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Every Tuesday, I'll choose a few questions and 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: answer them at random. Some people you can work with 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: and some people you can work around. That quote comes 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: to us from Miss Loretta Roth, a professor at Smith College. 46 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: Today we are talking about cancel culture, and. 47 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: So that quote. 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: Comes from a New York Times article where Ms Ross 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: was interviewed thinking about her course that is encouraging folks 50 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: to call people in instead of canceling them out. So, 51 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: ta when you hear that quote and you think about, like, 52 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, like what we're talking about today, what comes 53 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: up for you? 54 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: You know what? Don This quote makes me think about 55 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: a quote that you have shared on the podcast that 56 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: I have begun to sort of use as the mantra 57 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: in my life, and it's focused on what you can control, right, 58 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: And so I think that this is an empowering quote. 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: I really like it a lot because instead of focusing 60 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: your energy on the people that are not on board, 61 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: the people that are, you know, the naysayers, right, the 62 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: people that are in opposition to what you're doing, it's saying, hey, 63 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: some people you can work with. It seemless, it flows right, 64 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: and the people that are not on board, it's like, 65 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: all right, you know, excuse my friends, lady, but fuck 66 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: them and then you just work you work around them. 67 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: It's like, all right, cool, that's where they are. We're 68 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: going to move in this direction and continue to drive 69 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: forward whatever mission we have. So that's what I think 70 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: about when I hear this quote, what about you, don 71 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: what comes up for you? 72 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know exactly what I was thinking because 73 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: I got distracted by what you were saying, right, Like, 74 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: my thoughts got interrupted with what you were saying. Because 75 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I love that, right that, this really is an opportunity 76 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: for us to decide what is within our locus self control. 77 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about this like later on in the episode. 78 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: But who are the folks that we can really work 79 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: with and why? And then who are the folks that 80 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: we need to they fuck them and move around them. 81 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: You know, I love that. I think that that really 82 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: is a good way to look at it, and I 83 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: think it encourages us to figure out where. 84 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: Best to harness our energy. Right. 85 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: So, if we're saying there are some people that I 86 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: can work with, and if I can identify those people 87 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: that I can work with, then I'm going to put 88 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: energy into that. But if there are some folks that 89 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: I know I need to work around, then that allows 90 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: me to free up energy too, because it tells me 91 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: then if these are the people that I need to 92 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: work around, then that also what it's simultaneously saying is 93 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: these people will not get my energy right, Like. 94 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: I don't need to waste time convincing people that already 95 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: showed me this is where I'm at, this is what 96 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: I believe, even this is where I support all. I 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: bet if you are a racist bigot and you have 98 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: views that you know are anti black, why waste my 99 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: time trying to convince you like black people are amazing. 100 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: Black lives matter. Yo, all right, that's where you're going 101 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: to be. I'm moving in this direction and you're able 102 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: to capitalize on the momentum by working with people that 103 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 2: are for what you're for. But down here's the thing though, 104 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: This topic around cancel culture and calling in versus calling out, 105 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: it's very controversial, especially when you consider social media. So 106 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: when do you recall like hearing cancel culture? Because although 107 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: I know the words are not foreign or new to us, 108 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: it did sort of permeate the collective consciousness at a 109 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: certain period of time and now it's like a I 110 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: don't know this go to words. 111 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: It's part of our right is exactly yes. So when 112 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: we say cancel culture, like I think about, what immediately 113 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: comes up for me is the me too movement that 114 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of really took off. Even though we know that 115 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: Toronto Berg had this hashtag back in I want to say, 116 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, I believe it was pretty early 117 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: on when she first created the hashtag me too. It 118 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: was a long time before. There were several years in 119 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: between when she created that hashtag versus when it there 120 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: was a swelling of use, right, and that swelling of 121 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: use came about in twenty seven around twenty seventeen, And 122 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: so for me, that's when I think about like cancel 123 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: culture becoming a thing, right, Like I know that they were, 124 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, the term canceling folks was like maybe happening 125 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: before then, but like the act of canceling someone was 126 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: happening before then, but actually using the term we're canceling 127 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: so and so, and then the overall term canceled culture. 