1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly show. 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on Ay Wednesday, another 3 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. And here's what you 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: can expect for this hour. I will tell you normally 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: this is more of a political talk show. Of course. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Now clearly we drive the show off the rails and 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: top food and life and the fact that I'm wearing 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: a back brace today and other embarrassing things. And obviously 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: we do talk quite a bit of history on the 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: show because I am a history freak. I love it. 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: I talk about politics and power and anti communism because 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: I feel obligated too, because I feel an obligation, a 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: duty to try to do what I can to save 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: my country. But I will tell you if tomorrow America 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: was saved and fixed and we got everything worked out, 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: I would love to just do a history show every day. 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: I would. I feel obligated to talk about the fights 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: that do matter, and they do matter, So I'm going 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: to keep doing that a lot. But history is what 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: I love. If you're a new listener, I will do 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: this from time to time. You may love it, you 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: may turn off the radio. Doesn't matter. I'm still going 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: to keep doing it. I would just decide that I 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: want to talk about history for a while, and that's 25 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: what I'm about to do. All I know about inflation 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: numbers and everything else, and we'll get to a bunch 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: of that stuff next hour. But for now, we're going 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: to talk about Sola. Lucius Cornelius Sola. He finished his 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: life with one of the great great quotes of all time, 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: a quote I'm not going to give you right now. 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to wait until the end for that one. 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: But first of all, who was Sola? What are we're 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: talking about here? Well, we have to set this up 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: and we have to go to Rome. This is pre 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: Jesus Rome. So there you go, Christian like that, this 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: is pre Jesus. No, seriously, we're talking just I don't 37 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: give out dates and specific things like that because it 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: ruins a story. Just take one hundred years before Christ. 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: It's right around that time. This is before Christ. Now 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: what's going on in Rome at the time? Well, remember Rome? 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: The Rome most people know, not you, but the norms. 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: If you were the norms mostly know the Rome that 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: was ruled by emperors. You ask people about Rome or Romans. 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: Don't think about a dictator like Julius Caesar or one 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 2: of the real monster types Colleguila Nero. That's what most 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: people think Rome is. But Rome was really one of 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 2: the only ones in the ancient world. It began as 48 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: a republic. In fact, they were dead set against any 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: kings or any dictators. They wanted their country to be 50 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: ruled by a group of men. Now, when I say republic, 51 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: you need to not picture America's system. It wasn't quite 52 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: that representative at all. There were classes, strict classes in 53 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: the society, the senate class, the night class. Okay, so 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: it's not as if this was just rom was just 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: free land of the free. 56 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: No, freedom is not free. 57 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: No, no, no no. But it was a republic where 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: they did not have a king. Now, the Romans they 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: understood that every form of government doesn't suit every scenario. 60 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: So they understood, on occasion you kind of need a king. 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: You can't have a legislature debating this, so that you 62 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: got to have one guy picked the right guy, put 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: him in charge temporarily. Hey, you're a dictator, you run 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: the war. As soon as the war's over, you give 65 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: up your power. So they had that system in place, 66 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: but it was a republic and because of that and 67 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: the fact that they're fighting was excellent, their fighting style 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: was excellent. But for that, in a laundry list of reasons, 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: Rome began to grow. Rome began small, obviously, like all 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: nations do. It's just nothing, tiny village, and then they 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: began to grow and kick people's butts, and grow and 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: kick people's butts, and grow and kick people's butts. And 73 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: it's the butt kicking part we need to talk about specifically, 74 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: because here's what was happening in Rome. Rome was getting very, 75 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: very very wealthy as a nation. They were getting wealthy 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: because militarily they were just dominating people. And in the 77 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: ancient world, very much at this time, when you won 78 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: a war against another civilization, you would pillage that civilization. 79 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: Maybe you would just take it completely. Hey we won 80 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: the war, this is Rome now. But if you didn't 81 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: take it completely, forget about just stripping the treasury of everything. 