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It's so sad that yesterday I 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 5: actually go on the comte and I ordered myself a 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 5: twenty twenty Wimbled in Town because clearly you've seen my 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 5: house and my apartment and I have every town from 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 5: nineteen eighty nine, from the first time that I ever 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 5: played at Wimbling. So this is the first time in 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 5: what is that thirty one thirty two years that I 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 5: will not be in London. And it's so sad. Obviously 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 5: have an amazing amount of memories from there, but twenty 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 5: twenty is definitely not a good year. 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 7: Cool Tennis twenty twenty is really kicking our asses. However, 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 7: it's given us a chance to look back. I think 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 7: big make some changes. 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 5: Hopefully. 32 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 7: There's some really intense conversations happening at some of the 33 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 7: organizational levels, some of the you know, governing body levels, 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 7: about what we want this sport. 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 5: To look like when it comes back. 36 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 7: And that's not just in terms of safety, which is 37 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 7: obviously the case, but you know, making a more equitable sport, 38 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 7: making a sport that is a little bit less elitist, 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 7: that's a little bit more welcoming, you know. I think 40 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 7: from what I've heard, those are conversations that are happening. Obviously, 41 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 7: we talked to Katrina Adams about some of this stuff, 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 7: you know, and one thing we are going to do 43 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 7: this week is look back a little bit because we 44 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 7: have a phenomenal guest who made Wimbledon history, and before 45 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 7: we get to her, I want to hear a little 46 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 7: bit about some of your favorite stories at Wimbledon. It 47 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 7: seems like of all the Grand Slams, certainly despite the 48 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 7: fact that you're an Australian, the Wimbledon experience was one 49 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 7: that is extremely close to your heart. 50 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 5: Tell us some of your favorite stuff. Yeah, I mean, listen, 51 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 5: growing up in Australia, we obviously to watch Wimbledon, we'd 52 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 5: have to get up at like one, two, three, four 53 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning. I mean that was just how 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 5: it was because of the time difference. So every single 55 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 5: night I would get up and watch either one match 56 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 5: or some of the match. I'll never forget my mom 57 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 5: just like tapping me on the shoulder and be like 58 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 5: when you know bogs On. You know, when I was 59 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 5: a really young kid, I was obsessed with you Beyond 60 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 5: book and Evon Guligon Coli. Those are my two like favorites, 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 5: and then of course Christy and Martina. Like even if 62 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: you're not a tennis byer, everyone would watch Wimbledon. Yeah. 63 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 5: I used to watch it with my grandparents. 64 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 7: And the NBC theme music that was so Yeah, it 65 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 7: was such an indelible part of my mornings. And then 66 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 7: the Championship weekend watching Boris Becker when in eighty five, 67 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 7: I think it was was one of the seminal and 68 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 7: I think it was the first tennis match I remember 69 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 7: on TV at Wimbledon and just thinking, Wow, this is 70 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 7: so amazing. 71 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: I'm watching history, you know. When I when I obviously 72 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 5: had an opportunity to go and play there, it was 73 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 5: like that. It was a you know, it was amazing, 74 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 5: you know, but very different to what I ended up 75 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: you know, being experiencing there obviously. But I had to 76 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 5: go to qualifying the first year I went eighty nine 77 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 5: and I had to take a train like thirty minutes 78 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 5: to Wimbledon, and then I had to get a transportation 79 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 5: from Wimbledon to Roehampton. I mean, I there was no 80 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 5: luxury in having to qualify for Wimbledon for me. It 81 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 5: was just like and I wasn't complaining about any of it. Like, 82 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 5: and I remember my last round of qualifying. I remember 83 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 5: my first match. I played Barbara Rittena from Germany. The 84 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 5: German fed Cutcher. Very yeah. I think it was the 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 5: first time I ever dove on a court. That was 86 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 5: in that match, and she's talks about it, She's like 87 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 5: remember that. I was like, yeah, I could. I couldn't 88 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 5: even believe I did that. And then the last match 89 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: was against Jennifer Sandtrock from the United States, and she 90 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 5: was lefty and it rained in the middle of the match. 91 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: I won the first set. She double folded as it 92 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: was raining on the first set point, and you know, 93 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: had to come back, and I just kept thinking, of 94 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 5: my god, I'm one set away from qualifying for Wimbledon, 95 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 5: and it was just insane for me to even think 96 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 5: about it. And then I went back out and we 97 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 5: won the I won the match and I had a 98 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 5: fourhand volley to win the match. It was the most 99 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 5: nervous open court for hand bollie I've ever hit in 100 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 5: my life. And I remember when I hit it in 101 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 5: I just thought, oh my god, like, this is the 102 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 5: greatest moment of my life. And obviously then to go 103 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 5: and play there and get your badge and walk through 104 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 5: those gates as a competitor is just amazing. And then obviously, 105 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 5: you know, winning the doubles there twice, you know, one 106 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 5: and O four with Lisa Raymond and with Kara Black. 107 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 7: I mean, they're just dreams that you just can't imagine. 108 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 7: I mean, and let's not forget that you won the 109 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 7: Legend thanks was in twenty eighteen Demon's. 110 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 5: I actually won the Legends twice. 111 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 7: Oh sorry, so when I saw, yeah, that's Kim clusters. 112 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 7: You and she partnered up and you hit a daving valley. 113 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 7: I did unbelievable valley. I think the comment Peter jumped 114 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 7: out of his chair. It's one of the best examples 115 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 7: of a daving valley that you hit two years ago 116 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 7: in an amazing. 117 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 5: I almost broke my hand because I landed on the racket. 118 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: Oh I've done. 119 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 5: I have had more dives at Wimbledon, and I had 120 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 5: one around the net post playing against Barbara Schettes and 121 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 5: Barbara started laughing with her asshof because she's like, this 122 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 5: is legends and what are you doing? You know, but 123 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 5: I just can't help it. I mean when I would 124 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 5: dive on hardcore, so for me on grass, it just 125 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 5: comes naturally. Actually, actually one of my best dives at 126 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: Wimbledon was against him, playing mixed against her back on move, 127 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 5: playing full time, so I don't know. I was playing 128 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 5: with Marcello Mellow and he basically looked at me and 129 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: turned around. He started bowing. He was like, that was amazing. 130 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 5: But you know I know that, like Sam Stows is 131 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 5: always like I wish I could dive once, and I'm like, listen, no, 132 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 5: you either can do it, well, you can't those you 133 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 5: can practiceta and if you try and do it when 134 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 5: you don't know how to do it, you can really 135 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 5: hurt yourself. 136 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 7: Well, there's something really special about obviously my experience. 137 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 5: That there has been both as a spectator and as 138 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 5: a journalist. 139 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 7: But I would encourage anybody who might be on the 140 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 7: fence about going, or. 141 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 5: Maybe is thinking about making it, you know, making the trip. 142 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 5: Wimbledon on TV and Wimbledon in Lore. 143 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 7: Is really fancy and it's e laite, and we talk 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 7: a lot about the tea and the breakfast woman and 145 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 7: the cream and the strawberries and all the traditions and 146 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 7: that's all the trips and the pens cups. But in person, 147 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 7: the experience is actually remarkably democratic. It's a remarkably open institution. 148 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 7: The first time I ever went was a spectator. I 149 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 7: queued up, I paid twenty pounds for my ticket. I 150 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 7: spent one of the most wonderful days in my life 151 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 7: just roaming from court to Cork. And it's beautiful and 152 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 7: it's manicured, but it's not a place that feels exclusion, 153 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 7: stuffy or stuffy. It's really open and fun. 154 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 5: Well, you know, some of us though, ok I managed 155 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 5: to squeeze that way into the Royal Box a couple 156 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: of times. We're getting there. So tell me about the 157 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 5: Royal Box. 158 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 7: Experience, because for people who don't know, there's a special 159 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 7: seating area in center quote. You can be a guest 160 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 7: of the Royal family sitting in the Royal Backs and 161 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 7: to get this is a huge honor their souvenirs involved. 162 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 7: There's a wedding room. Tell us what it involves and 163 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 7: how you even get invaded. 164 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 5: Well, you have to be invited by the Chairman of 165 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 5: the All England Club. And I have been asked since 166 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 5: I've gone back to do the Legends as they call it, 167 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 5: the Ladies Invitational. They really nicely ask a lot of 168 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 5: the competitors that they're playing in the Ladies Invitational where 169 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 5: they're doing television and various things, and they often ask 170 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 5: us to go to Women's semi finals day or women's 171 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 5: quarter finals day. So they invite not all, but most 172 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: of the competitors of the Ladies Invitational and a lot 173 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 5: of us are working and we can't fit it into 174 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 5: our schedule. But I managed to fit it into my 175 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 5: schedule every time they asked sure, Actually the first time 176 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: they ever asked me, I had to say no, And 177 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 5: I said to Phil, I said to Phil Brook, who's 178 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 5: the one that asked me. I went to him immediately 179 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 5: the next I said, please, please please invite me back, please, 180 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 5: you know, personally to say no. 181 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: That that was. 182 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 5: But it's just, I mean, it is so typically English 183 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 5: and so I mean, don't take this around super pompous, 184 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 5: but it is exactly the way it should be. I 185 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: mean they have, you know, lunch at a certain time, 186 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 5: then you watch the match. Then you don't have tea afterwards, 187 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: you have your little SCons and your little you know, 188 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: finger sandwiches and tea, and it's just it's just amazing. 