1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks a little? Uh, 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: what's today? Wednesday? Wednesday? Right Wednesdnesday recap show here on 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks and we have the entire game here 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: if you're gonna look down to the end. Here, we've 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: got Rhet Lewis, who's bundled up nice and warm. We've 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: got the birthday boy, Bucky Brooks, and we've got Lanzerline 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: joining us as well here, so we've got the whole 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: birthday birthday? What was your birthday? Was it really? Wow, 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm a bad friend. I shouldn't say Tuesday. Well, yeah, 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: that's a podcast veteran right there, Evergreen Tuesday, Evergreen, keep 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: it evergreen. Uh, let's start with the birthday boy, the 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: the current birthday boy, Buck big takeaway from the day 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: to day Javonna Ken Laws a grown man. I know 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: you've raved about him before, but it's crazy like being 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: down there watching him in one on ones and just 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: watching someone with that kind of length, that kind of power, 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: just trying to envision where you would fit him in 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: any kind of defense. But man, he just stands out 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: and I think in these games is just important that 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: the stars really shun and he is one of the 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: guys that's been shotting lance. Since you're you're the most 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: the second most recent birthday, you get to go second here. 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: What do you think on Kim Law? Whoever you wanted 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: sits your world? Well, just to go hunting. Apparently with 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: this jackie you got on, I can't prepared. Uh, Ken 27 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Law is, Yeah, he's he's a different dude. And now 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: when you watch him up close, you do see you know, 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: I wanted him to beat Chris Jones, and then when 30 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: I see him here, you start to see some of 31 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: the Chris Jones potential. I think this is gonna be 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: pretty mainstream. But I thought Justin Herbert really did a 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: nice job of making the throws he needed to, of 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: showing that he's he's There's no doubt he was gonna 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: be better than Jalen Hurts. He's definitely better, you know, 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Stephen Montez. But he's better than to me, for me, 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks out here on this field currently, I 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: think he's handling himself well. He's making all the throws, 39 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: he's getting through all the progressions. You still don't see 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: him do a lot of stuff off schedule that's not 41 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: really made for that necessarily here, And that's a question 42 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna be able to answer here at 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. But I think he's doing a nice 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: job of maybe performing the way he needs to in 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: front of teams who want to like him, who need 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: quarterback beyond the top six seven picks. It's interesting rep 47 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: what you got. So I watched a line D line 48 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: for the most part today. UM, I was impressed with. 49 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: I was talking to Lance about a couple of these guys, 50 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: Josh Jones, Um, it's nice plays today and one needed 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: to by the way, because yesterday was watching it was 52 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: not good. Yeah, I thought he quit equipped himself pretty 53 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: well today. And then also justin Herron guard out a week, 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: UM watched him in the nine on seven drill just 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: kind of locate on the move poland a little bit 56 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: uh and and just kind of continuing to drive. Um. Also, 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, Lance and I had a funny conversation about 58 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: this with Kenny Willikas. Um his first rep was a winner, Yeah, 59 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: sure was, and he and he he kind of wrecked 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: that night on seven drill with some inside penetration and 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: he had a pretty good rep against Charlie Heck against 62 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: U n C today. Put him on a on a 63 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: on the top a little bit, Uh, spun him around, 64 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: So I don't we don't know where to put him, 65 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. He doesn't do anything exceptionally 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: well right athleticism. I mean, man, he finds a way 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: to make a play. But you look at a stat 68 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: sheet and it's just chalked up, no doubt you made. 69 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: You made the um. The comparison there with Chris Jones 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: and Kindlin, which I love, And I think what's interesting 71 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: is sometimes when you watch a player and doesn't really 72 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: click and you're trying to figure out who he reminds 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: you of? Buck. Do you remember seeing Dave Shawn Hamilton's 74 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: run routes out here in the Penn State. Van Jefferson 75 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: reminds me so much of day Shawn Hamilton? Is it really? 76 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: Shut up? Is it really? It is? Because that's who 77 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: exactly who he looks like out here running so smooth, 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: the hips, all of it. Because he's not gonna black 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: He's I don't think he's gonna destroy the Stopwatch. He's 80 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: not gonna blow you away with that stuff. He's just 81 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: a technician. He's absolute technician out there who's efficient in 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: his movement. And that's what I thought when day Shawn 83 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Hamilton's was here. You're just like, okay, that that guy 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. Yeah, there's something about like craftsman. 85 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: We've talked about the guys that have success in the 86 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: league very very early. We saw it when Cooper Cup. 87 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: We saw it again this year with A. J. Brown. 