82 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: They'd be taking the gold leafing off the wallpaper. You 83 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 2: would take all the men, women and children, and you 84 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: would use them as slaves. Slavery is insanely lucrative financially 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: and always has been, and it makes sense why it 86 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: would be right slavery is horrific. Yeah, you don't ever 87 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: want to be one, and frankly you should stand against 88 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: the practice, but you understand set aside the morality of it. 89 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: Of course, it would be profitable. Ever talked to a 90 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: business owner, maybe you are a business owner or a manager. 91 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: Have you ever looked at a profit loss sheet? We 92 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: call them p and ls profit loss sheets. You can 93 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: go look one up online. I'm sure there's a million 94 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: examples of them you'll look at. Well, you can look 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: and see how they're broken down. You want to know 96 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 2: what virtually every business owner business manager on the planet, 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: the costs. They're always trying to reduce labor costs. Now 98 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: you can yell and scream about that they don't want 99 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: to pay me. No, No, I get all that. I'm 100 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: not the one that takes the employer's side all the time. 101 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: But that is the big thing that's always dragging you down. Always. 102 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: What if? What if you could reduce those costs down 103 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: to zero. Well, that's what slaves do for you. I 104 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: don't have to pay you, I don't have to worry 105 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: about your complaints. No, you will go work in my 106 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: farmers field, and if not, I'll crucify you in front 107 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: of everybody. So that's how it worked. Slaves are big, big, 108 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: big money, and so Rome. As it began to conquer 109 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: and conquer and conquer, everyone in Roman society was prospering. 110 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: One of those rising tide raises all boats thing, think 111 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: nineteen hundred in America, right, everybody. Now, we're not all 112 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: the same, and we never will be all the same. 113 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: But everyone is benefiting from living in this free country 114 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: where money is pouring it and pouring it and pouring it 115 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: and pouring in. But slavery especially was beginning to kill 116 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: Rome from the inside out. The Roman leaders they stopped 117 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: falling in love with Rome and wanting what's best for Rome, 118 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: And as they drifted further and further away from their founding, 119 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: they started to fall in love more and more with 120 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: just each other and their bank account. And they started 121 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: to figure out, if we work together, we can make 122 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: even more money, we can gather even more power for ourselves. 123 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: And because we're pieces of crap who don't care about 124 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: the people anymore, we don't have to be burdened by 125 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: their concerns. None of this sounds familiar, does it? And 126 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: so when they won these wars, they would hoover up 127 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: gobs of slaves, gobs thousands and thousands and thousands and 128 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: thousands of slaves, and the slaves would all be purchased 129 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: by the rich guys, by the richest guys, the senators, 130 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: to everyone else. As soon as you won a war, 131 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: you would know it's slave auction time, baby, and you 132 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: would go down. I want that man, that woman, that kid, 133 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: that this, And then you go down, just like you're 134 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: at Walmart picking out toilet paper. If you're a rich guy, 135 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: you'd go down and start buying slaves. Well, what would 136 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: it happen? What would happen in a society if they 137 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: started importing people from foreign lands in math, Yes, because 138 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: they could pay them less money. Not that you, an 139 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: American citizen, would have any relation to that at all. 140 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: Do I need to mention that over the last three 141 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: and a half years, we have a net positive by 142 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: the million for jobs for immigrants and a net negative 143 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: for American citizens. They were going through this exact same 144 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: thing in Rome at the time, mass slaves coming in. 145 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: And so if you're a Roman rich guy, you own 146 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: a big plantation, you've had two hundred employees forever, Well, 147 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: that's two hundred men with families, wives, kids, They support them, 148 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: they feed them everything else. And you've had to pay 149 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: these guys to work on your plantation, grow my graves, 150 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: feed my cattle, do my this and that. And then 151 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: you show up one day and say, hey, all two 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: hundred w step on up. Yeah, you're all fired. You see, 153 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: we just won a war with Carthage, and I have 154 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: two hundred guys who will never complain about their wages. 155 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: They are slaves. Bye bye, you're all unemployed now. And 156 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: this was happening all over the place in Rome, where 157 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: middle class Romans were being smashed by the corruption of 158 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: the elites in society, by their mass import of slaves. 