128 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: For me, I can remember being really prominent around the 129 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: me too movement? 130 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: What about for you? 131 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: That's a good point. I actually I had to look 132 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: at a few articles and I saw that it stated 133 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: basically the same thing that this came around in the 134 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: collective consciousness around twenty seventeen. And so when I look 135 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: at the definition of okay, what is it, what does 136 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: cancel culture mean? Because now we have to define this 137 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: because it's now Like you said, in our lexicon, it 138 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: says that it's a modern form of ostracism in which 139 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: someone is thrust out of social or professional circles, either 140 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: online or on social media, or in the real world 141 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: or both. And those who are subject to this ostracism 142 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: are said to be canceled, right, which is what we 143 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: see a lot of times on social media where they're like, oh, 144 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: you like oranges, you cancel, or you said something problematic, 145 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: you cancel. And there's this over use of the word 146 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: as well. It's interesting though, because I think that it's 147 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: so again, it's so complex, and lady, we'd love to 148 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: hear your feedback about, you know, when should this be used? 149 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: And I think for me, I have so I mean, 150 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: I just want to dive on in, you know, about 151 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: the feelings around it, because there is part of me 152 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: that believes that there is a benefit and I want 153 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: to say, you know, canceling. I don't know. I think 154 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: I have a problem with the word cancel. It sounds 155 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: like we are This is so complex, So forgive me 156 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: for my I feel like I'm just kind of thinking 157 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: through this as I'm speaking about it. But it allows 158 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: us to sort of discard people with ease and sometimes 159 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: avoid a teachable moment. And I say this for people 160 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: that y'all. I'm saying this for people that mean well, 161 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: like we had episodes on our podcast where we made mistakes, 162 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: we said some shit where we were like, oh that 163 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: was problematic or oh I didn't think about it from 164 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: that perspective, that could be offensive to someone. And I 165 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: think about in those moments like if people on social media, 166 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: I mean, our platform wasn't as big as it is 167 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: now then, but I think if people banded together and 168 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: they were like, fuck Terry Lomex, fuck dond We're canceling, y'all, 169 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: that would be so heartbreaking to me because I am 170 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: an empathetic person. I'm very caring. I want to learn, 171 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: and I know I'm going to make mistakes. We're all human, 172 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: and so I think in that regard, when you have 173 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: genuine people who are out here who are just living 174 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: life as a human being and they make mistakes and 175 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: we cancel them I think there's a missed opportunity to teach, 176 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: a missed opportunity to have a conversation and to understand 177 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: someone's perspective and experience. And we don't have to agree 178 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: on everything. But I think it is problematic to discard 179 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: people like trash really if they make a mistake. But 180 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: at the same time, I think about people who are blatant, 181 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: and the one that comes to mind for me because 182 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: of the times that we're in, like a blatant racist 183 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: or bigot who you can pretty much see has no 184 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: desire to uplift people or to learn. I mean, I 185 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: think about Donald Trump, let's just let's just call it out. 186 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: Right, exactly who I was thinking about, yes. 187 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: And people who subscribe to his ideas and morals and values, 188 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: and those are individuals that, well, we're gonna work around you, 189 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I think there is 190 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: power and a collective sort of no canceling I guess 191 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: for people like that, because it's very problematic. It's dangerous 192 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: when you support people like that to stand for what 193 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: they stand for and then also have power, right right, 194 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: It's not just a random, you know, bigot on the 195 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: street that's just walking by and they're like, oh, this 196 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: is my belief. But like you have power, you have influence, 197 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: you have access to resources that I believe is worthy 198 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: of canceling. Right, I don't know, don That's just me. 199 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: That's where I am today, right, Yeah, But. 200 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: You know, I love what you just said, right of 201 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: that's where you are today, And I think that that 202 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: raises that little piece of words raises a big point 203 