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: Those guys who kind of understand how to run routes 89 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: consistently get open as young players. And you can see 90 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Van Jefferson is one of those guys. His dad's Sean 91 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: Jefferson is a wide receiver coach. I mean shocking that 92 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: he's got great fundamental to get running figure. But but 93 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: but the thing that really shows shows up is you 94 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: turn on the L s H tape and I mean 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: he gave Stingley everything he wanted. He did it to 96 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: Fulton once and he's clearly a guy who is super competitive. 97 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: Every rep. He considers that a personal upfront against his 98 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: you know, against his uh ability to be a great player. 99 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: So he he attacks every rep with a great deal 100 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: of competitiveness. I really like him. I just I am 101 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: curious about what he's gonna run, and I am curious 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: even if he runs well, can he extend the field 103 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: at all? Or is he just going to be an 104 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: underneath possession guy. He was going up against Darne Holmes, 105 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of repsody. Darnell Holmes, very competitive two days 106 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: in a row. He's had good days. Even even if 107 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: he's giving up catches, don't carries in phase. He's in 108 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: great position there. But since I have you here, Lance selfishly, um, 109 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: even though my birthday it's Bucky Bucky's birthday, selfishly, can 110 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: you give me Darny Holmes, who was going up against 111 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: Van Jefferson talking trash as Jose Lima go. You know, 112 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: I can tell you this right now. You might get 113 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: a certain amount of catch, big time Catchy's great six 114 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: yards nobody care you see, nobody care second and for 115 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: second on for so next time you get it first down, Okay, 116 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: you get more than five hud yards receiving for a 117 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: season one time, great did come talk to me? I 118 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: was number one cornerback in the nation. Right now, Let's 119 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: get to some of these interviews. That's a highlight. Let's 120 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: let's get some of these interviews in the bill. You 121 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: can whisper to me here who we tell who? Was 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: his first interview with Brandon. I you who's not playing 123 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: this week from Arizona State, but is one of my 124 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: favorite players in this draft. Was medically flags so could 125 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: not compete, but we did have a chance to visit 126 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: with him. And here's our conversation. All right, Buck, excited 127 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: to be joined by really one of my favorite players 128 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: in this year's draft class. I feel like I've been 129 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: talking about Brandon for quite some time this year, and 130 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: and Brandon, I want to before I ask you a 131 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: question here, I had to write my top fifty up right, 132 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: so you're you're in there in a good spot. But 133 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: I just wrote your summary last night, So I wanna. 134 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my scoutter report on you. You 135 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: tell me where I'm right, where I'm wrong, what we 136 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: need to do? All right, here we go, h Brandon 137 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: start off. One of my favorite players in the draft class. 138 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Solid muscular frame, plays in a aggressive brand of football, 139 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: explosive in his release attacks, leverage of cornerbacks before suddenly 140 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: snapping off. Doesn't run a variety of routes in this scheme. 141 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: He's very efficient and effective, strong hands, can finish and 142 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: traffic at his best after the catch, breaks tackles, he 143 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: can make people miss without gearing down. Those those skills 144 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: serve him well as a returner. Overall. You need a 145 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: little time to develop as a complete route runner, but 146 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: he's tough, explosive and adds added special teams value. Where 147 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: am I right? Where am I wrong? When you think 148 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: I think, I think you did. I think you were 149 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: pretty spot on. Um, there were some routes that I 150 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: didn't get to run in my offense, but I definitely 151 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: think I I'm able to run those routes. Huh. So 152 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: that's kind of the frustrating part. And I'm being able 153 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: to practice this week, but I have some time to 154 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: definitely sell that, you know. So the one thing DJ 155 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: pointed out that it is always big in the evaluation 156 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: you're ability to run after the catch. Um, where does 157 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: that come from? What is your mentality when you have 158 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: the ball? In years, so I played, I played running back. 159 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: That was my first position from early as I played 160 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: running back and then, uh, I just remember talking with 161 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: some of my coaches and I just um talked about 162 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: my first year not having as many tests as I 163 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: would like. Um, But so I just had the mentality 164 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: of every single time I touched I'm gonna go score 165 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: because this might be the one time I touched it today. 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: So just having that mentality and just my running back background, 167 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: I can see that. Man, that makes a lot of sense. 