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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome back to another edition of the Draft Show. Happy
Speaker 1: to be with you. I think we're inside of like
Speaker 1: forty five days for the NFL Draft. It's fast approaching,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna try and get everybody ready for that.
Speaker 1: And that's really what we've tried to do this whole time.
Speaker 1: But guys, it is getting closer to the chance where
Speaker 1: we have to uh all the work. Then that's been done,
Speaker 1: all the preparation will be uh, we'll be on display.
Speaker 1: I'm Brian brought us from Dallascowboys dot Com, as always,
Speaker 1: joined by Dane Burglar from CBS Sports, David Hellman Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, and Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. Gentlemen, today,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set this thing up for you. I'd like
Speaker 1: to get into a little bit of draft news. We
Speaker 1: got Clemson's Pro Day rolling, we got some news of
Speaker 1: a potential cornerback in this draft, a really a quality
Speaker 1: nickel corner that could be in a little bit of
Speaker 1: draft trouble. And I also want to get into a
Speaker 1: couple of pro days as well, Washington and then also
Speaker 1: Western Michigan, which we had guys there. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: a little Twitter on the twenty like we always do
Speaker 1: after that, and then we're gonna have a little one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes. There's a lot of things we
Speaker 1: do here that I really like, but I do like
Speaker 1: the segment we have called tell Me More, where David
Speaker 1: Hellman comes up with some players and not just some
Speaker 1: of the top players, but just a random list of guys,
Speaker 1: and he asked Dane and I to tell him a
Speaker 1: little bit more and hopefully they'll give you guys a
Speaker 1: little bit more of an understanding of who all's out there,
Speaker 1: not just the top guys. But as we roll through
Speaker 1: this draft, you know, when we go the three day
Speaker 1: journey that maybe there's some guys in the fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh round that hey, I heard about that guy in
Speaker 1: the Draft show. So that's always one of my favorite
Speaker 1: segments to do. So with that being said, maybe take
Speaker 1: some calls to later in the show eight eight eight
Speaker 1: eight five five two two nine seven, make sure that
Speaker 1: you're if you're interested in doing that. At the end
Speaker 1: of the show, hopefully we can take a minute to
Speaker 1: two and ask answer a question as well about that
Speaker 1: live on the air. Getting into the Draft News Guys
Speaker 1: pro day for Clemson, and we finally got a speed
Speaker 1: on Mike Williams and I saw on Twitter Dane Brugler
Speaker 1: that the scouts had him between four five six and
Speaker 1: four five eight. Is that about where you thought that
Speaker 1: Mike Williams would run? I think so based on the tape,
Speaker 1: and I actually reached out to a scout who was there.
Speaker 1: He told me at a four to five five okay,
Speaker 1: But he also mentioned that they add point zero three
Speaker 1: to every time at Clemson because of the fast track
Speaker 1: fast track. So officially this team is going with the
Speaker 1: four or five eight from Mike Williams, but the four
Speaker 1: five five adding the point zero three. So and that's
Speaker 1: not uncommon Ohio State. A lot of these programs are
Speaker 1: known for their fast tracks. Oh, how State's downhill? Yeah, exactly, Oh,
Speaker 1: how State's a downhill facility. I'm gonna interject, and I've
Speaker 1: heard you say that before fast track, like me, we're
Speaker 1: talking about we're talking about artificial fields that are inside
Speaker 1: indoor facilities, much like our Lucas Oil Stadium. So what's
Speaker 1: the difference each Each venue has something different obviously with
Speaker 1: I don't know specifically with Clemson, but you know what's underneath?
Speaker 1: Is it concrete? Is there a cushioning? You know, I
Speaker 1: know some of some of these programs have. It's not
Speaker 1: the most updated carpet, right exactly, so track facility, right,
Speaker 1: and so the just the surface itself is different. And
Speaker 1: you know, like at Oklahoma when we were there, right,
Speaker 1: I think that I think that was fairly normal. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a fast track, wasn't a slow track. I think
Speaker 1: that was fairly normal. Right. But some of these programs
Speaker 1: just for whatever reason, And that's really why teams focus
Speaker 1: on the combine times more so than the pro days. Now,
Speaker 1: with the pro days, if you were injured at the combine.
Speaker 1: For those that weren't invited to the combine, the pro
Speaker 1: days are valuable, especially for the positional workouts where the
Speaker 1: coaches can actually put these guys through specific workouts based
Speaker 1: on what they want to see. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to the forty yard dash and the athletic testing. That's
Speaker 1: why teams will lean combine times over the pro day.
Speaker 1: Now for Mike Williams, we didn't have a combined time.
Speaker 1: So it's all about this forty yard dash, and I
Speaker 1: think that was expected in the four fives. You know,
Speaker 1: we know he's not a burner. If you list his
Speaker 1: top five strengths as a receiver, speed's not in there.
Speaker 1: This is not what he does best. But I think
Speaker 1: a four or five anywhere in the four five's that's
Speaker 1: solid time for him. Should we be scared what we
Speaker 1: saw last year? It is it fresh in our mind?
Speaker 1: What we saw well with Treadwell is that it is
Speaker 1: the fact that Treadwell came into the league and wasn't
Speaker 1: productive right off the bat. Does that give us pause
Speaker 1: about taking Mike? Is he unjustly getting compared to Treadwell
Speaker 1: for the lack of speed? I mean, the tape is
Speaker 1: incredible on Williams. All you do is you all you
Speaker 1: throw on the you throw on the Alabama National Championship
Speaker 1: game and you're you're like you're locked in. You're saying,
Speaker 1: whoa first on that game? Yeah? First round? Guy? I
Speaker 1: don't see it's it's not unfair, you know, because but
Speaker 1: I think Treadwell's issues are more mental than anything, you know,
Speaker 1: learning the playbook, understanding how to separate from press coverage. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's more mental with him. With neither of
Speaker 1: these guys Williams are Treadwell have a great forty year
Speaker 1: at dash time, Does that mean that they're going to
Speaker 1: have a similar trajectory in the NFL. No, But I
Speaker 1: certainly understand those who have a little bit of pause
Speaker 1: because they do seem like they win in similar ways.
Speaker 1: They're neither or fast. They're big guys who kind of
Speaker 1: you just throw it in their zip code and they
Speaker 1: find a way to come down with high catch radius
Speaker 1: and all that that was in college. Yeah, in the NFL,
Speaker 1: corners are bigger, they're faster, they press, they like the
Speaker 1: disrupt routes, and things are just a little bit different.
Speaker 1: So I understand the concern there. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: wrong at all. Is it a little bit of recency bias? Sure,
Speaker 1: a little bit, But I certainly understand those that have
Speaker 1: a little bit of concern with what we saw from
Speaker 1: Treadwell last year. Could we see these top receivers, the
Speaker 1: guys that we have in this draft. The guys like Davis, Williams, Ross,
Speaker 1: they've all got questions. I've got questions. Could we see
Speaker 1: a slide at the wide receiver spot. Yeah, you look
Speaker 1: at last year and we talk about these receivers possibly
Speaker 1: going top twenty, and only one went in top twenty.