189 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 7: They give you a little souvenir bag they do full 190 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 7: of goodies which you have gifted to me at least 191 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 7: one of the ones you've got. 192 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 5: So thank you for that. I still you this. Yeah, 193 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 5: it's just it's just an honor. 194 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 7: But there's also royals in the box all times, not 195 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 7: all the time, but you know, Keate Middleton will show 196 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 7: up obviously, William come when I went to I mean. 197 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 5: David Beckham, come on, David Beckham, he's basically a royal. 198 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 5: Maggie Maggie, the actress Maggie Smith. 199 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 4: Yes. 200 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 5: When I was there last year, Phoebe waller Bridge was. 201 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 202 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 7: She was the day be for me, like four hundred, 203 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 7: like extremely far away, like telephoto lens photos made her 204 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 7: look like just basically a blob, but she was. I 205 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 7: was just happy to around her. I was like, it's 206 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 7: a Phebe dollar Bridge. Trust me, she's in there. 207 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 5: You can't. I think she went the day before I did, 208 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 5: so I was super bud. She was watching the Vica 209 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 5: Hall up match, which I thought was gonna be more 210 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 5: of a barn burner but didn't turn out. 211 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 7: But you know, Phoebe was there so that you were fine. 212 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 7: Tell me before we get to introducing our guests. Who's 213 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 7: spectacular and a super interesting woman in a couple of 214 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 7: very very different ways. The last thing I want to 215 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 7: ask you about is the skirt. 216 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 5: Tell me about this the skirt. Well, you know. So 217 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: I was playing the Ladies Invitational with Kim Cleister's and 218 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 5: we were playing against uh Conchita Martinez and Andrea Jaeger, 219 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 5: and we were up pretty comfortably in the match and 220 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 5: Kim started talking to the crowd. We try and interact 221 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 5: a little bit. We try and have some fun with 222 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 5: the ladies. Ladies invitation. Some of the ladies have as 223 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:59,479 Speaker 5: much fun. She was subberteam a little bit too. Seriously, 224 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 5: not going to mention any name. 225 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 7: The Kim Kleister is being in the Leader's invitation is embarrassing. 226 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 7: I mean she's a current player basically, and she's playing 227 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 7: against Andrea Yeager, which three kids. 228 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, I think that is a yeah. So anyway, 229 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 5: so Kim and I are playing and she turns around 230 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 5: to the crowd at one stage and says, where do 231 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 5: you want me to serve it? And they said, you know, 232 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 5: they're yelling all things. So she says, okay, so someone 233 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 5: said down the team, so she literally legit hits like 234 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 5: a one ten serve down the ace. And then she 235 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 5: turns around again to the crowd and she says, what 236 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 5: do you want this one? And they said, you know whatever, 237 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 5: And sure enough, bang one oh five wherever out wide 238 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 5: ace and I'm like having a blast with us, And 239 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 5: she runs over to the people that suggest to this, 240 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 5: who've got a pins right, but she runs over to 241 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 5: high five them. I run over it also to high 242 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 5: five her and them, but instead of high fiving them, 243 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 5: I actually took their pins, took a swig of it, 244 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 5: gave it back. I mean, we're trying to have fun, right. 245 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 5: Then she says again, where do you want it? 246 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 4: Right? 247 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 5: Sure enough out white bang. Why she's three legit aces 248 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 5: and I mean really good, yeah, on demand, on demand. 249 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 5: And then she gets up to the line and some 250 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 5: guy yells out to the body. God is sir. Now, 251 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 5: But I'm like, you can't ace someone to the body. No, 252 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 5: it's actually doesn't work because it will touch their body. 253 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 5: But that's a dick thing to do. Well, But the 254 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 5: point is that we're like, we're trying to hit the 255 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 5: n ax. So she stops and looks up. She goes 256 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 5: to the body and I'm like what And then so 257 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 5: Conchita then goes, oh, what don't you take it to 258 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 5: the body or something. Then Kim and I go, yeah, 259 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 5: why don't you get out of the we have a 260 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 5: piece of Just keep in mind, we have no idea 261 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 5: who yelled out to the body the person, We have 262 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 5: no idea. So Kanchi goes, why don't you So he 263 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 5: stands up and this guy is a big dude. Yeah okay, 264 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 5: So he stands up, comes down on the court, which 265 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 5: keep in mind. This is oneblan like, it's not something 266 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 5: that happens. I mean at any other Grand Slam, you 267 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 5: could see this happening, because every other Grand Slam is 268 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 5: not because they're very protective of the grass, are very 269 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 5: protective of safety. 270 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 7: Yeah always plebeian does that get to walk on all. 271 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 5: The things that we didn't take into consideration. But also 272 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 5: it is very easy to get on the courts at 273 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 5: one you can just step over it. So he comes 274 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 5: onto the court. He's got like blue pants on and 275 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 5: a green shirt, and so of course Kim is now laughing, 276 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 5: and then she looks at him and she goes, wait, 277 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 5: I love that he's wearing no white. And then all 278 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 5: of a sudden, her little head ticks over and she 279 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 5: goes wait. So she runs over and grabs an extra 280 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 5: skirt out of her bag and her own bag out 281 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 5: of her own bag, runs over, gives it to him 282 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 5: and puts it over his legs like she's putting it 283 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 5: on her three year ol. That's what she said, And 284 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 5: she's dying laughing. She falls over anyway, God love him. 285 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 5: He pulls them. 286 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 3: Up and they go on. 287 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 5: So now I'm like, oh, this is not satisfactory because 288 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 5: now you've got a yellow you've got a green shirt on. 289 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 5: So I run and get my I have a white top. 290 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 5: It's a long sleeve and it's spandex, so I know 291 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 5: it's going to expand. So he goes. 292 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: He looks at me, he goes, no. 293 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 5: Way, and I go put it on. So he puts 294 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 5: it on. Yes, now he's in a white skirt and 295 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 5: my white top. And the commentator, which is the best 296 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 5: part of this on YouTube, he goes, that's a man 297 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 5: at Wembledon in a skirt receiving served from Kim plaisters. 298 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 5: I mean, it's a hilarious right, So God love and 299 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 5: he plays the ball back and we have super fun. 300 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 5: We take photos. I mean, it goes viral. It was 301 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 5: on the Jimmy Kimmel shows and review, It was on. 302 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 7: Lots of shows, and the Queen herself did not come 303 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 7: down and said no. 304 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: But I will say that the club wasn't super happy 305 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 5: the next day. I believe that, but I will tell 306 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 5: you that they did just post it on their Woden website, 307 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 5: so maybe they've forgiven us. I blamed it all on 308 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 5: Kim because I keep inviting Kim back forever. But the 309 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 5: great story in the end was that he kept Kim 310 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 5: so Kick skirt and we found out his name was 311 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 5: Chris I believe, and he kept the skirt and when 312 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 5: he went home, he decided he to sell it as 313 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 5: an option item and all the money would go to 314 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 5: help him provide monetary help for FAMI families with children 315 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 5: with cancer so they could fly. He was from northern 316 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: I think it's from Ireland maybe, and he used to 317 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 5: fly them to London and then Feeler, who are Kim sponsor, 318 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 5: said whatever you get will match. That's amazing, and then 319 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: they flew him when Kim got inducted into the Hall 320 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 5: of Fame, so he flew him to Newport Beach and 321 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 5: they did a bit of an interview and Kim signed it. 322 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 5: I said, can you sign it for him? Yet? No problem. 323 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 5: So we all kind of worked together to get it 324 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 5: done and they raised I think I can't remember exactly, 325 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 5: but I want to say maybe twelve thirteen thousand dollars 326 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 5: in total. And he kept the foundation going and he's 327 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 5: been doing he and he got really in shape he 328 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 5: started away and yeah, so it was an amazing story. 329 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 5: In the end, some people were like, oh, you guys 330 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 5: did accent. 331 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 7: You could fit into your spirit at something well, probably not, 332 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 7: but it. 333 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 5: Ended up being a that's so cool. I didn't know 334 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 5: the end of the sturge. Yeah, we raised a lot 335 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 5: of money, and yeah it was fantastic and he had 336 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 5: a blast and he was such a good sport. So yeah, 337 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 5: there's some great things that can happen. 338 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 7: Sometimes if anybody hasn't seen it, they absolutely have to 339 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 7: search Forard on YouTube. It is hilarious. And let's introduce 340 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 7: this week's gest. We take this episode a while ago 341 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 7: because we were lucky enough speaking of all white, speaking 342 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 7: of all white, and her name is Anne White, we 343 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 7: have the inimitable and White whose story, personal narrative is 344 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 7: just amazing. West Virginia to Wimbledon. I mean that kind 345 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 7: of sums it up right. West Virginia Phenom goes to 346 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 7: study with Nick Bolterry, one of the first makes a 347 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 7: film about it. This film is nominated for Emmys. It 348 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 7: is widely considered to be one of the greatest tennis 349 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 7: films ever made. Called Love Meme zero about the Nick 350 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 7: Nick Nick who refers to himself constantly in the third person. 