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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien

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Speaker 1: and today for episode number twenty one, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Jason Matt Singer and Sam sohol. You guys should know

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Speaker 1: Sam Soho by now. He's the bus driving, badass nomad

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Speaker 1: that's been on the podcast a few times, one of

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Speaker 1: my closer buds, somebody who I love just having to

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Speaker 1: ride along there as many pot as that possibly can

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Speaker 1: get him. He's a great dude. He's joined by his

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Speaker 1: good friend and somebody who's worked with a lot of

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Speaker 1: Jason Matt Singer. Jason Matt Singer is a Fontana born filmmaker,

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Speaker 1: conservationist just to have a great face in the hunting world.

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Speaker 1: He's a sit gambassador, works with Eddie, does a lot

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Speaker 1: of things in our space and most notably points them

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Speaker 1: all towards conservation. And that's why I think many other

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Speaker 1: reasons Jason court boys to hear. So we caught up

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Speaker 1: for a midnight beer drinking, pizza eating podcast in Boson,

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Speaker 1: Montana night before Total Archery Challenge. It's a great conversation

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Speaker 1: about wild sheep, about how to conserve them, about how

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Speaker 1: to better message for the wild sheep Hunter, A lot,

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Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff to dig into, so hopefully

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Speaker 1: you do an episode number one enjoy, And we're on. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: introduce yourselves. Uh, Sam Souhol photographer, bus Guy, bus Guy,

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Speaker 1: Jason Matt Singer, host of Endo High Country and Project Delk,

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Speaker 1: Project Neil Deer, And we're about to launch the Circle

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Speaker 1: of Life. Yes, that sounds good. Now I always like

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Speaker 1: to start this will be fun. I'd like to start

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Speaker 1: in the podcast by describing where we are now. This

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Speaker 1: will challenge, says, will challenge your descriptive abilities. But Jason,

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Speaker 1: give us a description of our current surroundings. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think it proves how dedicated we are to getting it done. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, right now we are. We got a couple

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Speaker 1: of white robes hanging on the wall. We got a

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Speaker 1: pretty big audience, and we found a quiet spot amongst

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Speaker 1: you know, amongst the chaos. Yeah, it's chaotic out there.

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Speaker 1: Total our three challenges about to kick off. We're in

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Speaker 1: Big Sky, Montana. It was a beautiful night, beautiful sunset.

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Speaker 1: We had a photo shoot tonight. Yea, and uh, I'm

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Speaker 1: just happy to be here. This is one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite weekends all year. Of course, it's right in my

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Speaker 1: myself with or right here for a few days, especially Greg,

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Speaker 1: who's in the bed. Uh, we're just gonna refer to

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Speaker 1: him as only Greg. We wilyn describe wherees from what

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Speaker 1: he's doing. Greg's arrival has been highly anticipated by a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, so I mean so happy to happen.

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Speaker 1: He's a bit of a big deal. He's resting a

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Speaker 1: corps light on the stomach as he lounges on a

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Speaker 1: hotel bed. He's got I think he's scouting. He's looking

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Speaker 1: at maps, looking at maps his rout out for Morrow,

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Speaker 1: because he doesn't Greg does not go by the course

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Speaker 1: whatever target. The mountain has always been Greg's treadmill. The

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Speaker 1: first time I met Greg, that was the shirt he's

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Speaker 1: getting offgoing joke ever since it's a nice shirt. That's

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Speaker 1: a nice shirt. Well, yeah, this is the lovely what's

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Speaker 1: this called the Huntley? The Huntley Hotel. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: those folks for making a hotel. Yeah, you're right, that

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Speaker 1: was okay. Several chairs and the table, yep, it's just

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Speaker 1: good and electrical outlets which are also helpful that we're

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Speaker 1: when you got a bus, that's bus problems. That's right,

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Speaker 1: we're living out of a bus. Sometimes you gotta make

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Speaker 1: You should have bought a shorter one. Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: sleep in that bus tonight? I might? Yeah, I might

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Speaker 1: not really want to share a room with anybody. Yeah

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Speaker 1: I'll go assess the situation. The feeling is definitely mutual. Trust. No,

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Speaker 1: the smell, I know, snoring and the smell. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get deep in the conservation talk. But a pizza will

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Speaker 1: be delivered at some point during the podcast. So maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll have the pizza. Every person come in and make

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Speaker 1: a guess, ask him some questions, hopefull see how they

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Speaker 1: feel some coupins. Based on our promotion of the pizza place?

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Speaker 1: What was Greg? What was the pizza Place? What I

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Speaker 1: am excited about is I've never had a pizza with

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Speaker 1: way goo beef on it? Is that what we're getting? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: They got a little what's it called pizza works? Now works?

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Speaker 1: Big Sky, Montana. Thanks for broad and we paid for it,

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Speaker 1: but thank you for bringing it. What was the official

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Speaker 1: name of that pizza A kind the Guido, the Guido

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Speaker 1: and no offense to any Guido's out there. I suspect

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Speaker 1: it will be a hell of a pizza. Meatballs, meatballs, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and interesting a lot. They got a lot of wide

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Speaker 1: goo beef in Montana. Yeah, probably, so everywhere is everywhere?

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Speaker 1: One more point before we begin the real reason we're here.

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Speaker 1: Sam did say that every time we've podcast together, we've

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Speaker 1: been drinking and now we have to burp out the

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Speaker 1: far enough away so you don't Because I was like

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Speaker 1: a to our conversation and like the fifth time that happened,

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Speaker 1: like what, yeah, what was that? That's happening? In there.

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Speaker 1: If you go back and listen to the Lani recap,

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Speaker 1: we addressed it there as well. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: not only appropriate to address address that going into it,

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Speaker 1: that there is uh there will be beer burbs and

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Speaker 1: it's Corona shout out to hopefully Coronabal sponsor this podcast

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Speaker 1: at some point. I don't know why they wouldn't. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why either. I'd go, I'd do beach interviews.

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Speaker 1: I would wear a bikini. I don't really care. So, um,

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Speaker 1: she hunting is awesome. Um that's my sage. We don't

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Speaker 1: even have any real segue other than say, um, Jason,

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Speaker 1: you got a great opportunity to draw it once in

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Speaker 1: a lifetime tag here recently twice, once in a lifetime

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Speaker 1: opportunity twice. Yeah, this is the second time. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about tell us about that. Well, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's not once in a lifetime. You know, we've created

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Speaker 1: of the premier units in all of North America. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's just one of those tags that's um,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to auction tags. The most expensive tag

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Speaker 1: just driving down Cannon here along the Galton and I

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Speaker 1: what kind of ram you looking for? You know, any

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Speaker 1: not looking at just any ram. These are you know,

426
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: the you know, new hunter harvested world record ram came

427
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: just out of an area north of where I was

428
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: hunting last year. So because what's the We talked a

429
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: lot about the average amount of days that a sheep

430
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: hunter Montana will hunt before they kill a sheep, and

431
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: it's like, surprisingly less three days. Yeah, it's like because

432
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: because they're like the population is growing and there's all

433
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: these big rams, and guys can go out and hunt

434
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: for a few days, scout a little bit, and then

435
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: you find a few I mean you can get on

436
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: a good knob and you can find a good sheep,

437
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: and then you go in there and you can kill

438
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: a boot and crockett sheep. I mean in a couple

439
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: of days. First more, first day Sam and I went scouting.

440
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: We saw, I know, one of the rams was. I

441
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: know two of the rams we saw that day ended

442
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: up being taken by other hunters than they were, you know,

443
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: d plus rams. You know, you gotta feel, you know,

444
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: the only sheep hunt that I've been a part of

445
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: was in Northwest Territories is last year, and it felt

446
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: it sucked. It was a wonderful hunt. I didn't have

447
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 1: a tag obviously, but it felt like because you were

448
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: limited in days, a lot of those hunters ended up

449
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: going there and then coming back the next year, or

450
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: going home for a month to coming back. You know,

451
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: they're they're hunting ten days and not getting it done.