Speaker 1: Now was Corey Fullman. Guys like Dockson and Treadwell Fuller,
Speaker 1: they were all in the twenties. Could that happen again
Speaker 1: this year? You can't rule it out. I think it's
Speaker 1: more likely, at least in my opinion, they go in
Speaker 1: the teens. But I don't think we see a receiver
Speaker 1: top ten. Maybe at ten and Buffalo. I think that's
Speaker 1: like a possible destination for one of these guys. But
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely in the teens. But you're right,
Speaker 1: each one of these has questions. With Corey Davis, he's
Speaker 1: got a banged up ankle. I wasn't able to work
Speaker 1: out at Western Mission's pro day. He's hoping to work
Speaker 1: out before the draft, but that's no guarantee. And you
Speaker 1: know with Williams, obviously his speed and Ross just had
Speaker 1: another surgery on a shoulder, So just a lot of
Speaker 1: medical questions there so absolutely, there's a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of issues you can point to with these top receivers,
Speaker 1: and in a draft where there's a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of talent, Yeah, the second round looks really deep,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that, you know, talking about could
Speaker 1: a second round guy go above Davis or Williams or
Speaker 1: Ross or one of those guys, you know, guy like
Speaker 1: god when you know, we had had a nice day
Speaker 1: at Penn State at the comment let me talk about
Speaker 1: real quick though. We we on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 1: We had a we we have an information up on
Speaker 1: the site. We have report from from Western Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know Corey Davis. The questions about him though, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's something that didn't work out yesterday. Talking to
Speaker 1: Dane a little bit pre show, he'd like to work out.
Speaker 1: You know, when is that going to happen? They thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna be minor ankle surgery. Peers a little
Speaker 1: bit more than that. Yeah, I would say so, but
Speaker 1: it's and a lot of times these guys will have
Speaker 1: a workout closer to the draft if they're healthy. But
Speaker 1: I don't know that do we know that Davis will
Speaker 1: be healthy enough to do that he wants to. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: that's there's gonna there could potentially be a couple of
Speaker 1: top players in this draft, Williams and Hooker that don't
Speaker 1: have You could add ram Check in there, ram Check,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and you know we could have to get
Speaker 1: into ram Check a little bit later on what's going
Speaker 1: on ronson offensive tackle? Yeah exactly. There you go. He
Speaker 1: did combine stuff. But throw McKinley in there too, why not, Right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a chance too because his three cone
Speaker 1: time was not getting as good as shuttled. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a chance to improve upon those. So
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Yeah. Um, But well and that,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm sitting here thinking I hadn't really
Speaker 1: thought about it in depth until you said that. But
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel as good about any of
Speaker 1: the top receivers for various reasons as I did. And obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean I love Treadwell, that doesn't look great right now.
Speaker 1: I you know, like da, though you spoke, you don't
Speaker 1: have to. You don't have to pat me like, no,
Speaker 1: you you spoke nicely about him. But well, my point
Speaker 1: being is there were a lot of receivers that we
Speaker 1: all felt good about in the first round last year,
Speaker 1: and this year there's something troubling about all three or
Speaker 1: four of the top guys, and the second day is
Speaker 1: stacked and that's yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Darius Stewarts
Speaker 1: godwins the Zay, Joe owns the Carlos Henderson board Cup.
Speaker 1: I mean, all these guys could be Hanson could be
Speaker 1: a guy as well. Jordan Lewis got in a little
Speaker 1: bit of trouble. He's the cornerback from Michigan charged with
Speaker 1: domestic violence physical altercation with a with a girlfriend. On
Speaker 1: your big board, Dan, yeah, I believe he's number forty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: top fifty, top fifty. We got that. We got that
Speaker 1: bit of news. And then later Lewis tweets out, it's
Speaker 1: sad that somebody would like to would want to control
Speaker 1: you so bad that they would ruin your life over it.
Speaker 1: M that's intense, and like, these situations are tough because
Speaker 1: unless there's a video like Joe Mixon sit exactly or witnesses,
Speaker 1: it's a he said, she said, and there's you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know the details yet, like what Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: learning about this, but this guy is a is a
Speaker 1: top player. Oh yeah, I mean I think he'd be
Speaker 1: in play for the Cowboys at sixty. Absolutely he was there,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a good chance he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: there because he is a talented corner. But how does
Speaker 1: this affect you know, there's never a good time for this,
Speaker 1: you know, let's put that out there. But it's especially
Speaker 1: worse timing for him now when the Senior Bowls passed,
Speaker 1: the combine has passed, he won't have as as many
Speaker 1: face to face chances with these teams to sit down
Speaker 1: and say, you know, listen, this is what happened and
Speaker 1: kind of explain himself if he wasn't the wrong. He
Speaker 1: wanted the chance to necessarily show the remorse and all that. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Michigan Pro Day is coming up next Friday, so
Speaker 1: he will have an opportunity there if you know he's
Speaker 1: planning right. Uh, And so well, you have to wonder
Speaker 1: how many of those are already set for teams and
Speaker 1: they have to kind of scramble and you know, if
Speaker 1: they can make an exception. Uh, It's it's tough because
Speaker 1: there's coming this late in the process. Now, this is
Speaker 1: different than like the lyall call in situation. But it's
Speaker 1: similar in the fact that it's just it's so close
Speaker 1: to the draft, Like you said, I mean, we're almost
Speaker 1: a month out right, and so teams are scrambling to
Speaker 1: find out more information. Will they get what they need
Speaker 1: to know in time for the draft to feel comfortable
Speaker 1: taking him? Whereas Talent says he should go in the
Speaker 1: top fifty. I don't know, it's too early to say,
Speaker 1: but regardless, it's just it's a bad situation for Lewis
Speaker 1: and could end up hurting him. One draft day, Pierce
Speaker 1: that Sidney Jones, a very talented cornerback from the University
Speaker 1: of Washington, suffered an achilles injury, and we heard him
Speaker 1: more on that. I was trying to dig some more.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody really say. It looked like to
Speaker 1: me watching the tape, something to do just the way
Speaker 1: he came up, the way he left out of the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't so good. The Buddha bakers. Sounds like he'd
Speaker 1: had a nice work out there. John Ross, we were
Speaker 1: talking about him. The solder surgery was done Tuesday, kind
Speaker 1: of getting some information about him. Talk about Sidney Jones, though, Dave,
Speaker 1: here's a guy that you know the Cowboys could have
Speaker 1: very well considered at twenty eight if he was there.
Speaker 1: He's in that kind of huddle of names that I'm
Speaker 1: always talking about, you know, six to eight names that
Speaker 1: you hear over and over again. He was definitely one
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, And in actual we've got questions about
Speaker 1: him that I want to say for Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty but just in general, I mean, I feel terrible
Speaker 1: for the guy. I mean, yeah, that's tragic. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a guy that's done everything he needed to do over
Speaker 1: his career at the Combine to put himself in position
Speaker 1: to be a first round pick. Now he won't be.
Speaker 1: Where do you see him, Dane? Where does this take him?
Speaker 1: I mean you, I mean, and I'm not asking for
Speaker 1: Dallas because everything s Dallas will take him in the
Speaker 1: second round. But now, I mean, you draft these guys,
Speaker 1: especially high you want him to play. This reminds me
Speaker 1: of I'm gonna mess up his name. But the the
Speaker 1: Oregon kid that Cleveland drafted, Yeah, and that was that
Speaker 1: was tough because yeah, he he heard his knee right
Speaker 1: in Bowl prep ye and he fell to the seventh
Speaker 1: round and he hasn't been able to, you know, get
Speaker 1: his career off the ground um with Sidney Jones. I
Speaker 1: think he's a better player. Better. I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see him fall that far. It just it comes
Speaker 1: down to you, hopefully and Okay, if it is the Achilles,
Speaker 1: he has the surgery soon. That way, teams have somewhat
Speaker 1: of an idea of how the surgery goes, how the
Speaker 1: beginning of the rehab goes. Before the draft. And I
Speaker 1: dropped him about sixty spots on my on my board,
Speaker 1: so about two rounds. Yeah, I think somewhere in the
Speaker 1: third round is he becomes a third round player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: instead of a first round player becomes a third round player.
Speaker 1: It has to take a red shirt as a rookie.
Speaker 1: And you just kind of hope that he gets back
Speaker 1: to the player that you saw on tape at Washington.
Speaker 1: That's just that's that's that's tragic for him. And he
Speaker 1: was a guy, and you know, he was a guy
Speaker 1: that you had to consider, you know, you absolutely had
Speaker 1: to consider him. And this is something that's going to
Speaker 1: come up every year. But do these guys need to
Speaker 1: be working out as much as they do before the draft.