351 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 7: We talk a lot about that, how that film came 352 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 7: to be Her journey obviously from West Virginia to Wimbledon 353 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 7: and then on to the Beverly Hills Tennis Club where 354 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 7: that she's director of Tennis. But most notably, and tying 355 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 7: back to what we were just discussing about, the dress 356 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 7: code of women and white or famously the onesie, the 357 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 7: original bodysuit, all white, head to toe, long sleeve, pony shoes, headband. 358 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 7: She looked amazing in it. It is one of the 359 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 7: most indelible images iconic of tennis full style. 360 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 5: The story behind it was so fascinating and so great, 361 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 5: and I did not know any of the backstory of 362 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 5: how it happened and how it turned out. But you know, 363 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 5: Anne was a great player, and then this also to happen, 364 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 5: and also to hear her thoughts about it was really 365 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 5: interesting to me. 366 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 8: Overall. 367 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 7: I love Anne's approach to tennis so much because I 368 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 7: think turning her life into being an advocate for tennis 369 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 7: and pulling juniors in and getting more people engaged, you know, 370 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 7: is something that obviously we were really interested in a 371 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 7: racket so it was really cool to hear her story, 372 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 7: hear what she's doing now. But also, of course, as 373 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 7: you said, hear this like amazingly insane story. And I 374 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 7: never connected with the image because there's always a story 375 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 7: behind the image. And a lot of people talked about 376 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 7: that bodysuit controversy with Serena a couple of years ago. 377 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 7: Well guess what there was this one before that turns 378 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 7: out women in bodysuits on professional tennis courts huge problem, 379 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 7: but also an amazing opportunity for comedy and all the 380 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 7: rest of it. 381 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 5: I cannot wait for someone to bring it until then. 382 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 8: All right, enjoy this interview with Anne White. 383 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 9: You are a storyteller, You're a WTA singles and doubles veteran, 384 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 9: You're somebody who now runs a club. But your personal 385 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 9: story is not something I think a lot of people know. 386 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 9: So let's start there. Are you, your West Virginia? You 387 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 9: get a rocket into your hand? Where does that story start? 388 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 9: That story starts with the Charleston Tennis Club and. 389 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: I my mom was playing in a weekly doubles game 390 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 4: and I was in horseback riding, lessons in swimming, in ballet, 391 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 4: which I did not like, and I was don't It's 392 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: sort of in trouble because I charged a lot of 393 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 4: candy at the club and my mom made me come 394 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: to her. 395 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 6: Tennis games and I had to sit and watch her play. 396 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 4: And my two friends were in a little clinic on 397 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 4: the courts below and they were Ana and in nan 398 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 4: or you can play tennis. Well, So that went on 399 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: all yeah, and I just begged my mom to put 400 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 4: me in the class because they kept harassing me and 401 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 4: I hated it. And finally she just was tired of 402 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: me bothering her and she and she put me in 403 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 4: the class. 404 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 6: And then. 405 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: Two days later the head pro came up and said, 406 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: your daughter can actually hit the ball over the fence 407 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 4: and moving or put the nine year old. 408 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 6: So it was just I was five and a half. 409 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: Oh shit, wait a second, So were you you are? 410 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 3: For people who don't know you were public seeing pictures 411 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: of him, you were very tall. 412 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I wasn't you know, I wasn't that tall. 413 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: No, she was five. Okay, I don't know. 414 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 5: I don't know. 415 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. 416 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 6: I wasn't. My dad. 417 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 4: My dad was a basketball player. He was captain of 418 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 4: the w basketball team right before Jerry West came on. 419 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: He helped recruit Jerry and so he always had a 420 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: ball in my hand when I was little. 421 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 6: And I'm the oldest child, and so he. 422 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 4: Was always tossing balls with me, and so I had 423 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: I just established really good hand eye coordination from a 424 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: very young age, and and. 425 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 6: So you took to it immediately. 426 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: The hand eye you could make contact. 427 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then let's go hit a hit on the 428 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 4: wall and okay, hell hit on the wall. 429 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 6: The OCD kicked in at a very early age. 430 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 4: And then you could be near the snack bar and 431 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: get the candy. 432 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 433 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 6: That was an early thing. 434 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 5: Who was just basically told every parent just if they 435 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 5: want their kid to be a tennis player, just carry 436 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 5: around swim fish. 437 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, just like throw it out them like dogs in 438 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 6: mountain dew. Yeah. 439 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 440 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: I have to say mine was Fanta back then. 441 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, phanto. Yeah. 442 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: I used to share a Doctor Pepper with my. 443 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 9: Dad whenever we would finish it set, and it was 444 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 9: the thing I look forward to. 445 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: I like Doctor Pepperton. 446 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. But so you've had a natural affinity. 447 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: It got serious was tennis. I mean obviously there was. 448 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 9: A club, there was some infrastructure, but was there much 449 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 9: of a junior scene when it There was a little 450 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 9: bit of a program. 451 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 4: And my mom, mother is was a school teacher and 452 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 4: very organized and she saw that I was getting good, 453 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 4: and there were local tournaments, and the next thing I knew, 454 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 4: I was going to Ohio and Michigan and playing in 455 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 4: these regionals. And then next thing I knew, I was 456 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: nine years old playing in the twelve and Internationals and 457 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: Little Rock Arkansas. 458 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: And then next thing you knew. 459 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 9: I mean once that timespan a year, two years, three years, 460 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 9: that's amazing. 461 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 5: Wait, I want to more importantly, I want to know 462 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 5: what happened once you started playing and then those people 463 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 5: that were making fun of you, what you did to them? 464 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: Would you play them or did you beat them? 465 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 5: Because I looked for the minutia little comic stories like basically, 466 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 5: how did you pay them back? 467 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 4: Well, they went into they went into swimming, horseback riding. 468 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: They quickly got. 469 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 4: Out of tennis, and then you know, I stuck with tennis. 470 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: I think, I just, you know, I like the I did. 471 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: I did play high school basketball as well, because my 472 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 4: dad always had me playing basketball. 473 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: Family. 474 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was just you know, into sports and 475 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 4: loved you know, hitting the ball, and and then you know, 476 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 4: as a kid, you'd look at the map and you'd say, 477 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, we get to go to Arkansas or 478 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 4: we get to go to Toronto, and my mom would 479 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 4: get in her woody wagon and drive us when we go. 480 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 6: And it was like an adventure to go do a 481 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 6: lot of woody wagon. 482 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: I know exactly the best. It was the best. 483 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: The Brady Bunch Club. 484 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 6: Yeah, they had the big wood pan yah and three seats. 485 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 6: My brother had the far back. I was in the middle, 486 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 6: and we had a whole system, and you know it was. 487 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: It was like a whole family adventure. 488 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 489 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 4: And then you know, if I got to the finals, 490 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 4: the deal was you and my dad says, okay, you 491 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: get to the finals, I'll fly in. 492 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 6: So I love my father. 493 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 4: He was, you know, my sports hero, and so I 494 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: always wanted to do my best and get to the finals. 495 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 6: So my dad would fly in and then he drive 496 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 6: home with us. Wow. 497 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 9: So a very big part of your story, and we're 498 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 9: going to get to some of that a little later, 499 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 9: but a very big part of your story is your 500 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 9: experience in sort of the junior tennis machine, because at 501 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 9: some point, and this is still true today, it's probably 502 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 9: more true now than it was. When you start to 503 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 9: show promise, you kind of outgrow your local club, you 504 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 9: outgrow your local coaches, you get plucked and you get 505 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 9: put in a real tennis machine. What happened to get 506 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 9: that for you? How did you get to the voluntary 507 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 9: you know, universe? How did it sort of transcend from Okay, 508 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 9: this is really good but it's a family affair to 509 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 9: oh wow, I have some real promise and this this 510 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 9: is something I need to focus on, almost in a 511 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 9: twenty four to seven kind of capacity. 512 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 4: Well, I think, you know, I was really fortunate that 513 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 4: in Charleston, West Virginia, the National sixteen tournament was played 514 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 4: at my club. It was and still is the nicest 515 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 4: tennis club in West Virginia. And so when I was 516 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: nine years old, I was a ball girl for you know, 517 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 4: Chris Everard and Marina Rodondo and you know all this. 518 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: So I got to see really good tennis at a 519 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: young age and really look up to them and oh, 520 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: maybe I can get as good. 521 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 6: And then, you know, I kept getting better and better 522 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 6: and better. 