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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to George Nori with you. Let me

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Speaker 2: tell you about Stephen Merra, the principal investigator for the

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Speaker 2: Project Doorway along with his partner Barry Fitzgerald. He's a

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Speaker 2: television personality, author of several books, and the head tutor

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Speaker 2: and co producer of what is called the UITC Investigators

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Speaker 2: Training Course and Ufology Studies. Stephen is also the CEO

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Speaker 2: of Phenomenon magazine and the Awakening Expo in the UK.

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Speaker 2: With more than forty years of active investigation and research experience, Stephen,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. You're on with my colleague

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Speaker 2: Connie Willace almost two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's right, George. I've been certainly busy since then,

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Speaker 3: but it's as always, it's an honor to be on

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Speaker 3: the show. I've been looking forward to be able to

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Speaker 3: share some who even information regarding the work that we've

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Speaker 3: been doing. Is We've certainly been busy over it the

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Speaker 3: last couple of years, but I always like to come

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Speaker 3: on Coast to Coast. It's our number one location for

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Speaker 3: all our for all researchers, including myself, to find out

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Speaker 3: what's going on in the world. So thank you for that, George.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome and you do a great job with Barry

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Speaker 2: as well. Tell us what Project Doorway is, Stephen Well.

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Speaker 3: Project Doorways started for us around about ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: We wanted I had come from a paranormal background. I

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Speaker 3: came into the subject of ethology through to my parapsychological

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Speaker 3: and paranormal research. Barry had also kind of been involved

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Speaker 3: in the same studies as me, and when we came together,

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Speaker 3: we wanted to kind of we started to realize that

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Speaker 3: there were a lot of commonalities between the paranormal and

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Speaker 3: euthological and it was just, you know what, George, some

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Speaker 3: things just didn't fit well regarding the subject of euthology.

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Speaker 3: So we really wanted to conduct a very poorer investigation

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Speaker 3: and research and an advanced study involved in going around

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Speaker 3: the world, conducting texts and bringing forward the most critical

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Speaker 3: and up to pay information to try and find out

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Speaker 3: what the phenomena really truly exists and what it consists really,

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Speaker 3: because the problem that we have today is that we

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Speaker 3: have a bit of a narrative in regarding what UFOs represent,

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Speaker 3: but the evidence doesn't seem to support it.

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Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all. Are you familiar with

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Speaker 2: what's been going on in the United States with these

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Speaker 2: hearings that aren't going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: I am, George, and you know what, it's no surprise

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Speaker 3: to me, to be honest with you. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: can go back many many years to the Citizens Against

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Speaker 3: Euthology movement and getting nothing but redacted papers. We've tried

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Speaker 3: and tried and tried, and the problem is for us

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Speaker 3: is that it's getting very frustrating that we seem to

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Speaker 3: seem that they have an obligation to the general public

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Speaker 3: and find answers to give to the public what they represent.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't. We always seem to run into a brick wall, George.

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Speaker 3: And that's the problem really.

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Speaker 2: And they talk about evidence, Have you encountered anything that

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Speaker 2: you can share with us?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely yes, I mean joining our experiences through research,

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Speaker 3: I mean we take them to consideration that the first

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Speaker 3: UFO type entities that you might refer these things too,

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Speaker 3: non non human intelligences, seems to be the new name

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Speaker 3: on the street. George, the extraterrestrial hypothesis ets seem to

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Speaker 3: be taking a back step now, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: into sort of suggesting these things aren't exactly you know,

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Speaker 3: extraterrestrial knowledge as we generally think. And the evidence that

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Speaker 3: we've we've discovered over the years is that these things

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Speaker 3: first turned up around the sales tables, around special psycho

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Speaker 3: of course later on, you know, we realize that these

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Speaker 3: UFO and counters and experiences we've we've witnessed around these experiments,

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Speaker 3: and we've also witnessed the phenomena firsthand out in the field.

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Speaker 3: Join our experiments.

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Speaker 2: Tell us more about Barry Fitzgerald, your partner.

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Speaker 3: Well, Barry has been involved for about thirty five years

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Speaker 3: But Barry's real interest is about, you know, the connection

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Speaker 2: To them, no question about it. What do you think

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Speaker 3: Well, that's really interesting, Jeors, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: I can have access to the Vatican Archives unattended, that is,

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Speaker 3: And she's managed to look at some of the source

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Speaker 3: material in regarding these ancient Biblical experiences with angels, with cupids,

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Speaker 3: was nothing to do. There were burn marks from the phenomena.

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Speaker 3: And when we did our own research, we also discovered

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Speaker 3: actually predate our documentation of history. It's been here forever, George.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is is that I think we're misinterpreting,

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Speaker 2: Stephen not to negate God by any means, but is

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Speaker 2: it conceivable that many things in the Bible are directly

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Speaker 3: Jesus, Absolutely, George, I mean, you know, I mean one

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Speaker 3: many forms, And it's very interesting when you look at

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Speaker 3: it the Holy Spirit or be it something else. The

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Speaker 3: problem is is that the terminology changes, but the phenomena

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Speaker 3: seemingly always been present. And what we tend to do

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Speaker 2: What about the tie inwood strange cryptid encounters, Stephen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're very very small island. There's no place

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Speaker 3: cryptids not just that, George. But you know what these

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Speaker 3: At that point, a normal predator is you know, there's

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Speaker 3: It's about fear feeding. It's very similar to the politic

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Speaker 2: And doesn't dog man apparently walk on its hind legs.

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Speaker 2: What is this work you've been doing between positive magnetic

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Speaker 3: Well, what we wanted to do, George, we wanted to

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Speaker 3: It's an intelligent phenomena that has been monitoring. It loves

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Speaker 3: history to some degree. Now what we look at is that, well,

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Speaker 2: Why do you think the tie in between the magnetic

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Speaker 3: Or we believe George. You know, what we did discovered

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Speaker 3: But it's a very unusual door. It's a large door

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Speaker 3: to stop bacteria packing through that barrier. It was you know,

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Speaker 3: bacteria do not like positive magnetic anomalies. So in that

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Speaker 3: is the case that the manifestation of this phenomena in

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Speaker 3: there's lower bacteria and of course departed. I suppose it's

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Speaker 2: Do you believe these extraterrestrials are coming from other worlds

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Speaker 3: Well, let's leve a lot. I mean, eight years ago George,

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Speaker 3: myself and Barry came forward and said, there's a number

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Speaker 3: I believe that we have some incredible not unpiloted vehicles

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Speaker 3: aren't we seeing that all over the world. I've got

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Speaker 3: But I've got documentation in George, that's says the Israelis

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Speaker 3: on many occasions have documented what they say, eia roans

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Speaker 3: study of UFOs or UAP, the saying one thing now,

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Speaker 3: the saying non human intelligences that means not necessarily are

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Speaker 3: they coming from outer space? I think we're also were

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Speaker 3: starting the narrative is starting to change. We're starting to

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Speaker 3: We've got Nassek came outs roughly six months ago in

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Speaker 3: September and said, you know that they know that UFOs

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Speaker 3: don't seem to be evidence to support that they are

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Speaker 3: extraterrestrial in origin. And look at the new report that's

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Speaker 3: UFO program say, it's factly the same conclusion that they

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Speaker 3: don't read is evidence to support that they are extraterrestrial

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