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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 2: What's Up, everybody, Welcome to another episode of the Season

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Speaker 2: with Peter Schrager. I'm Peter Scheger. I'm joined by Aaron

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Speaker 2: wang Kaufman, my wonderful producer. We are now a week

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Speaker 2: and change removed from the Super Bowl and I'm just

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Speaker 2: flipping the I'm flipping the page. Our guest is gonna

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Speaker 2: be Steve Spagnolo, who has won his fourth Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: as a coordinator, which is an NFL record in the

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Speaker 2: history of the sport. No coordinator has won four different

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl titles. We're gonna get spags on in a bit,

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Speaker 2: but before we do that, I wanted to look ahead

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Speaker 2: to the Combine because if you're clicking on play on

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Speaker 2: this podcast, it's late in the week during this President's

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Speaker 2: Day week, which is kind of a dark period for

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Speaker 2: the NFL, and then you might listen to on the

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Speaker 2: weekend and then guys, before you know it, Monday, everyone

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Speaker 2: descends upon Indianapolis and we already are on the draft season.

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Speaker 2: And to me, the Combine is such a I think

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Speaker 2: the viewers at home and the fans at home see

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Speaker 2: it one way, but those of us in the NFL

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Speaker 2: see it a different way. There is an art and

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Speaker 2: a science to it. The science part is the actual

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Speaker 2: player workouts, which will rule the headlines, and we'll rule

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Speaker 2: the weekend coming up, spanning from Thursday to Sunday, and

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Speaker 2: that's where you're gonna get all your quarterbacks. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: get your freak show athletes, and you're gonna have them

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Speaker 2: And that is the science to it. And if you

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Speaker 2: very significant, but so are the interviews which is earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week which is unfilmed. Again, the science of it,

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Speaker 2: this is stuff that you bring a player in. You

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Speaker 2: Then you have your private interviews where players will walk

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Speaker 2: That is where a fifteen minute interview and the teams

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Speaker 2: all right, So I said art and science. The art

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Speaker 2: do that Monday night. Monday Night. There's a gentleman named

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Speaker 2: Bob Lamont who is an agent to all the top

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Speaker 4: Love it. P doesn't honor to be on this show?

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Speaker 2: Look I'm looking at I googled. I googled something because

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Speaker 5: So I did an internship Pete way back, and I

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Speaker 5: And when you have that and then you're throw in

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Speaker 2: the spot every time they had to be.

424
00:22:11,146 --> 00:22:12,386
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Pete, it's funny.

425
00:22:12,506 --> 00:22:14,386
Speaker 5: I think this time last year when you and I

426
00:22:14,426 --> 00:22:16,146
Speaker 5: talked a little bit after the game. I mean, we

427
00:22:16,146 --> 00:22:19,386
Speaker 5: were pretty young last year with I mean that secondary

428
00:22:19,506 --> 00:22:23,306
Speaker 5: was specifically young with three true rookies and Trent, Josh

429
00:22:23,386 --> 00:22:27,546
Speaker 5: and Jalen. But you're right, the the other guys that

430
00:22:27,666 --> 00:22:30,106
Speaker 5: feel like they're veterans now have only been two or

431
00:22:30,146 --> 00:22:32,906
Speaker 5: three years in the league. And so but I tell

432
00:22:32,906 --> 00:22:35,226
Speaker 5: you what, Peter, I've said this before. When so when

433
00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:38,466
Speaker 5: you make that statement or or we talk about that,

434
00:22:39,146 --> 00:22:42,746
Speaker 5: you can't help but credit the assistant coaches for that

435
00:22:42,826 --> 00:22:45,666
Speaker 5: because one person can't do it or coordinator can't do it.

436
00:22:45,706 --> 00:22:48,866
Speaker 5: And players need to be fed all of this information.

437
00:22:49,026 --> 00:22:50,866
Speaker 5: They need to embrace it, but it needs to be

438
00:22:50,906 --> 00:22:53,506
Speaker 5: fed in a way that they understand it, they get

439
00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:55,826
Speaker 5: it and they can play fast. And I got a

440
00:22:55,866 --> 00:22:57,426
Speaker 5: great staff. I don't know how if you get a

441
00:22:57,506 --> 00:23:01,986
Speaker 5: chance to get to know those guys, Pete, but shut out. Yeah,

442
00:23:02,066 --> 00:23:06,906
Speaker 5: Dave Merrit Brendan Daily, Joe Cullen, Terry Braid, Rod Wilson,

443
00:23:07,786 --> 00:23:11,826
Speaker 5: Alex witting Him, Donald Delacio. I don't think I've missed anybody,

444
00:23:11,826 --> 00:23:13,826
Speaker 5: but it's a great group. I'll tell you to think

445
00:23:13,866 --> 00:23:16,626
Speaker 5: so when you are blessed to go is fir in

446
00:23:16,626 --> 00:23:19,946
Speaker 5: the playoffs as we have for these past five years.

447
00:23:20,546 --> 00:23:23,626
Speaker 5: The downside is all of these guys who should be

448
00:23:23,666 --> 00:23:26,026
Speaker 5: coordinated or should be moving up in the league. It's

449
00:23:26,066 --> 00:23:28,586
Speaker 5: hard to do, Pete right, because the jobs are all

450
00:23:28,666 --> 00:23:31,066
Speaker 5: washed up by the time you get done in February eleventh.

451
00:23:31,106 --> 00:23:33,986
Speaker 5: And now, listen, it's a blessing to win Super Bowls

452
00:23:33,986 --> 00:23:35,266
Speaker 5: and all that. I don't think any of these guys

453
00:23:35,306 --> 00:23:36,986
Speaker 5: are going to give their rings back for a job,

454
00:23:37,066 --> 00:23:39,506
Speaker 5: but I mean it's truly so. I just don't think

455
00:23:39,546 --> 00:23:41,626
Speaker 5: they get enough credit, Pete, and I just want to

456
00:23:41,626 --> 00:23:45,226
Speaker 5: make sure that we always recognize what they mean in

457
00:23:45,266 --> 00:23:46,186
Speaker 5: the middle of this whole thing.

458
00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:48,026
Speaker 2: I don't know if you get enough credit. I thought,

459
00:23:48,026 --> 00:23:49,226
Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw and I know you're

460
00:23:49,226 --> 00:23:53,266
Speaker 2: not living on Twitter one of the fortunate ones. I

461
00:23:53,346 --> 00:23:57,266
Speaker 2: made a big case how absurd it was that you

462
00:23:57,306 --> 00:23:59,666
Speaker 2: weren't being mentioned for head coaching jobs. And you're probably blushing, like,

463
00:23:59,666 --> 00:24:02,626
Speaker 2: don't even go there. Kevin Demoff comes out of the cobwebs.

464
00:24:02,626 --> 00:24:04,266
Speaker 2: I don't even know where he and he goes on

465
00:24:04,306 --> 00:24:04,786
Speaker 2: a ten.

466
00:24:04,746 --> 00:24:08,986
Speaker 5: Tweet any of this, Well, somebody sent it to me

467
00:24:09,026 --> 00:24:11,906
Speaker 5: and I'll tell you what I and I did text Kevin.

468
00:24:12,186 --> 00:24:14,546
Speaker 2: Let me give the context first, but the listeners them

469
00:24:14,586 --> 00:24:16,626
Speaker 2: Off was in Saint Louis, where you were the head

470
00:24:16,626 --> 00:24:20,186
Speaker 2: coach for three years, and Kevin listened about fifteen reasons

471
00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:23,866
Speaker 2: why you had no chance to actually have great success

472
00:24:23,866 --> 00:24:28,186
Speaker 2: because of the ownership change, because of things that were

473
00:24:28,226 --> 00:24:31,346
Speaker 2: done before you got there, because of just the climate

474
00:24:31,466 --> 00:24:33,186
Speaker 2: of what was going on in Saint Louis and the

475
00:24:33,226 --> 00:24:36,026
Speaker 2: money and all this stuff. And Kevin wore it and

476
00:24:36,186 --> 00:24:38,706
Speaker 2: was like, let maybe the first to tell you Spags

477
00:24:38,706 --> 00:24:41,066
Speaker 2: would be an incredible head coach and should have been.

478
00:24:41,466 --> 00:24:44,506
Speaker 2: He didn't have the resources or the opportunity that others

479
00:24:44,546 --> 00:24:47,466
Speaker 2: had to really have success. And I thought that was

480
00:24:47,466 --> 00:24:49,106
Speaker 2: pretty cool to get that from a guy who, for

481
00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:51,946
Speaker 2: being honest, they fired you. And yet he's coming back

482
00:24:51,986 --> 00:24:53,786
Speaker 2: ten years later and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no,

483
00:24:54,306 --> 00:24:56,066
Speaker 2: that was not on. That was not on. Steve.

484
00:24:56,746 --> 00:24:59,266
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it was Listen, it was really nice of

485
00:24:59,346 --> 00:25:01,266
Speaker 5: Kevin to say. I've always had a lot of respect

486
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:02,746
Speaker 5: for him. I think he's a real intelligent guy in

487
00:25:02,746 --> 00:25:05,986
Speaker 5: this business. And listen, it was a challenge. I'd do

488
00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:09,546
Speaker 5: it again because the lessons you learn, you and I

489
00:25:09,586 --> 00:25:11,746
Speaker 5: both know this, right, The lessons you learned from failure

490
00:25:11,866 --> 00:25:15,346
Speaker 5: usually or more valuable than the ones that you learned

491
00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:18,306
Speaker 5: from success, and so I think there was some valuable lessons.

492
00:25:18,306 --> 00:25:21,266
Speaker 5: There were some tremendous relationships pulled from there, and there's

493
00:25:21,306 --> 00:25:23,306
Speaker 5: some things that we're really proud of. I mean, the

494
00:25:23,346 --> 00:25:26,186
Speaker 5: overall record wasn't great, but I really enjoyed our twenty

495
00:25:26,226 --> 00:25:29,906
Speaker 5: ten season. We went from the twenty two thousand and

496
00:25:30,066 --> 00:25:32,706
Speaker 5: nine where we were one and fifteen, and we drafted

497
00:25:32,746 --> 00:25:35,346
Speaker 5: Sam Bradford, who I thought was really really good. He

498
00:25:35,506 --> 00:25:39,906
Speaker 5: was exceptional, and that he was the offensive rookie of

499
00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:42,306
Speaker 5: the year. In twenty ten, you know, we were one game,

500
00:25:42,386 --> 00:25:44,346
Speaker 5: last game of the season. If we win, we're in

501
00:25:44,346 --> 00:25:46,786
Speaker 5: the playoffs, so that we're proud of. And then it

502
00:25:46,826 --> 00:25:48,546
Speaker 5: kind of fell apart in twenty eleven. And listen, we

503
00:25:48,586 --> 00:25:50,986
Speaker 5: all get this business and it's about winning, and we

504
00:25:51,026 --> 00:25:53,346
Speaker 5: didn't win enough game, so it happens. But nice Kevin

505
00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:56,346
Speaker 5: to say that's all in the past. Now, listen, I'm

506
00:25:56,386 --> 00:25:58,986
Speaker 5: blessed to have the things happen after that. And you know,

507
00:25:59,026 --> 00:26:01,786
Speaker 5: God puts us on these these trails and these journeys

508
00:26:01,786 --> 00:26:03,826
Speaker 5: for a reason, Pete, and all of it's been very

509
00:26:03,906 --> 00:26:04,506
Speaker 5: valuable for me.

510
00:26:05,066 --> 00:26:10,906
Speaker 2: Yeah. Obviously your career, it is so decorated with different players.

511
00:26:10,906 --> 00:26:13,386
Speaker 2: You were mentioning the Jeremiah Trotters and the Kavika Mitchells,

512
00:26:13,386 --> 00:26:18,266
Speaker 2: but also legendary coaches. You and I texted when you

513
00:26:18,266 --> 00:26:20,226
Speaker 2: guys had headed over to Germany. You're like, you know,

514
00:26:20,506 --> 00:26:23,866
Speaker 2: I used to coach in the world link and here

515
00:26:23,906 --> 00:26:25,586
Speaker 2: we are and I'm going back and I'm coaching in

516
00:26:25,666 --> 00:26:29,426
Speaker 2: Germany and this is thirty years ago. Take us through

517
00:26:29,466 --> 00:26:32,106
Speaker 2: some of your mentors coaching wise, who really get a

518
00:26:32,146 --> 00:26:34,986
Speaker 2: few opportunities to elevate your career and move in this

519
00:26:35,106 --> 00:26:37,306
Speaker 2: amazing path and have this journey to win four titles.