523 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 4: And then when I was fourteen, I finally got to 524 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: play at my home club in the National sixteens and 525 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 4: Nick was there. And at this point he approached my 526 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 4: parents and said, I'm going to start this little academy 527 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 4: in Florida. 528 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 6: Before he started. 529 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: I was the first out of state student nickpology. There 530 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: were there was me at about eight locals. The Dipalmers 531 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 4: were there, Mike Dipalmer's kids. 532 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: And so he recruited. 533 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: He recruited me, and he said to my parents, you know, 534 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 4: come down and take a visit. And so we flew 535 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: down and we looked and I saw that beach in 536 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: that water, and I'm like, okay, I'm in. 537 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 6: I'm in, you know. And so then I I lived 538 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 6: with a family. 539 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: I was fortunate I didn't have to live with that 540 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 4: hotel because I wouldn't have made it. 541 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 6: I know, I wouldn't have made it. 542 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 4: I was spoiled because I it was tough. I mean 543 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: it was really tough. I had home cooked meals every night. 544 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 4: I had a really loving family that took care of me. 545 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 4: And you know, in the hotel it was tough. You know, 546 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: they were kids, two to four kids in a room, 547 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 4: and weekends, you know, you had to do your homework. 548 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 6: I mean, there was really not a lot. 549 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: Of TLC going around, and I was I was spoiled 550 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 4: in certain ways. 551 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, And for people who don't know this, before Nick 552 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 9: Volty built what became the Voltary Academy and is now 553 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 9: a MG academy. He was running this out of a 554 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 9: kind of rough around the Edges Tennis Club. So this 555 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 9: wasn't exactly a facility sort of set up to take 556 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 9: in kids. 557 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 6: Even local Paris insign releases. I mean, it was like 558 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 6: the wild West. They sent kids down there. 559 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: He got a second hand bus. 560 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 6: He was busting kids around. 561 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 4: My parents gave me a light blue Chevy money Carlo 562 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: I was driving kids in the car. I mean, it 563 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 4: was it was crazy, but it was, you know, a 564 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 4: wonderful time. 565 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 6: We all worked really hard. The pros were great. 566 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 4: You had, you know, two or three kids from one 567 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: pro and they worked us hard, and you. 568 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 6: Know, it was just it was a really fun time. 569 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds kind of wild. 570 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 6: Oh oh wow. 571 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 5: Who were some of the people that were there, like 572 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 5: in pivotal times one or two years that you were 573 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 5: like God, thank god they were here, or God, I 574 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 5: hate them, or you know, like which ones you know, 575 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 5: players do you remember because we all grew up in 576 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 5: sort of academy like atmos Well not everybody, but some 577 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 5: of us have, and so there's certain people that were 578 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 5: always pushing you or pushing your buttons or thank God, 579 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 5: they were there, like do you remember well too? 580 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 4: I mean I started sophomore second semester of my sophomore year, 581 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 4: and then a couple months later, Jimmy Arias came down. 582 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 6: So then Jimmy moved into Nick's house. 583 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: And then shortly after that, Polancomb came down, and so 584 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 4: Paul was there. 585 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 6: Low Oriah was there, was who. 586 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 4: Was a lot of fun and didn't speak a lot 587 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 4: of English at the time, and he was a character. 588 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 6: And then Kathleen Morvac came down. 589 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 4: Then Pam Cassal came down, and then when I left, 590 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 4: then I went to USC to college. And then I remember, 591 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: you know, going back to Florida from time to time 592 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: and people be, oh, it's getting big now, so and 593 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 4: so it's coming. Then Christine came down, so you know, 594 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: slowly more and more kids were coming. And you know, 595 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: back then, you had Port Washington in New York, which 596 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: was kind of an academy. 597 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 6: You had Hotman's and then. 598 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 4: You had people that were with Landscorp out West, but 599 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 4: you really didn't have I mean, you had you know, 600 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 4: Chris Everts dad in Miami, and you had a group 601 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 4: of kids that came out of there, but there you know, 602 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 4: there weren't really like it is today where everybody has 603 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: an academy and all that. 604 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 6: And Nick was smart. 605 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: He took all these kids that were from cold climates 606 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: and said, hey, if you can practice three to four 607 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: hours a day instead of three to four hours a week, 608 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 4: and sure enough, like anything you put that kind of 609 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 4: time in, there's going to be improvement, You're going to 610 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 4: get better. 611 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 6: And he put us all against each other and created. 612 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 4: All this tension and competition and yeah, and everybody got 613 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: really good. 614 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: Who was the person you hated the most? 615 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 6: Party? I didn't. I didn't. 616 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: Who was the. 617 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 5: Person that you played against? You like, god, if I 618 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 5: can beat her, and no, I'm going to be good. 619 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 10: You know. 620 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 4: I You know, there are a few people that I 621 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 4: played in juniors that I never beat, like Tracy Austin 622 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 4: and Pam you know, and juniors I'd lost in three 623 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 4: sets to both of them, and I never quite beat 624 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: them in singles. But you know, I was always setting 625 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 4: my own standards for for really wanting to be as 626 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: good as I could be. 627 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 6: And I didn't really really dislike. 628 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 11: People, It's just I wanted to, Well, you're a good 629 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 11: diplomat for the job you're currently doing well, you're not. 630 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 9: But I want to talk a little bit about college tennis, 631 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 9: because obviously it was a different time you played it. 632 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 9: You see, getting a springboard from the NCAA level into 633 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 9: the pro level. It's kind of happening here and there 634 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 9: now again. But there was a time when I was 635 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 9: growing up watching your tapriotes. Your Hingus's college wasn't even 636 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 9: remotely on the map. But for you that was a 637 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 9: stepping stone. And was it an obvious one or did 638 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 9: you kind of think, well, let me cool my heels 639 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 9: here for a little bit and maybe I'll try to 640 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 9: go pro immediately. What was your thing about that? 641 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: Oddly enough, my parents and Nick had they set up 642 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: all night and they had a huge argument, really all night, 643 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 4: and Nick was insistent that I turned pro. He didn't 644 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: want me to go to college, and my parents put 645 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: their foot down and said, you know, we want her 646 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: to go to school. And I'm so glad I did 647 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 4: because it is brutal out there. And I made some 648 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 4: of the best friends of my life to this day. 649 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 6: At USC, I joined a sorority. 650 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: I had fun, and you know, freshman year we were 651 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 4: undefeated and national champs, and I had to grow up 652 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 4: a little bit. 653 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I'd let a sheltered life life and traveled 654 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 6: and all that. But I mean, you know how it is, Renee. 655 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: I mean, you're not You're not making a ton of 656 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 4: decisions for yourself and learning about the real real world 657 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 4: out there. 658 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 6: And you know, I went out to Los Angeles. 659 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 4: I mean now I say to my parents and I'm like, 660 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 4: oh my god, you sent me the Knicks. You send 661 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: me to sc which isn't the worst take. I'm like, yeah, 662 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you all thinking. They're like where 663 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: you wanted to go. And I was like, oh my goodness, yeah, totally. 664 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: They probably like they're fun. 665 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 6: You turned out just yeah, totally, so totally. 666 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 9: But did you feel like you gained friendship experience did 667 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 9: your tennis game improve? 668 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 3: Because I would imagine that was probably Nick's counterpoint, right. 669 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 6: You're gonna yeah, not at the next level. 670 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 4: I was playing some pro tournaments and you know, my 671 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 4: ranking was I only remember I was still an amateur 672 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 4: and I was having fun. I mean I never really thought, oh, 673 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 4: I want to be a pro tennis player. I always 674 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: just sort of, oh my gosh, I may then get 675 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 4: a college scholarship. Wow, I can get to California. I mean, 676 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 4: I was like, my whole thing was, I don't want 677 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 4: to be cold. I want to go where it's for 678 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 4: you know, it's Florida or California. And so then when 679 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 4: I started some pro tournaments, like my freshmen and sophomore 680 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 4: year in college, all of a sudden, I'm thirty five 681 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: in the world on the pro circuit and I'm still 682 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 4: in college. 683 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 6: And then I'm g was calling and all that, and 684 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 6: then it was like, wow, maybe I am going to 685 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 6: go to Wimbledon. You know this is gonna happen, But 686 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 6: you know. 687 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 4: For me, it seemed so far away and so like, 688 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: you know, outside the realm of conception. 689 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, like yeah, I think some people don't realize that. 690 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 5: There are some players that certainly, you know, at the 691 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 5: age of five, they're getting told they'ren to win Woblon 692 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 5: and some of them actually do believe that, and actually 693 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 5: that happens. 