Speaker 1: It's something that will be a hot topic among a
Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, they go to the combine,
Speaker 1: do this, they go to the Pro Day, do this?
Speaker 1: You know, then you got the teams come through and
Speaker 1: exactly teams the visit. I mean, it's there's so much,
Speaker 1: so many layers to this process. Is it too much?
Speaker 1: Especially if you're a first round guy, Do you really
Speaker 1: need to be doing this much? I understand both sides
Speaker 1: of the argument. On one hand, these teams are going
Speaker 1: to invest millions of dollars into you. They want to
Speaker 1: know everything I want to know. But on this at
Speaker 1: this same time, there's plenty of tape out there. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're a player, do you work if you work
Speaker 1: out the combine? Do you just stand on your number exactly?
Speaker 1: And I think you saw me work out, you saw
Speaker 1: me go through. Hey, you're the ones that put together
Speaker 1: these drills. Yes, if you saw me. If you want
Speaker 1: to see me do something else, just go watch the combine.
Speaker 1: You're comfortable with what you did the combine. I think
Speaker 1: I would not blame a player for not working out
Speaker 1: anymore at the Pro Day the top player right exactly. Now,
Speaker 1: if there's a situation where you know a guy like
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick who's changing positions, right, maybe a team wants
Speaker 1: to see him do a little bit different. Okay, different situation,
Speaker 1: But for a corner who at City Jones, who's played press,
Speaker 1: he's played off, he's done you know everything about him,
Speaker 1: And that's what he was standing on his combine number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sure was. He was just working out for team exact.
Speaker 1: His injury came when he was just doing his back
Speaker 1: pedal in a positional drill. So I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised and I wouldn't blame a player if he decides
Speaker 1: to rest on what he did at the combine. The
Speaker 1: columns are, yeah, the hot takes are already coming that
Speaker 1: this will change the way a guy's approached this time.
Speaker 1: If these kids work out at the combine, we shouldn't
Speaker 1: ask them to work out anymore. If I was a
Speaker 1: consensus first round pick, I think that's yeah. If you're
Speaker 1: a first round pick, I would maybe I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: work out at the combine. I'd be like, you've got
Speaker 1: to three years worth of my tape, you know. Well.
Speaker 1: I think the combine part of it, though, If the
Speaker 1: kid works out there, that's why I disagree. I think
Speaker 1: if the kid works out at the combine, and I've
Speaker 1: seen him do drills that I've seen defensive backs do
Speaker 1: for years, and you do all those things. I don't
Speaker 1: need to see a workout again. Yeah, I really don't.
Speaker 1: If I'm you know, I don't blame a kid, and hey,
Speaker 1: that's what that's the I mean, that's what the draft
Speaker 1: boards for. Right. Most of them absolutely kind of know
Speaker 1: their range before this even gets started. Okay, before we
Speaker 1: hit the break, A couple of things, A couple of dates.
Speaker 1: You need to know. The visits for the thirty, the
Speaker 1: top thirty are going on right now. You could start.
Speaker 1: That goes until April nineteenth, so you can bring guys
Speaker 1: in if your NFL team saw today where Joe Mixon
Speaker 1: is visiting the Denver Broncos. But these are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do not typically not typically they do them all they do.
Speaker 1: But you can you can start now if you individually
Speaker 1: want to bring players in for your thirty visits, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can start right now, and that date goes until
Speaker 1: April nineteenth. The second thing you need to know about
Speaker 1: is the rechecks, the medical rechecks that's going to take
Speaker 1: place April thirteenth and fourteenth in Indianapolis. So anybody that
Speaker 1: had any types of issues all thirty two, will be
Speaker 1: back in Indianapolis. Doctors in hand checking on any information, surgeries,
Speaker 1: anything that's popped up. We talked about McKinley, we've talked
Speaker 1: about Ross. They could check on that post op and
Speaker 1: get a little bit better idea of what's going on. Okay,
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Speaker 1: here in the SWBC Mortgage Studios, Brian brought us Dame Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kit Garrison, Executive Producing, want to take an
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Speaker 1: on the Twitter Man. I'll turn the show over to
Speaker 1: David Hellman. We kind of talked about this a little
Speaker 1: bit briefly, so I'll start with this from sal Sydney
Speaker 1: Jones appeared to seriously injure his achilles at Washington's protest.
Speaker 1: So now the question is is he an option for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at sixty because we know how much they
Speaker 1: loved you dropped him two rounds. She said, he used
Speaker 1: to be Jake Butt. Now it's Sydney. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that's too early for a player that's gonna take a
Speaker 1: red shirt. You know, he's not gonna play a rookie
Speaker 1: year and not gonna help you. And it's not like
Speaker 1: you like with Jalen Smith. Jalen Smith was arguably the
Speaker 1: best player in the draft last year. You know, I
Speaker 1: think that was a little different. You know, you're the
Speaker 1: risk reward there. Sydney Jones is a nice player, but
Speaker 1: you know he was gonna go probably in the twenties.
Speaker 1: You for a reason. So in the around, yes, I
Speaker 1: consider them in the second though, I want to start
Speaker 1: in the second round. This team as much as we
Speaker 1: all went through. If you talk to people in this organization,
Speaker 1: they appreciate Jalen Smith. They don't want to go through
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith again. And I mean that's a respect. I
Speaker 1: mean this, and I mean I don't want to. They
Speaker 1: don't want to have to. They don't want to have
Speaker 1: to sit there and watch a guy that they pick
Speaker 1: highly not be able to play this team needs players.
Speaker 1: This team needs guys to play right now. It's nice
Speaker 1: to sit there and think, hey, Jalen Smith, grab him.
Speaker 1: Doctor did the surgery. I still believe if doctor hadn't
Speaker 1: done the surgery, or or Cleveland hadn't taken their guy
Speaker 1: ahead of them, that we wouldn't have Jalen Smith here.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong about that, but just talking to folks
Speaker 1: about it, they're like, we need players. We need guys
Speaker 1: that can play. Now, the Jake Butts, the Sidney Jones,
Speaker 1: the guys maybe McKinley, the guys that are hurt that
Speaker 1: probably won't play. They can't. They can't afford to do
Speaker 1: that anymore. I mean, they've they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: holes on and I'm talking about in the Cowboys perspective. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe another team could do it, but Dallas needs defensive help.
Speaker 1: Twenty one people are going to walk out of this
Speaker 1: building likely, you know, on free agency, like you get
Speaker 1: you get my hints a lot, yeah, a lot. Good
Speaker 1: segue because Will wants to know Dan you talk about
Speaker 1: this often. How much does RAMSI's hip scare you? Tackle
Speaker 1: is suddenly something the Cowboys might be interested in. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll save that for the doctors. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: about the extent of the injury, especially for a tackle.
Speaker 1: You're a guy that's you know, naturally big boned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you kind of worry about that a little bit.
Speaker 1: But if the doctor says it's okay, no long term effects,
Speaker 1: just kind of something that happened, then I'll feel better.
Speaker 1: But it is something that you kind of leave in
Speaker 1: the hands of the doctors to tell you the current
Speaker 1: prognosis and then just long term, you know, with any concerns.
Speaker 1: But I think at twenty eight, if he's there, absolutely
Speaker 1: you have to consider him. Can I throw another name?
Speaker 1: Would you consider playing Dion Dawkins at tackle from what
Speaker 1: you saw on Temple film? I'm not talking to twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Maybe it in the second round. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: could do it. I think he's a much better guard,
Speaker 1: and he played left a lot of left tackle at Temples, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he can do it, but I
Speaker 1: think I feel a lot more comfortable with him at
Speaker 1: inside a guard if I'm gonna go for a tackle.