520
00:26:37,386 --> 00:26:38,346
Speaker 2: The defensive coordinator.

521
00:26:38,986 --> 00:26:41,346
Speaker 5: No, a great question, Pete. I'm glad you asked it.

522
00:26:41,666 --> 00:26:43,666
Speaker 5: I love talking about it. If I go, if I've

523
00:26:43,666 --> 00:26:45,586
Speaker 5: moved backwards, I mean, how blessed am I to worked

524
00:26:45,586 --> 00:26:48,746
Speaker 5: with what I considered two Hall of Fame NFL coaches

525
00:26:48,746 --> 00:26:51,546
Speaker 5: and Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin, and then you know,

526
00:26:51,626 --> 00:26:53,826
Speaker 5: in a close friend of mine, John Harbor, I spent

527
00:26:53,866 --> 00:26:57,186
Speaker 5: two years in Baltimore with which was there was some growth.

528
00:26:57,346 --> 00:26:59,946
Speaker 5: You know, listen, you know when your peers, when you

529
00:26:59,986 --> 00:27:02,266
Speaker 5: get to watch your peers do of it, and you

530
00:27:02,346 --> 00:27:04,306
Speaker 5: know exactly what he's thinking and doing, and you're able

531
00:27:04,306 --> 00:27:04,786
Speaker 5: to pick.

532
00:27:04,626 --> 00:27:07,106
Speaker 4: Apart his brain. That was too valuable years.

533
00:27:07,106 --> 00:27:08,586
Speaker 5: But you know, and then they go all the way

534
00:27:08,626 --> 00:27:11,586
Speaker 5: back to college where I don't know if you remember

535
00:27:11,626 --> 00:27:13,906
Speaker 5: this thing, Pete, but Jack mcnell was the head coach

536
00:27:13,906 --> 00:27:18,106
Speaker 5: of the Boston College Eagles when Doug Flutie was the

537
00:27:18,186 --> 00:27:21,266
Speaker 5: quarterback there and had that miracle down there in Miami.

538
00:27:21,506 --> 00:27:23,986
Speaker 5: But I worked for Jack in one of those years

539
00:27:23,986 --> 00:27:27,666
Speaker 5: in NFL Europe. And you know, Dick Curle was the

540
00:27:27,666 --> 00:27:29,826
Speaker 5: head coach of the Franklin Galaxy to what you were

541
00:27:29,866 --> 00:27:33,346
Speaker 5: talking about, And Dick was nice enough to hire me

542
00:27:33,706 --> 00:27:36,626
Speaker 5: his defensive coordinator. But you know, as much as the

543
00:27:36,746 --> 00:27:39,826
Speaker 5: head coach Bill Russo, I worked for Tom Jackson in Connecticut.

544
00:27:39,906 --> 00:27:42,106
Speaker 5: I mean, the list goes on and on. Tim Murphy

545
00:27:42,146 --> 00:27:45,786
Speaker 5: who just retired at Harvard. He's the Harvard head coach.

546
00:27:45,826 --> 00:27:47,906
Speaker 5: He was head coach at Maine at one time and

547
00:27:47,946 --> 00:27:50,186
Speaker 5: I worked for him for a brief period. But you know,

548
00:27:50,266 --> 00:27:52,666
Speaker 5: as much as the head coaches, Pete, you know, we

549
00:27:52,946 --> 00:27:56,826
Speaker 5: learn and grow from the guys we work with as

550
00:27:56,866 --> 00:27:58,466
Speaker 5: assistant coaches across the board.

551
00:27:58,506 --> 00:27:59,746
Speaker 4: And I love that part of it.

552
00:27:59,826 --> 00:28:02,106
Speaker 5: I mean, one of the things John Harburn I used

553
00:28:02,106 --> 00:28:04,946
Speaker 5: to do when we were back in Philadelphia were together

554
00:28:04,946 --> 00:28:07,146
Speaker 5: for eight years, both assistants. He was a special teams

555
00:28:07,146 --> 00:28:10,586
Speaker 5: coordinator and I either have the secondary linebackers, whatever year

556
00:28:10,626 --> 00:28:14,586
Speaker 5: it was, but we would evaluate each other, Pete, so

557
00:28:15,306 --> 00:28:17,706
Speaker 5: he would spend a day, you know, as a special

558
00:28:17,746 --> 00:28:20,906
Speaker 5: teams coach, he could watch all the other coaches. I'd say, John,

559
00:28:20,986 --> 00:28:23,186
Speaker 5: just watch me for a day and then just give

560
00:28:23,226 --> 00:28:24,906
Speaker 5: me feedback at things that I need to work on.

561
00:28:24,946 --> 00:28:26,306
Speaker 4: And then I would do the same for him.

562
00:28:26,386 --> 00:28:29,266
Speaker 5: I'd go out watch a special teams practice and then

563
00:28:29,306 --> 00:28:31,066
Speaker 5: we used to bounce those things off of each other

564
00:28:31,106 --> 00:28:33,226
Speaker 5: all the time. And so I think when you do that,

565
00:28:33,306 --> 00:28:36,426
Speaker 5: the growth is just greater than just what you might

566
00:28:36,426 --> 00:28:39,506
Speaker 5: get from a clinic or from working from the head coach,

567
00:28:39,546 --> 00:28:43,426
Speaker 5: but just the relationships to me or with what Terrrish and.

568
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:46,626
Speaker 2: Of course the late great Jim Johnson had such an impact.

569
00:28:46,746 --> 00:28:48,586
Speaker 2: Talk about who he was and what he.

570
00:28:48,666 --> 00:28:49,666
Speaker 1: Did to the game.

571
00:28:50,306 --> 00:28:53,426
Speaker 5: Listen, I don't think any of us and you know

572
00:28:53,666 --> 00:28:56,266
Speaker 5: the list Pete of the guys that worked for the gym, myself,

573
00:28:56,346 --> 00:29:00,186
Speaker 5: Ron Vera, Leslie Fraser, Sean McDermott, John Harbor. I think

574
00:29:00,226 --> 00:29:03,106
Speaker 5: the list goes on and on, right, and the influence

575
00:29:03,186 --> 00:29:05,666
Speaker 5: he had on all of us from a defensive perspective,

576
00:29:05,746 --> 00:29:08,986
Speaker 5: he was. We were at the Combine one time and

577
00:29:09,066 --> 00:29:13,066
Speaker 5: I remember, so, I'm I don't know, I'm early forties,

578
00:29:13,106 --> 00:29:15,226
Speaker 5: and you know, Jim's into his mid sixties and he's

579
00:29:15,306 --> 00:29:17,466
Speaker 5: kind of at the end of his career, but he's

580
00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:20,946
Speaker 5: doing great. You know, We're kicking butt in Philadelphia defensively,

581
00:29:21,186 --> 00:29:23,266
Speaker 5: and one of his buddies, who's probably the same age,

582
00:29:23,306 --> 00:29:25,546
Speaker 5: comes up to him and says, hey, Jim, I see

583
00:29:25,546 --> 00:29:29,386
Speaker 5: you finally got your retirement defense in and so we

584
00:29:29,426 --> 00:29:31,026
Speaker 5: didn't really know what he was talking about, so we

585
00:29:31,066 --> 00:29:33,266
Speaker 5: asked him. He goes, well, Jim's wanted to do all

586
00:29:33,306 --> 00:29:37,106
Speaker 5: of these exotic, crazy defenses, and now he doesn't because

587
00:29:37,106 --> 00:29:39,946
Speaker 5: he figures if they didn't work, he's retiring anyway, right,

588
00:29:40,146 --> 00:29:43,066
Speaker 5: I thought that was the greatest line in the world. Yeah,

589
00:29:43,146 --> 00:29:45,346
Speaker 5: because one of the things Jim did do, and you

590
00:29:45,466 --> 00:29:47,826
Speaker 5: know from watching it, was he would take he would

591
00:29:47,906 --> 00:29:54,186
Speaker 5: take some real chances at what we did and overloaded. Yeah,

592
00:29:54,546 --> 00:29:56,026
Speaker 5: it's not as much of a chance when you got

593
00:29:56,066 --> 00:29:58,466
Speaker 5: Brian Doctors doing it. But I'll tell you what, there

594
00:29:58,506 --> 00:30:00,706
Speaker 5: were the things we did that were a little unconventional.

595
00:30:02,026 --> 00:30:04,386
Speaker 4: And we still do him today. I mean we don't.

596
00:30:04,466 --> 00:30:07,706
Speaker 5: Yeah, we offensive offensive is pretty smart now, so they'll

597
00:30:07,746 --> 00:30:10,706
Speaker 5: hurt you if you get too crazy. But because of

598
00:30:10,786 --> 00:30:13,266
Speaker 5: his influences where I'm going, I think a lot of

599
00:30:13,386 --> 00:30:14,986
Speaker 5: us have things that we wouldn't have had had we

600
00:30:15,066 --> 00:30:15,706
Speaker 5: not worked.

601
00:30:15,466 --> 00:30:19,266
Speaker 2: With Jim Giants era. You go there two thousand and seven.

602
00:30:19,306 --> 00:30:22,506
Speaker 2: Obviously you guys have all this incredible playoff front. Talk

603
00:30:22,546 --> 00:30:25,626
Speaker 2: about that defensive front and working with talking o C

604
00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:29,506
Speaker 2: and straighthand and of course Jay Alford and Dave Tollison

605
00:30:29,546 --> 00:30:32,466
Speaker 2: and I love I love that O seven Giants defense,

606
00:30:32,586 --> 00:30:34,306
Speaker 2: And if you can give us a little color on

607
00:30:34,506 --> 00:30:36,666
Speaker 2: preparing for that offense, which at the time was the

608
00:30:36,706 --> 00:30:39,266
Speaker 2: greatest offense the NFL had ever seen, and having those

609
00:30:39,346 --> 00:30:41,906
Speaker 2: teen days to build some sort of defensive game plan.

610
00:30:42,426 --> 00:30:43,626
Speaker 4: I remember Pete.

611
00:30:45,106 --> 00:30:46,666
Speaker 5: In the lead up to the game, you know, looking

612
00:30:46,666 --> 00:30:48,506
Speaker 5: at them as you watch the tape, and Tom Brady

613
00:30:48,546 --> 00:30:51,026
Speaker 5: and the weapons they had, Randy Moss, all of them.

614
00:30:51,866 --> 00:30:53,746
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, oh my god, if we could just

615
00:30:53,866 --> 00:30:57,026
Speaker 5: hold them under thirty five, you know, maybe we gotta

616
00:30:57,346 --> 00:30:59,026
Speaker 5: Maybe we got a chance to be If we don't,

617
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:01,666
Speaker 5: we got no chance. But I mean, that's how dynamic

618
00:31:01,786 --> 00:31:05,306
Speaker 5: they were. But you led this thing with those naids

619
00:31:05,426 --> 00:31:08,466
Speaker 5: up front, and any defense has to start up front.

620
00:31:08,506 --> 00:31:10,746
Speaker 5: So but I will say this, I'm going to go

621
00:31:10,866 --> 00:31:13,506
Speaker 5: back to Antonio piss. He was the glue in the

622
00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:14,946
Speaker 5: middle that.

623
00:31:15,106 --> 00:31:16,906
Speaker 4: Really kept it all agether like he could. He could.

624
00:31:17,026 --> 00:31:18,506
Speaker 5: That's why he said, a good head coach now he

625
00:31:18,546 --> 00:31:21,386
Speaker 5: could connect all the rooms because he can speak the

626
00:31:21,506 --> 00:31:24,266
Speaker 5: language of the dbs and the linebackers and the d line.

627
00:31:24,266 --> 00:31:26,906
Speaker 5: He can go over to the offensive guys and he can.

628
00:31:27,346 --> 00:31:29,146
Speaker 5: I mean, he can rile things up and he knows

629
00:31:29,186 --> 00:31:29,986
Speaker 5: how to get people.

630
00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:32,066
Speaker 4: And that's why he's so good at what he's doing.

631
00:31:32,106 --> 00:31:32,186
Speaker 5: Now.

632
00:31:32,226 --> 00:31:32,506
Speaker 4: I knew.

633
00:31:32,506 --> 00:31:34,186
Speaker 5: I told his dad five years ago when he got

634
00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:35,866
Speaker 5: in the league's assistant I said, heyp the head coach

635
00:31:35,906 --> 00:31:36,466
Speaker 5: in five years.

636
00:31:38,066 --> 00:31:40,706
Speaker 4: Yeah, he beat it by two years because that that's Antonio.

637
00:31:40,826 --> 00:31:43,306
Speaker 2: But do you remember he was an NFC Championship game.