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: of you gave a time on this, right, like you 204 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: said today, this is where I'm at. And to me, 205 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: part of what happens with cancel culture is that people 206 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: are willing to cancel folks who made comments twenty five, thirty, 207 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: forty fifty years ago. And for me, that's where it 208 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: can get a little tricky. I think about things that 209 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: I said when I was maybe seventeen eighteen nineteen, right, girl, girl, 210 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: uninformed but thought I knew it all right, And hell, 211 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: I think about things I might have said last year, 212 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: or the year before, hell, two weeks ago that prior 213 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: to certain information, it may have been offensive to someone, right, 214 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: or may have been ill informed, right. And I think 215 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: about that and think about, like, would I want people 216 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: canceling me knowing the person that I am to day, 217 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: would I want people canceling me for something that I 218 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: said twenty years ago that is not anywhere near how 219 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: I think or feel today because of the growth, right, 220 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: and because of the information that I now have, Like 221 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: I think about, for instance, I was watching you know 222 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: when Netflix released the full series of Girlfriends. I went 223 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: back and started rewatching all of those those episodes because 224 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: I love that show. What I find is that now 225 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: here we are the year of Our Lord twenty twenty one, 226 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: things that they were saying in those episodes from twenty 227 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: years ago, I found myself listening to some of the 228 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: things and cringing like, oh shit, they wouldn't get away 229 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: with that today. But I think about that context of 230 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: what the world was in or what the world was like, 231 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: and what the culture, the overall culture of society was 232 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: back then. And now that's not saying that what they 233 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: said was right, But I'm not going to cancel them 234 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: for things that they said twenty years ago when I 235 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: know when I have an eye idea of how these 236 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: people are, how these actresses are today, right, and then 237 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: also recognizing that what they were saying was in was. 238 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: Part of a script of a show. 239 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to cancel them because of that. 240 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: So I think about that aspect right of poor the 241 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: people that when their past transgressions are brought to light, 242 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: am I willing to move around in terms of forgiveness? 243 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Am I willing to say, let's have a conversation now 244 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: to address what was said back then, to get an 245 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: understanding of how have you evolved now? If you haven't, 246 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: then okay, maybe I do need to like cancel you 247 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: and for real move around. Yeah. 248 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: That's a really really good point, Dom And it makes 249 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: me think about the question of should we be defined 250 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: by our lowest moment right or our biggest mistake when, 251 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: like you said, I am so happy that social media 252 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: wasn't out when I was like, it wasn't what it 253 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: is now when I was younger, when I was a teenager, 254 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: I did said dumb shit and said some just dumb stuff, right, 255 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: And so if someone were to bring that back, I mean, 256 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: that would be super embarrassing. But then my question is, like, 257 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: and a lady, there's no perfect answer for this. This 258 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: is all just a conversation. So again, go to our 259 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: social media at her Space podcast and let us know 260 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: what you think, Like we want to know because this 261 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: is tricky business, right I think about you know, I 262 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: guess they have like the statute of limitations, Right, at 263 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: what point is what you did in the past no 264 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: longer going to follow you? Or at what point should 265 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: you no longer be held accountable? Like this part of me. 266 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: That's kind of like, damn if I said this ten 267 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, do you need to bring someone forward 268 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: to apologize now? When lady, you know, we grow and evolve, 269 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: many of us at rapid rates, Like I am not 270 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: who I was five years ago, you know, So when 271 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: you think about ten fifteen years ago, what should we do? 272 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 2: Should we do nothing? Should we make them apologize? Like 273 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 2: you know? And I think a lot of this goes 274 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: back to public figures, right. It's not really like the 275 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: random people on the street that you see or people 276 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: even in your family. It's really the public figures that 277 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: have an audience in a platform. I do want to 278 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: read this little snippet down from box there's an article 279 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: called what is cancel culture Explained History Debate, and so 280 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: I want to get your perspective on this. So Charity 281 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: Hugly is a linguist, and it says Charity Hudley's point 282 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: highlights what seems to many to be the bottom line 283 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: and the conversation around cancel culture. For those who are 284 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: doing the calling out or canceling, the odds are still 285 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: stacked against them. They're still the ones without social, political, 286 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: or professional power to compel someone into meaningful atonement to 287 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: do much more than organize a collective boycott. Because when 288 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: you think of that's kind of what canceling is. When 289 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: we cancel air quotes, cancel these you know, popular influencial figures. 