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: editor of Music, and my guest today is Peter Shapiro, 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: veteran concert promoter, venue owner, magazine publisher, and now author 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: of the just release book The Music Never Stops. What 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: putting on ten thousand shows has taught me about life, liberty, 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: and the pursuit of magic. Although we're based on opposite coast, 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: Pete and I go way back to his days as 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: the twentysomething entrepreneur buying his first club in New York City, 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: The wet Lands, and to my own as an aspiring 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: journalist pounding the pavement while living around the corner from 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: that very club. The Wetlands was a sort of place 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: where fans of the Grateful Dead congregated on any given night, 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: arriving from nearby New Jersey, Long Island and Connecticut to 15 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: see bands like Blues Traveler, Spin, Doctors, God, Street Line, 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: and Mow, among many many others. But it also served 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: as an early showcasing space for all kinds of artists 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: you'd never expect to play a tiny Tribeca room we're 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: talking about like giants of Brient, pop and grunge, along 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: with so much soul thanks to frequent appearances by the Roots. 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: Pete went into the Wetlands business after of the Grateful 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: Dats Jerry Garcia, which is an important benchmark because it 23 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: left open the question of what would follow in Jerry's 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: spirit and could a scene be sustained without him? The 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: answer was yes, and Pete Shapiro had bet on it. 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: He acquired another staple of the jam band scene, the 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: Capitol Theater in Porchester, New York, and went on to 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: build the Brooklyn Bowl, a combination concert hall bowling alley restaurant, 29 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: as hosted giants like Robert Plant, rarely seen legends like Ms. 30 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Lauren Hill, and regulars like Quest Love. They were all 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: greeted with the same enthusiasm displayed by Pete, the promoter owner, 32 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: but also the fan. He's the rare business operator who 33 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: thinks like a musician, or so set another member of 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead Phil Lesh. Still, Pete has seen some 35 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: low lows along with his very high highs. He nearly 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: went bankrupt not long before he'd staged the penultimate concert 37 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: of his career fairly well which featured members of the 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: Dead joined by Fish frontman and guitar virtuoso Trey Anastasio, 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: as well as Bruce Hornsby and Jeff Gimenti. It was 40 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: there in Santa Clara, California, in on the first of 41 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: five shows that a perfect rainbow would appear at the 42 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: perfect moment, so perfect that some journalists, which is to 43 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: say one journalist, questioned its origin. Pete's book is based 44 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: on fifty pivotal shows which helped define his life and 45 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: guide his business today. His portfolio includes several festivals like 46 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: lock In, which is held annually in Virginia Seas twenty thirteen. 47 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: The magazine relics a leading voice of the scene since 48 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: nineteen four, film projects and all manner of content based 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: around hippie principles of the musical kind and thanks to 50 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: Fairly Well, you can kind of credit Pete with putting 51 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: into the universe a group like Dead and Company, which 52 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: just wrapped a US summer tour of stadiums featuring John Mayer. 53 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: It opens up another generation to the grateful Dead, while 54 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: also giving the o g s the show they crave. 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: In this episode, we talk about, or rather zip through 56 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: Pete's experiences as an entrepreneur and a dreamer, and also 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: get into the complicated history of ticketing from the pioneering 58 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: moves of the Dead who instituted their own mail order system. 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: I think verified fan in its analog form to the 60 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: more controversial dynamic pricing, which has caused some consternation for 61 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen. And it's just announced tour where seats are 62 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: going for thousands of dollars. So strap yourselves in because 63 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: this magic carpet ride disguised as a podcast is a 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: fun one. Join us after the break. Welcome back to 65 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: strictly business. Here's my conversation with Peter Shapiro. It's good 66 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: to talk to you. Let's start with the Wetlands, since 67 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: that was like sort of the door that opened you 68 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: to the concert world, to the music industry in general, 69 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 1: and then later to media and all kinds of other things. 70 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: You're going to school, and Northwestern in Chicago a hub 71 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: of I would say, hippie activity. There's definitely hubs in 72 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: America where a lot of sort of like legions of 73 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: dead Heads I feel like either congregated or came out 74 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: of those places. So what was your experi arians in 75 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: college that made you think you wanted to go into music. 76 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: I had just had one of those moments, the sliding 77 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: doors moment. If I hadn't gone a certain Grateful Dead 78 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: show at Rosemonto Rizon in Rosemant, Illinois in March of 79 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: I probably just be on a different path. That was 80 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: like a door I opened and got it. Went to 81 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: the show. Somehow they started doing like spoken words, and 82 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: I swear I don't know how exactly this happened, but 83 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: I ended up leaving the show and it was in 84 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: the parking lot and I was twenty and I just 85 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: looked around and kids like me, but they weren't going 86 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: back to Northwestern. They weren't going home. They were on 87 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: the bus, you know, like drum circles, and I hadn't 88 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: seen that before. That's the only time I did that, 89 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: but to to do research and like what had been 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: done on the scene that I just saw, and if 91 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: there are any like documentary films, That's what I was 92 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: into and studying and found one film that a sociologist 93 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: had done, like Professor in North Carolina back Deadhead. But 94 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to go out in a 95 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: couple of months. So you actually discovered the Dead in 96 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, that was my first show is two 97 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: Giants Stadium. The Rosemont was my second one, and then 98 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: went on a bunch. I went on that tour the 99 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: summer ninety three. We started in Auburn Hills in Michigan. 