159 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: And here's the thing, and you can pay attention to 160 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: this in America today. When you have significant numbers of 161 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: people upset about something, there will be a response. There's 162 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: an old saying, a great saying. I believe it was 163 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: somebody who worked for Nixon if I remember right. But 164 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: there's an old great saying, and it's so true about 165 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: so many things in life. And the saying goes like this, 166 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: things that cannot go on will not go on. You 167 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: cannot have a nation full of citizens who are being 168 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: smashed by the elites in their society and think there 169 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: will never be a response. There began a political movement 170 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: in Rome. Know it, I would know it. We would 171 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: call it a populist movement. They weren't called that. They 172 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: were called popular ras though, so you know, I don't 173 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: have to use your imagination. The popular as were the populace? 174 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: Who were they? What did they want? And this is 175 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: going to come back to slah a story about Roman history. 176 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: Some done talking politics for a little while. It's too 177 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: depressing before we get to that. You know what's wild 178 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: about this time? One hundred years before Christ? Think about this, 179 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: Think how crazy this is. It's the year twenty twenty four. 180 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 2: And if I were to hand you right now a 181 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: sack of gold coins from Oxford Gold, and I put 182 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: you in a time machine and I sent you back 183 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: one hundred years before Christ, and you walked into Rome itself. 184 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: It's just you, the close on your back and a 185 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: sack of gold coins that you could get anything you wanted. 186 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: You need. Lodging, no problem, we take gold here. Food, 187 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: no problem, Services, no problem. You plug the toilet, we 188 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: can get you a plumber. Give us some gold coins. 189 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: The lasting power of precious medals tells you all you 190 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: need to know. I could give you that same sack 191 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: of coins and send you two thousand years in the future, 192 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: and you'll still have solid ground long after America is 193 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: dead and gone. That's what buying precious metals is about. 194 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: That kind of reliability. Call Oxford Gold Group and let 195 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: them send you some. They'll get it in your retirement, 196 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: they'll get some in your physical Possessiony'll mail it right 197 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: to your home. You don't need a bank vault. They're 198 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: not gold bars. Do something that will last. Eight three 199 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: three gold, all right, eight three three nine nine five gold. 200 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: We'll be back. 201 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: Miss something. There's a podcast, get it on demand wherever 202 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: podcasts are found, The Jesse Kelly Show. 203 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday. Reminding 204 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: you you can email the show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow 205 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: dot com. This is formerly a political show, but now 206 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 2: it's a history show for this hour, just because I'm 207 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: done talking about politics for an hour and we're talking 208 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: about Salah. Just gave a little background on the populist 209 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: movement in Rome at the time, so on and so forth. 210 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: So a populist movement in Rome began to rise in 211 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: case you're just now joining us, because the elites of 212 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: that society lost touch with their duty and honor, and 213 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: they begin to wipe out the middle class with the 214 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: mass import of slave labor from foreign lands. None of 215 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: that sounds familiar. It could ever happen here, right anyway, 216 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: So this POPULARI movement started to rise. Now I'm going 217 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: to pronounce the opposite party in a weird way because 218 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: I've listened to five different ways to pronounce it. Optimate 219 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 2: is how I have always pronounced it. But then I've 220 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: heard optimate opt to. You have the populace and you 221 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 2: have the optimates. I'm just going to call them optimates 222 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: to make it easy. That's not how you say it. 223 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: I'm sure who were the optimates? Well, they were the elite, 224 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: These were the senators. These were the ones who wanted 225 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: their corrupt system to remain in place. The populace. They 226 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: wanted the system blown up. The system was not treating 227 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: the people. Right now, I need to clarify something before 228 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: we get to Salah, because many of you will love Sala. 229 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: When I'm telling this story, you will hate him. Remember, 230 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: there weren't necessarily good guys and bad guys. The way 231 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: I just set up the story. I made the optimates 232 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: sound really, really bad, and they were really bad. I'm 233 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: not saying they weren't. But it's not as if the 234 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: populace were just salt of the earth people who just 235 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: wanted some bread and water. Out there. There were a 236 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: lot of dirtballs. There were a lot of powerful people 237 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: who thought they could gain more power for themselves by 238 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: playing off the anger of the people. It's an ugly situation. 