694 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: You know, talk about Serena saying she want to be 695 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: another one in the world, and this is when she 696 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: was like ten. And I mean, there are people that 697 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: really set their sights on that is it. But I would. 698 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 5: Say the majority of players, their aspirations are to play 699 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 5: at Wimbledon or at a French Open or at a 700 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 5: Grand Slam, and then there's thinking how well can I do? 701 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 5: And then if it actually does happen where you win 702 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 5: a Slam in singles or doubles, you just like, holy shit, 703 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 5: I can't believe actually happened to me. Yeah, and not 704 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 5: like I can't believe it like I'm not good enough, 705 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 5: Like wow, I cannot believe if I look back to 706 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 5: twenty years ago when I was ten and you said 707 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 5: you're definitely gonna win, I know for fact, you'd be 708 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 5: like really like it's so you can't conceptualize that as 709 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 5: a kid. So but some do and some manifest it 710 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 5: and they are incredible. 711 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 4: And I just think it's more realistic that, you know, 712 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 4: I knew that, Well, you're you're normal. 713 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 5: That's a normal, but that's a normal reaction. 714 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 715 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 4: And also I also didn't train as I could have trained. 716 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: I was gifted, you know, it was a good athlete 717 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 4: because of the hand eye thing, and. 718 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 6: And I just and I didn't want to sacrifice everything 719 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 6: in my life. 720 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 4: I really I just saw what it took and what 721 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: those and I just thought, that's not me, you know, 722 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 4: I want to do other things. 723 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 6: Do you want to have interesting? 724 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 10: Yeah? 725 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 9: And I you know, so flash forward we're at You're 726 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 9: on the tour. You got those calls from IAMG, you 727 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 9: got the calls from the agents. You are thirty five 728 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 9: in the world but still playing into the wa TWNA. 729 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 9: Was there a moment where you sort of said, Okay, 730 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 9: now I got to dive in. Now I gotta plunge in. Yeah, 731 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 9: I owe it to myself to just see what this 732 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 9: is That was that how it felt. 733 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: It Well, it was just like this is you know, 734 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 4: this is you know you're up and this is this 735 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: is this is the time because I seeing other players 736 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 4: that had stayed in school and not taken that that 737 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 4: chance and then their ranking dropped and then they finished 738 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 4: school and then you realize it's like, look, I got 739 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 4: to catch that train. If I only catch that train, 740 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 4: I'm not going to get to where I. 741 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 6: Need to go. 742 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: And so. 743 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 4: You know, that's that was the decision I made and 744 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: didn't start out well at all, I mean, and once 745 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: I got out there, it was like whoa, you know, 746 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 4: this is for real? 747 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 6: Now this is. 748 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: This episode of the Racket Magazine podcast is brought to 749 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: you by Sergio Tacchini, revitalizing and disrupting the status quo 750 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: since nineteen sixty six. Follow them on Instagram at Sergia 751 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: Tikini Underscore Official and go to Sergia Tichini dot com 752 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: for more. Enter the promo code racket mag at checkout 753 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: and you'll get thirty off your order. 754 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 9: So how how long did it take you to get 755 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 9: your footing under you? 756 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 6: Couple of years? 757 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 4: Every years, you know, to really understand you know, you 758 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 4: know how you pick your tournaments, you know how you 759 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 4: travel and what surfaces. I mean, you know there's a 760 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 4: lot that you know, it's a whole science to figure 761 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 4: out how pap when you need to. 762 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 9: It's just it's not just heading balls. Yeah, yeah, And 763 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 9: did you feel like I mean, obviously we have to 764 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 9: talk about the bodysuit. 765 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: It's a bold, ballsy thing. How much can you tell 766 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: us about it? 767 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 9: How what there is an iconic image that will accompany 768 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 9: this podcast episode. Let's talk about and white bodysuit Wimbledon 769 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 9: as much as you want to say, get us, get 770 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 9: us the full picture? 771 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 6: All right? 772 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 4: Well, I was dating Ian Hamilton, who was the head 773 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 4: the global marketing ahead of Nike, and he gave me 774 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: these paneled tights. I have on tights right now because 775 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 4: I love them. I'm five to eleven and tall. To 776 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 4: keep my legs warm, and he gave me these tights. 777 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 4: It was in nineteen eighty five, and they kept my 778 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 4: legs warm, and so it was a joke one day 779 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 4: to him. I said, can you imagine a white body 780 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 4: super Wimbledon. Wouldn't that be funny? And it was your idea. Yeah, 781 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 4: he said, oh, yeah, that would be great. 782 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 6: Well, everybody go nuts there. 783 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: They would hate that. 784 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 6: That would just be you know. So I didn't really 785 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 6: think anything of it. 786 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 4: And then we went to the French Open and we 787 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 4: met a guy named Carlo Grippa who was ahead of 788 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 4: Nike Italy and he's a real character. He'd been in 789 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 4: the Olympics for track and field himself, so he was 790 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 4: an athlete. And and I really explained because Ian had 791 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 4: given me the tights during the winter circuit when it 792 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 4: was cold. We're playing in like Chicago and Boston and 793 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 4: places like that. You're tall, you know exactly what we're 794 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: talking about. And I really and I really liked how 795 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 4: they made my. 796 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 6: Legs feel warmer and possibly prevent injury and all that. 797 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 6: And in circular. So anyhow, Carlos and I'll get it made. 798 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 6: I'll get it made, and oh, I take that back. 799 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 6: I jumped forward a little bit. Ian went. 800 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 4: I was in a contract with Pony, so before we 801 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 4: met Carlo, he went to Nike to tell them, you know, 802 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 4: my great idea, so I thought. 803 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 6: And you want to buy her contract out? And they 804 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 6: just kind of left and said no thanks. 805 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 4: And then so then we went to the Friends Open 806 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 4: and met Carlo and then he was you know, contraband I'll. 807 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 6: Get it made. I'll get it made. And so he 808 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 6: got it made and then send it. 809 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 4: Oh, he says, I'll send it to your flat in 810 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 4: London and blah blah blah blah blah. 811 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 6: Well it rained the first three days. 812 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 4: I was playing Shriver the first round and we were 813 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 4: scheduled the first day and then it didn't show up 814 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 4: till Thursday morning. 815 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 6: I didn't play till Thursday. Oh my god. 816 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: It was Destiny. 817 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 3: Shows up in your room and you're like, well, I 818 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: guess I gotta go. 819 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, it came. 820 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 5: It was the first thought though, when it did come 821 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 5: and you hadn't played a first round where you're liked. 822 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: Were you were like, fuck, I'm really going to do this. 823 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 4: Well, when I put one suit on, I was definitely 824 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 4: not going to do it because it was so sheer. 825 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 6: I was like, I can't do it. He sent to 826 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 6: think he had made two. 827 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 4: And one was sleeveless and then the other one was 828 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 4: long sleeve, and there was no way I could wear 829 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 4: just one. 830 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 6: So I had two suits on. 831 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: You've wore two simultaneous bodysuits. 832 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, it. 833 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 5: Was actually, Yeah, how great would have been if you've 834 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 5: gotten hot you just stripped off one. They think you 835 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 5: go naked and they're like, well, well calm down, all 836 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 5: in unclock got the one underneath. 837 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 3: Controversial. 838 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 6: They weren't put you on the wall forever. So then 839 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 6: a dear friend of mine, were they hot with the 840 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 6: two on? 841 00:36:59,600 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 3: No? 842 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 6: Because it was cooler today. We didn't start till seven 843 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 6: o'clock at night. It's always often cold at wimbled Yeah. 844 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 6: And then you know, because it stayed light late, we 845 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 6: didn't start till like seven, yeah, and so it was freezing. 846 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 6: It doesn't take much for you know, I don't like 847 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 6: being cold at all. 848 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 9: You know, fifty two it was cold, so you didn't 849 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 9: feel impeded, he felt if you weren't self conscious. 850 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 6: I mean it's a well yeah, hold on, hold on. 851 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 12: So you put the two suits on in your in 852 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 12: your room and you're like, no, no, I changed in 853 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 12: the shower in the at wimbled yeah, in the middle 854 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 12: of locker room, and I had Robin White and Mary 855 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 12: Lou Daniels, two of my freaking doubles partners. 856 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 6: They were on the they're on the stunt, they were 857 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 6: on the lookout. So I was in the shower and 858 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 6: they were laughing. They were like, oh, you've done it 859 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 6: now wait to go. 860 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 2: Yea wait wait, So you get changed in the shower. 861 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, then I put a track put a tracksuit on 862 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 4: over the top pants as well. 863 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so you got pants on the top on. 864 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 6: So nobody knows what nobody and Ian walked me to 865 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 6: the court. 