100 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: We did Bucket Lake in Ohio, Washington, d C. So 101 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: I went out and I couldn't get the band to 102 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: be in it, but it was about shooting all the 103 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: people on the tour. By the way it was ironic 104 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: was later on when I did the Dead fifty reunion, 105 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: I had this footage. We showed it at halftime when 106 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: we reading circles around the Sun of the music. I 107 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: had this cool footage of Dead tour because it was funny. 108 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't get the Dead to be in it, but 109 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: I got all the people around the scene and Can 110 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: Keasy and Tim Leary. It's called The Miles to Go. 111 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: It's on YouTube and on the Relics channel if they 112 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: wants to watch it. But I went on tour and 113 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: made a film about it and actually led me to 114 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: the path a little bit because that is how I 115 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: met Larry Block. I knew from being on tour just 116 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: how big this scene was and when Jerry died. He 117 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: may be gone, but the music, you know, people's need 118 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: for this music and fun and shows is not going 119 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: to go away. So I explored the wetlands things. I 120 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: thought that would be like a natural home for it. 121 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: I think that's so interesting. As someone who is also 122 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: I would consider myself like a full fledged deadhead. We 123 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: are our age, right, Pete, Like we couldn't have seen 124 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: the dead in the early eighties or the late seventies 125 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: because we were like children and were Toddler's even And 126 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: when you watch a documentary like a real Completest Grateful 127 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Dead documentary, by the time they get to the nineties, 128 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, man, the scene was bad. People 129 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: were jumping, jumping the gates and like there was violence 130 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: and the people in the parking lot by the way 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: in Buffalo. That happened and I was there. If anyone 132 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: out there wants to check out that YouTube and that 133 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: one of those crazy climbing defensive scenes, I have no 134 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: caught from the beginning, but anyway, so I know, I'm 135 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: just I just think it's interesting. It was sort of 136 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: like their last chance right to hook in people like 137 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: you or me. We just to say jet xers right, 138 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: and they still managed to do it in nineties when 139 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: they weren't at their prime, when Jerry was like barely 140 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: getting through the shows. Like it's still resonated. Which this 141 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: could probably be like an SNL joke about like even 142 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: bad Grateful Dead sounds good to a Grateful Dead fan, 143 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: but it is interesting just the timing of it all. 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: So let's go to the Wetlands because I'm gonna inject 145 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: myself into this podcast a little bit, which I don't 146 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: always do, but since this is a scene that's very 147 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: close to my heart. I grew up in New Jersey. 148 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: The beauty of Wetlands was that it was literally on 149 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: the other side of the literally in New Jersey almost. Yeah, 150 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: So if you were like a kid from New Jersey 151 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: who like going to New York maybe freaked you out 152 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: or freaked out your parents, the fact that it was 153 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: literally one right turn from the exit of the Holland 154 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: was a huge advantage. And that's not to say that 155 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: the crowd was what they call Bridge and Tunnel crowd, 156 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: because it wasn't. It was really just a collective of 157 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: deadheads from that whole tri state area. So tell me 158 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: what it was you met Larry, obviously you're familiar with Wetlands, 159 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: but what made you really want to have equity and 160 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: it planned a stake in it for yourself personally? It's 161 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: a good question because I was just getting started in life. 162 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: But you get these gut feelings and the opportunity to 163 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: take over really a place with such credibility and and 164 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: just everything I representative and just spotted it. I just 165 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: knew how unique it was and how much it meant 166 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: to people, partly because I've been on the Dead Tour. 167 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: That's why I go back to that experience in Chicago 168 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: that rose on her eyes and it led me to 169 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: the film, which led me Like when Larry Black and 170 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: Wetlands saw that Dead film, he was like, you're going 171 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: to be the one. You can take this, you know, 172 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: I know, help make it possibly. He let me pay 173 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: a monthly like over time, and I had just come 174 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: from being in that world with the Dead Tour and 175 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: just what that scene is like in Wetlands was at 176 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: home to that in New York City, ongoing in New 177 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: Jersey and to try State right. It