Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a production of My Heart Radio. It's
Speaker 1: one nine am on the Forest Moon of End, or
Speaker 1: if you're listening tonight call, Hello everybody, and welcome to
Speaker 1: Nightcall podcast for Strange Days and lonely nights. I'm Molly
Speaker 1: Lambert and with me as always are Tess Lynch and
Speaker 1: Emily Orshda. I had to train Molly phonetically to say
Speaker 1: the Forest Moon of Endor. Yeah, no, killed it, killed
Speaker 1: it on the first day. Thanks guys. It's always been
Speaker 1: bad at maps. That's why you don't watch Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: Why I don't want it like a fictional maps. They're
Speaker 1: actually maddeningly few maps in the Star Wars universe. It
Speaker 1: actually makes it really easy for them to bullshit and
Speaker 1: add new places all the time. Tonight, Tonight, tonight, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Well, first we'll talk about we
Speaker 1: did last night. Yeah, we had a live show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just me and Emily. Why my voice might be
Speaker 1: feeling a little rough right now. We led the crowd
Speaker 1: in Too Many Chance. Yes, yeah, it was great. We
Speaker 1: had our second annual nights Giving party at gold Diggers.
Speaker 1: We've had a bunch of fun every time we've done
Speaker 1: d day nights at gold Diggers if you are in
Speaker 1: the area. I was just proud we got to two
Speaker 1: of something that's a big deal, really great about it.
Speaker 1: But Emily couldn't make it last year, Tess couldn't make
Speaker 1: it this year, So by the law of threes, I'll
Speaker 1: have to you have to drop out some reason next year.
Speaker 1: But it was really fun. Our special guest was Amy Man.
Speaker 1: She shared a ghost story with us, which was so good.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think the thing that I like
Speaker 1: about our events and not to like plug our next
Speaker 1: event TVD, but that we tend to get like fun
Speaker 1: people on. But I like that we don't say who
Speaker 1: it is ahead of time. I mean, I mean that
Speaker 1: because then it's just like it kind of feels like
Speaker 1: a very special little fireside chat with whoever happens to.
Speaker 1: It's very intimate and we never prepare them particularly so
Speaker 1: they feel very vulnerable and we don't record it, so
Speaker 1: you have to be there, yeah for the happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she told some great, great g story. We should have
Speaker 1: her on the pod for real something. She was really funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So thank you to Amy. Yeah, thank you Amy, and
Speaker 1: thank you to everybody who came out and ate the
Speaker 1: pumpkin pies and listen to me and Emily play music.
Speaker 1: Not to sound like too much of a mom, but
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of lame that people didn't finish
Speaker 1: the pies. And next time, I think people need to
Speaker 1: try harder to eat us on the plate and finish
Speaker 1: your pie. I was actually kind of shocked. I mean,
Speaker 1: these were these are Traitor Joe's pumpkin pies, which are
Speaker 1: notably really amazing, pretty good and like shelf Stable, do
Speaker 1: you think that people are worried that we might like
Speaker 1: dose them or something? Talked about that during I knew, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it doesn't help. But like whenever we have a pie,
Speaker 1: Molly scratches a pentagram and to the top of it,
Speaker 1: so it's like Christine pie. I want to credit that
Speaker 1: idea to Amy Nicholson, who I went to a Halloween
Speaker 1: party hosted by her and her boyfriend Adam where there
Speaker 1: was a pentagram on a pizza drawn in Sri racha
Speaker 1: nice and that was what I was like, Oh, you
Speaker 1: can drop pagrams on anything, any round food any wouldn't
Speaker 1: that not taste great? To put saracha gay It's spicy
Speaker 1: and has garlic in it. It's not. I don't think
Speaker 1: it pairs. I like hot sauce on a pizza, I
Speaker 1: like a different kind of hot sauce on a pizza.
Speaker 1: I think that just doesn't. I don't think it goes.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. I'd still eat it anyway, because I
Speaker 1: do my job and eat my food. The food that's
Speaker 1: presented to you. What you get, you don't get upset. Um.
Speaker 1: So I don't have you guys watched The Mandalorian yet, know,
Speaker 1: but we have to talk about But we have to
Speaker 1: talk about Baby Yoda. Baby Yoda has taken this nation
Speaker 1: by storm, and I am happy to be caught up
Speaker 1: in it. I was saying that, like, what I love
Speaker 1: about this is like the Marvel versus you know, Scorsese film,
Speaker 1: Nerd discourse had reached this fever pitch and then it
Speaker 1: was like Verner Hertzog came in with the Lake postmodernist
Speaker 1: like sweet Baby Yoda. Yeah. I mean, if the show
Speaker 1: was actually just Verner Hertzog and Baby Yoda, it would
Speaker 1: be I think, unanimously critically adored. It's actually not that
Speaker 1: great of a show so far, there are only two
Speaker 1: episodes out, but I think that the degree to which
Speaker 1: it's like really leaned into feat your stuff and cute
Speaker 1: Baby Yoda. Also, just between this, I was, I tweeted this,
Speaker 1: but like between this and Detective Pikachu this year, cute
Speaker 1: tech like c g I. Cute Tech has gotten so
Speaker 1: good that I don't know where we go from here, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you make a thing that's cuter than them? Well?
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny because it's like, I obviously
Speaker 1: don't care about Star Wars lore, but just the idea
Speaker 1: that everybody was like criticizing Disney for being the Borg
Speaker 1: and then it was like, look, it's Yoda, but we
Speaker 1: made it small and everybody was like, ah, oh, look
Speaker 1: at it. It's small. It's just wild to me that,
Speaker 1: like it's their first ever Star Wars TV series, like
Speaker 1: counting the Christmas Special, that's not a series. I mean, well, well,
Speaker 1: the series does actually make the Christmas Special cannon because
Speaker 1: they mentioned Life Day in the first episode, which is
Speaker 1: the holiday that the Cookies are celebrating in the Christmas
Speaker 1: special um where they have a hologram of difference star ship. Wow,
Speaker 1: that sounds like something I enjoy. What's this? You guys
Speaker 1: haven't watched the Star Wars Christmas specials like famous among
Speaker 1: Star Wars nerds for being a thing they like pretended
Speaker 1: didn't happen because it's just the seventies variety show. It's
Speaker 1: not good Arthur in it. It is, yes, it is. No.
Speaker 1: This is what happens to every single person who hears
Speaker 1: about the Star Wars Christmas special. They're like Jefferson Starship
Speaker 1: like a story that's just Wookie is like b Arthur
Speaker 1: shows up. Uh, sounds great, sounds so fun and silly
Speaker 1: and like a very like great seventies time capsule. It
Speaker 1: is mostly unwatchable. Like it is, it is maddening to watch.
Speaker 1: But have you seen Star Wars? Well, that brings me
Speaker 1: to my favorite Star Wars movie, which I found out
Speaker 1: are not on Disney Plus yet. Emily and I were
Speaker 1: talking about wanting to do an episode about it, but
Speaker 1: I don't think we can until Disney Plus makes them available.
Speaker 1: The Ewalk Adventure, yeah, man, I haven't seen it in
Speaker 1: so long. Freaked me out so much as it freaked
Speaker 1: me out so much as a kid, and therefore it
Speaker 1: was the best. Um Well, I feel like Mandalorian is
Speaker 1: a encouraging sign that Disney is willing to embrace the dorky,
Speaker 1: kind of weird side of Star Wars. It's like you
Speaker 1: Walk Adventures TV movies. Yes they're TV, or no, they're
Speaker 1: straight to video. That's what they were. They're straight to video.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like the fact that I mean, the Mandalorian
Speaker 1: is basically so far just lone Wolf and Cub but
Speaker 1: with baby Yoda like lone Wolf and Baby Yoda. Um
Speaker 1: does Baby Yoda talk like Yoda? Or is it too
Speaker 1: too baby baby doing? All it does is go, It
Speaker 1: makes actual baby noises, it has like human baby noises.