290 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: It's sort of like a boycott, right, And if you 291 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: do decide to cancel someone, how long does it last? 292 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: What should reconciliation and forgiveness look like? I have so 293 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: many questions to consider, right. 294 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: Right, it's a lot. It is a lot to consider. 295 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: And as you were saying that, it makes me think about, 296 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, how generally what we hear about, yeah, are 297 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: the public figures, and oftentimes they're being canceled for things 298 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: that they've done in the past. Like when we're talking 299 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: about individuals, right, we tend to boycott a business easily, 300 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: readily right for something that they did in the moment, 301 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: But individuals we do tend to say we're going to 302 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: cancel them for something that they did in the past. 303 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: And I do think that to me, it can be 304 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: pretty tricky, right, But I'm gonna just toss a couple 305 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: of names out there. R Kelly, Bill Cosby. 306 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: Right. 307 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: We know, as a collective Black culture, there's controversy around 308 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: whether or not to cancel Bill Cosby, Right, And there's 309 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: controversy and like, there's a lot of controversy surrounding that, 310 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: and like surrounding why things are happening the way they 311 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: are for him. But those folks, those of us who 312 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: have decided to cancel Bill, to me, it feels like 313 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: the cancelation is because the behavior or the alleged behavior 314 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: was repetitive, right, That it wasn't a one time transgression. 315 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: It was repetitive behavior that involved hurting women. And then 316 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: we have R. 317 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: Kelly. 318 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: And I think that the collective cancelation of R. Kelly 319 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: has been met with. 320 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: A lot more. 321 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: Support, even though there are some people who still support him, 322 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: like and that. I have not been able to wrap 323 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: my head around that yet, But the overall collective has 324 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: been willing to cancel R. Kelly because it has been 325 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: repetitive behaviors. 326 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: Right. 327 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: And I think too this goes back to what I 328 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: was saying when I was talking about that episode, watching 329 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: some episodes of Girlfriends and being like, that wouldn't fly today. 330 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: Like I think about how when R Kelly had his 331 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: first trial back in I can't even remember the year, 332 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: but whatever the first trial was, there were a lot 333 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: of people that were in support of R Kelly and saying, 334 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, like doing a lot of victim blaming and 335 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: not believing those young girls who today fast forward to 336 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, who today are readily saying buck r Kelly, 337 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: let's cancel him. And so to me, that speaks to 338 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: how we evolve as a people, as a culture. And 339 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: so then it really makes me wonder if we fast 340 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: forward twenty years from today to twenty forty one, what 341 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: are the things that are happening now that we're going 342 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: to be canceling then or is it that we're not 343 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: going to be canceling and maybe we will move into 344 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: a space where we focus on only calling people in girl. 345 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: That was definitely a lot, and I'm just processing I 346 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: was making a quick notice you said that, and yeah, 347 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: it's tricky, this is definitely tricky. I'm just thinking about 348 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: both of the situations and like you said, it's repetitive 349 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: behavior you're talking about. So I'm going to transition outside 350 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: of the two men that you just brought up, because 351 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: I don't want this to necessarily be tied to that 352 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: in particular, outside of those two men. I want to 353 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: say that again, lady, I can I stress how complex 354 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 2: this is. I wish there was like a code of 355 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 2: conduct for calling in and calling out, and maybe we 356 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 2: should create one, right, maybe if you're listening, you can 357 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: go create one for us so we can, like, you know, 358 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: abide by this as a community. Because now it has 359 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: me thinking about racism and the intersection of cancel culture 360 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: and racism, because what I know is we have a 361 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: little list here right of some of the men in 362 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: particular that have been canceled, and I noticed that in 363 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: the media. I just don't