was the home 178 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: for that world, and I was just like, this is 179 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: an important place. And even though Jerry's gone. I took 180 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: it over ninety six even more so, like this kind 181 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: of place is needed, and there's gonna be other new 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: younger bands who those people who went on Dead Tour, 183 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: They're gonna need that fix of Like I mean, it's 184 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: not gonna go away just Jerry's gone. You know, it 185 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: won't be seen Grateful Dead, but it might be going 186 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: to see String Cheese or Monescue, Martin Wood Biscuits or 187 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: Mule or you know a lot of other things that 188 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: then got elevated out Mo and Humprees. Those bands, if 189 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: you look back, really expanded in a weird way because 190 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia had had passed away, and also because the 191 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: Wetlands existed. There was like you I try to think 192 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: it was, I mean seriously, because the Wetlands was the 193 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: physical sort of club manifestation of what drew the scene 194 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: to the music and to each other. Like, let's describe 195 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: Wetlands a little bit for our listeners. It was how 196 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: many square feet? It was only like seventy thousand square feet, 197 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: like a few hundred people probably, right, I mean, well, 198 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: you know Wetland. It depends on what day you're asking 199 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: for that one. Right on, it was like a concrete 200 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: hippie jungle day dream and it was a home obviously 201 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: been the hippies, but hip hop heads loved it. SCA Punk. 202 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: On a weekend we could do four shows in twenty 203 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: four hours, like on a two days from Saturday morning 204 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: gets more like thirty six hours. We do a SKA 205 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: show at two o'clock on a Saturday into like a 206 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: jam band Grateful Day kind of thing. That night. The 207 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: next morning we do like hardcore an STI Front and 208 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and go late night for a lot. 209 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: We had the Roots Sunday Nights and Black Lily, So 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: we would do a weekend with those four a SCA show, 211 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: a hippie show, a hardcore show, and a hip hop show, 212 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: soul show, and so it was like a you know, 213 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: when you have that many people going through it, everyone 214 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: looking for the same thing, to get that deal that 215 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: you can only really get at a live music show 216 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: and a great venue. When you start doing that and 217 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: just do hundreds and hundreds and thousands of shows, having 218 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: a great moment, the air in a venue changes, I think, 219 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: and it's a good easier to get to magic the 220 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: more you've had the magic in there. So I've been 221 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: fortunate now to get to do like I when I'm 222 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: building the new venues, the new broken balls and stuff, 223 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: I know that like it's still got some some Wetlands 224 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: based on who we book and just the energy and 225 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: the field and the woy you know, two sets when 226 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: we can, because that helps that separate. It's also so 227 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: great for people to like interact and meet people and 228 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: talk to people. One thing about well Lands was sold out. 229 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Not everyone you can see the show that voice you remember, 230 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: you go to the basement and hang out. You could 231 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: hear it. So it was always a great place. It 232 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: wasn't the best place and maybe ever to see a 233 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: show sightline wise, sightline wise while sit yep, that's the word. 234 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: Not everyone can see it. When it was sold out, 235 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: it's not ideal. You know. We fixed that. But by 236 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: the way, the people that couldn't you go to the bar, 237 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: you go downstairs, you'd be hanging out. You could hear it, 238 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: and you'd meet your wife or your future husband or boyfriend. 239 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, because you could. I met a lot 240 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: of people who are like, yo, dude, I've met my 241 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: wife at Wetlands. So Pete, I'm sure it didn't take 242 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: long into your career for someone to say you're the 243 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: next Bill Graham? How did you actually step into the 244 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: Bill Graham role? One big part was the weather and 245 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: taking that, deciding to lean into doing that. And there's 246 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: been a couple of times and you'll be at like 247 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: a four taking over Relic and decided to go for 248 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: the Capital Theater and sign the league. When I took 249 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: over Relic, a lot of people and it was two 250 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: thousand eight, eight nine, and when I was like, I'm 251 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: taking over wet Lands and a lot of people like, 252 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: what are you doing, dude? And you just got to choose, 253 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, in a couple of times, and I'm really 254 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: glad that I've leaned into the harder road, but the 255 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: road where you're like, I want to go there, and 256 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: then you just do what it takes. I've almost gone down. 257 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: It's in the book a couple of times, you know, 258 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: once really close by the way, I think you have 259 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: to get that close. Sometimes there's just saying that if 260 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: you don't lose money in the first year of a festival, 261 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: that you actually maybe haven't done it right. And you 262 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: have to survive long enough. And then once you get 263 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: going and get the reps or get up the hill 264 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: of it. It gets easier, not only ever gets easy. 265 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: And by the way you do this put on shows. 