168 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: I stole buckets pending write that down because you played 169 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: like a running back and then uh, we look at 170 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: what you do as a returner. That ability that background 171 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: is a running back kind of seems to make some 172 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: sense there as well. Just very comfortable in space with 173 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: the football, making things happen. Yeah, definitely. Um, the punt returns, 174 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: kick returns, kick returns pretty much just like playing running back. 175 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: You see it when you but you get to yeah, 176 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: you have options and he's just you have to hit 177 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: the whole dent, you know. And thinking about that the 178 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: running back background in the NBA special with the ball 179 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: in your hands, it reminds me of two people. One 180 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel who played for the Simpson Supportings, and then 181 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: obviously you Tyree Hill. When you watch those guys play 182 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: on Sunday, is there anything about what they do that 183 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: you're taken out of your game? Um? So Deebo, Uh, 184 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: I was just like watching them just they give them 185 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: ball and they give him any type way they can 186 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: get him the ball in every time he touches the ball, 187 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: he makes good things happen. Just incided to watch him play. 188 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: And then Tyree Hill just a burner, um, but also 189 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: he he he was he was a former running back 190 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: as well too, So um when I was watched Tyreek Hill, Uh, 191 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: I watched one of the touchdown the score the other 192 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: day where he was in the in the slot and 193 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: he released him at the line and called down the seam. 194 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: So just yeah, I definitely watched those. To you, guys, 195 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: what do you say to teams? I know you're getting 196 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: this question this week? Obviously to kill Harry there the 197 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: year before gobbled up a lot of that production in 198 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: that offense. Your numbers go to the roof this year. 199 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: Why didn't they make more of an emphasis getting you involved? 200 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: We see what you can do now? Why did they 201 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: do a better job of getting more involved last year? Nikkill? Uh? Nikkill? 202 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Great player. Um. I learned a lot of things for him. 203 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: But ever since when every since he stepped on campus, 204 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: he was kind of just that first round paid guy, 205 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: the first round paid guy. So I can understand where 206 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: it came from. We just want to make sure we 207 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: get this guy the ball, and I was just a 208 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: junior college transfer that hasn't done anything yet. So UM, 209 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: we talked about all the time what we could have 210 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: been if we had each other we were playing at 211 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: the same time, but it was just that was just 212 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: the way things happened to be. UM frustrated though, Like 213 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: I mean, we see your ability in your tools. I 214 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: mean this, You've got first round talent. Going through that season, 215 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: coming off a junior college and not being kind of 216 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: that featured guy. How did you that had to be 217 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: frustrated for you? It was. It was frustrating at times, UM, 218 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: but just having good people around me teaching me and 219 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: telling me or how to go about every day. UM. 220 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: I went through the same situation in junior college. I 221 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: went into a junior college that had two guys that 222 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: already had the Vision one offer, so I kind of 223 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: sat behind one of them for some time, and then UM, 224 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: I was able to when they were left, I had 225 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: my opportunity to sign my sophomore year. So UM, it's 226 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: kind of frustrating, just because I know how important it 227 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: is to have that one year leading up to your 228 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: big year. So I wish I would have had the 229 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: big year leading up to my senior year. But there 230 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: was a reason for everything, and uh, I wouldn't saying 231 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: anything happened for a reason, you know, talk about things 232 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: happening for a reason. UH. Pro program run by Herm Edwards. 233 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: He talked about everything that you guys do is like 234 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: NFL style practice to where you go about your business. 235 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: How is that going to prepare you to have success 236 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: in next level? Every single day and practice? Uh, I'm 237 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: not in some programs talking about the NFL is kind 238 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: of like a soft subject. But at Arizona statement talking 239 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: about every single day. Um, you can't come out to 240 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: practice and not want to practice to day or something. 241 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: A coach will be yelling from the other field. If 242 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: you do that, next year, you'll you won't have a 243 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: job anymore. Um. If you don't run every real good 244 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: UH coach Aline Online coach will be all as you're like, 245 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like everything is just has to 246 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: be spot on, everything has to be perfect. And then 247 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: we just installed that mentality of wanted to compete every 248 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: single day because every single day and then it feels 249 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: a job. Interview and there's next year there's gonna be 250 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: a group of guys. Uh, a guy in this spot 251 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: come and trying to take my job. And it's gonna 252 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: be like that every single year. So just knowing that 253 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: every single day and uh, just having that do those 254 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: conversations and understanding that you play the game with such 255 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: a passion and really almost anger when you get from 256 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: ball in your hands. Are you a talker out there? 