like when the media leads 364 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: the way with the cancelation, especially when it's around black people, right, 365 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: because the way that black people are canceled, it's very 366 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: different from the way that white people, especially white men, 367 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: are canceled. And so I think that if we're going 368 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: to have a standard of canceling, like, it needs to 369 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: be across the board. It needs to be Hey, you've 370 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: done this to people women, whatever you have, this perspective, 371 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: this is how we're going to pull our support from you. 372 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: There's a Time article dom that thought was really interesting 373 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: and I just want to read a few excerpts, and 374 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: so it talks about Lewis Ck. It says Lewis k 375 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: admitted to masturbating in front of female comedians. He was 376 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: dropped from his agency, and HBO and Netflix cut ties 377 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: with him, but he recently sold out five shows in 378 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: my home city of Toronto. They talk about Harvey Weinstein, 379 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: how he was accused of sexual misconduct by more than 380 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 2: eighty women. I don't even think they locked him up, right, 381 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: They haven't locked him up. 382 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, honestly, I have stopped following that. 383 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't know for sure where that is. I think 384 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: he may be in jail, but I don't know for 385 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: sure where that stands. 386 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: What I will say is, I mean, I don't want 387 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: to compare sexual assault by any means. I would say 388 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 2: that he and Bill Cosby allegedly violated women, But do 389 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: you see how they were handled very differently in the media, right, right? 390 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 391 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 2: So I think about that, and I think that underneath 392 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 2: this sort of cloak of cancelation. There is a layer 393 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: of racism. Like every fucking thing in this world, it 394 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: seems there's a racism there. And so that that's what 395 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: becomes problematic for me because it's like, damn, do we 396 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: jump on the bandwagon when the media and social media 397 00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: are strategically only trying to really put the hammer down 398 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: on black people. Yes, these people are wrong, right, Like, yes, 399 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: they need to be accountable. And I know there was 400 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: a lot of outrage on social media when people are like, 401 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: where's the Harvey Weinstein documentary? Which I think they released, 402 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: But it's like there's still a very different way in 403 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: which they handle these these situations. 404 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: And so the lady, Yeah, there isn't a right answer 405 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: because I think the thing that I would point out 406 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: is that like if we're comparing like the if people 407 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: are crying out for like a Harvey Weinstein documentary because 408 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: there was an R. Kelly one, what I would point 409 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: out is that the R. Kelly one was produced by 410 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: a black woman, right, And so I think and part 411 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: of why it happened was because like the onus kind 412 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: of fell on on the black community to say here, 413 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: like this needs to be put out there, right, But 414 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: I do appreciate what you're saying about that complexity around 415 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: when we bring race into the picture. 416 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: And so then I think that's where. 417 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: I come to this calling in piece of for the 418 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: people within our community, because I think a lot of 419 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: this should happen within the community, right that I think about. 420 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: At the time that we're recording this episode, we're a 421 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 1: few weeks out from the controversy around Van Jones and 422 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: him appearing on the View and one of the view 423 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: hosts kind of calling him out or playing both sides 424 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: of the fence in terms of in one hand, he's 425 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: speaking about how much he loves the black community and 426 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: wants to do for the black community, and then in 427 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: the next hand, it appears as if he is trying 428 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: to pander to white people. To me, as much as 429 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't agree with Van Joe at all, like there's 430 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: something about his energy that just rubs me the wrong way, 431 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: I think that that would be more of a situation 432 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: where we do some calling in where we as a 433 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: community say okay, and I don't even know who the 434 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: community elders would be, right, like maybe it's maybe it's Oprah, 435 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. I lean on Oprah, maybe it's Oprah, 436 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's Angela Davis. Like we bring in 437 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: some of the community elders to say, Van, let's let's 438 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: sit around the let's sit around the fire and have 439 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: this this come to Jesus conversation, right of, here's what 440 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: we're noticing, and here's what we think like needs to 441 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: be done differently versus someone like R Kelly, who, to me, 442 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: his behavior has just been so egregious that it's one 443 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: of those behaviors that I'm like, I don't give a fuck. 444 