266 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: I figured out from doing a book. I've done ten 267 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: thousand of them that wasn't at everyone. But if something 268 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: went wrong, I get the call. It's still hard. So 269 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: when you decided to do Brooklyn Bowl, did that coincide 270 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: with purchasing Relics taking over Alex Yes, those two things 271 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: happened pretty much simultaneous. I think it's very strategic, Like 272 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: you have a magazine, the magazine has a website, You 273 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: have a megaphone to reaching this very specific audience. You 274 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: know exactly what they want. It's not like, oh, I'm 275 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: going to open a new venue in New York because 276 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: there's only twelve and the city can sustain eighteen. It's 277 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: not like that. It's really well thought out. But I 278 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: also wanted to bring up, you know, one thing that 279 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Wetlands and Brooklyn Bowl had in common, or another thing 280 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: they had in common, is that they were neighborhoods that 281 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,239 Speaker 1: had yet to be gentrified, that were really like sparsely 282 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: lived in. There weren't a lot of people living there. 283 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Tribeca in New York before it became Tribeca and and Williamsburg, 284 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: which was basically one of the more run down areas 285 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn, but very conveniently located to Manhattan. It was 286 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: also about the building, Like my experiences, a lot of 287 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: this lead with like the specific real space and go 288 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: from there. Obviously Williamsburg as well, it is just right 289 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: across the closest thing across the river. I'm surprised more 290 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: stuff wasn't there actually if you just think about what's 291 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: the closest thing to Manhattan, and there was other stuff there, 292 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: but not really where we were. We were in northern 293 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Williams where we're early we got any kind of like 294 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Brewery's way before us, but we did kind of 295 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: get in at the end of the early It's wild 296 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: to see now there's like four hotels within a block 297 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: or two of us. By the way, if Wetlands hadn't closed, 298 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: we lost our lease and it got converted and went 299 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: to condos. But like even if we kind of least 300 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: that went a little longer the way, the whole neighborhood, 301 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: like you're saying, went from manufacturing and late night and 302 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: some bars to these buildings being converted from that commercial 303 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: use to like residential all that corridor it wouldn't have 304 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: been and that's was tough, like doing this live music thing. 305 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm so glad I got, you know, Brooken Ball when 306 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I did, and also be harder now just to cut 307 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: through all the stuff flying around. We're doing new venues, 308 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: but I'm a little more established. But back then and 309 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: oh nine, it was like The Sopranos was a big show. 310 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Now there's like a hundred shows, big shows and podcasts 311 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: like that. You know what I mean that that stuffing exist. 312 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: There was no TikTok. There was no snapchat, you know, 313 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: nine there was maybe Facebook. Twitter was just starting. So 314 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: I and listen, that goes both ways. We now have 315 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: a brook that TikTok account when you have a big show, Okay, 316 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: you and I could come up with a show right 317 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: now and we can almost do a show with a 318 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: giant act tomorrow at Broken Ball because we're already planning 319 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: to be open. But just on a promo level, you 320 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: just posted I think it's on sale in two hours 321 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: or tonight or tomorrow morning, and then it shows like 322 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: like back in the day of Wetlands in the nineties 323 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: when we would get like last second, who do you 324 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: need a blowfish show? I remember that one. That's when 325 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: they were giant. Though you couldn't turn on the dime 326 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: with twenty four hours because you couldn't post it in 327 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: nineties seven, so you'd have to call Q one oh 328 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: four or w n w's like get it out on 329 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: the radio, and flyers hate it hard, like flying Radio 330 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: obviously pulling out in the voice. It again makes me think, like, wow, 331 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: how smart that you owned a magazine because they still 332 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: needed to advertise those records. I was impressed with relic 333 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 1: As a magazine person who's worked on a lot of magazines. 334 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: I recognized that Relics is its own brand even when 335 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: you bought it, and was very impressed that you went there, Like, honestly, Pete, 336 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: it was very smart move. It's not We're not talking 337 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: about tens of millions of dots here, just a small money. Yeah. 338 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: And you know, we don't do culture, which is important. 339 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: I'm not saying politics, only music. I'm proud of how 340 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: many reviews we do. We only do music, and we're broadening. 341 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: You know, we've just had Warren Drugs on the cover, 342 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: bluminears Jack White, But we do in Jerry's eightier and this. 343 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, Billy Strings. How many Brooklyn Bulls are there now, Pete, 344 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: there's that New York, Philly, Nashville, Vegas or four of 345 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: those that still Well, it's the Chicago Garcias. Yeah, that's 346 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: gonna come. That's gonna happen. Obviously, I got the Capital 347 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: Theater and there's a Garcias there. But we're gonna build 348 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: a cool Garcias, like seated many kind of jazz club 349 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: structure style. I'm excited about that. And I've got this 350 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: studio in New York where we shoot a lot of streams. 