257 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: Are you quiet? No? I'm I'm I'm I'm a quiet player? Anybody? 258 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: What do you do when people start talking to you? Um, 259 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: it's just kind of Uh, I understand. I played corner before, 260 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: so I understand what they're doing, so it really doesn't 261 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: bother me. Um. I like when you're playing corner, it's 262 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: kind of like you like to talk just because it 263 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: kind of gets you in that model. But when you 264 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: play receiver, I don't play receiver like that kind of 265 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: gets me out of my mode when I get involved 266 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: in that and going back and forth with a corner. 267 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: So I just have to let my play speak for yourself. 268 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: And then uh, there's not much too much to say 269 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: when you get to be up and down the field. 270 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: So there's one one area of improvement that you want 271 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: to make throughout this this tie up to the draft 272 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: will be the one area that you think you can improve. Um. So, 273 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: like I said, come from junior college. Uh, I was playing. 274 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: I'll just you just really had to beat the guy 275 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: in front of you. Um. There was never you didn't 276 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: really have to understand coverage, you didn't really have to 277 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: understand full concept. So I've been working with my people 278 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: in this pre draft process and just hammering down on 279 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: that and just uh that's probably my main focus right now. 280 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: Four or four five higher or lower we're gonna get 281 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: from you lower? Okay, I just want to send the 282 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: stain And it's that if you if you'd waffled a 283 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: little bit, I said, Okay, I kind of know, but 284 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: there was literally disdain in your in your face right there, 285 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: Like that wasn't so insulting to you? Uh yeah. So 286 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: the comment I've literally every single day I watched the 287 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: common just like I just hear like guys running out 288 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: the comment. I just hear their voice here what they ran. 289 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: I just hear the guys in the background talking about this, 290 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: and I just cannot wait into to run that all 291 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: right now we're talking. I want to say that now 292 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: when you're in on that line. That's what I'm saying. 293 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: He said, he's ready to go. We're getting ready to sit. 294 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: And you know, all right, man, hey, good luck in 295 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: your recovery. Look forward to seeing an indie man. Thank you. 296 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: All right, boys, you get a chance to to hear 297 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: they're from from Brandon Ayouk and a Lance. I know 298 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: we've talked about him before, but in Bucky we use 299 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: this this all the time, talking about competitiveness, toughness at 300 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: the receiver position. Bucky let uses the term craftsman. Just 301 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: your opinion, Lance on a Daddy. I mean, he is 302 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: the yards after catch phenomenon this year. And it's funny 303 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: because a lot of the West guys got West Coast 304 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: scouts aren't, aren't in love with them that much. And uh, 305 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why, because I see him get open. 306 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: I see him work beyond just the short catch and 307 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: run stuff. But he is really really good with the 308 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: ball in his hands. And you know, I wondered if 309 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: he was a little had some some Anthony Miller to him, 310 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: but Miller was more down the field a little bit. 311 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: But uh, I don't know. I'm a fan. I think 312 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: he's a good player, maybe not as high as you are. 313 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: I saw your top fifty list. I'm a big fan, 314 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: you're a big fan. Well, I think what will help 315 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: him in the evaluation. We always kind of tend to 316 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of have the bump from the previous year, Deebo 317 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: Samuel's having to kind of impact that he had with 318 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Honors only helps are you? Because 319 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: I UK is a guy who is to rip it 320 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands. He is going to 321 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: be a guy that you talked about a yak daddy. 322 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a guy that absolutely kills it when 323 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: he has the ball in the stands in the open field. Well, 324 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: the interviews continue because I remember DJ when we were 325 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: talking on the Senior Bowl Reveal show our guy who 326 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: you were interested in making the w catches? I got 327 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Gandy Golden, big fan. Yeah from from Liberty Right, Um, 328 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: let's get him out there and let's hear your conversation. 329 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: All right, but I excited to be joined by Antonio. 