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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders, along with Judy Batista, Ian Rappaport,

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Speaker 1: Like Gara Fullo, I am Tom Telaicero. He is the

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Speaker 1: Monday after the Sunday of Week thirteen, as we always

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Speaker 1: do on Mondays, we are here on YouTube. We are

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Speaker 1: doing the podcast breaking down all the takeaways and the

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Speaker 1: news out of Sunday, and we start Ian with a

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Speaker 1: guy that we talked about a lot this season, mostly

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Speaker 1: about him not being on the field, a taste of

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, then suffer as an injury last night. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of an odd sequence of events that's playing out

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Speaker 1: on National TV.

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Speaker 2: What's the latest as we know right now?

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Speaker 3: First of all, it was everything colliding at once. It

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Speaker 3: was Christian McCaffrey looking like he was going to be

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Speaker 3: the Christian McCaffrey all. I mean, that was as good

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Speaker 3: as we've seen him look, I guess maybe since last season, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was like nine yards of carry,

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Speaker 3: like over and over and over, and you're like, all right,

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Speaker 3: this is the forty nine ers as they should look like.

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Speaker 3: And then he kind of does that gets that shoe

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Speaker 3: string tackle and Land's funny, and I'm like Okay, like

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Speaker 3: he lands it hard, like, you know, is he wearing

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Speaker 3: knee pads? My guess is probably not. Mostly I was

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Speaker 3: thinking like that probably hurt. And then the next carry,

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Speaker 3: which I don't think was the next play. With the

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Speaker 3: next carry, he slides down and you're like, okay, that's bad,

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Speaker 3: and the media thought was achilles, but you didn't see

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Speaker 3: anything there, and then quickly the word was knee, and

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Speaker 3: then a little bit later was PCL. Now PCL injuries

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Speaker 3: are not good. We've learned about them from Dalton Knox

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Speaker 3: and we've learned about it from Puka Nakua. Both have

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Speaker 3: missed many weeks. As of right now the four or

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Speaker 3: word on how long Diccaffrey's going to be out. I

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Speaker 3: was told to expect a multi absence. There's five games left.

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Speaker 3: If he goes on IR he's not coming back. So

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Speaker 3: my expectation, and I didn't get a lot of optimism

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Speaker 3: or any optimism at all from anyone close.

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Speaker 2: To the situation.

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Speaker 3: My expectation is he's going to be out for the season,

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Speaker 3: which is you know, I hate to say this, Tom,

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Speaker 3: but you summed it up pretty grimly on Twitter. I

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Speaker 3: think it was like midnight. I forget when I saw it,

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Speaker 3: but it was like he's played four games, he's had

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Speaker 3: like fifty carries, He's just sixteen million dollars next year.

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Speaker 3: Like it's everything you would dread about paying a running back,

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Speaker 3: and the fact that we saw a small glimpse of

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Speaker 3: just how awesome he is just makes it more painful.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be twenty nine years old next year. Judy

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Speaker 1: and I would say about this this morning too. We've

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Speaker 1: almost seen this kind of counter intuitive, at least counter

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Speaker 1: to recent logic pain of older running backs recently here

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Speaker 1: because Derek Henry, everyone's going, boy, look at him going,

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Speaker 1: Sakwon Barkley worth every penny. James Connor just got a

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Speaker 1: new deal, Alvin Kamara as Mike broke the news on

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Speaker 1: The Insiders, like a month ago, he a new deal.

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Speaker 1: But like Ian said, this is literally why there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who just are always reluctant to pay

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Speaker 1: those guys. But Caffrey have been healthy his first couple

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Speaker 1: of years. He hadn't missed any time in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: But now they got a guy who's gonna be twenty

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Speaker 1: nine years old next year do sixteen point five million.

