1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast and Merry Christmas. I'm 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: excited because we are going to talk all things faith today. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: I have Kyle Olsen with me from The Midwesterner, and 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to go through a couple of different things 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: that have come out since the election with Kyle, because Kyle, 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: I think that this election was unlike any election we 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: had ever seen in our generation, because there'd been such 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: a push away from faith for so long that people 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: hadn't really openly talked about it in a positive way 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: in a presidential election until we saw Donald Trump, the 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: assassinated assassination attempt against Donald Trump, and was like, suddenly 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: there was this freedom to say I also believe in God, 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: and I think it was amazing. What's your take on that? 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what happened is he sort of creates 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: a tolerance or space to be able to express your 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: views and express your faith and so and because it 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: was a real contrast to what we have seen for 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: the last many years with you know, DEI and woke 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: and all of that stuff, where we see institutions are 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: marginalizing and even demonizing people's faith regardless of what it is. 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: Because what we'll see is you know this rhetoric and 22 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: the media about Christian nationalism and you know those that 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: particular Trump supporter is a Christian nationalist and all of that, 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: and I think he sort of overcame all of that. 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: People rejected that whole argument against him, and so it's 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: and so I think what he's doing is he's ushering 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: in sort of this new era where there's tolerance and 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: acceptance and people can live their lives as they want to. 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: And I have to say, just like, what a difference 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: two years makes, because we came out of the twenty 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: two election, and the twenty two election was all about abortion. 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean, no matter where you were in the country, 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: the eshion was all about abortion. And interestingly, churches will 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: tell you that they saw a decline in membership from 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: women during that time. And I think it was because 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: there was this cultural push, but political push as well, 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: because Democrats were threatening women like, if you don't come 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: out and vote, you're not going to have this right 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: and I use air quotes when I say right to 40 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: have an abortion, and churches were saying you have to 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: go out and vote to protect babies. And there was 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: kind of this massive collide of faith and I think 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: a lot of Christians at that time were saying, man, 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: what is the future of Christianity? How could we possibly 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: bring people back? And it's interesting to me because that 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: moment when Donald Trump was shot and he stood up, 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: even Mark Zuckerberg was like, Wow, that was a moment 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: where I thought, this is pretty amazing. And I think 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: that for some people they identified that with Trump, but 50 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: for so many people it was the glory to God, 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: because only God could do this. And then you started 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: to hear Donald Trump talk about it, and I don't 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: think that you know, he's never really led with faith. 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: When he has been out on the campaign trail, he's 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about faith. He had faith leaders 56 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: with him, but it wasn't his own personal experience. And 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: even one of the bishops who was recently on Fox 58 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: came out and said, or maybe he was a cardinal, 59 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: came out and said, Donald Trump actually talked to me 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: about this and said, I believe that God protected me 61 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: that day. And even he could tell there was a 62 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: change in him, because I think that when God touches 63 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: your life, there is a change in your life. And 64 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: I think that there's this massive kind of a panic 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: on the side of the Democrats right now saying how 66 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: do we get back to those people? I mean, think 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: about it. They lost Catholics, and they lost Hispanics who 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: are mostly Catholics, but they lost a huge poor of 69 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: their traditional base because I think that people said you're 70 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: going to allow someone to trash our faith. But not 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: just that, they also lost Jewish people because there was 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: so much anti Semitism. It was this election was really 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: an attack on the faithful, and the faithful came out 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: and said we're not going to allow it. So I 75 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: wanted to bring this up to you. The New York 76 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Times in just the last few days have three articles out. 77 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: One is Democrats urged their party to take a leap 78 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: of faith, another is religion has been in decline. This 79 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: Christmas seems different. And the third one was what if 80 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: our democracy can't survive without Christianity? That to me is 81 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: shocking to see the New York Times come out and say, man, 82 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: maybe we got this wrong. 