330 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: How are you doing? Man? Doing great? How about you? 331 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I want to first of all, go 332 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: through your recruiting process and walk me through that. How 333 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: you ended up at Liberty University. Basically, they just started 334 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: recruiting me a little bit over halfway through my senior season. Um, 335 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: they just really came in, you know, they were honest 336 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: with me. Uh. They ended up offering me the day 337 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: so they came and watch the game. They offered me 338 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: the next day. I went down in November to watch 339 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: their their final game. It was just amazing. Uh, you 340 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: know what coach Yo meant with all the staff, they 341 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: just really you know, told me what type of place 342 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: it was, what el was gonna be at. You know, 343 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I was going to have to follow the rules and 344 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, uh as you know, something about their responsibility 345 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of you know setting with me and everything from 346 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: day one was true to the day I left, you know, 347 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: and thinking about that, having tune you played a small 348 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: school with the school that does have like a very 349 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: regimented way of doing how that structure of being an 350 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: instruction environment like that help you going forward? Um just basically, 351 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, help keep me responsible, you know, hold me 352 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: accountable for a lot of things. And uh, it's basically, 353 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, just help elevate me just as a man. 354 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: One of the things you're known for in the scouting 355 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: community is the circus catches you've been able to make 356 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: throughout your career. Um, what do you attribute that too? 357 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: Is that is there any kind of a baseball background? 358 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: Is a basketball thing? Like? What do you attribute your 359 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: your ball skills too? I'll say this year is just 360 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: being on the judge machine every day. That was That 361 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: was a pretty That was a pretty much. You know, 362 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: we caught a bunch of balls every day, you know, 363 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: whether being practiced and before practice, after practice. You know, 364 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: our court really make sure we're on the judge machine. 365 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, you those hands right, you know, it's 366 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: part of the battle, you know, thinking about getting your 367 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: hands right. Been a bigger receiver six four twenty pounds. Um, 368 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: when you fancy yourself and you do your own self evaluation, 369 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: what do you think your biggest strengths are as a playmate? 370 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: All my cash radius, that was my physicality. You look 371 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: at what you do after the catch. Give me your 372 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: mentality after the catch. The guy is big and as 373 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: strong as you are. Were you trying to accomplish after 374 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: the catch? The score? I mean, I don't like being 375 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: tackle d you know us, but most importance to getting 376 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: into the zone. Well, we were talking about you showed 377 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: me a little video of you and some of the athletics, 378 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: and you can do backflips and all this kind of stuff. 379 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: That's great. But to me, as somebody who's who's bowled 380 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: over two a couple of times, it was darned proud 381 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: of it. How the heck do you a perfect game 382 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: and you just picked up bowling? How long did it 383 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: take before when you started bowling to win? You bowled 384 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: your perfect game? So basically two months I started bowling. 385 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: Come on February. I got into April. So how did 386 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: you learn? Like did you watch YouTube or just go 387 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: out there and start throwing the ball down the lane? 388 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: I always watched you ever seen it come on TV? Yeah, 389 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: I would watch it then. I was always thought it 390 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: was interesting. We would actually go to bowling alleys for 391 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: some family gatherings in Chicago when I'll go back home. 392 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: So that and just they built one on our campus. 393 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is some going to do 394 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: so a little every day as much as I can, 395 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: you know, like, how how often like were you going 396 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: every single day? I will go every day to every 397 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: other day, you know, whenever I got some time, whether 398 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: it be won in the two games, that's unbelievable. Perfect 399 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: game that that that's all. It takes any of the 400 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: things that you have picked up very quickly. I saw 401 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: something about Rubik's cube, and I saw the cube. Usually 402 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: working on getting the four about four right now, it's 403 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult. Um. I like to say, 404 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: I do a little bit of everything. I love to 405 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: draw things like that. So what can't you do? Man? 406 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: I get that question a lot. I guess you would 407 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: have to just test me on something for me to 408 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: find out what did you study? What you major in 409 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: graphic design? Okay, all right? So give me uh post 410 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: football career, you get two opportunities. You can join the 411 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: bowling tour or you can be a professional graphic designer. 412 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: Where you going? M how much do I get paid 413 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: for one? I don't have the one to watch this bowling? 414 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I knew how much I got paid, 415 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: that might help me with it. That's a practical, that's 416 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: a practical answers. Give me one game and go watch. 