Speaker 1: Taylor Moton from Western Michigan that my guy. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: how about Robinson? Then? Would you consider Robinson at twenty eight? No, no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. They're just ram Check to me is a
Speaker 1: top twenty player in this draft, and if he slips
Speaker 1: a little bit because of the hip, then that's a
Speaker 1: value pick at twenty eight. And as long as my
Speaker 1: doctors tell me you know you're good to go, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll take him there. But Robinson to me is not
Speaker 1: a top thirty player. Let me ask you one more
Speaker 1: question then, considering what you know about the offensive tackles
Speaker 1: in this draft, and now that you understand where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are at with the depth on defense, would you
Speaker 1: consider going offensive tackle first twenty eight if you said
Speaker 1: ram Checks, there's something like that, and then turn around
Speaker 1: at sixty and ninety and those other things and grab defense.
Speaker 1: Fair argument, you know, because you're right about the depth
Speaker 1: of this class. With different pass rushers in the corners,
Speaker 1: you can conceivably safety two right where at tackle if
Speaker 1: you don't get your guy early, I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: no guarantee that Taylor Moton will be there at sixty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of hope you crush your fingers, but you
Speaker 1: know tackle is not a strong group and there's only
Speaker 1: four or five I think in this draft. That'll end
Speaker 1: up being future starters, at least long term starters. So
Speaker 1: if you don't get your guy early, you might be
Speaker 1: out of luck. Even it's sixty and be too late,
Speaker 1: you might have missed the boat knowing And I know
Speaker 1: tight ends a lot deeper than tackle, but I feel
Speaker 1: that way about both of those spots. Like if you
Speaker 1: if a Ramsick fell there, or if OJ Howard or
Speaker 1: somebody was there, just give me that guy and I'll yeah,
Speaker 1: we can fill the defense. See, I think people, I
Speaker 1: think people would lose their minds if you drafted. But
Speaker 1: the educational part of this is it's just what he said,
Speaker 1: the depth at the position, grab the best one and
Speaker 1: then turn around and play with strength at two, three
Speaker 1: and four. The people who would lose their minds are
Speaker 1: the people who don't really pay attention to how the
Speaker 1: draft works. Well, we hope that we're educating folks, like
Speaker 1: even I mean, for every person that listens to this
Speaker 1: show and we appreciate you, there's like a thousand more
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans who don't really tune into the draft until
Speaker 1: like the Wednesday of Draft week. Shame on you. I
Speaker 1: mean that's just the way it is anyway, Which okay,
Speaker 1: That's a good segue for a question from Michael, which
Speaker 1: is reports coming out and you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: you draft because of an eight week injury, but reports
Speaker 1: are out that Jeff Swain broke his foot during offseason
Speaker 1: workouts this week, which will put him out till training camp.
Speaker 1: And we already talk about tight end anyway, we know
Speaker 1: this is a deep class. Like, what's your priority level
Speaker 1: on tight end in this draft for the Cowboys? I
Speaker 1: think the only one, well, the only one I would
Speaker 1: grab early in my opinion, is Howard. That's the twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one you pass on in Joku, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I would pass on a JOKEU would pass on butt
Speaker 1: and I would, And then you know what, I could
Speaker 1: feel like that maybe third, fourth, fifth round. Maybe is
Speaker 1: there a tight end in this group? By the way,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I mean, is there a
Speaker 1: true tight end and the other than the kid from
Speaker 1: from Ashland. I'm just just about to say, sheheen, yeah,
Speaker 1: Shin is no no, no, no, We're good with that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, though, if you had to grab,
Speaker 1: you would consider grabbing the best tight end though, wouldn't you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I would if Howard or in joke, who were there
Speaker 1: at twenty eight or you're thinking about a JOKEU at
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Oh yeah, if he's there, I'm jumping off
Speaker 1: the end Joku bandwagon. Not because I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a good player, but I like, I think I've said
Speaker 1: this before. I don't trust the Cowboys to make that work.
Speaker 1: I just don't. That's fair. I don't, and that's not
Speaker 1: That's not the type of tight end that they want anyway.
Speaker 1: So you're you're trying to fit a square peg into
Speaker 1: a round hole like they need an O. J. Howard
Speaker 1: or Shaheen, like they want Jason Witten. Not that you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a Hall of Famer, but you want that
Speaker 1: type of player. Which if Jake Butt was healthy, I'd
Speaker 1: be all over him at twenty eight. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: the Cowboys aren't going to use the athletic Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: tight end the right way anyway. So I'm just so
Speaker 1: you're out on that. I'm jumping off that band. But
Speaker 1: you're okay with Howard coming in though, Yeah? Because he
Speaker 1: can do what they want him too and while still
Speaker 1: being a viable, you know option down the field. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair, and there are other tight ends
Speaker 1: later on they can fill that role. Jeremy Sprinkle from Arkansas,
Speaker 1: Michael Roberts from Toledo. Guys like that who you don't
Speaker 1: have to spend, you know, early capital on a tight
Speaker 1: end in this draft, you can you can find a
Speaker 1: guy later. They can be serviceable too. Rich Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: went with Ingram at twenty eight. Yeah, get out so
Speaker 1: rich right away? Really? Yeah, that was his mock to
Speaker 1: DAOs go away. That's that's just I don't need a way.
Speaker 1: He's got his arms false folded here you're thinking about that? No,
Speaker 1: did you said? Did Joku? And I'm that was a
Speaker 1: really of incredulity, Like he's like really yeah, he's like interesting, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's trying not to throw shade. But I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that's terrible. I don't like it at all. Um, Perry,
Speaker 1: I'm this Perry knows the way to my heart. You
Speaker 1: another gift out of this Perry knows the way to
Speaker 1: my heart because this is guy is my current favorite
Speaker 1: player in the draft. Um, would you and I've been
Speaker 1: talking about him all week? I ready would you rather
Speaker 1: have Buddha Baker at twenty eight or Desmond King at
Speaker 1: sixty the question of the day. Thanks, And I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we talk about Desmond King is a safety all
Speaker 1: the time, so I'm putting that with that caveat. But
Speaker 1: I just think the Cowboys I got him in the
Speaker 1: same round. Second. Yeah, these questions are tough because it matters. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're going King in a sixty, who you get
Speaker 1: it in the first round? Sure, I get that, but
Speaker 1: just play the game with me, Dan. I like King
Speaker 1: a lot, but you never seen him play safety before,
Speaker 1: and that's the big issue there. So uh, you like
Speaker 1: you kind of? You like the physical toughness, stunt. Yeah's
Speaker 1: ball skills, the ball awareness. He is a tough son
Speaker 1: of a gun. I like him a lot, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I like Baker too. And at twenty eight, he might
Speaker 1: not be the best player on the board, but it'd
Speaker 1: be close. And to me, I've got him right there
Speaker 1: in that in the early thirties on my board, So
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he'd be writ in that discussion
Speaker 1: as a top five player possibly at twenty eight. Um,
Speaker 1: is he the honey badger? He's in that mold where again,
Speaker 1: you have to be a little creative with him because
Speaker 1: he's trussed our team to be creative with a guy.
Speaker 1: Not as a general rule of thumb, but like they
Speaker 1: were pretty creative with Byron when he was a rookie,
Speaker 1: that they did stuff with him, and you have to
Speaker 1: kind of be similar with this because he's not a
Speaker 1: true free safety. I think he's more of a nickel
Speaker 1: free safety where he does a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: He's not you know what, if a typical at either
Speaker 1: who's got a better chance to succeed the on tall
Speaker 1: safety or Buddha Baker being short, give me Buddha Baker
Speaker 1: right now. Like, it's not even close. It's not close
Speaker 1: for me either. I think they're very far apart in
Speaker 1: terms of I was just thinking about. I was thinking
Speaker 1: about overly tall six four safety right as opposed to
Speaker 1: give me the an impressive looking dude who just screams
Speaker 1: at the ball on it. Give me the better football player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Baker. I just like I think some teams are
Speaker 1: gonna be worried about his height. Oh yeah sure. By
Speaker 1: the way I looked this up, Earl Thomas is not
Speaker 1: six foot tall. He's just like five ten five to eleven.