239 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: Very few times in history are all the good guys 240 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: on this side and all the bad guys are on 241 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: that side. And this time is no different. All right, whatever, 242 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 2: the populists are fighting the elites. That's it. Now. That 243 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: brings us to a man named Sulah. Sallah grew up 244 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: poor and in Roman society. One of the best ways 245 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: to rise was the military. In fact, whether you were 246 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: poor or elite, you almost had to have military service 247 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: as part of your resume. I shouldn't even say almost. 248 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: I've never found an elite Roman. I'm sure they exist. 249 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: I have all kinds of experts who listened to the 250 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: show who will correct me, but I've never heard of 251 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: an elite Roman that didn't have military service. That's just 252 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: something that required at some point in time. And I 253 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: don't mean sitting in the rear with the gear A. Yeah, 254 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: I was, I was in the I was in the 255 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: I was scrambling eggs for thirty five seconds in California. 256 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: Thank me for my service. It was none of that. 257 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: It was no, no, no, no. You go strap it on 258 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: and you go stab people or get stabbed yourself. Remember 259 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: the Romans lost a third of the Senate in one 260 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: battle when Hannibal wiped them out the senators themselves. Imagine 261 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: a country like that where senators got up in, strapped 262 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: it on, and went and died with everyone else. So 263 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: military service was required, and it was a way you 264 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: could advance in society, and it was a way you 265 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: could make money, make a name for yourself. And Slah 266 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: shows promise early on. It's very obvious to everyone around 267 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: him early on that he's a capable human being. Now 268 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: pause on Sola for a moment, because we cannot tell 269 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: the story of Salah without telling a bit of the 270 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: story of a Roman that everyone should know. Everyone knows 271 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: the name Julius Caesar, and I'm a Julius Caesar fan, 272 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: but everyone should also know the name Gius Marius. Gius Marius. 273 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: He was never a dictator, so that's probably why he came. 274 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: He was one of the earlier Roman lions, but he 275 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: was one of these generals who was credited with saving Rome. 276 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: At one point in time, these gigantic Germanic tribes were 277 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: wiping out entire Roman armies, and they looked like they 278 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: were gonna wipe out Rome itself, and they probably would 279 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: have until this dude named Gius Marius raises an army 280 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: and goes up there, outnumbered and beats the crap out 281 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: of them. Rome probably only existed at this time because 282 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: of Gius Marius. Every single Roman at this time, every 283 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: Roman would have known the name Gius Marius in the 284 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: exact same way every single American knows the name George Washington. 285 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: Even the dumbest human being in this society, even Kamala 286 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: Harris knows who George Washington is. Everyone would have known 287 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: Gius Marius. He's Gias Marius. Look, you want to know 288 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: how big this guy was. Just at the end of 289 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: his life, Roman troops were sent to kill him, and 290 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: he said, are you going to strike down Gius Marius. 291 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: An assassin on orders was sent into the house where 292 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: Marius was as an all man to kill him, and 293 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: Guius Marius sits up and says, are you really gonna 294 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 2: kill gius Marius? And the guy says, man, no, I 295 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: freaking can't, and he turning he left. That's who That's 296 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: how much of a legend Gius Marius was at the time. 297 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: All right, now, there was something I'm not gonna go 298 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: into the details of this called the Jigirthean war. Don't 299 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: worry about the names, and don't ever worry about stress 300 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: about remembering the names when we go over these things. 301 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: But it was against I know you're gonna find this 302 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: shocking against a man named Jigirtha. Jagirtha was one of 303 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: these warrior kings, kind of a horseback guy in a movie. 304 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: He'd be he'd be an outlaw type and you would 305 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: like him, honestly, you would like him. He sounds like 306 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: one of these rebels, super tough, super smart, and he 307 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: squares off against the Romans. The Romans send down Guias Marius. 308 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: Because Jigurtha keeps beating up Roman generals and avoiding Roman generals. 309 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: He keeps escaping to the mountains. They can't find him 310 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: it's starting to get embarrassing for Rome, and so Rome, 311 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: as they often did, they turned to Guius Marius and 312 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: then said, hey, can you can you get an army 313 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: and go down there and handle this situation. This is embarrassing. 314 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: We need to stop this, and Guius Marius does and 315 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: he brings along with him a young officer named Lucius 316 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: Cornelius Sulla, and I will continue our story in a moment. 317 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: Before I continue that story, let's do something really quickly. 