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Speaker 1: They have leveraged a lot with an older, expensive roster.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they still turn this around, but you can look

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Speaker 1: a lot they've got to take in, especially with brock

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Speaker 1: Perty's contract coming up for potential extension the safseason as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: When I was watching it, when he gave himself up

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Speaker 4: on that play, which obviously you never see players do,

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Speaker 4: so you knew right away it was bad. I actually

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Speaker 4: thought that about, Like we've spent all seasons sort of

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Speaker 4: talking about like the renaissance of the running backs, and

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Speaker 4: they've managed to be healthy, thankfully, Derrick Henry and Saquon

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Speaker 4: have been so healthy and so dominant. We just saw

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Speaker 4: Saquon have another great game yesterday, and like, and that's

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Speaker 4: the juxtaposition, right, Like this is the sort of sour

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Speaker 4: reminder of why teams are traditionally afraid of paying running backs,

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Speaker 4: especially And I hate to say it about Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 4: who was such a great player, but I mean he

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Speaker 4: just the reality and you do wonder, you know, the

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Speaker 4: accumulation of these things, like it took him a while

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Speaker 4: when he came back, he had not looked like Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 4: And last night he finally looked like Christian McCaffrey. But

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Speaker 4: as he gets older, and as the injuries continue to accumulate,

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Speaker 4: that's just the downside of running backs as they get older.

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Speaker 4: As for the San Francisco for A nine ers, I

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Speaker 4: mean they have a heap of issues right, a ton

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Speaker 4: has just been undone by the accumulation of injuries. Early

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Speaker 4: they were able to get through the injuries, but now

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Speaker 4: it's just the attrition has just caught up to them. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: the conditions played a role last night and how they performed,

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Speaker 4: but I just feel like, you know, the the injuries

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Speaker 4: reminds me what season was twenty twenty. I think when

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Speaker 4: down then that it feels like that.

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Speaker 2: You muted Mike, no wet.

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Speaker 5: Somebody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. There's a long time without you talking

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Speaker 2: at the top there. We caught you your microphone time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a right, I can handle it.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was wearing knee pads. Everybody has to wear

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Speaker 6: knee pads. It wasn't necessarily like the knee pads only

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Speaker 6: stopped the bruises. I remember writing the story when the

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Speaker 6: when the what's that you asked? I asked, what if

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Speaker 6: he was wearing nee pads? Everybody has to wear knee pads.

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Speaker 6: It was it's mandatory.

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Speaker 5: As of twenty fifteen, sixteen me.

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Speaker 3: I definitely knew that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I remember it was.

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Speaker 6: It was a big thing where they mandated the knee

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Speaker 5: They were wearing the pants above the knee. They had

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Speaker 6: And at the time, Adrian Peterson was the NFL's leading rusher,

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Speaker 6: and I remember quoting him in a story twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 4: Twenty thirteen, Blake says.

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Speaker 6: Twenty thirteen, Yeah, I know it was at Fox at

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Speaker 5: Bruising, it's going to stop the contact stuff.

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Speaker 6: But when it comes to the force that drives the

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Speaker 6: That's what causes the tear back there. And that's what

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Speaker 6: happens when you hit it dead on. I remember Brandon

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Speaker 6: and you fall down on that, that's what causes the

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Speaker 5: A lot of times when you fall on it that way.

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Speaker 6: So that's why you know all these uh, all these

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Speaker 6: If you did notice that, That's that's why you.

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Speaker 5: Can tell sometimes from the mechanism what can be hurt.

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Speaker 6: That's that's how our Twitter doctors came to be. I

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Speaker 6: don't remember what my next point was, but that's okay.

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Speaker 5: Oh. I looked at so the Niners niers at five

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Speaker 6: Uh, and I'm looking at they probably have to win

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Speaker 6: the teams that have the schedules remaining in the NFC West,

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Speaker 6: they have the toughest schedule. So they are at the

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Speaker 6: bottom and have the toughest schedule and have to win out.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: It's not looking great for for the Niners here to

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Speaker 6: somehow inconceivably miss the playoffs. But you could point to

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Speaker 6: the injuries, but you can also point to the fact

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Speaker 6: that they lost home games against the Arizona Cardinals and

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Speaker 6: the Seattle Seahawks that they absolutely should have won. Win

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Speaker 6: those games, and they're a top the division. They're at

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Speaker 6: seven wins instead of five. I don't want to hear

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Speaker 6: the injury.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, Mike.

