WEBVTT - Ep. 21: Jason Matzinger & Sam Soholt 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.440 Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.120 and today for episode number twenty one, I'm joined by 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:13.400 Jason Matt Singer and Sam sohol. You guys should know 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.960 Sam Soho by now. He's the bus driving, badass nomad 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.079 that's been on the podcast a few times, one of 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.840 my closer buds, somebody who I love just having to 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.000 ride along there as many pot as that possibly can 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.600 get him. He's a great dude. He's joined by his 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:30.720 good friend and somebody who's worked with a lot of 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.840 Jason Matt Singer. Jason Matt Singer is a Fontana born filmmaker, 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.120 conservationist just to have a great face in the hunting world. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.839 He's a sit gambassador, works with Eddie, does a lot 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.800 of things in our space and most notably points them 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.879 all towards conservation. And that's why I think many other 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.479 reasons Jason court boys to hear. So we caught up 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.160 for a midnight beer drinking, pizza eating podcast in Boson, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:02.000 Montana night before Total Archery Challenge. It's a great conversation 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.640 about wild sheep, about how to conserve them, about how 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.959 to better message for the wild sheep Hunter, A lot, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.560 a lot of good stuff to dig into, so hopefully 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:36.640 you do an episode number one enjoy, And we're on. Gentlemen, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:44.399 introduce yourselves. Uh, Sam Souhol photographer, bus Guy, bus Guy, 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.680 Jason Matt Singer, host of Endo High Country and Project Delk, 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.600 Project Neil Deer, And we're about to launch the Circle 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.120 of Life. Yes, that sounds good. Now I always like 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.200 to start this will be fun. I'd like to start 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:03.560 in the podcast by describing where we are now. This 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:08.320 will challenge, says, will challenge your descriptive abilities. But Jason, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.960 give us a description of our current surroundings. Well, I 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:16.120 think it proves how dedicated we are to getting it done. Um, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.360 you know, right now we are. We got a couple 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.680 of white robes hanging on the wall. We got a 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:26.800 pretty big audience, and we found a quiet spot amongst 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.359 you know, amongst the chaos. Yeah, it's chaotic out there. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.120 Total our three challenges about to kick off. We're in 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:39.320 Big Sky, Montana. It was a beautiful night, beautiful sunset. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:44.320 We had a photo shoot tonight. Yea, and uh, I'm 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.080 just happy to be here. This is one of my 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.520 favorite weekends all year. Of course, it's right in my 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.959 backyard and all the people that I love to surround 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.000 myself with or right here for a few days, especially Greg, 0:02:56.040 --> 0:03:00.799 who's in the bed. Uh, we're just gonna refer to 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.320 him as only Greg. We wilyn describe wherees from what 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.120 he's doing. Greg's arrival has been highly anticipated by a 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.040 lot of people, so I mean so happy to happen. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.760 He's a bit of a big deal. He's resting a 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:18.160 corps light on the stomach as he lounges on a 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.920 hotel bed. He's got I think he's scouting. He's looking 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.120 at maps, looking at maps his rout out for Morrow, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.360 because he doesn't Greg does not go by the course 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:38.160 whatever target. The mountain has always been Greg's treadmill. The 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.320 first time I met Greg, that was the shirt he's 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:48.480 getting offgoing joke ever since it's a nice shirt. That's 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.440 a nice shirt. Well, yeah, this is the lovely what's 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.120 this called the Huntley? The Huntley Hotel. Shout out to 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:59.560 those folks for making a hotel. Yeah, you're right, that 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.520 was okay. Several chairs and the table, yep, it's just 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.760 good and electrical outlets which are also helpful that we're 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.240 supposed to do this in the bush, but we couldn't 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.920 find a spot to park it where I could plug in. Well, listen, 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.960 when you got a bus, that's bus problems. That's right, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.440 we're living out of a bus. Sometimes you gotta make 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.320 You should have bought a shorter one. Are you gonna 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.520 sleep in that bus tonight? I might? Yeah, I might 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.200 not really want to share a room with anybody. Yeah 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.479 that's true. Yeah, yeah, Well I don't blame you. Yeah, 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:36.960 I'll go assess the situation. The feeling is definitely mutual. Trust. No, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.560 the smell, I know, snoring and the smell. We're gonna 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.800 get deep in the conservation talk. But a pizza will 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.080 be delivered at some point during the podcast. So maybe 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.320 we'll have the pizza. Every person come in and make 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.080 a guess, ask him some questions, hopefull see how they 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:57.000 feel some coupins. Based on our promotion of the pizza place? 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.839 What was Greg? What was the pizza Place? What I 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.279 am excited about is I've never had a pizza with 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.920 way goo beef on it? Is that what we're getting? Yeah? 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.960 They got a little what's it called pizza works? Now works? 