452
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: It just felt like that arbitrary, what seemingly arbitrary amount

453
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: of days that the alphator decides, well that's two days,

454
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: or that's how much these this many days costs. It

455
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: seemed like, man, that sucks. Man that sucks, because around

456
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: day seven you're just like that fee link that you

457
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: get when you see the one gets to be pretty artificial. Man. Yeah,

458
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: you have to. But for you, you can go and

459
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: see your kids, dedicate your time and do it the

460
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: right way, which which is the fact you've we're dedicated

461
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: to film and all that, I think is it. You know,

462
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: it's quite the gifts for everybody that gets to watch

463
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: that film. Oh man. I mean I feel like the

464
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: lucky one though, and I'm just excited for everybody to

465
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: see the film. You know, it turned out great. I've

466
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: kind of got choked up, you know, every time I

467
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: watched it here in the last since we've gotten a

468
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: polished and I just can't wait for it to come out. Yeah,

469
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: I know. I remember you were when you were doing it.

470
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: You were like, well, we've been out here twenty seven days,

471
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: probably have shot one one day, like six. But I'm

472
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: an insane human. Now. There's there's just there's just levels

473
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 1: to hunting. In my opinion, they're just like what you're

474
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: willing to do, what your true dedication is to it,

475
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: and how you display that's important, especially for you guys

476
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: like yourself and saying saying you know that people are

477
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: watching to see and they're looking for I think, especially

478
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: on social media nowadays, people are looking for inspiration. Yeah,

479
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean there's so so much garbage out there,

480
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: not you know, necessarily in any one area. It's just

481
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of noise in the world, negative

482
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: for the most part. You know, you flip on the news,

483
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: it's negative. You look at the newspaper, it's negative. You know,

484
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's so refreshing to see people out there

485
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: living this life in beautiful places and doing what they love.

486
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it is inspirational for people.

487
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: And and then you know, there's definitely different levels and

488
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: whatever level that is that you know, gets the out there,

489
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: I think that's great. You know, legal, ethical, there's there

490
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: is all kinds of different levels. You know, if you

491
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: want to uh on a water hole or if you

492
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: want to hike to the top of you know, the

493
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: biggest mountain around, you can do that here. And that's

494
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: the beauty of it. So there's something for everybody. And

495
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, we live in a great place for

496
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: it all, Montana, good Lord, and we are right in

497
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: the middle of it right now. I'm what a wonderful place.

498
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: It's hard for me not to laugh. And you're like,

499
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, right in my backyard. It's technically right in

500
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: my backyard to where we're at. I just don't spend

501
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: much time here. Yeah, let's let's you know, let's stop

502
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: for a minute, just Sam, Like, when are you gonna

503
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: settled down? Like Jason and I are a little bit

504
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: just concerned. We haven't talked about this, but I'm just

505
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: assuming I feel you're not the only people that are concerned.

506
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: I've been I've been talking to your parents, trying to

507
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: think of what somebody called me. What did Steve call

508
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: me earlier? He's like, you have a home base or

509
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: you just a hobo? Yeah it was hobo? Yeah, Um yeah,

510
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean at some point I think I gotta Um,

511
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I love all the travel and stuff and

512
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: love what I've been able to do, but at some

513
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: point and I have to slow down a little bit.

514
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you probably never stopped traveling, and I'll

515
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: never have like a normal job, probably, but um, it's

516
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: been fairly chaotic the last six years. Next next year

517
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: you go short bus and then shorter bus actually get

518
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: especially so we're gonna go from public land full size

519
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: bus to like public land short bus to public land prius. Yeah,

520
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: we figured that out. But you can do it like

521
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: a little round year tough the side of the prius. Yeah,

522
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: this is a state land only this is walking. It's

523
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: cool though, what Sam has done, because he's taken off,

524
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: you know, promoting what we all love, but just in

525
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: such a unique way and something that you and was

526
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: your brother and your buddies kind of talked about. You

527
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: just wait for it, Yeah, because I mean I had

528
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: even talked like the first time that Ben and I

529
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: ever met, I was telling him about my I wanted

530
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: to buy a school bus years ago. And yeah but

531
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: um yeah the bus idea started a long time ago

532
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: and I was the one dumb enough to buy one.

533
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: So now it's I'm just I've been very happy to

534
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: see how that project has progressed in like just the

535
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: following that has and um, you know, I'm just a

536
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: small voice in the fight to keep public lands public

537
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: and it's been cool to see kind of people rally

538
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: behind that and want to do more just because they've

539
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: been like I've been helping try to help educate people

540
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: about what's going on behind the bus like a reality show.

541
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you can line it up. Yeah, I'm not going

542
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: to try to find the film crew to take care of.

543
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: Like you said, just bringing awareness to it has elevated

544
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: people's interests, you know, and that's what you set out

545
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: to do. You know. I remember when you were talking

546
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: about it, and it's just cool. It's been cool to

547
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: follow along and see your journey and your dedication to

548
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: driving that across the country to different places to these

549
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: events like here, I mean, the bus has parked right

550
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: out here, total archery Challenge. People can come by and

551
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: check it out. You know, that's awesome. It's like the

552
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: the like you just still your passion and your view

553
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: of the world. Because we've talked about this before. It's

554
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: like people ask like, how do you how do you

555
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: get to where you were? Like, I don't know. I

556
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: have no idea because I knew I would have just

557
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: been like, got there quicker, right, I would have been

558
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: there right off the bat. But like you, I'm super

559
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: passionate about this thing. I have a mindset where I'm

560
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: happier when I'm not tied down. Next thing, I know,

561
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: I have a bush. But that's just this distillation of

562
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: your passion as well as the way you view the

563
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: world and what makes you happy and if you chase

564
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: that thing and it turns into a public ends bust

565
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: where it turns into a TV show and films about conservation,

566
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: I think those things are all to be admired just

567
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: for those reasons. Like you've allowed your your journey to leave,

568
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, to go that way because you want to

569
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: chase what your dreams and you don't allow you know,

570
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: I'll ship to get in front of that. Yeah. And

571
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: I think I mean, like you were saying before, I

572
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: think you once you become kind of hyper focused on

573
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: one goal, I think you start to see the doors

574
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: that are that open in front of you, and you like,

575
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: it's not one decision or another that takes you to

576
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: that path. It's just it's a million small decisions. And

577
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: like but once you know, you're, like you said, you're

578
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: really passionate about one thing, and then this opportunity kind

579
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: of pops up and you kind of you just go

580
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: that way a little bit, and then this opportunity pops

581
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: up and just kind of people say that passion and

582
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you meet more people, you shake more hands. And who

583
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: I was talking to about a five year plan, wo

584
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: I started, Shawn to graves. Here's my five year plan.

585
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, man, I don't know. I don't

586
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: have any five year plan ends because I feel like

587
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: if i've i'm my five year plans out here and

588
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: it's something awesome is going on, you know outside of

589
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: my purview my five year plan, I might miss that

590
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: ship I've already made goals too far down the road.

591
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: I just like to have a passion and just like

592
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: jump into it. Whatever happens happens, Because if you try

593
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: to get yourself into a position where this is how

594
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to succeed or this is what I need

595
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: to do, you're gonna miss some stuff along the way

596
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't fit into the plans you're made. And that

597
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you shouldn't have like kind of an

598
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: overarching goal, but like to have like a step by

599
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: step something laid out like that's tough. Yeah you might, yeah,

600
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: especially in your case. Yeah. Well it's kind of like

601
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: an analogy would be, like, you know, I was talking

602
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: to you about some of these photo shoots, and I'm like, man,

603
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: I feel like these guys that are so worried about

604
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: being at a time, at a certain place at a

605
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: certain time miss a lot of the best stuff. And

606
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I think that's like, you know, relative to what we're

607
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: talking about. If you're only thinking about one thing and

608
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: one time, you're gonna miss a lot of the good stuff.

609
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: It's like life is what happens when you're busy making

610
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: other plans, you know. And so it's like Sam says,

611
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: it's great to have, you know, a goal of Oh,

612
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: I want to you know, make a great footprint for

613
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: my kids, a foundation, send him to college. You know,

614
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: you've got to have those goals. But to think like

615
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: this is exactly how this needs to happen, or it's

616
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: not going to happen at all. No. I mean my

617
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: journey has evolved so many times throughout my short little

618
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: time of doing this, Like but it just keeps getting

619
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: better because we're passionate about what we do, and you

620
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: meet other people who are passionate. I mean, that's what

621
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: brought everybody in this room together as our passion. We're

622
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: not sure what Greg Pizza and Greg. He's on the bed,

623
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: but he's got his shoes on. Greg's noncommittal. He's on

624
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: the bed but has a shoe. They're hanging off the

625
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: hanging off the light of him. It's not like he's

626
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: getting the pizza only good enough for one s like,

627
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: don't worry, just get in there, don't don't be nervous.