Speaker 1: And then it's like spoilers. It uses the force in
Speaker 1: the last episode and it puts out its little hand.
Speaker 1: And the thing about like Yoda is so much cuter
Speaker 1: than ET. Yes, you know if ET looked like Yoda,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have such a problem with each would with
Speaker 1: e T like flesh colored, it looks like a ball sack.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna stand up for ET here
Speaker 1: and just say that on different planets we shouldn't project
Speaker 1: our beauty standards onto extraterrestrials. It's unfair. Also, there's do
Speaker 1: you think that e T on his home planet if
Speaker 1: there's just different barometric pressure on it and maybe he's
Speaker 1: not wrinkly on his planet, like he becomes more like full,
Speaker 1: he's got for his collagen is restored. What would he
Speaker 1: look what would a kind of well hydrated et because
Speaker 1: he was he was sick. That's the other thing is
Speaker 1: he was very sick on Earth, you know, very sick.
Speaker 1: So I don't think so tried out dehydrate. I mean,
Speaker 1: like whatever was water on his planet he was. You
Speaker 1: know what if it's the same species is Yoda, because
Speaker 1: we don't know what Yoda is. We were just saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody knows what Yoda is. Yoda is Yoda's species according
Speaker 1: to Wikipedia. I don't think Yoda as an adult is
Speaker 1: very attractive, but I do. I mean, obviously I love
Speaker 1: baby Yoda, but I wouldn't say, like, you know, Yoda
Speaker 1: is not winning any beauty pageants either. It's also confusing
Speaker 1: to me because I feel like they tried to market
Speaker 1: the porks is like the cute return to cute Star
Speaker 1: Wars creatures, and like it didn't catch on in the
Speaker 1: same way. All they had to do was make it
Speaker 1: a character that already exists in the universe, and everybody's like,
Speaker 1: it's baby Yoda, but his baby I've seen some pork backpacks.
Speaker 1: I think porks have found their way into I think
Speaker 1: the problem is that they're called porks porties of the
Speaker 1: new walks. People. People who love porks love them the most.
Speaker 1: At some point, I'm gonna be on this podcast talking
Speaker 1: about Return of the Jedi and and and vehemently defending
Speaker 1: the e walks. So, um, yeah, we're very pro e
Speaker 1: walk on this PODCT. Yeah. I mean, I'm I consider
Speaker 1: myself a serious Star Wars fan or whatever, but like
Speaker 1: that includes e walks. That's not like oh, but except
Speaker 1: the e walks. Like no, that is why Star Wars
Speaker 1: is good, because there's a planet full of teddy bears.
Speaker 1: That is why Disney Plus Night All commands you. We
Speaker 1: compel you, compel you, The power compels you, compels you
Speaker 1: to put the Ewok Adventure movie on Disney Plus for
Speaker 1: old millennials, for whom that is the touchstone of Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Just bring back more like non market tested children's fair
Speaker 1: that makes makes kids cry. Have you seen it, Tess Ever,
Speaker 1: I've I've always been really uninterested in Star Wars, and
Speaker 1: I've kept it a secret except on podcasts that we
Speaker 1: do were every so often I tell you, guys, but
Speaker 1: then you refuse to let it sink. As a person
Speaker 1: who doesn't like Star Wars, I feel like it's like
Speaker 1: if you like other eighties dark fantasy, puppet heavy movies.
Speaker 1: Well you know, I don't actually like love puppet heavy
Speaker 1: movies in general, but I do make some exceptions, which
Speaker 1: is why we're going to force you to watch Labyrinth. Yes,
Speaker 1: Labyrinth Puppet Puppet, December Puppet December Fantasy puppet Eighties, like
Speaker 1: pre c g I I've like dabbled in some star
Speaker 1: I know that my time is coming for a full
Speaker 1: deep dive into Star Wars because my kids are older
Speaker 1: now and are more kind of like into that book.
Speaker 1: I want to go to the Star Wars land. Emily
Speaker 1: and I went to the Star Wars bar in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: so jealous of this. It was the greatest Hollywood experience
Speaker 1: because we were the only people in it and our
Speaker 1: bartender was Harley Quinn. It's a very jumbled It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, in the exterior it is a Star Wars bar,
Speaker 1: it's called scumm and Villany Cantina, But inside and on
Speaker 1: the menu it is just like a jumbled It's like
Speaker 1: a comic compar it's the job of the French. But
Speaker 1: then there's like a drink called Karis, Like it's like
Speaker 1: if thrown stuff. They've got marvel stec. It's just a
Speaker 1: fandom theme. But it was like but we were the
Speaker 1: only people, and which made it really interesting. And Harley
Speaker 1: Quinn was like, what do you want, honey. I wish
Speaker 1: she would have done it an impression. I don't remember
Speaker 1: wearing like a full on great Harley. It was impressive.
Speaker 1: I hope she gets really good tips too. Um. But
Speaker 1: it was also great because it felt like what you
Speaker 1: imagine the Star Wars Cantina would really be like. Because
Speaker 1: people were like, is that the one in Disneyland and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, it's the one on Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 1: So it is like a meeting point between the worlds.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's like tourists and weird nerds like us.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break real quick and we'll
Speaker 1: be back in just a moment. Welcome back tonight. Call guys.
Speaker 1: Did you see the rollout of the cybertruck? Oh? It
Speaker 1: was so funny. I had to piece it together because
Speaker 1: I just saw everybody tweeting pictures of it and I
Speaker 1: was like, what was this a movie? Like, what's what
Speaker 1: is this? The movie is robocon Yeah, no serious. The car,
Speaker 1: it is a car that Elon Musk and Tesla unveil
Speaker 1: old at the It's like a pickup truck. It's supposedly
Speaker 1: a pickup truck, but it looks like if RoboCop was
Speaker 1: a car. Yes, yeah, Tess, would you like to give
Speaker 1: us the cliff notes? Yes? So the Guardian this is
Speaker 1: from the Guardian. Um they quote Musk is saying we
Speaker 1: created an exo skeleton. He said, to rapturous whoops from
Speaker 1: those attending the l A line. It is literally bulletproof
Speaker 1: to a nine millimeter handgun. France von Holshausen, Tesla's chief designer,
Speaker 1: asked Musk if he could lob a metal ball at
Speaker 1: the window of the vehicle. Really, said Musk. The window smashed.
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, said Musk. Maybe that was a
Speaker 1: little hard, showing confidence in the vehicle. Von Holtthhausen then
Speaker 1: suggested he should love it at a second window. Try
Speaker 1: that one, really, asked Musk, moments before the rear window
Speaker 1: was also smashed. It didn't go through, though, that's the
Speaker 1: plus side. A stunned Musk said, guys, yike, guys, yikes. Um.
Speaker 1: My favorite reaction to this was from Max Read. And
Speaker 1: this is also before I knew it was going on.