318 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: We we honored the fall and again at the beginning 319 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: of the show. I hate how often we have to 320 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: do it, but that's part of life. And you know, 321 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: we honor him on the show. We play taps for him, 322 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: we pray for him, and that stuff doesn't matter. I 323 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: won't wan to act like it doesn't. But then what happens. 324 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: What happens to the families who are left behind? That 325 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: doesn't It doesn't bring dad back, does It doesn't bring 326 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: your husband back, It doesn't fill that hole in your life. 327 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: We move on and we talk about issues and history 328 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: and other things. Tunnel to Towers is there, and they 329 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: don't move on. Tunnel to Towers. They've made it their 330 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: mission in life to help these gold star families, they're 331 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: paying off their mortgages to ease that burden for them, 332 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: fallen first responder families, homeless veterans, catastrophically injured veterans. They're 333 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: building them smart homes. You're eleven dollars a month. That's 334 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: where it goes. And go look up Tunnel to Towers. 335 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: When you give to Tunnel to Towers, it goes where 336 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: you want it to go. That's unheard of in the 337 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: charity world. Go to tthumber two t dot org sign 338 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: up to give eleven bucks a month t twot dot org. 339 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: We'll be back. 340 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: What's the feeling a little stocky? Follow like and subscribe 341 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: on social at Jesse kellydc. 342 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday. Don't forget. 343 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: If you miss any part of the show, you can 344 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: download it on iHeart, Spotify, I too. Uns Now we're 345 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: getting back to history. In case you're just joining us, 346 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: We're not doing politics right now. I'm talking history, and 347 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: in fact I'm just getting into the meat of it, 348 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: so it still might be Admit, I can't promise you. 349 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: I can't promise you it won't last the rest of 350 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: the show because I feel like it. Look, we had 351 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: bad primary results, the inflation numbers are bad. We're debating 352 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: on CNN. I don't want to talk about that stuff 353 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: right now. So we're talking history, talking about Solah and 354 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: the Romans and who he was. All right, So the 355 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: Jigurthian War, this guy Jagirthia is given the Romans nightmares. 356 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: They they can't get their hands on him. He's so elusive. 357 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: It's one of these crafty devils. And they send the Romans, 358 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 2: send gius Marius down there to get him, and gius 359 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: Marius whatever. I won't go into the details of it, 360 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: but eventually some hot shot young officer under gius Marius 361 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: named Sullah comes up with what's basically a covert op 362 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: to pretty much go undercover, recruit an asset. It's a 363 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: cool little story and capture Jagirtha, and Sulah pulls it off. 364 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: Sala actually manages to capture Jagutha, like I said, a 365 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: very very capable man. But Sala wasn't in charge. Let's 366 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: pause on this for a moment. There's something about military 367 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 2: things that we should always keep in mind, especially as 368 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: we read history, both our history, American history, world history, whatever. 369 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: The history may be. So often, pretty much every single time, 370 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: when you discuss a battle, we discuss the commander of 371 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: each side, and we say something like MacArthur fought this 372 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: other general. We act as if it was their war. 373 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: And I understand why we do that. It simplifies things, 374 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 2: and he is the man in charge, therefore he's the 375 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: most important one. I understand and why we do that. 376 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: But so many times throughout history there have been generals, admirals, 377 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: whoever they may be. They didn't come up with the 378 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: genius battle plan that won them the battle on that day. 379 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: They didn't come up with this this strategy to hide 380 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: this group in ambush. So many times there was some lieutenant, 381 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 2: some sergeants, somebody underneath him and said, hey, sir, you 382 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: know what, there's some trees over there. We could hide 383 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: a couple thousand dudes in there and ambush them from 384 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: behind and win. And the general says, yeah, that sounds good, 385 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: and he stashes the troops there and they ambush him, 386 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: and they come from behind and they win. And what 387 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: does everyone say after that? Look at this genius general man. 388 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: He really outfoxed them. It's just how it goes. I'm 389 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: not even complaining about it. That's how history goes. The 390 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: guy who's in charge, they always talk about him like 391 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: he was the one who won it. We do it, 392 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: I do it. The same situation happened here to Sullah Guius. 393 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: Marius gets back to Rome after Sala's craftiness got Jagirtha. 