628
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because there's a lot of chewing to

629
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: be had there. That's a lot of animal protein. Pizza extra. Yeah,

630
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: it's a lot of meat on there. What is that for?

631
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Shoot him? I think that's mouse backstrap. There's tomato basil.

632
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: There's tomato basila on there, because I know every started

633
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: with the basis. Well, here's what we do, boys. We

634
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: take some bread, we throw it up in the air,

635
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: we put in the oven, put some sauce on it,

636
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of cheese. After that's up to you.

637
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: We look at it a whole different way than everybody else.

638
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: Pizza Works. Thanks Pizza Works. If they're closing right now,

639
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: I wish, I do wish. That's what we were doing

640
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: is on a CB with truckers, like outside the hotel.

641
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll start a podcast where I just want to

642
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: cebu with trucks recorded. That would be good. Random conversations

643
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: with random truckers, just convincing truckers like pull over man,

644
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: what's my handle? Let me think about that for just

645
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: a second. Bus Yeah, bust, lord, bust, lord, al right,

646
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: what were we talking about before? Oh, we were just

647
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, how your passion kind of ends

648
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: up opening doors for you you didn't see in lading

649
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: the in directions you really didn't see. And I, you know,

650
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I had to pinch myself moment. I was talking to

651
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Greg on the drive up from Bozeman, and I was like,

652
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, who'd have thought? You know, right in my backyard,

653
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm launching a film that's supported by arguably the biggest

654
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: best companies for what we do right here with all

655
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: my peers. I'm like, how did this happen? You know,

656
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: like we're talking, I mean, fast forward ten years and

657
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: here we are, you know, And and I'm like, you

658
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, I when I about, you know, several years ago,

659
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: my mom passed away, and I just remember my dad saying,

660
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, live your life. If you don't have the

661
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: money for it, who cares do it? If you don't

662
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: have time, plan it and live it, because you'll regret it.

663
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I do, you know. And obviously

664
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: I want to have a way to work things out

665
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: if if things don't go right as plan, but I'm

666
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: all about just committing and giving it everything you've got

667
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: and it's just never really backfired. And there's nothing I

668
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: generally disagree with people saying, like, be your best self.

669
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: Fuck you, Like, listen, I'm gonna be a better self

670
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: than I was yesterday. Like the only thing that's truly

671
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: that you can truly compare yourself is to the person

672
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: that you just were, like whether it's last year or

673
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: ten years ago or ten years before that, Like that's

674
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: really the only thing you can do, because if you

675
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: start being like I gotta this, I could do this

676
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: even as a hunter, Like there's you founded a long time.

677
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Everybody at this table is hunted since they were kiddos.

678
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: You're never gonna know everything. You're never gonna be the

679
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: best hunter or even the best version of your own

680
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: the hunter that you will be, but you'll be if

681
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: you're dedicated to it better than yesterday. And if you're

682
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: better than yesterday, well hopefully when you're at the end,

683
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: you'd be like, damn, that's pretty good. And it was

684
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: pretty good because I didn't I didn't try to achieve

685
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: something some shiny star. I just was trying to be

686
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: better than yesterday. Always was never good enough, which can

687
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: be torturous, but it also can be pretty damn good.

688
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, if you get to points where you're at

689
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: you like, dude, I worked and worked and worked, and

690
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I looked around. I was like,

691
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: wholely shit, this is cool. Like that moment is worth

692
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: ten years of work. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you just

693
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: it's worthful lifetime as far as I'm concerned. And what's

694
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: funny is you keep hitting these moments where you're like, man,

695
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: life is so good right now, you know, how's it

696
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: going to get any better? And then six months from now,

697
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: you're like, my life is so good right now, how

698
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 1: is it going to get any better? And then flat,

699
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, fast forward six years, you're going, dude, how

700
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: did this happen? My life? My life is so good?

701
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: How's it going to get any better? You know? And

702
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: it's like I think that's just you know, appreciating things too,

703
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: and never taken things for granted. I mean, I've lived at,

704
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: you know, virtually the Base Alone Mountain my entire life,

705
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: and I stare at that mountain every second I get

706
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: a chance, you know, And I think it's appreciating people

707
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: and araortunities and places and sunsets and smells, and you know.

708
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: I think that is what keeps people just passionate right

709
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: to the end. You know, if you ever take it

710
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: for granted, then I always ask that to people that

711
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: live in places like Bozeman, like you ever just like like, yeah,

712
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: there's mountains whatever. Fine. I've seen him every day for

713
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, because I can't imagine that ever

714
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: happened to me. You wake up, your looks they always

715
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: look different. Lighting changes, like in five minutes, a different

716
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: mountain and the cloud. I mean, it's ever changing. I

717
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: find myself being relieved by the fact that they're there,

718
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: Like I wake up, they're still there. I'm not dreaming.

719
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm still in Montana or I'm still in Colorado, I'm

720
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: still in wherever. Wherever you are, Well, there's there's this

721
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: beautiful landscapes. Don't have to be mountains. It could be

722
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: the ocean. Yeah, I mean the bad Lands is beautiful,

723
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, the prairies beautiful. It's yeah, it's just appreciation

724
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: for when first every moment of life and the people

725
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: around you. You know. Yeah, when I first moved to Montana,

726
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: I lived with some buddies out in Belgrade in the

727
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: room we rented a house, and uh, kind of on

728
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: this new development area and the room that I had

729
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: faced to the east, and I would never shut the

730
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: curtains because every morning I'd wake up the sunrise coming

731
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: up over the Bridger Mountains and like, I mean, that's

732
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: just incredible, like to be able to just watch that

733
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: come up. So I think, you know, it does happen

734
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: where you live in one spot for a long time,

735
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: you start to like you don't really notice him. But

736
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: I think it's like we were talking about earlier, just

737
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: gotta stop and just recognize like what you have, Like

738
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: how cool that is. Well, it's funny because that stuff

739
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: changes right when you allow it to. Because oh yeah, Greg,

740
00:41:50,719 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: bring it over. Jason wants to bring it over. Dude,

741
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat one of these wagon. Were you a

742
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: gymnast at one point in your life? Close enough? Yeah,

743
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: you get put an awkward You got to wear the tights.

744
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: He was in it for the single. Let me get

745
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: a ladies. One time I wore boxer shorts in my

746
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: single when I was wrestling. Not a good idea. Look

747
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: like I was wearing a diaper. You can't take your

748
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: boxer because then you're just straight. Did you get laughed off?

749
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: The mat Yeah, I feel like my brother was on

750
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: the teen's and just after I was just like, holy ship,

751
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Man? I was like, yeah, they

752
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: are bunching a little bit. I'll go lie to you anyway,

753
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: back to Passion for Life. It's like going to switch subjects.

754
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: These black good meat chunks on amazing. So who's gonna

755
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: go first and have a piece of pizza? Like, who's

756
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: gonna like think? Maybe Sam? You go, and then Jason

757
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: I will describe you eating it. I'm really going to

758
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: enjoy this. Um. He's going deep. He's pulling it out.

759
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: He looks excited. That's not even that media of a piece.

760
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: A little disappointed in you. That piece of side it is.

761
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: Oh he's putting two pieces together, sandwich in it. Unbelievable.

762
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: Nobody saw this coming. Oh yeah, he's going two pieces

763
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: that well. Friends, you can less time off the mike too.

764
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: You're doubling up. You're doubling up. See. Sam has always

765
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: been a thinker. That's what I don't get to wear. Sam.

766
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: You don't get to like a semi homeless Instagram star

767
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: by just not being an innovator. That's Sam. It was

768
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: a halftime update. You're halfway through. What's so, how you

769
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: feeling this is delicious? Yeah? Yeah, and that is true.