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, our country is based on Judeo 84 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: Christian values. There's just there's no way around that. And 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: so that's and I think I think a lot of 86 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: the cultural left, whether it's Hollywood or the media or 87 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: political figures, major political figures, they have rejected that under 88 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: the guise of multiculturalism, not wanting to offend anyone. And 89 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: so instead of embracing a set of values and and 90 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: but at the same time having tolerance for people who 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: have different values, they're saying they want to they want 92 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: you to reject your values, and they want to use 93 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: the force of government to do that. And so I 94 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: think that is really sort of a turn off to 95 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people. And I think when it comes 96 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: to Donald Trump, you know, there's a lot of people 97 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: who have who have criticized his faith and sometimes you know, 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: sort of his his lack of understanding maybe, but I 99 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: think it expressed it. It sort of exposes his genuineness 100 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: and I think his searching. And I think also it's 101 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: where a lot of people are at. A lot of 102 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: people are not experts on the Bible or different denominations, 103 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 2: or they're just not They believe that there is something higher. 104 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: They believe that we're accountable to something higher. They believe 105 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: that we you know, there's a whole range of a 106 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: whole set of values. And so what they I think 107 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: reject is that or won't accept or acknowledge is that 108 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: I think his where he is at is where a 109 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: lot of people are at. And we hear this too 110 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: when they criticize how he speaks to people and how 111 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: it's sort of simple language in all of that, Well, 112 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: you look at studies and that's where a lot of 113 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: the country is. And that's not a criticism. It's that 114 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: he understands people. And I think that in a lot 115 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: of ways, maybe with the exception of the wealth, he 116 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: is a reflection of a lot of people. He's direct, 117 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: he can be sort of you know, crass sometimes and unvarnished, 118 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: but that's where a lot of America is at. See. 119 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: I always have thought that people who criticize Donald Trump 120 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: and the fact that Republicans follow him, you'll hear so 121 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: often people will say, how can you follow this man? 122 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: Look at his history. He's had multiple wives, he's had this, 123 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: you know, experience with an affair, all of these things 124 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: that they just say, he's had these bankruptcies. He's how 125 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: can you as Christians follow him? And it's like, wow, 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: have you ever read the Bible? Because there's a heck 127 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: of a lot of people that God used that you 128 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: would never have expected. And if you understand how God 129 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: loves the world and how he looks at us as 130 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: his children. And I oftentimes think about this because I 131 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 1: think about the way my kids, the way I feel 132 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: about my kids. My love for my children is so intense, 133 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: and they'll, you know, they'll sometimes say, well, is there 134 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: a time that I could do something that you would 135 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: stop loving me? And I always tell them there's never 136 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: that time, Like, no matter what, no matter what happens, 137 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: I always love you more than you will ever know. 138 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: You always have a place here. And to think that 139 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: God loves even more than that, God loves us even 140 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: greater than that. That is why we have the Word 141 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: of God, because that shows us that there are people 142 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: that God has used that are just like us, just 143 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: as damage, just as filled with sin, as problematic as 144 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: the next guy. But God chose, God's searched after that 145 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: person and said I can use you, and through you 146 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: people can see my glory. They can see what it 147 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: is to follow Me and what it is to have 148 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: something bigger in their lives. And I think that's what 149 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: we've seen in the United States, these churches that are saying, suddenly, 150 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: we're seeing a resurgence of men coming in and I 151 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: think they're mourning the fact that women are being lost. 152 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: But if you are also someone who reads the Bible, 153 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: you understand that the man is the leader of religion 154 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: in your house, is the one who is supposed to 155 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: be bringing the children up in faith and leading your 156 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: house in Christianity. And I think, what an amazing thing 157 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: for my girls that when they graduate from high school, 158 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: when they go to college, or when they find their husband, 159 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: they have a good chance of finding a Christian husband. 160 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: And that has been a prayer for me. I know 161 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: a lot of my friends also have that same prayer 162 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: at night when they talk to speak to God, or 163 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: whatever time of day they're asking, you know, I want 164 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: my child to find a Christian spouse. And I think 165 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: that if you can build your house on those three 166 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: strands together, you your husband in christ then you are 167 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: going to have a much stronger marriage. You're going to 168 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: be you're going to be stronger in your career, and 169 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: you can only do that, I believe by seeing the 170 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: glory of God through things like this. And that's why 171 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: I think that at this Christmas season, we are seeing 172 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:04,479 Speaker 1: a huge change where people are suddenly embracing Christ, embracing Christianity, 173 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: but also, I mean, you see, Josh Shapiro was quoted 174 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: in one of these articles, and it's funny to me 175 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: because he said, one of the most valuable ads I 176 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: had from my campaign was that we sat down to 177 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: the Sunday Sabbath dinner or the Saturday Sabbath dinner. And 178 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: I showed that in my ad what our Sabbath dinner was. 179 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: He said, more people came up to me and said, 180 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: we just love the fact that you sat down as 181 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: a family and you had this dinner. Tell us about 182 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: what it's like to go to temple and all of 183 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: your experiences in faith. And he said he got to 184 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: share his faith in a way that he had And 185 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: I will say, I think that's also been a change, 186 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: because in twenty two I remember sitting down one of 187 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: my first meetings with someone who you know, you go 188 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: around and you talk to some of the leaders in 189 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: the state and try to get them on board with 190 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: you when you're running for office. And one of my 191 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: first conversations, I sat down and this woman said to me, 192 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: what made you decide to run for office? And I 193 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: went through it all and I said, so my family 194 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: and I prayed about it and then we talked a 195 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: little bit more and she stopped me and she said, 196 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: don't ever do that. And I said do what because 197 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: I'd been passed the prayer part. Don't ever bring your 198 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: faith into a political run. And I said, I'm sorry, 199 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: and she was like, you will turn off so many 200 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: young people. No one wants to hear about your faith. 201 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: And I thought something you just said, Kyle was very important. 202 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 203 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. There has been a society where 204 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: they have been saying, reject your values and embrace your government, 205 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: reject a God, reject Christ, and embrace government as what 206 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: should control you. That has been a theme and its 207 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: suddenly backfired on them. 208 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: I think it's important to keep to put a political leader, 209 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: regardless of the party, in perspective that we're not we're 210 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: not We're not electing the pastor of the United States. 211 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: We're electing the president. And I think that their values 212 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: are important, clearly, but they're not everything, and they're not 213 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: you know, we're we're a country that is that elects 214 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: people not based on their religion, but because of what, 215 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, we think they're going to do about taxes, 216 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: or foreign policy or you know, a whole range of issues. 217 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: And and so I think a lot of the criticism 218 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: of Christians that support Donald Trump that come from the 219 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: criticism that comes from the left really is more of 220 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: a because what they want to try and do is 221 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: is say, you know, you Christian that's supporting Donald Trump 222 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: are a hypocrite because of you know, all of these 223 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: his background and his and you know, the allegations against 224 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: him and whatever. But I think what's important is that people. 225 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: But I think what happens then is that sort of 226 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: exposes the left's hatred of Christianity, because that's really, in 227 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: my opinion, that's really what it's about. Is they don't 228 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: like Christianity, and therefore they're going to attack the Christian 229 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: because they support Donald Trump. And so I think what's 230 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: important is to keep Trump and everyone else in perspective. 231 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: This person, regardless of who it is, is not omnipotent. 232 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: They're not the end all be all, and we need 233 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: to keep that perspective. And it comes down to having 234 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: that perspective that this is not the most important person 235 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: in the world. We know who the most important person 236 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 2: in the world is, and it's not any political leader. 237 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: And I think once you have that perspective, then a 238 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: lot of the things that happen in politics, you know, 239 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,359 Speaker 2: are really not that significant. 240 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: It's just it is such a freedom. And we've seen 241 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: that faith movies and faith culture has really started to 242 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: rise up in a way that we haven't seen before. 243 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: And I think that it started really in twenty sixteen 244 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump started talking about bringing back Mary Christmas. 245 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: And I think in this season, we remember that, and 246 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: today it doesn't seem outrageous for us to say Mary Christmas. 247 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I have been shopping this week and as 248 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: I've left, I've said Mary Christmas to people without even 249 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: questioning whether or not that will be offensive, because I 250 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: think people understand that Merry Christmas for a Christian is 251 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: a very positive thing to say to someone as they 252 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: walk out the door of a store. But it wasn't 253 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: so acceptable in twenty sixteen and Donald Trump said I'm 254 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: going to bring back Christmas, and people on the left 255 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: were just horrified, How could he do this? How could 256 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: he even think about it? And so that's why I 257 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: find it fascinating that you go from twenty sixteen to 258 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: today that you watched what has happened over these these 259 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: past eight years of watching what's going on in the country, 260 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: and now you've got these three articles in the New 261 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: York Times that are saying, man, maybe we should bringing 262 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: faith back. You have a large swath of the country 263 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: that is fully believing that God saved his life, because 264 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: how else when you watch that video of Donald Trump 265 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: turning his head and you see the ai of what 266 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: it would have done had he not in that what 267 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: second turned his head. This was not anything