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Speaker 1: It is Monday, July twenty seconds. It's time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: My name is Thomas, I'm the host this program. I

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Speaker 1: am joined by my co host, Brian Campbell. Yeah, CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports from a lot of different places where he's been.

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Speaker 1: He's been on the road back today. How are you

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Speaker 1: feeling You've been.

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Speaker 2: A day nine of this rodeo road trip. I'm not

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Speaker 2: responsible for any words that come out with my mom,

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Speaker 2: just to let you know, you never are.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to get to today. So if

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Speaker 1: we have UFC on ESPN four, we have Pac Thurman

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Speaker 1: which he was at in Las Vegas, and a bunch

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Speaker 1: of other headlines. Now this is a live program. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people think we tape this dissected his tape

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat is not taped this this version of it.

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Speaker 1: So there was news this morning. Brian, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a crazy tape for but we need to get to

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Speaker 1: it before we get to aldus that happened over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: namely Okay. John Jones was not arrested, but he was

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Speaker 1: charged with battery related to an incident involving a dancer

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Speaker 1: at a strip club. Waits if you want to dock

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Speaker 1: tail waitress something like that some of the details are

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Speaker 1: still a little unclear. Was a Albertquerque news outlet that

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Speaker 1: posted the story, and some of the MMA outlets are

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Speaker 1: catching up with that. I first thought on bloody Elbow,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot we don't know about it. He took

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Speaker 1: to Twitter this morning, John Jones, the current usc LET

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Speaker 1: heavyweight champions, saying he's still looking the fight in December.

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Speaker 1: Don't believe everything you read, blah blah blah. I've been

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Speaker 1: known by John Jones as a hater. I've been known

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Speaker 1: by John Jones haters as a fan of John Jones.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the middle very quickly. I don't

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Speaker 1: have the hottest take on this one. I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: you do. Is there anything to really derive from this?

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Speaker 1: Knowing as little as we do.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I can tell you from it at

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Speaker 3: this point without knowing the information. John Jones denied it.

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Speaker 2: He didn't know. Apparently there was a warrant out for him.

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, he had a person speak on

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Speaker 1: his behalf some flak. I don't know, but they were like,

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Speaker 1: he's not only is he not guilty, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: multiple witnesses corroborating his side of the store, So innos

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Speaker 1: until proving guilty. I don't know what to make of it.

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Speaker 3: That's certainly there obviously, though in the court of public opinion,

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Speaker 3: if there's any value in these haters online, you're naturally

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Speaker 3: going to doubt him based on his recent history.

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Speaker 2: So that's sort of in there. We'll wait to see

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Speaker 3: I just think as a whole though, there's been some

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Speaker 3: disconcerting things that's come out of John's mouth since he's

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Speaker 3: gone down this road of sort of trouble peaks and valleys,

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Speaker 3: coming back saying he's a clean man when you interview him,

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Speaker 3: when you actually sit down and hear from him, he

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Speaker 3: does say the right things, except sometimes there's like I'm

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Speaker 3: no longer doing recreational drugs, but I'm still going out

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Speaker 3: these clubs and staying out late with my friends. And

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Speaker 3: sometimes when you hear some of those things, you go

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Speaker 3: if I'm a public figure at this level, if I'm

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Speaker 3: they're calling me the greatest fighter of all time, yet

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Speaker 3: I've had so much trouble. Maybe I won't go to

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Speaker 3: strip clubs late at night. Maybe I won't go to

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Speaker 3: maybe I'll protect what I have. That's just maybe a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a word of advice. Whether no matter

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Speaker 3: guilty or not.

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Speaker 2: You just want to remove yourself from those situations when

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Speaker 2: you have this much to protect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a question just risk, man, how do

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Speaker 1: you manage risk? And so for me, it's like, look,

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Speaker 1: he's saying he didn't do anything. By the purposes of

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Speaker 1: the law, he has not been established to have any guilt.

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Speaker 1: So as we speak today, I'm not really I don't

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Speaker 1: and again he says he didn't do anything. But just

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Speaker 1: for like young men of the world, it's not hard

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Speaker 1: you don't get to have everything in life, right, there

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Speaker 1: are certain things based on what you ethically believe in,

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Speaker 1: You can't get to do everything. So we'll see what

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget.

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Speaker 3: I fan boyd once at the two thousand and one

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Speaker 3: NBA All Star Game Washington, d C. I don't know

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Speaker 3: the players. There was one player who was not there

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Speaker 3: the whole weekend. Allen Iverson asked other players, why where's Iverson?

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Speaker 3: He's got too much to protect. He wants to stay

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Speaker 2: At that point, Hey, John, maybe stay away from the

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Speaker 2: strip clubs or put a poll in your basement. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, bring the action to you at

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Speaker 2: this point. Just stay away from the big.

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Speaker 1: Boy style and an outcast. He has a striper pole

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Speaker 1: in his house. All right, So let's get to the

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Speaker 1: weekend action. We'll get to pack them in just a minute.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with the MMA side of things UFC on

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Speaker 1: ESPN four. It's in the books, Lads and Gentlemen. Leon

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Speaker 1: Edwards defeats half Ael dos Ajos. He was twelfth ranked,

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Speaker 1: taking on fourth ranked RDA. Dude. RDA took such a

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Speaker 1: don't do that, because it blew up in his face.

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Speaker 1: He didn't get mauled, but everything he was working towards

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Speaker 1: because you had only Colby Covington, only Jorgey Masvidal and

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Speaker 1: only Kamar Usman is the champion. Then Tyron Woodley in

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: So he was right on that precipice. I thought, if

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Speaker 1: you won this fight, Brian, you would have had Rdia

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Speaker 1: versus Tyron Woodley. Who else would he have fought? And

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Speaker 1: now he listen to someone who's outside the top ten.

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Speaker 3: So funny that he would use the terminology blew up

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Speaker 3: in his face when he did have that seventies adult

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Speaker 2: The money shot never came in.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Yes, and that's the thing

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Speaker 1: I donny drops out of the top ten. But now

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Speaker 1: Now he has said he's called Askrin a bomb, I believe,

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Speaker 1: Horney Massital though he called him an amateur.

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Speaker 2: Called him a weasel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My attute about this is people are like Jorne

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Speaker 1: masvidal As should take the fight against Leland Edwards. Why

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Speaker 1: on earth, yes, would Jorge maswitdal ever accept the fight?

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Speaker 1: Leland Edwards is good, no, nay, excellent. No knows who

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Speaker 1: he is on the side of the panal that's slowly

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Speaker 1: beginning to change, and he's behind you in the rankings.

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Speaker 1: You just saw RDA take the exact same risk and

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Speaker 1: it didn't pay off. If you're Joge mask at all,

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Speaker 1: you've never been this high up on the food chain before.

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Speaker 1: It makes absolutely no sense. What's I'm not saying. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to see them fight. It'd be a good

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Speaker 1: fight and maybe before have even wins, but as a

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Speaker 1: really clear to me how they're gonna do this. Maybe

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Speaker 1: have a hard time finding this guy an opponent because

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Speaker 1: no one knows him. His style is not action oriented,

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Speaker 2: I think he's got a problem. He just nailed it.

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Speaker 2: He's really really good.

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Speaker 3: Leon Edwards is almost too good for his own good

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Speaker 3: in this in this bubble and the fact that he's

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Speaker 3: in the wrong division right now, He's got an eight

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Speaker 3: fight winning streak. He's been fantastic. He minimizes risk, he's efficient.

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Speaker 3: You could do a long breakdown in front of this

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Speaker 3: blackboard and uh and really go, you know, nerd heavy

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Speaker 3: on that like you like to do, which is fine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know you're more of a masculine nerd.

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Speaker 3: You gotta anyway, My point on this is, look, he's

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Speaker 3: really in the wrong division. He would he's almost getting

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Speaker 3: when's this guy gonna get it?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 3: There are marketable players in this division and it's very deep,

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Speaker 3: and there's one thing he does not do. Along with

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Speaker 2: You can call himself Rocky, he's problems.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't fight like Rocky Balboa or even Rocky Pennington.