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: We you out? Sorry, you out like I don't have 445 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: His behavior has been so egregious for me, And I 446 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: can't speak to how other people would respond, but for me, 447 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's like, you gotta go, bro. 448 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense, Tom, and I appreciate. I mean, 449 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 2: I definitely agree with that sentiment there. And as you 450 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: are chatting and sharing, I just wrote down a few 451 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: notes because it made me think about different questions that 452 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: we could potentially ask ourselves when we're presented with an 453 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: opportunity to potentially cancel someone. And I just lately I 454 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: have been so I mean, I think this has just 455 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: been something that We've talked about this on the podcast, 456 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: but so frustrated with the media and the way that 457 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: things are portrayed. I mean, it's just so sickening. I 458 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: wish that it's just so sickening to see different agendas promoted, 459 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: and then it's kind of, you know, it's really forced 460 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: down our throat to the point that we either begin 461 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: to believe or repeat the rhetoric that we see. And 462 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: it reminds me of how, you know, back in the 463 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: day when we listen to the radio a lot more 464 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: than we probably do today, where you'd hear a song 465 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: you're like, I don't really I ain't really feel in 466 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: that song, but they play it all the damn time 467 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: that you start singing it and you're like, why I 468 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: singing this damn song? It makes me think about the programming. Right. Yes, 469 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: that was just a little side note there, But the 470 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: reason I said that is because it kind of fits 471 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: in line with some of the questions. So the first 472 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: thing I wanted to state is, although this may be, 473 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: you know, hurtful to hear, I believe that black celebrities 474 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: don't owe us anything. They don't owe us a damn thing. Yes, 475 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: it is easy for us to see people that look 476 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: like us who are in higher levels of status, I 477 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: want to say, and we may admire them and their stories, 478 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: but they don't necessarily owe us anything, which kind of 479 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: sucks because I feel like, you know, the lights that 480 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: I that I live, if I am doing well and 481 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: if I am in a position to give, I am 482 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: community focused, like I want to give back to my community. 483 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: We do that with the podcast, right, like this that's 484 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 2: important to me for me to continue to learn and 485 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: evolve and to share that journey with you know, people 486 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: that listen to the podcast, and that's like my life's 487 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: work is doing something to enhance my community. But everyone 488 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: doesn't have that same agenda and they don't have to, 489 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: which is. 490 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: I think that's a huge, huge point, right that we 491 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: we generally feel that celebrities have a level of responsibility 492 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: to the community m hm. And you're right that they don't, 493 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: like unless you have signed on to be an activist, 494 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: like and you've said, like I'm an activist, I'm doing 495 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: activistm right. Or you're a politician, because then you clearly 496 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: are beholden to the people who voted you in, right, 497 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: And that's a whole other conversation on how that really 498 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: plays out right, right, So like, yeah, I get that 499 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: that like unless you have signed up for these roles 500 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: that kind of like in the job description that you 501 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: are for the people and you are beholden to the people. 502 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: We as observers can get upset, can have feelings, emotions, 503 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: thoughts around that person's behavior, but the reality is that, yes, 504 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: that person does not owe us anything. 505 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: And it brings me back to one of our episodes 506 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: about all skin folks and kim folks. So as endearing 507 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: as it might be to see a black person who's 508 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: out there winning, they may not have your saying politics, 509 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: they may not share your saying perspectives or values. They 510 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: may not even fuck with black people just because they're black. Okay, 511 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: So we I think have to manage our expectations when 512 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: we see folks. Yes, it's okay to be inspired by someone, 513 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean that we have to expect anything 514 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: more of them. So that was one thing I think. 515 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: Also when things happen with these public figures lead into curiosity. 516 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 2: So I think that it's good that, you know, I 517 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: forget the woman's name on the view, but the woman 518 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: who questioned Van Jones, the fact that Sonny questioned him, 519 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: I think that's good. Like, he's a public figure, he's standing, 520 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: you know, as an activist for the community, and we're 521 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 2: seeing some shady shit. Let's lean into curiosity. If he's 522 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: a public figure, we're going to call him in the publicly, 523 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: have a conversation, ask the hard questions, and then we 524 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: get to decide as individuals and possibly as a collective, 525 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: the questions does this person have my best interest at heart? 