possible in 268 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: the human world like this is. This is definitely greater 269 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: than us. So it's very hard to look at that 270 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: and not say, Wow, God chose chose him. You know, 271 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: God has anointed him to be this leader, and not 272 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: because he thinks he is godlike, but because he knew 273 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: that by the way this campaign was run, that it 274 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: would turn people toward him, toward God. That I think 275 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: is the confusion that some of these folks that don't 276 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: have faith, or some of these folks that are radical leftists, 277 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: who say, how could how could people possibly see God's 278 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: work in Donald Trump? It's not Donald Trump, it's the 279 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: glory goes to God. God has God shows himself in 280 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: unusual ways where if you understand God, and you understand belief. 281 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: You see it so clearly that it can only be him, 282 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: that He was protecting him in that day. And I 283 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: believe that none of this is about us or our 284 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: individual lives or this country. It is because God knows 285 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: this country has the power to shine the light on him. 286 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: And so the question is with regards to the story, 287 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: to the to the articles, can I think authenticity is 288 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: is critical. You can't fake that because it you know it. 289 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: I think it sort of bleeds through everything that you do. 290 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: And so when it comes to Josh Shapiro, you know, 291 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: if he's able to express that in an authentic way, 292 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: then that's something that should be done. But I think 293 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: a lot of people, particularly on the left, it's not 294 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: authentic because it's not their beliefs. You know, anybody can 295 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: believe whatever they want, but don't. But so I guess 296 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: I sort of wonder how much of what The New 297 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: York Times is saying is just sort of a cynical 298 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: political ploy that, oh, we really lost these people, so 299 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: we've got to talk about that more. We've got to 300 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: you know, sort of make up or remember during the 301 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: abortion debate, when they were actually trying to separate abortion 302 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: from beliefs, and Christian beliefs in particular, right, and it's saying. 303 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: You can still have your religion and be pro abortion. 304 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that who was it that, I 305 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: know Whimer had said that on a few occasions, that 306 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to sacrifice your faith. But I think 307 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: even Harris, Kamala Harris was out there saying you don't 308 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: have to sacrifice your faith for your rights. 309 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 2: And so that is a that's a very cynical thing. 310 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: And here you've got politicians interpreting Christianity in a very 311 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: cynical way for political purposes to achieve a political outcome, 312 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: and it's very damaging. And so when you've got people 313 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: who are doing that sort of thing, it just I 314 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: think it contributes to the problem. And so really I 315 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: think what ultimately needs to happen is is we need 316 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: to as much as possible, not get faith out of government, 317 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying, but not weaponize faith for 318 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: political ends. And we see that, whether it was the 319 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: abortion debate or this whole idea that now suddenly Democrats 320 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: need to be talking about their faith. 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Stay tuned for more 346 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: after this. It's so interesting because I hadn't really thought 347 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: about it when I saw those ads. Obviously, I was 348 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: upset and horrified by it because I had that. I 349 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: internalized it that way, like, how dare you assume to 350 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: be an expert on my faith and tell me that 351 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: my faith and killing the baby are two totally separate things, 352 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: and that I cannot have my faith. I cannot I 353 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: cannot lean on my faith in this decision. Like that 354 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: was essentially what they were saying. This is not a 355 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: decision about your faith. Take that out of the and 356 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: you're still good. You have no idea. If you believe 357 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: that that you can make decisions on how my God 358 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: will see me and my decisions, then you don't understand 359 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: anything about my faith. And I think that that was 360 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: becoming increasingly clear, and I think that the country is 361 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we've experienced this in Michigan in the Arab 362 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: American community also a community of faith who doesn't want 363 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: to be told what their faith is. It's the same 364 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: with the Jewish community. My gosh, look at what they've 365 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: gone through in the past year. Since October seventh of 366 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: last year, they have suffered immeasurable harm, and there has 367 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: not been a Democrat party come to their defense, even 368 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: though historically the Jewish people have voted Democrat. Now, I 369 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: think it's interesting because in one of those articles in 370 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: the New York Times, one of our state senators, mcmurrow's 371 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: a senator, right, one of our state senators is quoted 372 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: in that article. And to me, it's kind of interesting 373 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: because I think that to your point of them not 374 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: really having a true understanding and trying to fake something. 