866 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 4: So once I got out of the locker room, he 867 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 4: saw that I got to the court and nobody really knew. 868 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 3: And so then here we are. 869 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 6: You're like, slowly no. Then we warmed up. 870 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 3: You didn't you didn't worked up in your suit. 871 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 6: I worked up in the tracks. Then at that point 872 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 6: I thought my heart might explode. I'm like, I've really 873 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 6: done it. I'm gonna have a heart attack. And die right. 874 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 4: Heart was beating when you're playing Pam, Yeah yeah, and Pam, Pam, 875 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 4: you know, Pam and I go way back to junior 876 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 4: or so she she was not thrilled. So so then 877 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 4: so then the the Empire said prepare to play, and 878 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 4: so I went over and I took off the suit 879 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 4: and then literally this guy he turned purple and I 880 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 4: thought we were the paddles out to revive him and 881 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 4: me with the heart attack. 882 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 3: Wait, were there like audible gas? 883 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 6: Well, people were like, well yeah, and they just go. 884 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 6: And then she served the first game, and I shank. 885 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 5: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait before she started though, because 886 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 5: this is my So you take the suit off and 887 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 5: you walk back and does she say anything? 888 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 6: Does PAMs just like gave me a look. 889 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 13: Click yeah, and two big chicks out there six feet 890 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 13: just three totally slugfest. 891 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, so she looks at you. She walks back 892 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: to SEB. 893 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 4: And You're like, oh, yeah, here we go, and Mary 894 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 4: Lowin and Robin are laughing. I can see them over 895 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 4: in the sands of blacks so high, you know, and 896 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 4: I'm just oh my god. So anyhow, then she serves 897 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 4: the first game, and I'm I shank balls. 898 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 6: I mean, I just I can't barely hit the ball. 899 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 6: I was so nervous. And then I court, do you 900 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 6: remember the score? 901 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 9: Two? 902 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 4: And then the rule is once you play one point, 903 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 4: they can't make you change close, which I found out. 904 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 6: Wow, I can't believe they didn't get out there sooner. Yeah, 905 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 6: So then I lost the first set bad. 906 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 4: I didn't play well the first set, and then the 907 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 4: second set, I came back, was down two match points 908 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 4: and I came back in a tiebreaker seven. 909 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 6: Six, and I was on the fly. I was playing 910 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 6: so well, and then all of a sudden, they look 911 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 6: and we're losing the light. I mean, it sits down 912 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 6: and I'm like, dang. 913 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 4: And Alan Mills walks up and he talks to the 914 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 4: empire and he said match is being called due to darkness. 915 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 4: We zoom tomorrow morning at eleven o'clock. And then he 916 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 4: says to me, and he says, we need to. 917 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 6: Have to take a little walk to the office. So 918 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 6: you're the princes, and here we go. I'm going to 919 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 6: be kicked out of Wimbledon. I'm gonna be fine. 920 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 4: And then the serious trouble and I love Allan, Yeah, 921 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 4: and he was very nice and we walked and then 922 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 4: he said, we have to ask you not to wear 923 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 4: that again, and it's not suitable attire in the is 924 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 4: England club. And I told him, you know, a fashion 925 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 4: of function and you know all you know my uh 926 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 4: my whole spiel for selling the bodysuit, and uh he's 927 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 4: at the end. 928 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 6: He said, you understand, and I said, yes, I do. 929 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 4: So the next day then it was even cooler. The 930 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 4: next morning we played and I lost six three and 931 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 4: the third and just in a skirt and a top, solime. 932 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 3: It on Alan Alan you could have you were all 933 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 3: old there. 934 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 6: And also the later rule. 935 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 9: Yeah, the like you'll say, two glorious sets, well, one 936 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 9: glorious sets and two technical sets in an outfit that 937 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 9: hadn't been seen until three years ago at the Front 938 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 9: Shoe Open, which also caused controversy. 939 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 3: So it's just meant to be. 940 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 6: We'll have to bring it back somehow. 941 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 5: It's time. 942 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 6: It's time Capsule collection. 943 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think the racket racket. 944 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 11: I think, you know, no pressure, but I think we're 945 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 11: gonna have a business chat after this. 946 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 2: We need to have people tweet us, ride us and 947 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 2: let us know. 948 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, would you guys would buy the bodysuit. Let's let 949 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 3: us know, we'll put some into production. So I want 950 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 3: to fast. 951 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 9: Forward a little bit because you had an incredible career. 952 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 2: You play a second. 953 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 6: Wait but before this, okay, after this, I. 954 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 5: Mean it was controversial and it was a huge story. 955 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: I mean everybody heard about it. 956 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 5: It was like a big deal if you bring this up, 957 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 5: like to anyone that go, oh the white bodies, right, 958 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 5: I mean, anyone who knows anything about tennis. 959 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 2: What was it like like after the match? 960 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 5: And because you know, obviously it's not social media, can 961 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 5: you imagine now becase holy ship? Like you'd be a mean, 962 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 5: you know you're a give give may you probably are, 963 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 5: but like, did you feel like it it changed anything 964 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 5: about you? 965 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 6: Like, yeah, it did. 966 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 4: It actually did because I had been gotten a little complacent, 967 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 4: and it. 968 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 6: Made me train harder. 969 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 4: And I was like, you know what, get into the 970 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 4: you know, because I I thought, wow, you know, my 971 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 4: bbituary has already been written. Now I better do something. 972 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 4: And and and I just you know, I wanted to, 973 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 4: you know, have a little stronger career and and and 974 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 4: play a little better. 975 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 12: And I thought because you were morennoticed, well you know, 976 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 12: and and also I didn't want to just be the 977 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 12: girl that dude. 978 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I had a pretty good junior career and 979 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 4: good collegiate career and then you know, it was in 980 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 4: the sixties and I wanted to you know, I thought, realistically, 981 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 4: I can get in the top twenty. I mean, I 982 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 4: thought I can get in the top twenty, and I did. 983 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 4: I got to nineteen, and I wanted to win a 984 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 4: tournament singles, and I said, you know, everyone said, oh, 985 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 4: you're you're a double's player, You'll never want a tournament singles. 986 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 4: And then like you watch, and so I started training 987 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 4: with John Lloyd a little bit and working out with 988 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 4: this trainer and running the perimeter UCLA and really pushing 989 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 4: myself hard, which I hadn't done. 990 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 6: And six weeks later, I wont tournament singles. 991 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 5: So that was. 992 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a year, that last year that I played. 993 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 5: You know, do you regret that, like looking back on it, like, 994 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 5: there's certain things about my career, certainly in singles, that 995 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,240 Speaker 5: I do regret, and one of them was not working 996 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 5: harder when I was younger. Yeah, I worked very hard, 997 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 5: but it took I'm talking about twenty. 998 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 3: Four to twenty five is when I really started to 999 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 3: push myself. 1000 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 5: A lot in singles, but prior to that, I relied 1001 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 5: on my talent and I was kind of having too 1002 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 5: much fun and people. I wanted people to like me, 1003 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 5: and I was just whatever, you know, as opposed to 1004 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 5: But I was always a good doublesplayer, but singles, I 1005 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 5: do regret that about my career, you know, do you 1006 00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 5: regret it a little bit looking. 1007 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 2: Back on. 1008 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 6: You know, I my game was limited. 1009 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 4: You know, I had a weak backhand, you know, I 1010 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 4: mean I started out with the two handed growing up. 1011 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 4: Then I went to a one hander and went back 1012 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 4: to the head and just like me have a good, 1013 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 4: good drop shot, and so I had a weakness in 1014 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 4: my game, and you know, I was I really wanted 1015 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 4: to win a tournament. 1016 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 6: And then I also saw. 1017 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 4: What happens when you you you past your prime and 1018 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 4: then people are playing qualifying And I never played qualifying 1019 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 4: at wimbledonner and I didn't want to be that person. 1020 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 6: You know, that was not the way I wanted to 1021 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 6: go out. 1022 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 4: And so I felt pretty darn good that, you know, 1023 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 4: I got to top twenty. 1024 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 6: And the only regret that I really really have is Wimbledon. 1025 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 4: I think it was eighty four and I had got 1026 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 4: into the finals of the Birmingham tournament and lost to 1027 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 4: Pam and then I first round, I had two match 1028 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 4: points against a qualifier, the Swedish girl in Carlson or 1029 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 4: something like that, and I lost and she went out 1030 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 4: to quarters. And that was my opportunity where I really 1031 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,760 Speaker 4: ungrasped was I was a strong player and I could 1032 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 4: have gotten to the quarters because I didn't get in 1033 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 4: the final light there, I mean the final light club 1034 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 4: in the French in the US Open, but only got 1035 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 4: to the quarters at Wimbledon. 1036 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 6: So that I'm kind of bummed about. But other than that, 1037 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just grateful. 