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Speaker 3: He fights almost like a Floyd Mayweather or a champion

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Speaker 3: version of Tyron Woodley. And that's smart and that's efficient,

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Speaker 3: but he's not marketable and he doesn't finish, and that

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Speaker 3: UFC where we are right now, where in his last

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Speaker 3: ten fights he only has two finishes. It would be

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Speaker 3: a great story for him to one day get that

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Speaker 3: Usman rematch because Usman was the last time Edwards lost

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Speaker 3: what four or five years ago. Problem is they're both

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Speaker 3: kind of the same fighter, not extremely marketable, very good

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Speaker 3: at what they do, and they don't finish. So he's

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Speaker 3: not getting that shot anytime soon. Edwards's best case scenario

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Speaker 3: a marketable fight is Mosvidal, like you mentioned, I don't

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Speaker 3: even think he sold it enough in the cage, actually

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Speaker 3: did not like he should have or could have. I

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Speaker 3: mentioned on last week that the worst case scenario for

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Speaker 3: Mosvidal is to get that Edwards fight because you can't

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Speaker 3: show the footage of them fighting and talking trash whatever.

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Speaker 3: But again, if you're Mosvidal, like you said, why in

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Speaker 3: the world would you ever sign up for a Swiss

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Speaker 3: army knife trap fight against Edwards where he can do

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Speaker 3: a lot of things to expose you when you are

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Speaker 3: trying to cash in on a title shot or big money.

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Speaker 3: I feel bad for Leon. If he was anywhere else,

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Speaker 3: you'd be knocking on that door.

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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. Did you see that? I

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Speaker 1: may have missed this, So if I did, I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the UFC showing any of the footage

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Speaker 1: between Masvidal and and Edwards? Dude? Was that not a

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Speaker 1: crime promotionally promotional malpractice? How do you not get that? Right?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think it shows you what their thoughts are. This

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Speaker 3: is not a fight they're looking to promote right.

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Speaker 1: Now, right, But that's the that's the viral moment that

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Speaker 1: Yes, finish your point.

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Speaker 1: claim of uh, this is a lesser than than the alternative. No,

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Speaker 2: But tru or foss in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to be a risk averse fighter who's

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Speaker 1: But Tony Ferguson, look at him. He is all actioned

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Speaker 3: Show, okay, but he's in the the most historically deep

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Speaker 1: just absolutely molly wopped Juan Adams. What did you learn

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Speaker 3: Not much from a fighting standpoint, not much. This wasn't

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Speaker 3: And maybe the problem with how we market him here.

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Speaker 3: I still know he's a plus athlete in an next

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Speaker 3: And there's times when he's sort of talking this reckless

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Speaker 3: You're closer to see him punk right now than you

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Speaker 1: This is the this is the exact problem he in

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Speaker 3: the whole thing like. He's gonna be able to beat guys.

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Speaker 3: He shouldn't just on the explosive this in the power right.

436
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Speaker 1: So here's what you're asking, what did I learn he

437
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Speaker 1: had good hips in this in this fight, not how

438
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Speaker 1: much did we really learned about it? No, here's the point.

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Speaker 1: Go back and look, why did the takedown? Why did

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Speaker 1: want Adams land in the way that he did because

441
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Speaker 1: he got forced to the ground by the sheer the hipstone?

442
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Speaker 1: Why would his fader or why was he able to

443
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Speaker 1: compete as a heavyweight because he had the most mobile

444
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Speaker 1: hips underneath when he needed to be. But the point

445
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Speaker 1: being is he was strong in that position. He throws

446
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Speaker 1: damage in all positions. It's not like you people want

447
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,639
Speaker 1: some moment but are like, aha, now we know Greg Hardy,

448
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,960
Speaker 1: but he's at heavyweight. Look at Francis. How much do

449
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Speaker 1: you know about Francis since he came back? How much

450
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Speaker 1: you know about Francis since he came back from the

451
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Speaker 1: loss to Derek Lewis. Okay, you know he's mentally recovered

452
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Speaker 1: because he looks to be in the zone. Do we

453
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Speaker 1: know anything about his gas tank? Because that's how have.

454
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Speaker 2: You solve that answer about what we know about him?

455
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be interesting how difficultly he's match moving forward,

456
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Speaker 3: because are we gonna get sick of and look it

457
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter really, but are we gonna get sick of

458
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Speaker 3: watching him blow away these these bottom feeder level heavyweights

459
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Speaker 3: in one round because he's just athletically and stronger than them.

460
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Speaker 3: Should we should they step it up a decent notch

461
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Speaker 3: now and not care about him taking a loss and

462
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Speaker 3: being exposed because and then may you're gonna you're gonna

463
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Speaker 3: have to learn and grow along the way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Well, that was the thing about Francis was they

465
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Speaker 1: were not giving him easy fights, but they were giving

466
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Speaker 1: him guys who were strike first, friendly kind of thing.

467
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Speaker 1: But then they gave him the other ones. They gave

468
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Speaker 1: him steep Ay that didn't go well, but they gave

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Speaker 1: him Kyene didn't go well. He fought Curtis Blaze twice.

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Speaker 2: You're really gonna go with the kayene pronunciation.

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Speaker 1: It's morning combat. I'm just feeling fisty this morning. But

472
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Speaker 1: the point being is they gave him all the wrestlers

473
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Speaker 1: short of Daniel Cormier and again a rematch with Steepe

474
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Speaker 1: that they could possibly give him. So we're gonna have

475
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Speaker 1: see what happens with Greg Hardy. But like this idea though,

476
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Speaker 1: like he's not going to materialize. I see every time

477
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Speaker 1: he fights through Like man, I can't stand Greg Hardy.

478
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Speaker 1: You might want to backpocket that because he's going to

479
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Speaker 1: be around for a while at least if you can

480
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Speaker 1: stay injury free or something like that, it's gonna be

481
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Speaker 1: also interesting to see Brian. Let's say he starts to

482
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Speaker 1: get really good.

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Speaker 2: How are they going to market it? That's my biggest

484
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Speaker 2: question because he's polarizing.

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Speaker 3: I do think you have to pick a lane, and

486
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Speaker 3: like I said, I think he does two personality wise.

487
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Speaker 2: If he doesn't want to do the sit down on.

488
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Speaker 3: Barbara Walters and that's a Dad reference and do the

489
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Speaker 3: deep apology to the camera, I'm not saying he has to,

490
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Speaker 3: but if you're not going to do something like that,

491
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Speaker 3: you're going to be a villain to so many people.

492
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Speaker 3: So when you're gonna do some of this corny trash

493
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Speaker 3: talk after the fight, I'm almost.

494
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Speaker 2: Saying, play the villain.

495
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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying every African American fighter needs to

496
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Speaker 3: pick this role and play the villain to get the

497
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Speaker 3: most out of him financially. But I almost think they

498
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Speaker 3: do need to make the decision. Are we going with

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Speaker 3: the second chance narrative or are we going with I'm

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Speaker 3: a badass and I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming after you.

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Speaker 1: I don't like his name, the God of war whatever,

503
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Speaker 1: but like, here's the thing, it's like prince, he's the

504
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Speaker 1: Prince of War do He clearly as an aptitude for

505
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Speaker 1: the game and clearly likes it, and he's athletic that

506
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Speaker 1: that alone is going to keep him at heavyweight for

507
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Speaker 1: much longer than his critics are going to be comfortable with.

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Speaker 3: People like polarizing subjects. They love our polarizing Septichor right now, did.

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Speaker 1: You see do you see the video of Dan Mardleatta

510
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Speaker 1: raising the hand? No, so they had he had won,

511
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Speaker 1: and he had Greg and they read the thing and he,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, he raises Greg's hand and Greg does the

513
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Speaker 1: Fortnite dance or whatever, and Dan just shakes his head

514
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Speaker 1: and walks off. You haven't seen that. There's a viral moment,

515
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Speaker 1: in fact, to the point where Abraham Kawa, the manager

516
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Speaker 1: Greg Hardy, was like, Dan should never ref a fight again.