638
00:31:43,386 --> 00:31:46,946
Speaker 2: He has a hit on either Ryan Grant or Brandon

639
00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:50,026
Speaker 2: Jackson and it's up in green Bay and Antonio Pierce

640
00:31:50,066 --> 00:31:51,866
Speaker 2: saves a touchdown on a third and long and a

641
00:31:51,906 --> 00:31:53,826
Speaker 2: little screen path. It's one of the greatest defensive plays

642
00:31:53,866 --> 00:31:54,666
Speaker 2: the Giants ever had.

643
00:31:55,226 --> 00:31:58,306
Speaker 4: Pete great memory. He would it off too.

644
00:31:58,426 --> 00:32:01,666
Speaker 5: There was nobody there if he gets blocked by green

645
00:32:01,706 --> 00:32:03,546
Speaker 5: Bay's offensive lineman. I mean, he would have been in

646
00:32:03,586 --> 00:32:05,466
Speaker 5: the in the end z on his huge play. I

647
00:32:05,506 --> 00:32:07,706
Speaker 5: mean it was that might have been Pete. It might

648
00:32:07,746 --> 00:32:09,706
Speaker 5: have been one of those risky calls that you say,

649
00:32:10,306 --> 00:32:15,186
Speaker 5: shot here and Antonio saved us. But then you go

650
00:32:15,306 --> 00:32:18,026
Speaker 5: back on the back end there you know Sam Madison,

651
00:32:18,066 --> 00:32:20,346
Speaker 5: who's coaching now that with the Miami Dolphins, he was

652
00:32:20,426 --> 00:32:25,466
Speaker 5: a corner, Corey Webs That, James Butler, Jabelle Wilson. I mean,

653
00:32:25,506 --> 00:32:27,906
Speaker 5: we had a bunch of guys that just, you know,

654
00:32:28,106 --> 00:32:31,546
Speaker 5: not household names, not superstars, you know, but they it

655
00:32:31,666 --> 00:32:34,466
Speaker 5: was just another group that played like that high IQ.

656
00:32:35,706 --> 00:32:37,346
Speaker 5: It was a little rough early in the year, but

657
00:32:37,426 --> 00:32:39,546
Speaker 5: because they all stuck with it, and they believed in it,

658
00:32:39,586 --> 00:32:40,586
Speaker 5: and they believed in each other.

659
00:32:40,946 --> 00:32:42,146
Speaker 4: They got better and better and better.

660
00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:44,306
Speaker 5: And then in that game, I mean, the biggest thing

661
00:32:44,346 --> 00:32:46,426
Speaker 5: in that game for us Pete was we didn't allow

662
00:32:47,386 --> 00:32:50,266
Speaker 5: I don't think we allowed to pass completion over twenty yards.

663
00:32:50,306 --> 00:32:53,106
Speaker 5: In other words, we didn't allow the explosive pass play,

664
00:32:53,386 --> 00:32:55,426
Speaker 5: which is the same thing that happened in this past one.

665
00:32:55,466 --> 00:32:57,506
Speaker 5: And I think when you do that, you know, and

666
00:32:57,626 --> 00:32:59,706
Speaker 5: you can make a play here or there, you can

667
00:32:59,906 --> 00:33:01,946
Speaker 5: keep the point total down.

668
00:33:02,066 --> 00:33:03,546
Speaker 4: And you know, we certainly did it in that game

669
00:33:03,626 --> 00:33:04,946
Speaker 4: and obviously in this past one too.

670
00:33:05,426 --> 00:33:07,546
Speaker 2: You've coached all these two was just you've won four,

671
00:33:07,706 --> 00:33:10,186
Speaker 2: but there's other games that you coached in there. The

672
00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,666
Speaker 2: super Bowl week, I thought Mahomes had such a subtle

673
00:33:12,706 --> 00:33:15,066
Speaker 2: little comment that didn't get enough pickup, and I went

674
00:33:15,106 --> 00:33:17,346
Speaker 2: big on it. Good Lord football. He said, yeah, and

675
00:33:17,386 --> 00:33:20,266
Speaker 2: I'm doing my pat voice. Yeah, you know, it's we're

676
00:33:20,346 --> 00:33:22,466
Speaker 2: just gonna I'm just gonna do what I always do

677
00:33:22,586 --> 00:33:24,466
Speaker 2: this week. I'm gonna stick to my routine. And I said,

678
00:33:24,506 --> 00:33:26,826
Speaker 2: what a subtle flex that he has a super Bowl

679
00:33:26,866 --> 00:33:30,746
Speaker 2: week routine, like so many players just just desire to

680
00:33:30,786 --> 00:33:32,746
Speaker 2: get to one and he's got a superw week routine

681
00:33:32,786 --> 00:33:35,026
Speaker 2: that he does. You must have it too. When do

682
00:33:35,106 --> 00:33:37,906
Speaker 2: you start cracking open the books on a Niners offense?

683
00:33:37,946 --> 00:33:41,266
Speaker 2: Does that start the second you get home? After you guys,

684
00:33:41,466 --> 00:33:43,786
Speaker 2: you know, beat the Ravens on Sunday or you take

685
00:33:43,786 --> 00:33:45,906
Speaker 2: a couple of days and then you know you're a

686
00:33:45,986 --> 00:33:48,186
Speaker 2: mastermind and you're gonna be humble about it. But when

687
00:33:48,226 --> 00:33:50,946
Speaker 2: do you start employing like, here's how we stop this team?

688
00:33:52,066 --> 00:33:55,986
Speaker 5: Well, it does happen that Monday, Like we did not

689
00:33:56,226 --> 00:34:00,466
Speaker 5: do very much with the previous games, so we we

690
00:34:00,506 --> 00:34:03,106
Speaker 5: win the we went in Baltimore, right, we have the

691
00:34:03,426 --> 00:34:05,346
Speaker 5: tell you what was different, Pete, was we had a

692
00:34:05,426 --> 00:34:07,506
Speaker 5: plane flight after an AFC Chanir.

693
00:34:08,706 --> 00:34:09,706
Speaker 4: We had been home, so that was a.

694
00:34:09,666 --> 00:34:16,146
Speaker 5: Little bit different. That was enjoyable and normal, No flex

695
00:34:16,226 --> 00:34:18,626
Speaker 5: It just kind of popped in my head. But you know,

696
00:34:18,746 --> 00:34:20,986
Speaker 5: normally on the plane after a game, I would watch

697
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:23,106
Speaker 5: the game that we just played on the iPad.

698
00:34:23,146 --> 00:34:24,866
Speaker 4: I didn't do that. I just I just forgured that

699
00:34:24,986 --> 00:34:26,106
Speaker 4: was time. Let's just enjoy this.

700
00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:29,226
Speaker 5: But the minute we got out on Monday morning, it

701
00:34:29,466 --> 00:34:32,906
Speaker 5: was right into San Francisco. And the way Andy does

702
00:34:33,026 --> 00:34:36,506
Speaker 5: things is we we kind of keep a normal week

703
00:34:36,626 --> 00:34:39,186
Speaker 5: for that first sweek Peete. The only thing that's different

704
00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:41,306
Speaker 5: is getting ready with tickets and all that. But but

705
00:34:41,426 --> 00:34:44,186
Speaker 5: he pushed it back one day. So when we finally

706
00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:47,626
Speaker 5: got to Wednesday during that week, it was an NFL Tuesday,

707
00:34:47,666 --> 00:34:49,706
Speaker 5: and then Thursday was an NFL Wednesday, and we got

708
00:34:49,746 --> 00:34:52,426
Speaker 5: on a normal flow, so that by the time we

709
00:34:52,506 --> 00:34:56,506
Speaker 5: got on the plane on Sunday, really eighty eighty eighty

710
00:34:56,586 --> 00:34:59,626
Speaker 5: five percent of the work is done. Now there's some tweaking,

711
00:34:59,946 --> 00:35:01,946
Speaker 5: and that's where coaches can get themselves in trouble.

712
00:35:02,906 --> 00:35:05,506
Speaker 4: Other week. Yeah, and that goes on too.

713
00:35:05,546 --> 00:35:08,106
Speaker 5: And I always tell I told the defensive staff, make

714
00:35:08,146 --> 00:35:09,866
Speaker 5: sure you put a put some rains in on me,

715
00:35:09,986 --> 00:35:11,906
Speaker 5: because if I walk in here and say, hey, we

716
00:35:12,026 --> 00:35:13,786
Speaker 5: need to put this in, you know, give me the whoa,

717
00:35:13,786 --> 00:35:15,466
Speaker 5: whoa whoa, we might not need to do that. And

718
00:35:15,866 --> 00:35:18,426
Speaker 5: so that's a challenge that that second week is a

719
00:35:18,586 --> 00:35:21,106
Speaker 5: challenge for a lot of reasons. You know, keeping the

720
00:35:21,146 --> 00:35:23,266
Speaker 5: guys focus, which I guys do a great job of

721
00:35:24,466 --> 00:35:26,386
Speaker 5: making sure you're not putting too much in because you

722
00:35:26,466 --> 00:35:28,146
Speaker 5: have the extra week looking at too much film.

723
00:35:28,146 --> 00:35:30,226
Speaker 4: I have to stop myself from watching film.

724
00:35:30,346 --> 00:35:32,026
Speaker 2: One are you one of those film junkies, and I

725
00:35:32,106 --> 00:35:34,066
Speaker 2: don't know that about he's what like, I know, I

726
00:35:34,146 --> 00:35:35,706
Speaker 2: talked to McVeigh a lot, and he'll be up at

727
00:35:35,706 --> 00:35:37,986
Speaker 2: four in the morning looking at like nineteen ninety eight film.

728
00:35:37,986 --> 00:35:38,786
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you doing?

729
00:35:38,866 --> 00:35:42,106
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well I listen, I don't. Every once in

730
00:35:42,146 --> 00:35:43,866
Speaker 5: a while you go back and have it. Oh I

731
00:35:43,906 --> 00:35:45,426
Speaker 5: got to go back and look at such and such.

732
00:35:45,706 --> 00:35:47,706
Speaker 5: That's where you drive the video people crazy. Right, he

733
00:35:47,786 --> 00:35:49,746
Speaker 5: can get me the get me the fellow out feed

734
00:35:49,826 --> 00:35:53,066
Speaker 5: Eagles two thousand and one whatever, and then they got

735
00:35:53,146 --> 00:35:56,026
Speaker 5: to go digging for it. Uh. But yeah, I think

736
00:35:56,066 --> 00:35:58,826
Speaker 5: we're all built like that, Pete, because that's where it begins, right,

737
00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:01,266
Speaker 5: That's where your ideas and formulated. That's where you can

738
00:36:01,546 --> 00:36:03,506
Speaker 5: and this is listen, this is a big barrow and

739
00:36:03,626 --> 00:36:06,946
Speaker 5: still defense. I mean off borrowing field love that no

740
00:36:07,066 --> 00:36:07,546
Speaker 5: beg bar.

741
00:36:07,586 --> 00:36:09,466
Speaker 4: And steel profession. We all do that.

742
00:36:09,746 --> 00:36:11,946
Speaker 5: Like you'll see a You'll see and I don't what

743
00:36:12,066 --> 00:36:14,026
Speaker 5: did they do? And you might tweak it a little bit,

744
00:36:14,066 --> 00:36:16,546
Speaker 5: but you're stealing it from something, right, because nobody's got

745
00:36:16,586 --> 00:36:20,026
Speaker 5: an original idea anymore. But that's what the beauty of

746
00:36:20,186 --> 00:36:22,666
Speaker 5: this game is. It ghosts in cycles, right, I mean,

747
00:36:22,706 --> 00:36:26,226
Speaker 5: we're seeing some running football coming back now after years

748
00:36:26,266 --> 00:36:28,186
Speaker 5: and years of all the spread and throwing it all

749
00:36:28,226 --> 00:36:30,506
Speaker 5: over the place and uh, and you just try to

750
00:36:30,546 --> 00:36:31,426
Speaker 5: stay ahead of the cycle.

751
00:36:31,466 --> 00:36:32,626
Speaker 4: But I think we all enjoy.

752
00:36:32,826 --> 00:36:35,746
Speaker 5: If you don't enjoy grind and tape, then you're probably

753
00:36:35,786 --> 00:36:36,586
Speaker 5: not in the right business.