Speaker 1: This can be done. Okay, I'm in no, no. I
Speaker 1: love the player I told you I mean, but I
Speaker 1: love King though too. Byron a safe, put Byron at
Speaker 1: free safety. Give me Jeff Heath like down in the
Speaker 1: box and then let Buddha Baker just be a free
Speaker 1: ranging monster guy. There are a lot of team in well, okay,
Speaker 1: they'll not take a safety under two hundred pounds. So
Speaker 1: Baker absolutely, I think he'll be off boards at least
Speaker 1: in the top fifty because he's uh, you know, in
Speaker 1: the mid one nineties, right, So he did, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't hit the two hundred pud threshold, right, And I
Speaker 1: think his playweight's probably closer one ninety, you know, if
Speaker 1: I bulked up a little bit for the combine. So
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that it won't be considered
Speaker 1: for some teams on top fifty because of his size.
Speaker 1: But you again, you have to think a little bit
Speaker 1: outside the box with him. I don't Baker or Peppers,
Speaker 1: I have. I have him close, but I have Baker
Speaker 1: like two spots ahead. It's an honest man right there.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys would draft either one at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, I think, But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: But they're the same type of player though, right, I
Speaker 1: mean it's that you have to figure out something for them, right.
Speaker 1: I think Dane's right. I think that's too rich for
Speaker 1: twenty eighth overall pick in their eyes, that's just me
Speaker 1: taking Okay, I trust you got good sources. Um where
Speaker 1: was I? Oh, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna put you
Speaker 1: all on the spot twice. Brent guy at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: who's in that range who you just don't want, like
Speaker 1: just trash somebody or mean right here, like the guy
Speaker 1: that like if he's picked at twenty seven, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, that's terrible. Like Bryan's always talking about what
Speaker 1: about Gara Bowles utaw tackle, Yeah, yeah, that's my guy? No,
Speaker 1: my guy, No, no, no, you stole my guy. I
Speaker 1: said him first. Here's all right with balls, Like he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a twenty five year old rookie. He's athletic
Speaker 1: as heck, but strength questions, technique questions. I just I
Speaker 1: worry about him. You know if wait a minute, wait,
Speaker 1: where did this all come from? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I feel like Dane's been pretty consistent about it. I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like I was the guy when we
Speaker 1: were watching him. I hate it because he was wearing
Speaker 1: the red leg things and he looked really skinny and thin.
Speaker 1: You might hate him more than I do, then I do,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't like him at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, I let me ask you this, how about
Speaker 1: Tabor Tae with Tabor? With Tabor bother you? At twenty eight?
Speaker 1: He bothers me in general just because of you didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't interview. Well, we're talking off field stuff, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: not tape, I'm guessing well, and no, just in general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you talk about it in the speed mid four sixes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he does bother me right now. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that I think we still need to figure out. But uh,
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, that's I don't. I don't hate it,
Speaker 1: So I don't bowls I would not like at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: How about Taco? That's yeah, taco because taco is not
Speaker 1: a right end. Yeah, favorite conversation unless they move, unless
Speaker 1: they plan on moving to Marcus Lawrence over to the
Speaker 1: right end and keepan Taco on the left end, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that's possibility. There are worse things
Speaker 1: in the world than finding a solid left end at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, like you're not picking. He hates you when
Speaker 1: you talk about left and right and not spicking in
Speaker 1: the top ten. I'm I'm okay with and I I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree because I'm okay with to Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence at right end because I think that's where he's
Speaker 1: Taco or McDowell from Michigan State. So you guys with issues, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're just crapping on everybody end. So it's a it's
Speaker 1: a fair question. Malik mcdown's one of the top five
Speaker 1: players in this draft in terms of talent and talent
Speaker 1: talent talent just based on the talent, but he does
Speaker 1: always play like its Shrugan State. Last year started they
Speaker 1: started great. Yeah, once the season went downhill, he went
Speaker 1: downhill too, Yeah, And you have to worry about just
Speaker 1: maturity level things like that. You're investing a first round
Speaker 1: pick on a guy that does worry you. But he's
Speaker 1: I think they might already have their MILIEK McDowell with Irving.
Speaker 1: You know, he's that that tall, he plays inside, plays
Speaker 1: a little outside. They might already have that guy. Can
Speaker 1: you play with two? Probably, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: this team will want to. I think that's fair for
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's McKinley. I think I've made
Speaker 1: that pretty clear. You just don't like the injury at all.
Speaker 1: I don't want to draft a guy that won't be
Speaker 1: on the field in training camp. I just don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: he might be awesome. He seems like he will be awesome.
Speaker 1: It's not about him as a players. Um, here's one
Speaker 1: good question, by the way. Yeah, no, I like that
Speaker 1: we're gonna tie in. We canna tie it all together
Speaker 1: right here? Yeah yeah, oh no, Kinley, no, uh. Julio
Speaker 1: wants to know, like what what's the deal with Romo
Speaker 1: and how does it tie into the draft? Like are
Speaker 1: they holding him in the hopes that they might get
Speaker 1: something done on draft day? Because that's what it seems
Speaker 1: like to me. Dan, You okay with what they're doing
Speaker 1: th Romo right now? I guess. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: know you're not here every day with us and stuff. Look,
Speaker 1: you might for draft for draft purposes, right, Are they
Speaker 1: gonna end up trading them? I don't think so, because
Speaker 1: I don't think our teams are gonna call their bluff.
Speaker 1: But if you don't need to get rid of them,
Speaker 1: right now, then why do it? You know, just hold
Speaker 1: onto them. And you think teams could evaluate what's going
Speaker 1: on with this quarterback class and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: it might be worth it to us to flip something
Speaker 1: to have a right to negotiate with him, but not
Speaker 1: have to turn this into they even figure that out already?
Speaker 1: Are they maybeing too here in the that last month.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just I'm looking for and I
Speaker 1: think that that's the Cowboys hope. I think, yeah, I
Speaker 1: would argue that these for all intents and purposes, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking Houston and Denver. I don't know where else he
Speaker 1: would go. And in that case, they're not looking at
Speaker 1: the draft for the guy that's going to be their
Speaker 1: quarterback right now anyway, because Houston likes Savage and Denver's
Speaker 1: got both of their guys. Still go to battle with Savage.
Speaker 1: See how that turns out. I'm I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they would, honestly. If not, I mean, it will be
Speaker 1: talking about Houston ena quarterback next year. You're probably right,
Speaker 1: but for the time being, and that I guess that's
Speaker 1: what I just I'm not convinced I can't stay healthy.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that teams being on the clock on
Speaker 1: draft night is going to convince them to change their
Speaker 1: minds about but maybe leading up to the draft, maybe
Speaker 1: that's the Cowboys hope and that's why you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: need to release him right now. But with that said,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna end up trading Tony. Romo
Speaker 1: will be very surprised. I think. I think the writings
Speaker 1: on the wall that they're not going to and I
Speaker 1: just worry about this dragging out. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think he needs to be here when the offseason program starts.
