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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's dej Envy, Charlamagne to God,

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Speaker 2: Jess hilarious. We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Jess is on maternity leave, so we have Lauren LaRosa

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Speaker 2: filling in and we have a special guest on the

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Speaker 2: line right now, she's actually out in Dubai. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: we have Sister Soldier. Welcome peace and how are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: I feel good?

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Speaker 2: You feel good.

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Speaker 3: Today's pub day, So I'm excited and I hope that,

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Speaker 3: you know, people will get a chance to read my book,

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Speaker 3: and people who enjoy the series will like this new edition.

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Speaker 3: Oh they will.

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Speaker 2: Now we ask for you to be in person, but

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Speaker 2: they say, Sister Soldier is in Dubai.

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Speaker 1: So have you moved to Dubai?

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Speaker 2: What is in Dubai? Why are you in Dubai? Why

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Speaker 2: did a girl from the Bronx decide she wanted to

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Speaker 2: go to Dubai to start writing?

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Speaker 3: Well, I needed some peace in my life. You know.

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Speaker 3: Writing takes a highlight level of concentration, and so if

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Speaker 3: I want to concentrate, I need things to quiet down

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Speaker 3: and be a little steady. And so I had come

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Speaker 3: here before, maybe around twenty thirteen, and I said, this

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Speaker 3: would probably be a good place to have that kind

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Speaker 3: of peace of mind. So much was going on in

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Speaker 3: now at least I can concentrate and focus and feel

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Speaker 1: You know, peace, How are you? I just walked back.

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Speaker 4: I'm blessed black and Holly favor. But I don't blame

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Speaker 4: you for getting out of here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I really At the time that I left,

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Speaker 3: I you know, I was really thinking about it quite clearly,

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Speaker 2: Do you feel a lot of the stuff that you

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Speaker 2: seems like when you go back and look at some

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Speaker 2: of the things you've talked about, if you've spoken about

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Speaker 2: the themes, seems like things never change. It's like we're

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Speaker 3: I think things do change, and I think it's gotten worse.

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Speaker 3: I'm always shocked, like every time, you know, I'm always

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Speaker 3: It's like when I'm working or when I'm with my

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Speaker 3: And as soon as I hear from my family at home,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, no, you don't what's next, you know.

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Speaker 2: What do you think makes Dubai so peaceful?

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Speaker 3: Order Dubai Uae is an Islamic country, and so it

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Speaker 3: And so morality and certain order and certain civility is

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Speaker 4: Every black woman that I've met that in the UA,

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Speaker 1: That's how empowered they feel there. Well.

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Speaker 3: because the limits are the law.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: You're here to talk about love After Midnight, which is

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Speaker 4: the latest installment of the Winter Santiago series. For those

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Speaker 4: who aren't familiar with the series, how would you describe

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Speaker 4: what the series is about?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know anybody who's not familiar with the

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Speaker 3: The Coldest Winterever has survived through generations. It's a book

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Speaker 3: that every new set of thirteen year old girls and

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Speaker 3: boys read. It's a book that is so popular in

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Speaker 3: the prison system, is so popular in all women's gatherings

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Speaker 3: and even sororities and so on and so forth. So

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Speaker 3: people who follow this series know the Winter series is

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Speaker 3: like the coldest winter ever, and then Life After Death

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Speaker 3: and then Love After Midnight, which is in stores now today.

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Speaker 3: I also this is the This is my seventh novel,

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Speaker 3: audio book. So if you buy the book from Audible

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Speaker 3: or wherever, you're gonna hear my narration of one of

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Speaker 1: How was what it changed since Life After Death?

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Speaker 3: How has Winter changed? Yeah? I think Winter is so

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Speaker 3: much like us. In other words, you know how something

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Speaker 3: you feel the pain, and you feel the suffering in

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Speaker 3: life after death. I think so many shocking, unknown things

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Speaker 3: was very clear about it. But most like most of us,

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Speaker 3: we forget. You know, one day you were praying and

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Speaker 3: I don't think before her death experience she knew that.

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Speaker 3: She is all about her business now and now her

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Speaker 3: So how she juggles is what we'll see when to

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Speaker 3: go through in Love After Midnight, and how she pursues

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Speaker 3: the thing she wants in her life, like she wants

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Speaker 3: But she's very picky and she'll she'll you know, choose

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Speaker 3: it's good for her business wise, financially, it's good for

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Speaker 3: think that people will love Love after Midnight. I call

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Speaker 4: It's actually it's actually more trauma bonding than anything more toxic.

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Speaker 3: Exact in the first so you're about to experience her trauma.

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Speaker 5: In the first chapter. Mood the like the first couple

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Speaker 3: All right. In the beginning of my novels always there's

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Speaker 3: is what to remember and what to forget? So what

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Speaker 3: But if you bring the streets with you into your business,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm constantly seeing cases on being aired on platforms

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Speaker 3: knowing what to remember, what to forget, what to hold

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Speaker 3: It's the same like you block somebody on your phone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we see it so many different times. You know,

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean when Obama was running, you know, everyone

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Speaker 3: And I think in the US we have a co

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Speaker 1: That's real.

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Speaker 4: Why have it the Coldest went to ever been turned

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Speaker 3: She optioned it a long, long time ago. Let me

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not against it. The right deal, yes, the

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Speaker 3: I say, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm selling.

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Speaker 3: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna freeze all

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Speaker 3: It's like if I had ten houses and I'm selling

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Speaker 3: But that's not me the case.

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Speaker 1: That's right, because you live a great life.

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Speaker 3: In a moment of the law. I do you know.

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Speaker 3: I try to be a good person. I make my prayers,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, my daughter just turned sixteen, so I'm

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Speaker 1: I think you know she's ready to read those now.

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Speaker 1: I think I believe she is.

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Speaker 3: I hope, I hope you give her the Midnight books

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Speaker 1: Don't want to think about that.

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Speaker 5: Y'all might got talked through those, like she needs to

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Speaker 5: Midnight series it changed my yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, But he needs to know. She needs to

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Speaker 3: Because the Midnight Books don't only address manhood, they also

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Well, make sure you pick it up if you're out

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Speaker 2: and about. Pick up Love after Midnight. And Sister Soldier

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Speaker 2: and be safe out there. We love you, Sister Soldier.

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Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that.

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Speaker 1: Ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club.