770
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: You don't get to where I am without having lots

771
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: of ideas. That's a good and good not bad. That's

772
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: a good bad idea. That's probably a good time to

773
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: talk about conservation, UM, particularly sheep hunting and hunters, because

774
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: I want to talk to as many people as I

775
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: can about this, especially yourself and eat some people like

776
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: Grey Thornton, who who is the CEO, is the CEO

777
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: and president and CEO's a good man. UM and we'll

778
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: podcast with him later this week. Um. We got one

779
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: guy eating pizza. We got one guy Jason second break

780
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: to drink his beer. Sam says, about two thirds away

781
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: people are riveted right now. Guaranteed they should be special. Uh,

782
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: pizza works. I feel like I have myself. I am

783
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: not conflicted on sheep hunting, sheep hunters and conservation, Like

784
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: there's some nuanced things that I that I've had to

785
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: think through over my time and and seeing kind of

786
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: what conservation does for the animal, but also separated from

787
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: the motivation, the general motivation of the regular sheep hunter,

788
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, and the fact that sheep hunting is expensive.

789
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: It's it's for a small amount of people and can

790
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: be labeled as elitist, if you'd like to think about

791
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: it that way. So I imagine I say all that

792
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: to say, Like, my question is if someone were to

793
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: say to you, all sheep hunters are trophy hunters and

794
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: the conservation is some kind of veiled attempt to you know,

795
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: allow trophy hunting to continue, but just pay into conservation

796
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: as a way to you know, shields your true intent.

797
00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: What would you tell him? You know, I'd tell them

798
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: that they should thank everybody for the efforts that have

799
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: been done because there's been nobody else out there doing

800
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: a damn thing. I would tell them that all funding

801
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: for sheep ah for wild sheep in North America is

802
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: funded by the Wild Sheep Foundation. And you know, I

803
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: didn't understand until recently talking to Gray, talking to Kevin Hurley,

804
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: wild sheep cannot They're not a hearty enough animal to

805
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: live on their own through the um the system that's

806
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: put in place by state and federal agents agencies. Right now,

807
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: there's not enough funding that comes in for the demand

808
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: needed to keep and put wild cheap on the mountain.

809
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: They're an expensive animal, you know, and I tell people

810
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: all the time, like you would like to believe that,

811
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's all just God's creation. When you drive

812
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: down the road and you see a deer off the side,

813
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: or you see a bighorn sheep, uh, you know sign

814
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: flashing on the side. But man, there's a lot of

815
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: a lot of human you know, interaction to make sure

816
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: those animals are there and and wild sheep are the

817
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: pinnacle of that. Um. You know, I would say you're

818
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: right in the fact that I do think a lot

819
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: of people look at it as expensive and elitists. But dude,

820
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: look at me. I mean, I'm not rich by any means,

821
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: and I've had the opportunity to hunt those beautiful things

822
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: twice in my life by putting in my what's a

823
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: cost now in Montana like ten bucks application? I mean unfortunately,

824
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: like my biggest expense was film permits, you know, for

825
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: the whole entire thing. Um. So it's like to say,

826
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: you've got you know, you've got to have you got

827
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: to buy the sheep tag for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

828
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: Will Thank goodness there are men out there with that

829
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: kind of opportunity to do that. But no, you don't

830
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: need to be that. I mean, and the Wild Sheep

831
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: continues to be innovative in the way they like the

832
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: less Than One Club. You know, you become a member

833
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: of the less Than One Club. That's about your best

834
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to draw a sheep tag in your life and

835
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: always make a joke fit. It's less a joke and

836
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: more reality that you go to the Wild Cheap Convention,

837
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: which is like awesome fun, it's so great of of

838
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: that community of people. You just like go to the

839
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: urinal taking a picture like Generald, why does sheep hunt? Like?

840
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: You go around the corner like another sheep phuint you

841
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: enter to win and you're like, really, this is if

842
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: it was elitist, it wouldn't be this. Yeah, and the

843
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: people you know are winning his hunts and that's what

844
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: gets you there and and yeah, no, and beyond you know,

845
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: the state draws and and all that. There is the

846
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: Wild Cheap and there are those up aratunities. I mean,

847
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm a member. I'm a lifetime member of the Wild

848
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: Cheap Foundation just for that. They draw a sheep on

849
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: every year for a life member. You know, when you

850
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: look at those odds, pretty good odds, then totally I mean.

851
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: And then I'm a member of the Montana Wild Cheap Foundation.

852
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: They draw a sheep hunt every year for a life member.

853
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 1: Then I'm a member of the Chadwick Ram Society, which

854
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: for every two and fifty dollars you donate to Chadwick

855
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: Ram Society, your name's put in the hat to win

856
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: a stone sheep hunt. So you know, say what you will.

857
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: But I'm an active participant in as much of this

858
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: I put in for Wyoming, I put in for other states.

859
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm an active participant. There's a lot of

860
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: upfront cost with some of this, but man, it pays

861
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: dividends on into the future, you know. And and um,

862
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: getting back to wild sheep, I mean, they're just so fragile. Um.

863
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: Without the funding that amen through the you know, the

864
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: Wild Cheap and these tag sales that are auctioned off

865
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: every year, you know, our opportunities as Montana residents, you know,

866
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: would just dwindle. We've got a hundred and twenty six

867
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: I think tags right now that we can draw for

868
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: and without the say half a million dollars every year

869
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: that comes in from these sales, you know, it would

870
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: go to whatever a hundred tags and then seventy five

871
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: tags and then fifty and so I always try to

872
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: have these conversations with as many people as I can

873
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: and say, look, don't hate on that guy. Man. Without

874
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: that guy, we wouldn't even have the chance to put

875
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: in for these areas. And to your to your point,

876
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: it's easy to say, you look at that one tag

877
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: that went for half a million bucks, but well, no

878
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: regular hunter can get that. But to your point, you

879
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: live in Montana, you live in places where sheep or present,

880
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: you have chances. You know, they're limited chances, as they

881
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: should be because the animal is fragile. And you know

882
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: these are biologists, wildfologist calling shots. Here's somebody you can

883
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: kill this year. And so I think that's that's the

884
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: point that needs to be made. Well, one thing I always,

885
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: you know, also ran into this. I had another person

886
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: right in specifically about sheep hunting that said, uh, it's

887
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: an old white man's game. What he's talking about, It's

888
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: an old white man's game. And it went back to

889
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: the money thing. I was like, well, just rich guys

890
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: can do it. Only rich guys can do it, that's all.

891
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: It is, just rich gas Like one, you need those

892
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: rich guys. But too. It's not that's not true. I

893
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: mean I've only ever lived in Montana my whole life.

894
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: I know of other opportunities and things, but to get

895
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: to it, Montana has an has unlimited cheap areas. If

896
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: you put in you will get the sheep tag. You

897
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: can oceep hunting now on every single year once that

898
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: quote has been met. Now, if you kill a ram,

899
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: you're taken out for your seven years. But you can

900
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: go hunt sheep with the tag in your pocket every

901
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: single year in Montana if that's what you want to do.

902
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: And once those one or two rams are killed in

903
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: those units, they shut it down. But you know that

904
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: is not a rich man's sport. I know so many people,

905
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: not not so many, but you know a good grip

906
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: of people out of Bozeman that do that unlimited thing

907
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: every year, and they love it. They love the challenge.

908
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: They love to just know they hold the sheep tag

909
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: for ten years to go on one sheep hunt. They

910
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: can hunt every year. They can look at rams, they

911
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: can make stocks, they can you know, they can be

912
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: sheep hunting. You know you live in uh like British Columbia,

913
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: residents can hunt cheap every single year. Alaska residents have

914
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: a lot of great opportunities to hunt sheeps. So I mean,

915
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: it's how bad do you want it? You know, don't

916
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: say that move to Alaska to Canada well and sorry,

917
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean it just takes. Yeah, sheep aren't everywhere in

918
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: North America and that's the biggest challenge. I wish they were.