526 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: We can kind of see if somebody's making phony. I 527 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 2: didn't watch the whole interview, so I'm not sure like 528 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: what his vibe was, but does this person have my 529 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: best interest at heart? What do I need to make 530 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: a decision to support or withdraw support? So do I 531 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: need an apology? Do I as an individual, do I 532 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: need to you know, have a believable response, Like what 533 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: do I need to make that decision? Because I don't 534 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: think that we need to let the media make that 535 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: decision for us, like hopping on the bandway, you know, 536 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: because like and I'm going to use us as an 537 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: example down of the media. You know, we start doing 538 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: more for our community and they're like, oh damn, they're 539 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: on their black empowerment they're black identity extremists. Oh my gosh, 540 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: the Cultivating her Space podcast. You know, they have a 541 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: breakfast program. Oh my gosh, we're now seeing them like 542 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: the Black Panther Party. Like, if they start associating us 543 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: that way, then, lady, you know, are you going to 544 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: go with what the media is saying just because there's 545 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: an agenda behind that or they're trying to infiltrate and 546 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: diminish the work that we're doing for our community. Are 547 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: we just going to believe them and wrong with that? 548 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: So I think it's sometimes problematic to just go with 549 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: what the media is saying. We should do our own 550 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: research too. 551 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 3: You know, yep, yep. 552 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I think that that's really a really good point. 553 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: I like those questions, and then I got one more. 554 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: The next one is am I letting someone else determine 555 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: how I respond to this person and why? 556 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: Right? 557 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: Because sometimes there's so much research downe like with the 558 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: girl with the r Kelly documentary. You know, I heard 559 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: the rumors growing up, but then when I saw the documentary, 560 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, yes, this was presented by the media 561 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: and this shit is sick. And now I have a 562 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: very different perspective on this, and although it was something 563 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: that the media may have initiated, now that I have 564 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 2: this information before me and I see the stories of 565 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: the women, I'm like, Okay, now I feel like I 566 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: can make a decision. I can also do further research 567 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: on my own as well. But I think for us 568 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: it's important to know like actions speak louder than words. 569 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 2: When I think about someone like Kanye right, who at 570 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: one point he was for the people like you look 571 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: at his old interviews to think about old Kanye he 572 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: was for us. It appeared right and we was rocking 573 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: with him. But then after time and time again, he 574 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: continues to show his allegiance to forces and people that 575 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 2: don't mean you know us any good. Then then I 576 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 2: begin to question, Okay, where do I stand and ask 577 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: myself those questions. Right, this might be someone I need 578 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: to work around, and I may not choose to support 579 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 2: him because of how he's portraying himself and his beliefs. 580 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: Right thin about diamond and silk, who will just be 581 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 2: coning like all day long. I think I saw a 582 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 2: post recently they were like, oh, Donald Trump will always 583 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: be my president, and just the way that they just, 584 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: you know, try to pander and just go above and beyond, 585 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: you know, to support racist bigots. Those are people I'm 586 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: gonna work around you, you know, so. 587 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing too, right, Like like 588 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: you said about like making that determination of is this 589 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: person are their actions really for me? Is their general 590 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:40,479 Speaker 1: persona really for me? Like Diamond and Silk, Like, there's 591 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: a piece of me that wants to call them in 592 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: right and say this, let's have some serious conversation here, 593 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: let's talk about what's really going on. But then there's 594 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: another piece of me that's like, Okay, we've seen enough 595 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: where because I know that I have no allegiance to 596 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: the former president, because you are so clearly aligned with 597 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: him at that point, as much as I there is 598 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: a piece of me that has a sought a general 599 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: soft by four black women in general, Right, I have 600 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: to work around because it doesn't seem to me that 601 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: calling you in is the right way for me to 602 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: channel my energy, and that calling you in doesn't seem 603 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: like it would serve me in any way. And so 604 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: then I think about two like the questions, Like as 605 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: you were thinking about questions, like, there were some questions 606 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: that I thought of as well, Right, Like, so did 607 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: the offense or the transgression, the act, whatever it was, 608 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: did it break any laws? And what was the purpose 609 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: behind breaking those laws? 610 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 3: Right? 