394 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: But Sala wasn't in charge. Marius was in charge, and 395 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: Marius took all the credit for it, and the Romans 396 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: were more than happy to give Marius all the credit 397 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: for it. Well, now for a guy like Sala, that's 398 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: just it's just too much for him. So now they're 399 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 2: mortal enemies. Mortal enemies. That brings us to something that 400 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: is a horrible affair. And honestly, we could do a 401 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: totally separate history on this sometime. I'm not going to 402 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 2: do it today. Something broke out in Rome called the 403 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: Social War, the social war, and here's what it was, 404 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: and actually this is going to apply to us today too. 405 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: To be a Roman citizen, it was something in these 406 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,239 Speaker 2: times that was sought after. You wanted to be a 407 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: Roman citizen. If you were a Roman citizen, if you 408 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: were officially a citizen, then you got to participate in elections. 409 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: You gotta say you had protections, including protections when you 410 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: went abroad. That citizenship of Rome thing was almost to 411 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: get out of jail free card because no other nation 412 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: wanted to make Rome mad, and Rome would make you 413 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: pay for that. Remember that famous story in the Bible 414 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: when Paul he's sitting there getting whipped and they're yelling 415 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: at him, and he says to the guy, are you 416 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: comfortable doing this to a Roman citizen? You know I'm 417 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: a Roman citizen, right, and the guy almost poops his pants. 418 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know. Could we get in a blanket? I'm sorry, Paul. 419 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: Why you could go anywhere in the world and hold 420 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 2: up your Roman citizen card and they would know, don't 421 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 2: tangle with this guy, or you'll have a Roman army 422 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: at your door. You wanted to be a Roman citizen. Well, 423 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: Rome they had been. Remember it started out as Rome, 424 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: and then they began to conquer the Roman peninsula of 425 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: the Italian boot as you would know it today. Well, 426 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: these were separate society. It was sam Knights, and there 427 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: was whatever, all kinds of different Italian societies, not Roman 428 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 2: but Italian, and Rome began to conquer all of them. 429 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: And Rome had conquered all them by this time, and 430 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: these societies were living under Roman rule, and these societies 431 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: were forced to provide Rome with troops whenever Rome wanted them. Hey, 432 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: ten thousand of your young men tomorrow, bring them here. 433 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: But they weren't given citizenship, and they were starting to 434 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: chafe under it, and a war broke out. They wanted citizenship. 435 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the two separate parties right now, 436 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: as it comes to that. The populaces in Rome, the popularees, 437 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: they wanted these other cities to get their Roman citizenship. 438 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 2: The elites, the optimates, for lack of better way to 439 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: put it, they did not. They were dead set against it. 440 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: This war breaks out, cities rebelled all over the place. 441 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: It was a law brutally bloody affair. And unlike most 442 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: Roman affairs, it wasn't Roman armies going out and curb 443 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: stomping these things and winning every time. Because remember these 444 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: societies were trained by Romans, equipped by Romans. They were 445 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: by all accounts Romans themselves. So it was Romans squaring 446 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: off against Romans. Salah gets involved in this thing. He's 447 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 2: fighting tooth and nail in this thing, and in the 448 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: end Rome has to give citizenship to all of these citizens. 449 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: It's called the social war. It was anything but social. Okay, 450 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: Now let's talk about Mithridates, another guy throughout history who's 451 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: so fascinating. This is amazing. Mithridates is a king, He's 452 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: running a kingdom called Pontus, and Pontus they're not bending 453 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: the need to Rome like everyone else is at this time. 454 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: In fact, Mithridates he's more than just throwing shade at Rome. 455 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: He's killing Romans. He's attacking Romans. Rome's not going to 456 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: stand for this. Sala This is about eighty eight BC. 457 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: Sala Is made console, he's made president, and sala Is 458 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 2: so well regarded militarily at this time that eventually, with 459 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: this Mithridates thing, they decide they're going to put Salah 460 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: in charge of the army that will go and defeat Mithridates. 461 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: Now pause. We have a tendency when we hear things 462 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: like this to think about this, like we put our 463 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 2: modern shoes on when we think about this. So if 464 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: it was me getting called up into the Marines to 465 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: go fight in Afghanistan, you would probably think and I 466 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: would think, oh, well, that that sucks. I mean, that's horrible. 