417 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of buck he has as well. 418 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: Give me if if I want to get the full 419 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: experience of what you can bring us a wide receiver. 420 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: What's the one game I need to watch, uh Syracuse, 421 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: I have another one by Okay, all right, I'm I'm 422 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: all that. I love. He's been fun man. Best of 423 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: luck this week. Thank you. I love. I love listening 424 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: to him. He's got a good energy about him, and 425 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: I've actually been a little bit pleasantly surprised with how 426 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: well he's run. He did. He didn't finish one rep today, 427 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: but he was able to separate down the field. And 428 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: for such a big dude, uh, pretty smooth, pretty silky. 429 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: I've I've been impressed just watching him move around on 430 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: the field. He definitely does not look like somebody that 431 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: this is too big for. When you go back and 432 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: watch him against better opponents they played against at Liberty, 433 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: you saw that as well. Yeah, he didn't look like 434 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: a fish out of water. And I think that's the 435 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: big thing. We talked about small school standouts how today 436 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: compare when they're playing against big power five guys. Does 437 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: he back down? Does he kind of wilt under pressure? 438 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: I felt like he's been a guy that has been competitive. 439 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: It may take him a little while at the next 440 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: level to kind of find his way, but he certainly 441 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: has the height, the athleticism and really the pass catching 442 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: radius as you look for a position. But that's good stuff. 443 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got one more interview we want to 444 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: throw too. But I'm doing the math here with a 445 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: number of people in this room, and knowing we have 446 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: one vehicle, I'm wondering who the hex getting left at 447 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: lead People Stadium. We're gonna fit in the car. I 448 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how that's going to work. 449 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: But one guy who would get in the car if 450 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: we were driving? How about Thomas to meet you off 451 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: in the Atlanta Falcons. That's what I'm talking about. Dot's hear. 452 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: I'm talking about doing the team here on the moon 453 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: Sticks podcast with Atlanta Falcons general manager Thomas to meet 454 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: your off. How's everything going in the off season? Everything's good. 455 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: We're busy after a season like that. You're busy, right, 456 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: You look at a lot of different things, not not 457 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: only on the field, of course, but off the field 458 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: and how we're gonna be moving forward. You know. So 459 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: a lot of listeners may not understand the process of 460 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: like how do you do that self evaluation after the 461 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: season too? Then put a plan in place for the 462 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: off season. So I mean to break it down basically, 463 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, we sit in there with the coaching staff 464 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: and the scouting directors and myself and we we have 465 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: what we call three sixties and we go through our 466 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: entire roster and we talk about it not only from 467 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: a scouting perspective, from a coaching perspective, from an athletic 468 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: performance perspective, to our our trainers and uh ARE player 469 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: programs perspective. So it's just a it's just a all 470 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: in all discussion about our players. Okay. So one of 471 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: the buzz words that has been kind of vanity about 472 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: in the sports world is about culture. And so you've 473 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: been in Atlanta long enough to build a Super Bowl 474 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: contender team that played in the Super Bowl and all 475 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: those things. How do you sustain that culture through the 476 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: good and bad times? And that's that's complicated, and having 477 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: a coach like Dan Quinn allows you to do that, 478 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I think. I mean, Dan, Dan is a hell of 479 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: a football coach. He's a great leader of men. Those 480 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: guys love playing for him. That is really important. Now, 481 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: on top of that, you have to be consistent, right, 482 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: you have to hold people accountable. You have to make 483 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: sure that there is a check in balance on everything, right, 484 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: when whether it's a player, or whether it's a coach, 485 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: or whether it's a illustrator, it is very, very important 486 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: to stay consistent and make sure that people are held 487 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: accountable through all of it. Dan is a very positive guy, right, 488 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: That's what our organization is. To stay positive is very important. 489 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: You have to change up some of the messaging of course, 490 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: keep it alive and and fresh for the players, right, 491 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: very important not to get into the whole millennial thing. 