Speaker 1: So I just saw the picture of this. It looks
Speaker 1: like a low rez computer generated car because it's just
Speaker 1: it's like a polygon um and it has the two
Speaker 1: like smashed windows in it. And he said, not for nothing,
Speaker 1: but the smashed windows actually complete the whole driving my
Speaker 1: luxury armored command unit through the violent slumps to Elysium
Speaker 1: transfer station for my off world vacation. Yum, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the vibe. That's the vibe. What's really weird is to
Speaker 1: present this car and like seemingly Musk if he didn't
Speaker 1: plan to have that happen, It's like, what did he
Speaker 1: plan to demonstrate? So it just seems like such a
Speaker 1: stupid error, you know. I mean, it's also stupid to
Speaker 1: strow a bunch of car. Thing is so dumb. The
Speaker 1: font that they put Cybertruck in was like just the
Speaker 1: funniest bad funt. The whole thing was like self parodic
Speaker 1: to the extreme. And then on Jack Am Today Kate
Speaker 1: and Kate was saying that it was all like Magic's
Speaker 1: Biggest Secrets revealed Yes it was the fib She made
Speaker 1: a video where she cut it together with magic space,
Speaker 1: like she's like the masked magician, right, it's like Piro
Speaker 1: And like even the fans and the audience were like,
Speaker 1: huh yeah, I mean I really I like electric cars.
Speaker 1: It's Tesla is just so it's hard, guys. It sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks, I have whatever. I've made this argument many
Speaker 1: many times. I like, I'm not as mad at a
Speaker 1: Tesla on the road as I am at any other
Speaker 1: luxury car. And I'm not against electric car being like
Speaker 1: a status symbol for people who have money. Like sure,
Speaker 1: Like status symbols are gross. It's part of the culture
Speaker 1: that we live in. But if it's for an electric car, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: Like here's what I'm going to say, those people are
Speaker 1: the worst drivers. Well, that is also true is that
Speaker 1: they have replaced the other luxury car drivers as the
Speaker 1: worst drivers. Tesla drivers do tend to be bad drivers,
Speaker 1: but there are also so many of them that it's
Speaker 1: hard to even say. But it comes with like this
Speaker 1: narcissistic self confidence that's possible you rule the road. I
Speaker 1: like the idea of a leaf Nissan sponsor night cough
Speaker 1: Nissan sponsor. I have a hybrid that I really like,
Speaker 1: but it's ten years old and it's starting to be creaky.
Speaker 1: And Nissan give us the electric vehicles. Yeah, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: pro electric vehicle, but also like it shouldn't be for
Speaker 1: rich people. Wasn't that the whole thing that it was
Speaker 1: going to be like a cheap model of the Tesla
Speaker 1: eventually and then it didn't really ever happen. It's cheaper.
Speaker 1: I mean there's different tiers, but none of them are affordable.
Speaker 1: But also for the no no, the Tesla UM yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there are other electric cars. It's just like,
Speaker 1: do you need that name brand to be your thing?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was looking at this because I
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about stocks, but I was like
Speaker 1: looking at the whole Tesla or the Tesla. What's it
Speaker 1: called cyber cyber truck. Cyber truck cyber the tongue doesn't
Speaker 1: it on? Um Grimes came up with that name. But
Speaker 1: I was like, that feels like the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that you could watch in real time, like watch stock,
Speaker 1: just like it like bumps down and then the second
Speaker 1: baseball is loved at a rock or whatever, and I
Speaker 1: just see a little bit of action, but I don't
Speaker 1: also know how to I don't know anything about stocks,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to close this tabu. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get I mean they're saying it
Speaker 1: like like Max, You're just saying it looks like you
Speaker 1: can see the graffiti sprayed on it in the mad
Speaker 1: Max world, right. Yeah. The thing is that, like I
Speaker 1: I don't know in what form like somebody who's going
Speaker 1: to actually make innovations that lead us to greener transportation
Speaker 1: and transit, Like what form that comes in right now?
Speaker 1: Like it has to be public. I mean that that
Speaker 1: I have no idea like in what like in our
Speaker 1: current reality, how that happens. Because it's just like I
Speaker 1: can't just be at the whims insane billions. I know,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's just like it's like, why
Speaker 1: is this only happening in this private Why is the bulletproof?
Speaker 1: Like who needs that? It's just to be really cool? Well,
Speaker 1: also because this truck is hard. Jenny Faberman was saying
Speaker 1: on the Twitter that it's like the car for the
Speaker 1: creepy tech bros who are like it's time to start
Speaker 1: carrying guns in San Francisco, you know, protect ourselves and
Speaker 1: Dotham like it's a fortified car for like the water Wars,
Speaker 1: like it's super creepy. Like my cousin is um she
Speaker 1: just started go fund me for a company that would
Speaker 1: take if you have like a non hybrid, non electric vehicle,
Speaker 1: you give it to them and they give you an
Speaker 1: electric vehicle, like an inexpensive electric vehicle. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that sounds great, But then I also was like, what
Speaker 1: do they do with the car that they like? They
Speaker 1: then you just have like this giant piece of waste.
Speaker 1: So maybe the thing is I think that there are
Speaker 1: companies that are retrofitting, like they take old cars and
Speaker 1: kind of like retrofit them to be electric. Do you
Speaker 1: guys want a car to look like? I mean, I
Speaker 1: love eighties Mercedes. You like the boxing Mercedes boxing taking
Speaker 1: out the like the hope, like none of us should
Speaker 1: have cars, but if you have to have one, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll have them. Though. I mean, so there's this car
Speaker 1: that parks um like near my house and it has
Speaker 1: a vanity. I think I may have talked to you
Speaker 1: guys about this car. It's its name is Surfing Mountain
Speaker 1: because it's license plate is Surfing Mountain and it's a
Speaker 1: sea foam green Bronco. And if there were a way
Speaker 1: to make that an electric car, that might be my favorite.
Speaker 1: But I also really liked the eighties Volvo station. You
Speaker 1: guys all like a box frame. I kind of take
Speaker 1: boxy car, and I just like the new Like the
Speaker 1: new Toyota camera, for instance, looks like a matchbox car.
Speaker 1: Like it's too streamlined and it looks kind of like
Speaker 1: just plastic e to me. So I like fins really.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know that you You do have like
Speaker 1: a car fetish on your listagrams time, like a sixties
Speaker 1: seventies carre. I just don't feel like they're that practical.
Speaker 1: That's why this is in the world where we can
Speaker 1: have any car, Okay, because the Bronco, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: could dry if that were not like if it were
Speaker 1: a green Bronco, a c foam green Bronco, Like I
Speaker 1: could live my life with that car. I'd have a
Speaker 1: lot of fun in that car. It looks so cute
Speaker 1: in that car. I have a question for you, if
Speaker 1: you could have that car like your dream sixties like
Speaker 1: flashy car with fins and it had an electric engine,
Speaker 1: but it was a Tesla engine. Would you take that car?
Speaker 1: Good question? No? Really otherwise not at all, not at
Speaker 1: all identifiable as a no, because it would catch on fire.
Speaker 1: Molly really distrusted that. I really distrusted the products from
Speaker 1: that company. And also I had a friend who bought
Speaker 1: a really great car, my friend John, who fend too,
Speaker 1: but an amazing throwback car when we first moved to
Speaker 1: l a and it became such a pain in the
Speaker 1: ask for him, so that I was like, oh, the
Speaker 1: reality of your fantasy car. Oh, you mean like a
Speaker 1: like an old car, Yeah, like a low rider. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, no, I couldn't drive it anywhere.
Speaker 1: Peter had an eighties Mercedes that was great, but it
Speaker 1: was diesel and that sucked. And then eventually it was
Speaker 1: so expensive to maintain that it was like and you
Speaker 1: never got it transferred to the French fry oil. He tried.