375 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: She's quoted as saying she has a complicated relationship with religion, 376 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: but then in the next breath she says she doesn't 377 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: think that Republicans have the lack on religion. But she 378 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: goes into this great complicated relationship about how, you know, 379 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: she thinks people have struggled with religion. She doesn't know 380 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: what she has a faith, but she doesn't really have 381 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: a strong faith, or she's like not super connected with it, 382 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: but she doesn't think it's Republicans that have the luck 383 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: and Republicans. Let me be clear about something. Christians want 384 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: everybody to be Christians. Republicans are of all different faiths, 385 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: you know, like if you are a Christian, then you 386 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: want everybody to be a Christian. I believe that's the 387 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: same if you celebrate any other faith. But it's funny 388 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: to me, it's not that Republicans have the lock on it. 389 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: And I think Republicans are very tolerant of any faith. 390 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why you saw the Muslims come out 391 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump, That's why you saw Jewish people coming 392 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: out for Donald Trump. That's why you saw Christians coming 393 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: out for Donald Trump. Because Donald Trump is not saying 394 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: put your values aside and jump on my wagon. But 395 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: that is what we've heard for so long. And that's 396 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: why someone like Mallorie mcmurrow can't even define her own 397 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: relationship with religion because I don't know. For all I 398 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: know she actually has a very strong faith. I believe 399 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: that publicly, they will not say it, and even after 400 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: the selection, even when she's in an article that's about 401 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: we need to bring back faith to the Democrat Party 402 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: or the tolerance even of faith. I mean Raphael Warnock 403 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: also in the article here he is a senator from Georgia. 404 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 1: Also I believe a reverend or a pastor or some thing, 405 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: but he is a he has his own church, and 406 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, why are we pushing away people 407 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: of faith? Well, I think that this young generation of 408 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: leftists are so damaged by the thought of even calming 409 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: out and saying that they have a belief that they 410 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: don't know how to they don't know how to verbalize 411 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: it when they are campaigning. 412 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: Well, and again the issue of abortion. What happened during 413 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 2: that was if you were opposed to expanding that you 414 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: were a hater and you it was very nasty rhetoric 415 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: and personal attacks. And so that's you know, I think 416 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: that doesn't really appeal to a lot of people. But 417 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: also the intent is to put people on defense. And 418 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: so it's interesting to me and I and I don't 419 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 2: you know, I don't judge anyone's faith, but it's interesting 420 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: to me she talks in terms of religion, which is 421 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: sort of the whole big thing versus Christianity or Judaism 422 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: or Islam or anything else. And so but you know what, 423 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: if you are if you don't have faith, then you 424 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: don't You just don't talk about it and you don't 425 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 2: have to. But at the same time, don't lecture other 426 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: people about it or judge them because you know they 427 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: are pro life or because they whatever the issue is, 428 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 2: they want to send their children to a Christian school 429 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: or a Jewish school or whatever. You know, don't then 430 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: say you hate public schools. But that's a lot of 431 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: times that's what happens, is it turns into a personal 432 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: attack and people sort of you know, retreat to their camps. 433 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: And so I think that there's this struggle going on 434 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 2: because Democrats want to appeal politically, but there is a 435 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: struggle with authenticity, and it's going to be interesting to 436 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: see if and how they sort of thread that needle. 437 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: You make a great point. I think what happened, what 438 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: we saw in this election, or what we saw even 439 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: in the years leading up to this election, was that 440 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: there was a big focus on being able to do 441 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: whatever you wanted to have these different subjects in school 442 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: that a lot of parents were uncomfortable with. But then 443 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: they were on the side saying if you go to private, 444 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: private school, then you're bad. We don't like these these 445 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: private schools. We don't like charter schools, we don't like 446 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: religious schools. We want you in public school and we 447 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: want to be able to push whatever we want on you. 448 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: Because it's not under the category of religion, we're allowed 449 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: to do it. And then you started to see a 450 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: true attack on religious freedoms. And that's when I think 451 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: people in this race started to say, wait a minute, 452 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait, are you actually taking away the 453 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: fact that I can be faithful or you mocking my faith? 454 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: And it went beyond just taking away the ability to 455 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: be faithful, but we saw true mocking of faith. And 456 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: I think it started with the Al Smith dinner where 457 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris didn't show up to the Al Smith dinner, 458 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: this well known Catholic dinner, but instead knowing that this 459 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: is a Catholic dinner, knowing that this is a tradition 460 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: when you were running for president, she skipped it. And 461 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: she sent a video of the SNL character Mary Catherine Gallagher, 462 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: the one who sticks her arm or her fingers and 463 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: her armpits and smells our fingers and she's just like 464 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: making fun of Catholic schoolgirls. I mean, a lot of 465 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: Catholics do not appreciate that skit. I don't know who 466 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: on her staff, but this is why I think that 467 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: it became we are so far separated from faith in 468 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: this country because this younger generation of social media influencers 469 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 1: who were working on the staff of all these candidates, 470 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: and you and I have talked about this. It's very 471 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: interesting to me because I think that people have become 472 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: obsessed with social media and they get really addicted to 473 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: the clicks and how to have the next social media movement. 