351 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: That was the jazz standard. One was a classic jazz 352 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: club that stopped operating during COVID, so I take it over. 353 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: We have to have a place that's built for a 354 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: band to come in and just stream live their performance. 355 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: We need to take a quick break, but we'll be 356 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: back with more from Peter Shapiro. And we're back with 357 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: Peter Shapiro. I mean, the the pandemic obviously really impacted 358 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: the live music industry. I mean, I think you and 359 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: I were speaking a lot during the pandemic, and there 360 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: were definitely some moments where it was like, I don't 361 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: know if We're gonna make it another month or another 362 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: quarter or whatever it was. And then at the same time, 363 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: you lost a lot of young people during that time 364 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: who didn't get to experience what a concert was like 365 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: maybe they were twelve and now they're fourteen, and those 366 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: are very like pivotal years to open someone's mind. And 367 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: I still a live experience. Talk to me about the 368 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: pandemic in general. Al Brooklyn Bowl weathered the pandemic and 369 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: what does it mean for like the gen z e Ars. 370 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: Do they know what concerts are? Well? I hope we're 371 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: near the end. You know, you think you were done 372 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: and then stuff happens. We're seeing people come back, but 373 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: then you can get crazy like it did last Christmas. 374 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: And I feel for these kids, you know, I have 375 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: them were in that age that you're talking about who 376 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: lost something. But people are resilient. Hope they even just 377 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: don't get too addicted to that screen. That's why I 378 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: do these kids show pret younger. I'm trying to get 379 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: the rock and roll play house. What we're doing shows 380 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: but in a rock club or the Bowl in New York, 381 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: or like the Saint Clair and Boston Tally. Ohiold Hall 382 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: in Chicago. We did Troubadour in l A or Boulder 383 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: Theater on a Saturday or Sunday at noon. We know 384 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: they're not doing much. First Avenue in Minneapolis, and we 385 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: do a tribute to a different band each time, so 386 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: each show, one show is just a tribute to springste 387 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: or a tribute to Marley, attribute to the Dead we will. 388 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: We usually start with the Dead because that's my people. 389 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: And then we need a Dead cover band and once 390 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: you can play Dead songs and the Blave Blay Beatles 391 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: and Mary and we get a fun ban parachute shakers 392 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: and it's music and parents bringing their two year old 393 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: see three, four or five. These kids are not self 394 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: conscious yet, so they rock out. They're not worried about 395 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: anyone looking and seeing them fucking fisted any It just 396 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: rocking out. It's unbelievable and their parents are very pleased. 397 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about your crowning achievement fairly, Well, I would 398 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: say that's the crowning achievement, would you agree? I'll take it. 399 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, going into it, I do I think always, well, 400 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: it's Mike Browning achievement. And if it doesn't go well, 401 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm just it was so special, and I was so 402 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: thankful that I was able to break news of its 403 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: like being in the works and to sort of encapsulate 404 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: what it was. I mean, for someone like me who 405 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: loved the Grateful Dead also loved Fish, especially in college 406 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: and coming out of those years. So it was Members 407 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: of the Dead, Mickey Hard, Bill Kreutzman, Bob Weir, Phil 408 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: Lesh with Trey Anastasio from Fish and Double Keys, Double Keys. 409 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: It was Double Keys. I will get to the Rainbow 410 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: in a second. So it was three nights in Santa 411 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: Clara and two in Chicago at Soldier Field. These are giant, 412 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: giant venues. It had been on minute since I'd been 413 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: in a stadium when I walked into that one. Maybe 414 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: that had something to do with how hazy my head was. Anyway, 415 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: it was just it was amazing. They didn't have a 416 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: ton of time to hers. I know, you had a 417 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: lot of time to sort of execute your vision, but 418 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: musically it almost seemed like a little bit of a risk, 419 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: was it. Well, I mean, I grew up going to 420 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Fish shows and that shows, So for me, 421 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: I felt strongly the trade playing that part that would 422 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: be fire. Yeah, that Jerry would be fired. I've seen 423 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: him a lot. Yeah, it just wasn't that much of 424 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: a stretch for me now musically, nor else of the 425 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: demand wise, because the grate of that had never sold 426 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: an online ticket at that point. Because but Jerry died 427 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: in August of and the first online ticket by Ticketmaster 428 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: in the US for a concert, so they didn't start 429 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: till after Jerry was gone. So you don't really know sometimes, 430 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of stuff I've learned, Like people 431 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: will tell you if you listen, you'll hear them say 432 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: the word. Think, hey, Pete, I don't think going to 433 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: do this, this is a good idea, taking Marella. I 434 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: think you don't know, right, you don't know what because 435 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: there's no cost. They had never sold a ticket offf 436 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: and you didn't really know how big the demand would be. 437 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: I thought big, So we we do the odd sale. 438 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: We're on the phone with tick themouse, so they say 439 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: there's more people on the queue online for the new 440 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: and on say, I was like a loving fifty. And 441 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: then for any other concept they've ever done other than 442 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: the led Zeppelin, which is the London a few years 443 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: before the reunion. But for a US concert, that's pretty interesting. 