467 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: The only thing worse than the food is to pay 468 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: and the fact you might get shot in the face. 469 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to go. I don't want 470 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: to fight anymore. My fighting days are done. I'm forty 471 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: two now, I got a back brace on. I don't 472 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: want to do that. But that's how we looked at it. 473 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: For generals and their troops back then, warfare was not 474 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: something they shied away from in Rome because of the 475 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: insane money that would come into your coffers when you 476 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: fought a war. If you were a Roman, just a 477 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 2: Roman regular troop or a Roman general, you wanted to 478 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: go fight a war, and you wanted to go fight 479 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: a big one. Yeah, you might die, but if you didn't, 480 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: at the end of it, you were crazy rich because 481 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: you were allowed to loot, and the Roman generals would 482 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: pay off their troops with slaves and money. You wanted it, 483 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: and the Romans decided Slah gets to go fight this Ah. 484 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: But then guyas Marius steps in and I'll tell you 485 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: that story. I'll try to finish this up next, no promises, 486 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: I might not. I ain't worried about it. Now. What 487 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: the Romans did was they had to send men to 488 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: go tell Slah the news that must be frustrating. I 489 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: bet those men the entire way we're sitting there thinking 490 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: to themselves, if only I had a pure Talk phone. 491 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: What Chris, pure Talk is on this grete five G network. 492 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: I don't want to have to ride all this way. 493 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: It's hot, I'm thirsty. I know the call won't get dropped. 494 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: In fact, I can just text him because pure Talk's 495 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: on the same five G network as the big guys. 496 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: Pure Talk also doesn't fund blatant open communism like the 497 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: big guys do. Why do you have AT and T, 498 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: Verizon T Mobile? 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I'm not totally 509 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: sure I'm gonna get this whole thing wrapped up in 510 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: the next ten minutes, so it may bleed over into 511 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: hour three and that's just too bad. If you're listening 512 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: to the show, you love it. You want to send 513 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: us love, hey, death threats, ask doctor Jesse questions for Friday. 514 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 2: You can email us anything you want. They're always welcome 515 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: Jesse at jesse kellyshow dot com. All right, all right, now, 516 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 2: I'm not going to cover everything I've already covered. Just 517 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: know that we're doing a history story about Lucius Cornelia 518 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: Sulla and sala Is about to get command of a fighting, 519 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: a fighting force, a Roman fighting force. Who's going to 520 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: go fight this guy Mithridates, Mithridates of Pontus. But Gius 521 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: Marius is still around, and remember him and Solah they're 522 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 2: mortal enemies, and Gius Marius is a populist, Mithridates is 523 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: one of the elites. They are against each other in 524 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: every possible way. Sullah he wants this military command. He 525 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: wants it badly. Of course, he would want it really, 526 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: really badly. It would be lucrative for his reputation, for 527 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: his bank account. His men want it really badly. Salah 528 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: has already found out he's going to get it. He's 529 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: already told his men. They are all excited about it. 530 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: This is a good thing. But gius Marius is back 531 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: in Rome and he's politicking. And gius Marius twists enough arms, 532 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: pours enough honey into enough ears that he gets the 533 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: command of the Salah expedition and the Mithridates expedition. I 534 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: should say, he gets it taken away from Salah. This 535 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: is Salah's hour of glory, where he gets to command 536 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: and army and go conquer somebody. They send men to 537 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: Sala's camp to inform him that he has his command 538 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: now revoked. Hey, Salah, too bad, so sad you're no 539 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: longer allowed to lead the Mithridates campaign. Well, you want 540 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: to know how well that was received. Salah's men took 541 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: the messengers and stoned them to death. And then Salah 542 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: rallies his men and says, well, men, they want to 543 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: take this away from us. We can either let them, 544 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: or we can march on Rome and make them make 545 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: them do what we want. Now. I need to pause 546 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: right now because there are a couple of things I 547 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: need to say that we've kind of glossed over. You know, 548 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: I told you the populace were rising and there was 549 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: this populist movement rising, and how people, when there's enough 550 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 2: people angry about something, that will eventually start to get reforms. 551 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: There were a bunch of populous reforms that had already 552 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: been put into place, that were being put into place 553 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: to try to calm down the anger of the people, 554 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: to soothe their anger, tell them they're going to have 555 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: more reputation, the elites aren't going to be quite as evil. 556 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: So these reforms had already gone into place, all right, 557 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: So there's that. There's also this little thing Rome. Rome 558 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: didn't have a barracks with an army in it. That's 559 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: how I would picture it. Maybe you're different, but whenever 560 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: I picture a powerful ancient city, I always pictured well, 561 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 2: surely they've got an army laying around, right. That was 562 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: way against the law in Rome. You were not allowed 563 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: to have an army within the Rome when borders at all, 564 