754
00:36:36,906 --> 00:36:38,746
Speaker 2: I said, the biggest X factor is going to be

755
00:36:38,826 --> 00:36:42,946
Speaker 2: Spags versus Kyle Shanahan. And they had their big plays

756
00:36:43,026 --> 00:36:45,386
Speaker 2: like McCaffrey got his you know at points, but you

757
00:36:45,426 --> 00:36:46,946
Speaker 2: got it was Ben but don't break. For the most

758
00:36:46,986 --> 00:36:50,946
Speaker 2: part for you guys, Yeah, the challenge of preparing for

759
00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:53,226
Speaker 2: that offense. What was that like going into this thing?

760
00:36:53,906 --> 00:36:55,866
Speaker 5: Well, not only do they have all those weapons like

761
00:36:55,946 --> 00:36:58,266
Speaker 5: you and I know, but I mean Kyle, Kyle is

762
00:36:58,346 --> 00:37:01,546
Speaker 5: really good. He made everything look the same. You know,

763
00:37:01,586 --> 00:37:03,346
Speaker 5: that kind of goes all the way back to his dad.

764
00:37:03,906 --> 00:37:07,426
Speaker 5: I've always thought that that was a hard offense to defend,

765
00:37:07,986 --> 00:37:09,986
Speaker 5: and with all those weapons, it was just one of

766
00:37:10,066 --> 00:37:13,186
Speaker 5: those games where you couldn't say, okay, okay, we just

767
00:37:13,386 --> 00:37:15,706
Speaker 5: need to take that away because the minute you did that,

768
00:37:15,906 --> 00:37:17,786
Speaker 5: he had so many other places to go. And then

769
00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:20,106
Speaker 5: Kyle figures that out but it did begin with the

770
00:37:20,186 --> 00:37:22,626
Speaker 5: running back. I mean, we couldn't let Christian McCaffey and

771
00:37:22,666 --> 00:37:25,106
Speaker 5: he got you know, he he poked away at a

772
00:37:25,146 --> 00:37:27,226
Speaker 5: couple of runs and you know, and had a pass

773
00:37:27,266 --> 00:37:30,306
Speaker 5: completion that we just couldn't get there in time. Like

774
00:37:30,506 --> 00:37:32,826
Speaker 5: Edward was almost made the tackle, but then they sped

775
00:37:32,826 --> 00:37:36,826
Speaker 5: out because he that high step that un do he

776
00:37:36,986 --> 00:37:40,666
Speaker 5: just right, Yeah, I think I've seen you do that before.

777
00:37:40,946 --> 00:37:43,226
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in the streets of New York. That's me

778
00:37:43,626 --> 00:37:44,426
Speaker 2: running from the top.

779
00:37:45,586 --> 00:37:47,666
Speaker 5: But I mean with that offense, I mean, that's why

780
00:37:47,706 --> 00:37:49,626
Speaker 5: they were so good all year long. There just but

781
00:37:49,826 --> 00:37:52,906
Speaker 5: I will say this Ore what really helped us was

782
00:37:53,426 --> 00:37:56,466
Speaker 5: l J. Trent, whether Josh and Jalen was in there,

783
00:37:56,586 --> 00:37:59,026
Speaker 5: because we did have to switch in the middle of

784
00:37:59,066 --> 00:38:00,306
Speaker 5: that game to play a little bit more.

785
00:38:00,466 --> 00:38:00,626
Speaker 4: Man.

786
00:38:00,786 --> 00:38:03,626
Speaker 5: I just didn't think that his own coverage was was

787
00:38:03,746 --> 00:38:05,546
Speaker 5: tight enough, and they had a couple of completions that

788
00:38:05,666 --> 00:38:08,186
Speaker 5: those in breaking that they always get. I thought our

789
00:38:08,226 --> 00:38:12,026
Speaker 5: linebackers could get deep enough and our quarter safeties would

790
00:38:12,026 --> 00:38:12,306
Speaker 5: be there.

791
00:38:12,346 --> 00:38:14,586
Speaker 4: But they're just so good they and I think rocked

792
00:38:14,666 --> 00:38:17,426
Speaker 4: pretty Uh. I think he's terrific.

793
00:38:18,866 --> 00:38:21,426
Speaker 2: Watched you watched all the games and you know there's

794
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,506
Speaker 2: guys on TV me included who poke holes and pies.

795
00:38:24,866 --> 00:38:27,866
Speaker 4: No, you got to watch the whole Yeah, I didn't

796
00:38:27,866 --> 00:38:28,826
Speaker 4: find many. I did tell you.

797
00:38:28,866 --> 00:38:30,626
Speaker 5: The other thing that that stuck out was and those

798
00:38:31,386 --> 00:38:35,226
Speaker 5: you know, so we played tour, we play, uh, Josh

799
00:38:35,306 --> 00:38:38,026
Speaker 5: Allen play with Jackson, and you've got to worry about

800
00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:40,306
Speaker 5: those guys always running football. So we get now it's

801
00:38:40,306 --> 00:38:42,266
Speaker 5: going to be San Francisco. We haven't watched a lot

802
00:38:42,306 --> 00:38:44,466
Speaker 5: of film with them, so I don't really know him. Okay,

803
00:38:44,506 --> 00:38:48,426
Speaker 5: it's a backup quarterback. Okay, maybe he's not a runner.

804
00:38:48,546 --> 00:38:50,946
Speaker 5: Maybe we maybe we can get a little break here.

805
00:38:51,186 --> 00:38:53,626
Speaker 5: I turned the film Lin and then he's ripping Green

806
00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:55,146
Speaker 5: Bay and Detroit with a couple of you know, the

807
00:38:55,226 --> 00:38:59,666
Speaker 5: run plays that were against the Troit And I said, okay,

808
00:38:59,706 --> 00:39:01,506
Speaker 5: here we go. We got another one. I will I'll

809
00:39:01,546 --> 00:39:04,306
Speaker 5: tell I'll be honest with you. I just texted Brock

810
00:39:04,386 --> 00:39:06,426
Speaker 5: the other day. I tried to track down and sell number.

811
00:39:06,946 --> 00:39:09,586
Speaker 5: I just wanted to tell him how much respect I

812
00:39:09,746 --> 00:39:12,306
Speaker 5: have for him. Well, dude, I love a terrific game

813
00:39:12,346 --> 00:39:16,186
Speaker 5: he played. I mean, and he's he's such a quality guy,

814
00:39:16,386 --> 00:39:19,626
Speaker 5: strong Christian man, and I respect all of that, and

815
00:39:19,866 --> 00:39:21,226
Speaker 5: I'm happy for all his success.

816
00:39:21,266 --> 00:39:24,506
Speaker 4: I'm glad he didn't have quite.

817
00:39:25,026 --> 00:39:26,986
Speaker 2: But let's get Let's get to the big spot because

818
00:39:26,986 --> 00:39:29,666
Speaker 2: it's third and four, and if Perdy converts a first down,

819
00:39:30,266 --> 00:39:32,546
Speaker 2: the game is essentially over because Patt doesn't get the

820
00:39:32,586 --> 00:39:35,306
Speaker 2: ball back and you send McDuffie on a blitz. Now,

821
00:39:35,306 --> 00:39:37,186
Speaker 2: I've watched this play and I haven't spoken about it

822
00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:39,026
Speaker 2: on television or I haven't spoken to Kyle about it.

823
00:39:39,546 --> 00:39:42,226
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting they had Kittle in the

824
00:39:42,306 --> 00:39:46,426
Speaker 2: backfield as the blocker and not McCaffrey, who's traditionally back there.

825
00:39:47,106 --> 00:39:49,026
Speaker 2: Did that Did that raise a red flag to you

826
00:39:49,106 --> 00:39:51,346
Speaker 2: and say, okay, we've got something that What was your

827
00:39:51,386 --> 00:39:53,986
Speaker 2: thought on third and four coming out of a huge

828
00:39:54,066 --> 00:39:56,746
Speaker 2: stop to play beforehand, because if they get the first down,

829
00:39:56,826 --> 00:39:58,666
Speaker 2: they belave the clock kick a field goal, game is over.

830
00:39:59,306 --> 00:40:01,346
Speaker 4: I think that was Did Trent make that play on

831
00:40:01,546 --> 00:40:05,186
Speaker 4: the kid on that it was a great tackle. Well,

832
00:40:05,306 --> 00:40:06,266
Speaker 4: here's what happened, Pete.

833
00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:11,346
Speaker 5: So if you remember on that play, there was about

834
00:40:11,426 --> 00:40:13,826
Speaker 5: two twenty or something or two fifteen when they broke

835
00:40:13,906 --> 00:40:17,506
Speaker 5: the huddle. So we made a call because I didn't

836
00:40:17,506 --> 00:40:18,586
Speaker 5: know if he was going to let it come down

837
00:40:18,626 --> 00:40:20,106
Speaker 5: to the two minute or not, and they decided to

838
00:40:20,266 --> 00:40:22,746
Speaker 5: let it come down. We made a particular call. And

839
00:40:22,786 --> 00:40:24,746
Speaker 5: then when I went to the two minute warning, of course,

840
00:40:24,786 --> 00:40:26,306
Speaker 5: with the with the Super Bowl.

841
00:40:26,146 --> 00:40:28,506
Speaker 2: With these times, big break to discuss.

842
00:40:28,226 --> 00:40:30,746
Speaker 4: Big break, huge break. So that's when the wheels go

843
00:40:30,986 --> 00:40:31,146
Speaker 4: like this.

844
00:40:31,346 --> 00:40:34,066
Speaker 5: And so it was at that moment, you look, okay,

845
00:40:34,146 --> 00:40:35,826
Speaker 5: this is really In my mind, I said to my

846
00:40:36,266 --> 00:40:38,026
Speaker 5: this is really this is a fourth down play.

847
00:40:38,506 --> 00:40:40,626
Speaker 4: This is not a third and four or five what

848
00:40:40,706 --> 00:40:43,186
Speaker 4: it was. This is critical. I had a thought.

849
00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:44,986
Speaker 5: I looked at my list and I said, I need

850
00:40:45,066 --> 00:40:46,986
Speaker 5: to ask Nick about this. This is the trust I

851
00:40:47,066 --> 00:40:49,706
Speaker 5: had in Nick Bolton. So Nick's on the field now

852
00:40:49,746 --> 00:40:52,546
Speaker 5: he can't he can't talk to me, but I'm staring

853
00:40:52,666 --> 00:40:54,946
Speaker 5: right at him. I clicked the button and I said, Nick,

854
00:40:55,026 --> 00:40:57,626
Speaker 5: what do you think about this? All I wanted to

855
00:40:57,706 --> 00:41:02,266
Speaker 5: do was see his reaction, and he just stided yes, yes, yes,

856
00:41:02,346 --> 00:41:03,706
Speaker 5: and he did the signal and it he was like

857
00:41:03,786 --> 00:41:06,546
Speaker 5: he was all in. And so I knew I know

858
00:41:06,626 --> 00:41:08,786
Speaker 5: when he was all in that we should change it

859
00:41:08,826 --> 00:41:11,986
Speaker 5: to that. So changed personnel and put a different call

860
00:41:12,066 --> 00:41:14,706
Speaker 5: in and it was a fourth down call or or

861
00:41:14,986 --> 00:41:17,066
Speaker 5: what we had on our fourth down list, and it

862
00:41:17,186 --> 00:41:21,146
Speaker 5: was for the critical situation and fortunately for us, you know,

863
00:41:21,746 --> 00:41:24,546
Speaker 5: our guys executed it really well. I mean to Mario O'Connor,

864
00:41:24,946 --> 00:41:27,066
Speaker 5: if you go back and watch it, Pete, he kind

865
00:41:27,106 --> 00:41:27,586
Speaker 5: of goes back.

866
00:41:27,626 --> 00:41:29,306
Speaker 4: He at first he was a little.

867
00:41:29,066 --> 00:41:31,986
Speaker 5: Bit confused because the to the point that you're making

868
00:41:32,746 --> 00:41:34,226
Speaker 5: about Kittle being in the backfield.

869
00:41:34,666 --> 00:41:37,866
Speaker 4: But the guys unwounded, and uh, Jay Reid was critical

870
00:41:37,946 --> 00:41:39,866
Speaker 4: in it. Trent was critical, and you.

871
00:41:39,906 --> 00:41:42,586
Speaker 2: Know, and Tred hits that hole and comes right in

872
00:41:42,946 --> 00:41:45,866
Speaker 2: and does he tip the pass or is he just enough?

873
00:41:46,026 --> 00:41:46,306
Speaker 2: He did?

874
00:41:46,546 --> 00:41:47,386
Speaker 4: He's really good at that.