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Speaker 1: You were at the Eagles game, if I'm not mistaken, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: the team that everybody has wanted to since day one

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Speaker 1: right off, and there's problems and Sirianni's not good enough

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Speaker 1: and everything else, and here they are about to go

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs for a fourth time in four years.

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Speaker 2: With them as the coach. It looked like one of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're playing, and they were.

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Speaker 6: You can always tell how impressive the win is based

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Speaker 6: impressive it was, Like, hey boy, what a great win

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Speaker 6: that was on the road to be down two scores early,

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Speaker 6: And it was a weird game because the first quarter

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Speaker 6: an impressive win for a team that lost Brandon Graham

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Speaker 6: the week before, shorthanded in the secondary. We're losing guys

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Speaker 6: during the game. Quinna Mitchell left for a couple of plays.

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Speaker 6: against a tremendous defense. The image of Cooper Dejene taking

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Speaker 6: It's not like it was Hey, I'll meet you in

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Speaker 6: But he caught him at the right time. He played

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Speaker 6: Saquon leaping over the Jacksonville defender a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: a couple of images that really are defining the Eagles

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Speaker 5: They've got Carolina on deck. You got to assume that

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Speaker 5: that's a win. They've a Pittsburgh game coming up in

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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. It's going to be awesome. I'm

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Speaker 5: covering that game. I can't wait for that game.

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Speaker 6: So it's this Eagles team is certainly making the Lions

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Speaker 4: They only have two games left against winning teams. I

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Speaker 4: think Steelers and Commanders. I think I looked that up.

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Speaker 4: If I'm reading that correctly, So that's their schedule I

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Speaker 4: think is much more favorable than the I think the

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Speaker 1: So we've got five ten win teams right now, teams

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Speaker 2: Can you name the fifth one.

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Speaker 4: It was a good day for former Jets yesterday. Bad

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Speaker 1: easy fodder here to you know, take it to the Jets.

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Speaker 1: But it's just you just it's frustrating to watch because

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't be this bad, and yet here we are.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Sauce Gardner, who he's just a terrific

444
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Speaker 4: talker usually like he is, he is as frustrated as

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Speaker 4: you just sort of made it sound like he basically

446
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Speaker 4: stuff like I have no explanation, Like I'm totally unfamiliar

447
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Speaker 4: with this, I've never lost like this, like in my career,

448
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 4: like he just does. He can't explain what is going on.

449
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Speaker 4: It's really hard to lose a game when the opponent

450
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Speaker 4: is having a special teams down like the Seahawks had yesterday, right,

451
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Speaker 4: I mean they did, they did everything wrong on special teams.

452
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 4: Usually that's a win, and instead, you know, the Jets

453
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Speaker 4: just are finding ways to lose. And you're right, there

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Speaker 4: are snippets. There was a snippet there where Rogers looked good,

455
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Speaker 4: he was healthy. We'd heard all week he's as healthy

456
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Speaker 4: as he's been all season. And then he just the

457
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Speaker 4: wide open the miss of Garrett Wilson was just like

458
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Speaker 4: whoa what was that play? And then of course the

459
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Speaker 4: Leonard Williams pick six. It's it's just awful. And I

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Speaker 4: feel for some of the players and the coaches. I

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Speaker 4: feel for them. It's just got to beat. They've just

462
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Speaker 4: got to be banging their heads against the wall, like

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Speaker 4: how do you get out of this? And you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean today Old Brooks said Rogers is going to

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Speaker 4: remain the starter, and it mean sure, why would you

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Speaker 4: change at this point, I mean, the season is over.