492 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: And you know that you you just have to be 493 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: right about it, you know so, And and thinking about 494 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: that because you talked about positivity. Uh, in the middle 495 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: of the year, like the noise on the outside, the 496 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: drumbeat is growing, Like, hey, Thomas Demutrof, Dan Queen, maybe 497 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: out the Lanta Falcons are struggling. How are you able 498 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: to stay committed to the plan that you have in 499 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: place and know that the plan will play yourself out 500 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: and that takes you know, of course, you get that, right, 501 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: we know what we signed up for many years ago, right, 502 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: And it's it's amazing. It never changes. You could win 503 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl one year and then the next year 504 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: you're facing that drumbeat, right, I think Dan and I 505 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: again we really stress how important our relationship is. We 506 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: are discussing things all the time. We never sweep things 507 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: under the rugs. So whether it has to do with 508 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 1: the organization, whether it has to do with UH, issues 509 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: within the organization that we need to talk to about, 510 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: we address them right away. And I think it's really 511 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: really important in a situation like that. Again, back to 512 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: Dan staying positive and staying upbeat and and preaching what 513 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: you know or practicing what he preached to his players. 514 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: It was really really impressive down the stretch because that's 515 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: the time when it could have gotten really messy, right 516 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: one and seven. And Man, I would go into those 517 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: meeting rooms and I'd watch him and I would walk 518 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: away think, that's that's a special person being able to 519 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: keep it up like that. Yeah, it is something special 520 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: to see you guys kind of bounce back from that. UH. 521 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: One of the things that we've talked about in previous 522 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: podcasts with you, we we talked about building a team 523 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: around the quarterback because you've seen it in a unique way. 524 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: You've seen it build it with a young quarterback that 525 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: you've seen. Build it around the quarterback getting paid then 526 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: having to pay him again. How does it change when 527 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: you have an older, older quarterback on a big deal. 528 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: How do you build the team around that kind of team? Well, 529 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: I think it's really important. You have to know where 530 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: where that quarter quarterback is in his evolution, right. I mean, 531 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: Matt is a really good football player, a very good quarterback, 532 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: a very good leader for us. And Matt's gonna be 533 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: thirty five years old, so we have to be we 534 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: have to be mindful of it. I think Matt has 535 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: done a really good job keeping himself strong and in shape. 536 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: Of course, he's really dedicated that way. We need to 537 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: make sure that we continue to have the right pieces 538 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: around him. You know, we need to have the right 539 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: receivers around him, as we believe we do. We like 540 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: where we are with our running back group. Most important, 541 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: of course, as we did we started investing in the 542 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: old line. Make sure that he has protected the way 543 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: that he needs to be protected. And uh, you know 544 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: that's gonna be really important for us. You know, we 545 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: took two young guys last year in the draft, brought 546 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: a couple of guys in in free agency. Um, you know, 547 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: people are arguing one way or another that they didn't 548 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: think that we produced as much on the old line. 549 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: I think, I think things are gonna come together. I 550 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: like our young guys, and there's gonna be some good 551 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: battle for some starting positions. So so finally we've had 552 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: a conversation where we talked about urgent athletes and how 553 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: important he is to have those urgent athletes as explosive players, 554 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: particularly on the defenside of the ball. When we're thinking 555 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: about building an ideal defense pass rusher's corners, how do 556 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: we prioritize the knees of needs of importance on defense? 557 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: Right And and that's another thing, just so everyone knows. 558 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I sit down with Dan and we go 559 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: over periodically we rank the positions of importance because it 560 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: sometimes can change. Right. You may at one time think 561 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: that your corner is your number one important person and 562 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: then you're you're you know, your rush and your LEO 563 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: is the next. It may switch, you know, after a 564 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: certain season. So where we are right now is we 565 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: we need to continue to get some outside rush, no 566 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: question about it. We need to continue to have those 567 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: young corners who we like. You know, I'm talking about 568 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: both Sheffield, I'm talking about Isaiah Oliver. I mean, there's 569 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: some young guys that are up and coming guys continue 570 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: to acquire. You know, this never can have too many corners, 571 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: right because that's gonna help your pass rush. So we 572 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: just need to be really mindful of where we are 573 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: at this defense. Dan Dan, really Dan turning that defense 574 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: over to Raheem and having Raheem, you know, knocked over 575 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: to back over the defense where I'm really happy he's back, 576 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: made a made a really important improvement and it's it's 577 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: it's an impact, right and I love having him back 578 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: over there, and it's gonna be great watching him this year. Well, 579 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: we're excited for it, man, We're so excited. You in 580 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: some time with us on the Move of sixth program. 