875
00:41:47,466 --> 00:41:50,346
Speaker 5: I mean, we you know, we we're all about trying

876
00:41:50,386 --> 00:41:53,706
Speaker 5: to find free runners, right however we can dissect it

877
00:41:53,786 --> 00:41:56,346
Speaker 5: and can't always get them. But in that play, we did,

878
00:41:56,666 --> 00:41:59,426
Speaker 5: and I you know, I watch it and I thought

879
00:41:59,506 --> 00:42:02,586
Speaker 5: our man coverage Dean Bush was in it because we

880
00:42:02,666 --> 00:42:04,586
Speaker 5: had if you watch it, I think there's eight DB's

881
00:42:04,626 --> 00:42:07,346
Speaker 5: in there or something, only have two lines, and it

882
00:42:07,426 --> 00:42:09,546
Speaker 5: was something that we had. But you know, I think

883
00:42:09,626 --> 00:42:12,026
Speaker 5: Dion's gonna I think theon's going to make a break

884
00:42:12,106 --> 00:42:14,866
Speaker 5: in such a way that I maybe he knocks it down.

885
00:42:14,946 --> 00:42:17,626
Speaker 5: So I just got the guys the way they played

886
00:42:17,666 --> 00:42:20,146
Speaker 5: it was, they executed it perfect and.

887
00:42:20,506 --> 00:42:22,586
Speaker 2: You get the ball back and on that moment you

888
00:42:22,746 --> 00:42:24,666
Speaker 2: go to there, everyone's coming to the sidelines. Are you

889
00:42:24,746 --> 00:42:26,986
Speaker 2: guys just freaking like, Yes, we did it, like we

890
00:42:27,106 --> 00:42:28,506
Speaker 2: need to make a stop work and we did it.

891
00:42:28,626 --> 00:42:30,706
Speaker 2: Like that's got to be the coolest. You change the

892
00:42:30,706 --> 00:42:32,466
Speaker 2: play call at the two minute warning, you get the

893
00:42:32,546 --> 00:42:34,826
Speaker 2: play and now you give my homes a chance, and

894
00:42:34,906 --> 00:42:36,626
Speaker 2: you have to have the utmost confidence that, oh, well,

895
00:42:36,666 --> 00:42:37,866
Speaker 2: this dude's going to get it done.

896
00:42:38,266 --> 00:42:39,706
Speaker 4: Well, there's no question about that.

897
00:42:39,906 --> 00:42:43,426
Speaker 5: Now, we'd rather not put him in that situation, you know,

898
00:42:43,466 --> 00:42:45,106
Speaker 5: because that's got to come down and tie it. But

899
00:42:45,666 --> 00:42:48,826
Speaker 5: all the confidence in the world and Patrick and our guys,

900
00:42:48,906 --> 00:42:51,426
Speaker 5: I think know that if we could have just I

901
00:42:51,546 --> 00:42:55,186
Speaker 5: think I think early in that particular drive we're talking about,

902
00:42:56,346 --> 00:43:00,026
Speaker 5: they hit they hit one of their longer passes early

903
00:43:00,106 --> 00:43:02,226
Speaker 5: in that drive. Now that you know, we're talking about

904
00:43:02,226 --> 00:43:04,026
Speaker 5: the good one, but I'm always thinking about the one

905
00:43:04,266 --> 00:43:07,106
Speaker 5: that it should change. And then there was one and

906
00:43:07,146 --> 00:43:09,466
Speaker 5: then the one that that sticks out is the third

907
00:43:09,506 --> 00:43:12,426
Speaker 5: and thirteen in overtime that we got the penalty on

908
00:43:12,546 --> 00:43:15,826
Speaker 5: tr hold little tug. Yeah, and uh, you know they

909
00:43:15,946 --> 00:43:16,986
Speaker 5: called it, so that's the way this is. But it

910
00:43:16,986 --> 00:43:18,626
Speaker 5: would have been nice if we could have sent Patrick

911
00:43:18,666 --> 00:43:22,146
Speaker 5: Heldea right, yeah, and then kick a field goal. But

912
00:43:22,506 --> 00:43:24,866
Speaker 5: that's okay. I mean, it was dramatic for the public.

913
00:43:24,946 --> 00:43:27,106
Speaker 5: We wanted we wanted the public to have a dramatic game.

914
00:43:27,306 --> 00:43:32,186
Speaker 2: It was pretty I guess my next question is, you know,

915
00:43:32,426 --> 00:43:35,626
Speaker 2: with with that victory and you guys are are celebrating

916
00:43:35,706 --> 00:43:39,866
Speaker 2: and the deal liked, do the players do they you're

917
00:43:39,866 --> 00:43:42,546
Speaker 2: talking about McDuffie now has two Super Bowl rings in

918
00:43:42,626 --> 00:43:45,866
Speaker 2: two years and Sneed's got three trips to the Super Bowl? Like,

919
00:43:46,106 --> 00:43:49,146
Speaker 2: do the players recognize just how special this is? Do

920
00:43:49,186 --> 00:43:52,146
Speaker 2: you think they understand just how absurd it is what

921
00:43:52,266 --> 00:43:52,906
Speaker 2: you guys are doing.

922
00:43:53,866 --> 00:43:56,946
Speaker 5: That is a great question, probably better question for them.

923
00:43:57,146 --> 00:43:58,786
Speaker 5: I mean you're trying to remind them. But in the

924
00:43:58,826 --> 00:44:00,706
Speaker 5: middle of it, you know, me all the dancing in

925
00:44:00,786 --> 00:44:02,906
Speaker 5: the locker room, and I was just enjoying the moment.

926
00:44:03,186 --> 00:44:05,986
Speaker 5: I think that we all will someday, you know, be

927
00:44:06,066 --> 00:44:09,906
Speaker 5: able to to kick back and say wow, because look

928
00:44:09,906 --> 00:44:13,146
Speaker 5: at and here's his the beauty of these elite athletes.

929
00:44:13,146 --> 00:44:15,386
Speaker 5: I'm talking about Patrick and Travis and Trent and l

930
00:44:15,466 --> 00:44:18,946
Speaker 5: J and all these guys and Chris Jones. The minute

931
00:44:19,346 --> 00:44:21,426
Speaker 5: you know we're in the middle of that celebration, they're

932
00:44:21,506 --> 00:44:24,666
Speaker 5: talking about trying to win the third one, and it's

933
00:44:24,826 --> 00:44:27,866
Speaker 5: just I mean, for Patrick to to think of that

934
00:44:28,106 --> 00:44:30,706
Speaker 5: on the field, I'm like, man, I need a break.

935
00:44:31,226 --> 00:44:33,706
Speaker 5: He's talking about one to the third one. But isn't

936
00:44:33,746 --> 00:44:36,746
Speaker 5: that the beauty of these elite athletes. That's how they're wired,

937
00:44:36,826 --> 00:44:37,586
Speaker 5: that's how they're built.

938
00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:42,026
Speaker 2: That's a good transition. I went on Fox Sports once,

939
00:44:42,026 --> 00:44:43,786
Speaker 2: so usually I'm an NFL network, but we're off for

940
00:44:43,826 --> 00:44:45,146
Speaker 2: the week and they asked me if I wanted to

941
00:44:45,186 --> 00:44:46,866
Speaker 2: come on Fox Sports one. I went on it yesterday

942
00:44:46,906 --> 00:44:50,106
Speaker 2: with Nick Wright, who's a fellow Kansas City. Yeah, big thought.

943
00:44:50,146 --> 00:44:54,466
Speaker 2: He's a big fan. Nick's a great dude, and he

944
00:44:54,586 --> 00:44:56,306
Speaker 2: was at the parade and all this stuff. And we're

945
00:44:56,306 --> 00:44:58,186
Speaker 2: on the show and we're talking about Chris Jones and

946
00:44:58,186 --> 00:44:59,546
Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask you about where you think

947
00:44:59,586 --> 00:45:01,386
Speaker 2: that contract and all that is. That's not your job

948
00:45:01,466 --> 00:45:02,946
Speaker 2: and you just coach the guys and you don't have

949
00:45:02,986 --> 00:45:05,866
Speaker 2: to worry about that. But I said, if he never

950
00:45:05,906 --> 00:45:08,226
Speaker 2: takes another snap again, I think Chris Jones is a

951
00:45:08,266 --> 00:45:10,746
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. And I'll go further. When they did

952
00:45:10,826 --> 00:45:13,466
Speaker 2: the Coach the Defensive Player of the Year voting, he

953
00:45:13,506 --> 00:45:16,346
Speaker 2: didn't get a single vote. Eleven other players did. We're

954
00:45:16,386 --> 00:45:19,626
Speaker 2: talking guys like Deron Bland and Dexter Lawrence are getting votes,

955
00:45:19,666 --> 00:45:21,666
Speaker 2: but Chris Jones didn't get a single vote. I think

956
00:45:21,666 --> 00:45:25,746
Speaker 2: he might be the under the most underappreciated player of

957
00:45:25,826 --> 00:45:29,146
Speaker 2: this entire Chiefs run, and maybe the most underappreciated defensive

958
00:45:29,186 --> 00:45:32,066
Speaker 2: player of his generation. You've coached him the whole way

959
00:45:32,186 --> 00:45:35,426
Speaker 2: through Chris Jones, talk about what he brings to the table,

960
00:45:35,586 --> 00:45:37,706
Speaker 2: how much he's come a long way too. In the

961
00:45:37,786 --> 00:45:40,746
Speaker 2: last he's now a leader on this defense, which I

962
00:45:40,906 --> 00:45:41,426
Speaker 2: love to see.

963
00:45:42,626 --> 00:45:46,626
Speaker 5: His growth just even throughout this year was just awesome

964
00:45:46,706 --> 00:45:48,746
Speaker 5: to watch and see. And I told him that we

965
00:45:48,866 --> 00:45:50,546
Speaker 5: had our exit interview and we talked to him a

966
00:45:50,546 --> 00:45:53,506
Speaker 5: little bit. But you know, I don't know, Pete. Maybe

967
00:45:53,946 --> 00:45:56,826
Speaker 5: because he's been so good and so dominant, do people

968
00:45:56,946 --> 00:45:59,146
Speaker 5: just get used to it so when it's you know,

969
00:45:59,186 --> 00:46:01,546
Speaker 5: when it's only ten only right, when you get that

970
00:46:01,706 --> 00:46:03,866
Speaker 5: a half sacks, that's pretty good as an interior alignment.

971
00:46:04,226 --> 00:46:06,666
Speaker 5: And yet people I think just I don't know, maybe

972
00:46:06,786 --> 00:46:09,586
Speaker 5: maybe the same maybe that happens with these elite athletes.

973
00:46:09,626 --> 00:46:13,426
Speaker 5: But I'm with you, Pete the year he had, the

974
00:46:13,546 --> 00:46:17,146
Speaker 5: impact he has for us defensively, the things that we're

975
00:46:17,186 --> 00:46:18,946
Speaker 5: able to do because we know people are going to

976
00:46:18,986 --> 00:46:21,546
Speaker 5: double them, you know, and you're anticipating that, and so

977
00:46:21,746 --> 00:46:24,506
Speaker 5: you do other things. That opens up for some of

978
00:46:24,546 --> 00:46:26,506
Speaker 5: our other guys. But I mean, we love him. I

979
00:46:26,506 --> 00:46:28,306
Speaker 5: hope we don't lose him. I mean, he knows that,

980
00:46:28,466 --> 00:46:30,306
Speaker 5: and I think I know he'd like to stay. We'll

981
00:46:30,306 --> 00:46:30,986
Speaker 5: see what happens, you know.

982
00:46:31,066 --> 00:46:31,666
Speaker 4: How this league is.

983
00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:33,666
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's one of the Yeah, it's one

984
00:46:33,666 --> 00:46:35,586
Speaker 5: of the reasons during the course of this run of

985
00:46:35,626 --> 00:46:38,186
Speaker 5: the playoffs that, uh, you know, and I'm a Christian

986
00:46:38,226 --> 00:46:40,546
Speaker 5: guy and I have my prayer time, but I was

987
00:46:40,706 --> 00:46:44,146
Speaker 5: always praying, just give me one more week with these guys.

988
00:46:44,186 --> 00:46:45,666
Speaker 4: I just want to work with them one more week

989
00:46:45,746 --> 00:46:47,106
Speaker 4: because it's going to change.

990
00:46:47,186 --> 00:46:49,426
Speaker 5: It's it's going to change, and that's the reality of it.

991
00:46:49,466 --> 00:46:50,666
Speaker 5: But the relationships remain.