1038 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 4: I look back on it now and I'm like, oh 1039 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 4: my god, I can't believe I did all that, you know. 1040 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 9: So especially because you made such a concerted effort to 1041 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 9: do okay with the goals, especially top twenty when a 1042 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 9: single surtament. I mean, that's what's always remarkable to me 1043 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 9: is just you know, how much could we do when 1044 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 9: we just decide. I read about these women who marathon 1045 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 9: who are sort of amateur marathon or was like, I'm 1046 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 9: going to qualify one of them. Just qualified for the Olympics, 1047 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 9: just because you don't think it's in your conception and 1048 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 9: your ability to do that. 1049 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, when it becomes. 1050 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 9: Something that is a goal, you're amazed how much your 1051 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 9: body responds. 1052 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 3: Shifting a little bit. When we first met, and you. 1053 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 9: Were gracious enough to have you at the club, and 1054 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,720 Speaker 9: I want to get to that in a minute. 1055 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 10: And your game is you hit me up the court. 1056 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 10: Obviously you walked away from the game for a time. 1057 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 10: You had a moment where you didn't have you you 1058 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 10: sort of needed to put the rackets down business. 1059 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 9: What what was it that sort of your time away 1060 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 9: kind of gave to you and what brought you back? 1061 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 4: I just seemed I was just started traveling. 1062 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 6: I just didn't want to do it anymore. 1063 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I just felt like I didn't know the 1064 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 4: difference between a Wednesday and a Saturday. 1065 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 6: And I got as good as I was going to get. 1066 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 4: I mean, I realized that I'm only going to get 1067 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 4: any better, and I didn't want to be that person, 1068 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 4: as I said earlier. 1069 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 6: So and then I had an other interest. 1070 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 4: So you know, I worked for Ralph Lauren in New 1071 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,280 Speaker 4: York and la and then got in the watch business. 1072 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 6: And I love time pieces. And antique cameras and that 1073 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 6: sort of thing. 1074 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 4: So I worked for Cartier and you're the culture and 1075 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 4: the wholesale watch business. 1076 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 2: How did you get into the all of that? 1077 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 9: Look? 1078 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 4: I was called by Headhunter for something else and then 1079 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 4: they said, well what would you like to do and 1080 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 4: I said, well, I like watches and they said, oh, 1081 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 4: well the Cardia person is coming. And so one thing 1082 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 4: led to another. 1083 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 5: And is that from your connections with tennis or is 1084 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 5: that business isn't through tennis? 1085 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 4: Was just through ahead Hunter. They went to me for 1086 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 4: some some tan working for some tan lotion or whatever. 1087 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 2: So did they know you because you were fullmer tennis mode? 1088 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 6: Not at all. This is someone they just called out 1089 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 6: of the blue, because I think. 1090 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I you know, I'd gone to work, like 1091 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 4: I said, for Ralph Lauren in New York and LA 1092 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,919 Speaker 4: and then ended up working. 1093 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 6: For Cartier and. 1094 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 4: Yego La Culture and then I traveled one hundred and 1095 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 4: fifty then I was born. 1096 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 6: You were traveling one hundred and fifty thousand miles a year. Wow. 1097 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 4: Working for Yego Culture for ten years and I hit 1098 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 4: the wall. I just I hit the wall, and I 1099 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 4: was like because of tennis and this, I felt like 1100 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 4: a gypsy. I'm like, you know what, you know, this 1101 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 4: is enough and I and I just didn't want to 1102 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,959 Speaker 4: be at the airport anymore. And so I took time 1103 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 4: off and did some other things. 1104 00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 6: And then. 1105 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 4: Was my parents have a home in Florida on one 1106 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 4: book key because they bought a home years ago because 1107 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 4: I was down there for my tennis and it was 1108 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 4: right across from the colony, and that's the beach I walk. 1109 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 4: And I had lunch with Nick because he came to 1110 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 4: my dad's seventy fifth birthday and we stayed in touch 1111 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 4: obviously all these years. And then I went saw the 1112 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 4: IMG Academy and we had lunch and I said, you know, 1113 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 4: holy shit, Nick, I said, somebody needs to do a 1114 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 4: movie on you. 1115 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 6: I said, let me, let me, let me go back 1116 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 6: to LA and see what I could do. 1117 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 4: So one of my dear friends is Jill Mazerski, who's 1118 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 4: done a bunch of films, and I spoke to her 1119 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 4: about Nick, and she said, great, let's see what we 1120 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 4: can do. 1121 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 6: Let's see what we can do. 1122 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 4: And then one thing led to another and we found 1123 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 4: a great director and we're able to pull this together 1124 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 4: and we're shut down twice, which almost almost didn't happen, 1125 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 4: and then spent three and a half years really and 1126 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,919 Speaker 4: I was very passionate about it because of my time 1127 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,760 Speaker 4: that I spent with Nick and I see what's happened 1128 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 4: to and also because I feel strongly that American Tenants, 1129 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 4: except for the Williams Sisters, was in. 1130 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 6: Its heyday with when Nick. 1131 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,800 Speaker 4: When Nick had all the players there and it was 1132 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,280 Speaker 4: KOOKI is all get out. But he created that drive 1133 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 4: and that passion and that intensity, and it was. 1134 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 6: Almost too many academies now, oh for sure. 1135 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 4: And there's something about Nick that is so unique that 1136 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 4: it will never happen again. I mean, it was like 1137 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 4: that perfect just a storm, a perfect recipe of everything 1138 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 4: coming together at the right time. And I wanted to 1139 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 4: get that story out and really tell how this all 1140 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 4: came together and what. 1141 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,760 Speaker 6: All he did. And so I put the movie together. 1142 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 4: And then we happened to have all our meetings at 1143 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 4: the Beverly Hills Tennis Club and then the president of 1144 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 4: the club is my ear nose and throat doctor, and 1145 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 4: he said, oh. 1146 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 6: Russell's leaving. 1147 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,879 Speaker 4: Russell since had been the pro for seventeen years, and 1148 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 4: Russell was leaving, would you what do you think? And 1149 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 4: I said, we'll shoot of a hanging around Nick for 1150 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 4: three and a half years. 1151 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 6: I mean, let me see. 1152 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 4: So I never ever thought i would be doing what 1153 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 4: I'm doing now, and I've never had so much fun. 1154 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I worked with so many great kids and 1155 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 4: it's just a blast. And the club is just a 1156 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,760 Speaker 4: you know, was started by Graucho Marx and Charlie Chaplin 1157 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 4: ninety years ago because they didn't let them in La 1158 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,360 Speaker 4: Tennis Club, so they started their own club. It's a 1159 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 4: great club, and it's it's a cute little throwback club 1160 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 4: and wonderful people. And you know, hopefully I'm helping some 1161 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 4: people with their tennis games. 1162 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 6: And I take these kids that've had two matches this. 1163 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 4: Past weekend with the kids team, they're like, you know, three, 1164 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,359 Speaker 4: nine and eleven, and they'll come off the going, hey, 1165 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 4: I got bagel and I got bagel, and you know, 1166 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's a lot of fun and 1167 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 4: keeps me fairly fit and fairly well. 1168 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,399 Speaker 9: Let me ask you a more question about love being zero, 1169 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,720 Speaker 9: which is amazing. 1170 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 3: If anybody hasn't seen it, who's listening to this? 1171 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 9: Nominated for an Emmy, you had accolade, after accolade, you 1172 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 9: got shut down. You almost didn't happen. This basically, as 1173 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 9: far as I can understand, that came together because. 1174 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 3: Literally your force of will. What for people like us 1175 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,280 Speaker 3: who know. 1176 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 7: Some of the story about Nick I trained a voluntary 1177 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 7: for a little bit when I was a junior. For 1178 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 7: those of us in the world, it captured something really 1179 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 7: amazing about that time. But what I love about it 1180 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 7: is it talks to everybody and what do you think 1181 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 7: The response and the accolades. 1182 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 9: It's gotten from people who haven't spent a lot of 1183 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,279 Speaker 9: time in our world. 1184 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 3: Means you know what, what what does that feel like? 1185 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 3: And how did that kind of take form? 1186 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 6: Well? I know Nick. 1187 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 4: You know Nick's character, and he said people stop him 1188 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,839 Speaker 4: all the time, now said Nick, we loved your movie. 1189 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 6: You loved your movie. 1190 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 4: You know. 1191 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 6: I think he was. 1192 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 4: Very honest and authentic, and it was it was difficult 1193 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 4: some of the stuff that he went through, but he 1194 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:55,839 Speaker 4: got to really speak his mind and and and he 1195 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 4: was confronted with some bad choices. 1196 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 6: That he made, you know, And. 1197 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 3: Did he seem to understand that? 1198 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1199 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 6: I think he did. And no, no, I think he did. 1200 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 4: I mean at the end, you know when he tears 1201 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 4: up a little bit about what what happened with Andre 1202 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 4: and you know it's but you know, as you know, 1203 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 4: the coach player relationship is walking the tight wire and 1204 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 4: at any moment you can get yanked either way. And 1205 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 4: it's a tough dance. And I think Nick never charged 1206 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 4: me a penny. 