517
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I didn't like the Fortnite

518
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Speaker 1: dance either, Abraham. So I guess love to see how

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Speaker 1: that goes. All right, So we move along.

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Speaker 3: By the way, we also have referees who have long

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Speaker 3: ass ponytails, coming from their chins will trum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, hey, look they're a weird bunch too.

523
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Speaker 1: No one who is in MMA is not weird. The

524
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Speaker 1: fighters are weird, the referees are weird. The media is

525
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Speaker 1: super weird.

526
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Speaker 2: I'm a boxing journalist. I don't know you're all right.

527
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Speaker 1: So Dan Hooker gets back to the winning circle. I

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Speaker 1: want to go on this one first. If I may,

529
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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, I'm going to start the opposite way, though,

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Speaker 1: Dan Hooker beats James Vick in the first round, I

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Speaker 1: want to start with vic. I had him in my

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Speaker 1: studio in DC about a week ago, and he looked

533
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Speaker 1: in good shape. He had been well trained, but he

534
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Speaker 1: had said something to me that really stood out. Namely,

535
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Speaker 1: he's thirty two years old and heading into the contest.

536
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Speaker 1: Before this weekend he had a nine to one run

537
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Speaker 1: and now he had lost two, but then three. Now

538
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Speaker 1: he was like, you know, all these guys are technically

539
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Speaker 1: ahead of me because I didn't start till I was

540
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Speaker 1: much later. You know, a lot of these guys have

541
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Speaker 1: been doing this since X years or why years. I

542
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly when Dan Hooker got his start in

543
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Speaker 1: martial arts, but Suffice to say the point about Vic

544
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Speaker 1: for himself was true. He's He's like, because he was saying,

545
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Speaker 1: I've been trained two three times a day.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, how do you do that?

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Speaker 1: Thirty two? He's like, I don't have a choice. I

548
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Speaker 1: have this much time to catch up, and I got

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Speaker 1: to do everything possible to get ahead. Okay, fair enough,

550
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Speaker 1: But to me, that wasn't a choice about skill. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Dan Hooker is better on the feet, no question, but

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Speaker 1: that was knowable going in, which is to say on

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Speaker 1: the feet, you'd be like, Okay, it's Dan Hooker's fight.

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Speaker 1: On the ground. You would think that would be James

555
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Speaker 1: Vix fights. Now, how you get Dan Hooker to the floor. Okay,

556
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the easiest task in the world,

557
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Speaker 1: but I would think that James would be up to it. Now.

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Speaker 1: He didn't make that choice. He paid for it. It's

559
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Speaker 1: three losses in a row. I really wonder what they're

560
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Speaker 1: going to do with him, because I still think very

561
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Speaker 1: highly Like he lost to Paul Felder, but he had

562
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Speaker 1: punctured as lung and that was a close fight for

563
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Speaker 1: the most of its way. The only two fires he

564
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Speaker 1: really got brutalized by in the UFC, I believe would

565
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Speaker 1: be this one Stephens and then and then no, no,

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Speaker 1: it would be James.

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Speaker 2: James ry No, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Geiche the gey chee fighting and then this one taking

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Speaker 1: Jeremy ste So you're losing to two people who are

570
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Speaker 1: pretty upper echelons on the end of the world. But nevertheless,

571
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Speaker 1: three losses in a row. If this was ten years ago,

572
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Speaker 1: you'd be on the chopping block. I don't think they're

573
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Speaker 1: necessarily going to do that, but this is going to

574
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Speaker 1: hurt his income.

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Speaker 2: This is bad.

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Speaker 1: This is a setback for his stock. He was rising

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Speaker 1: all the way through the ranks. It's a major, major setback,

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Speaker 1: and it's one that to me, was avoided. When I

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Speaker 1: look at MMA, Brian, I see so many fighters, good fighters,

580
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Speaker 1: great fighters, and I'm nobody's coach. It just seems to

581
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Speaker 1: be they don't fight up to their potential. Look at

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Speaker 1: Wan Adams over the weekend. You gotta tell me that's

583
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Speaker 1: the best of want Adams. Of course it's not. You

584
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Speaker 1: gotta tell me that was the best of James Vick.

585
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Speaker 1: Of course it's not. And it keeps happening over and over.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have a good explanation for it. I do,

587
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Speaker 1: but James Vick might find himself in beltmore or one.

588
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Speaker 1: But certainly on back to the chopping block here on

589
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Speaker 1: the I should say the drawing board rather here in

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Speaker 1: the US's that way to do.

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Speaker 2: What I said last week.

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Speaker 3: What I loved about this fight is that there's almost

593
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Speaker 3: was a loser leaves town element, both coming off of

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Speaker 3: big losses too, obviously for Vic where it's sort of

595
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Speaker 3: like we're gonna find out who's made for title contention

596
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: and just had a hiccup and they adjusted, and who

597
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Speaker 3: is more of a pretender than a true title contender.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for James Vick, he used that term. He told

599
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Speaker 3: you he was technically behind all these guys. Yeah, yeah,

600
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Speaker 3: he's technically behind. He has a fatal technical flaw. He

601
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Speaker 3: doesn't move his head enough or keep his hands up enough,

602
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Speaker 3: and it's now being exposed the higher he's stepping up

603
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Speaker 3: in level against the elite strikers. They sort of nailed

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Speaker 3: one thing on the broadcast. He's great when he's getting

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Speaker 3: off first. He's got the boxing background and he's got

606
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Speaker 3: big power. He's got big power, he's got that height advantage.

607
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Speaker 3: He's got some striking things that are sexy and valuable

608
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: in this space, but he's also in again a historically

609
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Speaker 3: deep division where it's all killer and no filler. And

610
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Speaker 3: this is a very tough opponent in Hooker, who I

611
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Speaker 3: do think is destined to actually crack the upper echelon.

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Speaker 3: And he's in a great camp. He's got you know, iron,

613
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Speaker 3: Sharpen's iron, all that good stuff there. But Vick is

614
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Speaker 3: fatally flawed in that one thing. And if you can't

615
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Speaker 3: figure out how to grow into Jim, I mean, it's

616
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Speaker 3: happened before, I accidentally said Jeremy Stevens.

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Speaker 1: Before.

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Speaker 3: Here's a guy who was sort of a rugged brawler

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Speaker 3: and had that window where he looked like a real

620
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Speaker 3: title contender because he fixed some things and polished it off.

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Speaker 3: This is now a giant wake up call to Vic

622
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Speaker 3: that when you're on this level, there are no.

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Speaker 1: Mistakes, right And also, you know, it's easy for me

624
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Speaker 1: to be like you should take it to the ground.

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Speaker 1: Take it to the ground is not easy getting into

626
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Speaker 1: range with Dan Hooker, who's got brilliant knees, it's not easy.

627
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Speaker 1: None of those things are easy. But as long as

628
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Speaker 1: that fight was on the feet, he just felt like.

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Speaker 2: He got hit early. And often in that fight, and

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Speaker 2: he's a.

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Speaker 1: Good guy, and he's a good fighter. I think he

632
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Speaker 1: can return, but he's got some tough choices to make

633
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Speaker 1: about what the best place. By the way, maybe uset

634
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Speaker 1: to decide. I want to go to one and compete

635
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Speaker 1: there and make some more money, and I don't have

636
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Speaker 1: to fight the crazy super elite guys of the world.

637
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Speaker 1: Or you can go to belt or and fight still

638
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: pretty elite guys. But he'd be a huge addition to

639
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Speaker 1: their roster. I don't think he's on the end of

640
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Speaker 1: his contract.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's I mean, look, you got to

642
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: go back down and beat the guys you're supposed to

643
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: beat now, but you're going to have to show us

644
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Speaker 3: some more. Some people criticized Goodell for Claudia Deelhof for

645
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: getting to a certain point in their career. She She's like,

646
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Speaker 3: I got to evolve and become a complete mixed martial artist, and.