992
00:46:51,186 --> 00:46:55,266
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we turn the page, when do you kick

993
00:46:55,306 --> 00:46:56,666
Speaker 2: it back up and say, Okay, I'm looking at a

994
00:46:56,706 --> 00:46:59,586
Speaker 2: prospect from Kansas State or TCU. I mean, do you

995
00:46:59,626 --> 00:47:01,946
Speaker 2: give yourself that grace period of guys, Can we just

996
00:47:02,106 --> 00:47:03,626
Speaker 2: enjoy this for two weeks or do you get right

997
00:47:03,706 --> 00:47:04,706
Speaker 2: back into combine mode.

998
00:47:05,266 --> 00:47:07,746
Speaker 5: Well, the I think we got right back into it

999
00:47:07,866 --> 00:47:10,106
Speaker 5: was evaluating our own guys, because we've got to, you know,

1000
00:47:10,186 --> 00:47:13,586
Speaker 5: we visit with Brett vieach who's the best. And then

1001
00:47:13,626 --> 00:47:15,746
Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you, I have not done these

1002
00:47:15,826 --> 00:47:17,826
Speaker 5: last four or five days. I have not done much.

1003
00:47:17,946 --> 00:47:20,346
Speaker 5: This was all Maria time. This was all is all

1004
00:47:20,466 --> 00:47:23,106
Speaker 5: Maria time. And when we get to Monday, I think

1005
00:47:23,146 --> 00:47:26,066
Speaker 5: we'll be kicking it right back into full mode and

1006
00:47:26,146 --> 00:47:26,746
Speaker 5: we need to do that.

1007
00:47:26,866 --> 00:47:28,746
Speaker 4: We're behind a little bit. That's what happens when you

1008
00:47:29,346 --> 00:47:30,786
Speaker 4: go on these long playoff runs.

1009
00:47:30,866 --> 00:47:33,746
Speaker 2: But we'll get caught up two questions and then we'll

1010
00:47:33,826 --> 00:47:36,146
Speaker 2: let's just enjoy the last couple of days of freedom

1011
00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:40,906
Speaker 2: before we get back into football. But yeah, you mentioned Maria,

1012
00:47:41,066 --> 00:47:43,626
Speaker 2: your lovely wife, and I think Chris Jones had some

1013
00:47:43,786 --> 00:47:47,066
Speaker 2: really cool stuff about her cooking and what she provides

1014
00:47:47,106 --> 00:47:48,506
Speaker 2: the team. That was the first time I'd heard that.

1015
00:47:48,626 --> 00:47:50,546
Speaker 2: Maybe I just not in the Kansas City day to

1016
00:47:50,626 --> 00:47:53,946
Speaker 2: day Chicken parm or was it veal parm?

1017
00:47:53,986 --> 00:47:58,506
Speaker 5: What special Okay, you name it, she can cook it.

1018
00:47:58,626 --> 00:48:01,626
Speaker 5: She's still she does soul food. She does everything. It's

1019
00:48:01,626 --> 00:48:03,786
Speaker 5: not just the Italian. She's full italianed and she's a

1020
00:48:03,826 --> 00:48:06,306
Speaker 5: great But you know what, Pete, she loves to do it.

1021
00:48:06,586 --> 00:48:09,146
Speaker 5: It's her way of She'll say this all the time.

1022
00:48:09,346 --> 00:48:11,546
Speaker 5: It's her way of connecting with these guys, and it's

1023
00:48:11,586 --> 00:48:13,786
Speaker 5: her way of showing her love full of them. Like

1024
00:48:14,186 --> 00:48:16,226
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody needs to and these guys are all away,

1025
00:48:16,386 --> 00:48:18,346
Speaker 5: you know, for the most part, away from home, right,

1026
00:48:18,386 --> 00:48:20,466
Speaker 5: they don't they don't get home cooked meals.

1027
00:48:20,546 --> 00:48:22,386
Speaker 4: So we make it fun. We have what we call

1028
00:48:22,506 --> 00:48:23,986
Speaker 4: the Cram Award, you know, and the guy that.

1029
00:48:23,986 --> 00:48:26,706
Speaker 5: Has the big hit it's the Big play Deposta, and

1030
00:48:27,266 --> 00:48:30,986
Speaker 5: she makes stuff on Fridays, there's always everybody always gets,

1031
00:48:31,186 --> 00:48:33,106
Speaker 5: you know, either the banana pudding or some kind of

1032
00:48:33,186 --> 00:48:36,106
Speaker 5: cake or something on Friday, and then Saturday wee give

1033
00:48:36,146 --> 00:48:36,666
Speaker 5: out the award.

1034
00:48:36,746 --> 00:48:38,506
Speaker 4: But I think the guys enjoy it and we like,

1035
00:48:38,626 --> 00:48:39,506
Speaker 4: we love doing it too.

1036
00:48:39,946 --> 00:48:42,826
Speaker 2: I love it. And my last one is you mentioned

1037
00:48:42,866 --> 00:48:44,626
Speaker 2: the head coaching stuff, and I think everyone takes it

1038
00:48:44,666 --> 00:48:46,506
Speaker 2: for Greade, like, oh well, he wouldn't want it. I

1039
00:48:46,546 --> 00:48:48,626
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting you said that you'd be interested

1040
00:48:48,666 --> 00:48:51,266
Speaker 2: in again and then to maybe become my head coach again,

1041
00:48:51,306 --> 00:48:52,866
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's out of the out of

1042
00:48:52,906 --> 00:48:57,186
Speaker 2: the picture. Is that something you still aspire for and

1043
00:48:57,546 --> 00:48:59,546
Speaker 2: something is a goal or is it just if that

1044
00:48:59,666 --> 00:49:01,786
Speaker 2: happened to happen, you'd be happy. You're blessed either way.

1045
00:49:02,386 --> 00:49:04,626
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do feel that way. I know the avalianswer

1046
00:49:04,626 --> 00:49:07,626
Speaker 5: it the same way I always do. We're prideful men

1047
00:49:07,666 --> 00:49:09,146
Speaker 5: in this business. I mean, we want to win and

1048
00:49:09,226 --> 00:49:11,466
Speaker 5: we want to show that we're capable of doing things right.

1049
00:49:11,546 --> 00:49:12,946
Speaker 5: So I'm no different than the player. Would I love

1050
00:49:13,026 --> 00:49:13,266
Speaker 5: to do it?

1051
00:49:13,386 --> 00:49:13,546
Speaker 2: Yes?

1052
00:49:14,226 --> 00:49:17,146
Speaker 5: If however, I always fall back on this and this

1053
00:49:17,306 --> 00:49:19,506
Speaker 5: is always to follow up. If that never happens, I'm

1054
00:49:19,546 --> 00:49:22,026
Speaker 5: okay with it. I put these things in God's hands.

1055
00:49:22,146 --> 00:49:25,306
Speaker 5: It's if his, If it's his will to lead another

1056
00:49:25,386 --> 00:49:28,706
Speaker 5: team and young men and mentor and teach, which is

1057
00:49:28,746 --> 00:49:31,346
Speaker 5: what coaching is all about, then that I'll walk right

1058
00:49:31,466 --> 00:49:34,266
Speaker 5: in it and full bore. If not, I'm so I'm

1059
00:49:34,346 --> 00:49:37,306
Speaker 5: so blessed pede to have the job I have to

1060
00:49:37,386 --> 00:49:38,546
Speaker 5: work with the guys that work.

1061
00:49:38,466 --> 00:49:39,146
Speaker 4: With Andy Reid.

1062
00:49:39,146 --> 00:49:40,426
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, you've got to be kidding me,

1063
00:49:40,546 --> 00:49:43,866
Speaker 5: so I don't lose sleep over it. But the answer

1064
00:49:43,946 --> 00:49:46,346
Speaker 5: to the question would be yes, I would, but if

1065
00:49:46,386 --> 00:49:47,626
Speaker 5: it never happens, I'm okay too.

1066
00:49:48,506 --> 00:49:50,666
Speaker 2: It's a great answer, and you're at piece with it

1067
00:49:50,746 --> 00:49:53,466
Speaker 2: either way. And guess what they can ever take away

1068
00:49:53,666 --> 00:49:56,546
Speaker 2: four different Super Bowl titles from from you? One more

1069
00:49:56,666 --> 00:49:58,786
Speaker 2: do you get in the full five finger tree? And

1070
00:49:59,866 --> 00:50:01,626
Speaker 2: it got a wall you can you can do it that,

1071
00:50:02,306 --> 00:50:04,986
Speaker 2: I quickly will say. You and I we've gotten to

1072
00:50:05,026 --> 00:50:06,546
Speaker 2: each other in last couple of years pretty well. Well,

1073
00:50:07,666 --> 00:50:10,666
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. You were the interim coach with the Giants.

1074
00:50:10,746 --> 00:50:12,586
Speaker 2: I guess after Macadoo got let go? Was that what

1075
00:50:12,666 --> 00:50:15,906
Speaker 2: it was? And it was Giants Eagles and everyone was

1076
00:50:15,986 --> 00:50:17,866
Speaker 2: and it was it was after the Wents injury, so

1077
00:50:17,946 --> 00:50:20,746
Speaker 2: Eagles were coming into town and everyone's like, all right,

1078
00:50:20,786 --> 00:50:22,586
Speaker 2: we're not sure what the Eagles, but the Giants they're done.

1079
00:50:23,146 --> 00:50:27,026
Speaker 2: And the way you got those Giants fight after the

1080
00:50:27,106 --> 00:50:29,306
Speaker 2: coach being really and that was a good game. And

1081
00:50:29,386 --> 00:50:32,226
Speaker 2: I remember the production meeting. You were so conscientious of

1082
00:50:32,306 --> 00:50:35,706
Speaker 2: finishing the season strong and you were so hell bent

1083
00:50:35,746 --> 00:50:37,626
Speaker 2: on getting the most out of these guys. And Eli

1084
00:50:37,946 --> 00:50:40,426
Speaker 2: what was his future? We don't know he couldn't sing

1085
00:50:40,586 --> 00:50:43,226
Speaker 2: higher praises of you. I think that's as commendable as

1086
00:50:43,266 --> 00:50:46,146
Speaker 2: winning these these titles as a coordinator with this loaded

1087
00:50:46,186 --> 00:50:48,426
Speaker 2: Chiefs team. But like, hey, that Giants team was going

1088
00:50:48,466 --> 00:50:50,866
Speaker 2: nowhere and we're playing the Eagles in week sixteen and

1089
00:50:50,946 --> 00:50:51,746
Speaker 2: we're going to give them hell.

1090
00:50:51,786 --> 00:50:54,466
Speaker 5: And I love that, you know, Pete, that's a I'm

1091
00:50:54,506 --> 00:50:56,146
Speaker 5: glad you. But that's a great memory. It was a

1092
00:50:56,266 --> 00:50:58,906
Speaker 5: hard time. It's not easy to do the interim head

1093
00:50:58,946 --> 00:51:00,266
Speaker 5: coast thing in the middle of the seat, and it's

1094
00:51:00,306 --> 00:51:03,386
Speaker 5: not easy on different guys. You haven't really had time

1095
00:51:03,426 --> 00:51:05,946
Speaker 5: to put your spin on it. But that particular game,

1096
00:51:06,026 --> 00:51:08,866
Speaker 5: I thought I guys fought harder. I think we we

1097
00:51:08,946 --> 00:51:10,906
Speaker 5: might have went for a fourth thout something at the end.

1098
00:51:10,946 --> 00:51:11,626
Speaker 4: It was really close.

1099
00:51:11,666 --> 00:51:14,386
Speaker 5: We could have scored and won the game. But you don't, Pete,

1100
00:51:14,906 --> 00:51:16,586
Speaker 5: when you were taught. When you were saying that, but

1101
00:51:16,786 --> 00:51:20,066
Speaker 5: jumped into my mind. I've been blessed with these Super Bowls,

1102
00:51:20,186 --> 00:51:24,666
Speaker 5: playoff runs, the whole thing. We won that that year.

1103
00:51:25,066 --> 00:51:27,666
Speaker 5: We beat the Washington Redskins on the last game of

1104
00:51:27,706 --> 00:51:29,506
Speaker 5: the season and the game meant nothing.

1105
00:51:29,706 --> 00:51:32,586
Speaker 4: It meant nothing to them. And then but I will

1106
00:51:32,666 --> 00:51:34,666
Speaker 4: tell you this, I love winning that game.

1107
00:51:34,786 --> 00:51:37,826
Speaker 5: I walked into that locker room, I was excited about

1108
00:51:37,906 --> 00:51:40,546
Speaker 5: winning that game as any I'd been a part of,

1109
00:51:40,706 --> 00:51:43,146
Speaker 5: just because of what we had been through and just

1110
00:51:43,666 --> 00:51:47,506
Speaker 5: the locker rooms celebrasion on any win especial. I mean

1111
00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:50,186
Speaker 5: when you it's hard to explain what it's all about.