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.760 Is w E r X? I hope W r k 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:21.960 s screw the valves right, all right? Well, pizza works 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.840 Big Sky, Montana. Thanks for broad and we paid for it, 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.440 but thank you for bringing it. What was the official 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:32.320 name of that pizza A kind the Guido, the Guido 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:37.080 and no offense to any Guido's out there. I suspect 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:42.560 it will be a hell of a pizza. Meatballs, meatballs, Yeah, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.600 and interesting a lot. They got a lot of wide 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.800 goo beef in Montana. Yeah, probably, so everywhere is everywhere? 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.800 You know, cows getting massaged every national forest. Well, happy 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.360 cows are good cows. You know that's true. That's true. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.040 One more point before we begin the real reason we're here. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.360 Sam did say that every time we've podcast together, we've 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.039 been drinking and now we have to burp out the 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.120 left side of our mouths to prevent away from the 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.880 microphoy from the microphone. So, so if if any of 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.960 you hear like a little bit of clicking or like 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.080 Mike noise rubbing, it's just trying to shift the mic 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.919 far enough away so you don't Because I was like 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.040 a to our conversation and like the fifth time that happened, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.800 like what, yeah, what was that? That's happening? In there. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.800 If you go back and listen to the Lani recap, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:31.520 there's a lot of a lot of that. I think 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.279 we addressed it there as well. I feel like it's 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.200 not only appropriate to address address that going into it, 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.240 that there is uh there will be beer burbs and 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.640 it's Corona shout out to hopefully Coronabal sponsor this podcast 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.000 at some point. I don't know why they wouldn't. I 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.440 don't know why either. I'd go, I'd do beach interviews. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:55.480 I would wear a bikini. I don't really care. So, um, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:07:00.280 she hunting is awesome. Um that's my sage. We don't 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:07.040 even have any real segue other than say, um, Jason, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.920 you got a great opportunity to draw it once in 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:16.440 a lifetime tag here recently twice, once in a lifetime 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.880 opportunity twice. Yeah, this is the second time. Yeah, I'm 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.880 talking about tell us about that. Well, yeah, I mean 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.400 I drew a big horn cheap tag in two thousand 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:33.880 six here in Montana, and uh, fortunately here in Montana, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.400 it's not once in a lifetime. You know, we've created 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.960 enough opportunity for us to get back out there, so 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:44.360 every seven years you can reapply. I had I think 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:49.000 four so points. Not the best at math, but it 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.920 was somewhere right in there and drew again in one 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:59.080 of the premier units in all of North America. So yeah, 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:03.960 I mean it's it's just one of those tags that's um, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.240 you know, there's no words for it. It's it's as 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:12.840 good as when in the lottery, you know, there's like 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.360 when it comes to auction tags. The most expensive tag 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.680 ever sold was for the chance to hunt big horns 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.120 in Montana, and that was in I believe two thousand 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.040 thirteen at the Wild Sheep Foundation. I went for four 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:31.200 hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Yeah. I honestly get chills 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.640 just driving down Cannon here along the Galton and I 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.719 just saw a sign that said sheep crossing. Yeah, and 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.960 then I was like, I love that sign. I was 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.600 like a little kid. I was like, I told my 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.640 wife Hannah, look look a sheep crossing. She's like, whatever, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.160 what's that mean? I'm like, he such, it's even to 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.640 me even to be in country where, especially in the 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.080 little forty eight, where you can run into a big horn, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.960 especially this magnificent country. Yeah, for sure there Yeah, and 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.360 a lot of times, a lot of times around here. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.160 They end up seeing them driving up. They'll be hanging 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.120 out right next to the road. Yeah, I've seen that. 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.360 Not in Montana, with Colorado, I've seen that, Yeah for sure. Ye. No, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.160 they're They're just such a you know, iconic animal for 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:19.320 North America, and I you know, I wish more people 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.440 had the opportunity to actually uh be around big horn 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.880 sheep because they are come in. Yeah, pizza arrived. Pizza 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:35.200 guys here, pizza guys here going. We knew you were coming. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:40.560 That's fantastic. Appreciate that. Yeah, sex man, that was quick 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:46.200 delivery too. That was pizza work and sell yourself short. Still, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.240 oh man, that looks good. If the end of this 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.760 podcast gets a little sleepy, you'll know we're about to 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:58.400 eat bread. If you take turns like pushing the microwa in, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:05.600 it's like, damn, all right, this is getting good. It's 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.640 good real early like this. It's gonna need more beer though, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.439 saying I thing, maybe how many we got there? We 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:18.040 got a couple left at least. Um when that when 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.080 you draw a sheep tag like that, I mean, what's 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.079 your I mean, what's your knowledge of the area? How 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.959 much have you thought about that? I mean, is it's 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.040 a dream tag, But is it enough of reality going 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.920 into that that you've already scouted and thought and understood 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.520 what it is. I mean only because I had had 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.959 it before, you know, the first time I drew it, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.920 I can relate to that because I didn't have a clue. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.360 I mean, you're going into no man's land. You know. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.800 I've always heard about the area. I've you know, I've 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.200 hunted around it for deer and elk, but I've never 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.199 dug into it for sheep. So you know, you got it. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.240 It takes a whole other brain when it comes to 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.920 approaching a sheep hunt versus an elk hunt versus a 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.760 deer hunt, even if you're hunting them in the same 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.239 to rain. So yeah, it was all foreign to me. Um. 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.880 I remember I started. The first thing I did was 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:11.920 Duncan Gil Chris video on how to Field Judge Sheep 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.920 was one of the first things I got. At the time. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.040 Duncan was still alive and I ordered it from him. Um, 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.599 great DVD. That taught me a ton about you know, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.040 because the first time I went out there, every sheep 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:30.200 looked giant like those rams. I mean, they're just so impressive. Looking. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.000 You know, until I watched Duncan's videos, I didn't really 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.400 get a grasp of how to break them down, like 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:39.880 you know, an elk or deer or something. I had 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.920 been around a lot, so there was definitely that UM 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.360 kind of side of it is just you know, what 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.440 was a young ram, what was an older ram? What 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.400 are growth rings? What are not growth rings? Just all 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.600 of that, but then you know the area itself. UM 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.320 at that time, you know, there wasn't on X maps. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.920 Unfortunately the Fishing Game does send out map or did 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.440 at the time send out maps to the tag holders 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.760 and kind of gave you an area on our idea 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.800 where to start, and UM, from there, it was just 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.079 about digging in and just putting boots on the dirt, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:20.640 you know, and um started finding rams and one leads 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.720 you to the other, which leads you to somewhere else, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.680 and you know, next thing you know, you've got a 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.040 few few areas. Uh, do you feel pretty competent in 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.280 what kind of ram you looking for? You know, any 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.920 animal I hunt, it's just the one that gets me going. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.640 You know, it's not it's no there's no picture in 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.760 my head of what that animal is. It's just you 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.600 know how it is when you're out there hunting and 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.200 you're trying to convince yourself that's the one, that's not 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.360 the one, you know. So for me, when I when 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.080 all of a sudden, I see an animal and my 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.640 heart starts beating and like I like not even thinking 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.040 straight trying to figure out the next move or whatever. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.960 That's what I hunt. Can you like that's that's a 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.679 good thing to delve into a little bit, and we 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.320 should all try to explain because I don't know that 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.199 you can when you see an animal in your heart 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.080 starts being like, that's the animal we're gonna kill. A 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.560 lot of times you can see be like, that's the 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.000 biggest help I think I'll ever see, when this piece 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.160 of property or wherever money, or the biggest sheep I 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.120 think I'll ever see. Of course, you never know, but 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.960 something like I said, sometimes you just look at an 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.240 animal quickly through the bodies will be like, that's the one. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.600 Let's go, shooter, go totally, and I think you know 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.640 it's a combination of the animal in the scenario. You know, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:42.280 sometimes it's just everything aligns and and you know, you 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.320 just the bow goes off and you really don't even 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.040 or the rifle or whatever, and you just and you 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:53.920 look at each other like what just happened? Um? I 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.200 think a lot of times that's with the scenario too. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.760 I mean, if you're in this epic location and you've 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.200 may be pre scouted it and you've never been there, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.199 and then you end up in this spot next thing, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:10.760 you know, this animal just presents this beautiful, you know, opportunity. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.079 It just hits you, you know, and it may be 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.840 way smaller than you picture it in your mind and 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.720 maybe way bigger, and you just get lucky. I mean, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.520 I don't know, I don't know what it is. I 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.680 think it's a combination of the animal, the point of 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.440 the season in which you're at the location. You know, 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.120 it's just all these factors that just sort of just 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.440 hit you, you know. Yeah. I always wonder that how 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.840 much social media, how much our expectation of what other 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:45.040 people are gonna how other people might judge what we do. Well, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.960 I'll tell you with the sheep hunt that becomes real 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.520 in a hurry, you know, elk antelope, anything else, it's 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.440 not that, but when you get that tag you start 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.560 to or any special tag that you know, a lot 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.760 of people like to get. You start to feel like 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.080 to some degree, you're hunting for everyone else too, you 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.120 know when we touch on this in the film tomorrow 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:14.400 like or Saturday, sorry, um, like you feel like you're 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.000 kind of the ambassador for your friends because they live 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.520 vicarious lee through you. And so you want to hunt 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.560 as hard as anybody else would, and you want to 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.640 get as good as sheep as anybody else would. And 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.600 you want to you know, work for it like anybody else. 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.760 You want to earn it like anybody else, you know, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:36.280 so you do really you know that comes into effect 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:41.040 for Elk, for me, for dear. You know, I feel 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:45.440 like it's not hard for me to hunt for me, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.080 you know, And I think that comes with I've got 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.040 great partners in this industry, you know there there, It's 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.440 not the days of fifteen years ago where you gotta 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.760 show x amount of minutes of a sponsor or anything. Like. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.760 My sponsors are great partners. They build great products, and 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.440 they they just let me do me. It doesn't matter. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.720 You know. My first two episodes this year, Sam and 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:11.680 I worked our tails off this fall, and I got 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.040 the opportunity at a bigger bowl than I've ever got 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.280 my life, and I missed it, and I made a 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.480 two part episode out of it where we went home 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.360 with nothing, and and I'd love to be able to 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.840 tell that, you know, and not have to feel any 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.280 pressure of I've got to get X amount of animals 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.920 or I've got to kill this animal or I've I 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.040 told myself over ten years ago when I first started 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.520 doing this, I will never kill an animal to make 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.080 an episode. If I'm not feeling it like what we're 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.640 talking about, it's just not going to happen, you know. Yeah, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.880 we've talked a lot about Uh. Steve Ornella is one 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.280 of his brothers. I guess Matt talked to came up 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.920 with this idea maybe not original to him, but of 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.440 a purity score for hunting. And he's like, I just 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.280 have a purity score. I could sit down in front 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.600 of the animal, like what's the feeling? Like, what do 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.560 I feel? How pure is this? Am? I thinking I 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.840 got him? But man, I'm not sure that was the 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.879 right I'm not sure what it was day two ship. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.480 Maybe it should have been day five, or maybe it 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.360 should have been day seven. And for me now hunting, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.119 I like to just when it happened, sit down and 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.600 like feel it feel right. And my second guess in 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.120 it am I thinking, Man, I don't think I don't 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.199 think people think this is big enough for I'm not 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.000 sure I worked hard enough for this. I got lucky ship. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.639 I don't feel right about it, and just judge that 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.840 and each time try to get to higher score, like 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.160 just get to the next level. Um, And like you said, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.080 when you're in this industry, I'm sure you and say 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:40.960 I'm saying, way you get all these invites and I'm like, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.160 come on, this hunt, it's a it's a dream hunt, 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.520 Like what kind of hunt is it? It might be 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.199 a dream hunt for you. I might think it sucks, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.280 or I might kill a giant L can feel like 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.639 I was cheap. I've done that a few times. You 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.280 kill like a bull that as a kid, I would 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.679 have never thought that I would even got close to 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.679 and you shoot it and you're like, well, yeah, okay, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.720 like that was awesome, but it didn't you like didn't 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.800 earn it enough for something? Yeah, Or we were talking 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.639 about we were making jokes coming in here, like I 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.760 love those d I Y I guided hunts, like the 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.639 guy's like shooting and then from there it's d I 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.160 Y Yeah that all plays into it. But at some level, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.520 you know, I'm sure she hunt is is just the 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.560 next level you amp up all these feelings and all 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.359 the things that go into it. It is. It's just 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:33.119 everything is. Because I mean I waited until there was 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.719 nine days left in the season. We've been there almost 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.879 thirty days filming hunting. The camera crew was there more 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:40.760 than me because I'd go back and see my boys 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.040 and then come back and they would continue to get 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.520 content and stuff. But like it was, you know, when 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.640 you have a tag like that, it's just you've never 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.000 hunted along like you never wanted to be over. The 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.359 situation is never good enough, you know, you hold it 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.199 on such a pedestal. Well, I think the cool thing 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.320 that you did last you're with that sheep hunt is. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.920 So we went up and scouted for a few days 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.480 in augustin right towards the end of August, and I 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.360 mean personally, I couldn't believe just sitting on one glassing 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.160 now and we were looking at five, you know, five 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.679 or six different sheep that were boone and crocket animals. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.600 I mean, just big sheep. I mean, the country is 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.960 beautiful and you got all these big sheep run around. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.639 But from day one, your whole goal with that hunt 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.280 was to soak up every second of it and make 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.080 it like let it last as long as it needed 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.200 to last, and like just embrace like the whole hunt 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.480 instead of like, Okay, I'm gonna go in there and 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.919 like I'm gonna whatever it takes. I'm gonna, you know, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.240 knock going down as early as or whatever. And that 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.960 was never it. It was always just like I'm just 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.320 gonna go, like this might be the last tag I 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.760 ever drawn Montana for sheep, and I'm just gonna go 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.120 let that just be in that moment for as long 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.959 as possible. And that was cool. Do you feel doubly 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.520 like I always as somebody in the industry who some 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.280 almost my job to go do stuff like that and 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.320 not cheap punt's course, but just hunting in general. I 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.040 feel like some it's not a guilt, but it's just 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.880 like a responsibility to enjoy this thing and to put 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.560 all myself into it because there's a whole lot of 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.359 people that would give anything to be doing So you 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.120 got that, and then you also have what we're talking 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.080 about earlier is the pressure of I'm representing everybody with 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.520 this tag that would desire to do this or puts 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.720 time and energy and money to do it, and so 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.120 you have that the double responsibility of those two things 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:37.359 that want. Yeah, it's it's really all the pressures you 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.040 feel of hunting, no matter what it is, or just 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.119 magnified on a sheep hunt. And I do appreciate you 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:48.399 know you're saying that, Sam, it was. You know, I 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.120 saw a lot of bigger rams than the one I got, 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.800 And I'm not saying like by any means I'm upset 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.840 with the one I got, But it always was about 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:01.080 soaking it up. You know, I wanted to really get 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.240 to no sheep. I wanted to really live in that 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.479 country for as long as I could. I wanted to 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:10.800 really understand the animal well. And because you did that, 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:15.040 you were able to experience things last fall that people 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.639 like even sheep hunters, will probably never experience in their 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.119 entire life, Like that whole scenario when you guys were 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.800 on the boat filming those sheep, like the one the 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.800 sheep had a you know, another sheep like basically buried 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:29.520 in the hole, like guarding it, and uh, you know, 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.320 and then like ten minutes of unbelievable sheet footage. I 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.199 mean I just got to see like little snippets of it, 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.040 and it was it's just crazy. Take a quick break, 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.560 Greg broke the seal in the pizza. What are we feeling. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:46.840 We're feeling good on that good. It's hard to eat 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.160 with the microphone. We'll have to take turns of eating 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.600 while someone else is talking. Yeah, apologies to the honest, 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:56.560 but this looks really good. We're about to eat it anyway, 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.280 go ahead. I'm sorry. Oh no, it was just um 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.360 big because you know, you spend that much time out there, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.399 you you give yourself the amount of time, you give 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:09.480 yourself the opportunity to have things happen to you for sure. Yeah, 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.720 instead of rushing through it and just being able to 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:16.000 appreciate the whole hunt. You know. It's Uh, it's funny 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.879 because every time I've ever dedicated myself like full onto 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.439 one of these big films for a conservation organization, I 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.520 always feel like I get blessed with opportunity I wouldn't have. 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:29.920 You know, it may sound weird, but like right after 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:34.560 we decided to do Project Now, amazing things started happening. 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.639 And I don't know if it's because I was focusing 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.879 more on that animal. But I'm just like, I just 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.120 felt like they were these gifts, you know, like, oh, 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:45.120 you're gonna you know, you're doing something good here look 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.159 at this, and like what Sam's talking about. I mean, 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:52.080 you'll see it in the film. It's a nine different 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.640 rams had one you, and she she wasn't ready to breed, 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.840 so she went in this tiny little hole in the 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.200 side of the mountain and she wouldn't come out, and 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.399