647
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Speaker 1: That takes time.

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Speaker 3: But you need a wake up call A lot of

649
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Speaker 3: times you do that you hit a certain plateau. He's

650
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: hit that plateau. I don't want you to roll on

651
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: before we say how good Dan Hooker looked, though, I mean,

652
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: is this the biggest win by a Hooker sends Heidi

653
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 3: fleisch Be came acrossover celebrity.

654
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: I like your super eighties, nineties dated references. I'll say

655
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: this for Hooker, I was really and I know his cornerman,

656
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: Eugene Bairman. I have total and profound respect for Eugene Bairman.

657
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 1: I really Here's what I've noticed in corner stoppages, going

658
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: back to the Edson, Borbosa and Hooker fight. You'll get

659
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: good I mean elite coaches, and they still I don't

660
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: think we have as a community figured out how to

661
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: stop fights in MMA, as a corner went to intervene

662
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: on the side of mercy and health. I think even

663
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: the very best ones, the Jackson's, the bear Men's, the Gibsons,

664
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: they still don't know. And if you talk to them privately,

665
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: those say there's a couple of fights on their records.

666
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: They wish they would have called for their fighter a

667
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. But in MMA it's so really difficult.

668
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: Like the Tago Santos one. I actually, you know, as

669
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: a cornerman, I wouldn't have been mad if they stopped

670
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: that one. But Tago Santos thirty five is he ever

671
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: going to get a shot the belts again. Yeah, that's

672
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: a more calculated call. But you mentioned Raquel Pennington saying

673
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: I quit forcing her back out there. She gets smashed,

674
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: then she goes back and loses to Jermain der Enemy.

675
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: She comes back in this one and gets the split decision,

676
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: only pointing out there's lasting consequences of these things all

677
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: the time. However, in the case of Dan Hooker, he

678
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: fought in December against Barboso, took all that time off,

679
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: he came back looking ready to rock dialed in. That

680
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: was like, all right, Dan is back, ladies and gentlemen,

681
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: and you compare him up with anybody in that division

682
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Now, the very very very top

683
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: of that is all just this huge bundle of mess.

684
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: But everything below it, dude, I'm all in book. Whoever

685
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: you want there, make it happen. Dan Hooker is all

686
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: action all the time and only getting better.

687
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: He looks for real, he looks for really. It looks

688
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: like you can see that technical strength behind it. And

689
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: I think he had that hoard of heart. Test against

690
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: Barbosa was a fight.

691
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: He was out gunned. He tried to gut it out.

692
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: That fight probably should have been stopped, but I think

693
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: that's something he's going to grow from and be stronger.

694
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: All right, So let's go to you on this one,

695
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: my friend, welcome back. How was Vegas? How many ratchet

696
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: bachelorette parties did you see?

697
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to get through where I need to go

698
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: in Vegas in one hundred and nine degree heat in front.

699
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: Of vis you walked to the MGM.

700
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: I did a lot of walking.

701
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: You cut through the hotels, you get you know, you

702
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: get that land bridge thing, and yeah, they do a

703
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 3: lot that whole ride. Look, I don't want to sit

704
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: here and rip Las Vegas food game again, although I

705
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: will at any point or the clientele or the aura

706
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: in the city, but when you're there a total of

707
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: fifteen days in one month for UFC two thirty nine

708
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: and this, Yeah.

709
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: I rather first world problems, indeed, But I'd rather just

710
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: die then that people would I would, honestly if I

711
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: had to do that for work, I'd be like, I'm sorry,

712
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: I just I quit this job. Yeah, I'm not going

713
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: to do this anymore. All right, So let's get to

714
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: a pac Thurman. I feel like I had MMA fans

715
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: reach out to me. Brian being like, well, I wasn't

716
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: gonna watch that fight, but you and Brian on Morning Combat.

717
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: You guys were sice in that fight, so I wanted

718
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: to see it. And then they were like, you know what,

719
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: it paid off. It was a great fight. Let's start

720
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: first with the controversy in the room. You scored it

721
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: a one fourteen one thirteen. You took a hilacious meeting.

722
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: I think I had it one fifteen, one twelve for Pacio.

723
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: Hebe one sixteen one fifteen twelve.

724
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: By the way, because of the point deduction for the knockdown,

725
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: it's seven rounds to five for Pai.

726
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: Yea fair enough.

727
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I had it for Pakio. You scored it for Thurman. Yes,

728
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: tell me why you scored it for Thurman? And what

729
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: you have to say to the people abusing you online.

730
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: I mean, look at people, all people of the online world.

731
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: Before you take a swing, It's like, I wonder, what

732
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: are we fighting for here?

733
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: Was this fight? Let's play tru or false? Luke, I'll

734
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: use you as the average John dunkin this place. True

735
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: or false? Was this fight?

736
00:28:59,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: Uh?

737
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: A borderline instant classic in terms of fun drama on competition?

738
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: True?

739
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: And what does the instant classic normally tell you that

740
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: it was a close fight. Correct.

741
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: True in the second half after a great start, did

742
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: Manny Pacio at forty.

743
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: Slow down just a bit, allowing Thurman to relly?

744
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: True?

745
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: Okay.

746
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: Did all three judges in the end score this fight

747
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: seven rounds to five in either direction?

748
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: False? No, that's actually true.

749
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, sorry anither direction?

750
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: The direction?

751
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: So that tells you that, uh, we're pretty close. Right here,

752
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: I scored a seven rounds, although.

753
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Saying I scored it like a Nevada judge.

754
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: All right, here's the deal.

755
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: That's all these years into this in my career that

756
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: people still don't understand what round by round scoring is. Okay,

757
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: so can we put that out there. I didn't watch

758
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: this fight and then go after twelve rounds, who do

759
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: you think won this fight?

760
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

761
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: It was Thurman?

762
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: No, Pakia won the night, He won the moral story

763
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: whatever Max Kellerman deemed that quote that time. He landed

764
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: the bigger shots, he had the bigger moments.

765
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: He was the winner. If you were doing it under

766
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: Pride rules. We don't do it under Prid rules.

767
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: So even though Pacchio knocked them down in round one,

768
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: and can I teach people online you do only get

769
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: one extra point for a knockdown, you don't get seventeen

770
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: people that watch while their fury and didn't score it.

771
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: By the way, bloodied Thurman's nose in round five, hurt

772
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: him with a vicious body shot in round ten. But guys,

773
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: that's still three rounds over a twelve round fight. I

774
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: thought in that second half Thurman made a big rally.

775
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: I thought he was landing the bigger punches. I thought

776
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: there were at least three rounds in which Thurman owned

777
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: the first two plus minutes of it, and then Pacquiao

778
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: had big moments slate and then you're sort of in

779
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: that divide, which happens often in a great fight. A

780
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: lot of times it's the boxer against the puncher, and

781
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: you're like, did I like the guy who controlled the

782
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: round for two minutes or do I like the guy

783
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: that landed the one or two big shots. This was

784
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: a close ass fight that when I did the math

785
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: in the end it was seven to five Thurman, and

786
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: that's fine. Compybox statistics don't tell you who want to fight,

787
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: but they can't help an argument, and in this case,

788
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: Thurman outlanded Pachio over twelve rounds connected on a higher

789
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: percentage landed more power punches, and in eight of the

790
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: twelve rounds landed more punches. Am I trying to argue

791
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: and say, hman one, No, am I trying to argue

792
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: against everyone on Twitter who's telling me to kill myself?

793
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: This was This is not b c Ross or adolescent

794
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: campbelled over here, Adelaide, Sorry.

795
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: You know what this actually was. This was a close,

796
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: great fight.

797
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: All right, Let's start with Thurman, the gentleman who you

798
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: think one, but who lost ultimately. By the way, this

799
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: is one of those fights. This is the reason why

800
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: the round for by round scoring is just perpetually confusing

801
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: to people, because if you did watch that fight as

802
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: a whole, he'd be like, oh right, pachiall won that one.

