Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bucko Territory, presented to
Speaker 2: you by the Foul Territory Network. I'm Noah, Hile's joining
Speaker 2: me as always our Josh Harrison and Platinum.
Speaker 1: Key aka Mark.
Speaker 2: The Pirates drop two of three over the weekend on
Speaker 2: the road in San Francisco, frustrating series loss capped off
Speaker 2: by an x tratings lost Sunday evening against the Giants.
Speaker 2: We've got a good show today. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: Bubba Chandler, Joey Bart and as always on Monday shows,
Speaker 2: we are going to round off with Platinum Keys Key
Speaker 2: of the week. So fellas, let's start off with Bubba Chandler.
Speaker 2: He goes five innings on Sunday, allows two earth runs,
Speaker 2: similar line in that regard to his last outing, but
Speaker 2: this outing a much better showing for one reason, and
Speaker 2: that's a lack of law. I think he walked what
Speaker 2: do you watched six in his second to last start. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sounds about right, something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, way too many. He had one hit, one walk today.
Speaker 2: So that's that's a big win for Bubba Chandler, and honestly,
Speaker 2: that's that's gonna be something that you need to see
Speaker 2: from him more often, as Era now is down to
Speaker 2: four sixty two, still struggling to go deeper into ball games,
Speaker 2: which I want to hit on a little bit later,
Speaker 2: but I'll start with Mark here. Mark, I mean, what
Speaker 2: were your takeaways from Bubba after really after a kind
Speaker 2: of a bad outing, I guess, even though the stat
Speaker 2: line's the same, do you think you look better this
Speaker 2: time around?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely do. I mean, besides not pitching past
Speaker 3: five innings, which he only threw seventy seven pitches, so
Speaker 3: not exactly on him. He probably could have thrown a
Speaker 3: few more if needed, not his choice to make so.
Speaker 3: But overall, I mean, he just stayed in the strike
Speaker 3: zone a lot more. It wasn't just like a lack
Speaker 3: of walks. It was a lot mores as well. I
Speaker 3: think he may have thrown more strikes despite throwing less
Speaker 3: pitches in this outing than his previous one, So big
Speaker 3: growth there. He didn't let himself get you know, lose
Speaker 3: his composure. You know, he stayed locked in. We saw
Speaker 3: like that tumble he made, he made his first err
Speaker 3: of the year when he tried to like slide in
Speaker 3: and got caught up in the grass. Maybe that played
Speaker 3: a factor into them pulling them just a little early
Speaker 3: because that happened right before the fifth inion uh, with
Speaker 3: like one out left in the fourth, so he was
Speaker 3: able to finish it out. Doesn't seem like it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a long term injury or anything, just the Pirates
Speaker 3: being a little precautious. So overall encouraging stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is still a rookie pitcher, right, so you're gonna
Speaker 3: have some good alltings, You're gonna have some bad alltings,
Speaker 3: but overall pretty encouraging stuff. Topped out one hundred and
Speaker 3: five today, so uh yeah, just just casual, you know,
Speaker 3: just a casual starting pitcher. Yeah, what were your takeaways?
Speaker 2: No, overall I kind of agree with what you had
Speaker 2: to say on just you know, finding the zone a
Speaker 2: lot more in the composure element of it too. I
Speaker 2: was curious to see how you would respond after getting
Speaker 2: taken yard and it didn't really bother him at all.
Speaker 1: So that's a good sign on the composure note.
Speaker 2: Big picture, and I'm gonna give my spiel here and
Speaker 2: then let Joshua in because I was thinking the other day,
Speaker 2: like what does a successful season look like for Bubba Chandler.
Speaker 2: Is it a sub four era? Is it one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy strikeouts?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 2: And to me, when I look at the construction of
Speaker 2: this team, and this might be a different definition for
Speaker 2: Bubba Chandler personally, like it might not align with his
Speaker 2: personal goals or all of his personal goals. But if
Speaker 2: I'm the Pittsburgh Pirates, the number one thing I'm asking
Speaker 2: Bubba Chandler to do this year is get me one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty innings.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I need you to do.