919
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: I wish Wild Sheep Foundation wishes they were. You know,

920
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: there's such an awesome animal. Once you have the chance

921
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: to spend time with them, You're like, man, if more

922
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: people had the time to spend with these things, they

923
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: they'd love them. They they'd care about them more, you know,

924
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: because they're for everybody. They're not just for the guy

925
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: that draws the tech there. Everybody's to enjoy. You know,

926
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: what is it about? You know, if you look at

927
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: the you know, if you're just judging what's on their

928
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: heads and the charismatic nature of the animal, you pick

929
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, wild sheep are in the terrain they

930
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: live in is magnificent. But the animal that they are,

931
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: you can find something with the bigger set animals on

932
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: top of its head, you certainly find something that's you

933
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: know that in the rut is a little more interesting

934
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: to hunt, Like, do you think if if wild sheep

935
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: did some sort of a bugle or a roar like

936
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: the button the head thing. When we got to see

937
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: that when we were scouting in August. I mean, of all,

938
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't even close to the rut and they were

939
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: still clashing heads Like that was pretty cool that. No

940
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: I had no idea how far that noise carried. It

941
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: just pops. Yeah, I mean we were looking at sheep

942
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: that were over a mile away and it was like

943
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: someone's sat next to you to clap their hands. Yeah, yeah,

944
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: so I mean when and that's that's just it. Like

945
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: I spent so much time with them this fall. I

946
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: gained a whole new respect for him. Like you say

947
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: this until you have a chance to be around him

948
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: and then there it's like watching uh college rugby team

949
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: out on Main Street down at the bars every night.

950
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: Like it's like I feel like it's watching like the

951
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: men men of nature. Like they are always fighting, They're

952
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: always like pushing on each other. They're always like kicking

953
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: each other in the balls. They're always doing just messing

954
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: with each other. And they're they're just like bodybuilders out there,

955
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, I bring that all up, just

956
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: because it's annoying to me that some of the things

957
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: you hear being a kid from the East Coast, like

958
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: that's how that's how it's portrayed. It's like sheep hunters,

959
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: the western elitists. Yeah. Um, And for anybody listening, just

960
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: just freaking listen, do your research and understand and also

961
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: understand that there there's a deeper reason why people appreciate

962
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: sheep the way they do. It's not just because they've

963
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: got big curling horns coming out of their heads. Because again,

964
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: there are many animals that are that are you know,

965
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: if you're just looking at the look of an animal

966
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: and feel of an animal, for many animals that are

967
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: just as impressive. I would say I wanted caribou and

968
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: elk and older and all of them are equally as

969
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: impressive and you betually impressive terrain. So having never sheep

970
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: on it, I would lean all guys like yourself to

971
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: explain to people like, there is this innate feeling around

972
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: these animals because one, they are so delicate, to their

973
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: habitat is so delicate. Um, and there's such a you know,

974
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: there's such a rarity that they do become this like

975
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: hunting royalty that should be a little bit above you know,

976
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: all the other things you might go chase. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

977
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer to saying that it's

978
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: just an old white man's game. I guess probably just

979
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: more where they live, and just you know, you look

980
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: at regions of populations and that's just where they live,

981
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: you know. I think if they lived in more places,

982
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: they'd be viewed differently. But unfortunately they're so fragile. They

983
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: take such a specific habitat need to make it that

984
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: there's just not tons of those areas in North America.

985
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: And trust me, like Wild Sheep Kevin, all those guys

986
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: worked really hard to try to find the best areas

987
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: to move new populations in to open up new tag opportunities.

988
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Um it says it in the film, and don't quote me,

989
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: but you know it's basically just under five thousand dollars

990
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: of sheep. Yeah, I mean the translocation just in of itself,

991
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: the things that they've done. I mean, I think the

992
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: stories are well told when the elk populations in Kentucky,

993
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania place like that sheep less So I mean to

994
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: some extent, but less, you know, really less storied than

995
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: those places. Yeah. Um, and you've seen a lot like

996
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: your films coming out. There's a film that I work

997
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: with Ben Masters and Adam Fast and Charles post On

998
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: about reintroducing uh, those same sheep to Texas in their

999
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: native range. And you learn a lot from that, and

1000
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: you learn that we are the reason that they're not

1001
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: here anymore. And so why not you know, of all,

1002
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just hunters. Hunters didn't kill all

1003
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: the sheep in Texas. Uh, He's like ranchers that put

1004
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: domestic sheep there and spread disease. Really, you know, then

1005
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: you gotta habitat fragmentation of different things. I've had to

1006
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: go on. So it's not just a hunter going in

1007
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: and killing them or not just marketing killing. There's a

1008
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: lot of things that that caused that to happen. So

1009
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: you've got to understand that. You know, as much as

1010
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: we're it fault, how many groups other than hunters have

1011
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: taken up the charge too to put these things back

1012
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: where they belong and to care for him. Well, that's

1013
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: just it. I mean, that's why I say, like two

1014
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: people that say it's selfish, I mean, I think you know,

1015
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: there may be is a little bit of selfish aspect

1016
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: to every bit of wildlife conservation. But you know, like

1017
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: we said in Project Out, we shouldn't apologize for it.

1018
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: Look at what it's done. Look what the numbers have done.

1019
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: Look there's no other system in place, there's no other

1020
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: better conservation method across the world. And it's not just

1021
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: hunters will get to enjoy him. Everybody who drove up

1022
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: and down the Gallant and Canyon today got to enjoy that.

1023
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: So you know, there is always a little bit of

1024
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: self serving ness with it, but it's not for big animals,

1025
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: it's not for you know, it's just for the greater

1026
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: good of the herds and making sure that that when

1027
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: my kids kids have a chance to drive up the

1028
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: Gallant And Canyon, hopefully they get to experience the same

1029
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: thing we did. And you know, it's it's habitat. You know,

1030
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: we live in a world where everything's at our fingertips

1031
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: and everything is manufactured and fake, and well, habitats not

1032
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: and it can't be manufactured. And when it's gone, it's gone.

1033
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: And uh, that's why it's awesome that sam And has

1034
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: taken you know, this awareness to make sure that you know,

1035
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: keep the public lands. We have public because we got

1036
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good right hair, better than anybody else,

1037
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: and it'd be a shame to see all that go away. Yeah,

1038
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, there's not like not worried

1039
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: about roads going away. Check the roads, right, But when

1040
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: wilderness goes away, sure we could likely get it back,

1041
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: but it won't be the same. You know, as soon

1042
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: as it's fract as soon as it's mind, as soon

1043
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: as it's that resource has changed forever. And how many

1044
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: how many of the things that we talked about, you know,

1045
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: Sam can can tell you this, especially from yeah, you know,

1046
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: your family's political background. It was like, how many times

1047
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: are we blind the fact that we are fixing a

1048
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: problem that we created? You know, we're even in the

1049
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: honey community, was like, we're celebrating this thing, but it's

1050
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: only because we've funked it up, not we, but three

1051
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: generations of humans again just unregulation and yeah, yeah, and

1052
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: it's not knowing how fragile the resource truly was absolutely yeah,

1053
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: And so I think that's like when you talk about

1054
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: fragile habitat, that's where it's like the reality is a

1055
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: forest fire burns to replace You're like, oh, I see

1056
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: oh crap, I see glaciers proceed. You got to Glacier

1057
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: National Park and watch that go down. You're like, whoa,

1058
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: I get this. Now, that's a tangible way to understand

1059
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: this the change totally. You know, well, the forest fire

1060
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: is different than a glacier as to like, not that

1061
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: you don't know that, but like, forest fires are painful

1062
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: to watch and to see this beautiful landscape get ripped apart.