1112
00:51:50,226 --> 00:51:52,666
Speaker 5: But guys that are in the business, players of coaches

1113
00:51:52,866 --> 00:51:55,306
Speaker 5: or personnel know how hard it is just to win

1114
00:51:55,426 --> 00:51:58,186
Speaker 5: one game in this league. And I just I cherished

1115
00:51:58,226 --> 00:52:00,186
Speaker 5: that moment ended up with a you know the guys,

1116
00:52:00,226 --> 00:52:01,946
Speaker 5: the equipment guy's got me a game ball and that

1117
00:52:02,066 --> 00:52:05,786
Speaker 5: goo ball that meant nothing right is as valuable to

1118
00:52:05,906 --> 00:52:09,466
Speaker 5: me as is any that. So thanks for bringing that up,

1119
00:52:09,506 --> 00:52:10,946
Speaker 5: because that was that was a special time.

1120
00:52:11,346 --> 00:52:14,946
Speaker 2: That's so awesome. And my last story is probably five

1121
00:52:15,026 --> 00:52:17,586
Speaker 2: years ago. You had just joined the Chiefs. You hadn't

1122
00:52:17,626 --> 00:52:20,226
Speaker 2: even coached a game with the Chiefs yet it was combined.

1123
00:52:20,746 --> 00:52:22,866
Speaker 2: It was late. I went to dinner with I'll name you.

1124
00:52:22,906 --> 00:52:25,506
Speaker 2: The name was Joe Thomas, the offensive tackle who is

1125
00:52:25,546 --> 00:52:28,706
Speaker 2: now getting into TV. It was his first foray into TV. So,

1126
00:52:28,826 --> 00:52:31,066
Speaker 2: like I was at dinner, this gentleman named Mike Mariano,

1127
00:52:31,106 --> 00:52:34,626
Speaker 2: who is now running Amazon's football stuff. Gentleman named Mike

1128
00:52:34,746 --> 00:52:36,586
Speaker 2: Connor who's still with the NFL network, and a gentleman

1129
00:52:36,666 --> 00:52:39,106
Speaker 2: named Charlie Yuk who's with the NFL Network. And we

1130
00:52:39,186 --> 00:52:41,666
Speaker 2: go to dinner at one of the states, probably Shoola's

1131
00:52:41,666 --> 00:52:44,906
Speaker 2: in the Weston. And afterwards, because we're fat pigs, we're like,

1132
00:52:45,186 --> 00:52:47,746
Speaker 2: let's go get a milkshake from Steak and Shake. And

1133
00:52:47,826 --> 00:52:50,986
Speaker 2: we walk in and it's empty. Steak and Shake is empty.

1134
00:52:50,986 --> 00:52:53,506
Speaker 2: I get a banana milkshake. I'm so excited. It's literally

1135
00:52:53,546 --> 00:52:55,746
Speaker 2: one am. This is terrible for my body and soul.

1136
00:52:56,106 --> 00:53:00,066
Speaker 2: And then walked two bodies, Steve Spagnolo and Andy Reid,

1137
00:53:00,146 --> 00:53:02,746
Speaker 2: walking in at one am, and I'm so excited. I'm

1138
00:53:02,786 --> 00:53:05,546
Speaker 2: so excited to see what happens. I spilled my entire

1139
00:53:05,626 --> 00:53:07,986
Speaker 2: milkshake all over myself and you and Andy Reader just

1140
00:53:08,026 --> 00:53:09,986
Speaker 2: looking at me like you freaking kluts.

1141
00:53:10,626 --> 00:53:14,186
Speaker 4: I remember that, Hey, that's to be expected, that late

1142
00:53:14,186 --> 00:53:15,706
Speaker 4: at night in the place like that, right.

1143
00:53:15,826 --> 00:53:19,066
Speaker 2: Come on, that's what it is. But you're grateful to

1144
00:53:19,146 --> 00:53:21,266
Speaker 2: me then, and you've been great to me, said, I

1145
00:53:21,426 --> 00:53:23,466
Speaker 2: appreciate these forty minutes. I can't wait to see you.

1146
00:53:23,946 --> 00:53:27,666
Speaker 2: We'll hang at the combine for sure, but congratulations another

1147
00:53:27,706 --> 00:53:29,786
Speaker 2: super Bowl ring. But as we've learned in this interview,

1148
00:53:30,786 --> 00:53:33,826
Speaker 2: it's not just the Super Bowls, it's the entire journey,

1149
00:53:34,066 --> 00:53:36,306
Speaker 2: and I think you appreciate that more than anybody.

1150
00:53:36,866 --> 00:53:38,866
Speaker 5: Yeah, very much so, Pete, appreciate to having me on.

1151
00:53:38,946 --> 00:53:40,346
Speaker 5: This is great man, a lot of fun.

1152
00:53:40,586 --> 00:53:42,986
Speaker 2: The best. All right, guys, thank you, SPACs, appreciate it.

1153
00:53:43,066 --> 00:53:44,546
Speaker 4: Coming back to guys, thank you.

1154
00:53:52,506 --> 00:53:55,586
Speaker 2: The youngest defense in the league, they win a super Bowl,

1155
00:53:56,946 --> 00:54:00,946
Speaker 2: his fourth as a coordinator. It's the only four time

1156
00:54:01,026 --> 00:54:03,186
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion as a coordinator. And he's a hell

1157
00:54:03,226 --> 00:54:04,786
Speaker 2: of a guy. What'd you think of s bag there?

1158
00:54:05,426 --> 00:54:08,706
Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to dislike him, you know, the

1159
00:54:08,906 --> 00:54:11,706
Speaker 3: best bill as a Bills fan, keep running into him.

1160
00:54:11,866 --> 00:54:13,786
Speaker 3: As soon as he jumped on the call, I was like,

1161
00:54:13,946 --> 00:54:18,346
Speaker 3: this guy's he's he's great. Yeah, I'm really unhappy with

1162
00:54:18,426 --> 00:54:19,426
Speaker 3: how much I enjoyed him.

1163
00:54:20,226 --> 00:54:22,426
Speaker 2: Awesome and like the love he has. And what I

1164
00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:25,706
Speaker 2: like is that he mentioned names like Kavika Mitchell and

1165
00:54:25,906 --> 00:54:29,626
Speaker 2: James Butler and even on this defense Mike Dana, Like

1166
00:54:29,786 --> 00:54:31,986
Speaker 2: these these are not household names, but you could tell

1167
00:54:32,026 --> 00:54:34,066
Speaker 2: the love he has for all of the players. And

1168
00:54:34,066 --> 00:54:37,266
Speaker 2: then when we talk about Chris Jones, of course he

1169
00:54:37,346 --> 00:54:39,386
Speaker 2: goes big on you know, like I love Chris, but

1170
00:54:39,506 --> 00:54:42,346
Speaker 2: it was no different than he has for Leo'shane. I

1171
00:54:42,426 --> 00:54:44,866
Speaker 2: love that it's almost like a galitarian like that they're

1172
00:54:44,866 --> 00:54:45,986
Speaker 2: all his guys.

1173
00:54:45,946 --> 00:54:49,346
Speaker 3: And no no hesitation to call out his entire staff

1174
00:54:49,506 --> 00:54:52,066
Speaker 3: like this is nice. The first thing out of his

1175
00:54:52,186 --> 00:54:54,746
Speaker 3: mouth or whatever was like, anytime you have this kind

1176
00:54:54,746 --> 00:54:57,146
Speaker 3: of success, it's not a one person thing. There are

1177
00:54:57,266 --> 00:54:59,706
Speaker 3: so many members of the staff that help. And then

1178
00:54:59,946 --> 00:55:04,266
Speaker 3: his entire interview was him giving real examples of that,

1179
00:55:04,866 --> 00:55:07,666
Speaker 3: like where his the p he's working with are helping

1180
00:55:07,746 --> 00:55:08,666
Speaker 3: making Hanim communicate.

1181
00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:09,466
Speaker 2: Yeah totally.

1182
00:55:09,626 --> 00:55:10,626
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was great.

1183
00:55:11,266 --> 00:55:14,826
Speaker 2: I thought the last part of it when he says

1184
00:55:14,986 --> 00:55:17,746
Speaker 2: he's a competitive guy in a competitive industry and he

1185
00:55:17,826 --> 00:55:20,626
Speaker 2: would love to be a head coach. Again, it's interesting

1186
00:55:20,746 --> 00:55:23,346
Speaker 2: zero head coaching interviews, not only this year but last

1187
00:55:23,426 --> 00:55:28,186
Speaker 2: year as well. I think the time for a guy

1188
00:55:28,226 --> 00:55:30,626
Speaker 2: in his sixties who is the defensive coordinator has passed

1189
00:55:30,666 --> 00:55:32,906
Speaker 2: in this league. And if Belichick can't get a job

1190
00:55:32,986 --> 00:55:36,146
Speaker 2: at seventy two, why would Spags get one? And then

1191
00:55:36,186 --> 00:55:40,506
Speaker 2: I say screw that. Look how the young guys play

1192
00:55:40,586 --> 00:55:42,626
Speaker 2: for him. Look how the young guys respond to him,

1193
00:55:42,746 --> 00:55:47,386
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe this is a great oversight that Spags

1194
00:55:47,426 --> 00:55:51,346
Speaker 2: didn't get head coaching interviews, and maybe his head coaching

1195
00:55:51,426 --> 00:55:54,426
Speaker 2: career is not is not done. I'm very feel, very

1196
00:55:54,466 --> 00:55:59,346
Speaker 2: passionate about the fact that he deserves another shot. Yeah.

1197
00:55:59,506 --> 00:56:01,946
Speaker 3: I mean again, as a Bills fan, I'd love for

1198
00:56:02,106 --> 00:56:03,546
Speaker 3: him to go somewhere.

1199
00:56:03,186 --> 00:56:05,066
Speaker 2: Out of the division. Yeah, go out of the conference,

1200
00:56:05,226 --> 00:56:09,946
Speaker 2: go coach someone else. Real quick housekeeping stuff. Like I said,

1201
00:56:09,986 --> 00:56:11,786
Speaker 2: Good Morning Football, We'll be on all the next week

1202
00:56:12,146 --> 00:56:14,506
Speaker 2: this podcast. I think we're gonna do it Thursday morning,

1203
00:56:14,626 --> 00:56:17,386
Speaker 2: when I'm fresh off a Combine trip about to get

1204
00:56:17,746 --> 00:56:19,466
Speaker 2: to the Combine. Maybe we'll do a little bit more

1205
00:56:19,506 --> 00:56:23,866
Speaker 2: of a Combine preview. I'll have more stuff on these players. Obviously.

1206
00:56:26,106 --> 00:56:32,706
Speaker 2: My weekend, I am Saturday afternoon taking my son to

1207
00:56:32,826 --> 00:56:36,506
Speaker 2: the Harlem Globetrotters at the Madison Square Garden. Have you

1208
00:56:36,546 --> 00:56:39,466
Speaker 2: ever seen the Globetrotters lives.

1209
00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:41,986
Speaker 3: As a young kid, Yeah, because you know, growing up

1210
00:56:41,986 --> 00:56:45,666
Speaker 3: in Connecticut, we would our basketball team, like our rec league.

1211
00:56:45,906 --> 00:56:47,066
Speaker 3: Every once in a while we would get to go

1212
00:56:47,146 --> 00:56:49,266
Speaker 3: into was it the Trotters or was.

1213
00:56:49,306 --> 00:56:51,746
Speaker 2: It the Wizards? I got the I'm not trying to

1214
00:56:51,786 --> 00:56:54,586
Speaker 2: knock the Harlem Wizards, but there was like a you know,

1215
00:56:54,666 --> 00:56:57,546
Speaker 2: like Oreo and Highdrocks. There was a Yeah, there was

1216
00:56:57,706 --> 00:57:00,786
Speaker 2: there was a there was a Harlem Wizards said. I

1217
00:57:00,866 --> 00:57:02,666
Speaker 2: used to always see in our town and the Harlem

1218
00:57:02,746 --> 00:57:04,746
Speaker 2: Wizards would come and I'd be like, oh, but they

1219
00:57:04,786 --> 00:57:05,706
Speaker 2: weren't the Globe Trotter.

1220
00:57:05,826 --> 00:57:09,906
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was the Globetrotters, Okay, especially if

1221
00:57:09,946 --> 00:57:11,746
Speaker 3: I was if we were coming into the city to

1222
00:57:11,786 --> 00:57:14,066
Speaker 3: see it wasn't that. Probably wasn't the Wizards. Like the

1223
00:57:14,146 --> 00:57:17,146
Speaker 3: farm team that's the travel Maybe they.