444 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Little tidbit of like how big that dead audience kind 445 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: of maybe really is and then it just blew out. 446 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: Usually I saw that great news, but when it's just 447 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: an instant. But you know, look at what's going on 448 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: now today. It's still an issue today, ticketing and all that. 449 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: And we tried to do every we did. We did 450 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: the mail order. They were pioneers in that they were 451 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: the first mail order ban to really just make that 452 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: a business. So we brought it back. Then there the 453 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: post office takes a few days for stuff to start 454 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: showing up, and then I remember they're like, it showed 455 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: up and there's like sixty I mean, just just crazy. 456 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: So then it was really responding to it crazy to 457 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: a big part of my life's just been trying to 458 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: get things from going wrong. Luckily you were there, you know, 459 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: the weather just went all right, and that impacted my 460 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: life in the Rainbow right, just coming out in the beginning, 461 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: because there was not a Hawser eye around this thing, 462 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: and will it work? Will it work musically? Isn't you know? 463 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Jerry's not here? And then that first set happened in 464 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: Santa Clara and at the end of the set by 465 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: OLII Blues, the last song. It wasn't even raining, so 466 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: it was just like purpally in the sky. And then 467 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you heard that, Remember that rumble 468 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: of people you're pointing. You could hear the noises of 469 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: people being like you look at that rainbow, little rainbow. 470 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: Everyone was pointing. Basically, yeah, let's get into this speed 471 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: rainbow gate. I said earlier that, like, I hadn't been 472 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: to a stadium show in a while, and I was 473 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: a little sort of like mesmerized by the sheer size 474 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: of that place. You know, I don't go to football games. 475 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: If I do see a stadium show, it's like the 476 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: weekend where it's more of like a video show than 477 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: actual people. So there was something kind of strange about 478 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: the size of the venue, how small it looked from 479 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: like across from where I was sitting, but how big 480 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: it actually was. So that's my preface, also prefacing this 481 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: with a giant face palm emoji. So when when this 482 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: rainbow popped up, it looked so perfect, it looked too perfect. 483 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: I was like, how is this happening at this exact moment? 484 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 1: And it wasn't the first time people had looked up 485 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: to the sky because earlier there had been a plane 486 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: that was making out the shape of a peace sign 487 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: with the jet fumes. It wasn't such a crazy idea 488 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: to think that there was some shenanigans going on in 489 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: the skies to make it more entertaining for the people there. 490 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: But here's where you and I and this is by 491 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: the way, everyone, the introduction, this is the introduction to 492 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: Pete's book is describing the events of this day of 493 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Rainbow Gate, which I texted you, Pete and was like, 494 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: what the hell is this? And you just being Pete, 495 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: we're messing with me and said the first I think 496 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: I said it was the rainbow thing, go right to there. 497 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: I said, first like what is it like a rainbow? 498 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: And how it brings like come on, no way? I say, 499 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: no rainbow and You're like, no way. And then I 500 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: think I said, yeah, it's okay. I paid Tom for it. Yeah. 501 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: And here this is the journalist and me where it's like, 502 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: when someone tells me something, I just take it as fact. 503 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: You're telling me you have the information, You are legitimate, 504 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: you are credible. That is credible. So yeah, I'm embarrassed 505 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: to say because I was proud of myself that I 506 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: went into the forty Niners press room to bang out 507 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: a story between the sets, and I wasn't sure that 508 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: I was going to get that done because it was 509 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: a long day and a long drive and a long 510 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: way into the venue and all those things, and I 511 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: was pretty wiped out. But I did it. And then 512 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: by the morning I realized I never forget waken up. 513 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: You were writing is they had a deal, right Billboards 514 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: and Reuters and I think your story which at the 515 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: end said, you know, there's even talk that maybe Pete 516 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: Shapiro paid for the Rainbow fifty tho bucks more details 517 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: to come or something. State dude and it Reiters picked 518 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: it up, and then it ran in some wires and 519 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: then some headline writers started thinking, grateful dead, do they 520 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: fake Rainbow? And just by the time we woke up 521 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: that next morning, because like Europe picked it up, like 522 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: I remember that, it was everywhere. Oh my god, my 523 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: phone was like blowing up with CNN asking if I 524 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: could come on the air. I mean talk about like 525 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: the worst way we got to the stadium, and they 526 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: were like pictures of me, like Rainbow oil man, and like, 527 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's still with me. By the way, I 528 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: go walking down, like in our airport. This happens once 529 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: a week. What for sure? What happened? Someone will be like, yo, bro, 530 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: was the rainbow real? Oh my god? Oh yeah, I 531 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: didn't tell you. Oh yeah, I still get that for sure. 532 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: But you had the best line for it. Pete, what 533 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: was your just beautiful made? Yeah? I have it right? 