Speaker 1: I just think, but you also have to put that
Speaker 1: about your team that gives you until April seventeenth. Sure
Speaker 1: that's still a month away. Yeah, I mean, and that's
Speaker 1: and that's what that's right, ten days for the draft basically,
Speaker 1: if not, why not. But I'm if nothing has been
Speaker 1: done by April tenth, I don't think it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and I think you just need to make a calling.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with this, get on with it. I know
Speaker 1: all you and Mickey Spagnola want to hold I'm okay
Speaker 1: with this because I'm okay with this because I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm trying to create opportunity. I'm trying, But
Speaker 1: at what point are you just kidding yourself? That's I
Speaker 1: never until until the final guy says, well it's not
Speaker 1: going to work. I keep fighting, okay, I keep fighting
Speaker 1: in the draft room, thinking that someone's gonna call me
Speaker 1: and they're gonna look at their board and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, we need this guy to play quarterback. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. That would that would be the best possible
Speaker 1: I'll see you. My hope is that both these teams
Speaker 1: look at themselves and say, wait a minute, what is
Speaker 1: this going to cost us to get him? If he
Speaker 1: gets to the open market. I would do it, not
Speaker 1: just to have to compete against another team, but don't
Speaker 1: you think the cost romost cost on the open market
Speaker 1: would be less than what you would get by trading
Speaker 1: for as cond he's gonna want. If it comes down
Speaker 1: to two teams battling for his services, it's gonna turn
Speaker 1: into teams going well. And how would you feel if
Speaker 1: you were if you all you had to do was
Speaker 1: flip a fourth round pick to Dallas at least to
Speaker 1: talk to him. How are you going to feel if
Speaker 1: you're the other team. If you're Houston just swapping spots.
Speaker 1: I've talked about that for days. Nobody wants to believe me.
Speaker 1: On No, it would be amazing. I just I've did
Speaker 1: it with Denver twenty eight to twenty. I've done all
Speaker 1: this right, I've did this weeks ago. Okay, Dave, thanks,
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Speaker 1: me more about Western Michigan tackle Taylor Moten. Guys experience
Speaker 1: a right guard at right tackle. I think you play
Speaker 1: either spot. The biggest shoulders you've ever seen. Broad shoulders
Speaker 1: helps with that wingspan. Uh, you don't see him lose
Speaker 1: a lot of reps on tape. It's not always pretty,
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Speaker 1: that prototypical athletic left tackle who's gonna protect the blind side,
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Speaker 1: guy that gets the second level, makes some plays. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about a guy that you know
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Speaker 1: these guys get out on the edge and create problems.
Speaker 1: And I think with Mot you've got that. You've got
Speaker 1: a guy that's uh that's just how big, how physical
Speaker 1: he is. Uh you know, I I'm I'm on board
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Speaker 1: a couple of different positions, the guard, the tackle spot,
Speaker 1: I think tells a lot about the kid. You know me,
Speaker 1: I'm a bottom line guy. Where can I get him,
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Speaker 1: he's there right again with his tackle class, these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna get pushed up. And yeah, I think I
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Speaker 1: So those must be the combine numbers that I was
Speaker 1: pulling from our article that we have on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com. If you want to read about the Western
Speaker 1: Michigan Pro Day, recommend that you go there. We'll have
Speaker 1: Clemson up today too, right we will, Yes, we will. Okay,
Speaker 1: tell me more about North Carolina State safety Josh Jones.
Speaker 1: If you squint really hard, you can see a little
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey with the way he was used at NC State. Okay,
Speaker 1: not the same caliber of athlete, but Josh Jones did
Speaker 1: blow up the combine with his numbers. He was a
Speaker 1: strong safety and he moved to free this past year
Speaker 1: as a junior, and he played it mostly on the
Speaker 1: boundary and he was fantastic against the run against the
Speaker 1: past a big kid who can run. What he did
Speaker 1: the Combine think solidified himself as a borderline top fifty
Speaker 1: pick in this draft, so he might might not even
Speaker 1: be on the board at sixty for the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: the second round. When you watch this kid's tape and
Speaker 1: I did it East Carolina, Clemson, Louisville, Florida State, and Vandy,
Speaker 1: the one thing you notice is when he comes up
Speaker 1: to hit ball, cares stopping their tracks, stopping power. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just it's like he comes into hurry, he covers
Speaker 1: some ground and he will knock you out. What measurables
Speaker 1: are we working with here? Six two, two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, I want to say, coming in, I didn't
Speaker 1: have like at six one and a half two twenty Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I gotta update my combiny ran out four four one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like this. This thing is I don't know how
Speaker 1: much you really want to play him in coverage, all right,
Speaker 1: but I but I but his best trade is tackling.
Speaker 1: He isn't he isn't he I mean he could cover.
Speaker 1: I thought he covered better, though I can qualify this.
Speaker 1: I thought he covered better in the red zone than
Speaker 1: he did in the field, you know, and so sometimes
Speaker 1: a little bit of burried church. Remember what burried churches?
Speaker 1: We see? Ye telling me he's an athletic upgrade over
Speaker 1: buried church. Absolutely the same skill set. Yeah, and a
Speaker 1: very good tackler. So keep that in mind. Dane's I think, Dan,
Speaker 1: I love the size of this kid, I really really do.
Speaker 1: I can get him at sixty. I think you can
Speaker 1: get him at sixty. I don't. I don't. I m
Speaker 1: I updated. I did my top one hundred this week.
Speaker 1: He came in at number fifty for me, it'll be close.
Speaker 1: It will be close. Heat some upsets. Tell me number
Speaker 1: fifty good, that's yeah, there you go. And I don't
Speaker 1: like that. No, that's not good. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about Ohio State to talk about Draft night.
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, red shirt sophomore who really should have gone
Speaker 1: back to school, but I think he looked at Mary J. T.
Speaker 1: Barrett this offense. Am I really going to gain by
Speaker 1: coming back for another year? So he came out after
Speaker 1: his retro sophomore year. Didn't have a productive season. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you watch the Oklahoma game, you think, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy's a future first round pick. He had four touchdowns.
Speaker 1: That amazing behind the back touchdown. But besides that, Ohio
Speaker 1: about to catch at Wisconsin in the corner of the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: full extend controls, Yeah yeah, the full extension with that length,
Speaker 1: I think the perfect example of what he is. And
Speaker 1: he's I'm impressed with how how well he does getting
Speaker 1: off press coverage. A physical guy, uh using that length
Speaker 1: to his advantage. He can create his own separation. Not
Speaker 1: a burner, but he's a big bodied guy who is
Speaker 1: still very raw in his development. I think he's not
Speaker 1: going to really help you in year one, but projecting
Speaker 1: him down the line three years from now, he could
Speaker 1: be a player. And that's why he's to me in
Speaker 1: that third fourth round range, a guy that you might
Speaker 1: have to red shirt for a year, but he's a
Speaker 1: worthy investment at that point. He reminds me of Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant running routes ahead. Just throw that out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about a big body guy that runs
Speaker 1: inside routes, comes across, can extend. I like with Dane's
Speaker 1: saying about the physical side of it, because I think
Speaker 1: that's what he is. Dez Briant is not a great
Speaker 1: route runner, but he runs a lot of those routes
Speaker 1: where it's inside using your body, the slants, the ends,
Speaker 1: the drags, you don't need yeah, everybody. Yeah, this guy's
Speaker 1: got a little physical to him. Two hundred and twenty pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well let me I mean, and I watched
Speaker 1: some tape of him before. I just compared him to
Speaker 1: a seventy million dollar players say, you just compared him
Speaker 1: to him, But I think Dane's got him right in
Speaker 1: the round. I think Dane the three four, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: well what I'm what I'm hearing? And again I'm always
Speaker 1: thinking about the Cowboys selfishly, But do they need that?
