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Speaker 1: They might be uncomfortable with his with what he's done,

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Speaker 1: but they're not saying that it has caused for impeachment

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Speaker 1: which is relevant to these this impeachment hearing. But Jack,

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Speaker 1: here's a follow up question, though, Was that for hearings

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Speaker 1: that's kindly one thing. One thing, all right, coming up,

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Speaker 1: coming up. Panel, states Kevin Walling, Jack Kingston. The one

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Speaker 1: place in Washington where you can go and have a

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Speaker 1: level headed conversation about the impeachment saga. Download Bloomberg sound

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cerelli, Chief Washington Correspondent from Bloomberg Television of

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Speaker 1: Chief Washington Correspondent from Bloomberg Television Bloomberg Radio. I'm headed

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Speaker 1: to Ohio tonight, folks, for the Democratic presidential debate kicks

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Speaker 1: off tomorrow. I'll be there. We'll have continuing coverage for

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be broadcasting once again from inside of the

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Speaker 1: debate spin room floor. Twelve candidates, twelve candidates. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see really how all of this impeachments story,

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Speaker 1: to ABC News. There's gonna be a lot to talk through.

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Speaker 1: But will it matter? Will will will you be watching?

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Speaker 1: Let me know? Are you gonna be watching? Are you

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Speaker 1: to follow. Anyway, we'll be following it all. Kevin Wallings here,

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Speaker 1: watching the debate tomorrow. And Jack Kingson's here, former Georgia

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Speaker 1: congressman and Trump twenty campaign circuit Jack, will you be

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Speaker 1: I'm a cord cutter. I will probably cutter. I am

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Speaker 1: I will not go through the whole debate. It's just absurd.

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Speaker 1: I like America, America, Jackingson, I like America. I think

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Speaker 1: capitalism has done a darn. Fine job noticed that I

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Speaker 1: said darn and not something else. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: But um, aside from that, I think I will be

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Speaker 1: your radar? Well? Right now, I do want to finish

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Speaker 1: up one point. Do you impeach the other day? And

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry politicians say they're a friend of mine. You

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Speaker 1: When but when Adam Schiff did that fake monologue, which

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Speaker 1: the right setting. All right, So you've got the impeachment

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Speaker 1: on your mind, They're they're coming back tomorrow. Everybody, I'm

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Speaker 1: getting out. But Kevin, meanwhile, as Christine said, off off,

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Speaker 1: Christine are esteemed executive, As she said, what about U

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Speaker 1: about Syria? That's on your radar? And that's certainly what's

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Speaker 1: That makes me nervous. We're putting these folks back on

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Speaker 1: You know, in this case, he did talk about drawing

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Speaker 1: And President Trump has announced sanctions, continued sanctions against Turkey

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Speaker 1: And the and the Nationals and the national I'm not

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Speaker 1: misrepresent my petly. I gotta tell you what's on my radar.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't anybody care what's on Kevin's radar. I'm kidding. By

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Speaker 1: I'll let you decide. Jack Kingston, thank you, Kevin Walling,

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