611 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: Because I think about laws that are put in place 612 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: to harm black folks and other people of color, and 613 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: so I think about like drug laws. Right, Am I 614 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: gonna call somebody out or cancel someone because they're selling drugs? 615 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: Technically they're breaking the law, right, But I'm not gonna 616 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: call them out. But somebody's telling, like I find out 617 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: that someone is has assaulted, has sexually assaulted someone, Yeah, 618 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm calling them out because that leads to my next 619 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: question of does that offense violate my boundaries or my values? 620 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: So yes, sexual assault violates a boundary, yes, hands down. 621 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: Yes. 622 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: Does racism violate a boundary or value? 623 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 3: Yes it does. 624 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: And so those are the people like when you engage 625 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: in blatant acts like that, then yes, I'm calling you out, 626 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: canceling you. 627 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 3: I'm done. And then my next question is. 628 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: Will someone will me or someone I love be hurt 629 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: by continued association with that person? 630 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 3: So if I. 631 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: Continue, if I say, Okay, i'm gonna call you in 632 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have this conversation. Am I risking you 633 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: doing being associated with you, Am I risking the safety 634 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: whether that is physical or emotional safety of those around 635 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 1: me or myself. If I'm not sure of the answer 636 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: to that question, then you gotta go. 637 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 2: I think those are great questions. Don This might be 638 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 2: our code of conduct, lay we may have come up 639 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: with the code of conduct, Like we can ask ourselves 640 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: these questions right as we see things cross our radar, 641 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 2: you know, when there's an opportunity to call someone in 642 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 2: or call selling out, slash, cancel them or whatever it 643 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 2: might be, Like, these are great questions to ask. And 644 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 2: you share this quote with me that I'd love to 645 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: just kind of end on because we talked about calling 646 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 2: in and calling out, but didn't really define calling in explicitly, 647 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 2: I want to say, and so the quote that you 648 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: shared was the antidote to the outrage. Professor Ross believes 649 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 2: is calling in and calling in is like calling out, 650 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 2: but done privately and with respect. It's a call out 651 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 2: done with love. She said that may mean simply sending 652 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 2: someone a private message, or even bringing them on the 653 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: phone to discuss the matter, or simply taking a breath 654 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 2: before commenting. Screenshotting on demanding one do better without explaining 655 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: how And I mean, when you think about it, many 656 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 2: of us we're not going to have I mean, who knows, 657 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,479 Speaker 2: I don't know. Social media does open the doors for 658 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: you know, limitless connections, I want to say, but many 659 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 2: of us probably won't have the opportunity to call out 660 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: or call in these big figures unless they decide to 661 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: like respond to you on Twitter or DM or something 662 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 2: like that. But I think that people that do have 663 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 2: bigger platforms, that have the ability to have those conversations, 664 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 2: this could definitely be something that they consider. And we 665 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 2: could even do this in our personal life as well, 666 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, whether you're at a university or in the 667 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 2: you know, at your job or whatever it might be, 668 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,280 Speaker 2: when a situation comes up and you hear someone say 669 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: say something out of pocket, I actually think I just 670 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 2: thought of a work incident that happened and people called 671 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 2: this person in and they apologize and express their sincerity 672 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: for the issue, you know, the thing that happened, and 673 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 2: then we moved on. So we can definitely use this 674 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 2: in our person life as well. It's very important. Hi lady, 675 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 2: it's Terry here from cultivating her Space. Are you tired 676 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 2: of working hard for your money? Do you want your 677 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: business to run smoothly when you're out of office. If 678 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 2: you want to learn how to automate your business cash 679 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 2: flow and increase your impact and influence, join me from 680 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 2: our free workshop at brandwidth Terry dot com. Again, that's 681 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 2: brand with Terry dot com. My name is spelled Te DOUBLERI. 682 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 2: I hope to see you there, lady. 683 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today. 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