534 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: It did someone make the rain there? Was it real? 535 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: It was a band made? I was and that you 536 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: when it happened. I was standing at the by the 537 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: front of house, turned to Chis Garcia. Jerry's daughter was 538 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: next to me, and I was like, yeah, that's that's 539 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: your dad, right. She's like, yep. That was a peak 540 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: moment for me. I'm glad we got that out of 541 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: the way. If if fairly well was happening today, would 542 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: you be engaging in this dynamic pricing thing that Bruce 543 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: Springsteen is is dealing with. Good question, and the'd be 544 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: up to the band? Good answer explains that go into 545 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: that because this is obviously like, but we said tickets 546 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: at two fifty bucks a ticket some up front would 547 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: be trade you could sell for a thousand. So the 548 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: argument is the band should make that seven hundred fifty 549 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: bucks extra. Not someone who's trading tickets, whether it's a 550 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: scalp or a human, they're just like, if that tickets 551 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: people will pay a thousand for the artists should just 552 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: get the money. Or you can set it at a 553 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: lat number. There's ways, and I don't know you know 554 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: how successful it's been. I think it works. Verified fan 555 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: you can do, which is like set all the tickets 556 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: at two fifty or three fifty or wherever, and then 557 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be able to trade sell the ticket. 558 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: You've got to be that person whose name bought the ticket, 559 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: verified fan, right. I think those verified fans were like 560 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: getting shut out of that sale and then went and 561 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: looked and saw that the market demand, Yeah, I had 562 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: driven it to four thousand, seven thousand. How does that happen? 563 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: What is happening? Well, income in and quality. There's too 564 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: many rich people. You know, I'll give you another big 565 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: part of it. I think how much more Springsteen the 566 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: East they haven't played in five years. They're not going 567 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: to see Springsteen a lot more. You're just not. And 568 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: so the demand there was a lot of people with 569 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: money they'll pay for you know, for that once in 570 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: a lifetime maybe the last Grouse shot. Maybe it'll be 571 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: another tour, but you're not going to be like thirty 572 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: twenty more years of it. Same with the Stones and 573 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: McCartney's eighty or Billy and Elton he's on his final tour. 574 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: So that people will pay a lot premium to see 575 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: these acts, I think, And it's a tough call. Do 576 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: you just say yeah, dynamic, it's the public and then 577 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: you get these crazy numbers and kiss people off? Or 578 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: do you take less? But maybe other people make that 579 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: money that spread. Can you refine this verified fan thing 580 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: so that the real fans can buy and attend without complication? 581 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, but can you I should you be 582 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: able to trade to your brother? You know, things like 583 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: that being able to give it to your brother get complicated. 584 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: I wish it was more simple. But a fundamental thing 585 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: is just the tickets are worth a thousand. Should the 586 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: artists charge to fifty just to let some cooler people 587 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: or people that couldn't afford the thousand be able to 588 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: have that ticket in that location? Should they take the cut? 589 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: That's why I send It's up to the art, you know, 590 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: I think we'll see more and more or now different 591 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: artists doing different things, and I know Landou came out 592 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: and had his explanation. They felt some of the tickets. 593 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what was the ratio, you know that 594 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: was dynamic and not. Yeah, he said that of the 595 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: tickets that were sold were dynamic, and the vast majority 596 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: were in that two hundred fifty range. Right. But the 597 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: only thing is probably the p ones, which are the 598 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: best tickets. Would be interesting to see what the allocation 599 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: of that eleven thousands. People will have to be careful 600 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: of that. You know, we'll do dynamic, but we're going 601 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: to do them all over the arena versus just up front. 602 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: Let's say the band memories like, well, I want to 603 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: get some of these extra money, Yeah, you want to 604 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: use some dynamic. So what would you do? No dynamic, 605 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: just all flat? I don't know. That's why I'm asking you. 606 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the expert. It's hard and I just don't 607 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: the venues. Well, you know, listen, you said it before. 608 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: These issues with ticketing and service fees and what's right 609 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: and what's wrong, these have been around for decades. I 610 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: still remember the hearings from the nineties with Pearl Jam, 611 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: and Pearl Jam really did try to do it differently. 