Speaker 1: Do they need another guy? Like? No, they need some speed,
Speaker 1: they need a speedster and speed. They need that West
Speaker 1: Virginia kid. Honestly, somebody could go vertically. He did it
Speaker 1: at a higher level. But you're describing a similar skill
Speaker 1: set to me to Andy Jones. Yeah, this guy's a
Speaker 1: more physical player than Andy Jones. Just in you get
Speaker 1: my point? Yeah, I think I do. I'm gonna stay
Speaker 1: in Ohio for Dane. Yeah, Dane Special right here. Tell
Speaker 1: me more about Youngstown State edge Rusher, not Derek Rivers,
Speaker 1: Avery Moss, the Penguins who arguably had the best pass
Speaker 1: rush duo in all of college football last year with
Speaker 1: Rivers and in Avery Moss. UH Nebraska transfer. This is
Speaker 1: this is the top recruit at one time. It passed
Speaker 1: up offers from Stanford and some others go to Nebraska,
Speaker 1: played for both. Polini got himself into some trouble UH
Speaker 1: and was banned from the school. Ended up kind of
Speaker 1: hear what he did. He exposed himself. Yeah, you'd read
Speaker 1: about that. Yes, he follows UH coach Polini Youngstown State
Speaker 1: where you know and listen, I've stopped exposing himself. He
Speaker 1: did that. I've talked to some of his coaches about him,
Speaker 1: and they've all Tommy John. Yeah, he'll do the read
Speaker 1: for Tommy John if we draft him, go ahead. His
Speaker 1: coaches have all told me that they consider this an
Speaker 1: isolated incident, Like, yeah, an immature decision, like on a bet,
Speaker 1: that type of deal. But just a good, smart individual
Speaker 1: who had an immature moment. So I'm not gonna hold
Speaker 1: that what happened against him, you know too much. But
Speaker 1: you know, is he on the same level as Rivers
Speaker 1: rushing off the edge. No, but he still has a
Speaker 1: pass rush skill set to work with. Did you notice
Speaker 1: some of the time. So he was quicker off the
Speaker 1: bal than Rivers. Oh yeah, and he has I mean
Speaker 1: he has a length that you can work with. Um.
Speaker 1: I have some questions about him versus the run, but
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher he can. He has got a
Speaker 1: little bit of bend do him. He's got that arc acceleration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can put pressure on the pocket. Uh, not quite
Speaker 1: as effectively as Rivers, but still to the point where
Speaker 1: he can, you know, create some kind of havoc. I
Speaker 1: think he's better than Rivers. And this is where I'm
Speaker 1: going to disagree with you. Watching him play on tape,
Speaker 1: see a guy playing with his hands. I see a
Speaker 1: guy that can extend into the block. And now is
Speaker 1: it always getting off the block? I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: getting hands inside and then quickly and then boom, you know,
Speaker 1: get rid of a guy. The thing though I really
Speaker 1: liked about him is if the ball did come back
Speaker 1: inside and he was up the field, I mean he
Speaker 1: was planned back inside making the tackle. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: had somebody from Nebraska tell me about him and they're like, ooh,
Speaker 1: this is what he did. I'm thinking, Oh, no, here
Speaker 1: we go one of those deals. But at four eight
Speaker 1: six at the combine is not indicative of what he
Speaker 1: is playing football. I mean, it's you're too sixty three,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty four pound guy, But you look
Speaker 1: at this time. It's four eight six at the time.
Speaker 1: And I bet you if you go to if you
Speaker 1: go to Youngstown and read time him, he'll run better
Speaker 1: than that because he plays faster. It's interesting because he'd
Speaker 1: why as he used Pro Day, he didn't run again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's not he just might not be a
Speaker 1: great tester. No, and that and he might just say
Speaker 1: that might be the but I thought you could probably.
Speaker 1: But I agree with Dane. The bend, the finish, that's
Speaker 1: his game. But they're and like I said, there's snaps
Speaker 1: where you you see him, it's him and Rivers, and
Speaker 1: he's off the ball before Rivers and in disruptive mode
Speaker 1: as Rivers is trying to be disrupted. He's got those
Speaker 1: thirty four and a half inch arms. Yeah, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: he only did fourteen reps on the pitch. I dig
Speaker 1: that arm length, Um, that's that's what you want. You
Speaker 1: dig the exposing part of it too. No, I don't, Oh, gross,
Speaker 1: where at length Kent is on point today. Where can
Speaker 1: I get him? Um, I think I had a four
Speaker 1: or five on Yeah, I was more than that. I
Speaker 1: was closer to five. That's honestly what I want to
Speaker 1: hear from these. Tell me more guys. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think four or five is fair. I think four
Speaker 1: or five is fair. I think you probably might have
Speaker 1: to get him at four. I've got a five on him,
Speaker 1: do you, yeah, Yeah, four or five I would I
Speaker 1: would go you at straight five five, straight five. I
Speaker 1: mean their fourth round pick is essentially a five. Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me more. Another and another unsung guy from a
Speaker 1: power school, tell me more about what Washington's Kevin King,
Speaker 1: who seems to be rising up the hype boards recently. Well,
Speaker 1: when you're that size and you test like he did,
Speaker 1: did you watch Arizona State by tape? By chance? Let
Speaker 1: me see what I watched that day on Kevin King. Well,
Speaker 1: if if you probably didn't, then because if no, I didn't, Arizona, Utah,
Speaker 1: Oregon and Stanford. His interception against Arizona State was one
Speaker 1: of the top three. You'll see really impressive, you using
Speaker 1: that full extension, use those ball skills. He's not really
Speaker 1: technically proficient at playing cornerback with his footwork right, with
Speaker 1: the way he moves in both man and off coverage.
Speaker 1: But when you have those foundation traits, the length, at
Speaker 1: the speed he can bend, he's flexible. When he locates
Speaker 1: the ball, he'll go up and get it, and he
Speaker 1: can be a playmaker when the ball is in the air.
Speaker 1: So when you have those foundation traits, that's the type
Speaker 1: of corner you want to work with. He does need
Speaker 1: some work, far from a polished product, but again, when
Speaker 1: you have those those raw traits, it's something you can
Speaker 1: project him forward to being something more than just uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a guy with promise. You can project him
Speaker 1: as a starter. Yeah, six three, even two hundred pounds
Speaker 1: four four five is what the measurables all lead to believe.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this though about him. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I was surprised that for a guy his his height,
Speaker 1: really you know, it takes him a little bit to
Speaker 1: get going. And and I mean I understand that when
Speaker 1: you get tall guys leggy, he's got long legs, but man,
Speaker 1: the guy plays with some balance. I mean, I worry
Speaker 1: about guy. You're thinking, oh, it's gonna take him, you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have trouble, but the length makes him a
Speaker 1: hard guy to get away from. You know, he could
Speaker 1: he when he gets his hands. He's very competitive, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Dane's got him right. But he's a physically
Speaker 1: tough guy when playing man coverage because you can't get
Speaker 1: away from him. That's the thing now, getting going part
Speaker 1: that has maybe to do when he has to play
Speaker 1: in the off coverage. But I think he matches up
Speaker 1: well against any size. Anything you throw at him, he's
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to make plays. Two three, I've
Speaker 1: got a two on him, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: chance he can go in the first. He what he
Speaker 1: did the combine, Yeah, I mean he's The buzz around
Speaker 1: him is building for sure. Just don't see many corners
Speaker 1: like him. You really don't mean Seattle in the late first,
Speaker 1: you know, Green Bay, the teams that really value the
Speaker 1: length and the size at corner, that would make some sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I mean the tackling thing is going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a question for him. You
Speaker 1: think he may be a little bit better for his size,
Speaker 1: that he would be a better tackler six three, two hundred.
Speaker 1: He's really not, But The coverage aspect of his game
Speaker 1: is impressive. It really really is. Well, that's what you
Speaker 1: pay corners for. Absolutely, I'll forgive your bad tackling. He
Speaker 1: had lock people down ten or eleven reps on the bend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's impressive for a guy that long. Is that it? Dave?
Speaker 1: That is it? All right? Ken Garrison? Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to you. We got anybody wants to talk to
Speaker 1: us today? Fole lines are open, get us in in
Speaker 1: the next minute and a half and week. What are
Speaker 1: we gonna as we as we kind of finish this
Speaker 1: day out though? What do we got coming up though
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks? That the coming week that you
Speaker 1: feel like that we're gonna need to need to keep
Speaker 1: a close eye. Yeah, you gotta. Oh I want to.