Speaker 2: If your number five starter can get you one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty innings, especially for a guy who threw one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty and a third innings last year between
Speaker 2: Triple A and the major leagues, that twenty to thirty
Speaker 2: inning rangees is like the desired bump of what you want.
Speaker 2: But for a team that's looking to get to the postseason,
Speaker 2: if he's at one fifty at the end of the
Speaker 2: regular season, that's a really good sign for him. So
Speaker 2: my goal And you look Paul Skeens his first professional season,
Speaker 2: he threw one hundred and sixty and a third I
Speaker 2: believe between Triple A and the Major League So that's
Speaker 2: a good mark, that one fifty to one sixty range.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect build up for what he's already done.
Speaker 2: And it means that he's healthy. And if he's throwing
Speaker 2: that many innings, it means that he's.
Speaker 1: Still in the starting rotations.
Speaker 2: He's good enough to stay one of their five and unlike,
Speaker 2: and we mentioned this on the show before, there are
Speaker 2: other guys in this rotation on this staff, they're going
Speaker 2: to have workload restrictions. If he's throwing one hundred fifty
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty, there shouldn't be a lot of limitations
Speaker 2: placed on him because it just means he's getting you
Speaker 2: five to six pretty much every time he's pitching. So
Speaker 2: that's how I've Bubba Chandler's rookie season and what it
Speaker 2: needs to be. Just get get one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: plus innings under your belt this year, keep that e
Speaker 2: er under you know, the lower side of four point five,
Speaker 2: and you've done your job.
Speaker 1: Josh, Is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, obviously after listening to both of your spills,
Speaker 5: progress for him, as you said, is going to be
Speaker 5: continuing to go five or six and today you said
Speaker 5: he won seventy seven pitches could argue that he possibly
Speaker 5: could have gone more, but for his progress to continue
Speaker 5: to trend upward, he has to have days like today
Speaker 5: where you mentioned one walk. Yes, what good does it
Speaker 5: do you to have this electric stuff if you can't
Speaker 5: you know, pitch in the zone or even be around
Speaker 5: the zone, because with stuff that good, you don't necessarily
Speaker 5: have to you know, be perfect. And maybe it's a
Speaker 5: case of him thinking that he's got to make the
Speaker 5: perfect pitch. And sometimes you see that with younger guys,
Speaker 5: especially with powerful arms. You know, oh, let me let
Speaker 5: me throw you said, he throw one on five. Let
Speaker 5: me let me throw this one O five, you know, dotted,
Speaker 5: and it's like, you know what, learn learn how to
Speaker 5: control you know, the strike zone. You know, you don't
Speaker 5: have to be perfect with that stuff. And sometimes it
Speaker 5: could be a case of, you know, even after some
Speaker 5: of his you know, outings, his interviews, you know, you
Speaker 5: can listen to the way he speaks, he owns up
Speaker 5: to you know, I gotta be better. I have to
Speaker 5: do this. But you know it's more than just saying it,
Speaker 5: and sometimes just a matter of you know, having days
Speaker 5: like today five any seventy seven pitches one walk. I mean,
Speaker 5: as I said, we could build off of that. You
Speaker 5: can you can throw more pictures than that. So I
Speaker 5: think his progress is going to continue to trend upward
Speaker 5: the more that he finds the zone, because as you said,
Speaker 5: he showed composure after giving up a home run. That's
Speaker 5: gonna happen, it's big league hitters. But what it's going
Speaker 5: to teach him is that, man, the more than I'm
Speaker 5: in his zone now I can really you know, be
Speaker 5: aggressive with my stuff as opposed to when you're in
Speaker 5: one o, two oh counts. You know, now it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I have to throw a strike, and sometimes that's the
Speaker 5: hardest time to throw a strike because you don't want
Speaker 5: to prove one and then you miss. Now you're three
Speaker 5: to zero. So his progress, as you said, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: agree with that because one hundred and thirty innings last year,
Speaker 5: if he's up to one hundred and fifty, one hundred
Speaker 5: and sixty, he's going five to six. He's not walking
Speaker 5: that many guys, And that to me is what we
Speaker 5: came into this season, you know, talking about Bubba is
Speaker 5: being able to you know, control the strike zone, and
Speaker 5: ultimately today is a step in the right direction.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a quick break. When we
Speaker 2: come back, we're going to talk about the guy Bubba
Speaker 2: Chandler was throwing to, not in this start, but the
Speaker 2: last one, Joey Bart.