1063
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: But then you're like, back, yeah, it's almost the it's

1064
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: almost the natural opposite of glacier because that glaciers likely

1065
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: and are in our time not coming back. Yeah, the

1066
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: fact that Glacier National Park won't have any glaciers at

1067
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, And they're and they're actively like saying

1068
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: that the folks, Okay, come on over, you got about

1069
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: three years, you know, give me some ice cubes up

1070
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: there or something like that. Right. Yeah, But all those

1071
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: things are just signified the way the landscapes change and

1072
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: the way that we should be as humans. We should

1073
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: be like, well, let's identify those changes and figure out

1074
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: how do we can do it, which is a good

1075
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: way that she hunters have have taken it up to,

1076
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: like we we desire to to chase and kill the

1077
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: most mature animal. In fact, we've just we've we now

1078
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: understand how to and you spend a lot of time

1079
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: studying this, as you were saying, we now understand how

1080
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: to figure that out, how to figure out by looking

1081
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: at an animal exactly how old it is, and then

1082
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: are our state wild Bob just have told us it's

1083
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: got to be that old. If not, that's that's that's

1084
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: a a lee goal is shooting a one year old,

1085
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: for sure. And so all those things I think are

1086
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: just a big part of why I've heard more negative

1087
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: about sheep hunting that I care to count. And it

1088
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: just irks me every time. It's like, if you just

1089
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: just stop and listen and look and read, you'll soon

1090
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: come to find that the easily marketable tag is not

1091
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: any part of the story. It's one tiny little part

1092
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: of it that can easily be flipped. But what can't

1093
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: be easily flipped is what Great Thornton and the Wild

1094
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: Sheep Foundation are doing and what you're helping promote. Yeah,

1095
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: for sure. Now it's a collaborative effort, for sure, and

1096
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: it's it's cool to see, I mean, yeah, sheep at

1097
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: one time where you know, as far as we could tell,

1098
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: we're in the millions in population, and then like way

1099
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: down in the you know, fifty thousand, just seventy thousand

1100
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: and somewhere in there. And and once we recognized how

1101
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: fragile they were and started putting this conservation foot forward

1102
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 1: and started relocating animals, and I mean we're threefold where

1103
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: we were only years ago on cheap population. So yeah,

1104
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean, unregulated hunting, disease spread from domestic livestock, A

1105
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: lot of things played that factor. But you know, I

1106
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: just don't think we understood how fragile everything was even

1107
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. You know, you start to realize how

1108
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: everything of an impact it has when you do change

1109
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: even one thing. Yeah, yeah, and it is up to

1110
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: all of us to take care of it. And well,

1111
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: the romantic idea is just to let everything self regulate, right,

1112
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: you'd like, you'd you'd like to believe that nature can

1113
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: just take care of itself, but that would be excluding

1114
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: us from nature. And so you always have to realize

1115
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: that because we're part of it, and because we have

1116
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: screwed things up, like, we need to do a lot

1117
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: to help fix that problem. Even though fifty years from now,

1118
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: we might go, remember when we thought we fixed that problem,

1119
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: but we screwed this up. Now we gotta fix I mean,

1120
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. You look back at every generation. Every

1121
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: generation of humans looks back at the other generation like idiots, smoking,

1122
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: well pregnant dummies. Every generation looks back, and so if

1123
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: we're smart enough, we could identify the things we're doing

1124
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: right now that would a couple of years from now

1125
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: you look back and you're like, oh, definitely, prescription medicine

1126
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: and fast food. You guys are dumb. Why were you

1127
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: doing that, idiots? I think that's the cool part about conservation.

1128
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: Conservation organizations like Wild Cheap Is. I think all of

1129
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: them are now more forward thinking when they start to

1130
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: implement plans of you know, whether it be habit habitat

1131
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: restoration or you know, whatever it might be. I think

1132
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: they're starting to look a lot, you know, looking into

1133
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: the past of what we've done wrong, and then looking

1134
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: way further into future like what we need to do

1135
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: to get there. So yeah, sure, it's a good time

1136
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: to shift to another film that you guys did together

1137
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: this time, well how the other films together as well,

1138
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: But um it was called both sides of the fence.

1139
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: What was the official title other side of the fence,

1140
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: both of the fence, UM, Sam, tell me what that

1141
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: was about. So we did a collaboration UM a little

1142
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: bit surrounding the bus project, a little bit surrounding UM.

1143
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: You know, Jason is going to go to the US

1144
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: the facilities and I'm gonna eat a piece of pizza water,

1145
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: I'll start talking. Give me about three minutes to eat

1146
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: this pizza. Sam. Yeah, So we did a collaboration to

1147
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: UM kind of talk about what I was up to

1148
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: with the bus project and public lands and the importance

1149
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: of public lands, and then combining that with the issue

1150
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: of UM kind of where kind of where we've gone

1151
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: in the hunting industry today that anytime somebody you know,

1152
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: takes an animal, everyone always asked the question what was

1153
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: that public or private? And this kind of in fighting

1154
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: that we have now like that some for some reason,

1155
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, shooting in the same animal on private land

1156
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean as much as shooting an animal on public land.

1157
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: And so we wanted to dive into that a little

1158
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: bit and and kind of look at it from both well,

1159
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean, both sides of the fence. The name of

1160
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: the film, But we wanted to look at it from

1161
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: both angles and show that we need public land and

1162
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: we need private land and both need to co exist

1163
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: together because without private land, you have no uh A

1164
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: lot of times you wouldn't have a sanctuary for herds

1165
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: of animals. UM. Late season, you wouldn't have sanctuary for animals.

1166
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 1: When you know gun season starter, you know when there's

1167
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters and entering the woods during archery season, UM,

1168
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: you have a lot of animals shift onto places where

1169
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: they can stay safe, the herd can grow bigger. But

1170
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: you also need public land for people to be able

1171
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: to access um enjoy you know, the things that are

1172
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: like you know, people like Teddy Roosevelt and stuff that

1173
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: put in place, but also to access to those places

1174
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: and manage the herds UM. And you can do that

1175
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: without paying anything. It's just being a us or been,

1176
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean, just coming here. You have access to all

1177
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: of that land. So we wanted to look at it

1178
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: from both angles and and show that both are important

1179
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: and we need both. And it's not like it doesn't

1180
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: matter if you hunt private land or public land. It

1181
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you hunt with a gun or a boat.

1182
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You know, whatever you do, it's just

1183
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: what you do, and it all needs to co exist together.

1184
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: Do you imagine that just the because public land has

1185
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: become super trendy, Yeah, yeah, super trendy, Like part of

1186
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: that is good and part of that is bad. You know,

1187
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: we've we've we've seen you know, real, I mean all

1188
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm heavily involved. H A. Obviously you are. Yeah, obviously

1189
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: you're involved with Wild Cheap and Army f and in

1190
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: BJ and a bunch of other organizations. Like everybody's sitting

1191
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: at this table as hey, we have a little street

1192
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: cred when it comes to this conversation. But there's plenty

1193
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: of people who are just trying to sell widgets by

1194
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: stamping public lands on them because people will buy it, which,

1195
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: like you said, it's not the worst thing in the world,

1196
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: certainly not something I would lobby against, but it is

1197
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: something that I would bring up. Is like, Hey, let's

1198
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: have this conversation in a honest way. This public land

1199
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: is cool because it's a great feeling, because it's nice

1200
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: back public lands, it's all of ours. It's great, it's

1201
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: American freedom. Or are willing to roll our seas up

1202
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: and go to work on it like what what public

1203
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: land means. So I appreciate that idea about let's understand

1204
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: the totality of especially even driving down the Gallatin River,

1205
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: you go from private land to national forest in the canyon,

1206
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: driving up the Big Sky, I mean, anywhere you go

1207
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: in Montana, that's what you encounter. And I think that's

1208
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: why it gave us a chance to We've dealt with

1209
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: it our whole lives. I mean, there is places you

1210
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: can go and different animals require different hunts, you know. Um,

1211
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: but we've dealt with checkerboarded properties, we've dealt with property lines,

1212
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: we've dealt with you know. And thank goodness for on

1213
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: X to be able to really allow us to know

1214
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: exactly where we're at so we don't end up on

1215
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: the wrong side of where we shouldn't be or whatever.

1216
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: But it, uh, yeah, I think it's it's just and

1217
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: when you grow up around the farmers and the ranchers

1218
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: and and you know you're part of them, and they're

1219
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: part of you in the community, and you see what

1220
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: good they do, and you know, you see what good

1221
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 1: people they are. You know, all private land is different.

1222
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: And we made that point in the film. It's not

1223
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: all gonna be like going and hunting like the White Mountain,

1224
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: Apache Indian Reservation or the play you know, like Ted

1225
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: Turner's ranch just down at the base of the Gallon

1226
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: Canyon that's got great hunting. I mean, I think the

1227
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: misconception is a lot of people think, oh, private land,

1228
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: it's uh, there's just big stuff. There's just animals everywhere.