612 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: They really did try to go to different rooms that 613 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: weren't controlled by the Giant corporation and it didn't really 614 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: work out. I'm so glad that you wrote your quit. 615 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Dean Budnick, who really gets it and has an amazing 616 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: book called Ticketmasters with Josh Barron relics, and uh, that 617 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: is a big reason I decided to do this is 618 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: Dean because of his knowledge of the industry. And it 619 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: was at a lot of these shows, so the books 620 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: tippy shows, and Dean was at half a lot of them, 621 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: so he was like, don't you ever write anything down? 622 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: I know, And then COVID became a good time to 623 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: do it. You know, there wasn't out every night. I'm 624 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: really glad I did it now, because you don't after 625 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: a test when you take a physics caster algebra was 626 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: hard and you're done and you're like, I can forget 627 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: like half that, now forget it all. You know, I 628 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: feel kind of good looking at this book it's here 629 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: and be like, ship now I can forget a lot 630 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: of that. Your memory is actually astoundingly good. All those details. 631 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how you remember those, Like were you journaling? 632 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: Like I don't know how you did that, dude, Well, hey, 633 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: we did it over like a few years, so like 634 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: things come back to you, like if this had been 635 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: like you got to do this in four months or 636 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: six months, it wouldn't have worked as well. Dean health, 637 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: he was around, he did the Wetlands movie. He wrote 638 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: the book on jam Band. It's also like the story 639 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: of a bunch of stuff that Jammie's are seen. And 640 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: you know what helps the internet because a bunch of 641 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: the book that right, it's fifty different shows and the dates, 642 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: the set list, who played that without the internet? That's 643 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: a good part of the internet, you know, looking back 644 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: right and be like who was that that power jam 645 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: at Wetlands November twel like Bernie Warret like. So it 646 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: was like a triangulation of my brain, my memory, Dean's memory, 647 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: and the Internet and hopefully we got it pretty good. 648 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask just if you could tell the 649 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: story of your son and show and tell at school 650 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: it was show and tell day. He's like five years 651 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: old and he had a picture of Soldier Field, Chicago, 652 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: and he pulled it up and said, this is what 653 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: my my dad does. It's called Grateful Dead and he 654 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: does Grateful Dead. That's pretty good fun. Find that video. 655 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: This is what he does, my dad and he does 656 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: grateful debts alright. One other thing from the book was 657 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: it Phil Lesh who said that you think like a musician, 658 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: I can have a pretty good feel from Jammies and 659 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 1: doing Phil and Friends the bowl Lives of like, let's 660 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: try this artist with this artist, and that's a little 661 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: bit maybe like my instrument. When we did Quest Love 662 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: and Phil and Buddy Guy and John Mayor, or we 663 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: did Travis Trent with the Biscuits, or we do Peter 664 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: Frampton with Guster, or last night Warren Haynes played at 665 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: Ann Wilson at the Capitol. And we're still doing all 666 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: that at the Bowls. And I love that we're not 667 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: Phil Lesh playing nine shows the cap in October, and 668 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: we've got some new cool people playing with him for 669 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: the first time. And that's what I try to do, 670 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: is like and bring some of these people from the 671 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: jam scene. I got some good stuff coming. So that's 672 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: just how the music keeps going. I was just gonna 673 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: say that Dead and Company is really indebted to fairly 674 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: well for opening up the concept of members of the 675 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: Grateful Dead playing Dead songs and some other calculations. You know, 676 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be the end, an ending of 677 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: sorts and what was cool as it ended up being 678 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: like a new beginning of another phase. It's been a 679 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: really big phase. Grateful then, but it's been great to 680 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: like see a lot of parents will come home think 681 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: so much, you know, because they bring their kids to 682 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: the show. And it's why there's new bands, you know, 683 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: like Goose and Twitdle or Marcus King, you know, or 684 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: people playing ping pong. It's like the whole next generation 685 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: four point oh billy strings looking at him he's playing. 686 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: It comes a little bit off of this dead world 687 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: and it does help that, like people can bring the 688 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: nineteen year all back to that rock and roll playhouse thing. 689 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: When you're young, if you can go to shows, I 690 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: think then you become a live music lover and you 691 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: go to other shows. You're gonna then go to more shows. 692 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Pete, who knew that you would trade in 693 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: live music from the cradle to the grave. Like seriously, 694 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: now you're getting heavy, bro trying not to think about 695 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: it too much and just keep doing it, you know 696 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: exactly well, you should be very proud. The book is 697 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: a great read. The music never stops. What putting on 698 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: ten thousand shows has taught me about life, liberty, and 699 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: the pursuit of magic. Thanks for tuning into variety strictly business. 700 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Jessica L. Boy. Please make 701 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to the podcast to hear future episodes 702 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: featuring conversations with media movers and shakers. 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