803
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Hurt him with the body show. He had him sort

804
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: of you know, hunched over, caught him with a right

805
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: over the top fading back in the first. You'd be like,

806
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: oh right, this is the guy.

807
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: And the problem is if you by the way that

808
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: round you can't even score ten eight because Thurman rallied

809
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: back at the end of scort just saying so it's

810
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: the same score as a closer.

811
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: There should be a it's the same problem in Mas

812
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: would agree you should have a scoring criteria that more

813
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: naturally coheres what you're obviously seeing. In any event, Thurman,

814
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: I feel like he split the difference on us here.

815
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: And here's what I mean. We were like, is he

816
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: going to be the Keith Thurman of old or is

817
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: he the Keith Thurman of new who's not as good?

818
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, And my thought was okay for now,

819
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: and maybe because he wanted two to three tune up

820
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: fights so this was only the second since coming back

821
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: from the long layoff, But my thought was he's definitely

822
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: not the Keith Thurman of old, let's say, the one

823
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: who beat Sean Porter, but pretty dang good and in

824
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: the right matchup, it'll be action packed. He promotes well

825
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: for the most part. He'll might get a boost from

826
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: the from the from the many pacio halo, so to speak,

827
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: even though he came out on the losing side of

828
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: things a little bit. And he can still beat very

829
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: good welter weights. Now, how good Crawford or a Spence type. No,

830
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that, that's probably probably not. But can

831
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: he beat really good fighters and give you bang for

832
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: your buck? Yes, Yes, I think he can. He showed tremendously.

833
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: What are you saying is he was he the old

834
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: the newer or a hybrid is the where you're gone?

835
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: He wasn't as good as his upper bound limit, and

836
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't as bad as we had feared. Me saying

837
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't as bad as we had feared. This was

838
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: clearly an improvement over the Jose se to Lopez fight.

839
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: In my judgment, he's a little bit more hittable than

840
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: he used to be, although he was always a little

841
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: bit hittable, but now he's a little bit more hurtable.

842
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I suppose he doesn't quite absorb damage the same way,

843
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: but dude, for him to rally back the way he did.

844
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: He began to split Pakio's timing late in that eighth,

845
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: ninth round and showed heart all the way to the final.

846
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: People don't think Pakiyall walked through hillacious blows some of

847
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: the hardest punches he's taken in a long ass time.

848
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: In fact, they're crazy.

849
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: In fact, Thurman's mechanics late were not that great because

850
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: he was swinging so wide, but he was landing do

851
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: he was hurting Pakio? So I have I thought Okay,

852
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: he definitely has not reached all the way back into

853
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: his bag of tricks. But yo, he's far enough back

854
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: where I take him seriously as a threat in that division.

855
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: On the right night, you never know who he could beat.

856
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: And do I know when I put down my money

857
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: for Keith Thurman that provided as the right opponent, of

858
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: course I'm going to get my money's worth one hundred percent.

859
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: So in many ways, he came out of this looking

860
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: pretty good. I think he came out of this looking great. Yeah,

861
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: you thought he won, well, I mean, let's take that out.

862
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: If my scorecard and Nan is an outlier, that's fine.

863
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Pakiyo won this fighty one the night. We're gonna leave

864
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: it at that. Under those grounds. It takes sometimes a loss.

865
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: To really make somebody appreciate you.

866
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: Do you remember Evander Holyfield's hire early runners heavyweight champion.

867
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: Everyone still said you're a blown up cruiserweight and you

868
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: didn't beat Tyson. It was until he lost to Riddick

869
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: Bow and showed incredible heart in their first fight and

870
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: got up off the canvas where people were like.

871
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if Vander Holyfield's great. I think this

872
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: was one of those style of moral victories. You said,

873
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: maybe he split the difference.

874
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: No, this is the best performance of Keith Thurman's damn

875
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: career and no I'm not so hear me out. What

876
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 3: we said when we analyze this fight is there's major questions.

877
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: Both are facing pack at forty. Can he do this

878
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: against a prime, unbeaten champion, who can punch Thurman?

879
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: Does he have a backbone anymore? Is he chinny? Is

880
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 2: he all these things?

881
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: So how we handicapped this fight was based upon sort

882
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: of negative characteristics that we thought were going to implement

883
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: in the reason why this fight was so great, the

884
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: reason why it was high speed chess over twelve rounds

885
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: look a lot like dal La Hoya Moisy mostly one

886
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: from two thousand. One of my favorite under the radar,

887
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: sleepy great fights is because both through their questions out

888
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: the window and brought the very best of themselves and

889
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: were willing.

890
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: To duel on the pay per view level. We're coming

891
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: off the Mayweather era where guys don't let their hands

892
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: go in the elite pay per view level, Triple G

893
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: Canelo outliers most of the time. It's more of a safe,

894
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: defensive battle. They went after it.

895
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: What did I say, Keith Thurman had to do in

896
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: this fight to really prove that he's back in to win.

897
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: If he tried to box Pakia for twelve rounds, he's

898
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: gonna lose. He has to be the puncher, he has

899
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: to be the bigger man, and he has to go

900
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: after it.

901
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing, But the reason he won the rounds

902
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: late was because he actually started boxing with Pacio. It's

903
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: actually not the way he won the fight. So the

904
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: rounds he won with the ones where he's stuck and moved,

905
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: not where he stood his ground.

906
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not saying you have to be a one

907
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: dimensional walk him down and that's the only way to

908
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: do that. But the one thing the punch sets did say,

909
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: Manny out jabbed him like eighty two to eleven, something

910
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: ridiculous like that, because the Keith Thurman did not go

911
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: in there with the mindset that I'm going to out

912
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: box him. He went in there with the mindset that

913
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hurt him and I'm going to finish him.

914
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: And he got off the canvas to do that. And

915
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: I saw the adjustments he was making around round four,

916
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: he was losing that fight badly. He made some key

917
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: adjustments to get back into that fight. He kept up

918
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: a hallacious pace trying to drag Manny Pacioo into deep

919
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: waters and get tired, and it never had happened. So

920
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: on my podcast after the fight on CBS Sports are

921
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: sort of breaking down what did Thurman do wrong in

922
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 3: the end, And you know what my answer was, he

923
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: fought forty year old great Manny Pachiyow. That's the only

924
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: thing that happened. Keith Thurman, I don't think lost this fight.

925
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: I think he showed you the top end of what

926
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: he's capable of.

927
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: Maybe it can't beat a Spencer Crawford, although I'm sure

928
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: he can be competitive in there.

929
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 3: Maybe we found out how great he can be. He

930
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: was pretty damn great on Saturday night. But as we know,

931
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: Pakio won and stole that night because he was even greater.

932
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 3: He was so much better than the Jeff Horn fight,

933
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: so much better than some of the questions we even had.

934
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: When he's punching Adrian Berner and Adrian Berner's not punching back.

935
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: Pakiao was willing to eat everything and come back, and

936
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: they both dug to a deeper gear. Keith Thurman, I

937
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: hope now finally gets any kind of any kind of

938
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: criticism out the window of called him part time some

939
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: of the time.

940
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: All the time, he's one time and he brought it.

941
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: Pakio was just better.

942
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: I think it's a charitable view. But nevertheless, to talk

943
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: about Pakio so to me, the people who are willfully

944
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: just naive, like, oh, how does Pakiao maintain this ability

945
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: at forty? He must get a great night sleep and

946
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: heed apat. I guess like, yeah, that's the reason.

947
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: But okay, what are you saying here?

948
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: Look where we go. What I'm saying is in any

949
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: kind of athletic contest, under even under strict testing for drugs,

950
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: you can that's not a great way to test it.

951
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: But when it's very lax, I don't know what the

952
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: truth is. But you're not entitled to the benefit of doubt, okay,

953
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: especially as you age. Now that being said, he did win.

954
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: What's his legacy forty years of age. He becomes the

955
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: fifth oldest champion boxing champion, the oldest oldest welter waight.

956
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: He is still the only guy through eight weight classes.