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, we've talked a lot about the weaknesses
Speaker 2: of this team, and the two glaring ones are obviously
Speaker 2: outfield defense in the bullpen for the reason why they
Speaker 2: lost Sunday. But another weakness throughout the season has been catching.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're getting decent defensive play from behind the plate,
Speaker 2: but for I mean all of last year and a
Speaker 2: large part of this season so far, offense has been
Speaker 2: a problem among the Pirates catching staff, but it hasn't
Speaker 2: been as of late thanks to Joey. Joey Bart in
Speaker 2: his last fifteen games is slashing three h two, three
Speaker 2: eleven for sixty five and that includes a pair of
Speaker 2: home runs. Believe five or six RBIs.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't have those six rbi in that's slight. And
Speaker 2: Mark has the Baseball Savant chart here. His defense has
Speaker 2: also been fine. I wouldn't say it's amazing, and it's
Speaker 2: ironic that we're touting his batting stats because you see
Speaker 2: a lot of blue there. But if you go to
Speaker 2: the defensive metrics, I mean, seventy fourth percentile and pop
Speaker 2: time forty second percentile. On framing cs above average is
Speaker 2: league average, and then blocks above average is I believe
Speaker 2: that it says sixty one percent.
Speaker 1: Don't have my glasses on, So.
Speaker 2: I mean pretty much when you look at overall he
Speaker 2: is he is an above average defensive catcher based off
Speaker 2: of those metrics, and I mean the offensive stats. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the percentiles don't look pretty there, but I mean in
Speaker 2: his last fifteen games, he's hitting the ball well, and even.
Speaker 1: Without that, he's a better hitter than Henry Davis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yes, after this hot streak, now he's
Speaker 3: up to six sixty nine almost like that seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So right, so when you're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so when you're considering what you have here,
Speaker 2: Henry Davis is always going to catch Paul Schemes. I
Speaker 2: think Henry Davis should always catch Bubba Chandler as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but for those other three guys, is Joey Bart
Speaker 1: is Joey Bart.
Speaker 2: Has Joey Bart done enough to get sixty percent of
Speaker 2: the starts where Henry Davis gets the forty.
Speaker 1: I'll start with Josh.
Speaker 5: Well, my first question to you is, right now, has
Speaker 5: Henry gotten sixty percent of starts or eighty?
Speaker 2: Henry's probably had more, I would say, yeah, just not
Speaker 2: even knowing that off.
Speaker 1: The top of my head. Henry. Yeah, Henry's the guy
Speaker 1: they want out there.
Speaker 2: I'll just say that they desperately want Henry to be
Speaker 2: the number one, but he just can't hit.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, as I said in multiple episodes with
Speaker 5: other guys, you ride the hot hand, and obviously there's
Speaker 5: gonna come a threshold with that when you're weighing what
Speaker 5: you're gonna do in certain spots. And you've just said
Speaker 5: that he's not hurting you defensively, he's actually been rated
Speaker 5: above average, So right there, the one thing you want
Speaker 5: away is like, Okay, a lot of times we're gonna
Speaker 5: trade defense for offensive vice versa. And not like he's
Speaker 5: sitting here tearing the cover off the ball. You know,
Speaker 5: but as you said, he's trending upward, and if his
Speaker 5: defense is also above average, I don't see anything wrong
Speaker 5: with giving it guy, you know, sixty percent of the
Speaker 5: bulk of the playing time, because at the end of
Speaker 5: the day we talked. He's doing the split in time
Speaker 5: and that's no different than anybody that's platooning or whatever.