Speaker 1: I think it was like one of those things where
Speaker 1: you bringing in there like we could do it if
Speaker 1: you did this, this, this, this, and he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I could be a tiny car person.
Speaker 1: But I'm very disappointed that Toyota is not adhering to
Speaker 1: the California guidelines and they're going to the federal guidelines,
Speaker 1: the Mission guidelines. I was like shocking to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at us talking about cars for so long. Car
Speaker 1: Talk is one of the biggest podcast inspiration. I love
Speaker 1: car talk. I love car talk. Everybody just secretly wishes
Speaker 1: that they hosted car talk. Yeah, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Those guys know a trade and they get to talk
Speaker 1: about it on a radio shop. It's very one and
Speaker 1: they have a good rapport like all podcasts. Shit, um, Molly,
Speaker 1: you speaking of driving around l A. You drove around
Speaker 1: and ended up going up Beechwood to a little place
Speaker 1: called the Minimus pronounce it crow Tona Toona, And then
Speaker 1: Emily said she had also just driven pastor it's like
Speaker 1: up from one oh one, and that is where I
Speaker 1: was going driving around. Yeah. It was a former Theosophist
Speaker 1: retreat in what the early like the twenties, I think
Speaker 1: earlier than that. Yeah, yeah, um, and now it's an
Speaker 1: apartment complex, but I guess they have rehabbed it and
Speaker 1: there are some like I don't I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much of the original structure or like
Speaker 1: interiors are the same. So yeah, it was built on
Speaker 1: I think ten acres of the former Charles Hastings ranch
Speaker 1: up there, and it was this this guy who got
Speaker 1: really into theosophy. It was him and a bunch of
Speaker 1: his like kind of wealthy like you know, dreamy wealthy people,
Speaker 1: and he wanted it to be the next Garden of
Speaker 1: Eden where people could get into like kind of diet,
Speaker 1: occult stuff and meditation. So um. They hired a bunch
Speaker 1: of really famous architects and they built this like it
Speaker 1: had the Katona in which is now an apartment building,
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of meeting halls and kind of
Speaker 1: like meditation spaces and I think one of them was
Speaker 1: um profiled in Architectural Digest. This couple was renting one
Speaker 1: of the buildings that had been turned into an apartment.
Speaker 1: It was like a studio apartment with a domed ceiling
Speaker 1: with like a star cutout. Was so cool, very very impractical,
Speaker 1: but very cool. Um, but it's super beautiful. They had
Speaker 1: like a Koi pond, and I guess the Theosophus eventually
Speaker 1: moved Kreatona to Ohi because Ohi is also like very
Speaker 1: haunted and yeah, and the building there is also very cool.
Speaker 1: It's just in a very different style like Krytona Modernist building.
Speaker 1: It's like this building that has like two arms that
Speaker 1: wrap around and like the buildings very neat like World's Fair. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like a totally when like Moorish was everybody wanted,
Speaker 1: which there are so many cool I feel like I've
Speaker 1: seen not just in l A, but like like in
Speaker 1: Portugal and stuff. They're like these revival like Moorish kind.
Speaker 1: They're just like fantageous of like what people imagine like
Speaker 1: the East be like it's like problematic of course, but
Speaker 1: some of these buildings are so incredible to those two
Speaker 1: an I was going to say, it's very the architecture
Speaker 1: is very rare. That person did design a World's Fair. Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess that was influential. The brand park was influential
Speaker 1: on other people building like fake Moorish. It's very pretty. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: we got a tip from Instagram account takes on Set,
Speaker 1: who is a real turn Rob deals in a lot
Speaker 1: of like amazing l A houses. Historic Houses sent me
Speaker 1: some info about the Krytona comp lex, saying that that
Speaker 1: property is just one of many that are all connected
Speaker 1: in that area and that we're all originally part of
Speaker 1: the Krytona because it was on ten Acas Settlement Um.
Speaker 1: One of them is now owned by Joanna knew so
Speaker 1: many Andy Samberg. I knew that they lived in one
Speaker 1: of the um and have you seen pictures of there
Speaker 1: when they whenever they moved into their house, there were photos, pictures,
Speaker 1: And now I know that it's like a former like esoteric,
Speaker 1: an insane house, Like it's gorgeous, it's also like I
Speaker 1: can't imagine living there um. And then the the ones
Speaker 1: that are rented out. I guess a woman rents them
Speaker 1: out now. And one was designed by Richard Neutra. I
Speaker 1: wonder which one. But yeah, I mean I looked a
Speaker 1: little bit more into the history of Krytona and I
Speaker 1: guess it was sort of an amalgam of world religions.
Speaker 1: And there was a guy named Krishna Murty who they
Speaker 1: wanted to be the leader of it, and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have a leader. But I think there are
Speaker 1: some times between theosophy and scientology. Oh really, at least
Speaker 1: as like an inspiration for scientology, that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like they were all dabbling in that, all
Speaker 1: the all the folks and the Jack Parson circle. But
Speaker 1: these guys did not drink or smoke, and most of
Speaker 1: them were vegetarian and that was like and also you
Speaker 1: could have your They did like a lot of aura readings,
Speaker 1: but it was like only if you're a really experienced
Speaker 1: and you know what you're doing with that aura, but
Speaker 1: we read it. Yeah, it was a lot of like
Speaker 1: they would host these sort of open um like forums
Speaker 1: and stuff and and and lectures and everything about all
Speaker 1: their or reading other other supernatural studies. I suppose, um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that esoteric stuff like right between
Speaker 1: kind of like silver Lake and beech Wood, because there's
Speaker 1: also I don't know what it's like a similar kind
Speaker 1: of like religion ish thing that's um, I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name of it, but it is on loose feel
Speaker 1: as both of our like kind of self realization, the
Speaker 1: self realization fellowship. There's a lot of those things going
Speaker 1: on in that area. Yeah, as always, LA continues to
Speaker 1: be a fertile ground for experimental religion. I still want
Speaker 1: to go to the Four Square Heritage Museum. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: I also then went to the Philosophical Research Society, not
Speaker 1: like purposely, I just like drove past it and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: another weird place. I should check it out. I've never
Speaker 1: been in. Um. I didn't know that it was related
Speaker 1: to other theosophy stuff. But it's also manly. P Hall
Speaker 1: founded it. Who's another weird person. We should do more
Speaker 1: pods about. That's a funny name. It's a super funny name.
Speaker 1: And then um, like it was he was like like
Speaker 1: how to win friends and influence people kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, self improvement, weird esoteric new ag stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but apparently Reagan was really into him him. Really, huh
Speaker 1: did he he predated Reagan though he was, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: teaching like Reagan read all his teachings and was very
Speaker 1: influenced by them. Interesting. Well, if you have a favorite
Speaker 1: hidden experimental religion or esoteric facility in your town, let
Speaker 1: us know about it. Give us a night call at
Speaker 1: one for six night or a night email at Night
Speaker 1: Call podcast at gmail dot com. We're going to take
Speaker 1: another break. We'll be right back to talk about this
Speaker 1: week's movie. Welcome back to night Call. Um. I made
Speaker 1: Test and Emily consume another really long thing after a
Speaker 1: gigantic book. I said, hey, please watch a four hour movie.
Speaker 1: That movie is Warren Batties Reds three hours and fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes long. Yeah, it's not four hours. It's three hours
Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes, but it feels like four. Look, you
Speaker 1: can't tell anyone how long it is before you have
Speaker 1: them watch it. I warned you it moves though. Having
Speaker 1: just watched another three plus hour movie, I had a
Speaker 1: very different experience watching this. Wait which other three hour movie?