581 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure we're catching with you later in the offseason. 582 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: Nicely done there, Buck, good shot there with Thomas de Meetrof, 583 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: and I'm glad to see the Falcons. I thought I 584 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: made a smart move when you look at Dan Quinn 585 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: and Thomas coming back the way they finished out the year. Um, 586 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: I don't know where they were gonna upgrade. When you 587 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: kind of look at what's out there, I think that 588 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: this is a this is a leadership team that's taking 589 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: this team to the Super Bowl and they're the same 590 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: guys that they were then. They just need to tinker 591 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: and toy with this roster a little bit. And Lance, 592 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: I think they could be back right where they were. 593 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: It was nice to see, well they flashed. I mean 594 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: you said, oh wait, that's right. Here's the Falcons with 595 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: talent on both sides of the ball. And it was 596 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: nice to see the team didn't quit on them. They 597 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: continue to play hard and UH and they do. They 598 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: have talent and I think they're in the middle of 599 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: the draft. They can find somebody at sixteen who can 600 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: help make them a better team quickly. Yeah, it was 601 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: fun to watch them down the stretch last season. Also 602 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: this past season. You know, we got one more look 603 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: this towards the end of this this season when Daniel 604 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: Jones got hurted Eli Manning and UH one his final start, 605 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: which will in fact be his final start as a 606 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: Giant as we find out, UH is announcing his retirement 607 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: and will hold that retirement news conference on Friday. I 608 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: mentioned I mentioned it on our takeaway podcast following that 609 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: win over the Dolphins. Um, you know, in my book, 610 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna go down as the greatest Giants quarterback in franchise. History. 611 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: You bring two Lombardies back to New York, and you 612 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: have cemented your legacy as an icon with that franchise 613 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: and in that city. And um I mentioned this as well, 614 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 1: like you know, this is the NFL's hundred year. Uh. 615 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: We were talking about and celebrating the greatest players and 616 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: accomplishments and plays and games and teams. If there was 617 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: a you know, top one list of faces of the franchise, 618 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: he would be on it because not many people equipped 619 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: themselves better in that market and as the face of 620 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: an iconic franchise than than Eli did. Um. He gave 621 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: us two of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, 622 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: um in beating the Patriots. And He's gonna be the 623 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: only quarterback in NFL history to beat the greatest quarterback 624 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: in NFL history twice on the game's biggest stage, no doubt. 625 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think his legacies it's pretty much cemented it. 626 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: Thinking about legacies and and thinking about podcasts. As we 627 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: sit here, the four of us together, and I feel 628 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: like I think we finally have the team assembled it 629 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: where we can go four on four with the around 630 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: the NFL guys any day of the week. Doom do 631 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: any day of this four right here. Their heroes really heroes. 632 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Really you want to you wanna go with this four 633 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: that we got right here? The only thing I break 634 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: a dream team right here, boys, if we're doing four 635 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: and four. I just asked that I get to be 636 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: to James hard. I just shoot every shot. I just 637 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: asked that whoever takes the ball out it comes my 638 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: way first, and I get to drop out of the shot. Claude, 639 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: I get doubled, and then I keep give it to 640 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: somebody else. Turn over. Yeah, I'm not taking this turn 641 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: over double. You're not giving it up unless you're triple 642 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: games will take a turn over. I didn't mean to. 643 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to insinuate who wouldn't take a turn over. 644 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: I feel like the new addition we might have found 645 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: our Johnny right here. That's what I feel like. Nice, 646 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm dying you bring Lima into the mix. That's for 647 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: me is that's Lima. Scouting is a segment that is 648 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: going to happen and started. We just found a weekly 649 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: segment in the past that's happening. That's happening. Alright, boys, 650 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: Let's let's go Rochambo and see who gets left at 651 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: the stadium. That's gonna do it for us here from mobile. 652 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening to another takeaway 653 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: podcast and the bill uh doing a great job. Wonderful 654 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: cameraman in the vehicle as well, Bartlett, Actually no, bart 655 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: wonderful cameraman was a little sketch as a driver. Okay. Anyways, 656 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: we'll see if you get love them anyway. It's all 657 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: about improving, all right. Thank you guys so much. We'll 658 00:29:48,800 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: catch you next time. Right here, I'm moving sticks want 659 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: to do you have got to want it, not