957
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: By the way, it doesn't look like he's done at all.

958
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: They're talking about fights maybe with with Spence. I don't

959
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: think get the Crawford one done, But okay, it's always

960
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: a possibility, I suppose. Now, some of the folks at ESPN,

961
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: I believe Steve Kim and Dan Rayfield were like, oh yeah,

962
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: Danny Garcia should be next.

963
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: I don't really agree.

964
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: So two questions. I'm gonna let you get well, let

965
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: me get to this one. First. Why not Floyd and

966
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: Manny too? Now here's the thing. Do I really want

967
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: to see that fight? The first one kind of sucked

968
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: and I was there all week for that. The build

969
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: up was great, The fight itself kind of sucked, but

970
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: it would do well. Manny looks rejuvenated to a degree.

971
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: He's hitting hard, he had good output, and Floyd was

972
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: there ringside looking on. Do I really believe that if

973
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: they made that rematch people wouldn't watch. If you had

974
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: made it after the Jeff Horn people might have checked out,

975
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: but even then it would have bought it. After Matisa,

976
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: no one really saw it, and then after Broner getting

977
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: warmer dude, after this, they absolutely would buy that. There

978
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: is no doubt in my mind how much you would do.

979
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: We can debate. That would arguably still be the biggest

980
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: pay per view of the year.

981
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: It would potentially be one of the biggest pay per

982
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: views of all time if they had done it, Like

983
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: you mentioned in that area where he had lost to

984
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: Horn and Mayweather was inactive to save for the McGregor fight.

985
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: You're always looking at the idea of well, the first

986
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: one did four point six million. If any form of

987
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: a rematch did half of that, you're still talking about

988
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: like the fourth biggest fight in history. Right, even if

989
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: it was an old guy money grab and that's all

990
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 3: it was. Pakiov's performance brought it back to being a

991
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: fight that would truly matter again because you're not.

992
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: Look, part of boxing promotion is lying.

993
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: It's it's it's lying, it's part you know, it's fudging things,

994
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 3: it's removing the wrinkles.

995
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: It's it's basically like a playboy spread in a lot

996
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: of ways, right, you know.

997
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: I mean you can dip your hand and that The

998
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: whole point here is though you have nothing to hide,

999
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: fake or show here, just show the footage here of

1000
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: Thurman Pacio and you'll learn that. So you mentioned Pacchio's legacy,

1001
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: and that was one of the things I said coming

1002
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: in the eight division champion thing. I mean, you accomplished

1003
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 3: that in like twenty ten basically, and maybe his second

1004
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: biggest thing is in is you know, one day boxing

1005
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: obituary will be lost to Floyd Mayweather in the biggest

1006
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: fight of the modern era. It's interesting what this win,

1007
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: the win over Thurman does. It doesn't take Manny from

1008
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: let's say you had them nineteenth best fighter ever.

1009
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: And you move them down to six.

1010
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: It's not anything like that, but it's adding more in

1011
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: the idea of by adding another chapter to his career

1012
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: late and now he's got the longevity and he's got

1013
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: the the part of his legacy where he's always able

1014
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: to kind of reinvent himself. Is he in the long

1015
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: range kind of pushing Floyd like that.

1016
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: Was Floyd's era? Floyd beat Man, he head to head,

1017
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: shoulder injury or not not going down to the road?

1018
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: Position is the position you're adopting, and it maybe right,

1019
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: maybe wrong. Floyd had fifty to oh, Paki has a

1020
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: what like seventy plus profits PACKI has like sixty and

1021
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: seven at this point two pretty close to seventy profiles.

1022
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: So is your argument that enough more wins overcomes the

1023
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: losses while Floyd still had none.

1024
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: Well, It's hard to compare that directly because Patio had

1025
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: two losses very early in his career, weight trained, probably

1026
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: nineteen years old, so and he took more chances than Floyd,

1027
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: a lot more chances rose.

1028
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: Up in weight.

1029
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: But the idea was when Floyd beat him, there was

1030
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: no longer a debate, Right, Floyd is the fighter of

1031
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: this era, and historically he's going to be considered a

1032
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: little bit better. But with Floyd having stepped away Man,

1033
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: he's going to beat a Keith Thurman. And if he

1034
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: doesn't Floyd Floyd next and he fights another top end welter. Wait,

1035
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: and let's say he wins that, we're almost to the

1036
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 3: idea historically where Okay, Floyd's fifty and oh is pretty

1037
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: damn bright and he did beat Manny but on a

1038
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: pound for pound level all time? Are we sleeping on

1039
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: the fact that many did rise up eight weight classes

1040
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: to do this And at forty.

1041
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: Years old, he's still beating elite guys.

1042
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: He's not beating Andre Berto O'Connor McGregor in tension Nasakawa,

1043
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: he's beating unbeaten Keith Thurman. So if you ran that

1044
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: back under the guys of what I just said, where, Okay,

1045
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: the first fight didn't deliver, delivered money, didn't deliver action,

1046
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: shoulder injury or not for Floyd, and for Manny. Floyd

1047
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: took him out of that and dissected him and won it.

1048
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: But is Manny better at forty and Floyd at Floydy two?

1049
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: Then they were at thirty six and thirty eight.

1050
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: That's an interesting proposition.

1051
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: He think Floyd beats Thurman.

1052
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know exactly where Floyd is

1053
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: at because of it act.

1054
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: Not upper limit Floyd, upper limit Floyd beats Thurman, but

1055
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: Floyd today.

1056
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: That's the whole question of why this rematch would be interesting.

1057
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: If Manny was washed right now, it wouldn't be that interesting.

1058
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: We'd still watch it, we'd still pay for it. Right

1059
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: now that Manny just showed you that he's.

1060
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: Still well, he's one of the best welterweights on the planet.

1061
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: Manny just showed you he might be the second or

1062
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: he's probably the second or third best. Yeah, because we

1063
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: don't know if he would beat Spencer or Crawford. We

1064
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: predicted that the other guys would win because they're younger

1065
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: and they're complete. But I really think in this one,

1066
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: you can sell the whole idea of the legacy is

1067
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: back the era.

1068
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: Whose era is it?

1069
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: Is? Back on the line who's better historically? If these

1070
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: two are the rivals of this era, I think you

1071
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: can put that back into play, and of course you

1072
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: can sell the well Manny was injured the first time around.

1073
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: He didn't take enough chances. Manny has his swagger back, okay,

1074
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: and this is important. After he got knocked out by

1075
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: Marquez in twenty twelve, the fights that followed, he didn't

1076
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: take chances.

1077
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: The decision wins over Brandon Rios. Those type of fights,

1078
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: he was.

1079
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: A lot more safe, used his speed state on the outside,

1080
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: darted in and out.

1081
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: You saw him take big shots from Keith Thurman.

1082
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Whenever he gets into a brawl and he bangs

1083
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: his gloves together, that's when you know he's like a

1084
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: little bit biting down on the mouthpiece kind of fight style,

1085
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: which got a couple times.

1086
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. The shoulder may have been injured.

1087
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: He did have surgery after.

1088
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm more of the subscription that Manny didn't go for

1089
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: it late against Floyd because he thought he might get stopped.

1090
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: Because Floyd was so accurate with those right hands at

1091
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: key points that he needed to that Floyd disciplined him.

1092
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: I wonder in a remamber, are.

1093
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: You selling a Floyd Manny two fight based on its

1094
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: boxing value?

1095
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1096
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm always going to be able to sell you fights

1097
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: on the hot on the gas station, hot dog.

1098
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 2: Value on that. We gotta try it in that regard.

1099
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: This one actually might be a real fight again, with

1100
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: real stakes, including one of the active walterweight titles.

1101
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: It just sounds so implausible given that they're forty and

1102
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: what forty two, But you might be right. Actually, this

1103
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: might be the time where they begin to even act,

1104
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: which is weird because people the big.

1105
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: The big thing that people are going to go to

1106
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 3: the grave about is, Okay, we saw Manny and Floyd.