Speaker 1: Did you watch The Irish Man? Oh right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought that was so long. I think I should be
Speaker 1: illegal Irish. Um. Yeah, no, I I had never seen it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even really know what it was about. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew it was about like American communist, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know what time period. I assumed it was like
Speaker 1: in the fifties. Um, but I did not know that
Speaker 1: it was World War One era. So I mean I
Speaker 1: thought it. I thought it moved Warren Baty direct. It
Speaker 1: was like his passion project for so many years, and um,
Speaker 1: it was insanely expensive. I think it took like a
Speaker 1: year to shoot. Yeah. They thought it was going to
Speaker 1: take like sixteen weeks and took a year. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't know when you go to Russia, I thought
Speaker 1: I was going to take Yeah, they didn't shoot in
Speaker 1: Russia though I think they shot him Finland, I believe.
Speaker 1: And so he produced, co wrote, and start in this movie.
Speaker 1: He was very passionate about it. Um test, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about Well? I don't I okay, I didn't like.
Speaker 1: I didn't really hate hate to hate it. But I
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be difficult because I was
Speaker 1: talking with my parents, for whom I think they would
Speaker 1: be like Reds intended like very enthusiastic audience, you know,
Speaker 1: because they're like lefties from you know, who lived in
Speaker 1: New York and our theater nerds and like it. Just
Speaker 1: they love Diane Keith. Like everything lined up and I
Speaker 1: was like, we have to watch Reds for the podcast,
Speaker 1: and they were like the whole thing, and I was
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's we have to watch the
Speaker 1: movie the movie rights and they were like, oh, you'll
Speaker 1: never get through it, and they were right, but I
Speaker 1: made it almost all the way through. But they were
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, it's like it is a
Speaker 1: really long movie. I recommend breaking it up over two days.
Speaker 1: I don't see how you possibly could, though, Like where
Speaker 1: is the remission? There's an intermission? It just doesn't It's
Speaker 1: like you just want to At that point, you're like,
Speaker 1: I can push through. I watched the whole thing in
Speaker 1: one city, and except for the last like fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: that's what I did. But then I didn't come back
Speaker 1: because I was like, I know what happens. I can
Speaker 1: see the writing on the wall. You know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem well he did. It made me realize that I like,
Speaker 1: it's it's very few and far between you see a
Speaker 1: story that is like centrally a love story, like an
Speaker 1: adult uh. And I'm not talking about like the the
Speaker 1: erotic fillers and stuff that we watched where it's like
Speaker 1: it's a big, sweeping drama, but it's like mostly about
Speaker 1: like people like who are in love with each other
Speaker 1: and trying to negotiate that. That feels actually kind of
Speaker 1: anti created at this time right now. Um, And that
Speaker 1: was sort of well, it's like he knew no one
Speaker 1: would care about the movie, or he would have he
Speaker 1: would have a Really it's hard to find an entry
Speaker 1: point unless it becomes kind of a romantic drama. My
Speaker 1: issue with it is I found everybody so unlikable and
Speaker 1: the only time I really enjoyed them was when they
Speaker 1: were all dressed up in bear costumes and stuff doing
Speaker 1: Eugene O'Neil's play. And where was that Provincetown or something? Um,
Speaker 1: it looked like Cape Cod. I think it's Province Town,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. And they were all hold up
Speaker 1: and all of these people who just like wouldn't stop
Speaker 1: talking over each other, and then they're putting on a
Speaker 1: play and Warren Badies like wearing a bear costume, drinking
Speaker 1: like so drinking who knows what, and you know, and
Speaker 1: it was also I really appreciated Jack Nicholson's commitment to
Speaker 1: making his face like very slack um for the role
Speaker 1: of Eugene O'Neil. But I was telling Molly and Emily
Speaker 1: outside that I was like very surprised, So I guess
Speaker 1: he really wanted Jack Nicholson for this role. But they
Speaker 1: also considered James Taylor and Sam Shepherd, who look much
Speaker 1: more like Eugene O'Neill, and I guess Nicholson was so
Speaker 1: much older than O'Neill was supposed to be, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure Beatty was much older than John Ligow to play.
Speaker 1: But then he was like, I have to do it myself,
Speaker 1: I know, but he John red Jack read Jack is
Speaker 1: his given name in the film, but he died when
Speaker 1: he was thirty three, and we actually like go back
Speaker 1: and just explain what this movie is for people who
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. It's a three hour it's
Speaker 1: been established about um, some people in the American Communist gang. Okay,
Speaker 1: they were part of the Socialist Party UH in the
Speaker 1: States and then like become involved in global communist politics
Speaker 1: at the time that Russias, like the bullshe Communists in
Speaker 1: America around the time of the Bolshevik Revolution. Well, and
Speaker 1: it's obviously based on real people Jack Reads, based on
Speaker 1: Jack read about Ten Days That Shook the World. He
Speaker 1: was the only American journalist in Russia at the time.
Speaker 1: And Diane Keaton plays Louise Bryant, who was a writer,
Speaker 1: feminist person of interest who had lots and lots of
Speaker 1: affairs and had a bunch of horrible diseases later that
Speaker 1: are not covered in this movie, but that I researched
Speaker 1: deeply sexual disease. No, it's like there's she suffered from something.
Speaker 1: So she was apparently never a big drinker, which is
Speaker 1: kind of lines up with what happens in the movie
Speaker 1: where she's usually like pouring other people drinks. At one point,
Speaker 1: someone's like, oh, you're not drinking your beard, Like do
Speaker 1: you want wine? She was like no, but they don't
Speaker 1: really go into it. But she had a period of
Speaker 1: like very intense alcoholism after she married her second husband,
Speaker 1: because she got this disease that is it just sounds
Speaker 1: like the worst thing ever. And I spent a long
Speaker 1: time looking at Wikipedia. She found love again, she knows
Speaker 1: apparently a really really bad I mean basically what happened
Speaker 1: is so she married this really wealthy guy whose last
Speaker 1: name was bullet Um, and she got a terrible disease
Speaker 1: that affects adipo tissues, so you just get like huge
Speaker 1: fat deposits. It's bad. So then she became an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: She also had a daughter, and I think they adopted
Speaker 1: another child, but because of her alcoholism, she lost custody
Speaker 1: of the kids. He got custody of the kids, and
Speaker 1: her daughter, Anne bullet became then a horse breeder, socialite
Speaker 1: and model. Very interestingly to me, she passed away. Um.
Speaker 1: I went on a deep Wikipedia dive. This was like
Speaker 1: around the time when I was like I cannot look
Speaker 1: at the screen for being like, it's just really like
Speaker 1: the historically inaccurate and you know it's historic. Just wanted
Speaker 1: to deposits. I just felt as though it was it
Speaker 1: was a very romanticized things that I didn't find to
Speaker 1: be romantic. And I was frustrated knowing that she was
Speaker 1: never recognized as a good writer, because I wanted her
Speaker 1: to be a good writer. I mean, that's part of
Speaker 1: the crux of the movie is that she really wants
Speaker 1: to be this like ambitious writer, but that she's never
Speaker 1: actually writing anything, and she keeps being like, I can't
Speaker 1: work because there's all these people in your house all
Speaker 1: the time. Uh, And so she never gets it done.
Speaker 1: And when people ask what she writes about, she goes
Speaker 1: nothing and everything it's very vague. So then you kind
Speaker 1: of want, like I was nursing this hope that she
Speaker 1: would kind of like really come into her own and
Speaker 1: be really like a child in the movie, well only
Speaker 1: a little bit. There's only one thing she's known for. No.