1224
00:57:17,106 --> 00:57:19,626
Speaker 2: Would come to Freehold, New Jersey. The Globetrotters weren't coming

1225
00:57:19,626 --> 00:57:20,586
Speaker 2: to Freehold, New Jersey.

1226
00:57:20,826 --> 00:57:22,346
Speaker 3: I think we saw the Globetrotters.

1227
00:57:22,866 --> 00:57:25,346
Speaker 2: I have a vague memory, and I got to ask

1228
00:57:25,426 --> 00:57:27,626
Speaker 2: my friend Ryan if this is true. When we were

1229
00:57:27,706 --> 00:57:32,066
Speaker 2: in elementary's school, this is not a fit. They had

1230
00:57:32,106 --> 00:57:33,746
Speaker 2: Freal Township, which was the town I grew up. Then

1231
00:57:33,746 --> 00:57:37,106
Speaker 2: there was Real Borough and at the Freehold Borough High School.

1232
00:57:37,346 --> 00:57:41,066
Speaker 2: This must have been nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety the

1233
00:57:41,186 --> 00:57:46,146
Speaker 2: New York Giants with oj Anderson and Stephen Baker, like

1234
00:57:46,186 --> 00:57:50,186
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl champion Giants in nineteen ninety came and

1235
00:57:50,906 --> 00:57:56,506
Speaker 2: played either the high school like faculty, or they played

1236
00:57:56,586 --> 00:58:00,266
Speaker 2: the Wizards, or they played the Jets. Like I have

1237
00:58:00,386 --> 00:58:03,026
Speaker 2: this vague memory of like a football team coming to

1238
00:58:03,106 --> 00:58:05,106
Speaker 2: our hometown that would never happen today.

1239
00:58:05,586 --> 00:58:09,346
Speaker 3: A football team playing against your school faculty. That thinks,

1240
00:58:09,866 --> 00:58:11,026
Speaker 3: that sounds like a mess.

1241
00:58:11,986 --> 00:58:13,586
Speaker 2: I have to look back on this, like that stuff

1242
00:58:13,666 --> 00:58:16,706
Speaker 2: kind of happened back then, Like could you imagine like

1243
00:58:16,866 --> 00:58:21,586
Speaker 2: the Chiefs going to play against the Kansas City High

1244
00:58:21,626 --> 00:58:25,066
Speaker 2: School science teacher's that's a memory. I have to go

1245
00:58:25,226 --> 00:58:28,186
Speaker 2: check it out. But like the Harlem Wizards were who

1246
00:58:28,226 --> 00:58:30,546
Speaker 2: we got. I've never seen the Globetrotters live. My son

1247
00:58:30,626 --> 00:58:32,626
Speaker 2: is into it. Go on to the garden, and then

1248
00:58:32,666 --> 00:58:35,386
Speaker 2: I have one of the coolest deals. Because I've been

1249
00:58:35,426 --> 00:58:40,906
Speaker 2: on this Chiefs bandwagon and because i have done the

1250
00:58:40,946 --> 00:58:44,226
Speaker 2: big Slick charity function, I've become kind of embedded in

1251
00:58:44,306 --> 00:58:47,226
Speaker 2: this Kansas City celebrity world. We've had Paul Rudd on

1252
00:58:47,266 --> 00:58:50,266
Speaker 2: the podcast, We've had Eric stone Street. Well, I have

1253
00:58:50,546 --> 00:58:55,706
Speaker 2: never asked anything of any of these people. I finally

1254
00:58:55,906 --> 00:58:59,106
Speaker 2: asked for a favor, and it was to Heidi Gardner

1255
00:58:59,586 --> 00:59:04,546
Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live cast member. She's fantastic in that movie

1256
00:59:04,626 --> 00:59:07,746
Speaker 2: Hustle with Adam Sandlers. She's got commercials now. I think

1257
00:59:07,786 --> 00:59:09,706
Speaker 2: Heidi's one of the funniest what. She lives in Brooklyn

1258
00:59:11,146 --> 00:59:13,346
Speaker 2: and I have her number because we did the Big

1259
00:59:13,426 --> 00:59:16,186
Speaker 2: Slick Tournament, Big Slick charity function and she and I

1260
00:59:16,586 --> 00:59:20,346
Speaker 2: were at Children's Mercy Hospital visiting kids and we hit

1261
00:59:20,386 --> 00:59:23,506
Speaker 2: it off. Friend, you know, through the chief stuff, but

1262
00:59:23,626 --> 00:59:26,986
Speaker 2: also just love that she's in Brooklyn and I finally

1263
00:59:27,066 --> 00:59:31,906
Speaker 2: sent the text, Is there any way I can get

1264
00:59:32,026 --> 00:59:35,546
Speaker 2: a ticket for Saturday Night Live this week. I'm a

1265
00:59:35,706 --> 00:59:39,546
Speaker 2: huge Shane Gillis fan. He's hosting SNL and I get

1266
00:59:39,626 --> 00:59:46,066
Speaker 2: the email yesterday on Wednesday afternoon, here's your ticket Saturday

1267
00:59:46,146 --> 00:59:50,026
Speaker 2: Night Live. Arrive at ten pm Eastern. Come to SNL.

1268
00:59:51,066 --> 00:59:54,186
Speaker 2: I will be there for twenty one Savage and Shane

1269
00:59:54,266 --> 00:59:57,106
Speaker 2: Gillis at thirty Rock on Saturday Night. Do I go

1270
00:59:57,186 --> 00:59:58,066
Speaker 2: to the after party?

1271
00:59:58,706 --> 00:59:59,226
Speaker 4: I'd like to.

1272
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Speaker 2: I think if I could stay awake, I will have

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01:00:00,986 --> 01:00:03,666
Speaker 2: a big day of Harlem Globetrotters earlier in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Ere I'd like to imagine you like, for some reason,

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Speaker 3: you know, you get pulled onto the court with the

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01:00:11,746 --> 01:00:14,346
Speaker 3: Globe Rudders and you're playing with them, and then that

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01:00:14,586 --> 01:00:17,826
Speaker 3: night you're like you're regaling people at the SNL after

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01:00:17,906 --> 01:00:19,906
Speaker 3: party with like, well, you know, actually, earlier today I

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01:00:19,986 --> 01:00:22,106
Speaker 3: was playing against the Globetrotters, and I.

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Speaker 2: Was thinking, more more likely I won't get on the

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Speaker 2: court with the Globetrotters. But I always love it at

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01:00:28,346 --> 01:00:30,346
Speaker 2: the end of SNL where like they'll have like other

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01:00:30,466 --> 01:00:33,186
Speaker 2: people show up on stage. I'd be like, here's Billie Eilish,

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01:00:33,226 --> 01:00:35,826
Speaker 2: but also Alec Baldwin showed up and oh my Rudolph

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01:00:35,826 --> 01:00:37,786
Speaker 2: stop by. Yeah, that I could just I'm not going

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01:00:37,866 --> 01:00:39,186
Speaker 2: to be invited to come on. I'm just going to

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01:00:39,266 --> 01:00:41,026
Speaker 2: walk on stage and I want to be on that finally,

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Speaker 2: and I'll be I'll be hugging twenty one Savage.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of who do you think like

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Speaker 3: they'll like because Tony one Savage could have guest artists

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Speaker 3: on suree the Weekend could have could have some you know,

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Speaker 3: comedian friends that are just jumping in, Like is there

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Speaker 3: anyone in either of their New York circles that you

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Speaker 3: think will be a surprise guest who will be there.

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Speaker 3: That's always a cool thing too, like, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know the Gillis like, all right, So if you're

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01:01:08,946 --> 01:01:11,266
Speaker 2: not familiar, Shane Gillis is the stand up comedian who's

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01:01:11,266 --> 01:01:13,946
Speaker 2: been crushing it. He was hired by SNL in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: He was fired by SNL when some old stuff came

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01:01:16,546 --> 01:01:19,866
Speaker 2: up from his old podcasts that they fired him. Now

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Speaker 2: he has since come around and he's been from what

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01:01:23,306 --> 01:01:25,386
Speaker 2: they say, he and Warren Michaels have hit up a friendship.

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01:01:25,426 --> 01:01:28,506
Speaker 2: He has been to various tapings, he has spoken to

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Speaker 2: all the cast members and he's doing it all now.

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01:01:30,746 --> 01:01:33,506
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, you could cancel people and

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01:01:33,546 --> 01:01:35,906
Speaker 2: then at the end of the day, like people could

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Speaker 2: be redeemed, and in this case Shane is this is

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01:01:38,626 --> 01:01:40,666
Speaker 2: like the full circle moment. He's coming back as the

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Speaker 2: host after being fired as a cast member. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know if he's like like to me, Shane Gillis's

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01:01:49,266 --> 01:01:51,066
Speaker 2: buddies and we talked about it with Dan Sodar, like

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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey and Gave Davis and Burt Kreischer. I don't

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01:01:53,906 --> 01:01:56,466
Speaker 2: think it's like Daniel day Lewis is coming out. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what kind of, you know, level of

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Speaker 2: celebrity you're expecting. I'm going some with Shane Gillis fan

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Speaker 2: and I've always obviously been a historian of SNL and

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01:02:05,746 --> 01:02:08,706
Speaker 2: love it and I can't wait to be there. But

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't think Shang Gillis is, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Ethan Hawke or you know your name,

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Speaker 2: Julian Louis Dreyfus is coming out to see Shane Gillis.

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Speaker 3: I do really hope though, that CMC or gave Davis

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01:02:22,586 --> 01:02:24,546
Speaker 3: show up and you're at the after party with them,

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Speaker 3: and like, no one knows who gave Davis is and

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01:02:27,026 --> 01:02:28,826
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, we got to talk about

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Speaker 3: you know, the fourth and long and yeah, that would

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Speaker 3: be very funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I do one question for you, Peter. There was one

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Speaker 3: problem I had with the guest interview. You've got a

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Speaker 3: banana milkshake.

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01:02:40,506 --> 01:02:44,306
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a weird order, right. Yeah, I've never been

1332
01:02:44,386 --> 01:02:46,506
Speaker 2: to Steak and Shake, and that's not some great crime.

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01:02:46,586 --> 01:02:48,186
Speaker 2: I grew up in New Jersey, New York. They don't

1334
01:02:48,226 --> 01:02:50,666
Speaker 2: have it, and it's like they have like a thousand flavors,

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01:02:50,906 --> 01:02:53,386
Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, banana and Creams sung to me.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I had a banana this morning. I love banana.

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01:02:56,506 --> 01:02:59,066
Speaker 3: I just I'm thinking, like, if it's a milkshake late

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01:02:59,106 --> 01:03:01,186
Speaker 3: at night, I'm probably just chocolate.

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Speaker 2: Chocolate, vanilla or straw. Yeah yeah, yeah, banana and it's

1340
01:03:04,506 --> 01:03:05,346
Speaker 2: spilled all over me.

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Speaker 3: Still even know how it was.

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Speaker 2: How about that Andy read at one in the morning,

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01:03:09,546 --> 01:03:13,986
Speaker 2: comes walking in and you know as a cheeseburger at

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01:03:14,066 --> 01:03:17,746
Speaker 2: one in the morning from Steak and Shake. I love it. Aaron,

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01:03:17,826 --> 01:03:20,746
Speaker 2: great papod, good one. This one's gonna break all the records.

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01:03:21,946 --> 01:03:24,306
Speaker 2: I'll see you next week. I hopefully will have a

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Speaker 2: full notebook. I keep on saying that Term'm going to

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01:03:26,186 --> 01:03:28,506
Speaker 2: fill the notebook. I'll have lots of stories and hopefully

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Speaker 2: I can share them here on the podcast. Thanks to

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01:03:30,146 --> 01:03:35,546
Speaker 2: everyone who listens on behalf of Aaron Jason English, my

1351
01:03:35,666 --> 01:03:38,026
Speaker 2: man John Syke's over at die Heart. That's my dog

1352
01:03:38,186 --> 01:03:40,546
Speaker 2: now he runs iHeart. We met at the super Bowl.

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01:03:40,586 --> 01:03:43,106
Speaker 2: That's my dog, John Sykes. If you're listening, love you

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01:03:43,226 --> 01:03:48,786
Speaker 2: burrow to everybody else back listening, enjoy the combine. We'll

1355
01:03:48,826 --> 01:03:51,906
Speaker 2: have plenty of stories, and remember it is an art

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Speaker 2: and a science. Till next time.

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