1207 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 6: Wow. 1208 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 4: For two and a half years, my parents paid to 1209 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 4: live with the family, but Nick never charged me. I 1210 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 4: was one of many, many, many students, great students that 1211 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,840 Speaker 4: he had during the course of the film, going to 1212 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 4: dinner parties or. 1213 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 6: Talking to various people all across the country. 1214 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 4: There wasn't anyone that I that I didn't encounter that 1215 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 4: hadn't had their child go to Voltaarity. 1216 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 5: I think state looking back on it for him as 1217 00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,319 Speaker 5: a business obviously, as a business proposition, that's he made 1218 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 5: his mistakes based on idealism. 1219 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting, not on prasticality, oh for sure. 1220 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,280 Speaker 5: I mean Nick was a great motivator, coach, terrible businessman, 1221 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 5: you know. 1222 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 2: What I mean. 1223 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 5: Like if he could go back fifty years, you know, 1224 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 5: forty years and say all right, this is how we're 1225 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 5: going to do this again. Well, yeah, you're going to 1226 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 5: you're going to run the tennis, but you need someone 1227 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,840 Speaker 5: to run your business. 1228 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 4: But you know, he was a pioneer, always wanted to 1229 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 4: one of the first to do that, and I think 1230 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 4: it wasn't even a business model. Yeah, and so I 1231 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,399 Speaker 4: think also, you know, Nick has no review mirror. I mean, 1232 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 4: I think he does a little bit now, but he 1233 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,880 Speaker 4: really didn't then. It was just onto the next player, 1234 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,319 Speaker 4: and that's who he was on too, the next and 1235 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,799 Speaker 4: on to the next. And yet there's this huge heart 1236 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 4: that wants to help every kid and let me help you, 1237 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 4: let me and he just didn't think. 1238 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 6: It through, you know, clearly, that's what I mean. But 1239 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,240 Speaker 6: yet at the end of the day. 1240 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 4: As a coach and a teacher, there's a unique bond 1241 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,240 Speaker 4: that all of us have that that went to next 1242 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 4: that you know, knew that. 1243 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 6: It was a cookie cookie thing, but yet it was 1244 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,240 Speaker 6: like very magical. 1245 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,440 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like, are you and Jimmy areas 1246 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 4: Like do you see Jimmy. 1247 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,319 Speaker 3: You have a probably very intense bond because of. 1248 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 6: This, right. I also, were there there anybody that went 1249 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 6: to next? I mean we just kind of go, oh 1250 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,240 Speaker 6: my gosh. 1251 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,319 Speaker 5: You know, there was a lot I mean even like 1252 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 5: Anne Grossman, who's here coaching. You know, she went there 1253 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 5: with during Andre's time and those guys and they were 1254 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 5: like fourteen and thirteen years of age, and here comes 1255 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 5: Backer and w was in there. 1256 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 6: All of the players that came through. 1257 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the one thing about now is that 1258 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,399 Speaker 2: I think there are. 1259 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:44,319 Speaker 5: Too many academies because you you dilute, right whereas Nick, 1260 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,840 Speaker 5: everyone went there, so everyone's pushing themselves. So one of 1261 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 5: the things that Nick had to decide was who's he 1262 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,400 Speaker 5: going to choose, you know, and that became his downfall. 1263 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:54,760 Speaker 6: In a lot of ways. 1264 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. You know, there were so 1265 00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 3: many looks I had the play favorites. 1266 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I loved Nick to death. I mean, you know, 1267 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 5: anytime he walks by. 1268 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 2: Me, he says, hey, coach. 1269 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 6: You know, he just has a passion that is unmistakable. 1270 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 5: But I think that looking back on it, boy, if 1271 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 5: you just had someone organizing this better, it could have 1272 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 5: been so much. 1273 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 4: I mean, it was like the circus that came to him. 1274 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 4: You know, it was just this Nick's doing this. Oh 1275 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 4: my god, boy, he just did that. And you know, 1276 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 4: I mean it was just like I said, Paris and 1277 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 4: sent releases. I mean, it was just a crazy time. 1278 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 4: And that's why I felt that it needed to be 1279 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 4: explained and documented because it gave birth now to you know, 1280 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,760 Speaker 4: the IMG Academy, which is a whole different thing, a professionalization, 1281 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 4: and I would have lasted about two hours there. 1282 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 6: I'm not so sure that that would have been the 1283 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 6: right environment for me. 1284 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 4: And I think, you know, you look at and this 1285 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,960 Speaker 4: is just my little opinion here, but Lansdorp or Sigura 1286 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 4: or Hopman and these kooky guys, the kids, there's something 1287 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 4: magical that happens that gets these kids. It's motivated and 1288 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,240 Speaker 4: you get these cookie cutter places. 1289 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 6: And I'll tell you. 1290 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,239 Speaker 2: What it is. 1291 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 6: It's passion, period, that's it. 1292 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,280 Speaker 2: It's a passion for teaching. 1293 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 5: Nick was a terrible businessman, but he loved to help 1294 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 5: kids and he loved to make them better tennis players. 1295 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 5: And he had that Italian passion that was just like 1296 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 5: never ending. And that's you know Lansdorf. Look, you talk 1297 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,800 Speaker 5: about all those great coaches. 1298 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 6: I mean Lansdore great technique. I think. 1299 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 5: The passion of that technique, yes, like NonStop, that's how 1300 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 5: you're going to. 1301 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 2: Hit it, That's how you're going to hit it. 1302 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 5: That's how that was his vision, you know, NonStop, even 1303 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 5: you know the I think that's the most important thing 1304 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 5: with coaching, And people always ask me, well, what do 1305 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,680 Speaker 5: I tell my kid? 1306 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, find a passionate coach. 1307 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 5: It's the most important thing you can teach your young 1308 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,840 Speaker 5: children because they have to be instilled with that passion. 1309 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 5: And I think Nick gave that to people. You can 1310 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 5: attest to this more than I can. 1311 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 2: But it's like waking up and going, if. 1312 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,400 Speaker 5: I can't have the same passion as Nick, then I 1313 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,399 Speaker 5: might as well just leave. 1314 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah right, I mean yeah, I mean, you know, I 1315 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 4: mean I have to say I'm very passionate. You know, 1316 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 4: work with the kids team. You know, we're the beating 1317 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 4: of season. I say, okay, you know what's our goal? 1318 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,400 Speaker 4: You want to play in your high school team or 1319 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,279 Speaker 4: you're junior high team. 1320 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,360 Speaker 6: You know, we're smart. Start with the small goals. 1321 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 4: But you know they show up to practice all the time, 1322 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 4: they have their uniform, they're out there playing and you know, 1323 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, no, I am trying to make your 1324 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 4: point that it's just like you know, you you can't 1325 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 4: you know, do things. 1326 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,520 Speaker 6: There's no B team, there's no junior varsity. 1327 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,560 Speaker 4: You know, you go, you're all in one hundred percent, 1328 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 4: and I think for any of us that have played 1329 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 4: at that level, that's what takes you know, and you 1330 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,720 Speaker 4: don't just because you stop doing that. You have to 1331 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 4: find a place for that in your life, whether it's 1332 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 4: you know, teaching or playing with super great cameras or. 1333 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 6: You know whatever make you got it and try to find. 1334 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, You've got to find and that's sort of one 1335 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,520 Speaker 4: of the keys to having a fulfilling life, I think. 1336 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 4: I mean that's a good You've got an energy, Yeah, 1337 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 4: you've got a child and yeah, no, no. 1338 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 9: I mean for me, it's about convenience community around this 1339 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 9: sport that I love to make them love it as 1340 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 9: much as I do, so we can widen the tent 1341 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 9: and make the sport healthy because I want people to 1342 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,680 Speaker 9: feel and understand how cool it is. Last question for you, 1343 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 9: were we were going to test out the idea listeners 1344 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,880 Speaker 9: let us know and White Body Suit Reducts twenty twenty one, 1345 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,280 Speaker 9: another film a TV show? 1346 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 3: What do you think what's next for you? 1347 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,760 Speaker 4: That I've got a couple of ideas I'm working on, 1348 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 4: but nothing you know that The film was three and 1349 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 4: a half years and a huge chunk of my childhood 1350 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 4: and you know, completely passionate project and so thrilled with 1351 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 4: what happened. 1352 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,840 Speaker 6: But you know, I'm I'm all in the club now. 1353 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 6: I'm loving club life. 1354 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 4: It's full circle and back to we don't quite have 1355 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 4: the candy snack bar that we just to have. 1356 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 6: The Charleston Tennis Club. 1357 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've eaten that. The food is fantastic. 1358 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, thank you. They have great ice. We're waiting, 1359 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 6: but now I'm having having fun at the club. 1360 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 4: And you know, I've got a couple of little projects 1361 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 4: that I'm working on at doing my super eight little 1362 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 4: videos for Finn and White. 1363 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,280 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for thanks for coming by. I 1364 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,160 Speaker 3: love those stories. 1365 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,160 Speaker 1: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast. 1366 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. 1367 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 1: Our host is Renee Stubbs. 1368 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 3: Our co host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. 1369 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,080 Speaker 1: Music by internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim 1370 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 1: or Jerring and the team at ACAST. Find us at 1371 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: racketmag dot com, slash podcast, and subscribe to us at 1372 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: any of your favorite podcasters