1229
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: The opportunity is abundant. And when you live in a

1230
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: place like Montana, you have this grand scale of private

1231
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 1: land just like public land where I mean, I know

1232
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: private land that the fact that you can drive everywhere,

1233
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: and the fact that you can you know, and these

1234
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: people allow anybody to come and hunt. I mean, it

1235
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: is far worse off than just walking a little ways

1236
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: onto public I'll get into way more stuff there, you know.

1237
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: So just to say your own private doesn't mean there's

1238
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: just vast herds like the savannah out there when you

1239
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: walk out. Now, there are ranches that are, but there's

1240
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: this whole sliding scale in the middle. Some allow one hunters,

1241
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: some allow five hundreds, some allow the family. Some you know,

1242
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm in and it's all different. And trust me, like

1243
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: hunting public land in Montana is the same I've got

1244
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: great public land spots, and I've got spots that used

1245
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: to be good that aren't. And it's just constantly shifting.

1246
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: And I think if you look at you know, the

1247
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: success of a hunt or the quality of a hunt

1248
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: by what side of the fence that animal is standing on.

1249
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to say you're missing it,

1250
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: because everybody's out there for different reasons. But man, that's

1251
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: not why i'm there. I'm there to enjoy the experience.

1252
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm there to learn about the animals, submerse myself in

1253
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: their world. Here the elk, bugles, smell the smells, get

1254
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: these close encounters, and man, I'll tell you it's never

1255
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: when you get close to an elk, my heartbeats just

1256
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: the damn same, no matter what side of the fence.

1257
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 1: That if you're somehow calmed at the moment, then elks

1258
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: in your face, there's something wrong with you. We got

1259
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: to talk you a serial, yeah, because that's a you

1260
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: know and like and like we It comes down to

1261
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: a numbers game too. I mean, our percentage is a

1262
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: population is so low now we're almost irrelevant in society,

1263
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: sadly enough. And when you look at I think the

1264
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: most recent number we could come up with was from

1265
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen a study that was done on the

1266
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: number of private land versus public and at that time

1267
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: I think the number was thirteen point four million hunters

1268
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: in the US, and of those thirteen points for only

1269
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: one point two million of them hunted exclusively on public land.

1270
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: So if we're going to break it down to you're

1271
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,560
Speaker 1: only a real hunter if you hunt on public land exclusively,

1272
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: and we want to cast aside the other twelve point

1273
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: two millions hunt on public lands exclusive are elitist. There,

1274
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, only one point two million of you. It's

1275
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: a little club. You won't let anybody else in your assholes.

1276
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: It's just a fact. Well it's just you know, like

1277
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: I was having a good friend a conversation with a

1278
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: good friend of mine the other day, David Brinker, we

1279
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: all know him, and he goes, how would you look

1280
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: at me? Am I a private land hunter a public

1281
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: land hunter? And I said, you do both? Think is exactly.

1282
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be so many people you ask,

1283
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: but it's become so trendy and so uncool to not say,

1284
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: d I Y did it myself. Public land fourteen miles

1285
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: in basically killed myself. I just don't get it, you know.

1286
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: I look at guys like my dad who have been

1287
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: doing it forever. Are we just not going to call

1288
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: him a hunter now because he can't hike into the

1289
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: back country and killing now that guy has forgot more

1290
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: about six cigars during this private life. My lungs are

1291
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: killing me. Man barely make it. It's a good It's

1292
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: an interesting topic because it comes back to a purity

1293
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: score we're talking about again, Like I've hunted on some

1294
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: private land where I felt like the scenario was such

1295
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: that I should have done more work to earn the

1296
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: thing that I got. So that's one thing that's one

1297
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: private land. That's a little bit more prevalent on private land,

1298
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 1: and there's on public land just because the nature of

1299
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: the thing. But if you have an ideal and you

1300
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: go out in the in the on the mountain or

1301
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: in the woods and say this is the thing that

1302
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: i'm looking for, here's my ten out of ten purity score,

1303
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go after it, you'd be foolish to

1304
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: be like, I'm only going to do public land. I'm

1305
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 1: only going to do You'd be foolish if the opportunity

1306
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: comes up to achieve the thing you're looking for. Who

1307
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: the hell cares? Who owns it? Who cares? I Like

1308
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: I said, it's easier to have reverence for public land

1309
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: because it is such a you know, majestic idea, and

1310
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: it's an American ideal and all the things like that.

1311
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, But so is private land. So is homesteading.

1312
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: So it is setting out and and being lucky enough

1313
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 1: to find some land, and being lucky enough to then

1314
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: own that land and to grow that land and manage

1315
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: that land and have a wonderful heart animals on that land,

1316
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: and then being able as the landowners are select who

1317
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: gets to enjoy that privilege? That's just as beautiful. So

1318
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: well with you guys like Shane Mahoney has said before

1319
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: told us in Phoenix that you know, he's like, private

1320
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: land is the new frontier for conservation. And I think

1321
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: that's just about as simple and clean as he is

1322
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: so good at doing that, you could say it because

1323
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: you think about what if we were only given say

1324
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: we just like completely eliminate private land guys from the equation,

1325
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: and we're only given public lands to manage our wildlife on.

1326
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean that would be a disaster to try to

1327
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 1: get everybody on the same page. It's not possible. So

1328
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: what you know it, I'll tell you though, you know

1329
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: you're right, there's this level there is nothing more warning, yes,

1330
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: then busting your ass for what you get. Now, that's

1331
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: not to be said. You can't do that on private

1332
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: that I think there's there's where the issue comes, like

1333
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: it's at the end of the day. That's how you

1334
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: feel what's happened there. Like I said, I've had some

1335
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: some private land hunts that were guided that I felt like, man,

1336
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: this okay, yep, I'm glad I get to solve this

1337
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: place and I'll get to eat this animal's flesh and

1338
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: it's all good. All that's good. Like my purity score

1339
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 1: is like a four. Yeah, you just didn't feel like

1340
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: you really earned it. Yeah, And I didn't get a

1341
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 1: sense of the place, really a sense of the animal

1342
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: like I thought I should have. That's the way I

1343
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: felt when I hunted Africa. Yeah, I was just there

1344
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: and there's animals running everywhere. You have no idea where

1345
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: they bed, where water is, where they feed, what they

1346
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: feed on, what times a day they like to move.

1347
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: You're just I'm completely lost and was it an awesome

1348
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: experience with my dad? Was it like triple the lifetime? Hell?

1349
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeaut was? But was like the sense that I got

1350
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 1: from killing my kudu the same as you know, Sam

1351
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: and I bust and are asked to get a shot

1352
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: into nilk. It's not that same, you know, you just

1353
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you earned it because you didn't

1354
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: understand why you're there. You're put there because well, it's

1355
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 1: like hunting to Walmart. They're like, well down, They're like,

1356
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: well fuck that. I'd like to just walk around and

1357
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: find one. They're like, well no, we go drive over

1358
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: to the giraffe paddock. There's no fences, but the funder's

1359
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: there right over there. They tend to like tall trees

1360
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: and there's only seven of them. But that's that's how

1361
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: I felt. In Africa. I felt the same way. I

1362
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: just felt like I was hunting some kind of damn

1363
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: like marketing ploy. Yeah, not all is a damn continent,

1364
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 1: right right. We don't talk about I always say, like,

1365
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: we don't talk about North America like that, like a

1366
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: North America hun that's not a bit. Yeah I was was.

1367
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: It just didn't give me that, Yeah, I was the

1368
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: same way, and not that you know, there's places in

1369
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: the previous strip where you feel like you're in it

1370
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: man um. But where I was was like, okay, I

1371
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: see like and you may even doing New Zealand at all.

1372
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: I have not. That's bucket list though, Sam, and I

1373
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: know a spot, yes we do, and I can check

1374
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: that thing off like the same one I've been down

1375
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 1: there in In Africa and New Zealand especially, it seemed

1376
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,719
Speaker 1: to me like they have harvested like the worst ideals

1377
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: of our hunting culture and just sold it back to us.

1378
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 1: They're just like, hey, you wanna you're in Africa, you

1379
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: want to come kill a list of creatures that you

1380
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: have no idea about and will learn nothing about really

1381
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: unless you really push us. Come on, well, so each one,

1382
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: each one of them has a cost fact and you

1383
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: can kill as many as you want conservation. I don't

1384
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, but that New Zealand same way, like, hey,

1385
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: come kill a stick, that's what you're here to kill.