Speaker 1: But then she like goes with him to Europe and
Speaker 1: she like finds like like he finally respects her because
Speaker 1: she stops writing about dumb bullshit. But isn't it super
Speaker 1: boring in a way to think of don't you wish
Speaker 1: that it could have been tweaked that she was actually
Speaker 1: so much more talented than any of these men who
Speaker 1: were always it was about it was about how like
Speaker 1: women get marginalized in movements that are supposed to be
Speaker 1: like avant garde always, and it was about to me,
Speaker 1: it's about the nineteen teen z's through the lens of
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties as this like old experiment and idealism.
Speaker 1: But then it also it's like I just felt like
Speaker 1: now to me, I was like, these are all the
Speaker 1: same things people still argue about, and it's about just
Speaker 1: sort of like the way that like human flaws get
Speaker 1: in the way of your big ideals. I feel like
Speaker 1: less than the issue of whether or not she ends
Speaker 1: up being like a great writer or like goes down
Speaker 1: in history as a great writer. I think one thing
Speaker 1: that contrasts her um with Jack Read or John reid
Speaker 1: Um is that she actually sticks to journalism and sticks
Speaker 1: to writing, and he gets so caught up and like
Speaker 1: actually trying to be a politician, which is like the
Speaker 1: whole kind of last third of the movie is he's
Speaker 1: also writing poetry because everyone knows is bad, right, not
Speaker 1: a strong sits so hot that everyone's afraid to tell him.
Speaker 1: But I think, like, but I think that that's really interesting,
Speaker 1: is like, and I think, you know, it's obviously very
Speaker 1: instructive that it's the man who's the person who gets
Speaker 1: pulled into actually being a political figure and like being
Speaker 1: the figurehead of this movement as opposed to having what's
Speaker 1: ultimately kind of the humility to be just the like
Speaker 1: document or of it and to you know, take all
Speaker 1: of it in and to be the person who's out
Speaker 1: there and the trenches reporting, which she sticks to. And
Speaker 1: you know, they keep kind of running into each other
Speaker 1: in Russia and sort of like having dramatic meetings, and
Speaker 1: it's always it always has this tone of like she's
Speaker 1: sticking to the thing that she said she wanted to
Speaker 1: do um, which I thought was really interesting. She's like
Speaker 1: trying to prove to him always that she's like a
Speaker 1: serious person or like as serious as he is, because
Speaker 1: it's like everybody automatically treats him like the smart one.
Speaker 1: But the movie doesn't. The movies like they're equals, and
Speaker 1: this movie is about two people that are intellectual equals
Speaker 1: trying to like navigate the world. But there's so much
Speaker 1: hypocrisy in those characters. I mean, he's a socialist, right
Speaker 1: has a sign on his door that said, um, property
Speaker 1: is theft, come in. But his parents are extremely wealthy
Speaker 1: and presumably he's asked at one point who's paying your rent?
Speaker 1: Or how are paying your rent? And it's presumably his
Speaker 1: parents are paying his rent. Apparently, Um, the real Jack
Speaker 1: Read grew up tremendously wealthy in a mansion, and his
Speaker 1: parents really wanted him to go to Harvard because his
Speaker 1: dad was like this industrial you know, success, but had
Speaker 1: never graduated from college, and they made him keep applying
Speaker 1: to Harvard. And then he got into a second try
Speaker 1: and ended up writing for the Lampoon or maybe he
Speaker 1: was the editor, and he led a very very privileged life. Then.
Speaker 1: I believe he even went back on his socialism and
Speaker 1: communism later in life in real life, but I'm not
Speaker 1: a percent sure about that. But I mean there's like
Speaker 1: a certain amount of Obviously, Louise Bryant's character is extremely
Speaker 1: hypocritical as well, because she wants like a no strings
Speaker 1: attached relationship, but then she gets very jealous. It's funny,
Speaker 1: it's about human follies. I think it can just be
Speaker 1: tedious because it is such a passion project, and it's
Speaker 1: so it really dwells on like you know, it dwells
Speaker 1: on everything. That's why it's three hours and fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: But you, I think, are a stand How is it
Speaker 1: funny though? Like I mean, I think it's because it
Speaker 1: doesn't portray them as heroic. It portrays them as like
Speaker 1: deeply flawed. And that's like it tries to do both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's important to have like something you believe in,
Speaker 1: it's the point. But if you're a total hypocrite and
Speaker 1: you believe it makes it extremely the only book about
Speaker 1: the Bolshevik Revolution, and that was great. But he kind
Speaker 1: of built like it's easy to be It's easy to say,
Speaker 1: you know, property is theft. Come in if you can
Speaker 1: afford ran On a beautiful brownstone in Greenwich Village, right,
Speaker 1: But at least he let everybody come in, like rich
Speaker 1: people can disavow being rich. I don't know, man, it
Speaker 1: didn't that seemed as though it was being framed as
Speaker 1: being a virtue, and I found it kind of not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have as much of a problem with that.
Speaker 1: I didn't actually catch on that his parents are rich.
Speaker 1: But it's also just like he's a white man, Like
Speaker 1: it's why, like he's kind of protected, like a hot
Speaker 1: white man. Yeah, and they're hanging around with like Emma Goldman,
Speaker 1: who like they very adorably amazing. Didn't you think she
Speaker 1: was amazing? I thought a lot of the performances were amazing.
Speaker 1: Se Maureen Stapleton player. I think she won the Academy Awards.
Speaker 1: She's the idea of making like a three hour movie
Speaker 1: that is a character driven movie with like a lot
Speaker 1: of amazing actors in it. That's like George Plimpton about
Speaker 1: something interesting that people don't know that much about. I
Speaker 1: thought it was just it was very like we've always
Speaker 1: lived in the same moment, like people have the same
Speaker 1: foibles always, Like you didn't find it a little indulgent
Speaker 1: when people took turns, both the witnesses and the actors.
Speaker 1: The witnesses we should probably justus. I love the witnesses
Speaker 1: were my favorite. So it's like the movie is sort
Speaker 1: of punctuated by these UM kind of talking head interviews
Speaker 1: with a lot of people who were contemporary with UM,
Speaker 1: with Jack Reed and Louise Bryant and kind of knew
Speaker 1: them were in their circles or were also you know
Speaker 1: in the social socialist movement, and they're all like in
Speaker 1: their nineties at this point, and some of them are
Speaker 1: a hoot. Honestly, it was so funny because yeah, it
Speaker 1: was great. Who are the two women? There's like these
Speaker 1: two ladies who talked about are British and one of
Speaker 1: them has like enormous glasses. Yes, I was just like,
Speaker 1: she's I want to be her when one of them
Speaker 1: I know that one of the women was the was
Speaker 1: a relative of Louise Bryant's first husband, who was the
Speaker 1: dentist in Portland. And so she she's the one who
Speaker 1: was like she always struck me as an exhibition I
Speaker 1: think so. And she wanted my coat. Yeah, oh the coat,
Speaker 1: so sad a woman. I was like, Louise sucks. She
Speaker 1: was like, Louise wanted this coat that I had that
Speaker 1: I had brought back from Germany, and she kept asking
Speaker 1: for it and I kept saying, but I also want
Speaker 1: my coat also, like side note, Emily and I are
Speaker 1: both very attached to the coats that we have. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'll talk we've been talking about coats. But she she started,
Speaker 1: this woman the witness started shaking when she was talking
Speaker 1: about it, like she was still kind of really traumatized,
Speaker 1: and she was like I eventually just had to give
Speaker 1: it to her because she just wouldn't give up. Because
Speaker 1: that was Louise. She just got what she wanted. I
Speaker 1: was like, funk that one. OK, I had other code. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the shagginess of it is to me at
Speaker 1: least part of its charms. It's not it's not shaggy.