Speaker 1: I also want to, uh talk about though, You're the Beast?
Speaker 1: How how's that coming along? That's the Dane Brugler. If
Speaker 1: you go to his h is a Twitter page DP Brugler,
Speaker 1: you will find it. He's you'll pin that about that
Speaker 1: tweet about the Beast. I'm not ready which hopefully in
Speaker 1: the next two weeks. I mean I'm working late nights,
Speaker 1: you know, until three am, getting up at seven and
Speaker 1: you know, starting in the back up again and explained
Speaker 1: the Beast. I always we call it the Beast, but
Speaker 1: it's the in depth reports on the top four hundred
Speaker 1: guys in this draft. Uh. You know, we know about
Speaker 1: the top guys, but it's similar to tell me more.
Speaker 1: You know, we try to go really deep on each
Speaker 1: one of these guys. All the details, nothing too small.
Speaker 1: It'll all be in there. So the best draft guide, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is outstanding. And we're working on our
Speaker 1: draft guide too here for Star Magazine. We take a
Speaker 1: lot of pride in that as well, so we'll keep
Speaker 1: everybody abreast of of Danes when it gets out. I say,
Speaker 1: make sure you're following him on Twitter for all good
Speaker 1: draft information. He does a great job too of answering
Speaker 1: your draft questions. If you're new to the Draft show,
Speaker 1: you know, feel free to reach out to him or myself,
Speaker 1: you know, David Hellman. We'll do our best to to
Speaker 1: do that to ask your question. Sure. The radar gun
Speaker 1: times from the combine Shaun Watson came in at forty nine,
Speaker 1: which is below average. Yeah, and I heard the workout
Speaker 1: today was below average right from Clemson. How much stock
Speaker 1: do you put into the mile prour. With the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: traditionally you want at least fifty five. You know, Mahomes
Speaker 1: a sixty, which, right Mahomes is off the chart. But
Speaker 1: traditionally you want fifty five. Now at forty nine, you know,
Speaker 1: you watch my tape and it's okay, it's okay. Not
Speaker 1: a great arm, but not a terrible arm. No, No,
Speaker 1: does the forty nine number worry you at all? Or
Speaker 1: is that a number you just kind of brush off.
Speaker 1: I don't brush it off, but it doesn't bothers me.
Speaker 1: I worry about the accuracy, you know, I worry. I'm
Speaker 1: not not worried. I when a quarterback, I look at accuracy.
Speaker 1: If the ball's slow and it's not accurate, it is
Speaker 1: gonna get knocked down. But to me, you know, when
Speaker 1: you got I still think there's a lot of great
Speaker 1: traits about Watson. I really really do. I like the
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson a lot, but I kind of feel like,
Speaker 1: and I mean, that's what happens with quarterbacks. But people
Speaker 1: are talking about him as a top ten twenty pick,
Speaker 1: and I just don't think that's realistic based on what
Speaker 1: is there. I mean, I've already said it a half
Speaker 1: a dozen times. He's like Dak all over again. And
Speaker 1: Dak obviously you'd pick him one right now, but he
Speaker 1: was projected as a I wouldn't think that Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: showed similar kind of traits. I need to go look
Speaker 1: at that number. But I mean, I don't think that
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's ball speed would I believe he was like
Speaker 1: fifty three, so he was right with the average. I'm
Speaker 1: at the combine, um, but yeah, no, we just don't
Speaker 1: see a lot of below fifty five, but especially below
Speaker 1: fifty that's rare. And so it's just it's just one
Speaker 1: of those interesting, you know, numbers from the combine that
Speaker 1: needs context. But it's something that I don't think you
Speaker 1: brush off. But you know, it's tough to figure out
Speaker 1: how much you weigh something like that. I just feel
Speaker 1: like people are trying to peg him as a top
Speaker 1: twenty pick when he's more like a top sixty pick.
Speaker 1: That's my impression, at least, I don't I have one
Speaker 1: two one him. I've got him, you know, in the
Speaker 1: right around the twenty five to thirty range on my board. Um,
Speaker 1: did quarterbacks get pushed up? Absolutely all the time? Mahomes
Speaker 1: s Goo is did Mahomes go up from fifty for you?
Speaker 1: It's like forty six? Yeah, not not too much, but
Speaker 1: it's everybody's fallen in love with Mahomes and I like
Speaker 1: Mahomes too. Yeah. I have Williams higher than I mean,
Speaker 1: Williams Watson higher than Mahomes. Mahomes is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players in the strap that regardless of position. I
Speaker 1: think people are just because I like watching him on tape.
Speaker 1: People are like watching the crazy plays and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: run around, throw the ball. I mean, Blaine Gabbert went
Speaker 1: eleven overall. Yeah, these things happen. Yeah, all right, well
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, we got one. What's up, Dominic? Go ahead,
Speaker 1: what do you got man? Hey? I was just calling
Speaker 1: about the Tony Romo situation and uh, what I was
Speaker 1: thinking is, um kind of nervous, but don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: We're all We're okay. Yeah, Um, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think they should all. I wouldn't. I would not
Speaker 1: release him, sure, because I think the Cowboys are on
Speaker 1: the cusp of really doing something good, like like like
Speaker 1: you guys said, they have the right tools in place,
Speaker 1: you know, with Elliott and Prescott. So what I would
Speaker 1: do I would hold on to him. And I think
Speaker 1: that some GM is gonna say, Okay, second or third pick,
Speaker 1: what's gonna do me better? Is it gonna be Tony
Speaker 1: Romo or the second or third round pick? And I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna say, hey, we gotta take a shot.
Speaker 1: I mean Romos if he he could get hurt. But
Speaker 1: I I think if you make a trade that's friendly
Speaker 1: and then get to get them at the right price,
Speaker 1: you're not going to sign them for five years. I
Speaker 1: think that's where the Cowboys made a mistake. They gave
Speaker 1: them too much. And I love Tony Romo, but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have paid them, and I think I think they
Speaker 1: should get something for him, and I think they should
Speaker 1: explain that to Tony. I think I think Tony would understand.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, this is the Cowboys. I'm a fan.
Speaker 1: I think about the Cowboys sometimes. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of players they got to get their money they go,
Speaker 1: So Tony's got to give the Cowboys something back. I
Speaker 1: just totally believe that, and I think it's a smart
Speaker 1: thing to do because they are so close to being
Speaker 1: a really great team. Okay, and a good draft this
Speaker 1: this year will really help them all right, Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, thank you very much. Appreciate appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I just and I think when you're when and I
Speaker 1: wonder if Jerry Jones kind of suffers from this as well.
Speaker 1: Like when you're this close to the situation and you've
Speaker 1: seen everything that Tony Romo has done for the franchise,
Speaker 1: you kind of fall into that line of thinking, like
Speaker 1: we have to get something for him. But that's not
Speaker 1: the way it has. Maybe he's surprised that people, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You seeople are surprised if you
Speaker 1: see that quarterback go from Houston to Cleveland for a
Speaker 1: second round pick. You're kind of one R eight players
Speaker 1: are stunned by the cruelty of the open market on
Speaker 1: a regular basis. That's absolutely right. Look at Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: right now. That's absolutely right. And so we'll see how
Speaker 1: it goes. But I just have my doubts that they'll
Speaker 1: be able to get much. You're only worth with the
Speaker 1: market says you're worth. There, you go, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: do it for the draft show for another week. We'll
Speaker 1: be back next week. We'll be a bit closer to
Speaker 1: this NFL Draft. We'll dig in a little more. Find
Speaker 1: some guys for you, for Dame Burglar, for David Hellman,
Speaker 1: for Ken Garrison. I'm Brian brought us what I also
Speaker 1: think Derek Eagleton, Taylor Stern, Guys like that out there
Speaker 1: that help us get this on the air. We appreciate everybody,
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