Speaker 5: But I'm a firm believer that you don't really know
Speaker 5: until you give a guy that that opportunity, and not
Speaker 5: to say that he hasn't had the opportunity before, but
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes opportunities presents themselves again. And I'm a
Speaker 5: firm believer. And as you said, you know, he's he's
Speaker 5: been rated above average defensively, he's not hurting you. If
Speaker 5: he's trending upward with the bat, why not give that
Speaker 5: a shot? Because you know, any added offense of production
Speaker 5: is going to be, you know, just more fuel to
Speaker 5: the fire, especially you know, on a team that is
Speaker 5: struggling defensively. If it's not hurting you defensively, I think
Speaker 5: you give a shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just looked up while Josh was talking there,
Speaker 3: Harry Davis has eighty at bats this year. Joey Bart
Speaker 3: has fifty eight at bats this year. So yeah, a
Speaker 3: little slight bumped towards Hillary. But the way Joey Bart's
Speaker 3: been playing, I think you gotta keep going with him
Speaker 3: and use that as extra motivation, you know, some healthy competition.
Speaker 3: Maybe light a fire under Henry's Davis's button, say you know,
Speaker 3: this is your job and you're it's slipping through your
Speaker 3: fingers right now to Joey Bart, a guy that we
Speaker 3: were saying, you know, wasn't looking that great for most
Speaker 3: of the season until these last fifteen games. So you know,
Speaker 3: maybe Henry Davis has been, you know, working really hard,
Speaker 3: as we alluded to it. Maybe he needed some days
Speaker 3: off just to work on things, get right, fix things
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. Maybe that's been part of it. But
Speaker 3: it seems like this is Joey Bart's job to lose
Speaker 3: as of now.
Speaker 1: I want to be real clear here before we wrap
Speaker 1: this segment up.
Speaker 2: I'm not advocating for Joey Bart to be like the
Speaker 2: primary number one guy, like he just hasn't done enough.
Speaker 5: Oh I understand, Yeah, yeh.
Speaker 2: Henry Davis is a much better defensive catcher than Joey Bart.
Speaker 2: And one thing that you don't really have a metric
Speaker 2: for is like game calling. Henry Davis calls a far
Speaker 2: better game than Joey Bart. Like, I guess the way
Speaker 2: you measure that metric is you look at the pitching
Speaker 2: staffs e RA. When Joey Bart's behind the plate and
Speaker 2: look at it when Henry Davis is behind the plate
Speaker 2: and pretty obvious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's a lot that goes into it too,
Speaker 5: you know, catcher relationship. Catcher also been on the same page,
Speaker 5: Like sometimes guys are just on different pages. And it's like,
Speaker 5: I think that's what he wants to throw, and you know,
Speaker 5: guys like I guess I'll throw it where you know,
Speaker 5: certain guys they know and it's just as you said,
Speaker 5: go ahead.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing with Henry is Henry has been
Speaker 2: a minor league catcher while Paul Skeins was in Triple A.
Speaker 2: He's been a minor league catcher for Bubba Chandler's development,
Speaker 2: especially in Triple A. Braxton Ashcraft, him and he have
Speaker 2: played together in the minor leagues, and same for Karvin Machinski.
Speaker 1: So four of their starting five.