1107
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: But if you're a Manny guy, and I'm not a

1108
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: Mandy guy, but if you're like a Manny guy, you're saying,

1109
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: too bad they didn't fight in twenty ten or twenty eleven.

1110
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: Manny was so explosive he could have done something.

1111
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: He was beating the Hatton's and the de la Hoyas being.

1112
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: In with one punch.

1113
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: But by the time they got to twenty fifteen, Floyd

1114
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: still had that gap right Floyd as an age thirty

1115
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: late thirties fighter was incredible.

1116
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: I wonder if that gap is.

1117
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Closed all right? Kind of interesting to note. So then

1118
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: we now look ahead, Brian Campbell. This upcoming weekend UFC

1119
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: two forty is is going to happen. It will be

1120
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: a lot of things, although the card itself the not

1121
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: deep at all, but the main event Max Holloway taken

1122
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: on Frankie Edgar. I spoke to Max this week. If

1123
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: you talked to yeah, I spoke to Max last week

1124
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: and it appeared to be in pretty good spirits about

1125
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I asked him about the damage he

1126
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: took against Paria, because if you go back to that

1127
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: night in Atlanta, it was Poarier, Holloway, Auta, Sonya, Gasolom.

1128
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Poarier arguably took more damage than the rest of them,

1129
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: though maybe not so much as Ottosianya and and Gaslam,

1130
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: but still comparable amounts. He's the first one back.

1131
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 2: It's kind of mellow.

1132
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Halloway is the first one back, and he's the first

1133
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: one back, and he's down now way class that he

1134
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: wasn't that once at the five amount and I was like,

1135
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: aren't you sell me on the concern there, and he

1136
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: just claims that he has really good recovery, and well,

1137
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: we know him.

1138
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Enough to know that there's zero concern in any situation.

1139
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, But the question is what that will

1140
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: mean competitively? A bit of a different one. I want

1141
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: to start here with this one. I was like, what

1142
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: is really the value in an Edgar win? Because Edgar?

1143
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: The controversy here, as you well know, was why is

1144
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: Edgar getting this title shot when meritocratically it's probably not

1145
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: the guy who should get it. And the answer was, hey, man,

1146
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Edgar's thirty seven, He's got some name value. He's available.

1147
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: There's lots of reasons why people get picked to get

1148
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: in title fights in MMA AR boxing, and one of

1149
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: which is who's around, who has a name? He has

1150
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: both of those, so they put him in there. The value,

1151
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: insofar as I can tell, is Max Holloway is looking

1152
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: to build a resume, and they all are, but he's

1153
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: really looking to say, not super manicured, but who are

1154
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: the biggest fish I can fry each time? The Ortega

1155
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: fight was valuable not because he had a super name,

1156
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: valuable because he was super hot as a prospect and

1157
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: he got shut out in the way that he did

1158
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: it really told us a lot. Beating Jose Aldo back

1159
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: to back, stopping him both times in the fourth minute

1160
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: of the third round told us a lot. I don't

1161
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: think beating Edgar at this stage while still a very

1162
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: capable talent. And by the way, you never know Edgar

1163
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: has surprised us. Everyone's like from New Jersey has watched

1164
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: it has been like, you're counting Edgar out, okay, but

1165
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: the reality is this is not thirty year old Edgar.

1166
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: This is thirty seven. Still he could win, you never know.

1167
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: But can we cut to the chase and what this

1168
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: fight really is.

1169
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: Can it's about Max Holloway adding a name to his

1170
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: resume that that truly would be that the scalp of

1171
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: all scalp, You're gonna do it, that the Aldo scalp

1172
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: is valuable. This scalp is him being able to cobble

1173
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: together the kind of thing to say, look at the

1174
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: who's who on here? Because if you gave him.

1175
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: Creative, you should actually write it. You should should be

1176
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 3: writing the program for CEOs.

1177
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: If they gave him who was the top for the way,

1178
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: if they gave him Josh emmittt if they gave him.

1179
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: He already lost.

1180
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: But okay, but do you know why they're not giving

1181
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: him wouldn't sell right, and they're giving you a thin

1182
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: card that they need two names that you know on

1183
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 3: top to seven.

1184
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean to tell me that if this fight was

1185
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: over and he beat Josh Emmett the same way and

1186
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: he beat Frankieggar the same way, I'm not disputing that

1187
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: the sales will be different. You need to tell me

1188
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: that the narrative after the fight would be the same.

1189
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: That is complete nonsense. It would absolutely be different, however

1190
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: much you don't buy into it. We know our media brethren,

1191
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: they're mostly dogs, they're they're nice guys too as well.

1192
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: They would they're going to tell the world this was

1193
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: beating a featherweight legend based a centerpiece.

1194
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not saying that Edgar's not legend. I'm not

1195
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: saying that. People will say that afterwards and it's wrong.

1196
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: It's not. But that's not what this fight is.

1197
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 3: This is a get we fight for Max Holloway, it is,

1198
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: and there are no get well fights in the UFC,

1199
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: and there certainly aren't any on the title level. But

1200
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: you know, I have had this debate when this fight

1201
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: first came out.

1202
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: This is a get jaundiced view of the world.

1203
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: And this is a get well fight because the UFC

1204
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: allowed Max to take a chance that, to be honest

1205
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: with you, wasn't necessary. That lightweight division is so stinkin deep,

1206
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: and they took that chance for marketing purposes. Maybe they

1207
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: thought he'd be healthier at that way. We learned at

1208
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: least to get some elite puncher like Pourier, that Max

1209
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 3: may not have the firepower to beat those very elites.

1210
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: I know he still says he wants another chance. If

1211
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: he trained his body and moved up and did the

1212
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: right way, maybe we'll see. What we learn from this

1213
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 3: is UFC looked at the landscape and said, what's kind

1214
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: of a soft, dish touch, but one that we can

1215
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: still spin, one that will move tickets. That's probably gonna

1216
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: be a thin card. We're going to Edmonton. We're not

1217
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: rolling out our own red carpet here. This is an

1218
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 3: in between pay.

1219
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: Per view, a classic in between pay per view.

1220
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: I think UFC found out in that Poorier fight that

1221
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: the Max one fifty five experiment may not be the

1222
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: best move. So let's polish him up at forty five.

1223
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: Again, Okay, I'm not It's not that I'm disputing those things,

1224
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: is true. I just don't think those are those things

1225
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: are principally what this is ultimately about. Yes, there's availability here,

1226
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: and Max was like, I just told the UCA I

1227
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: want to fight in a summer and they put me here.

1228
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: So he wants to stay in rotation. They're trying to

1229
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: find the names in rotation. But I guess I'm just

1230
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: trying to sort of understand you fundamentally don't believe that

1231
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: this qualitatively improves his his resume. Here's what I mean.

1232
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: You get to a certain point in your career where

1233
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: you lose, lose, lose, lose, lose. Let's use an extreme

1234
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: example like Bjpen. Beating Bjpen no longer has the same value.

1235
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: I think that's true. But even Ryan Hall got some

1236
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: value out of that. Now he submitted him, which was

1237
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: the twist there. But it takes a long time for

1238
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: you to lose such that the value in beating you

1239
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: has been diminished. He is coming off of a win.

1240
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: If you beat Frankie Edgar. Now, whether he deserves the

1241
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: title shoun or not.

1242
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: You're trying. You're asking me, is there does it do

1243
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: nothing to approve. Of course, because Frankie Edgar's not done.

1244
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: He's also not necessarily deserving of the titles.

1245
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: We sort of in the middle. It's an active enough

1246
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: name where it's a legendary name. Of course, it improves it.

1247
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, that's not the story here. That's not

1248
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: the narrative here. This is about Max getting his mojo back.

1249
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: This is about Max re establishing himself.

1250
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: Okay, that loss happened. I took a chance. That's over with.

1251
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: Let's get back down to business at forty five. I

1252
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 3: know I got some names that are kind of figuring

1253
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: it out.

1254
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: Who's next.