1386
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: And I think less Africa more New Zealand in that sense.

1387
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: New Zealand has this like breath of public places and

1388
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: even private ranches where you can have great experiences that

1389
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: what's sold to you is not quite what's there. In Africa,

1390
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 1: they just they're the entire thing is to value the

1391
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: animals through the dollars. So they are selling, selling, selling,

1392
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: up up selling, selling again to get that value, which

1393
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: is important to them. So both those places, like you're

1394
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: kind of they kind of oversell what's there, and you can't.

1395
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: You gotta kind of erase that and get down to

1396
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: the freaking actual you know, what was actually happening to

1397
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: for me, get the purity score high enough to enjoy

1398
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: the damn Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's a business to them.

1399
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: They got a certain amount of time to run people through,

1400
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: and they've figured out how to do it. You know,

1401
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: you don't get to spend twenty eight days on the

1402
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: mountain Nanimal trying to figure them out, you know, yeahs

1403
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: or twenty one days and not shoot something. Yeah, yeah,

1404
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: which was my elk season, our elk season. I should say, yeah.

1405
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how long twenty one days

1406
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: hunting is. That's long. It's long. That's it's long. That yeah,

1407
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: But you just keep thinking, you know, it's like golf,

1408
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: like I just didn't I wouldn't putting good today, but

1409
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: tomorrow if I get the putting down best, Yeah, I

1410
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: want to get the girl out of his green tack

1411
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: at this time. Eventually it's all going to come together.

1412
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: Just one day. That's what keeps you wake up before

1413
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 1: in the morning you're like, well, day, it's like a

1414
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: lion hunting I had, you know, one year. I remember

1415
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: I was in it, like twenty three days straight checking

1416
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: canyons and no tracks, and I'm like, I can't stop.

1417
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if I miss one day, that's going to

1418
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: be the day he crosses and I'm gonna miss it.

1419
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: And it just kept going and going and going, and

1420
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: finally we ended up finding a cat. But man, you're

1421
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: just getting this groove of like, I'm so committed and

1422
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, we've put all this in and we do

1423
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: have more time, and there just might be that chance. Yeah,

1424
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 1: the rut, you know, might be winded down, but you

1425
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: find that one bowl and it's just those little things

1426
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: that just keep you wanting to chase it right to

1427
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: the end. But the difference between you know, not good

1428
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: and bad, but that's just just the difference between that

1429
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: ultimate like you have that persistent nature throughout your entire

1430
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: hunting life You're eventually going to stumble into some greatness,

1431
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: you know, at least what's perceived greatness, you know, some

1432
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: giant animals somewhere because you were there and nobody else was,

1433
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: you know. That's yeah. I've always said, like, I'm not

1434
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: like successful because I'm the greatest hunter and make all

1435
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: the best moves. I just just time in the field.

1436
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: Eventually things come together, you know, and being lucky enough

1437
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: to have that time in the field. Yeah, that's something

1438
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: not a lot of people get. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1439
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 1: I don't take it for granted me either. Well as pizza,

1440
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: there's well cold, but it's still it still looks so good.

1441
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't starting to look like sheep meat balls the

1442
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: same we got Ronella likes to called concluders. Sam. Do

1443
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: you have any uh conclusions from this conversation. I feel

1444
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: like we covered I mean, we we went real deep

1445
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: just on life, and we covered a lot of stuff

1446
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: about conservation. I think kind of take away from this

1447
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: whole thing is just well, I mean, on the life side,

1448
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: like just find what you're passionate about and go after

1449
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: it and just keep allowing those opportunities to happen. And

1450
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: on the conservation side, of things. I think what we're

1451
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: trying to do a good job of is just raise

1452
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: awareness about the possibilities for people to be involved in

1453
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 1: this type of thing. And now the next step is

1454
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: for everybody listening to go out there and do a

1455
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: little res which on their own and just become part

1456
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: of the solution to helping, you know, make herds better

1457
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: and make hunting better, and um help the community as

1458
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: a whole, hunting community as a whole come together. I

1459
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: think that's the next step for them, Like we can't

1460
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: do what we can you know, talk, we can be

1461
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, be its death. Like people need to be involved,

1462
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: but it comes down to the every person individually, you know,

1463
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: going out there and doing what they need to do

1464
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: to Yeah, save these types of things for future generations.

1465
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: Give what you can. You may not have all the

1466
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: money or all the time, but give the money in

1467
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: the time that you can, whether it's tiny little bits

1468
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: here and there, every every amount counts. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it kind of goes down to the analogy. Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, if I were to

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Speaker 1: like want to take a rock or stick or something,

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Speaker 1: my mom would say, what if everybody in the world

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Speaker 1: took a stick. Would there be any sticks left? You know,

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's kind of the same thing. What

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Speaker 1: if everybody in the world just did a little bit

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Speaker 1: make a huge difference, you know. That's that's it. And

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Speaker 1: I just feel lucky to be here, appreciate the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to talk to you guys, and it's been a pleasure

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Speaker 1: and really looking forward to the rest of the weekend. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we're This is Thursday. We're into were damn hear

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Speaker 1: in a Friday morning? Now we have we have crossed it.

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Speaker 1: We've crossed into Friday morning. So tomorrow evening we'll be

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Speaker 1: debut in your Circle of Life film Saturday, Saturday. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is tomorrow. We alright here, what's that's up? Now?

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Speaker 1: You got it? You gotta get the last piece of pizza. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: we'll be the debuting that here big sky. Um. And

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Speaker 1: so by the time people hear this that I've already happened.

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Speaker 1: But um, it's gonna be a good event and happy

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Speaker 1: to and there agains just another opportunity to bring people together,

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Speaker 1: celebrated thing that we do that's pretty unique to this

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Speaker 1: place and time, you know, this time because it's the

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Speaker 1: conservation is still fairly new to our humanity, and so

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Speaker 1: is this model of conservation that we have. It's barely

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Speaker 1: unique to this world that we live in. So um,

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Speaker 1: thank you boys for being a part of that. Pretty

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Speaker 1: damn cool. Yeah, I feel lucky. Greg any concluders from you.

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Speaker 1: Greg is full now as shoes are on the bed.

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Speaker 1: He is checked out all right. Thanks to Pizza Works,

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Speaker 1: We're going deep bye. Thank you. That's it. That's all

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Speaker 1: Episode number twenty one in the books. Thanks to Jason

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Speaker 1: Matt Singer, Thanks Sam Soul. Thank you to a boy

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Speaker 1: in the background, Greg pranging out eat pizza late night

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Speaker 1: here in Big Sky. It was a fun conversation. That's

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Speaker 1: what I live for. It gets we pumped up, smart

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Speaker 1: people drinking beer, having a good conversation, and thankfully we

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Speaker 1: get to record it. So episode number twenty one. Hoped

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Speaker 1: you like Episode number twenty two. We're gonna be here

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Speaker 1: in Big Sky again even wise Olympic gold medal skier

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Speaker 1: and the half pipe and then yeat honest tell us

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Speaker 1: from the media crew with Sam Sho joins us once

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Speaker 1: again for episode number twenty two. But before we go

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Speaker 1: this time, I just want to say one thing. And

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Speaker 1: the last episode with Charles post episode or twenty, we

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Speaker 1: mentioned um at the very end briefly that I would

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Speaker 1: be moving to Montana. Now, some folks thought I might

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Speaker 1: be kidding or something notes a month that it might

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Speaker 1: be hopeful, but it turns out it's true, moving to Bozeman,

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Speaker 1: Montana in the coming months. Um. It's a big step

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Speaker 1: for me and my family. We're moving from Texas to Montana.

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Speaker 1: We're excited about that big step and there's other big

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Speaker 1: announcements to come soon what will be the future of

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective and really my career as well, some

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Speaker 1: exciting things. Uh. Hopefully everyone will stick with us as

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Speaker 1: we make those changes that are the only helpful to

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Speaker 1: the podcast, to the platform and the message. Hopefully it'll

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Speaker 1: be exciting to you as it is to me, So

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Speaker 1: we'll keep talking about it. Next time on the huntcluc

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Speaker 1: to see and love in all stand and