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Speaker 4: Just play it out and maybe you can finish the

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Speaker 4: season on a positive note.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's nothing positive about this season.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 4: It's they have it's it's just been awful. It's it's

473
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Speaker 4: it's been awful. I was going back and forth. That

474
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Speaker 4: game was on in New York, obviously, and then also Steelers.

475
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 4: The Steelers were on Steelers Bengals, and so I was

476
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Speaker 4: just clicking back and forth on our television, and boy,

477
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Speaker 4: that's like you really see the extremes of football right

478
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 4: there when you see like here's Joe Burrow playing quarterback

479
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Speaker 4: and then here's forty one year old Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's all it's always like one of the

481
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Speaker 3: worst things about kind of like what we have to do,

482
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Speaker 3: which is watch an awesome player get old.

483
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Speaker 2: I remember the awful.

484
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Speaker 5: First time it happened to me.

485
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Speaker 3: I was covering the Patriots and Chatto Chusenko was traded

486
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 3: for and was in trading camp, and you could watch

487
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Speaker 3: him be like, wow, this doesn't look right, like either

488
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Speaker 3: he's never been fed, which obviously is wrong, or god,

489
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: he looks a lot slower than I thought, and it sucks.

490
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Speaker 3: And like watching Rogers and like what they say about

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Speaker 3: older players is sort of like boxers, right, It's like

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Speaker 3: the legs go first, and Rogers had a number of

493
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Speaker 3: leg injuries from you know, ankle, knee, hamstring, calf, it's right,

494
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Speaker 3: hasn't looked the same. And I know he's and so

495
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Speaker 3: I you know, I asked someone knows him really well.

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, he's off the injury report.

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Speaker 2: Is he healthy?

498
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Speaker 5: And it's sort of like, well, no one's.

499
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Speaker 3: Really healthy this time of the year, and he's forty one,

500
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Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, he's he's not injured, but he's

501
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Speaker 3: not healthy.

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Speaker 2: It all looks bad.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it seemed to be heading toward a

504
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Speaker 3: decision as far as what they were gonna do next

505
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Speaker 3: year at quarterback. I'm not sure it's heading toward a

506
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Speaker 3: decision because like what GMR coach could possibly look at

507
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: all this and be like, yes, sign me up, which

508
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: creates a whole other different thing. And like Rogers probably

509
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Speaker 3: have to you know, take some shrooms, go to the

510
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: darkness to like figure this all out. But like it

511
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Speaker 3: creates an unbelievable situation. I literally never thought this is

512
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Speaker 3: where it would be, but it definitely is.

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Speaker 6: It seems like it's gonna be up to him as

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Speaker 6: to whether or not he wants to continue his career

515
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Speaker 6: because there will be.

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Speaker 5: Teams that will take them.

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Speaker 6: It's not going to be a Jets type situation.

518
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Speaker 5: What's that?

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Speaker 2: Who would it be? Though?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know, we know the teams are going

521
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Speaker 1: to be in that market, but it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: pretty unique situation to want to bring in the forty

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Speaker 1: one year old four time NFLVPO has to play good

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Speaker 1: football in a couple of years.

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Speaker 6: That cluster of teams up there in contention for the

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Speaker 6: number one overall pick, and they're not all going to

527
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Speaker 6: get it, and there's not that many quarterbacks is going

528
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Speaker 6: to leave like I can't, we can't. Theoretically, if the

529
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Speaker 6: Giants are on the outside looking in, he wouldn't have

530
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Speaker 6: to move far. Potentially he can come in and win games.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's it's we're away. I've asked these questions.