1255
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: In the meantime, let's tell if you tickets with Frankie,

1256
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: I'll look great doing it. I think the one thing

1257
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 3: we're not talking about here is what do we do

1258
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: with Frankie's leg See if he wins this fight?

1259
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I would say it transforms it.

1260
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you beat he transforms it by a lot, because.

1261
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: Is right, because he beat the guy that beat Aldo

1262
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: beat him twice second time you have see two hundred

1263
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: quite badly. Edgar stopped him, so sorry what I was saying,

1264
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: Holloway stopped him twice and then beat Ortega, the other

1265
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: guy that stopped Frankie Edgar, So to go back and

1266
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: beat that dude, it would show you that number one,

1267
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: we already know this, but Mma math is garbage. But

1268
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: also that Frankie Edgar, like we always kind of knew

1269
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: a I would be guilty in selling him short and

1270
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: all also on the right night, even at thirty seven

1271
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: years old, he's still capable enough of doing great things.

1272
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: It would also tell me, though that Max came back

1273
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: too quickly. I still have concerns, But.

1274
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: You agree there's a difference between being a legend, which

1275
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: Frankie is now and an all time great, which I

1276
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: think Frankie became a two division champion and beat a

1277
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: prime Max Hollow or a somewhat prime. If you're gonna

1278
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: then yeah, you're kind of an all time great now

1279
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: by default, right.

1280
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: I know.

1281
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: Look, if Holly Holm.

1282
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: Had beaten Derandom me, she would have been at two

1283
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 3: division champion too and didn't deserve that shot.

1284
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: So there are sort of qualifiers.

1285
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: But let's see if it's a lucky shot. And now

1286
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: if he goes in there and just audits him, then yeah,

1287
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: you have to you'd have to have that conversation all right,

1288
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: before we wrap things up here on Morning Combat Episode three,

1289
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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, any odds and ends from the week and

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Speaker 1: anything else you saw the seaside boxing side worth.

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Speaker 3: From boxing side, Let's talk about unbeaten lightweight prospect Heeo

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Speaker 3: Femo Lopez Junior or you woke to this guy top

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Speaker 3: rank on ESPN.

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Speaker 1: He has some swag.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got big time swag. He's got sort of

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Speaker 3: a John Jones I'm sorry Roy Jones ability. Excuse me,

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Speaker 3: ROYD Jones' ability in terms of he can get these

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Speaker 3: freakish spectacular knockouts by leaping in from the right angle.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's a swag.

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Speaker 3: His dad and his trainer in the corner is talking

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Speaker 3: about big things. So he had a title eliminator on

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Speaker 3: Friday night that would have maken him the mandatory for

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Speaker 3: Richard Kami for one of the lightweight belts, and had

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Speaker 3: he won that fight, they were talking about in Vasili

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Speaker 3: Lomachenko versus nineteen year old Teo Femo Lopez early next

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Speaker 3: year for all four lightweight belts. So we're talking about

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Speaker 3: a monster jump. Considering he says, I can only make

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Speaker 3: one thirty five for a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: My body's growing. He went out there on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Night, kind of pitched a kind of dropped an egg,

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Speaker 3: tried twelve rounds for a spectacular knockout, was unable to

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Speaker 3: get it, and it sort of brought you back down

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Speaker 3: to earth. He wins a decision basically ten rounds to two,

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Speaker 3: ten rounds to two, and nine rounds to three in

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Speaker 3: a fight that was basically a drawer or pick them.

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Speaker 2: So he got the good end of that one.

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Speaker 3: But we're slowing our role in the moment from the

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Speaker 3: idea of this nineteen year old was almost on like

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Speaker 3: a Fernando Vargas plane. Remember at age nineteen to twenty,

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Speaker 3: he's fighting Dale Hoy, he's fighting Trinidad and.

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Speaker 2: He got stopped by both. It's I think you're.

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Speaker 3: Slowing your role out the idea of Flomachenko Tao Femo.

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Speaker 3: But he's got swagger. It's all about to take over.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if he can bounce back. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: gonna still get the title shot against Comy, but he's

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Speaker 3: got to go in there looking to box. If I

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Speaker 3: can't slug and not spend twelve rounds trying to get

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Speaker 3: the highlight knockout.

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Speaker 1: Right interesting so I'm gonna go the other other way.

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Speaker 1: We mentioned her before in the broadcast for kel Penninsen

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Speaker 1: getting a absolutely critical win. Remember she had time off

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Speaker 1: before the fight with the Mandan Nunez where she had

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Speaker 1: this terrible accident. It reminded me no one ever commde

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Speaker 1: this comparison that I'm aware of, or maybe this someone didn't.

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Speaker 1: I just missed it, in which case I apologize. It

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Speaker 1: reminded me of Frank mir Frank Bier had that terrible

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Speaker 1: motorcycle accident and then when he came back and he

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Speaker 1: thought the Dan Christisen's of the world and whoever else

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Speaker 1: and paid upono. He didn't look like himself at all.

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Speaker 1: It was terrible fights. And so it was the Anthony

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Speaker 1: Hardock fight where he finally came back, and that's when

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Speaker 1: when he was like, this is me, this is me now.

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Speaker 1: She did not have that quite the triumphant moment in

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Speaker 1: that sense. But after losing to Amanda Nunez and then

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Speaker 1: not want to come out for her fifth round or

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Speaker 1: corners like get back out there, champ inadvisably, then she

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Speaker 1: goes against Jermaine de random Me. People were saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is her first fight. S as Amanda Nonas. They

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Speaker 1: forgot that fight even happened. But when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: you're like, wait a second. He had a terrible accident.

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Speaker 1: He lost to Amanda Nunas. Okay, and listened durand to me,

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Speaker 1: who's a good, great fighter. You come back, you get

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Speaker 1: this win at UFC san Antonio split decisions, skin of

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Speaker 1: her teeth, had to rally late to do it. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly my point, Brian Campbell. She rallied late. She showed

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Speaker 1: absolute grit and determination in that third round. This was

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Speaker 1: to me a must win scenario for her, and she did.

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Speaker 2: And Instagram seems to say that her and t Shatre

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Speaker 2: is around the outs. I don't know if you follow

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Speaker 2: MMA dating at all.

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Speaker 1: I assiduously avoided.

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Speaker 2: There's power couples in this world.

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Speaker 1: I ignore them. So the point being is, she did

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Speaker 1: everything she needed to.

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Speaker 2: She looked at it barely, barely, she looked she got

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Speaker 2: it done.

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Speaker 1: She got it done.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get away from san Antonio without

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Speaker 3: bringing up Gerald Harris officially though heavyweight title contenor.

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Speaker 1: No, you, Walt Harris.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Walt Harris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also Alexander Hernandez I did not think he won

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Speaker 1: that fight. I thought that it was close. I thought

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Speaker 1: massa rendouable one.

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Speaker 3: But Walt Harris, look, he had those sort of that

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Speaker 3: journeyman era of his career where it was trade wins

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Speaker 3: and losses to guys that he may or may not

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Speaker 3: have heard of, putting them away. I mean, there's this

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Speaker 3: word luke that the old scholars used to use, like

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Speaker 3: eighteenth century English evolvement.

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Speaker 1: This is what it turns out that actually is a word, bob.

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Speaker 2: This is well, obviously this is wal Harris's evolvement period

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Speaker 2: because you got to take him serious night.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well that is it for us. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to my friend. I will see you next Monday. Well

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Speaker 1: I'm not see later on this week.

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Speaker 2: So oh and by the way, Greg Hardy looking the

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Speaker 2: blood off his gloves, I could I could do without

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Speaker 2: that too him.

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Speaker 1: Look, man, he's gonna be here for a while, so

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Speaker 1: you have to figure out.

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Speaker 2: Way I get all my hot takes out there, all

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Speaker 2: on the table.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys watching as always. Subscribe to the channel,

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Speaker 1: By the way, people asking are their podcast links, We'll

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Speaker 1: We are live and in charge. So for Brian, I

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Speaker 1: am Luke. Until next time, by all of your games,

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Speaker 1: be loyal.