Speaker 2: Pitchers familiar thrown to this guy before they tasted the
Speaker 2: major leagues. So there is a benefit to that. Now again,
Speaker 2: you gotta play Bart somehow, but like that's why I
Speaker 2: say keep him with schemes because you don't mess. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then I think, I I mean, I think you
Speaker 2: look at what Bubba did Sunday one walk.
Speaker 1: Henry Davis was a starting catcher Sunday. So I look
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: I think, keep Bubba and Henry together, keep Paul and
Speaker 2: Henry together, and then you can use Braxton as kind
Speaker 2: of like your buffer, or maybe the Carmen start as
Speaker 2: your buffer, because it's a bullpen game sometimes. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Joey Bart should catch Mitch Keller and the other two
Speaker 2: starts right now, just because he's given you offense.
Speaker 1: And this isn't necessarily a team that needs to trade
Speaker 1: more defense for offense. They kind of done that way
Speaker 1: too much already. But I mean, you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't start a guy three times a week who's
Speaker 2: hitting under one sixty.
Speaker 1: It's just that's just not acceptable.
Speaker 2: Unless if you're like Austin Hedges level good defensively, which
Speaker 2: Henry's just not there right now. So any final thoughts
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Speaker 1: All right, Platinum's Platinum Keys Key of the Week. What
Speaker 1: he got for us? Mark?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so highlighting. We kind of talked a little bit
Speaker 3: about Bubba's control looking improved and got me thinking I
Speaker 3: wanted to highlight Mason Montgomery as my Key of the
Speaker 3: Week this upcoming week. He has been really, really solid
Speaker 3: as of late coming out of the bullpen. His ERA
Speaker 3: this year is down to two point eight seven after
Speaker 3: fifteen point two innings. He only has eight walks. In
Speaker 3: the offseason when the Pirates acquired and we're like, this
Speaker 3: guy has nasty stuff if he can keep it in
Speaker 3: the zone, and he has kept it in the zone
Speaker 3: and done that wall striking out batters as well. He
Speaker 3: has twenty three strikeouts compared to those eight walks. That's
Speaker 3: a ninety seventh percentile strikeout rate in MLB, So just
Speaker 3: striking guys out more than anyone, getting a lot of
Speaker 3: whiffs as well, missing the bat constantly ninety first percentile
Speaker 3: whiff rate, and doing it while just throwing absolute gas
Speaker 3: as a lefty, ninety seventh percentile in fastball velocity there
Speaker 3: as well. So he's got five holds. Just really been
Speaker 3: a bright spot in a Pirates bullpen that's gotten beat
Speaker 3: up in the last few games when he's come in,
Speaker 3: he's really stepped up. He pitched one point two innings
Speaker 3: in Sunday's game, came in and really was that stopper
Speaker 3: that the pirates needed when I think he came in
Speaker 3: with the bases loaded, possibly after mats and loaded them
Speaker 3: head runners on either way. So just really impressive stuff
Speaker 3: from Mason Montgomery this year. No, what's that light bulb
Speaker 3: that just went off above your head?
Speaker 2: There, we've got some breaking news. Seth Hernandez promoted to
Speaker 2: Hya Greensboro.
Speaker 7: No way, relaxed. Hey, you know we're just talking last time. Yeah,
Speaker 7: hold on, let me run breaking news. Yeah, I knocked
Speaker 7: my Yeah, I love it that.
Speaker 2: I was just getting I was getting some texts about it.
Speaker 2: I did not break that for the record, I mean
Speaker 2: I had someone text me about it. But Chase Ford
Speaker 2: with the scoop, so shout out to him. He actually
Speaker 2: breaks a lot of minly call ups. A good young reporter.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yes, congrats, uh, Seth Hernandez. But back to
Speaker 2: what you were saying, Sorry about that. I was listening,
Speaker 2: but I was seeing if anyone else had that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so Mason, I'll just say this, he picked the right
Speaker 2: time for it to click, because is Yeah, most of
Speaker 2: his bullpen's really going through it right now.
Speaker 1: I mean Johan Man, Johan is like.