532
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Speaker 6: We're not there yet, right. You keep getting the answers

533
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 6: of yeah, But when I say, well, do you think

534
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Speaker 6: a team would take this guy, it's always like, yeah,

535
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Speaker 6: of course, there's not enough. Jerry Reese when he was

536
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Speaker 6: the general manager of the Giants, always said, there are

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Speaker 6: not thirty two starting quarterbacks in the league. There's not

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Speaker 6: There are thirty two that are playing, but there's not

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Speaker 6: thirty two starting caliber quarterbacks in the league. So it's

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Speaker 6: it's gonna be up to him. I mean, does he

541
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Speaker 6: want to go play somewhere on a low floor, high ceiling,

542
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 6: earn your way through it type of deal, And maybe

543
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Speaker 6: it's with a kid that they just drafted that you're

544
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Speaker 6: sort of bringing. It's it's going to have to be

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Speaker 6: up to him. But I think the most and I've

546
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Speaker 6: got a get a Jet fan. I mentioned him here

547
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Speaker 6: and otherwise I'm kind of living this season through.

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Speaker 2: His He send you pictures again?

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Speaker 5: He did I delete the voicemail? It was unintelligible, unintelligible.

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Speaker 6: He was bombed and it was the middle of the

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Speaker 6: second quarter, and he didn'tmail because.

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Speaker 2: It's pure goal.

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Speaker 5: He's usually he's.

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Speaker 6: I think it's I think I deleted in there too.

555
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 6: He's usually pretty put together. He doesn't usually get to

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Speaker 6: that point. But he allowed him, And don't feel bad

557
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Speaker 6: for him. He's a Yankee and Devil fan. He's seen

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00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 6: plenty over his lifetime, don't worry about it. But when

559
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 6: it comes to the Jets, it takes him to another level.

560
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 6: And he really opened himself up. And this Jets fan

561
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 6: base and really the entire organization was led to believe

562
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Speaker 6: we're just.

563
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Speaker 5: A quarterback away.

564
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Speaker 6: And last year we're oh, if he hadn't torn his achilles,

565
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Speaker 6: it would have.

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Speaker 5: And somehow, somehow it's the same season as last year.

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Speaker 6: How and it just goes, wait a minute, we were

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Speaker 6: not quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I just remember, Mike, you and I were a training

570
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Speaker 4: camp together and he looked great in training camp. Right,

571
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Speaker 4: for whatever that's worth, he's moving, he's healthy. Whatever that means.

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Speaker 5: I think he means nothing.

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Speaker 6: And maybe after the season will get the full like

574
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Speaker 6: this is what he was experiencing during the season, which

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Speaker 6: I don't want to hear it. Then I kind of

576
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Speaker 6: want to hear it now if it's legit, and you know,

577
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Speaker 6: maybe take a seat.

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Speaker 5: Ian.

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Speaker 6: You've alluded to this in your reporting. I think that's

580
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 6: probably something that's going on here. But if you're on

581
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 6: the field, there's no excuses, no.

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Speaker 1: And again we've seen him show spurts of playing good football.

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Speaker 2: It's just understandable. Here.

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Speaker 1: Here was one thing that I heard from somebody within

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Speaker 1: the past couple of days who very familiar with the situation,

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Speaker 1: and they were talking about how, yeah, back during training

587
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: camp and the joint practices too, when the Jets scrimmage

588
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: the Giants Rogers was absolutely lights out. But then once

589
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: you got into the season, and I said, what, like,

590
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: what is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it he's mentally broken? Is it physically broken?

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Speaker 1: And what that person said was, you know, he's turning

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Speaker 1: forty one obviously today, Happy birthday, Aaron. It seems like

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Speaker 1: it hurts a lot more to get hit than he expected.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you're forty forty one years old. Every

596
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: time that you're getting knocked to the ground, everyone like

597
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: the toll just adds up faster than when you're a

598
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: younger man. Then you're into this sort of death spiral

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Speaker 1: here that's been going on seemingly since the season began.

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Speaker 1: It's not getting better. You don't have the adrenaline from winning.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see exactly where that goes from here.

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Speaker 2: What I do know is this show, this podcast rolls on.

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Speaker 2: There's part two is check that out as well.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Steelers, talk about the Ravens, We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about the outside DFC North as well.

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Speaker 1: So stick around or that or click.

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Speaker 2: On it or however this works. Mike and Judy, I'm Tom.

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Speaker 2: We will see that