Speaker 1: It was shotted by Dee d Allen, who's like a
Speaker 1: famous New Hollywood editor, and just I mean just the
Speaker 1: fact that it opens with you know that it has
Speaker 1: the interviews woven in, but it's not it does not
Speaker 1: strike me. I mean, it is a studio film, and
Speaker 1: I think like much it was Paramount I believe, who
Speaker 1: put it out, and like I think, much to their
Speaker 1: chagrin by the time it was finally a Good Doctor.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was won a lot of Academy Award
Speaker 1: but it won. He won for Best Director, but it
Speaker 1: lost in two categories, including Best Picture Two Chariots of Fire.
Speaker 1: I just showed it to Reagan at the Reagan White House.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Warren Batty is extremely proud of what he
Speaker 1: did with Reds and I think it is of a time,
Speaker 1: but watching it now you can see parallel but it's
Speaker 1: very dated. No, it's not dated at all. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it seems dated. I think the production
Speaker 1: value on it is actually. This is why I say
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel shaggy to me, Like it's actually like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's beautifully shot, it's very Victoria sto, but
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have a lot of the markers that
Speaker 1: like would give it away as picture, like all of
Speaker 1: the location shooting, all of the natural light shooting, and
Speaker 1: just like it doesn't feel like a new Hollywood picture.
Speaker 1: I guess because it's the eighties right now, they're kind
Speaker 1: of we're kind of out of that to make a
Speaker 1: classic romance, right And it's a big budget ding I
Speaker 1: mean it was million dollars or something, and apparently the
Speaker 1: financial a lot for issues with it were caused a
Speaker 1: huge strain in Warren Batties romantic relationship with Sci five
Speaker 1: editors working. Yes, it was a troubled production, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't mean it was dated in terms of how
Speaker 1: I think it is beautiful and especially I mean some
Speaker 1: of the shots in Provincetown, which like I enjoyed a
Speaker 1: lot Androtten croton On Hudson Croton On Hudson Hudson's It
Speaker 1: is so just funny because I feel like that's like
Speaker 1: a huge Republican, Like I think it is weird to
Speaker 1: think about these socialists like chilling and they're a little
Speaker 1: croton On Hudson Cabin. It's more just I think they're
Speaker 1: like talk Oh the dogs see Okay, My favorite part
Speaker 1: of this movie is when he gives He gives Louise
Speaker 1: a Golden Retriever in a box and then then they
Speaker 1: have to That dog's name is Jesse, which is the
Speaker 1: weirdest name for a dog I've ever. She grew up
Speaker 1: with a dog named Jason, and I was like, there
Speaker 1: you go, can't beat Jason. That's the top dog name.
Speaker 1: Is A popular dog name is Lola. I had a
Speaker 1: dog named you did. I'm sure even that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: must have erased it. I love the name Lola so good?
Speaker 1: But movie is it? Your fa I think it's the
Speaker 1: best movie. When was the first time you saw it?
Speaker 1: I saw it? Okay, the first time I saw it
Speaker 1: was in college, and I was like, why isn't everybody
Speaker 1: talking about this all the time? It's so good? But
Speaker 1: the first time I saw it, I definitely thought that
Speaker 1: it was about like a folly, about like pursuing a
Speaker 1: folly to your detriment, like over in her Talk movie.
Speaker 1: And then the next time I watched it, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this movie rules. It's about having principles that you stick
Speaker 1: to and things that matter in your life, and not
Speaker 1: just like you know, I will say, I think it's
Speaker 1: very easy for somebody like Warren Beatty to romanticize the
Speaker 1: plight of the like starving revolutionary and a very romanticize that.
Speaker 1: The whole second act is about, like we don't see
Speaker 1: the beans that they're eating, you know, I can. They
Speaker 1: go to the w and it goes to the like
Speaker 1: the royal palace or whatever, and they're eating like onions
Speaker 1: for dinner. And he's like, it's about the disillusioned, but
Speaker 1: it's it's not him. It's like the Russians cushion. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would be so much to have a cushion. When
Speaker 1: he's in Russia, in Russia and he has to be
Speaker 1: like the real proletariat and he's like, wait, this isn't
Speaker 1: like I can't handle this. I'm too soft for this.
Speaker 1: I'm American. That's like the movie doesn't like say like
Speaker 1: and it all worked out great for everybody, But it
Speaker 1: doesn't say like, don't try anything different because like it
Speaker 1: will never work out, which is what like history wants
Speaker 1: you to think. Well, it did make me think that
Speaker 1: I think many people, I would say many American people
Speaker 1: probably like grow up sort of wishing they had the
Speaker 1: guts to be like an artist or an entertainer, an
Speaker 1: actor or something like that, you know, even if it's
Speaker 1: not the thing, they actually pursue it. Like a lot
Speaker 1: of people have that sort of romantic notion in their
Speaker 1: heads just because of what Hollywood does to us. But
Speaker 1: I think that like if you're actually in Hollywood, you
Speaker 1: just romanticize like being like revolutionary or being like you know, well,
Speaker 1: I think it was also are in Beatty trying to
Speaker 1: prove himself to his ex girlfriend Julie Christie, who was
Speaker 1: like a real leftist and being like, look, I'm just
Speaker 1: as serious as you actually, So he's like the Louise.
Speaker 1: But I also do think he does such a good
Speaker 1: job playing like a really pompous, self absorbed man in
Speaker 1: a way. That's why could that be? But played But
Speaker 1: it's like the movies make fun of him you know,
Speaker 1: like that's why Shampoo is so good too. It's like
Speaker 1: it's not he's not heroic at all. It's like from
Speaker 1: the women's point of view is like equally important in
Speaker 1: the movie. Well, I would say in this movie, the
Speaker 1: women's point of view is more important, which is like
Speaker 1: one of the things. And and I mean it goes
Speaker 1: without saying, but I mean dan Ken is so charmie
Speaker 1: and she's so good in this yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think also this movie was like supposedly super Ghost
Speaker 1: rewritten by a lot of people, including no Elaine May
Speaker 1: and Robert Town and my like crypto read on this
Speaker 1: movie has always been that it's about Elane May working
Speaker 1: through her relationship with Mike Nichols, about being in like
Speaker 1: a partnership of like two people where the guy is
Speaker 1: getting gassed up all the time and told he's a
Speaker 1: genius and you're like, but I'm a genius, and also like,
Speaker 1: but I mean she doesn't write anything for two thirds
Speaker 1: of the movie. But I think he has the good
Speaker 1: point when he's like, you're writing about an art show
Speaker 1: that happened three years ago the Armory. That's why it's
Speaker 1: good because it's like he doesn't respect her as a person.