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: that is not allowed. Well, Salah gets his men rallied 565 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: up and he says to them, fellas, let's go to Rome. 566 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: And his men say absolutely, let's go to Rome. And 567 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: Sala marches on Rome. Now you know how I said, 568 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: Marius was there. He was the one who got Sala's 569 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: command taken away. When they all found out Sala was 570 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: marching on Rome, they freaked out. That had never been 571 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: done before. Wait a minute, he's what he is? 572 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: That mad? 573 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: He's coming here. What do we have? Do we have 574 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: anything that can fight him? Wait, we don't even have 575 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: an army. So Marius fled. Salah marches into Rome. He 576 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 2: marches into Rome with his army and he begins to 577 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: do some reforms. What kind of reforms. Well, he's cleaning 578 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: up a lot of this populos. Scrap a little thing here, 579 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 2: little thing there. He goes and tweaked some things, and 580 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: then he tells him, Okay, I'm glad I got you 581 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: all straightened out. If it's okay with you, I'm gonna 582 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: go on my military campaign now, and I'm gonna go 583 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 2: fight anyone else. How many complaints about that, and as 584 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 2: you can imagine, all the Romans were all sounds good, 585 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: say Salah, I just want to make sure you guys 586 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 2: have everything you need your Do you have your emergency 587 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: three month food kit from my patriots supply? 588 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: Yet? 589 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: What, Chris, I didn't add that into the story. That's 590 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 2: probably what they said. I mean, I'm not sure if 591 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: my patriots Supply was around one hundred years before Christ. 592 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: But they're such a great company, I assume so they have, 593 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 2: after all, helped millions of Americans already get prepared with food, 594 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: emergency food. How much non perishable food do you have 595 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: in your home? Does everyone in your home have the 596 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: ability to eat for three months if things go bad? 597 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: And things do go bad, gosh. I talked to Victor 598 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: Davis Hanson today. He wrote this new book, and I 599 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: mean there was Look, you need emergency food, Okay, everyone does. 600 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: My Patriots Supply has their three month emergency food kits 601 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars off with free shipping. Right now, when 602 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: you go to prepare with Jesse Kelly dot com. Prepare 603 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 2: with Jesse Kelly dot com. That's where you go get 604 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 2: your emergency three month food kit. You don't have to 605 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 2: go crazy, you don't have to get thirty years worth, 606 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 2: get three months, all right, Prepare with Jesse Kelly dot com. 607 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 2: Now back to Salah. Sla marches off to war, and 608 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: Sala is fighting his war and he's doing well. But 609 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: something happens when SLA's gone. Remember Sla marched in with 610 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: his army, got a few reforms done, and then he left, 611 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 2: he was off to war. And remember this is the 612 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: ancient world. He's not an eight hour plane ride away. 613 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: There aren't trains, there aren't automobiles. When you're marching off, 614 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 2: you're gone for a long time. As soon as Sala leaves, 615 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 2: Gius Marius comes right back into Rome and essentially takes 616 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 2: Rome over for the populace. Sala had put a bunch 617 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: of his men in place. Gius Marius starts to slaughter them. 618 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 2: He starts to kill Sala's men that were in place, 619 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: and starts to put in his populous government where he's 620 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: in charge. Now, that brings me to something that's uncomfortable 621 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: to talk about it, but we talk about it all 622 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 2: the time, especially because Joe Biden's the president. Age at 623 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: this time, Saala, he's still a man very much in 624 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 2: his thinking and fighting prime. Probably forties fifties, I could 625 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: look it up and tell you exactly, but he's very 626 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 2: much in his fighting prime. Marius is an old man 627 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: by now, and we don't know exactly what his condition was, 628 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 2: but we know from a lot of the things that 629 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: they've written down he was having things like seizures. He's look, 630 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 2: he might have had dementia, right, We don't know. He's 631 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 2: on the back end, all right. So when I say 632 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 2: Gius Marius from now on, I don't want you to 633 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 2: picture the Guius Marius that went up and took on 634 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 2: a gigantic army of Germans and defeated them all, because 635 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 2: he's Gias Marius, and he's the man. This is look 636 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 2: life happens. We get old, this is old broken down 637 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: Gius Marius, but he's not too broken down to kill 638 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 2: Sala's men. Sala, off fighting a war, of course, gets 639 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: worried about what's happening in Rome, and Sala says, oh no. 640 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 2: So Sala quickly gets with Mithridates and he makes peace 641 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 2: because Salah has a different war to fight. We will 642 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: wrap up our history story and go back to politics 643 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: next