474 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: And that's fine if you're a private person, but this 475 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: started happening with presidential candidates, with the gubernatorial candidates, and 476 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: with politicians in general doing these crazy things. It all 477 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: seemed like funning games until they attacked faith. So I 478 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: think as soon as she did that with the Mary 479 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Catherine Gallagher character, that turned off Catholics across the country. 480 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: It was the combination of that and skipping the dinner 481 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: turned off Catholics. But just a few days later, Gretchen 482 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: Whitmer follows up with that infamous video of her I 483 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: guess giving communion to a woman on her knees. It 484 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: was there were a lot of sexual overtones and there 485 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: it was. It was disgusting, and people across the country 486 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: condemned this. I mean the didn't they didn't they even 487 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: protest outside of our house. 488 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was, Yes, a number of Catholics who's probably 489 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: seventy five or one hundred prayed the rosary and protested 490 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: outside our house. Yeah. 491 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean this was to me, that was a turning point. 492 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: And I believe that was. You know, there were moments 493 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: throughout the election and I think that the assassination, assassination attempt. Honestly, 494 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: after that, I was like, oh my goodness, this is amazing. 495 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: So many people have come together and seen this miracle, 496 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: and I just don't see how this election could change 497 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: at this point. But you know, elections how they go, 498 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: and there were ups and downs, and then I thought, 499 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, okay, I don't know what's going to actually happen. 500 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: But I think that as you look back, you see 501 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: God working throughout the whole thing. And I think that 502 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: I believe that God wants to expose the evil. That 503 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: God wants to expose exactly what you said that there 504 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: are people who are saying, shun your values. If you 505 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: want to fit in here, shun your values, focus on us, 506 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: put your trust in government, take your trust out of 507 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: everything else, step away from faith. And I think God 508 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: worked through that. And I believe that the things that 509 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: we saw in the Biden administration we had to see. 510 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: And it wasn't about the freedom of America, and it 511 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: wasn't about preserving our country. It was about God, and 512 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: it was about glory, and it was about seeing God's glory. 513 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: And the only way God can do that is in 514 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: God's timing. And what God does for him it happens 515 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: in seconds, for us, it happens in years and sometimes decades. 516 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: And He took that time to really teach us what 517 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: it is to be people of faith and come back 518 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: to Him. And I just think that as I've seen 519 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: this resurgence. Just last week, Kyle, you and I were 520 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: talking to someone who was saying, there's a real, a 521 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: real desire for faith movies, any scripts that are faith driven. 522 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: Their Hollywood is even pulling on Okay, Yanna, you got 523 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: anything faith. I just think, Wow, in this Christmas season, 524 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: how neat to see people suddenly saying people need God? 525 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: Turns out people need God. 526 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that this next at least four years, 527 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: is going to be very, very different in time in America. 528 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: And again it's not because of Trump as an individual, 529 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: but I think it's it will be a change in 530 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: culture and a tolerance for faith, and people accepting other 531 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: people's beliefs and values and not being judgmental. I just 532 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: think that there's going to be I think it's going 533 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: to be a different time. 534 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: I agree, And for all of you out there, no 535 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: matter what your faith is, we love that you are 536 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: in a place where faith is safe. It's safe in 537 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: this country, and it will be continually restored by the 538 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: people who I see on both sides of the isle 539 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: who want to restore it. Whether it is a Roughiel 540 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: Warnock or a Donald Trump both. I think people on 541 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: both sides of the isle can say look at the 542 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: other side and go, oh, I can find fault with 543 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: those people. It's not them. It's so much bigger than them. 544 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: It is God who has the power here and God 545 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: who gets the glory. In this week, we say Happy 546 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: Birthday Jesus, Merry Christmas to all of you. I hope 547 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: you all celebrate with your families and have a wonderful day. 548 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: We look forward to seeing you back here. Thank you. 549 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: Kyle so much for joining me today. 550 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, Merry Christmas. 551 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, and thank you for joining us on the 552 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast. You can go to Tutor disonpodcast dot 553 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: com to find more episodes, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 554 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: or wherever you get yours and join us next time. 555 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: Have a very merry Christmas