Speaker 2: Riding a roll toaster without ament's it's gonna be an
Speaker 2: awesome ride, but it's you might die. Matt Mattson is
Speaker 2: struggling right now. I mean, justin Lawrence is hasn't looked
Speaker 2: good all year. Dennis Antanas kind of getting his groove back.
Speaker 2: I mean, Soto's a beast, but yeah, Montgomery is, He's
Speaker 2: clicking right when they need him to click.
Speaker 1: He's been excellent.
Speaker 5: I mean, just to add to that, I mean, definitely
Speaker 5: with the bullpen been a sore spot obviously. You know
Speaker 5: you said Soto has been nails. It's nice to see
Speaker 5: Montgomery because I do remember when he was acquired. You know,
Speaker 5: the question marks of you know, the control and you
Speaker 5: know the strikeout the walk ratio is something that's really
Speaker 5: big because you know, coming out of the pen, you
Speaker 5: know you got to pound the zone man, and that's
Speaker 5: one thing that you know they preached these guys. You know,
Speaker 5: you have one inning, maybe two innings, but like you know,
Speaker 5: you can make an inning or outing a lot worse
Speaker 5: than what it could, you know, be if you are
Speaker 5: not in the zone. You know, because you know, leadoff walks,
Speaker 5: especially out the pen, are something that are really big.
Speaker 5: And you know, as he's limiting those things, I think
Speaker 5: that's big, especially for a young guy. You know, you
Speaker 5: you mentioned not very much big league team time right
Speaker 5: before this year, just brief last year. Yeah, so so
Speaker 5: so I mean for him to be a young guy
Speaker 5: coming out of the pen, especially in the pen as
Speaker 5: as I said, been kind of a sore spot, that's
Speaker 5: pretty cool. And uh just that's nice to see because
Speaker 5: when the bullpen is struggling, you need to have some
Speaker 5: guys that you can can count on. And you know,
Speaker 5: just that's two lefties too to go along. So that's
Speaker 5: that's a nice compliment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with a rotation full of ladies to have
Speaker 3: that kind of production and now your lefties is great.
Speaker 3: And also, I mean, what a trade this Mike Burrow's
Speaker 3: trade is looking to be with the impact brandual. I mean,
Speaker 3: even if you only get one season of Brandon Low
Speaker 3: if he ends up walking in free agency, I mean,
Speaker 3: this trade still looks phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: You could have Mangham and Montgomery for Burrows for what
Speaker 2: Burrows is looking like right now. Like I would have
Speaker 2: considered that deal. I don't know if I would have
Speaker 2: went through with it, but like you know, it was
Speaker 2: worth considering because, like Mangham was the type of guy
Speaker 2: they were hoping to get at the deadline last year
Speaker 2: and didn't. And Montgomery's I mean, and you're gonna have
Speaker 2: both of them as long as you would have had
Speaker 2: Burrows anyway.
Speaker 3: And they feel the rules that were gaping holes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, way more of a need. So yeah, what a
Speaker 1: trade that was? All right, guys? Any final thoughts before
Speaker 1: we wrap.
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Speaker 2: but it'll be here before next Mother's Day. And she
Speaker 2: would love that jim bag. You know, yeah, she would
Speaker 2: love that coffee. But whose mom doesn't love a nice
Speaker 2: pot of coffee in the morning or a nice hat.
Speaker 2: You know, she wakes up drinking her coffee wearing her hat.
Speaker 1: For her hair is done. It would be great. So
Speaker 1: do all of that. Shout out to the moms.
Speaker 5: Shout out yes the moms.
Speaker 1: For Platinum Key, A K. A. Mark and Josh Harrison.
Speaker 2: I'm Noah Haile, signing off saying thanks for tuning in
Speaker 2: to another episode of Bucco Territory, presented to you by
Speaker 2: the Foul Territory Network.
Speaker 1: Take care