Speaker 1: Why does she have so much? But she does pretend
Speaker 1: to take herself here, I mean she I think she
Speaker 1: does take herself extremely seriously. It's just that there's nothing
Speaker 1: to back it up. And that's just I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it's also like this thing of like the world where
Speaker 1: like men and women are promising to take each other,
Speaker 1: you know, as equals, but then it's like, what is
Speaker 1: actually happening? You know, who's actually getting the the um
Speaker 1: microphone all the time? And that to me is why
Speaker 1: it felt like it was about the sixties and seventies,
Speaker 1: you know, which is like it actually feels more like
Speaker 1: at least in the film, like women had more of
Speaker 1: a chance to have a have a platform. The idea
Speaker 1: of all these the sixties or you know, any other
Speaker 1: like even then now, I mean to bring it up
Speaker 1: for the fifty millions time, but an easy writer's raging bulls,
Speaker 1: Like the great betrayal of the book is that like
Speaker 1: the women are all expecting the men to like treat
Speaker 1: them as equals because they are, you know, they're in
Speaker 1: all these partnerships that are like these seventies equal partnerships
Speaker 1: between people that are like artists that want to get
Speaker 1: into the movies. And then with like George Lucas and
Speaker 1: Marshall Lucas, and with like Peter Bogdanovich and Polly Platt,
Speaker 1: there's all these like partnerships that fracture because the man
Speaker 1: becomes really powerful and immediately screws over the woman who's like, wait,
Speaker 1: I was like here for you and like doing all
Speaker 1: the stuff, and we thought we were in this together,
Speaker 1: but like we're clearly not. And so just like bringing
Speaker 1: things like the invention of polyamory into that is so
Speaker 1: funny too, just the idea of like people using free
Speaker 1: love as an excuse to do whatever they want. Um.
Speaker 1: But the fact that it's like her doing it is unexpected.
Speaker 1: I think they're they're both day but she does it
Speaker 1: with Eugene O'Neill because she knows it's going to hurt him. Also,
Speaker 1: I think Eugene O'Neill he like reads her to fill
Speaker 1: to the end he's you people are idiots, and then
Speaker 1: she calls him a drunk. It's like, I think the
Speaker 1: movie is critical of the people in the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's uncritical of them. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I just think it has an easy time romanticize it
Speaker 1: a lot of it too, but I don't think it's
Speaker 1: unanimously and one I think that it's romantic. That what
Speaker 1: Warren Beatty clearly thinks is romantic is like an equal
Speaker 1: partnership between a man and a woman. You know, he
Speaker 1: wants to be in love with a woman that he respects.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that comes across in the movie,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes it different from a lot of
Speaker 1: movies that are like famous Hollywood romances. To me makes
Speaker 1: me feel, yeah, that's the thing is that like in
Speaker 1: this story, it's not like the romance is the break
Speaker 1: from the work or the obstacle that they have to overcome.
Speaker 1: It's like all woven into it, which I think what
Speaker 1: makes it feel really interesting to watch. And like, I
Speaker 1: think it would be really hard to write something like
Speaker 1: this because you've so used to kind of balance like
Speaker 1: contrasting a romantic relationship with whatever the problem where the
Speaker 1: action is, but like to make it all like there
Speaker 1: are no boundaries between like the work that they're doing,
Speaker 1: how they're trying to better themselves as people, and how
Speaker 1: they're trying to like maintain their relationship and make it work.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's like that task of writing
Speaker 1: that I actually really admire in the movie a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a great point. And I did enjoy
Speaker 1: I mean there were things I enjoyed. I think if
Speaker 1: it had been a shorter movie, I would have given
Speaker 1: it much more of a pass. But I think that
Speaker 1: the problem is how high of a tolerance you have
Speaker 1: for people like that who are just they talk like
Speaker 1: so much over each other, so many ideas, they have ideas,
Speaker 1: and they've had a lot of coffee and started with
Speaker 1: a coffee starting really stressed out. I was like, they
Speaker 1: can't possibly that's not a good idea. Like the King
Speaker 1: Coffee always talks about the coffee houses starting the Great Enlightenment,
Speaker 1: you know, because everybody he was drinking so much coffee.
Speaker 1: They had lots of ideas. It's true. I think that's
Speaker 1: what it was. Sure, I'll take it. I'll believe the
Speaker 1: more ideas in the day. Well, thanks for making us
Speaker 1: watch I will say thank you for making us watch
Speaker 1: this because I hadn't seen it and I was glad
Speaker 1: to have. Yeah, it's on Hulu. It's my duty to
Speaker 1: tell everybody to watch it. I mean, maybe it's not
Speaker 1: for everybody but it's a good thing to see so
Speaker 1: that you can decide for yourself if you can't finish it.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to say that's okay. I think
Speaker 1: you've made three hours almost. I respect that kind of
Speaker 1: ambitiousness in a movie, and I think it succeeds. I
Speaker 1: think it is a kind of movie that it needs
Speaker 1: to be that long, even if it doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be that long, if you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: there's something about something that has the scope of this
Speaker 1: that you kind of get. You get, especially when it
Speaker 1: starts with the dr to like like, I mean, sure,
Speaker 1: I believe definitely some of us manipulative, intern but like,
Speaker 1: what is that manipulative in a romantic movie when people
Speaker 1: come off trains at the station and you're not expecting it.
Speaker 1: I like that. Did you cry? Yes? You cried? Did
Speaker 1: you cry Emily? No, I did not cry. But whatever,
Speaker 1: the important thing is, I just have to because if
Speaker 1: you have a movie makes you cry, you're gonna stand
Speaker 1: up for it no matter what. I admire that it's
Speaker 1: the train scene. I don't know. I if I were
Speaker 1: going to make it a little shorter, I would have
Speaker 1: just taken out a lot of the dancing. I don't
Speaker 1: think the movie would have suffered. But it was like
Speaker 1: they had a dancing sequence where everyone was wearing different
Speaker 1: outfits and it was like it was to show the
Speaker 1: passage of time. No I know this, Molly, but it
Speaker 1: didn't all have to be dancing. It was like like
Speaker 1: fifteen minute block of just dancing that's like three months.
Speaker 1: It's just so it's so much dancing thing because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, parties, parties in the nineteen TENSI it's
Speaker 1: like fun. Also, the outfits were great. Speaking of the
Speaker 1: butt chev address, now we know where it came from.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even like that style at all.
Speaker 1: I don't want to dress like this at all. It's
Speaker 1: pretty to look at it, you just don't want to
Speaker 1: dress like that because it looks horrible to wear. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's about the petty struggles of a bunch of white people,
Speaker 1: sort of like the Big Chill. Maybe that's you should
Speaker 1: like it more because of that. I find them too obnoxious.
Speaker 1: There's not a great enough array of personalities that you
Speaker 1: focus on your stuck with trapped in the gulag together
Speaker 1: at a reunion. It's I look, first of all, at
Speaker 1: least in the Big Chill. Everyone seemed to have their
Speaker 1: own bedrooms, and the blinds weren't all crooked and stuff.
Speaker 1: Is this because you don't like the idea of communal living?
Speaker 1: Because I love the Big Chill? But are you stressed?
Speaker 1: Are you stressed out by the idea of somebody being
Speaker 1: like anyone can come into my house? Totally stressed out
Speaker 1: about that. But it's really that I wouldn't want any
Speaker 1: of them coming into my house because they all were
Speaker 1: so they were like, Hey, what are you working on? Hey,
Speaker 1: what are you working on? Hey? What are you working on?
Speaker 1: More coffee? More coffee? Morkff, And I'm like, get stop it. Well,
Speaker 1: they did a good job of showing how annoying that
Speaker 1: was for his girlfriend who was trying to work. Yes,
Speaker 1: they did, but she was equally annoying. And when they
Speaker 1: played all of her letters to him so that they overlapped.
Speaker 1: I hated it. I hated that the movie. I did
Speaker 1: not like the movie, but I didn't hate it, And
Speaker 1: because I hate most things, I'd consider that a win.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we accept good. Maybe if it had a
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